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>>341192045
So this...
Is the power of the PS4...
Whoa...
>>341192045
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRL94zmIti0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i0TV5r0CSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXLZvsSmBIs
>birdrat seems lower poly and less expressive
>shadows were removed or severely toned down
>bloom, fog, and color grading is way worse
>significantly less particle effects(dirt as an example)
>kid sounds like a toddler instead of a kid like he sounded before
This is a disgrace, after 10 years of Sony talking about this game it's finally a reality but it doesn't look any better than what we saw back then, it looks worse. The downgrading is real.
>b-but it was prerenedered
Fact of the matter is that the PS3 could render that old footage at 720p(trailers were in 1080p) and since the PS4 will be playing it at 1080p, to make it work at 30fps they've seemingly removed some of the graphical features. The shitty hardware can't do any better.
The game looks almost identical to how it was before but without fog and shadows mainly. If it was prerendered before(it wasn't, it didn't even look amazing graphically) it's still prerendered now(it wasn't obviously).
Gameplay looks pretty shitty too.
>cinematics cutting up gameplay constantly
>too many slow motion set pieces
>linear as fuck(though we already knew this)
>>341192045
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
>muh graphics
i'll be enjoying this game and you'll be enjoying the next cinematic open world zombie shooter with super realistic graphics. something for everyone.
>>341193305
>defending downgrades of games you like
shit eater
>>341193537
it's obviously a deliberate artistic choice
>>341193305
>he's defending this
loving that sony cock?
>>341192428
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/text/birdrat%20seems%20lower%20poly%20and%20less%20expressive/
It must be sad having no life
>>341194029
Wow Op is really pathetic, must be the guy with anti-sony folder.
>>341192045
c-cute!!
>>341194160
>shitkin
>>341193767
Yeah no.
>>341194029
Spreading the word makes me have no life lol?
>>341194849
>Spreading the word = shitposting about a game I don't like
I wish copypastas were a permaban offense
Graphics whores are the worst kind of faggots, just go watch an actual movie you insufferable cunts.
Goddamn, I hate you and the influence these shit opinions actually have on game developers.
>>341192045
JUST
Seems like a PS1 game
>>341195838
You are retarded and you have terrible memory.
>The Last Guardian looked better 7 years ago than it does now
>>341192045
>the boy is cel shaded while rest of the game is photorealistc
wew lad
There was an easy fix to having a to make the kid cell shaded.
Make the kid wear a mask. Have it locked on his face. That way they don't have to render him emoting. You could make a whole point that the only reason birddog thing trusts him is because of the mask looking like a birddog face.
Then at the end of the game the kid takes the mask off and you see he's burned as fuck, which is why he wore it, but Birddog won't care.
DELETE THIS RIGHT FUCKING NOW
Dog walking simulator
>>341192428
is this copypasta going to become a thing?
fuck off.
>>341195331
I do like it. Why are you defending a downgrade?
Are you a shill?
>>341192045
Team Ico was always more about the surroundings than the faces. The game is still going to be great.
>>341192045
At least it's not a girl they call boy.
>>341199685
But the lighting in the new trailer looks fine.
>>341192045
It's motherfuckin Mowgli
This is the state of 2016 /v/.
WE
DA
>>341199802
But it's worse. So are other things.
>>341192045
well, I'll give them that it's actually coming out.
I was wrong in saying it wouldn't.
but the length of trailer shown, despite it stating an october release is...very, very concerning.
don't take this the wrong way but...don't get your hopes up too high, with the development hell it's been through, this will likely fall short of all expectations.
>>341200298
I don't see it from the gameplay I've seen of it. though I don't put things under microscopes. That copypsata is getting outdated though.
>>341200603
It's still relevant as of today's footage.
>>341200981
except tattoo boy's face looks natural unlike chart. I don't get all the yelling about his design, looks nice to me.
>>341192045
>Caring about graphics
For the players, not the memers.
>>341196998
But then you can't see his emotions when birddog dies.
Is anybody else intrigued that there's two birdogs going on in there at one point?
>>341192045
Its the art style jesus christ you shitposters have no stadards
>>341192428
I remember you from last year. You need to update your shit. Everything shows shadows and great lighting. I don't know why you insist on using year old cherrypicked material.
>>341192045
It's a smart move in my opinion. it helps for emoting.
>>341193812
Go back buy your second xbox now and play cod on it
>>341202417
I wasn't sure if that was what I really saw. It is curious.
>>341202526
The game hasn't changed visually since then, how isn't it relevent? I'm comparing entire clips, not just 'cherry picked' material
Looks like a PS2 game
KEK
>>341202742
>underage
read the rules
>>341202693
Yes you are, dipshit. The game has lighting and shadows, stay wrong.
>>341202693
You see what you want to see in the videos.
You've been at this for a year. You're pathetic.
>>341202684
There's definitely a quick shot of the boy backing away from two of those mothers. The one in the back has evil looking eyes and shit.
>>341202693
Do you really think a Team Ico game isn't going to have lighting? The people that pioneer'd bloom lighting? just go.
>>341202907
I know it does you autist, every game does.
But they were drastically downgraded.
>>341203053
>>341203316
Why are you acting like retards who can't read?Speaking of bloom, that was lowered too.
>>341203437
>But they were drastically downgraded.
No they aren't.
>>341203316
I always thought it was from cramming so much detailed architecture and draw distance in their games.
>>341203567
Yes, they are. That image is proof.
>>341203860
No, it isn't. It's cherrypicked bullshit by you.
>>341203437
A year. At least. Maybe longer. But it's been a year since I've taken notice of your behavior. That's very sad. I don't know what you have against this game, or the people who wish to play it. But whatever your motive is, It's really pitiful. An annoying as well. God, it's going to such trying to talk about this game, with you attempting to shit on the game in every thread.
>>341203860
that image is old as fuck. get something new.
>>341203965
>>341203969
>>341203998
Why can't you just discuss games? Damage control is worthless posting.
>>341195394
What's wrong anon? Don't you like your smooth as silk 23 FPS?
>shitty weaboo games
>>341203969
Or it could be fun, watching him scream and fume as people talk about their enjoyment of the game as he squawks "Shills!" and "Sonniggers" at everybody.
>>341204270
>this goalpost shift
Because you're not discussing anything, you're lying through your teeth about alleged downgrades despite the newest trailer literally looking the same as the gameplay from last year.
>>341204270
Because fuck this guy. That's why.
I'm a tired. In more ways then one. I'm a little sleepy right now, so I'm feeling a tad irritable. Also I'm tired of people, in general, targeting threads with their same fucking talking points. Time and time and time again. It's exhausting.
>literally worse graphics from the first screens from over 10 years ago for a console from the last generation
JUST
>>341204940
>literally worse graphics
Except that's wrong. They're the same as last year, which were much better than the PS3 build.
>>341204453
I'm sick of repeating myself to you. I'm not lying or anything and I posted video evidence. You guys aren't offering an argument, just shitposting.
>>341204729
You're a worthless shitposter. Not your blog either.
>>341205116
No. see>>341192428
>>341205116
Not on my PC. But compare the fur to that screen to what we just saw.
>>341205242
>it's shitposting to point out how you're wrong
No, just no.
>>341205430
>you're wrong because I say so without no proof of my claim
This is you.
>>341192428
>cinematics cutting up gameplay constantly
Except the video is just a recording, it's not gameplay jumping to cutscenes.
>too many slow motion set pieces
Again, done for the trailer. It's not going to be like in the actual game.
>linear as fuck(though we already knew this)
So? Ico and SotC were both very linear as well, not like linearity is entirely bad so long as the exploration isn't just "corridors, corridors of corridors"
>>341205847
Right back at ya. And no, your outdated picture isn't proof. Nor is your bullshit about the gameplay which we've barely seen.
>>341201340
People think Team Ico games were about super realistic graphics, despite that never being the case.
>>341206035
>Except the video is just a recording, it's not gameplay jumping to cutscenes.
It's annoying, hopefully relegated to tutorials only.
>Again, done for the trailer. It's not going to be like in the actual game.
Citation mother fucking needed.
> Ico and SotC were both very linear as well
What we have seen of Trico only shows the smallest bridges you can possibly imagine. That's real linearity that's way above Ico.
>>341206198
It's not outdated.
IT'S AN ARTSTYLE THAT ONLY SONY PLAYERS CAN TRULY APPRECIATE
Imagine being so autistic, that you become obsessed with the intensity of shadows in a game that was once considered vaporware. To the point where you must convince others of your observations. So you create a master post of sorts, save the post and the accompanying picture, and then post it in every thread. Having the same argument for weeks and weeks.
A year goes by. A YEAR. And the first thing you do at the drop of game news, is break out the old post. To have the same arguments, about shadows in a video game. To no avail.
>>341192045
Still hype for the game but literally what the fuck is this
>>341206861
Imagine being a spastic retard who cares about copypasta.
>>341206639
Let's see, Ueda literally said they wanted to show as little as possible because they don't want to spoil anything about the game. So of course we're not going to see the grander looking areas, hell, we're probably lucky they even revealed the entire setting is located in some valley after making it just look like a giant fortress.
And it's obvious they aren't doing slow-mo shit because they rarely did that in the other games beyond the little effect while slaying a colossus. It's fucking obvious whoever made the trailer was doing it for dramatic effect. How about YOU provide proof that they're all set pieces with slow motion in them?
>>341207135
It's not the copypasta, it's the person posting the copypasta, that anon is irritating as fuck.
>>341207135
Imagine being the lunkhead who tries to pretend he doesn't care, by telling you how much you shouldn't care.
>>341192045
don't you see?
Ueda spent a decade on this!
>>341207558
does the face need to be hyper realistic?
>>341193305
are seriously, completely unironically tried to insult people for liking cinematic stuff while defending Team Ico?
>>341193305
>substance over style
Amen.
>>341200345
they probably gutted the game and said fuck it like in MGSV
>>341192045
Reminder they absolutely couldn't get the game running on the ps3 and it broke the studio.
Reminder sotc could drop freeze up in high particle effect moments.
The japs never really cared to make the characters look as real as they can.
>>341207208
He also said the graphics got better and they didn't, that it wouldn't be a PS4 game, and the game has been in development hell for like 10 years.
He's not credible.
>And it's obvious they aren't doing slow-mo shit because they rarely did that in the other games beyond the little effect while slaying a colossus. It's fucking obvious whoever made the trailer was doing it for dramatic effect. How about YOU provide proof that they're all set pieces with slow motion in them?
They did use it in the other games, both of them.
What are you even trying to argue? In Trico it's used a lot more and it's annoying in my opinion.
>>341207305
>>341207419
>autistic mad kids
I've posted it 5 times apparently and I copy and paste it every time.
10 YEARS
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>>341207731
It looks like a ps3 game.
>>341192045
I mean, let's be honest here. Were any other Team Ico games really all that good?
>>341208091
No, they didn't. Ico had no slow-motion moments at all. And SotC only used them for when you struck the final blow in a colossus.
Congrats on proving you never played either of the previous games, doofus.
Oh, and the game looks like a PS4 game, it literally looks the same as last year.
Why is no one talking about that glorious soundtrack?
>>341208591
>Ico had no slow-motion moments at all
O.K.
>>341207305
Yea it's almost like we should just allow one type of person into our personal space. Fuck you faggot
>>341208590
SotC was really good, Ico was a fun little game.
>>341209678
no, we just want to bring something new to the table, not the same shit we've always seen in these threads.
>>341209507
Fine then, prove it. You claim they did, so the burden of proving it is upon you. I'll gladly wait while show me all the matrix style parts of the game.
>>341210134
O.K.
If only he had cute little horns like Ico.
>>341210316
I'll make it easy for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeI9Zc71ChA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZZ2KKCXlrs
>pre-ordered this game when it first went up for pre-order
>bought a PS3 being excited for this game and since you don't need to pay to play online
>the pre-order is later called back and cancelled
>nothing for ages
>the game is brought back out of nowhere
>but it's a PS4 exclusive now
>you have to pay to play online now
So how many times have this one game "won" Sony E3 without even being released?
Almost makes me wonder whether or not people would eat it up if they cancelled the game again only to bring it back as a launch title for the PS5.
>>341192045
>Watching the IGN panel after the conference
>They're all gushing nonstop
>Get to The Last Guardian
>One of them spurts out "But the main boy looks kind of off next to everything around him. It's kinda jarring".
>One of the Sonyponies there goes "Well maybe he's from a completely different world with a different artstyle and he fell into this world and that's why he looks so different?"
>mfw
How hard will they reach?
>>341208516
Nigga, fucking Wind Waker had better looking character models than that thing.
>>341210764
after the re-reveal last year most, with the exception of die-hard team ico fans, are approaching the game with a degree of caution. rightfully so as well; no game with as troubled a history as this game has had, manages to come out of unscathed.
the best thing that can come out this game's release is that team ico might actually make a new game.
>>341211027
post that fucking video
I think the art style of the characters are cute, as with Ico.
>>341210521
Don't even bother. The guy clearly doesn't know what he's on about. For one, details for TLG are scarce as hell beyond the few videos, which are clearly edited for the sake of drama. The only legit slow motion we even saw was the jump in the gameplay segment from last year, even then, that hardly demotes anything from the game itself.
WE WUZ
ARTSY N SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEET
I feel like you guys would of complained either way if they made the faces hyper realistic. I salute Ueda for making little whiners like you guys get assblasted over it.
>>341212390
Honestly. Long as the game is fun and doesn't run like the PS2 version of SotC, I'm fine with however it looks.
>>341192045
Need porn of him.
>>341194029
That's really pathetic, whoever that guy is
>>341213434
But he's right.
It could of been worse
>>341214474
Could -have- been worse, not could of. Alternatively, could've.
>>341192045
literally ps2 graphics
what the fuck were they thinking?
>>341214701
jesus christ
>nintendogaf talking about graphics and how much they matter
worst hypocritical cancer alive
>>341214261
No, he isn't.
>>341214781
Better than Wii U graphix haha
>>341214474
>>341214887
Cannot unsee
>>341215242
He is about the graphics.
>>341192045
I don't think anyone on here even wants to be happy or excited for anything. The trailer could melt your face off and you'd still find something to bitch about.
looks like a sequel to ico which is fine
>>341216626
Not even close. They're the same as last year's .
>>341217247That's why he's right.
>>341217623
You can't downgrade graphics if they remain exactly the same, that doesn't make any sense.
THE GRAPHICS
>>341217247
>They're the same as last year's .
Which are also worse than what they showed to begin with. Though considering it took 10 years, it's no surprise the original reveal was just a complete lie and a bunch of bullshots.
>>341192428
>n64 game has better lighting than The Last Guardian
I missed the conference, what did Sony announce and was there any cringe?
>>341218162
No, they're far better than what was first shown. The very first trailer was unpolished as hell. And no, it wasn't a lie, they weren't done making the gameplay and just polishing what they could when Sony pressed them for trailers.
>>341214474
>could of
>>341218146
It was downgraded from the PS3 version.
>>341218793
The only cringe was the speaker taking like 3 minutes to talk about the massacre in Orlando and how sad they are about it.
Other than that it was basically Sony doing a reenactment of Nintendo E3 2010 --- Game after game after game nonstop till the end. Good shit.
>>341218916
Except it wasn't. They improved the framerate considerably from what the PS3 version was going with.
>>341192045
>AMD hardware
>>341219043
The PS3 version never existed, you don't know what it ran at or what it runs at now.
We know what it looks like though -- Worse.
>>341219193
Except it did, it was just barely a game since they only had spare elements as they decided on what they wanted it to play like. And the graphics are better than what were first offered.
>>341212065
This, why do shitposter exist? Why do they just wish to create drama? Don't you have anything better to do? I read through all of it and the guy crapping on the game is a joke.
>>341214474
I didn't know they're making a new Snow Bros.
>>341219421
That's /v/ for you; full of shitposters who have nothing better to do than lie or pretend to fixate on things that aren't nearly as bad as they claim.
>ICO levels/puzzles
>SotC bosses
A man can dream.
>>341218891
ty grammar nazis.
>>341218793
Some bad decisions regarding the Crash remaster announcement and Skylanders garbage but the rest ranged from inoffensive to good.
Last Guardian gets an announce date, we know the title of Kojima's next game and some weird shit about whales and babies, Resi7 is gonna have VR support and looks like a horror game, and some other stuff I don't really care that much about.
>>341219336
>Except it did, it was just barely a game since they only had spare elements as they decided on what they wanted it to play like.
[citation needed]
Ueda said just the other day that he didn't want to port the game to PS4 and it was ready to release on PS3 before that decision.
>And the graphics are better than what were first offered.
Clearly not.
>>341219775
Kojima is making a movie and he ruined MGSV and lied to our faces about him. Disregard him.
>>341219819
How about you provide these quotes you keep making?
Also, the graphics are better, stop kidding yourself.
>>341218976
Meh since I literally live like 15 mins from where it happened I appreciated it and he did it at the start before the vidya
>>341192045
taking 10 years and making it look this bad. now that takes serious skill.
>>341220001
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/05/27/last-guardians-latest-preview-shows-us-mythical-creature-trico/
They're proven worse....
I get it, you're just shitposting.
>>341192045
You can't deny they won.
>>341218976
At least it wasn't trying to tie the game's cheerier nature to the event, compared the Second Son debut where Nate Fox moaned about being slapped in the face at a rally or something and then make it seem like SS would be all about that.
>>341192045
Lol you can tell this thing has been in serious development hell and they're just being forced to shit it out at this point
>>341220556
>you're shitposting for not agreeing with my baseless claims about the graphics being bad
Yea, no. If anyone is shitposting, it's you bucko, seeing as how all you do is just say "they're bad" with no proof.
That's what 15 years in development will do to you.
>>341198016
Well, at least he's not posting the same shitty post every five fucking minutes. You fucking fat fuck.
>>341220929
It's been less than 10, thing wasn't even being designed until at least 07, two years after SotC dropped.
>>341219775
What do we know about Kojima's game? Setting? Genre? Anything?
>>341220758
>with no proof
http://i.4cdn.org/v/1465873087983.jpg
>>341221308
One, that image is a year old.
Two, the left image is fucking blurry, like someone ripped it off from youtube.
And three, the right isn't the same fucking area, it's a whole other place where the lighting is coming in differently.
Seriously, you're so full of shit it's amazing you can type properly without gumming up your keyboard.
After 20 years in development, hopefully it will be worth the wait.
>>341221546
It's the current built.
They're both from youtube, the left is 720p and the right is 1080p.
It's exactly the same area, there's video evidence here >>341192428
>>341221281
It's gonna be fucking weird
>>341221827
Except it isn't, you can literally see different structures by the edge, the left has torches and the right has something else. Not only that, the image is from a year ago.
>>341192045
>>341192428
2009
>Holy shit this is fucking beautiful, this is one of the best looking games I've ever seen! That's it, I'm going to go and get a PS3
2015
>Well it took them long enough. Shit, looks like they downgraded it pretty bad, even though it's on Ps4 now. Still, looks pretty beautiful, team Ico has that really great 'realistic but darker shades, with super bright lights' art style that is unique and beautiful
2016
>What the fuck happened
I don't care about the graphics so much. I was a bit upset at the downgrade last year, but the complete shift in art style is just fucking bullshit. They went from their tried and true unique art style to this cel shaded shit? Fuck no.
I don't even care that a lot of the environments only got somewhat cel-shadified. It still ruined them, and the character is a fucking abomination to look at now.
Who green lit this shit?
>>341222028
They changed them, which is the point. It's -downgraded-.
Watch the videos and see for yourself.
>>341222143
The kid was always kind of celshaded but the general shading of the environment looks really shitty now so he REALLY stands out.
>>341222143
Only the kid looks a bit cel-shaded, Trico looks the same as always.
>>341192428
>Fact of the matter is that the PS3 could render that old footage at 720p
hahahahaha
>>341222318
Changing insignificant little structures is not a downgrade, moron. The visuals are the same as last year, which are better than the original PS3 build.
>>341222450
I've had enough of your ignorance.
>>341222581
It's not ignorance when the facts are right there. You're the one just regurgitating the same shit from last year that hasn't proved one fucking thing.
>>341222704
What facts....?
Here's smoke being downgraded and you can clearly see the lighting is completely downgraded as he climbs up the tail.
https://youtu.be/0i0TV5r0CSc?t=193
https://youtu.be/zXLZvsSmBIs?t=310
>birdrat seems lower poly and less expressive
>shadows were removed or severely toned down
>bloom, fog, and color grading is way worse
>significantly less particle effects(dirt as an example)
Stay BTFO :)
>>341194029
I like how people have posted one of these archive-collections of endlessly repeated shitposts for a different shitter every time. like the guy who endlessly posted the exact same webms in witcher threads for days upon days, or FFXV-kun
>>341201906
>at the end of the game the kid takes the mask off
there you go
>>341223041
The top trailer is made of various builds, they literally said they hadn't had much gameplay settled down by that point because they wanted it to play a very specific way with the boy and Trico interacting with each other. So of course they're going to experiment with the tech to see how it looks along with the environments. Even then, the smoke and lighting in the 2015 trailer are just fine, hardly "downgraded" in the least.
>btfo
Nicely, memed kiddo, nicely memed. And here I thought maybe I was talking to someone with an ounce of intelligence.
>>341223464
>just fine
Objectively less or removed is fine?
Here's some more for you but you can't offer up an argument for these.
https://youtu.be/zXLZvsSmBIs?t=106
https://youtu.be/bbhwNI8LiWs?t=69
Trico doesn't even cast shadows on his own body anymore and there shadows on the temple barely exist. The lighting looks like shit.
No smoke, shitty lighting again, Trico has no self-shadows.
https://youtu.be/zXLZvsSmBIs?t=374
https://youtu.be/bbhwNI8LiWs?t=94
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>>341223728
Except Trico is casting a shadow you fucking mongoloid, you can literally see it in the first video. And there is smoke and dust as the scaffolding fall apart, stop spouting nonsense about it not being there.
Again the "btfo" shit, great to see you can't even argue like an actual adult.
>>341223989
Not on his body nearly as much. The kid doesn't cost much of a shadow on Trico's body either.
There isn't smoke at all, do you know what smoke is? It comes from fire.
And there is significantly less dust from broken scaffolding. Literally 3 times less.
You're the child crying, I'm the adult schooling you.
>>341223728
what's with your hardon about smoke? They don't look that much different just fucking leave.
>>341224346
Then why bring up smoke since it's clearly not featured in the trailer? Even then, the particle effects are just fine, they are not downgraded in the least. Also, you have to consider the time of day in which the segment is shown, lighting isn't exactly the same at all times of the day, it varies in intensity and the way it casts shadows depending on how much light is coming from the sun or a light source like fires. Seriously man, you're nitpicking over shit that is hardly as bad as you're making it out to be. This isn't nearly the level of misdirection as say the trailers for GTA V where the PS3/360 versions were obviously enhanced beyond what those systems could do.
>>341224370
I don't care about the smoke really, I just wanted to point out what they changed and/or downgraded.
My big thing is the lighting being worse, the newest trailer doesn't look good at all because of that.
>>341224694
Because it was featured in the old trailer and removed in the new one. Why? It looked good.
>time of day
And what time of day system are you talking about? They changed the lighting for the worse, Ico games are static.
The shadows in the new build are absolutely terrible.
>>341225058
>the newest trailer doesn't look good at all
then make a video about it. make some visual points since it doesn't look that bad to me.
>>341194029
>It must be sad having no life
>posting this on 4chan
>>341225212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL2zzgW6YOo
I wasn't OP but he brought up a good point. The kid doesn't look good. And this point was good too >>341211027
I think it looks pretty bad whenever there should be shadows all over, because compared to how the game used to look it's unnatural and ugly as fuck.
>>341225058
>And what time of day system are you talking about?
it's a time of day where the sun doesn't beam as hard in certain spots. sometimes it can be clouds.
>>341214474
this looks like a normal asari's face got run through in20years.com
>>341225497
There is no time of day system and I highly doubt there are clouds. There are hardly any environment shadows in the new build and the kid and Trico cast less of them on their bodies.
A straight downgrade.
>>341225448
is that image suppose to be a point? because I see shading across the rocks.
better preorder those special editions before scalpers buy 50+ each
>>341225591
It could of just been a visual direction for the trailer. I see a lot of bloom and lighting in the new trailer. can we leave that old trailer alone now? it's old fucking news.
>>341225673
It's supposed to be a point of the game looking bad in general. That looks like a PS2 game.
>>341225990
Here is a lighting comparison.
https://youtu.be/fL2zzgW6YOo?t=54
https://youtu.be/bbhwNI8LiWs?t=17
Same room.
Why is the new room blue? Where is the pronounced sunlight and deep shadowing? It's gone. And that sucks.
The old game had way more bloom.
>>341225058
The lighting isn't worse, it's the same as before.
>>341225591
There might not be a day/night system, but it's clear just from looking that the time of day depicted in the trailers is never the same, a clear indicator that the team is experimenting with how much sunlight is appearing in the areas they showcase. And there are plenty of shadows, stop saying there aren't any all when you can literally see them in >>341225990.
>>341226250
>Why is the new room blue?
it could be that room at a different point in the game. since it showed that area before with newer gameplay from IGN and it looked fine.
When will the graphics whore leave
>>341226250
The "old game" was barely even a game, anon. If you followed the game's production, you'd know that when the very first trailer (Trico) was released (which Ueda said wasn't his intent, given the unpolished look it had), everything had a mushy look to it and many of the distant shadows just blobbed together. The proper trailer (with the game's known title) certainly improved, but it still not even close to finished. They've been experimenting over and over, largely on Trico's animations because they wanted him to look as realistic as possible, everything else wasn't as important then.
>>341226471
I've demonstrated where shadows are lacking amd I've never said there are no shadows. What's your point? Clearly they've changed it and it's consistently worse.
>>341226615
That was a rhetorical question. Why is a room blue? That's retarded, there aren't LEDs in this temple.
Link to video please.
>>341226841
You're talking about the alpha or whatever trailer, not the 2009-2010 trailers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E6AB2uma_A
Left: Ueda didn't want
Right: What the game was supposed to look like as a PS3 title. Then Sony cancelled it until the PS4 came out when he got Ueda to port it(which he didn't want). And now it looks more like the original game than the 2011 game honestly.
>>341227008
>That's retarded
there's magic and beams that comes out of trico's tail, there's a number of reasons why a room can be a different color, wait till the fucking game comes out to make the call.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG854AzOHqw&feature=youtu.be&t=65
>>341227008
They're only "lacking" because the lighting is different in each area. They aren't worse, they are just not the same because that's how lighting works. Shadows aren't something that have the same density no matter what lighting casts them, they vary greatly.
As for the room being "blue", it's probably the way the light is coming into the room. You can have bluish light depending on the structure of a room and where the light is coming from. Hell, many people often see something like "blue" when entering shady spots in rocky areas. Even then, it's hardly as blue as say the "brown" you see shooters where it's clearly some filtering effect than an effect of the environment.
>>341227295
Sony didn't cancel it, the team didn't have anything to show because they were constantly changing their minds on how they wanted the kid and Trico to interact. It's never been about the graphics, it was about nailing the animations and gameplay, which Ueda said they've only just recently achieved.
>>341227313
Cool, okay it is a different room then. Maybe they're in a dungeon.
Still though it's worse than it was, less striking
https://youtu.be/bbhwNI8LiWs?t=18
>>341227429
The examples from earlier are set outside in the exact same place under the same conditions. There's objectively less shadowing going on and the bloom isn't as interesting.
>>341227549
Yes they did. I mean you can pretend they just forgot it was supposed to come out in 2011 for years, but think about how stupid you'd be. Watch the IGN videos of Ueda talking about the game. He's not being very honest or clear.
>>341227852
Then pinpoint where he says Sony canned the game and he had it all completed 100% back in 2011, because the only things he talks about are nailing Trico's animations to be as animal-like as possible. You're the only one being stupid here making shit up when the facts have been shown in interviews since 2011; that they were constantly having troubles with getting the animations right as well as being indecisive about the fucking gameplay. And who cares if the bloom "isn't as interesting", most people hate that shit because of how overdone it is in games like Uncharted and WWHD where it's fucking unnatural looking.
>>341228134
>most people hate that shit because of how overdone it is in games
this. I feel like some of the bloom changes were a designer choice. there's still lighting in the game. just look at
>>341225990
can this thread actually have a point?
>>341228134
I can't you're right but Ueda literally just said he was upset that the game was destined to be a PS4 port when it was all ready to go on the PS3. And how he also just said they only fixed up the animations a couple of months ago proves it was cancelled over half a decade ago. Unless you think they've been fiddling with animations for six years? You a literal retard?
Team Ico practically invented bloom and they've always used it well. The lack of it makes the presentation and mystique of this game much worse than it did before.
Remember that we've wanted this game for a decade because of how it was shown to us originally. Right now you autists are ignoring that because you're idiots but I remember, and it sucks that the game has changed for the worst.
>>341228629
>Right now you autists are ignoring that
that image looks like the exact same fucking game. what the fuck do you want?
>>341228870
It doesn't though. The kid looks like this now >>341225448
And
https://youtu.be/zXLZvsSmBIs?t=106
https://youtu.be/bbhwNI8LiWs?t=69
Trico doesn't even cast shadows on his own body anymore and there shadows on the temple barely exist. The lighting looks like shit.
No smoke, shitty lighting again, Trico has no self-shadows.
https://youtu.be/zXLZvsSmBIs?t=374
https://youtu.be/bbhwNI8LiWs?t=94
>>341228629
>but Ueda literally just said he was upset that the game was destined to be a PS4 port when it was all ready to go on the PS3
No he didn't. But if you're so damn sure, fucking timestamp the moment to prove it. And it's hardly retarded to think they were busy on the game, do you even know how Team Ico operates? They literally spent four years on Ico, two on PS1 and two more on PS2. After two years of workings on the PS1, they realized shit wasn't going the way they wanted and canned the entire thing because the PS2 offered superior power to accomplish what they wanted.
Ueda is very technical about what he does, he wanted Trico to be believable and to meld well with the gameplay the player would endeavor through as the boy. Unless you can actually prove they were sitting on their hands doing NOTHING from 2011-2015, be my fucking guest.
And don't fucking kid yourself. It's only just been 7 years since the game even came into the spotlight, I fucking know because someone close to me died in that same damn year. The game hasn't taken a turn for the worst, it looks the same as always, just finally coming to fruition. You can keep moaning about nonexistent downgrades, but as far as I'm concerned, you're just bitching about minor bullshit that shouldn't be impacting your ability to enjoy another game by this team.
>>341228986
The kid looks the fucking same as before you retarded niggering shit cunt. Holy hell, you're the only one being autistic if these minor issues are really bothering you so much. Honest to god, graphics whores are the fucking worst. I'd be fucking fine if this game had been ported to PSP/Vita and looked only slightly better than SotC, because I care about the fun gameplay and creative looks of Team Ico titles, not if they're fucking powerhouses, which not a single one of them has ever been.
>>341192045
LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD
>>341228986
>there shadows on the temple barely exist
that's because the entire temple is under a shadow.
>Trico doesn't even cast shadows on his own body anymore
he still does.
>>341229332
Big whoop, the eyebrows and hair aren't all that realistic, welcome to games since fucking 2003.
>>341229489
Hell, look at that fucking tree. "Lacking shadows" my ass, that fucking tree looks shady and comfy as fuck. If they've made the environments more interactive in this game, hopefully we can chill out in the tree while Trico rests nearby.
>>341229135
Are you retarded?
https://youtu.be/w71wDbXYheM?t=264
I know exactly how Team Ico operates and how they wanted to make TLG. He says it all in this video and he's talked about it in the past.
TLG was made by them for PS3, then cancelled(delayed for a port might be a better way to put it?) then Sony lazily ported it to PS4, chopping out a lot of detail.
Remember how Ueda left Sony? Remember how the trademark expired? Remember how this is going to be a short as fuck game only lasting a couple of hours and that we've seen a sizeable chunk of it because it's so short?
The first Trico trailer is seen here and it's older than 7 years. They started a year or two after SOTC came out and they mentioned having a new game i ndevelopment in this time frame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E6AB2uma_A
So sorry. 9 years, "nearly a decade" you asshole.
>>341229316
The kid was shaded better before. You're the autist for arguing with me despite being wrong as fuck. If you don't care, why are you sperging so hard?
>>341229489
>>341229650
I posted clips of where it's lacking. What are you trying to argue?
>>341229742
>What are you trying to argue?
The game is still as beautiful as ever. they probably got rid of all the bloom for that part because when you're on that wooden area it would of been too jarring and hard to see what to see. It's a gameplay decision not a downgrade.
>>341229742
He doesn't mention anything about the game being delayed or "cancelled" at all you fucking spergaholic. The game's fucking trademark expired because NOTHING was happening with it in the years between it's official reveal and it's resurfacing. And the few interviews that were made proved they were working on it, but having troubles with both the hardware and getting things the way they wanted. As for Ueda, he only quit because he didn't want to be "that Sony guy" all his life, but stuck with this game out of artistic integrity. Seriously, you're the only fucking person sperging here because you can't prove jack shit and keep making vague as fuck implications that aren't true. Until you can actually provide concrete evidence that the game was 100% done on PS3 and ready to go, you're full of more shit than a damned constipated horse.
>>341229742
thank you for ignoring that the lighting is still on trico's feathers.
WOOOOOOP
GRAPHICS POLICE
WOOOOOOP
>character design uses simple, bright pastel colors to distinguish the protagonist from the environment
>art style is quite detailed elsewhere, full of unique set pieces
>the experience of playing the game will be, like other Team Ico games, a sublime and compelling one that uses video game mechanics to show a thoughtful, complex story as opposed to telling it
>due to the nature of Team Ico titles, revealing too much would dampen the experience
>"SHIT"
>but "IT'S OKAY WHEN IT NINTENDO DOES IT"
wow /v/ is awful tonight.
>THIS AREA DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH LIGHT. THEREFORE IT'S GOING TO BE SHIT
I fucking hate this place
>>341230298
What do you expect? People are so fucking overexposed to high-end looking games that if something doesn't meet the same standards for whatever reason, it means the fucking damn end of the universe.
>>341229984
>The game is still as beautiful as ever.
No it isn't as I've demonstrated.
>They didn't get rid of all the bloom, the shader is just less interesting. The 1:1 area we can compare with Trico climbing over a bridge is actually significantly brighter than it was in the old footage so saying that you're full of shit is an understadement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NxypyulkDE
>>341230131
>spergaholic
I explained my train of thought so clearly you're so mad you can't even comprehend a short sentence.
>Remember how Ueda left Sony? Remember how the trademark expired? Remember how this is going to be a short as fuck game only lasting a couple of hours and that we've seen a sizeable chunk of it because it's so short?
Again, "delayed for a PS4 port" might be a better way to put it.
Clearly Ueda didn't get along with Sony because they wouldn't let him release his game. The team planned to make the game quickly... and here we are 9 years later. What happened? Sony happened.
>Until you can actually provide concrete evidence that the game was 100% done on PS3
He said as much and I linked you to the exact second in the video. I'm sorry you have no reading comprehension.
>>341230141
What?
>>341206637
They barely look cartoony, can't blame people for thinking realistic.
>>341229984
>It's a gameplay decision not a downgrade.
Just like Witcher 3, DS2, Watch_Dogs, MGSV etc etc?
>>341230298
>character design uses simple, bright pastel colors to distinguish the protagonist from the environment
That's fine but they removed the shaders around it so now the character no longer meshes in with the world while still being distinct.
>>341230409
And I didn't say the game will suck, stop being a sperg.
>>341230479
Yet here I am, comparing a PS4 to a PS3 game and preferring the PS3 version. Where are the high-end games?
>>341230409
Welcome to /v/, newfriend, enjoy your stay!
Or leave, if it pisses you off so much. /v/ has never been good, it's just gone through stages of shit where X is acceptable and then it no longer is.
Rage Comics, emoticons, "EPIC FOR THE WIN!" and crap like that used to be common place, until memetic warfare made them not.
>>341230651
yes, since it's only this area that changed.
>>341230485
Except he didn't, retard. He talks about the animation and trying to make Trico move realistically. Sorry, but that doesn't translate to "Sony held my game hostage for nearly 10 years, even though it was only revealed 7 years ago when I had finally gotten to a point I could show something worthwhile."
Seriously, prove he actually says something about Sony or fuck right off. Don't give me this "you mad?" crap, nor try to shit talk my reading capabilities. Because unlike you, I pay attention to the interviews and videos, and nothing has once implied Sony was holding the game off for PS4, especially since the system is now fucking THREE years old, which seems like an odd point to release an allegedly finished game when the system itself will probably be seeing it's successor before 2019.
>>341230835
You didn't even watch the video I linked. You're so autistic.
>>341230664
You're comparing a game that wasn't anywhere close to complete in any sense of the word to something that was finally on the fast track to completion a year ago.
>>341230961
I did, and nowhere does he mention Sony, idiot. He talks about the animation, and how the boy and Trico play off of each both in the story and through the gameplay. You're the only fucking autistic one because you insist on this nonexistent confession of Ueda's.
>>341230961
why do you keep posting screenshots that were no where near the actual gameplay?
>>341231102
BECAUSE HE IS RIGHT AND WE ARE WRONG
SO WRONG WE MUST CAST OURSELVES OFF THE ROOFS OF OUR HOMES!
>>341231067
You literally didn't. You're so fucking mad you can't even read a post from minutes ago.
>>341230969
It was complete.
>>341231102
That's from a gameplay demonstration, what are you talking about?
Oh boy, the game that everyone was interested in 5-6 years ago will finally be released...yay
Sony downgraded it.
Thanks Sony.
>>341231223
>That's from a gameplay demonstration, what are you talking about?
it isn't actual gameplay. it was rendered without any inputs. it could of just been a cgi dreamworks movie instead.
>>341231223
As said, that doesn't prove Sony held the game hostage you thundering cunt. The difficulties were in nailing the animations and making the gameplay work.
>>341192045
Another PS1 remaster?
>>341230664
>That's fine but they removed the shaders around it so now the character no longer meshes in with the world while still being distinct.
>they changed it so it sucks
aaand you're sperging, it looks fine
>>341231404
It was some beta demonstration for the press or something. What's your point? I'm just posting on-topic screenshots, the actual trailers look better than these.
>>341231427
As said, I've explained how they did and you keep ignoring it. Now that you realize I did post the video you're going to just slink back in damage control and repeat yourself, aren't you?
I'm more bothered by those tattoos, they just look like shit.
>>341231620
this really. it doesn't look exactly the way it was shown in a form that wasn't playable so it makes this anon mad.
>>341231650
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SHADING ON THAT COLOSSUS'S FUR.
FUCKING HORRIBLE
0/10
>>341231650
They didn't. They only shifted it to PS4 because the hardware was coming out and the game still wasn't ready. You act as though they scrapped the entire game when they didn't, they jumped to better hardware which has helped them. Ueda even says this.
>>341231650
so the new version of the last guardian didn't put a brown filter over the game? Good.
>>341204270
>>341205242
>Trying to reason and be logical with /v/ neckbeards and autist
BAKA baka senpai
>>341231650
>It was some beta demonstration for the press or something. What's your point?
my point is of course it's going to have the most bells and whistles since it was just rendering 1 area. A game can't have all the details it wants when it has an entire game to process. but from the new trailer, the game looks fucking fantastic.
>>341231620
>>341231684
>>341231772
Why are you so triggered?
>>341231828
So according to you they've been sitting in a room for lets see five years porting a game and fiddling with a couple of animations?
They didn't scrap it, Sony held it until now. Ueda literally says that the game wasn't in active development for years, despite them making the game very quickly and having it ready for a PS3 launch. Not to mention the other things I said backing up that the game has just been sitting around while Sony didn't bother attending to it.
Ueda said that just like every developer says that. Sony suggests them to it. Evidence is against them. Not porting a game is easier than porting it. The game was downgraded so what exactly did better hardware help them with?
>>341232207
shit son what am I doing
>>341232275
He says that development stopped for a little while, which was when BluePoint was porting Ico and SotC. He never says the game was halted for any excessive amount of time. Furthermore, he mentions that the development has been tricky for many reasons from the hardware and getting the animations and gameplay to the level of quality he wanted. The game wasn't downgraded, no matter how much nitpicking you fucking do.
>>341196530
>photorealistc
Wow.
>>341232275
the game looks the same as it did in the previous trailers. it just doesn't have a brown filter over them for a cinematic look like at >>341231650
>>341232273
>the game looks fucking fantastic.
I don't agree with you. When I watch these in order I only feel contempt for the game that's about to be released.
https://youtu.be/0i0TV5r0CSc
https://youtu.be/bbhwNI8LiWs
https://youtu.be/fL2zzgW6YOo
The lighting that took a hit makes this seem like a rushed port instead a tenderly crafted Team Ico game. It's brighter and has less realistic shadows and the imaginative color grading is nowhere to be seen.
>>341232501
That's not true.
And removing mood filled filters is a bad thing. If you disagree with that, emulate Ico because that's right up your alley. It looks dead compared to the PS2 version.
>>341192045
>>341194029
What a pathetic fucking loser
>>341200298
>grrr stop being happy!
fuck off
>>341232659
>I don't agree with you
Then leave it at that. You're not going to agree with others who say it looks the same/just fine, and they aren't going to see the problems you claim are there. So why not just drop it already and let people enjoy the fact that the game is finally coming out?
>>341232659
>mood filled filters
lmao. putting a colored frame over a frame just to get a "mood" means you aren't doing your job right for creating a good setting. just look at modern horror films that always use that blue filter.
>>341232837
>i'm ignorant, stop having an opinion and proving me wrong!
you first
>>341232872
Why did you bother arguing with me if you were clearly wrong(I've posted evidence) and just had an opinion? You tell me to leave it at this, well you should have said it was your uneducated opinion to begin with.
You dumb fuck :)
>>341232935
>lmao. putting a colored frame over a frame just to get a "mood" means you aren't doing your job right for creating a good setting. just look at modern horror films that always use that blue filter.
>lighting and framing isn't important for creating a mood
Oh I guess the film and acting industries in general have had it wrong all these hundreds of years.
You're fucking dense aren't you?
>>341233118
>lighting and framing isn't important for creating a mood
I never mentioned anything about lighting. I was talking about putting an unnecessary color over a frame instead of creating a scene that creates that mood naturally with natural sources.
>>341233224
Filters adjust levels and tones, you know the things involved with lighting. You really are dense.
You unironically think 'filters', color grading and tonemapping as a whole, are just overlays on a screen don't you? You are beyond retarded.
>>341233118
You haven't proven anything, the game isn't downgraded. But you know what? Believe what you want, since it's clear you're not going to change your mind, just as everyone else isn't going to see what you claim is there. You're not any better for arguing when you've insulted people just as harshly for disagreeing with you.
>Uneducated
Sure, whatever you say.
>:)
Nicely memed, nicely memed...
>>341233224
You literally have been going on about the lightning not being the same as last year's, stop lying through your teeth.
>>341233387
yes. all of those things that create unnatural lighting and just camera settings are very unnecessary for a setting. it can be used well but like I said with horror films it can be overdone and stand out.
>>341232275
>rightfully stating you're full of shit
>"u triggered??"
>"here, now look at the shading of Trico's abdomen. Do you notice how it's been changed from gray #0000334 to gray #0300344? Completely unacceptable. This game is terrible."
you are literally sperging though
>>341233531
I wasn't that anon.
>>341233474
Great, you finally copped out after being wrong for so lonw. Now I can watch this thread slowly die since nobody even cares to talk about the game.
And just so you know, I have nothing against opinions as long as they're educated ones.
>>341233539
Games can't have natural lighting until we have ray tracing. We have been and will continue to use filters to portray lights, especially when we're trying to establish a mood.
You're very dumb and have no idea what you're trying to argue.
>I HATE BLUE IN MOVIES
Okay.
>>341233607
>can't prove anything I've said wrong
>you don't even try and just post like you're upset
You're full of shit and just keep on shitposting. Why are you so triggered?
>>341233387
why are you insulting people when it's just misunderstanding. you really are a douche that gets over obsessive of video games.
>>341233802
I didn't "cop out" at all, but fine, believe what you want you delusional cunt.
>>341233824
Because this is /v/ and I'm not a toddler teacher.
>>341233802
>Games can't have natural lighting until we have ray tracing. We have been and will continue to use filters to portray lights, especially when we're trying to establish a mood.
all I'm saying is it can be overdone. that image with The Last Guardian had way too much brown and it just became overbearing and noticeable. I'm not saying that people shouldn't use filters, is that filters can be used to a degree that makes it annoying, like in yes, horror films.
>>341233802
>can't prove anything I've said wrong
Except people have. The area seen in the image up top isn't the same exact place. The lighting is different, but because it's not the same "time of day" being depicted. As for the shadow, many of the images YOU posted have shown dynamic shadows, you're practically defeating yourself by saying things are downgraded when they clearly haven't.
>>341234001
>this is /v/ so we gotta be uncessary assholes
nah
>>341233802
>I'm not sperging, it's the rest of the world. Mom, these idiots on the internet don't understand my educated critiques of umbral lighting. Geniuses are lonely I guess.
If anything I'm glad they are showing the bad looking graphics as opposed to some studio rendered "real in game footage". the game should be fine even with bad graphics. maybe they should have gone for more cartoonish style but the art direction looks consistent enough with previous works.
The background, which is 90% of what you will look at since the camera will zoom out a lot most of the time (you have a giant griffin in screen), looks good enough.
try not to jerk off anon
>>341233948
Yes you did.
>>341234016
Which image? I don't recall any having brown in them.
I agree with you 100% about filters being overdone, just look at the Battlefield 3 render pipeline image or how they fuck up Resident Evil games with filters where they aren't needed. But this game did them well, and now the game is brighter with less shadowing and the typical Team Ico filters have been removed.
>>341234108
It's the exact same place with the exact same time of day using the same animation too.
https://youtu.be/zXLZvsSmBIs?t=374
https://youtu.be/bbhwNI8LiWs?t=94
There are objectively less shadows in the new version of the game in every scene we can compare.
Where did I get proven wrong again?
>>341234259
Go back to neogaf.
>>341234401
>Which image?
I was referring to >>341231650
>>341192045
You need to make some sacrifice to have such high-quality animations on consoles.
>>341234401
>Go back to X we tough guys that say tough guy things to each other!
wow you sound so cool
>>341234541
That'sgreen.And it's a poorly compressed image of >>341227295
https://youtu.be/0i0TV5r0CSc?t=148
Definitely green.
>>341234582
Team Ico's animations are amazing, I wish every dev cared about them as much.
>>341234401
>Yes you did.
Except I didn't. Nothing of my post implied I was copping out.
As for the location, it's not the same. You can't even prove it is beyond "ledge with nowhere to go but back through the doorway". You're seriously picking needles here trying to make it look like the game has been downgraded when the ledge/balcony doesn't have all the same structures. It was even pointed out that the torches aren't there but something else.
>>341234373
The screw lurking this thread has ignored every valid gameplay concern that might give some assurance to the quality of the game. Making graphical adjustments to a game that hasn't been released is, to him, the most fatal of flaws.
>>341234867
Especially for a game that wasn't even ever ready until just recently.
>>341234672
>That's green. And it's a poorly compressed image of
I just think that the use of it as also in the early trailers is too much for actual gameplay purposes, which is my opinion so lets just leave it at that.
>>341234689
>Except I didn't. Nothing of my post implied I was copping out.
Anon just stop.
> it's not the same.
So the area Trico jumps to after the exact same bridge collapses... isn't the same. Clearly the torches were removed but the rest is almost identical, isn't it?
Irregardless to this though.... I posted that image to demonstrate environmental and self-casted shadows which are removed in the new version. I don't care at all if the architecture was changed.
Wait, where's your argument again?
>>341234672
I think it accentuated the fact these ruins are old. Like take a look at how it's green here for no logical reason.
https://youtu.be/0i0TV5r0CSc?t=139
>>341204729
goddamn you sound like an autistic bitch
>>341235074
>irregardless
i still dont understand why anyone would be excited for this game. NOTHING they have shown of it looked appealing in any way.
>>341235074
Because they don't show the same area in the 2010 trailer that is shown in the 2015. The trailer is jumping from all sorts of different scenes, many of which don't play out 1:1 the same. For one, the 2010 trailer shows Trico walking to the ledge, wherein the 2015 one he clambers up to it from a platform below. It stands to reason that it might not be the same area. Until we get the game, there could be areas similar to one another, it is going back to a structured level design like Ico's after all, and the castle had its share of identical locations.
the game looks like a ps3 game and it's going to be linear and cinematic. it would have been great 10 years ago but it's releasing after a million games have done that and a lot of people are sick of it. I've been waiting for this game since sotc, but I'm not very hype. I'll still buy it tho
>>341235189
No more than the guy who claims anyone who doesn't agree with him must be "uneducated" despite the fact that differing opinions does not indicate a lack of knowledge.
This is the bitterest I've ever seen /v/.group hug?
>>341235532
fuck u
>>341235363
Have you plated Ico or SOTC? They're good games.
>>341235380
Yes they do though. They added more to the bridge but it's the same L shaped temple with an L shape wooden bridge. The temple is exactly the same and the scenes are both from very early on in the game according to all of the trailers.
Trico wakes up, runs through the hallway, exits temple, and here's our bridge.
>>341235467
You still haven't gone to bed? He's right about you, you know.
>>341235619
>>341235532
I don't even understand why I have people arguing with me to this extent.
>>341218636
Conker needed the Expansion Pak didn't it
>>341235652
Except it's not. Dude, just stop. The 2010 trailer shows all kinds of rooms, many of which might have been pruned or entirely remade since. You can't prove it the very same area beyond "collapsing structure and Trico fleeing form it". Again, there could very well be many areas like it considering the game is set within some kind of fortress/city, which usually have a lot of similar architecture in areas, usually ones used for transitioning between wide gaps. Nothing proves the ledge is exactly the same one seen 6 years ago as the one seen last year beyond some minor similarities. Even then, that shouldn't matter as the game still looks amazing.
>>341235652
>rooms
We're talking about http://i.4cdn.org/v/1465873087983.jpg
The temple model is exactly the same, there's nothing to prove. Less shadows objectively.
What are you arguing?
>>341236229
The area is the same dude, like that guy said Trico runs out and hops on the bridge then climbs up to that alcove or whatever you want to call it. The kid even pushes the same thing on wheels.
>>341236435
What temple? We don't even know when or where this area comes into play. Even then, you can literally see a structure to the left of the entrance (Trico's right), which isn't there at all in the left image from 2010. Just because the area looks somewhat the same doesn't mean it must be EXACT same place. Furthermore, the visuals hardly look downgraded. And really, the shitty mspaint "lol" doesn't help matters at all for this so-called argument.
>>341236697
>u can literally see a structure to the left of the entrance (Trico's right),
You can't see that in the 2010 because there are shadows covering it.
My exact point. The lighting(shadowing particularly) is worse. That's what I've been saying and have proven to you.
does that extra bloom really make much of a difference? the game still looks really fun and I doubt some areas that don't have bloom won't ruin it.
>>341236916
No, the structure isn't there, or it was moved closer. Even then, the lighting is just fine.
>>341236974
It does make a difference of course especially to people like me who will notice it, Trico is less feathery now too, compare your webm to this part https://youtu.be/0i0TV5r0CSc?t=197
I really hate spending $60 or more on games that don't even care about their artistic integrity. And for a short as fuck Team Ico game I would expect it to live up to the team's reputation.
This doesn't.
>>341237102
It is there. There are just no deep shadows. The lighting was gutted, it's garbage now.
>>341237220
And this is from 2015. It's okay to be wrong.
>>341237220
>it's garbage now
Says you, and just you.
its gonna be worse than shadow of the colossus
maybe even worse than ico
>>341237331
>shitposting this hard
Whatever, autist. Enjoy your lighting fetish, meanwhile, the rest of us are going to enjoy this fun looking game.
>>341237350
A lighting implementation can be measured. If it's worse, you can safely call it garbage without be rebutted. Unless there are morons like you around anyway :)
>>341237417
Definitely worse than SOTC but maybe better than Ico.
>>341237426
Here's the second cop out.
>>341237331
what's the arrow indicating?
>>341237453
>cop out
You literally don't know what that means, stop using it. Then again, you said irregardless, so I guess not knowing how words or terms work isn't uncommon with you.
>>341237417
>It's gonna be worse than muh nostalgia gaems
It's not like it has a choice. Add that it's overhyped as fuck.
People will trash and praise but all in all I'm sure it's going to be an okay game.
Couldn't watch Sony last night, can anyone give a rundown of anything worthwhile they showed or was it nothing.
>>341237719
e3recap.com
>>341237719
Just a bunch of interactive movies "gameplays" and CGI trailers.
>>341198016
Doesn't look like a downgrade when it was meant for PS3 at some point. It still looks like the very first visuals to me and the Gameplay trailer we got LAST YEAR.
I don't know why you shitpost.
>>341237552
The left most area in http://i.4cdn.org/v/1465873087983.jpg that anon pretended didn't exist because the shadowing was so good.
>>341237606
That is a word. And what you're doing now is deflection after your cop out.
Will you ever grow up?
>>341237640
If it's too short or it has bugs it will be worse than Ico, otherwise it'll be great. Can't really fuck it up aside from that.
>>341237719
god of war is a tlou clone now
spiderman exclusive
tlou clone: open world biker edition this time with a worse story
vr for ffxv and resident evil 7
that's about it.
movie games basically.
I wonder if the fluffy feathers on Trico was too much to process.
>>341237861
I never said it wasn't a word. And I'm hardly deflection. How about you, when will grow out of this obsession with something that hasn't impeded the game's ability to be fun and enjoyable?
>>341238084
They're harder to render now. Before they were big but now there are more and they have better textures.
>>341237453
>you can safely call it garbage without be rebutted
there's also a thing called opinions. so yeah it can be rebutted.
>>341237861
I didn't "pretend" anything. I said it wasn't there. You can cite "heavier shadows" all you want, it doesn't change the fact it isn't there no matter how hard you squint. The game obviously changed things in the 5 years between trailers.
>>341238219
Take your medication so you can get some sleep. You're just deflecting now.
>>341238260
Measurably worse lighting isn't something you can argue against. It's a fact.
>>341238293
It is there, proved it.
>>341238084
Considering the original plan was for them to EACH be rendered individually, I can imagine that was a nightmare. Odds are, they probably went with a similar cheat like Monsters Inc. where they made "pockets" of Sully's hair behave on their own to give the illusion that every little follicle was really its own separate thing.
>>341238381
>Measurably worse lighting isn't something you can argue against. It's a fact.
what if someone doesn't think this measured lighting is worse? then it's opinion.
>>341238381
No you didn't. You prove the structuring is similar, but as I proved, the structure in the 2015 build is CLOSER. It's not more visible because of your self-proclaimed lack of shadows, it's closer than before.
>>341238381
>You're just deflecting now.
No, I'm not. Seriously though, you can keep fancying yourself some brilliant debater, but you're just a child with these insults about medication and emote symbols like this is some livejournal page.
>>341238449
The old footage had those bundles and I wouldn't be surprised if the new version has something more like what they initially aimed for. The feathers look really good now but they're a lot smaller.
>>341238471
They would be wrong. Less shadows is never better. It's unrealistic and unbelievable.
>>341238695
>They would be wrong. Less shadows is never better. It's unrealistic and unbelievable.
it's fiction. it doesn't always have to be believable. besides, there are shadows, just not around the building since the whole place is drenched in a shadow.
>>341238787
This is a video game actually. Unrealistic shadows iare unarguably worse for a game depicting any form of realism.
>>341238695
What does realism matter in a game where a kid is making friends with a catlike griffin? It's not like we're talking the downsizing seen in something like Phantom Pain where earlier "gameplay" trailers were clearly using better specs. Granted, TPP was still quite pretty looking, though that's probably the only compliment it can get considering the lack of satisfaction Kojima had previously hyped.
>>341238931
the shadows are realistic, they just aren't beaming against the building in the way that the old trailer did. The sun doesn't always beam the same way everyday. there are areas where it does do that so it isn't a downgrade, it was a choice for the gameplay I'm sure.
>>341239020
Well it looks way better. Games with good lighting are the best looking and most immersive to most.
>>341239030
>downgrade your game for gameplay
You're deluding yourself. Stop being a shit eater.
>>341237640
>muh nostalgia
nostalgia has nothing to do with game mechanics
The Last Guardian is going to be running away from enemies and puzzles. With you have to call out to the beast while being in the exact right position in whatever area you happen to be.
You will not be able to fight the enemies in this game, guaranteed.
>>341238931
Maybe they look bad in that area, but they looked just fine in others. When the boy is petting Trico as its panting, and when the other Guardian appears, the shadows are realistically casted and natural looking.
>>341239168
>downgrade your game for gameplay
it's not a downgrade, it's changing so that a light isn't beaming at you when you're trying to figure out what to do with the short puzzle of moving the log towards Trico. You can see the beaming lights in other areas of the game that I've seen so don't ignore that.
>>341239195
There's conflict with them and you can throw things. Apparently there are hostile Tricos too.
>>341239216
>just fine
It looked worse though if only slightly.
I don't get why you're in damage control, you can simply watch the trailers and see for yourself. If you don't care about it being worse, just stop posting.
>>341239290
The game is much brighter now, you see less due to the bloom.
>>341239168
Pal, did it ever occur to you that maybe you're being too blunt with your opinions? You can say it looks worse, but not every single person is going to agree, much less when you say things like they're indifference/disagreement is equivalent to "eating shit". If anything, that only justifies people insulting you back. How about we just wait until the game is out to decide instead of acting like it's prematurely dead?
>>341239370
What damage control? Man, you can see the realistic shadows in the scenes I mentioned. Saying they're fine isn't damage control, shilling, or giving up. Is it really this difficult for you to grasp that not everyone agrees with you?
>>341239371
I'm not acting like it's dead I'm just talking about the graphics.
>>341214474
>could of
legitmately more downie potato than the asari you posted
>>341239483
You can't see realistic shadows or lighting anywhere in the new footage.. There's apparently a drastically downgraded HDR shader in the new game, that isn't even remotely realistic.
>>341239370
>The game is much brighter now, you see less due to the bloom.
is there an example of the gameplay not showing you more?
>>341239549
it's not even that big of a grammar mistake. calm down.
>>341222143
Looks more like no shading to me than cel shading
>>341239632
Here. It's brighter in general and the bloom is overblown instead of artistic and immersive.
>>341239703
It's weird because he's not celshaded but he does have shading, just not the proper kind.
>>341239623
The shading. looks. fine.
>>341239623
Except you can in the spots I mentioned, where the boy is comforting Trico and when the second of his kind appears. They shadows are there just as they were in previous videos. You can say there's a downgrade, but until someone steps forward and give credence to this, it just means they changed the lighting in some areas. Calling it a downgrade is highly subjective, if anything.
>>341239754
Shadow of the Colossus did that overblown bloom too and no one complained about that. you move towards it and your characters eyes adjust to the sun. I don't see anything ruining your vision of your surroundings.
>>341239754
Looks pretty immersive to me, sempai. You do know immersion is not singular to all people, it depends from person to person.
>>341239754
that area ahead looks cool and exciting. I want to go towards the white.
>>341239793
>in spots
Right, it's missing the rest. Because it was downgraded. If there was old footage of these newly shown areas the old footage would look better. The new system was gutted.
>>341239772
But that isn't fine, it's worse than it was.
>>341239874
It wasn't this bad and the bloom the game had prior to the PS4 port was great.
>>341239879
As I said earlier, "Games with good lighting are the best looking and most immersive to most."
It would be even MORE immersive to you if it was better, imagine that huh kohai.
>>341239957
I want to know what the boy is holding. Looks like a lid being used like a shield. Are we going to open the barrels and give the food inside instead of making Trico chow on them whole like some cartoon dog?
>>341239992
>The new system was gutted.
You can keep saying this, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily true.
>>341239992
>But that isn't fine, it's worse than it was.
That's opinion. and obviously no one is going to agree that the game looks worse. just leave these threads and never come back.
>>341240095
Downgrading the HDR and the amount of shadows your lights are rendering is gutting your lighting. Objectively.
>>341240179
Stay wrong kid.
>>341236974
Comparison of feathers and the environment.
I don't care about shadows or whatever but the kid looks like one of the midgets from FFX!V, eyebrows and all
>even idolshit looks better than this and runs at 60FPS to boot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVEZybYNAkQ
What went wrong?
>>341240297
Until Ueda or Sony says so, you can't prove they downgraded anything or gutted it.
>>341240430
>I'm a braindead drone.
Thank you for your input. Have you subscribed to PSN yet or do I need to give you a spanking?
>12 months of progress
>ugly cartoon filter
Amazing
>>341240297
I don't get what this webm is suppose to be pointing out that's different. is it because there is a light source in the corner?
>>341240504
>drone
Whew boy, and here I thought you were someone reasonable. So just because I'm not agreeing with your claims of them gutting the game, I must be working for Sony? Is this your first day on /v/?
>>341240297
that could be a different area in the game in the webm. the game was just about complete when that trailer was released anyway.
>>341240425
no it doesn't. the background looks generic as fuck. at least Team Ico games have their own creative worlds.
>>341192045
why is modern hair texture so shitty, I swear all short spikey hair look like the JUST meme. it was the same with scalebound too. And that batman remake. It's clearly the hair engine
>>341240610
>>341240749
It's just to show the size of feathers was changed.
>>341240640
If you can't think for yourself and require some nobodies to do affirm clearly evident things, you're a brain dead drone.
>>341240297
>Stay wrong kid.
you can't be wrong about opinions.
>>341240986
>It's just to show the size of feathers was changed.
the feathers look good either way. They still move in the wind which is really cool.
>>341240860
The world of SoC was cool but I saw nothing original in Last Guardian so far. Just some generic ruins.
>>341240986
I can clearly think for myself, and I don't see any of the issues you claim are there. So yea, I'm not braindead, I'm just in possession of a different opinion. You, however, are an asshole who thinks only they and they alone are right. You're a sad piece of shit who can't handle people disagreeing with you so you lash out and try to cast them down beneath you. Enjoy being a cunt, alone with your unfounded claims.
>inb4 "Cop out"/"Deflection"/"Your Sony account has acquired $3
Seriously, the only kid here is you with these weak ass tactics.
>>341241059
Yeah I liked them being big though, it made the thing look more alive.
That webm honestly looks pretty bad with it being all skinny and rat-like instead of like a bird.
>>341241235
I hope the underwater area is done well.
>>341241279
>ad hominem
>and he's still deflecting after I BTFO of him
Salt now.
>>341241281
Well Trico is clearly meant to be the odd one out. Either he's a runt, or being "trained" to become something like the more aggressive guardian we see bearing down on the boy. Could be part of a routine, they capture the griffins and break them in by starving them and chaining them up so whatever will is broken.
>>341241449
Sounds about right. I thought earlier that maybe he grows but they probably just changed the design of his model.
I personally think it's worse but it's still okay. I really don't like those other guardian's eyes though.
>>341241281
I like the closed feathers too though since it reminds me of my cat. so either way it's nice to me. I don't see a problem with the boy, I don't see an issue with lighting or shading or any of that shit that you people are obsessing over. The game looks good and I can't wait to play it.
>>341241639
Yeah well you're gay and I bet your cat is ugly and annoying.
>>341241784
>it's come down to pointless name calling
cool. I'm glad you get defensive when people are eager to play video games.
Next time we have a Guardian thread. can we not talk about lighting and shading?
>>341242358
There is nothing else to talk about honestly. These threads always die fast.
>>341242439
goddamnit. Then I guess there isn't a point to go to one of these threads until the game is released and I have played it all the way through.
>>341195394
The same people who'll bitch endlessly about 'Muh glory days' and defend the fact that most of their favourite games have aged like shit. Either we get more golden masterpieces, or Skyrim remasters. Your choice.
Knowing Team Ico, I have no doubt they will make something that will be special to me.
>>341194029
kek what a loser
>>341192045
It's not a game about graphics you shit heel idiots. Ico and Colossus are known for abusing bloom to hide how barren they are. I'll admit the main character looks shittier than ever, but it's the studio ghibli touch. Shit looks basic but expressive.
>>341244958
> Ico and Colossus are known for abusing bloom to hide how barren they are.
nigger at least play them
>>341245335
I bought them both on european release dates you stupid fuck. At least counter my argument or get the fuck out.
>>341245493
the games aren't barren and bloom doesn't hide anything but the sky.
>it's ok when japanese devs downgrade
About all I'm getting from this thread.
>>341246123
I just wanna enjoy video games.
Game seems likely to such donkey balls
