When he's nerfed, who's going to take care of all the double-Roadhog teams?
That's right. No one. You'll be crying about the all tank teams in no time.
>>341135734
> roadhog
No, anon. Mei is going to be the true terror.
>>341135734
>who's going to take care of all the double-Roadhog teams
In theory, Junkrat
>>341135734
>he fell for the overwatch meme
>>341136251
>He fell for the shitty he fell for x meme
i dunno maybe widowmaker? hanzo? bastion? reaper? etc? maybe literally any capable player with a proper counter? mccree nerf wasnt necessary, but i guess its not unwelcome.
>>341135734
Reaper, like how he kills all tanks right now
Ive had no problem with them without anyone on my team using mcree especially since they just feed our team ultimates
Reaper or Tracer. They melt tanks.
>>341136437
It really was needed mcree is a counter to nearly everyone right now
>>341136251
>he fell for the hornace meme
>>341135734
You mean Soldier 76, Mei, Widowmaker, Tiorgbjorn, and Bastion?
here's how you deal with roadhog, shoot him
he has no shield abilities so you can just shoot him till he dies
Zenyatta
Discord Orb enjoy you 50% increase to incoming damage.
>>341135734
Let's see:
Reaper
Mei
Zenyatta
D.Va
Zarya
I think we're good senpai
>>341135734
reaper can rip roadhog a new one retard
>>341135734
Double D.vas. D.Va beats roadhog 1v1 and is by no means a difficult hero to deal with.
Fully charged Zarya melts him.
>>341135890
This. McCree is the only thing guarding against far worse horrors. You'll still have reaper as a tank buster but he is so easily destroyed.
>>341135890
>Mei
Pharah, Widow, Tracer, Hanzo, Lucio, Junkrat and anyone else who can deal consistent damage at range are perfectly capable of dealing with Mei.
tanks are useless from more than 5 feet away. How bad are you?
>>341136894
I'm not even sure. McCree isn't even good vs Roadhog, he can't do anything about GET OVER HERE combos. Reaper can at least try to ghost out and try again.
>>341135890
His fan is getting nerfed but he will still be able to shit on Mei. Hes just not going to be able to instagib tanks with his double fan roll combo.
Why would he get nerfed?
>>341137545
Because he's has no weakness? He kills everyone up close, he's good mid range, he can even be relevant extreme range, he can shred winston/ reinhart barriers and kill any tank in the game in a fan roll fan combo.
Honestly I think the real horror in the game is widowmaker though, mobile, mine to help avoid being flanked, extreme bodyshot damage, high fire rate, low reload time, has a good close range weapon, average health, super easy to have almost 100% uptime on wallhacks for your whole team (super underestimated part of her kit.)
>>341136894
Reaper counters roadhog hard. An accurate 76 can also take him out pretty fast.--and of course, widow eats roadhog.
Pharah destroys mei. Junkrat destroys mei. A good tracer can pressure a mei into running off. and naturally, Widow eats Mei.
>>341137207
Tell that to Roadhog's infinitely long chain.
>>341138135
But he also is limited by shot count. 6 shots and he's out of ammo.
>>341138361
Good thing he has an ability that instantly reloads if he needs to circumvent that limitation.
Also 6 shots is enough to kill anything that moves.
>>341138135
This the worst part about it is the best counter to Mcree is a better Mcree.
Unlike the rest of the roster he does not have a clear hard counter.
>>341138548
10/10 revolver ocelot reference anon
>>341138361
As the other anon said 6 ammo limit means nothing when you can instantly reload and 12 bullets will kill anyone in the game at full health.
>>341136746
>>341136762
>Zenyatta
I sure hope the enemy team doesn't have anything resembling a long range weapon!
>>341138135
Great widows can be terrifying but she still gets shut down by Winston and double Winston is pretty popular.
>>341138548
>nothing like sliding a silver bullet into a well greased chamber
>>341138135
Widow has clear counters though, like Winston. McCrees only problem is nobody's sure who exactly is his counter. Snipers are the only ones, Roadhog is 50/50 (if hook hits, Roadhog wins, if it misses, McCree wins), Pharah maybe because its hard to stun her.
>>341135734
Roadhog is annoying but manageable.We'll be fine.
Nerf Mcree into the ground. Make his faggoty cowboy ass unplayable
>>341139303
Yor the problem with modern gaming
>>341139303
This. Roadhog can be ridiculously good in some maps like defending Hanamura but as a tank he lacks the tools to help the rest of his team, other than picking off dangerous enemy heroes and removing them from a fight.
>>341139117
>Pharah maybe because its hard to stun her.
Not really. McCree melts Phara if he's intelligent enough to realize he has a left click.
Phara's biggest weakness is anyone who can hitscan at range. She's essentially a sitting duck for any widow/mcree/76 who want to shoot her slow ass out of the sky.
![overwatch_fi_42[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iAmzcMH.jpg "overwatch_fi_42[1].jpg")
>>341136762
>Zenyatta
Yeah, keep playing him. I love one hit killing shit characters.
>>341137545
BECAUSE HE LOCKSDOWN THE FUCKING FLANKING POINT AND "WOAH THERE!"S ME EVERY FUCKING TIME
>>341140152
>he doesnt know about the widow nerfs
>>341140492
Even if she gets nerfed she'll make Zenyatta suck her fat, blue futa cock all day long. Zenny is the worst character in the game.
>>341140152
Good Zenyattas usually hide behind bulkier tanks, you need more than just one sniper to completely shut down a good Zenyatta.
>>341139745
>plays blatantly overpowered things then gloats about it and acts like its fine.
Yeah, no. You're a cunt.
>>341136835
>>341136762
>D.Va loses against a Roadhog every time.
>somehow a counter
>>341136835
There isn't a single character I play that I'm worried about seeing a D.VA when I play. Most of the time I'm pretty happy about it actually. Free points.
Her guns need a buff.
>>341138859
This is fucking reddit, don't reply like that
>>341136835
Roadhog can use his heal and outheal D.Va, in the middle of D.Va shooting him. D.Va is as terrible "counter" vs Roadhog as Winston.
>>341140730
His offense and offensive support is great. The only problem is that he dies to a wayward breeze.
He's more of an offense/secondary support, not a primary support. Widowmaker not doing 150 on bodyshots will increase his usability greatly.
>>341140730
What is with you faggots and cocks?
>>341138649
Genji is a really good counter to him.
>>341135734
McCree is literally the only really broken part of this game. Widowmaker, a GOOD Widowmaker, is insanely scary, but that's all player skill. Not just zoning in, pressing E and right clicking on the nearest target. Fan the Hammer should have a cooldown just like every other burst damage ability in the game.
>>341139023
theyre nerfing both widow and mcree in the same patch which is likely this week
>>341138135
For Widowmaker I think they should just nerf her body shot damage so you can't just one-shot heroes like Zenyatta with a body shot anymore..
>who's gonna take out dual roadhogs
hehheheheheheheheheh
>>341141298
Throw the stun at the ground, collect genji tears when he can't reflect it and gets stunned anyways.
They will probably render him unplayable like everything Blizzard touches
>>341139023
>Playing Zen behind Rein's shield
Enjoy getting two-shotted.
>>341141298
>Genji goes lolcounter
>Mccree tosses grenade on the ground
>Fan
>AND THAT'S HOW THE WEST WAS WON
>>341141382
Sleep tight reap lite
>>341136835
Everytime I play D.va I shit on roadhogs.
Everytime I play Roadhog I shit on D.va
I think people just don't know how to play either
>getting stunned from a flashbang hitting your back
Literally why
>>341135734
It sucks that Blizzard in all their retardation is just going to lower his numbers so he'll do irrelevant damage, when all they fucking have to do is remove his flashbang, so he can't automatically win everyone 1v1 and actually has to flank.
>>341138135
>Because he's has no weakness?
Complete lack of mobility and survivability are weakness enough, did you know he is the only character without a self heal, damage block, or advanced mobility?
>>341140762
>literally crying about "this hero is le overpowered maymay"
>not the problem with modern gaming
dont fool yourself kid. Youre fucking shit. In fact you should probably just an hero and call it a day
>>341141807
>implying he needs mobility when he can deal amazing damage at any distance
>>341136192
Anyone with range and mobility, but junkrat works.
>>341141807
You're talking about Zenyatta, right?
Because surely you can't mean McReee
>>341141814
don't cut yourself on that edge, sport
>>341136617
>you will never endure ten days of the hornace
>>341141319
>Lucios alt fire costs ammo AND has a cooldown
it's like they reversed the strings in the database or something
>>341136894
How so? Mei can already counter McCree's flashbang>fan the hammer combo by either walling or cryo freezing when she's expecting him to use it (which is all the time, as soon as the McCree shows up or thinks he's in trouble). The result is him wasting his flashbang and having to deal with a moving target, thus fan the hammer is no longer an option. If she's not the true monster now, she never will be. Not to mention, most tanks can already deal with Mei as freeze doesn't last long enough for Mei to kill them, meaning Mei pretty much has to run or else the tank is gonna ice her as soon as they thaw.
I just feel soldier is pretty effective. Just hit those missles and accuracy doesn't matter on big targets.
reaper. The character that actually should be anti tank.
Or
Junkrat
Widow is surprisingly effective against Roadhog
Hanzo even
>>341141976
Falloff makes body shots trivial, and long range headshots aren't exactly commonplace enough to be a problem
>>341142045
Zen self heals, 2\3 of his health is shields
>>341142123
Drink bleach you turbonigger
>>341142371
McCree is absolute fucking cannon fodder for a Soldier at mid range. All you literally have to do is avoid getting stunned and you will win fights.
>>341135734
>Watch Lirik and OGJosh stream
>They run Double Roadhog and shit on every pub
Eh, as long as Roadhog gets nerfed I'm fine.
>>341135734
There are generals for these.
>>341135734
Soldier 76, Junkrat, Pharah, Reaper, Bastion, and anyone else who can put out large amounts of damage on a single target.
>>341142498
:^)
Are you upset about something? Don't worry, it's an anonymous image board. You can talk about your family problems here.
>>341142123
>I just want to call others out and shitpost
>stop pointing out how retarded I am
>>341142759
FUCK
OFF
>>341141807
Roll is enough mobility in a fight, since it also doubles as instant gun reload.
Roadhog is like fatter, bulkier version but the thing with Roadhog is, his weapon can miss a lot,has only 4 shots, slow rate of fire and slow reload, even when you hook someone perfectly the weapon can fuck you over and the prey can escape. Throwing the hook also comes with a delay both in the throw itself and the chain trajectory so you need to learn how to use it.
Mei is also dangerous up close, but you have solid 2-3 seconds to attempt to escape or kill her before she freezes you. And she cant take on multiple enemies at once either without dying.
Meanwhile you have to be Polygon-level of a player to miss with McCrees weapon after a stun. Oh, and Mccrees weapon is fairly accurate. And you get one instant reload per a fight. Oh yeah, and his stun has deceptively large AoE, so you can stun multiple enemies at once in a small room, kill one, then roll back to safety to wait to get the stun again.
McCree and Widow's getting nerfed this week, new contents will be at end of June.
>>341142781
wrong picture
I dont mind his damage getting nerfed, but the flash bang is absolutely necessary to shut down le jumping sword man and le run fast butt girl
You shouldn't be able to melt a tank by right clicking, but McCree is needed to shut down other types of bullshit
>>341142910
It's okay buddy. I'm here for you.
>>341142341
you cant even freeze your self quickly enough in response because the 20 tick wont let you. when you see it come, on mcrees end you have already been stunned. so basically you have to get lucky
>>341141156
Even if they gave him 175 health to not get one shot from a widow bodyshot. If I recall he had more health in the closed beta and was insanely good before they nerfed him.
>>341142965
The way they said it is that McCree is only going to have a nerf to fan damage. He will still be able to take out Tracers with E+M2 which probably means potential fan damage is now gonna be somewhere around 200
>>341141337
Widow's charge time needs slightly increased and her ulti charge needs to be slower.
>>341143254
It should be 100 health, 25 shield, and 25 armor.
>>341143254
He probably wont get buffed, maybe movement speed but thats it. Because good Zenyatta-tank duo can wreck the enemy team when they're attacking. Zen is one of those 10/0 or 0/10 kind of characters. He's either ridiculously powerful in a match, or gets shut down completely. Theres no middle ground.
>>341135734
Ehm... Reaper? He was meant to be the "tank counter". That's why he has 250 hp, self regen and why it's useless against high ranged enemy. (And actually he is not the only counter)
>>341135890
mei is easy to deal with since the retards who play her can only w+m1 and occasionally m2
>>341141762
He would be used very little if they removed his flashbang. His fan/roll combo will still be able to kill pretty much anyone outside of tanks.
His left click is also very powerful but I'm convinced people forgot that existed.
>>341143023
My father was not a nice man. He was an angry drunk. My mother was literally a prostitute. She payed for my birthday parties that nobody came to. My uncle was a kiddy diddler and he's doing time in prison. Last I heard he got nearly killed almost four times. My grandparents were dead before I was born from a murder-suicide, on both sides of the family.
I sit at home, take pills, drink liquor, and post on 4chan all day because I'm a mess.
But that doesn't change a damn thing. Fuck. You.
>>341142929
Roll doesn't even give you i-frames like Tracers blink or Genji's dash, its only useful to give McCree more DPS with the reload.
Also Roadhogs hook is hitscan, at least when aiming the hook ,the pulling animation has travel time though.
>>341143569
50 Armor, 100 Shields.
Survives the shot, slightly more survivable as a whole.Increase his damn move speed or let him hover with jump or something.
>>341141337
they never said they were nerfing widow in the same patch as mccree. Just that they're looking at her internally and finding out how to make her less frustrating to play against but they haven't come up with anything yet
>>341143901
Don't be down. Deep down your mummy and daddy loved you in their own special way!
We're all rooting for you, champ! Go out there and do something wonderful! :^)
>>341143901
>payed
>>341144506
You make me so fucking mad. Give me your address.
>>341136762
>>D.Va
>shitty damage
>squishier than Tracer
>terrible ult
if anything D.Va desperately needs a buff
>>341135890
Unfortunately.
I always say it too. The biggest problems of the game are tanks like roadhog and reinhardt that are essentially point bullies that do a ton of fucking damage and speedy flankers like tracer and genji who can deflect nearly everything.
Those four justify mei's existence.
>>341144736
Don't worry buddy, We'll always be together in your heart! Today is the first day of the rest of your life!
>>341144168
Good luck for them for that. Snipers have been the bane of all team-based multiplayer shooters. You hate them when theyre on the enemy team, you hate them when theres too many of them on your own team, making attacking or defence impossible.
>>341144782
She is getting a buff along with Mcree's nerf.
They're nerfing Widowmaker too, right?
She needs it even more than McCree does.
>>341144908
STOP IT. I SWEAR TO FUCKING CHRIST I WILL BRING 9/11 TO YOUR DOORSTEP. ADRESS. NOW.
>>341140730
D.Va's the worst character in the game, but both her and Zenny are gonna get buffed for sure
Am I the only one that thinks Soldier is a sort of a sleeper OP?
Nobody seems to talk about him, but he can absolutely shit on both squishies and tanks alike
>>341145158
Temper, temper young man! What would your father say?
>join game
>get facerolled
>salty players leave
>autobalanced with good players
>not enough players because they fucking ragequit
>reinstanced
>join game again
>get facerolled
ad infinitum
>>341136794
I want to feed that piggy something.
>>341144908
>>341145084
>when 2 faggots are baiting each other and both think they are "winning" thier little internet fight
just fucking kiss already
>>341144923
>it's another "attack with a Hanzo, a Torbjörn and a Widowmaker" episode
>>341145081
Either her sniper shot needs longer charge, or alternatively she has to become as squishy as Zenyatta up close.
Either make it harder for her to hit her shots (like with Hanzo), or make it so they cant just jump around and hope to out-DPS low HP flankers like Tracer and Reaper. But given how Winstons completely take a shit on Widows, theres not going to be a nerf on her anytime soon.
>>341145375
What the fuck do you expect me to do until the sony conference? Play videogames?
>>341135734
>game includes waifus
>game includes amputees
>only one girl is an amputee
>not even a leg amputee and is the least pandering waifu
>Read thread
>No one crying for Bastion nerfs
I'm proud of you /v/
>>341143254
It was more than just having more health, his orbs remained on heroes constantly. He could throw a harmony orb onto a flanking hero like Genji or Tracer and let them just tear shit up the whole game. In his current state, he wouldn't be OP with an extra 50 health.
>>341145267
Soldier is very effective in the hands of players who have good game sense and an understanding of the rest of the heroes.
>>341145573
>overwatch thread
>hes a consolecuck
sorry mate. Didnt realise you were having hard times. Maybe you could start a kickstarter or givealittle page to fund a cheap PC for yourself
>>341145375
I'm waiting for E3 stuff and I'm bored as hell.
>>341146000
>idorts don't exist
>people looking forward to the inevitable multiplat reveals don't exist
>>341141298
only sometimes
>>341135734
Fuck off to /vg/ you retarded ASSFAGGOTS children
>>341145868
He also has hard counters which make sure hes never OP. Roadhog takes a shit on soldier up close for instance, Soldier cant hope to kill Roadhog fast enough for Roadhog to retreat behind a wall and heal up, while a single successful hook kills Soldier instantly.
quality blizzard matchmaking
>>341145345
Fucking this. When will people learn that autobalance is a beautiful thing?
I'm adding Pharah to my duck list
Hanzo
Pharah
DVA
Zenyatta
These players can not be trusted to pull their weight on the team
>>341146165
>im in an overwatch thread complaining I have nothing to play even though I own overwatch on the PC Im currently shitposting on
> I make threads to bitch about heroes being overpowered
>I just want to shitpost in peace
>Im an idiort I swear
>>341141732
Because its not CS.
Seen from a realistic standpoint, flashbangs are for clearing rooms without lethal force. So yeah you're fuck when near one, it doesnt matter if you look into it or have your eyes closed.
>>341146624
Hanzo is surprisingly capabale
>>341146624
Dont forget that 70 % of widows are worthless too.
>>341135734
76.
>>341135734
>>341135890
>roadhog
>mei
>viable threats
what
roadhog literally feeds enemies ults, having 2 of them means your enemy team will be ulting out the ass
mei is primarily short ranged and low damage, if you 're within the range of her m1 and you can't kill her before she can freeze you you're probably bad and deserve to die
>>341146624
Route 66 and Gibraltar attacking Pharah is ridiculous. Up to a point even defenders pick Pharahs in those maps.
>>341136437
Mccree needed that nerf. It's not okay to 1 shot a tank. Call reaper a tank buster but he doesn't do it in one shot. Even MEI with her shitty ice sniping doesn't do it on one shot. Mccree shouldnt either.
>>341140768
No she doesn't. I kill lots of roadhogs as D. Va
>>341146173
nothing impressive about dumb luck and a mcree who feeds you fan the hammer brainlessly
>>341146836
roadhog instakills anyone with 200hp and lower
mei will stop an entire team or at least freeze the ones that are dangerous before they can do anything
>>341146417
you think that's unfair?
>play against a team full of lvl 150+, one of them was 199
>our team had only 2 over 100they didnt even get past the first Control Point
>>341142125
neither will viper that pussy cant keep it on for more than a few days
>>341135734
>hide all mcree threads
>ignore mcree posters
>do not reply mcree posters
pic answers the shitty purpose of this "thread"
>>341147126
Show me something impressive
>>341147293
Sounds like matchmaking threw you against full premade. Just disconnect from obvious premade vs randoms matches as long as matchmaking doesnt care about those.
>play with my cousin and his friends who used to play competitive halo and tf2
>feel worthless as you get carried against people who are way better than you
Why live?
>>341147686
4 of them were
but anyway, level matters less the higher you go
>>341146561
git fucking good instead of relying on autobalance
>>341147819
>Why live?
to git gud
>>341147819
Pick a character who is good at supporting other characters (reinhardt, winston, zarya, mei, mercy). Focus less on getting kills and more on keeping your friends alive. There, youre not worthless.
>>341148341
But you git gud getting stomped on not carried
>>341144968
Widow and traced are getting needed D.va is no being buffed at the same time. Last I checked they were unsure whether they should give her actual weapons or make her a real tank.
>>341147241
>Mei
>Doing anything against a coordinated team
Roadhog just needs to hook and pop her.
>>341137347
>McCree isn't even good vs Roadhog
The counter is being able to burst him down by surprise before he even chains you.
And if he manages to you have a decent chance at survival if you panic-flash and roll away.
>>341148267
but it's not fun if all the gud players are on one team
>>341148523
Devs said they didnt want to give her more damage, so they probably make her more tanky somehow. Make the shield way longer maybe. Or give her even more mobility, essentially making her a fat version of Tracer.
>>341148629
dude give up you're arguing with someone who doesn't win enough to know that winning isn't always the most fun
I find for me the best counter to roadhog is bastion.
Setup somewhere far away and take advantage of his large hitbox which offsets the spread of your fire.
The problem i have with picking say reaper is once you get hooked it's like a beacon for his team to drop a hot load on you and even if you wraith out they just follow you and dumpster you after it ends.
>>341148585
Roadhog vs McCree is 50/50. If hook hits, Roadhog wins. If stun hits, McCree wins. Hook has more range but stun has bigger aoe and is way better in small rooms.
>>341147446
i dont know it would involve some airshotting with junkrat or pharah not >press e and hope something comes out of it like an unplanned mcree flash and 6 fan ticks
Reminder that zarya has the best ult in the game if you can coordinate
I ulted an entire team and then a dva's mech blew up on them, wanted to record it but it wasn't even considered a highlight for me and was potg for the dva
>>341149207
IMO Mei and Zarya Ulti are bit too similar to each other. Both do basically the same thing.
>>341149085
Airshotting with pharah is day one stuff and a junkrat shouldn't even be trying for airshots, let alone getting a potg with one.
reaper eats roadhogs alive
that and mccree's primary fire absolutely rips fatties alive, especially when you plink their heads
>>341149391
Combining them yields amazing results
>>341149391
You can escape a mei ult with good reactions, zarya you are just fucked and pulled in to a tight cluster which lets anyone with an AoE rape them
>>341148869
Zen is really all you need vs roadhog. Against good ones the orb takes him to murdertown. Against not so good ones I've 1v1ed a lot of the time.
Wish Zen had more mobility though.
>>341149391
Zaryas is far stronger when combined with others. Best in the game IMO. Meis can be stronger by itself but is a weaker ult overall.
>>341149565
Depends on the character youre playing. Plus Mei's ulti lasts way longer and prevents enemies from doing anything when theyre full frozen. Escaped so many Zarya ultis with Mei by simply popping the heal, or with Zenyatta by using the ulti.
>>341149668
Can't wait to spam him after Widow is nerfed. If you can strafe and blast people he is stronger than most assault classes.
>stun and try to fan a tracer
>literally faster than it took for me to right click they teleported forward away from my shots
This keeps happening and I have no idea why, The combo works on everyone else but somehow tracers can just magically get out
>>341149767
Yep. Zarya requires a full and coordinated team to work, but will result in an insta-wipe most of the time. Mei's ultimate generally has counterplay.
>>341149916
He still gets easily countered by Reaper and Tracer both so he would still not be OP. It would make both Reaper and Tracer better characters too.
>>341149207
Getting 100 charge with Zarya and smashing people is so fucking satisfying. Best of all, no one plays her because they think she's shit when really she just has a higher skill cap than the other tanks.
>>341149954
>Zarya requires a full and coordinated team to work,
Not even, a 75%+ zarya and one explosive class is basically a free teamkill
>enemy plays roadhog
>get hooked
>shotgun followup instantly kills me from full health without the chance to activate anything that could save me
>I played roadhog
>hook an enemy
>shotgun followup deals like 80 damage at most
What am I doing wrong?
>needing 2 roadhogs when you can get the job done yourself
Roadhog is an easy class, just hook shoot heal, you don't even die for several games.
>>341149916
Damage yield is amazing. I'm slowly getting better at aiming again after not playing FPSes in years and I'm already getting plays of the game and shit. People underestimate how much damage he can do. I love BTFOing offence classes that see me as an easy kill. Nothing is more satisfying than counter-sniping a Hanzo or Widowmaker though.>You're in the play of the game
>Everyone laughs at how bad you are at aiming
;_;
>>341150205
You need most of the shots to hit the body, less if you shoot the face
Honestly it's sorta luck based if they are slightly off center or not
>>341135890
You're regards of you think he'll be getting nerfed so hard FTH won't still be able to kill Mei. Or more likely you're just a butthurt McCreefag groping for complaints.
The nerf to fan fire is the prime example to demonstrate that the Overwatch team has no idea what they are doing. The only thing that need to be changed about McCree is that flashbang's aoe radius should be reduced to the point where they'd have to change the name to "Pocket Sand" That way he can keep his tank killing power but force him to be accurate with his abilities
>>341150205
The shotgun is inconsistent, but you basically need to be in a hugging distance to get instant kill. Even then it can sometimes miss.
>>341147241
>roadhog instakills anyone with 200hp and lower
Don't get fucking pulled, holy fuck is this a walk into a roadhog bar?
>>341150205
>Hook enemy Genji, Tracer, Lucio
>They appear behind you
>Hook enemy Pharah in the air
>They appear above you
cool game blizzard
>>341145419
You say that but the amount of times I've seen or been a sniper on attack and scattered the shit out of the enemy defence is pretty grand.
Hanzo especially with his "Nobody is allowed to stand here" dragonu beamaru.
>playing rein running towards a roadhog with a McCree next to me
>once we get in hook range I tap she shield
>hook plinks off, I charge his ass down and then the McCree rapes him
>nerf mccree damage
>he still kills roadhog
Okay.
>>341137545
He's already being nerfed kek
>>341150154
Does her m2 scale with the absorption shit or is it better to m1 people to death in a ult if you're fully charged?
Assuming it doesn't scale
>>341150682
He instakills anyone with less than 255 technically and much higher if he gets a meaty headshot
>>341150773
Defence heroes on attack tend to only work if you manage to get to a good spot where you can constantly harass or shut down the enemy defences. This rings true to pretty much all defence heroes except Mei. But the problem is you need the other heroes to push enough for you to get that space. If you can get any snipers or Pharah on top of one of the roofs on Hanamura on the first phase, you can basically harass the enemy defending team from up there endlessly, even kill anyone who respawned and tries to get back.
>>341150434
I somewhat agree. Yes, McRee has insane damage output and all but isn't that his job? He's meant to do damage. The thing that makes him crazy currently is the flashbang into fan combo. Taking a stance that nerfs his core game concept before reworking the way his flashbang works seems wrong. I feel like we're going to go down the road of "Every class that can do things exceptionally gets given wiffle bats instead so nobody gets their fee-fees hurt" balancing mentality, rather than "Everybody has shit that they excel at". It's worrying, considering that aside from a few characters the game is pretty well balanced.
Ready for McRee to become a high noon and flashbang dispenser? Or Mei to become pretty much irrelevant because people complain?
>>341147428
As true as that is, an ult is hardly a practical counter.
I LOVE JOINING UNWINNABLE MATCHES FUCK THIS GAME
>>341150434
>an ability that melts anything at close range and does a fast and almost consistent 200 damage at mid range with hitscan shouldn't be nerfed
MCCANCER FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>341150205
What I do is walk towards them and give them a pearl necklace as soon as I can.
You can even hold m1 down so that it fires as soon as it comes up
>>341151330
It does scale with absorption, full charge the laser does 190 per second to probably one target and the explosion does 90 to technically unlimited amounts
>>341135734
More like, who is going to take out all the Reapers, Tracers, Genjis, and Meis
>>341151805
Mcree.
>>341150687
This. Fucking HATE this. Now that I'm out of shitter MMR and people actually jump while fighting, Hook just flat out flubs
>>341135734
A clean headshot after getting hooked blows him away now. The only person I fear as Roadhog is Mei or a good D.VA (I haven't ever met a good one aside from myself on the Chinese servers) if my hook is in cooldown. As long as you stay at range or together, Roadhog isn't very scary though.
>>341151356
Problem with McCree is he doesnt have any clear counters. Close spaces hes just going to win period. Mid-range he can still fight decently. Mei is really weak against multiple enemies and quick burst damage, roadhog is weak to Zenyatta, Reaper and McCree and has a unique weakness where enemy team can have the easiest ultimate farm by shooting him. Widow gets trashed by Winston.
What is McCrees weakness, other than snipers? Nothing.
>>341145419
>it's a payload attack with Torb and I'm playing Reinhardt episode
McCree is so fucking ugly in every way, his design, his animations, his voice, his piss boring braindead gameplay. Too bad he will always keep his e+rmb easy kill on 200hp heroes.
>>341140730
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>>341151041
I just charge Rein and shoot & melee him point blank through his shield, if he charges there's enough windup (thanks 20tick) that I can hit Shift to stun him
>>341151356
As much as I agree that it's a dangerous path he DOES need a nerf. Mcree is incredibly unbalanced, and it's not even an opinion. It's just universally agreed fact.
>>341151356
> Yes, McRee has insane damage output and all but isn't that his job? He's meant to do damage.
So is Reaper, Pharah, Tracer, and 76
Why would you even pick Reaper when mcree can shred tanks faster than him and destroy everyone else faster than Reaper can? You complain about Blizzard not balancing around everybody having shit they excel at, but the other offenses can't excel at anything because mcree is simply better in 90% of situations.
Pub mcree players can do just fine by abusing fan the hammer and not having to aim, wait till you see a mcree who actually can aim. He's broken.
>>341151418
I was talking about zarya in general
Roadhogs cannot prevent taking damage, hence, they are free ult charge
She also gives sheilds to people to cock block hooks and can save people who get hooked
If you say anything other than Widowmaker as the next nerf you are fucking WRONG.
>>341152728
Yeah, Zarya can stop hooks, stop snipers, save people from being frozen, save people from being stunned and make people waste Ultimates when times properly.
She's so fucking good and fun without being Widowmaker/McCree levels of horseshit. If Zarya is tearing you apart, you only have yourself to blame.
>>341141382
>he just throws them away
>like they're fuckin garbage
>>341152548
>Why would you even pick Reaper when mcree can shred tanks faster than him and destroy everyone else faster than Reaper can?
Reaper does better in a big team skirmish due to fewer reloads, healing orbs, and invulnerability.
It's just that the E guarantees kills against important targets with no ability to counter, that's why he's so popular in comp
>>341140768
>Can't kill Roadhog with a total of 650 hp between the suit and the girl, unlimited shotgun bullets, a stop everything shield, Roadhog's decent critbox and low bullet count, and a passive eject that launches you away from him after losing 500 HP.
Jesus, just don't play DVA any more if you're that bad with her. I always kill Roadhog and Bastion if they're dumb enough to be alone.
>>341151979
>>341152250
>>341152548
Agreed. But if you nerf his ability to do damage he goes from being overpowered to simply irreverent, which is worse than just removing him as he is now dead weight on any team that has him.
This isn't solved by nerfing his fan's damage. Making it harder to execute doesn't solve the problem either. I'd perhaps go the route of nerfing the fan's accuracy, making it strictly close range and looking at the flashbang a bit more. Or that fucking roll.
Worth noting that McRee, Reaper, Pharah, tracer and 76 all have the "I do damage" job, but they all do it differently and fit into different niches. Reaper, for example, is designed to beThough it may not be the casea lot more hit and run and self-sufficient than McREEEEEE. There's more to the idea of the identity of a class than damage output. It also has to do with how damage is delt and what happens after. Everyone but 76 is much more slippery than McRee.
>>341152728
Roadhog is in a bit of a unique position where he can do okay against most heroes but then a lot of heroes have soft counters against him. So hes in this weird spot where he can fight most heroes 1v1 just fine, but then he can also be shut down by lot of them. Lot of the 1v1s are 50/50 fights where whether the hook hits or not matters the most. If the hook misses, good Roadhogs know when to bail out and heal and come back.
Once had a weird stalemate in Hanamura where attacking Winston and Mercy were holding the rightside balcony from the defenders, while I was playing Roadhog and kept them away from the control point by defending the doorway. Winston couldnt kill me because I simply healed everything up after retreating to the main room, whereas I couldnt kill Winston despite the hooks because of Mercy constantly healing him. And that stalemate went on for most of the match.
>>341152137
Problem with that arrangement is he's usually not alone.
>game depends on teamwork and co-ordination where player skill matters less than hero choice
>aka hope you got friends else you're getting pubstomped, fuckboy
This new wave of multiplayer games sucks.
>>341153124
More like you 50% of the time kill him and 50% of the time you get hooked, insta-ejected, and killed and it's based entirely on whether or not the hook flubbed where it placed you.
>>341146836
>Mei is primarily short ranged.
>>341153290
I kind of agree, the pick / counterpick balancing really does suck.
>>341145847
if anything he needs a buff
Bastions are near useless half the time.
>McCree is supposed to be a tank buster
I'm pretty sure blizzard are just retarded and never realized how good flash/fan is
If anything he was designed to be some sort of pseudo-sniper with the lack of damage falloff he used to have
If they ever need to buff him after neutering everything he has, they really should focus on the sharpshooting aspect. I want a goddamn revolver, not a glorified shotgun with a single-fire afterthought.
>>341152548
>Why would you even pick Reaper when mcree can shred tanks faster than him and destroy everyone else faster than Reaper can?
Because Reaper has better mobility and survivability. He is independent and not reliant on his team to make openings for him.
Also Reapers DPS is comparable to McCrees fan the hammer if most of his pellets headshot which at close range against big headed tanks they should.
>>341153124
>Can't kill Roadhog with a total of 650 hp between the suit and the girl
>He needs to effectively die once to kill a character
D.va is a perfectly balanced character who needs no buffs.
>>341153254
Did you think this through? Needing fan's accuracy just heightens the skill ceiling which solves nothing in higher level play, and the flash bang is an important tool to make sure he has a fighting chance against certain players. Nerfing the damage on fan simply means he's not easily killing characters he doesn't need to easily kill to be viable.
>>341153765
This. I wanted to play him but his design is just not fun at all.
>>341135734
Widowmaker Tracer Genji is being abused every game on lvl 100+ they are the highest threat in decent hands with few counters.
>>341146954
Mccree does it in 6-12 shots
>dva ults towards my team
>activate my immense gorilla brain
>work out complex mathematical equations
>ponder philosophy in the fraction of a second
>achieve enlightenment
>get bored with that and throw the shield down on the mech making it absolutely worthless
Get rekt you Korean shitter
>>341153124
Roadhog can self-heal in the middle of fighting D.Va without D.Va being able to do much, so thats 200-300 extra hp for him. D.Va is not going to win a 1v1 against hog. Well, unless you manage to kill him with the trick with the ulti where you trick him into hooking your ultimate.
>>341153254
Reaper should be the self-sustaining close-range flanker, Tracer is the most mobile constant harasser, 76 is the mid-range pusher, Pharah is the bane of entrenched enemy positions.
McCree should be the king of 1v1s, but right now he can do the job of Reaper better than Reaper himself. Nerfing the Aoe-range of the stun might put him back to king of the duel. When the stun can hit one and ONLY one enemy at a time, it makes sure he cant sweep the room of everyone with a single stun and roll.
Roadhog is also very close-range oriented but even then his damage is inconsistent even when he manages to stun an enemy. When McCree lands his stun, its a guaranteed kill for McCree unless you're Polygon staff or otherwise completely braindead.
>>341149207
I'm usually a pocket mercy while my friend plays as zarya on that exact map. If our team is at least somewhat competent we wreck mother fuckers with that combo.
>oh nos i finally died
>GUESS AGAIN FAGGOT
>rez
>>341154197
Which happen in under a second, you're point being
>>341153881
> Needing fan's accuracy just heightens the skill ceiling which solves nothing in higher level play
Skill can only do so much against random bullet spread. Can't really plan that shit out.
>the flash bang is an important tool to make sure he has a fighting chance against certain players.
The problem with McRee is that he has no counters. Removing his ability to deal with certain players is exactly what needs to happen. It would also make him more dependant on teammates. This would not only make 76 and Reaper more appealing but would add more risk to him getting to where he needs to be to 1v1.
>>341154684
nerfing the accuracy would still make him a tank killer, which he officially is not SUPPOSED to be but he is.
>>341153262
>not hooking the woman and 1 shotting her with your pork up her bum
come on bruh...
>playing roadhog
>2/3 of my health just disappears in under a second
>look around and all I can see is a soldier 76 off in the distance
>even with perfect accuracy headshots he couldn't have done nearly that much
>didn't die so I'll never know what sort of ghost fuckery happened
It's a mystery
>>341154871
I would argue that if a McRee is getting into licking distance of your tank with no recompense there's been a failure somewhere else, no? It's important to keep in mind this is a team-based game. How is the McRee getting to a distance in which he can do that? Would a Reaper have a easier/safer time taking out the same tank?
>>341155279
Direct hit grenade, followed by two head shots in a row off the same burst.
>>341154684
A less accurate spread still makes him a tank killer, which he's not supposed to be, and removing the flash bang means he'll get mauled by characters he IS supposed to be able to fight.
Why is Soldier: 76 so much fun?
Just got my first MVP with him an hour ago.
>>341155027
>hooking people through 2 walls, that hide behind Winston, enemy Hanzo and Tracer.
She was hiding in that small room with a health pack. Running all the way there wouldve given Winston and the enemy team Hanzo a free kill.
when I mean in the distance I mean so far that he could do at most 100 damage a second with perfect headshot accuracy and there was no explosion that hit me
>>341135734
>Double Roadhog
Thanks for the free ults, faggots.
>>341153412
I have never died to a Hog. But if they were able to kill me without hooking, then it would be easy to grab me after I eject away.
>>341153835
I'm just listing all of her advantages.
>>341154298
As soon as he starts healing you're free to get point blank on his head and turn it into a pinball machine.
>>341155832
meant to reply to: >>341155531
>>341155734
No gimmicks necessary.
>>341155385
>How is the McRee getting to a distance in which he can do that?
lol this is overwatch we are talking about. its chokepoint central
>>341155734
Effective at long and mid range, solid DPS, self-heal which can heal teammates, above-average mobility, great voice acting, decent selection of costumes. He's the complete package.
>>341155385
Failure of the team can be used to justify anything and is not an argument. The game gives loads of side paths and hidey holes for players to ambush. This does not take skill and is not necessarily a failure of the team.
