They've already fucked it up. All hype is kill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyspr4Tkt58
Will we ever get the 40K game that 40k deserves?
>Will we ever get the 40K game that 40k deserves?
Dow1 and 2 were great for various reasons.
When is the Q&A with PC Gamer starts?
>>341039707
>They've already fucked it up. All hype is kill.
In what way?
>>341039707
>They've already fucked it up. All hype is kill.
Now what are you bitching about?
>>341040501
>>341040573
It looks like dawn of war had sex with dawn of war 2 and this awful abomination came out.
Watch the video and tell me where is the strategy in this so called real time strategy game.
Watch the video and tell me the graphics aren't worse than dawn of war, a 12 year old game.
Watch the video and tell me that gameplay doesn't look like utter dogshit.
The main focus point is the imperial knight and the HQ unit, all the other units and literally just a complete mess of shit smashing into each other, they're just kind of standing there shooting each other.
Graphics wise it looks like a moba.
I really want to love this game I've been waiting years but what I've seen I just hate.
>>341039707
>tfw I believed
FUCK
>>341039707
>looks more like 2 than 1
>1 fags are on suicide watch now
What a great day.
>>341040976
>Watch the video and tell me the graphics aren't worse than dawn of war, a 12 year old game.
C'mon man.
>>341040049
>DoW 2
Oh boy, I can field an entire 12 space marines at once!
>>341040976
>It looks like dawn of war had sex with dawn of war 2 and this awful abomination came out.
You mean it looks like a sequel?
>Watch the video and tell me where is the strategy in this so called real time strategy game.
The part where this is obviously one of the starter missions for the campaign and not multiplayer.
>Watch the video and tell me the graphics aren't worse than dawn of war, a 12 year old game.
Did you watch the same video as us? The effects look better and the only reasons why the models don't look better is because we're too zoomed out to see them.
>Watch the video and tell me that gameplay doesn't look like utter dogshit.
It looks the same as the other two since we've seen so little of it.
>The main focus point is the imperial knight and the HQ unit, all the other units and literally just a complete mess of shit smashing into each other, they're just kind of standing there shooting each other.
You mean it looks like DoW 1 but with Warcraft hero units? Caus DoW 1 units did dog shit but smash into each other mindlessly.
>Graphics wise it looks like a moba
No, graphics wise it looks like DoW 2 but with more color and effects. Aesthically, it looks like an RTS which ASSFAG aesthetics borrow from. Shit is emphasized so that you can pick out who and what you need from a fight.
I'm sorry you were expecting the Emperor himself to come down from his lofty chair to make your perfect videogame but it looks fine based on everything we've seen.
Looks quite fun but I'm still worried about the whole "super units" thing.
>>341041369
it looks like a moba
and what the fuck is that imperial knight doing at the beginning hahaha it's like he's trying to do the funky chicken those animations
>THIS PRE-ALPHA FOOTAGE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S A FINISHED PRODUCT GUYS PLEASE HELP
I'm buying it anyways, I hope the army painter didn't go away.
looks like the other dawn of war games
>>341040976
Looks fine to me. Are you sure your're not confusing Dawn of War with Starcraft?
Give
me
TYRANIDS
>>341043605
Only in the DLC, my swarm mate. If they do nids I hope we get all the 6e unitswhich I know we wont.
>warhammer
>a franchise about staving off hordes of mindless aliens hellbent on your destruction
>preview it in merkel's muslim paradise
kek
Did anyone hear what Gabriel sounded like?
He sounds fucking awful. In DoW1 and 2 he sounds calm and stern. You can hear the honour in his voice.
This one sounds like a brute with a picture to go with it.
>>341039707
Too colorful for you?
Looks like a fucking cartoon and the combat looks worse than fucking 2
Il check it out on release but there's nothing to look forward to
>Those new voices
>Those awful unit animations
>Those weapon lighting effects
I mean I know it's pre-alpha, but I can kinda see where OP is coming from on a few points.
>>341043605
>>341043813
Necrons are currently the biggest faction in the running, looking through stuff. Chaos, of course, is a possibility. Nids are less likely for the initial villains again though, but DLC is still very much on the table.
I just wanna know where the game is in relation to others, since this could take place anywhere after DoW1.
>>341042318
>hahaha it's like he's trying to do the funky chicken those animations
>>341039707
>no cover system
>cartoony artstyle
Fuck that shit
>>341039707
???
it looks good
>>341041520
Its because of "muh bases" and "muh big battles" memers like you DoW3 looks like this.
Now bask in your comp stomp like dynamic and engaging gameplay!
>>341042318
>>341045301
>Knight Soleria
>he
This looks stupid as fuck. They're just standing within spitting distance and chucking rounds at each other.
Have any of those fucks ever played the tabletop?
We'll get to give the Knight a chainsword, right?
>>341039707
It looks good, though?
>>341040976
You're watching a video of a tutorial mission played against AI. I dunno what do you expect from it? Expert micro?
>>341041185
It has base building.
>>341039707
The scale's a little smaller than I'd like, but beyond that: what's the problem?
We've seen 3 minutes of pre-alpha footage.
Looks like this do not take place after Retribution, Gabriel doesn't have his cybernetics implants
>>341039707
Will there be a World of 40k in the near future?
>>341047685
Might just not be around his face. He IS leaping through the air with Pre-Heresy Terminator Armor, that could be an explanation for it.
>>341039707
/v/ is so obsessed with nazism that they're now posting german videos. /pol/ was a mistake
>>341047803
Already happened, kinda.
>>341047952
Germans love 40k games for some reason, they get a lot of the pre-alpha videos it seems. I know it happened with Deathwatch.
>>341047909
He got a cybernetic eye at the end of Retribution.
Game is either set before Retribution or they could have just completely wiped all of DoW2 from canon.
All I know is that he is no longer the man I once loved.
Where's Streum's Space Hulk?
>>341048035
>Germans love 40k games for some reason,
The only way they can support some form for loyal patriotism without being labeled nazis and having lefties fucking up their life.
>>341047909
Could be, but in the SM ending he looked like Calgar, bionic eye, metal faceplat and everything.
Why is Gabriel not voiced by Dobson?
PREORDERING THIS RIGHT FUCKING NOW
WHERE IS THE SITE FOR PREORDERING
I LOOKS FINE AS SHIT
MOAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>/v/ bitching about a game before release
DOOM AND TOTAL WARHAMMER WILL BE GARBAGE YOU GUISE HONEST
>>341042318
>it looks like a moba
No, it's look like a RTS, all isometric mobas look like RTS.
>>341041613
>Did you watch the same video as us?
>us
>>>/reddit/
>>341040976
Post your face when you will never been this autistic
Feels great man
It looks pretty good for pre-alpha. There is a bit of base building back, hero units are essential and its more than just 12 units at a time. It actually feels like war again.
>They've already fucked it up. All hype is kill.
No they didn't. This looks pretty damn good. End yourself.
>>341047952
>muh /pol/ boogeyman
Aside from the art style (its still in PRE alpha) and base building and shit, what do you people don't like? It looks great to me.
I can't tell if its going to be shit or good from just this video.
Fuck you can barely tell if it's a proper rts or a moba, you can't see the players cursor controlling the units or not doing so.
>>341048203
>>341048393
>Set between Soulstorm & 2
>Story is about Blahd Rehvens finding superweapon to redeem themselves after the Kaurava fuck up
>Macha and Gorgutz die, Angelos begins to have doubts over Kyras
>Get introduced to Jonah Orion as the Librarian hero
>>341039707
>DoW 3 fucked up
>Quake fucked up
Just... why? Stop trying to pander to retards, it makes people hate you.
>>341049236
>or a moba
If you can control more than one unit and have base building it can NOT be a moba.
>>341040976
>pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage >pre-alpha footage
>>341049194
When you have the experience of a thousand dissapointments and you've played the Relic games past CoH you just know when something is shit.
And if a fucking Warhammer 40k game looks cartoony for starters then yes, it's already bad. Real bad. Like complete shit.
Remember Diablo 3? people got real upset and the game ruined the franchise reputation bad enough regardless of what they sold. Relic? they have no reputation anymore, people just don't really care.
>>341049496
Then I guess dota 2 isn't a mobs
I'm glade they introduced heroes and abilities though hope we can equip them with shit like previous dow
>>341040976
>Watch the video and tell me where is the strategy in this so called real time strategy game.
Campaign missions are always like this lol
>Watch the video and tell me the graphics aren't worse than dawn of war, a 12 year old game.
Pre-alpha, but I'll give you that
>Watch the video and tell me that gameplay doesn't look like utter dogshit.
It doesn't look like utter dogshit, why do you say it does?
>The main focus point is the imperial knight and the HQ unit, all the other units and literally just a complete mess of shit smashing into each other, they're just kind of standing there shooting each other.
Of course they are going to focus the first gameplay video on the NEW THINGS
>Graphics wise it looks like a moba.
Pre alpha, but again I'll give you that.
Seriously you people will try to complain about anything.
>>341039707
>Pre-Alpha footage.
How old is /v/?
Only gripes I have so far is that fucking flying hammer drop animation and that Gabriel has lost his actor.
>>341039707
>Pre-alpha footage
>OH WOW THIS GAME IS GONNA BE DOA ABANDON SHIP!!!!
Oh, it's another one of these episodes.
>DoW2 looked better
>7 years ago
>>341049885
Pre alpha nowadays means "it'll only get worse from here"
>>341049771
Seriously, I dont get the complaints. It looks like WC3 combined with DoW 1.
DoW in every single way including how units fight, and then special hero units that have a host of abilities. The only thing Im worried about is graphics at this stage but its early so there is a possibility the graphics may get improved. (Or they may not. In which case there is only 1 negative so far)
>>341049885
>>341049538
"Alphas" and "Betas" don't mean shit anymore in this day and age. Those graphics look finished enough and that's 90% of what's going to be shipped.
>Female Knight pilot
Finally 40k is being brought into the 21st century
>Will we ever get the 40K game that 40k deserves?
Deathwing
>>341048854
are you actually retarded?
>>341049695
>And if a fucking Warhammer 40k game looks cartoony for starters then yes, it's already bad.
It just looks colorful.
>drop pads fall on enemy eldar
>they get hurt and are thrown away
STEEL REHN LIVES
W40K Armageddon 2 when? (but not set in armageddon).
>>341039707
Can Imperial Knights even have 2 Gatling cannons in the fluff? I thought it was only renegade ones that can? Isn't going against the whatever heresy?
wellp, it's a shitty fuckin' moba
>>341049771
I have a mate who is seriously critical of games and it's really fucking annoying because he wont play anything that doesn't meet his obscenely high standards. Me on the other hand, I appreciate most games, even the shitty triple A games that pander to casuals. But being such a fan of 40k and having played the previous games I can't accept what I've seen it's just so shit. It just looks wacky. It doesn't feel right. I'll hold fire until I see more and I really hope they improve it, but it just looks like dog shit at the moment. And it DOES look like utter dog shit, it doesn't look at all like the 40k universe should. How are people even defending that?
>>341049445
The Monkey's Paw is strong in this E3
>You get Quake BUT it's not Quake 1 but a class based thing
>You get DOOM support BUT it has season pass and no SP expansions yet
>You get Dawn of War 3 BUT it's still the shit Relic development team and it's not really grimndark
Knights are the fucking worst thing to happen to 40k since Ultramarines
Are they actually air dropped onto planets in the fluff?
I thought the first two dawn of war games were shit so I don't really see this suddenly being good either.
expecting:
>blobby squad based controls
>focus on cinematic gameplay and fancy animations
>simplistic strategy and tech tree
also is gatling gun really just gatling gun in german?
>>341050631
I don't think they are, at least you can't deep strike them in the tabletop game
>no harlequins
>>341050259
That's shit.
>>341050346
Contrary to poppular belief. The Imperium does experiment in new technology and designs every now and then.
But they dont support doing it in a wide spread and quickly. New ideas only come from the highest ranking tech-priest and are experiment at such a slow speed they might as well not be trying.
Space Marine (the game) made this clear commenting on the Imperium was developing new technology, just so slowly that prototypes are Baneblade tiers of holy
>>341050748
Gatling gun's were named after a guy called Gatling, so yeah
>>341050019
This.
>>341050781
Then again, being able to let them deep strike would actually make them useful and give them a role of "bigger dreadnought" instead of "smaller titan".
>>341050847
Well, it's 40k.
>Still no images of the UI
Fuck sake, c'mon
>>341050624
>It just looks wacky. It doesn't feel right. I'll hold fire until I see more and I really hope they improve it, but it just looks like dog shit at the moment. And it DOES look like utter dog shit, it doesn't look at all like the 40k universe should. How are people even defending that?
Most of this sounds like your problem is with the art style, not the gameplay itself. Again if you're getting this mad about the game being more flashy looking than your usual 40K game rather than how much shit you can control at once while also managing bases (and how we've only seen VERY scripted events right now) then I dont know what to tell you other than wait.
>>341049194
>Aside from the art style (its still in PRE alpha)
You and I both know that the artstyle won't change much at all.
you people are confusing "bad graphics" with "bad artstyle." This game is actually really pretty in terms of lighting, shadows and effects. The artstyle of oversaturated, low detail models makes it look like a mobile game though.
>>341050624
Yeah this exactly. It blows my mind people defending it, but even more that there's a development team pushing a turd like this and thinking "yeah this is what our consumers want"
Then they all act surprised and then suddenly "there's no market for RTS anymore"
>>341049194
M8, you know that's not gonna change in the release.
It's pretty much done. Time to move on to another game.
>>341051419
>yeah this is what our consumers want"
Yeah, when all you fucks bitched and moaned about basebuilding and large armies when DoW 2 came out they assumed those were the things most important to you and now you have both with WC3 heroes.
>>341051678
Even if it doesn't the game looks fun as hell so I don't care.
>Ctrl - F
>Civ
>No matches
Really? Nobody made the comparison about the hip new graphics styles strategy games of the next generation are getting?
>>341051898
Civ has looked cartoony before, nothing new there.
>>341051785
I don't think anyone wanted it to look this sparkly and shiny, though.
>>341041369
Imperial Knight shoots a bullet bigger than the size that the leman russ fires and with a firerate of a minigun. Takes a few seconds to take out a normal eldar rifleman. Come the fuck on.
Pretty good for a first look at a pre-alpha, I'm satisfied :)
>>341051369
my biggest problem with the trailer is that units are tiny and hard to tell apart. there's not enough team colors or distinguishing features so it looks like it would be really easy to have no idea what units you're actually looking at without zooming in.
>>341050346
>>341050918
The Adeptus Mechanicus officially don't advance their technology or experiment. Because it's their belief that the Omnissiah has already invented everything as pefect as it gets, they just have to find or relearn it once again.
That doesn't stop people tinkering with their stuff of course. Nor does it stop a Magos inventing something, slapping on an STC schematic seal and claiming he found it.
No cover system
Comicgrafik
spaming low tier units
codex astartes does not support this action
>>341039707
40k is garbage though. Play anything else.
>>341039707
the graphics themselves don't look bad, its just the art style that needs serious work. looks way too stylized and cartoony, like any newer Blizzard game.
>>341039707
i think it looks cool, why did you need to make this thread again anon?
>>341039707
What's up with all games looking like cartoons lately? Is this a new meme or something?
>>341053219
Cheaper and easier to make, consider how crazy expensive game development is getting today.
>>341041520
Why is it that most 40kbabbies don't actually play 40k?
>>341053589
>how come people play mainstream media instead of embarrassing neckbeard dollhouse shit
Looks worse than two and maybe better than one. I prefer micro to macro and this game looks pretty fucking micro light other than some hero abilities. I'll reserve judgement though. I really hope squads aren't throwaway. I liked maintaining squads in 1 and 2.
>>341052720
that's kinda ironic because they were talking about how they specifically wanted to make the game easier to read at a glance
from what I can tell about gameplay, and what theyve said, it might not actually MATTER what unit you're looking at.
For instance confusing a devastator for a tactical squad in dow2 could easily force you to lose the fight or get a vehicle picked off. but they've said that basically all the non-hero units will be very basic and will rely on numbers to be effective.
Either way it sounds like shit
>>341053067
thanks for the meaningful contribution of your well formed opinion. I will consider this
>>341052986
Ya thats kind of what I said. Its all hush hush behind the scenes.
Officially the policy is no advancement. In secret behind close does that is not the case
>Are style is shit
>Animations are shit
>Sounds are shit
>Everything looks like it weighs a feather
>Everything looks like it just went through a car wash
>It'll run like shit knowing Relic
>Relic
>Sega
>Guaranteed DLC out the ass at launch
I've stuck by Relic through out the years with thousands of hours in CoH 1&2 and DoW 1&2, and to me DoW 3 isn't looking good at all.
To go against the general feelings here, I actually enjoy going in a more colorful fashion. A LOT of people forget that 40k was originally meant as a parody of fantasy when people starting complaining that fantasy was too dark. Original art was campy and over the top in an 80's style, and most GW models are very colorful too. Only Forgeworld really uses less saturation and pushes for more "realism" in art style.
>>341056978
looks good to me, you're just doing what /v/ does, complaining about EVERYTHING
>>341056978
This.
>>341057263
on that same note, here's a cover for a campaign book GW released just last year.
>>341057263
>A LOT of people forget that 40k was originally meant as a parody of fantasy
>Original art was campy and over the top in an 80's style
All retconned out of existence in the 2nd edition, 23 years ago.
>>341048203
>All I know is that he is no longer the man I once loved.
Macha is that you?
>>341057404
"looks good to me, you're just doing what /v/ does, having an opinion"
Don't listen to this fucking idiot, you're right. Relic could literally come round this gayboys house and shoot his dog and fuck him in the ass and he'd still be a fanboy.
So are people bitching about the art because it's on an ice planet and not brown and gray? The fuck is wrong with you? One map shown
>Hurr durrr it's art sucks
And if they went brown and gray
>Hurr durrr art is generic
Fucking babies.
>>341052534
It's called balancing.
>>341057952
true, but what I meant by that is that I like the more over camp styles, and GW is clearly referencing RT type artwork in
>>341057743
and their new special edition models are hearkening back to that time as well. pic related
>>341058365
What the fuck are you even on about you fucking idiot?
How old are you 11?
What the fuck has an ice planet got to do with anything? The graphics in general are just shite, which you can overlook if the gameplay is good but that's shit too.
And using "Hurr Durr" doesn't give your opinion on the matter any more validation, it just makes you look like you belong in a reddit thread with other 11 year olds kiddy. Fuck off.
>>341058323
How're you saying that I'm right and wrong at the same time, dumb nigger?
>>341059059
fuck that guy but you're not better.
Using "kiddy" and "shite" makes you sound like you just came from your regular reddit browsing
Video is private, whats going on?
>>341059795
Right...ok mate sure whatever you say.
Not liking how useless everything but the hero units look so far. Units felt like the had a purpose and were fairly powerful in their own right in the previous games. So far it looks like units basically exist to make the hero units look cooler.
>>341059272
I think you need to re-read what I wrote so you can fully comprehend it, and then kill yourself.
>>341042318
>Graphics wise it looks like a moba.
The fuck does that mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsl2k0E9XM
jesus christ what the fuck is that
>>341039707
Literally all they had to do was make Company of Warhammer 40,000: Larger Scale and it would have been 10/10 GOTYAY.
But no, they listened to the goddamn DoW 1 fags who are obsessed with 'muh epig battuls' and view anything that isn't exactly like DoW 1 with uncontrollable rage.
>>341061836
They honestly shouldn't ever show pre-alpha gameplay.
>>341060432
Kill myself? Not before you start working the fields, dirty nigger!
>>341061907
Yeah I dunno man #compstomperlivesmatter I guess.
>>341062748
What AAA game in the past 10 years had much better gameplay and/or graphics than what they showed in "pre-alpha" reveal footage?
Pre-alpha doesn't mean what it used to. Pre-alpha barely had anything implemented, full of placeholder assets and animations everywhere. Pre-alpha nowadays means what's shown is pretty much feature complete and playable, it's just that what's not shown is missing.
>>341050630
>You get DOOM support BUT it has season pass and no SP expansions yet
This was known ever since the Season pass was announced. Also snapmap is getting free updates to give it more singleplayer features such as more weapons.
Also didn't people want a return to DoW 1 style of gameplay? Why is everyone now bitching about it?
>>341064719
>didn't people want a return to DoW 1 style of gameplay
Sort of, the people what whined about how 2 was to great a changed yelled the loudest and the longest.
I had zero issues with the focus on smaller unit caps and great focus on abilities in 2, but the way that 3 looks like its some terrible middle ground pleases no one and just looks off.
The scale is off, the speed of everything is off. It just looks like somethings 18 months from being playable, and thus not really worth showing off.
tl;dr Never listen to the people whiniest the most.
>>341061836
>Knight Titan opens up with a 'horizontal spray' attack like the DoW 2 Dreadnought's Assault Cannon
>does less damage to the Eldar than the Assault Cannon's ability did in DoW 2
>two Devastator squads open up on Guardians/Dire Avengers (couldn't really tell) with goddamn fucking Multi-Meltas
>they take absolutely no damage whatsoever
But the basic flamer is apparently an instagib death machine, so that's something. I know it's pre-alpha and so weapon balance is several lightyears away from 'done', but this is some super basic stuff that should be there from the start.
>bitching about dow3 looking cartoony
>when dawn of war looked cartoony as fuck
>>341065634
Probably just showing off animations and weapon effects. Admittedly the knight striking a pose is a bit disconcerting.
Planetary Annihilation will have ruined me for this.
Pretty much any RTS where I can't zoom out to see the entire map, and has a unit cap sucks to me now.
>>341065634
Not to mention drop pods landing on top of eldars doing no damage what so ever.
>>341053219
Real is no longer brown.
>>341039707
>this video is private
>>341067153
Nah, fuck it. Always hated this mass spam shit.
>>341067969
See
>>341061836
For vid
>>341068197
>mass spam shit
>Warhammer
>not about mass spam shit
You know fuck all about the lore.
>>341065558
I think DoW II was a step in both the right and the wrong direction, personally. The raft of CoH-style combat improvements were excellent and really brought the game in line with how the 'sharp end' of 40k combat actually is, but the scale was too small for my tastes after the first game.
I was hoping for maybe something like Company of Heroes-sized armies and maps but something like 1.5x bigger. That would really hit the sweetspot between scale and depth IMO, DoW II was just too small.
Incidentally my favourite DoW II mod is one that simply increases unit sizes, adds a builder unit to each faction that makes field defenses, makes weapons consistent (e.g. a Heavy Bolter on a Leman Russ does the same damage as one held by a Space Marine minus the suppression), and adds in some extra goodies like Rhinos and Vindicators for good measure.
>>341068772
Elite mod is my favourite DoW2 mod but I'm a multiplayer guy.
>>341061836
>Think /v/ is overreacting as usual
>mfw I watch it
You fuckers weren't joking, that looks god awful
>>341068545
Lore has nothing to do with gameplay and TA will never come close to WH battles.
>>341068772
what mod? does it make bodies stay as well?
>>341061836
This looks good. What are you sperging about?
Someone with 1337 microsoft paint skills should make him frowning
>>341069561
>Lore has nothing to do with gameplay
>being arbitrarily limited by an obscenely tiny unit cap is an improvement
Top kek, there is not a single universe where you are correct, faggot.
>>341068545
And neither do you. Combat between two organised factions is almost always WWII-style small unit tactics, just on a massive scale. Go read a book about the Imperial Guard - basically any of them - and the combat is always, always WWII style.
Also, Space Marines? In a gigantic campaign to take an entire planet, one hundred of them taking part is considered to be a LOT of Space Marines. 'Mass spam shit' indeed.
>>341069759
Great Hammer v2 for Retribution on Mod DB. I don't remember if it makes bodies stay though, I haven't played in a while.
>>341070458
>flavour over gameplay
Your opinion is not the "objectively correct" one, faggot.
>>341071050
>just on a massive scale
Did you not read what you posted?
>>341071156
>being in control of thousands of units isn't gameplay
Incredibly retarded.
>>341071410
Massive scale =/= 'mass spam', and most certainly not the DoW 1 gameplay he was alluding to.
>>341066170
the word you're looking for is "stylized"
people are just complaining that it looks too colorful and not serious enough, and thats a legitimate grievance. W40K was never meant to be a realistic setting, but it is meant to be grim and take itself seriously for the most part. DoW3 having a Starcraft 2-esque art style doesn't fit the setting.
>>341039707
Why are people getting so hot and bothered over this? the graphics are strange, yes, but the rest looks like what one would expect after DoW1-2.
Is it the herd mentality playing tricks on anons?
>>341072242
>it is meant to be grim and take itself seriously for the most par
sweet Emprah no
also it looks much better than SC2
>>341071802
>Massive scale =/= 'mass spam'
Well anon, in PA, because you have no unit cap, you can DO that massive scale. Not true in DoW 1 OR 2. Sure you can build a fucking huge swarm of whatever the fuck and just send them to the enemy, but that's a good way to get rekt if you are playing against any good players.
I'd rather see an improvement rather than go back to the same small time shit.
>>341059059
>graphics in general are shite
First off, no they aren't the game looks good, but since your use of shite queues me in on you being a Europoor, you wouldn't know something that looks good that bites you in the ass.
Secondly the general complaint has been art. That includes the fucking map itself. Fuck off back to your hole and go suck some Arab cock so you don't upset them.
>>341072597
In universe it does. From where we're sitting we see how tongue in cheek it is, but none of the characters in the setting see it that way. For them it's super serious grim darkness.
>>341072834
You do know there are highly developed, rich countries in Europe, right?
>>341070458
TA suck balls and your taste is shit. Fact.
>>341072978
We aren't in-setting. It's an RTS game where you direct the armies from above, above even their canon commanders.
>>341072597
>sweet Emprah no
there are a few exceptions to the rule like Orks, but my point stands
>also it looks much better than SC2
graphics-wise sure, because its a much newer game. it has a similar art direction though, the colorful clean and sterile look that SC2 had really turned me off.
of course you can say that SC2 had better graphics than SC1, thats an objectively correct statement, but I would say that SC1 had better aesthetics and a better art direction, thats my opinion.
>>341072978
this hit the nail on the head. to us, W40K is ridiculous and over the top, but its portrayal should have a more serious tone than the art style in the gameplay/screenies we've see would suggest.
>>341072978
Commissar Cain would want a word with you
>>341073523
The delusional "facts" a dumb faggot has to offer mean nothing. Make the world a much healthier place and kill yourself.
>>341073787
SC1 has better aesthetics than SC2. DoW 3 has better aesthetics too. It has bright colors, but is more detailed and the unit proportions don't seem as exaggerated. Just looks better to me.
>>341053589
Tabletop is shit. The lore pretty much flat out demonstrates that tabletop isn't even an accurate depiction of what the battle in 40k looks like in terms of scale. It's fine if you like the inferior version but don't pretend like the 15 space marines you could control in 2 was an accurate representation of 40k.
>>341074385
>SC1 has better aesthetics than SC2
LOL
>HALO WARS LOOKS LIKE A BETTER RTS THAN DOW3
Relic up in flames
>>341074385
this sc2 looks like complete trash everything nu-Blizzard makes is fucking trash.
>>341039707
>video is private
>>341073820
I'm sure there are exceptions for sure, but they're notable because they're exceptions.
Yarrick wasn't like "lol isn't this claw fucking silly" he was using psychological warfare against the orks.
>>341074536
this is true SC2 looks like some gender fluid dream.
>>341041369
Jesus christ, that artstyle
>>341071050
>Combat between two organised factions is almost always WWII-style small unit tactics
And you actually want this in an RTS?
I thought warhammerfags liked WAR? Not pansy babby faggot shit.
>>341074441
The lore demonstrations literally ever scale of combat you retard.
>>341074880
>>341074653
Sorry anon but your taste just plain sucks balls.
>>341074441
>The lore pretty much flat out demonstrates that tabletop isn't even an accurate depiction of what the battle in 40k looks like in terms of scale
A tabletop battle represents a slice of a much larger battle taking place over a huge area. This has always been the case.
>but don't pretend like the 15 space marines you could control in 2 was an accurate representation of 40k.
You're right. 20 Space Marines is a much more accurate representation of the average Space Marine engagement in the lore. They don't run around in massive blobs you fucking dunce, a hundred of them is considered enough to kick the shit out of an average planet's defences by themselves.
>>341074385
the units themselves in DoW3 look good and detailed, I just think the level design is very lack-luster and in general the colors are too bright and over-saturated. this might just be a difference in opinion between me and you, but I think the current look isn't fitting to the 40k setting.
>>341074536
all of Blizzard's newer work has had this very cartoony, sterile, and boring art style. It's no good, I think Diablo 3 could have been a lot better of a game if Blizzard North had done the art direction instead.
>>341074653
yeah, the new blizzard art style is garbage.
>>341075338
go play overwatch you cuck.
>>341076116
Go fondle your castrated brain you delusional aspie.
>>341074536
I have to agree with him. I hate the SC2 artstyle. Everything looks like a cartoon.
The supply depots in 1 look like a human made structure with steel beams while SC2 looks like a giant colorful box.
>>341061836
>giant mech mowing down xenoscum
>sperger complain about graphic
heretic will never see the Emperor greater plan
>>341076546
Well to me the supply depots in 1 look like a sprite.
>>341039707
DoW2 probably had the worst SP strategy campaign of all time.
It can not be worse than that.
>>341076546
go use ENB brown filter mod you autist fuck
>>341075853
>I just think the level design is very lack-luster
You are basing it on like 30 seconds of alpha footage of a tutorial mission...
>all of Blizzard's newer work has had this very cartoony, sterile, and boring art style
Yeah, I actually think it fits Overwatch pretty well since the game itself is very cartoony. With Starcraft and Diablo, not the best choice.
>Diablo 3 could have been a lot better of a game if Blizzard North had done the art direction instead
Or Grinding Gear Games...
>>341057263
People said the same sort of thing about the art style going into Diablo 3. And then we found out that they were absolutely right, and somehow the change in art style reflected a larger change in gameplay and story telling, i.e. it all became shit. Outright shit.
>>341074536
It does though. The supposedly ramshackle terrans are all sleek and clean. The alien protoss look like WoW PCs and the terrifying zerg look like some big reptiles rather than unholy abominations.
>>341077717
>unholy abominations
They look like small cockroaches in the first starcraft.
>>341061836
is that a woman in SpaceMarine armor in the end piloting Knight ?
>>341077175
SC2 has better aesthetics (not to be confused with graphics) then SC1 because a brown filter mod for other games exist?
Are you retarded?
>>341077175
>just use a mod to make this dead as fuck shit game look good
fuck you
>>341076620
I'd say that 'mowing down' is an incredibly generous way of describing it. Those Eldar were taking barely any damage at all.
>>341078295
I'm going to commence a dump, feel free to interject.
>>341078838
you really shouldnt use a press teaser as any kind of judgment about balance.
>>341078934
Yep. Cockroaches. Left half looks like army ants.
>>341077175
graphic filters like ENB or reshade can't change everything about a game's aesthetics.
>PC gaming is so dead, their biggest worthwhile exclusives are F2P MOBA inspired "games"
>this is the only game Sega will PUBLISH for PC in 2016, aside from a port of some ancient ass game no one wanted
>meanwhile, they've announced dozens of upcoming PS4 exclusives
Why you fuckers keep saying Sega is so "based" when they clearly don't give a shit about PC?
>>341078312
Just the normal 'interfacing with the machine' suit that you need to pilot a Titan by yourself.
>>341079830
lol dude, you're bringing out fan art now?
>>341079830
That's not a good art, it looks like poop. And I mean literally. I like SC1 artstyle too, but eh.
>>341080258
I actually like Mr Jack's arts as well, though they can be a bit overdetailed, like Hydralisk.
Okay that art style looks absolutely retarded. 40k has an established art style used in literally every single game and the table top. How the FUCK do you manage to fuck that up? I seriously want an explanation.
>>341040976
>The main focus point is the imperial knight and the HQ unit, all the other units and literally just a complete mess of shit smashing into each other, they're just kind of standing there shooting each other.
so it's just like tabletop you sperg shit
>>341057952
>All retconned out of existence in the 2nd edition
Read 7th ed Ork dex, it's pretty much still there. The Chaos Daemon dex is also fucking hilarious at times.
is it literally just lining your units up in front of each other and the person with the most dps wins?
>>341081110
It's the highly refined, utterly impeccable gameplay of Dawn of War 1, anon, and it is perfect in every way.
Do not criticise it.
>>341080987
What am I looking at here? This is obviously not the sprite they use in game.
>>341053589
Because it's far more epic and more akin to the stories and lore having loads of units in battle as opposed to nothing but small skirmish battles.
>>341051369
Gotta agree with this, there's also a total lack of weight in how the units move (one would expect the knight to leave behind craters) weapons seem to do pewpew and even bolters have no impact at all, though this might change because it's pre-alpha, I have no faith in modern relic, this is not the relic of homeworld,dow1,coh1.
>>341081908
Engine render
>>341067153
what is the point of zooming out to see the entire map when you can just look at the minimap in the corner of the screen?
I got the impression from the CG trailer that this would have LOADS of units.
Instead I got Skirmishhammer 40
>>341083207
Because then you don't feel like your head is strapped 20 cm away from the desk you are sitting on.
>>341061836
>game is said to play a bit like Warcraft
>gameplay looks like Warcraft
>wah, wah, it looks like DOTA
All the people complaining about the armies lining up and shooting at each other as not being very warhammer 40k like NEED TO GO PLAY THE FUCKING TABLETOP GAME. God damn you morons thats exactly what the game is like, two lines of shit firing at each other, there is no maneuver or movement, its all gunlines. Just be glad they will attempt to balance this shit for real. Right now the Tabletop is eldar >>>> everyone else
>>341079320
You're right, balance will very likely change. What is more disheartening is that the attack itself seemed to carry no weight. Compare it to the DoW2 assault cannon attack and you should see what I'm saying
>>341083818
>RTS game must have the same gameplay of an irl turn based tt game
based retard
>>341083543
>Instead I got Skirmishhammer 40
It looks the exact same size as DoW 1 you bitch. Why does everybody bitch that its not goddamn SupCom? Has literally anybody on /v/ played the tabletop?
>>341084667
Maybe because it's current year and for the shit graphics they went I would expect a fuck huge scale?
Otherwise just mod dow2 to have 3x the squad sizes and you get a DoW3 with better gameplay and graphics.
>>341083818
>two lines of shit firing at each other, there is no maneuver or movement, its all gunlines
Yeah, if you bring an army based around being a gunline that is (unsurprisingly) what happens. And if you're playing based on holding objectives or table area (which you should be) then there's a ton of moving around to get the best positions otherwise you lose.
Oh, and even if both sides are gunlines they don't just sit there waving their asses in the open like a bunch of idiots. Everyone is behind cover or in buildings, unlike DoW 1/3.
>>341084667
>It looks the exact same size as DoW 1 you bitch
So why don't I fucking just play DoW 1 you fucking dumb sperg?
If I wanted to play the fucking tabletop, I would have done so, but I was told this was an RTS, not a fucking RTT.
>>341084667
>Why does everybody bitch that its not goddamn SupCom
Because when people want a car, it's disappointing to get a tricycle.
>>341078312
marines don't pilot knights
knights have basically nothing to do with marines, except being on the same side and working with each other when ordered, so them being part of the SM roster is kinda stupid, but whatever
>That shit framerate when showing off the game live on PC Gamer Show
I can't even defend this
>>341050259
Thin your paints.
>No cover mechanics shown
>Only about eight unit types shown
>No harlequins
My hype is deflated.
>>341086072
>pre alpha
retard.
>Gabe's voice acting
>>341053589
>Why is it that most 40kbabbies don't actually play 40k?
are you implying that 40k tabletop only has you field small amounts of space marines? because that's not even close to true.
hell, the battle demi-company formation alone has more marines than all of DoW 2
>>341087328
The narrator says there's not going to be a cover system. They just want you to keep moving.
>>341087328
Those buildings the assault Marines jumped into are cover, idiot. Read the PC gamer day of reveal article
>>341085849
I don't really feel like massive scale makes for good gameplay generally speaking. Supcom works because few units have abilities or do anything other than A move. A warhammer game with no abilities would suck. I can guarantee you're not capable of using the abilities of 100s of units effectively. I will always put gameplay over spectacle.
>Gabriel doing a FUCKING BACKFLIP HAMMER SMASH IN TERMINATOR ARMOUR
AND THERE ARE PEOPLE DEFENDING THIS AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>341085975
The Knight being in the Space Marine roster is easily explainable by 'these Space Marines asked/convinced a Knight House to give them support in their campaign', since that's what's going on every time a Knight shows up alongside Imperial forces of any kind.
why does it look like that
>>341085975
>knights have basically nothing to do with marines, except being on the same side and working with each other when ordered, so them being part of the SM roster is kinda stupid, but whatever
it's simple. it was a gift
>Terminator jumps and spins hammer in air.
Lore rape, meet awesomesauce
>>341088092
Dont have problem with it. If the game is good when its launched il buy it. Too early to say. dont really care if the lore is not 100% correct. If i want pure 40k i play tabletop.
>Shitty Knight Gallant
>Not glorious Knight Lancer
Should have been a HH game
>>341083778
My reaction exactly.
>>341087803
>Read the PC gamer day of reveal article
No. Shit like that is always filled with the sort of BS you see on live stages but editorialized so it's not so blatant.
Skepticism for life!
>>341088092
It's probably a modified suit of catphractii, one that doesn't prevent fast movements and jumps. like what papa smurf has.
>>341087745
>They just want you to keep moving.
Man, that makes it double bad that there's no (shown) Harlequins, those magnificent cunts are the epitome of dynamic movement in the setting.
>>341087803
Nah, I avoid articles like that, their narrative is usually pretty fluffed up
>>341087848
You have never played any RTS with any friends.
In PA for example, I would focus on building shit and pumping out units, and a few other friends would focus on commanding their portion of the army. In fact at one point when there was just 3 of us, we split the armies up into air units + orbital and ground forces, and had one guy be the general for all ground units, and the other the air and orbital. It was fucking amazing.
Also we tried out having a dude in commander position (doesn't move troops around, but just oversees literally everything happening on the field and just gives out orders on what we need and where we need it), doesn't work for any serious game vs skilled players because you need those extra APM, but against pubs it was pretty fucking sweet.
You cannot play games of this scale alone. And working together makes it a billion times more fun.
post your models /v/
>>341087848
Ackshually SupCom units do have more than enough active abilities, just people don't use them until high level because there's a lot of shit going on
SupCom is very complete as a game.
Who /tabletop/ here?
>>341089906
I would, but I wouldn't want you to get any vomit over your keyboard
>>341040976
>having a brain aneurysm during one of the greatest moments of gamekind.
I feel for you anon
>>341041520
all I want is the coh1 perfect medium. not the clusterfuck of the first game, but neither the moba-lite second, just a large enough pop cap, micro with a bit of depth, and a diverse choose of units.
>>341089997
Emperor's Children, right?
>>341089906
Heresy 4 lyf
Its like 40k but not garbage
>>341039707
We do. It's called the tabletop you fucking poorfag
>>341091140
>7th edition 40k
>the game we deserve
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ha
>>341089921
What are some of the abilities? Not that guy btw just curious. It's been ages since I casually played SupCom and I forget.
>>341039707
Jesus Christ. They actually listened to you shallow fuckboys who complained about Dawn Of War 2's scale. Cuz everybody wanted to go back to base building (which makes ZERO sense in the context of 40k) and blob moving RTS combat with non-existent depth. Fuck you guys. Seriously, fuck each and every one of you whiny little faggots who complained about DoW 2 in the dumbest away imaginable. I bet you idiots didn't play DoW 1 long enough to even make a comment on how much depth it had and just wanted BIG NUMBERS CLUSTERFUCK. You are also the same group of faggots who never really played the game for long and just posted about that in nostalgia Dawn Of War threads (cuz that's what they were, none of you believed me when I said DoW 3's coming, too btw.)
I don't want a potentially good game to be ruined because of some faggots nostalgia and their halfassed perception of 40k numbers (no, not every battle was some Horus Heresy style planetary 1000s of troops per side thing. A single entire Space Marine chapter only holds 1000 troops, and each division of each chapter has even less so even the DoW 2 numbers were actually okay.)
>>341043813
Holy shit, it looks cel-shaded or literally out of a comic.
>>341089997
VIII Legion reporting in.
>>341091803
>with non-existent depth
lol
You don't even know what depth is you stupid faggot.
>>341091649
>implying Shoothammer is any better than Meleehammer was a few editions ago
Not OP, but you have no argument unless you're going back to super early editions.
>>341092079
Thumbnail made it look like a filth covered keyboard.
>>341092079
How old are you? And generally the people who still play with these little toy soldiers? Not to judge, just curious.
>>341092219
Its not about shoothammer vs meleehammer
Its about the balance being so fucked its absurd.
>>341092539
it's got quite an aging playerbase really.
>>341092219
the quality of the basic rules isn't the problem.
it's the codex balances.
like the state of orks or nids or CSM
>>341092539
>>341092539
>toy soldiers?
hahahha nigger, this shit costs more than gold, no joke.
>>341093636
As hobbies go, 40k is a lot cheaper than a surprising amount of 'mainstream' hobbies such as fishing and golfing.
>>341058365
literally butthurt blizzcucks.
>>341050630
>it's not really grimndark
Good, because currently it's actually grimderp where everything is DOOMED and there is absolutely no hope.
I'd rather if they implanted some of the comedy of Ciaphas Cain and gave a tiny glimmer of hope for the galaxy instead of main Nids fleet coming in/Necrons awakening cranky as hell/Chaos Gods literally tasting victory.
>>341092081
Yeah sure. Doing generic blob vs blob is sssooo much depth. DoW 2's tactical gameplay>>>>DoW 1's baby tier OMG SO MANY NUMBERS. Shit, like the video's only a few minutes long, and maybe there is more interesting gameplay depth they have yet to show, but there's none of it in this video.
>>341092593
The balance has been stupid levels of fucked since 5e though.
>>341093387
Not necessarily. The 5e general rules helped out melee based army builds, compared to now where melee gets absolutely zero benefit essentially so shoot heavy armies like Eldar and Tau dominate. Though with the Orks you got a point; I still wonder why they have non-existent armor.
>>341092539
I am 23, and was only able to get into the hobby after graduating college and getting myself a career based job. Tabletop miniatures, particular GW's in this case, are very expensive and not really suited for children unless they have rich ass parents.
>>341092539
The only place where 40k is played by kids is the UK where the stereotype is that it's for rich boys who have access to too much of daddy's money.
Everywhere else adults play it
>>341092539
You try painting one of these things and then poke fun at the people who play
>Knights for SM
>when SM already have dreadnoughts
why
>Torchlight 2-tier ground textures
WHY
>god-awful voice acting when DoW1 and DoW2 series were literally know as the RTS games with the best VA ever
WHY?!
>>341094174
>Doing generic blob vs blob is sssooo much depth
Just confirming what I already know m8. You don't even know what depth is.
>>341091649
As a tau player I'm pretty happy with the state of things
>>341087745
>not going to be a cover system. They just want you to keep moving.
Makes sense for SM. But IG will need it in the expansion.
>>341092539
>And generally the people who still play with these little toy soldiers?
30+.
it's ok we still have Space Hulk Deathwing r-right g-guys?
>>341094417
I know right? And people in this thread are actually defending this hahahahaha
Terminators doing backflips
hahahahaha
>>341095343
>playing anything other than Blood Bowl 2
>>341094585
Still haven't proven me wrong. There are very little big time game changing abilities in DoW 1 that are in DoW 2 which can lead two same armies to play completely differently similar to tabletop/lore.
>>341095024
You think SM don't need cover against the kind of firepower ranged specialists like certain Eldar and Tau can support? Or Necrons?
>>341094417
>knights and dreadnoughts even being comparable
>>341095290
On a side note if this pic should definitely help some of you MUH NUMBERS guys who infinitely hate DoW 2 see how large numbers is rare both in tabletop and lore.
>>341095658
In vidya terms they are: big stompy mech.
>>341094417
>Knights for SM
>when SM already have dreadnoughts
I wonder if Knights will end up being a shared super-heavy walker for IG if/when they're added. But what's wrong with Knights? They're the right size fordying toWraithknights.
But now I imagine the DoW3 reveal trailer without Imperial Knights, but with a bunch of dreadnoughts rushing in and dying before even getting close to a WK.
>>341095912
DOW2 haters are the worst shitstains. wh40k threads are chill as fuck and they ruin them.
>>341094417
>>Knights for SM
>>when SM already have dreadnoughts
>why
Because the game will be including units that are going to be heavy walker/gargantuan creature tier, so a Knight is logical.
>>Torchlight 2-tier ground textures
>WHY
Devs said that graphics themselves were done so to make large battles at the cost of quality.
>>god-awful voice acting when DoW1 and DoW2 series were literally know as the RTS games with the best VA ever
>WHY?!
Don't look at me.
>>341096094
>he doesn't like bigger and stompier mechs
get out of my boardya git
>>341095912
Meanwhile in 30k...
DLC Faction hopes and dreams
>Turn the Kroot into their own faction
>Getting the Tau back
>Rogue Trader faction
>>341096574
>>Rogue Trader faction
literally wat
>>341045613
Exactly this, the game is gonna be shit because of the DoW1 shit crowd.
You killed Dawn of War, fucking cancer kids.
>>341096489
>so a Knight is logical.
It's not, space marines are shock units and lore wise they are stronger than most races, their gameplay approach could've have been strong early game into weak late game when other faction field the heavies.
>>341096560
Are those Iron Hands vs Emperor's Children?
>>341095343
Reposting:
>>>/tg/47755315
I didn't think that there would come a day when Eternal Crusade seemed more enjoyable than DoW 3.
But here we are. I am having a blast in EC, and the video in Op is nothing but disappointing.
>>341096778
>Not wanting to fight with the power of MONEY
No chance of ever happening but come on. A faction that uses a mix of factions' toys they brought or stole.
I don't know what it was about the trailer, but it just didn't quite win me over. I don't know who to describe it except that i think it looked lame and dull.
>>341097453
Just like modern 40k art
>>341097126
That's great for you anon. Are they still planning on open world or is that never going to happen? That's the big reason I got interested in EC.
>>341096898
You know that there are weapons that can make Land Raiders and Termie Armors a mockery (like Wraithknights and their Skathach versions)? Hence why marines will need some more serious firepower.
Space Marines have a history of working with Knights. Even some rescued Vladimir, former Chapter Master of the IFs, from being assassinated by Eldar.
Also there are Freeblades that stick with Chapters. There is one that has very close ties with the Iron Hands.
Stop being so butthurt.
>>341097038
The Legion IH colors are little more different than current IH colors so it was hard for me to realize it at first.
>>341097985
>we will never go back
>>341098371
Never, ever.
>>341098167
I wouldn't place too much hopes on the open world, not at launch at least. It is a pity, but at this point, I take what I can get in regards to 40k games. EC delivers decent enough combat and lets me play as a friggin Striking Scorpion, which is enough for me right now.
This game's development has been a mess, and I am glad that there is at least some sort of playable thing they have made that is actually rather fun, if you take for what it is, and not what it could have been.
At least it didn't end up like Dark Millenium online.
>>341098368
>black library fanfiction
lolno, also that what steel rain is for, they drop in the hot zones and get out.
Contrary to what we've seen in the dow games they are supposed to be a very strong and fast factions that falls off in conflicts that take the long route without the support of IG/mechanicus when it comes to heavy stuff like baneblades,titans etc.
>>341096375
True that.
>>341096560
30k's a completely different story. Like I said, most people's FUCK HUEG perception of Warhammer battles probably comes from this. Not to mention that I wouldn't mind if Dawn Of War 3 does super big scale 30k style if they approach it somewhat like how 30k tabletop does (ENORMOUS variety in approach and strategy instead of blob vs blob.)
>>341096778
You do know that 1st edition 40k was called Rogue Trader, where players were essentially Rogue Traders who had a variety of troops ranging from Space Marines to Eldar mercenaries. Idk how well it would translate in the game though since we can already play as a bunch of different factions but on their own. Maybe as a jack of all trades type?
>>341099001
>>black library fanfiction
That was literally in the Knight Codex.
>>341098371
>tfw you have to 1v1 a daemon prince/greater daemon
wew
![e40941024d4147559ae3dd2fb841efb7[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/dc9PcwZ.png "e40941024d4147559ae3dd2fb841efb7[1]")
What the fuck is THAT?
Is this some latest power armor addition? It looks lame as fuck
>>341098984
Open world is confirmed post-launch. My onpy big issue with the devs are that they released Eldar WAAAY too early. I was on Founder's Server and it seemed like they changed very little between then and now outside of balancing.
>>341095624
>Still haven't proven me wrong.
Retard is talking shit like 2+2=5 and asking other people to prove him wrong as if they should give a fuck about some brainless cunt talking shit.
Let me give it to you straight, faggot. DEPTH is the level of complexity within a game. Which means that the more depth a game has the more possible outcomes and situations it can hold within it at any point, since complexity is about how much different shit is possible. Now true, a blob of whatever doesn't sound very complex and throwing it at something is just as retarded and seems simple right? BUT THE ABILITY TO DO SO DOES NOT MEAN THAT SOMETHING IS NOT COMPLEX YOU FUCKWIT. There is no point in playing out some ridiculous tactic with a huge amount of troops. If you can simply swarm all over an enemy to kill them because they haven't built enough troops, then why the fuck not? Building a ton of units is the first fucking tactic in the book of all tactics, you UTTER. FUCKING. IMBECILE. It is only once troop size is not enough that you begin to exploit weaknesses and have to think about army arrangement and positioning to MAXIMISE YOUR PROFITS. YOU FUCKING SLUG.
In summa, THE CAPACITY FOR A GAME TO LET A PLAYER PLAY LIKE A SIMPLE RETARD DOES NOT MEAN THAT A GAME IS SIMPLE. And in case your FEEEBLE fucking braincell cannot understand, I am talking about what he might choose to do with the mechanics of the game rather than what the game requires him to do to win. BECAUSE YOU ARE PLAYING AGAINST ANOTHER HUMAN, HENCE YOU NEED TO BE BETTER THAN THEM rather than the GAME.
I just cannot hammer into you just how mindbogglingly stupid you and your fucking breathing carcass that your brain is currently melting inside of truly IS.
If I could I would shoot you, regardless of what hell I would be condemned to because it would be worth it to rid the universe of such utter scum.
>Chapter Master being playable and not being an OP piece of shit
>game is literally warcraft 3
I don't know how to feel.
Also the voice acting was terrible.
>>341099429
It's ok, Warlock's have the Sheev spin so they can't lose.
>>341099436
it's supposed to be mk8 power armour
>>341099453
So...I am still right because beyond that point DoW 2 has far more to offer with a wider range of abilities and more types of weapons that make a bigger difference beyond just "vehicle weak to rockets, heavy weak to plasma, standard infantry weak to heavy bolter" stuff?
>>341099436
Mark VIII armour has been around since forever, man. How have you only noticed it now?
>>341095024
read a fucking book, SMs take cover all the time, this fucking meme is just a shitty excuse by relic to not bother putting in a cover system into Space Marine
besides, try to play the game that way, chaos enemies will chew you up before you get anywhere close to them, especially on hard, so you have to sit in cover and peak out to kill one or two dudes anyway only being able to charge in when most are dead
>>341065634
>It's pre-alpha, so it's understandable that proper damage and balancing hasn't been implemented yet
>But it's bullshit that proper damage and balancing haven't been implemented yet
>>341039707
>that aesthetic
Why?
>>341100335
>that single boob
>>341100318
>>341100087
I had seen it before, but I mainly remembered the armored collar, not the chest cover.
Idk, it just feels wrong. I guess it's because all the other armors share that iconic look.
>>341100871
What do you expect from a Slaaneshi?
>>341100420
That is still an incredibly piss-poor excuse for showing a multi-melta doing literally nothing to a Guardian/Dire Avenger. There's 'proper damage' and then there's something so hilariously obviously wrong that it should never have made past the concept stage at any time in development.
>More Space Marine/Eldar shit
>No Freelancer-esque Rogue Trader game
>>341100149
>beyond that point
HOLY FUCK LEARN ENGLISH YOU FUCKING CUNT
WHAT POINT?
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
YOU CAN'T EVEN BUILD MORE THAN 100 UNITS YOU FUCKING SLUG
HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO FUCKING THOUSANDS IN SUPREME COMMANDER, WHICH YOU CAN FUCKING PLACE ANYWHERE, MAKE FORWARD BASES WITH, ETC. ETC.
>OMG BIG NUMBERS CLUSTERFUCK
Just kill yourself anon.
>no beep boops
>>341101089
It' supposed to be the pinnacle of Power Armour design, which is why it has the fully armoured stomach covering and none of the others do.
>>341101458
What does this have to do with Supreme Commander? SupCom and Total Annihilation are large scale RTSs done right. Nigga you just pulled some /pol/ level bullshit that you somehow went from DoW 1 and 3 to fucking SupCom.
>>341097126
did those old item codes they gave out at some event in 2013 end up being anything interesting? think I still have mine written down somewhere
>>341101458
>caps
>being this mad
'sup newfag
>>341101353
I know right?
We could've gotten a Dark Heresy RPG Noir/Mass Effect with close combat, riddles and cases.
We could've gotten a Rouge Trader Fleet Sim/RPG.
We could've gotten an actual Deathwatch RPG with ARPG combat.
We could've gotten a Only War RPG wargame.
We could've gotten a Knight Titan game that is Mechwarrior with CQC.
BUT NOPE. WHY ISN'T ANYONE TRYING AT ALL?
At least BFG Armada tried something and did well.
>>341099436
what do you expect? the technology is lost and the empire is slowly degrading
>>341102439
I just want a lot of units anon
>>341102024
My current project
>>341102764
It must suck to be a fucking pathetic emotionless husk, floating every which way on the breeze of faggotry.
>>341103501
My current GS project
>>341102978
Sins Of A Solar Empire if you never played it? That Ashes Of The Singularity game?
>>341104946
Well I meant in a Warhammer game.
>>341104267
>Dorn
More like Dork. He's a fag and his legion sucks ass.
>>341105490
You know he can fortify everything?
And by everything, I mean EVERYTHING?
>>341105490
You suck ass.
>>341105981
Yeah, my inner Iron Warrior got better of me. Shouldn't be that rude even due to intoxication.
>>341105312
Total War? Though we are shit out of luck in a way for Dawn Of War/40k. It's like I said in another post, if the approach would be like 30k tabletop (numbers are huge, but there's a ridiculous amount of difference in approach/strategy per faction) I would be down. That's what I initially wanted. Big numbers is cool, but if only it doesn't always resort to just blobs hitting each other. Who knows, maybe this new game is capable of this, but what they showed us didn't really show that at all.
>>341105981
>>341104267
Lmao fuck Dorn this nigga got his shit wrecked during the Iron Cage thing. My nigga Uriel Ventris of the Ultramarines used a minuscule faction of people to also get into an Iron Warriors fortress to have most of his peeps SURVIVE.
>>341106334
Man, I didn't see that one in ages.
>>341107247
Perty had a hard life.
>>341107386
>Lmao fuck Dorn this nigga got his shit wrecked during the Iron Cage thing.
Because he fell for Perty's ruse and trolling.
>>341107247
>my inner iron warrior
sounds like possession to me
>>341107386
>but if only it doesn't always resort to just blobs hitting each other
Well that's kinda what total war comes down to when compared with stuff like supcom and PA. I need to get my PSU fixed before I play the one that just came out anyway, been hammering it for far too long and neglecting to upgrade it way past its use by date.
IMPERIAL GUARD
THE CALL TO BATTLE
>all these people yelling "muh pre-alpha"
pre-alpha might fix the overall quality of the graphics but i sincerely doubt they're going to give up their cartoony as fuck approach to this
>>341108437
dumb furry poster
>>341108648
posting a gif of a hedgehog now makes you a furry on neo /v/?
>>341109506
>autist can't read between the lines
the neo-/v/ is you
>>341108041
Try out the new one. There are enough abilities/skills between the variety of factions and units to make it interesting. It's not just "send blob of cavalry to win" like previous Total Wars.
>>341107657
Of he fell for it. Cuz Dorn's a scrub...a scrub with an army in 30k that has a stupidly simple yet almost OP passive ability.
>"ITS PRE ALPHA THEYLL FIX THE FRAME RATE YOU TROLLS"
>Trusting Relic when it comes to frame rate
Look at CoH 2 it runs like absolute shit and it's over 3 years old. DoW 3 will run the same no doubt.
Also
>Sega
Don't forget that day 1 DLC
And if you were looking forward to the multiplayer then you can forget that. Relic literally had to turn to the community to balance CoH 2 because even after 3 years they couldn't fix it.
DoW 3 more like DoA 3
>>341109804
>a scrub with an army in 30k that has a stupidly simple yet almost OP passive ability.
I wouldn't say that about our beloved Spaniard/Mexican Marines, our even bigger combat masochists that are nearly Sons of Antaneus's levels of durable, or the space Teutons that get faster to you the more you shoot them. Oh, and don't forget the space barbarians.
Check what Chapters I mentioned.
>>341110394
>>Trusting Relic when it comes to frame rate
They did fine with the other 10 DoW games.
>>341039707
Well I don't speak Germab, but I think it looks pretty cool so far. What don't you like?
>>341040976
Strategy in what's obviously a tutorial mission? Big beefy units being more powerful than regular infantry wow who would have thought?!?!?!?!?! Your graphics complaint may be the worst of your terrible post; lighting and particle effects look really good, and the oversaturated less grimdark style reminds me of the rocknroll bullshit WH40K was in the beginning, and I honestly like it. We have just about 0 information about the gameplay, but if you think it'll be drastically different from the first two you're probably wrong if I had to guess. They seem to even have brought back some base building, something we asked for.
>>341074441
>>341082358
this is wrong though, space marine chapters only have around a thousand battle brothers, unless your counting the pre heresy battles.
>>341110680
>10 DoW games
But there are six. SS was made by Iron Lore (the guys who did Titan Quest).
>>341111159
I seriously want a HH game. But not a normal one, but a Grand Strategy one.
Guys look, a new DoW 3 screenshot
>>341110394
it's been 10 years and even the first game still isn't balanced
>>341113562
butthurt brit noob spotted
WHY NO PAUL DUBSON?! FUCK RUINED GABRIEL
Looks like persistant bodies is on bois
reminder
>>341114005
no, actually a US shitter who's butthurt about playing 2v2 against blatant bar counting double PE who just force out 6 of the things by the time I'm producing my 4th rifle squad. opposing fronts should never have existed ree etc etc. on an open map it's near impossible to counter, especially when your teammate is nearly always some rank 4000 shitter with < 100hours
>>341099453
calm down son
also depth is the level of meaningful complexity, which takes into account balance issues and such
if you could build 10 types of early infantry but one of them flew like airplane and shot nukes with mapwide range then all the other choices are useless and thus not meaningful
>>341110635
Disciplined Fire 30k edition though. Not to mention Blood And Honour isn't bad either.
Death Guard and World Eaters don't stand a chance they needa get hella close for any of their stuff to matter. Not sure who the Spaniards or Teutons are supposed to be.
>>341114852
Funny guy. You will die first.
>>341116206
>Teutons
Black Templar?
>>341114361
THIS
WHERE IS DOBSON
>>341116510
Don't exist in 30k for very obvious reasons
Starcraftfag here.
Game looks slow as fuck. Where the other DoW games like that too?
Replace Diablo 3 with DoW3 in this.
>>341116510
>Templars
>30k
>>341116802
Nah. You would enjoy the movement and special ability shenanigans of DoW2.
>>341058980
>3rd edition colour scheme
YES
>>341052534
I would be interested in your source for this
>>341116480
>almost all the SM men in artworks are ugly motherfuckers or just plain looking, bald or with short hair, often scarred or disfigured
>almost all the SoB in artworks have super model good looks, nice body, pretty face and trendy haircuts
I like this.
>>341118245
They are literal nuns with guns. Not some weirdo super soldiers like the Space Marines. Considering that they have very little special power stuff outside their faith shit, they are extremely badass within the 40k universe.
>>341117038
>>341116783
The Templar Brethren that are Dorn's bodyguards are future Black Templars.
>/v/ gets butthurt about stupid shit they know nothing about.
>>341118245
Space marines are freaks they are huge and bloated looking compared to regular humans they also move to quickly and are too strong.
>>341120069
Oh those guys. Eh. Their exclusives (Brethren, Phalanx Warder/Breacher) are alright. Yeah you can technically play Imperial Fists in 30k like a moving fortress of infantry with some crazy chargers like the Brethren, but both are not that viable styles of play especially compared to what other factions can do. But something like Disciplined Fire will make even the most basic troops in higher numbers gain a ridiculous advantage over other Legions.
I used to run a couple Phalanx Warder and Templar Brethrens. Match would take way too long and no guarantee of victory. Just taking standard troops and taking advantage of Disciplined Fire takes care of most things easily.
>>341118245
They don't have super model looks. They are just unugly.
>>341121657
>But something like Disciplined Fire will make even the most basic troops in higher numbers gain a ridiculous advantage over other Legions.
Yep. IF are best used shooty.
>>341120332
>implying he would ever refer to himself as god
You are the only one who's heretic.
>>341118241
seconded
I remember when DoW2 got shit on to high hell when it was first revealed and released. The catastrophic butthurt of a thousand /v/irgin during the beta, and claims that the series future will go nowhere. Now here I am, in awe of how shitload of anon zealously defending DoW2 and saying that it was the best goddamn game in the series.
Did Relic made a bargain with the devil or some shit cause I really can't believe at what I'm seeing itt.
The models actually look great, Angelos' movement/combat animations in terminator armour suck. I think it's mostly the look of the terrain that's jarring but that may improve/change since it's no where near close to the detail of the models.
Think people are overreacting at this stage.
>>341122339
>tfw volkite terror squads with volkite support squads in a terror assault NL list
>>341039707
No Dobson No buy.
Fuck off.
>>341124529
I miss the glorious bird-boy.
>>341124728
You know? A smiling Kurze is much more terrifying than a snarling one.
Love the classic ultra-stylistic art 40k had
>>341126068
I miss that art-style. It's the true essence of 40K.
ORKS IS THE BIGGEST AND THE BEST
Guys what should I name my Imperial Navy captain in BFG?
>>341099308
Anon, everything past 3rd edition is fanfiction.
Hell, I've heard an Eldar player once complain that 3rd edition Necron codex was just bad fanfiction that ruined the lore forever (until they totally changed it and made it non-sensical eldar wank. Thanks, Ward, you were truly the best)
>>341040976
>all the other units and literally just a complete mess of shit smashing into each other, they're just kind of standing there shooting each other.
Finally, a proper sequel to the original Dawn of War
>>341127681
Yeah.
Although editions from 4 to 7 still have some awesome fluff and lore parts that can be found, though most of them are...seriously I hope that the stigma of Kirby will disappear one day.
>>341102532
They stopped taking those over a year ago, those gave you a copy of the game for free.
>>341097126
EC is fun but still has a long way to go. Also Eldar are UP as fuck and desperately need buffs.
So any guesses for new units?
Chaplains? Librarians? Aspect Warriors?
>>341128353
Yeah, the Eldar need some buffs.
It also doesn't help that their two core classes are still out of the game (banshees and hawks.)
Thankfully the Devs have already confirmed that the Eldar will be tweaked, possibly made far faster than they are right now for example.
I kinda wanted the cover system from dow II but it seems alright in my eyes.
>>341129073
Even with tweaks they will still be bad until the weapon mod system is in because we have no long range infantry guns until shurriken catapult mods are added. Hawk guns were sort of long range but their DPS was crap compared to stalker bolter.
I cri evertim when my DA tries to have a shootout with an SM at long range.
>Plays like Dawn of War 1 with Dawn of war 2 heroes.looks like a moba
>>341118241
Dont have source, but overall its size. The imperail knights are bigger than dreadnaughts. You slap a damn auto cannon scaled to it. Then by logical sense it should have a barrel size equivalent to a leman russ. Even balance wise it makes no sense for the weakest unit to survive even a second to that barrage.
>>341039707
>REPAY THEM WITH HATRED
Those Assault Marines looked fucking badass faggot, and the titan had some good animations
plis god, i hope the ydon't make a moba
>>341129701
Shuriken catapults are supposed to be close range weapons though, so don't expect them to get any better at mid to long range. They are decent enough at close range, but should be buffed somewhat.
The Reapers need to have their rocket launchers modified to fire faster for them to be effective long range support units.
>everyone kept bitching about the scale of DoW2 battles and whining because there weren't Ultimate Apocalypse sized battles
>Relic listens to that feedback and just goes full retard giving people exactly what they asked for: Blob vs Blob battles with no cover system, no specific use of squads or anything remotely resembling WH40k
This is all your fault, for every one of you faggots who bitched and moaned about DoW2.
is there any fucking confirmation of last stand
thats all that matters
Remember how hype we were with the announcement trailer? And then we saw the first screenshots...
>>341130454
>people wanted a sequel to DoW1
>Relic gives DoW 0.5
>this is the fans fault!
lel
>>341122156
Their unwavering devotion to the emperor is what makes them sexy.
>>341130453
Reapers are heavies though. Eldar need a stalker equivalent, and from what Brent mentioned there are plans to mod the shurricat to be a longer range low RoF option so thank fuck for that. reaper missiles are just too slow to completely fill the long range role.
>>341131584
Let's blame Erebus and Khor Phaeron.
>>341131718
Ow come on. Let it be released and play it, then we will bitch about it if it will be really bad.
>>341132235
>Eldar need a stalker equivalent
A Black Shuriken Catapult of the Black Guardians of Ulthwe.
>>341131805
>Relic gives DoW 0.5
uwotm8 it's the scale of DoW1 with some unit abilities from DoW2 based on that video u abo cunt
Im going to wait to pass judgement until theu show us an environment that isnt "snowy rocks"
>>341039707
game seems really cartoony. not just graphics but the animations as well likey theyre trying to be goofy
>>341134402
To be fair, I really like it. The colors are out of place for nids, but the style is something I like.
>>341134408
Literally loyalist Emperor's Children.
>>341039707
That was obvious when they stated they streamlined everything during the original reveal.
>>341132235
Reapers are also the long range firepower of core eldar classes.
>>341133221
Assault trooper melee is what really threw me off, but those might still be placeholder. But then I'd guess that's stuff they will definetly improve. I don't think animations and sync kills and that sort of stuff are high on the priority list.
The over the top flashy moves on the commander are a bit silly, but then the scale of them is basically unchanged from DOW2, so it's really just the animation that's gotten a bit more anime.
Don't know if I would've gone in that direction, but I don't hate it. But then I very much believe some of this will still be changed quite a bit, so I really just want to wait and see. It's just so damn early. And while things like the graphics or the artstyle probably won't go into particularly different directions anymore, with things like animations, I can actually believe it.
>>341135651
Yeah but heavy weapons have a strict role in EC. They're not meant to engage in a mobile way, but rather need to brace and hold ground. EC reapers will never be like a stalker tac.
>>341135447
Psi-Titans from FW when?
>>341135664
Anime should really just be an Eldar thing.
>>341135036
Nah, the Emperor's Children were obsessed with being perfect at everything they did. The Red Scorpions are just super turbo autists who never try to improve because IT'S NOT IN THE CODEX RRRREEEEEEEE!
>>341092539
you're already on 4chan, this is close to your future
My only major complaint is that angelos with his anime movement in huge ass armor looks like he is straight out of Lol of Legends. Jumping around doing flips and shit.
>>341128804
>live soon
I want to say Bikes because the animation will probably look very unfinished but I imagine it will be Librarians, Devastators (unless I'm blind and missed them), maybe Farseer because Macha or other Eldar psykers like Warlocks.
Waiting on Ork footage to be teased one day, I'm concerned if they'll still have great voices.
>>341136476
Well the part with the whole purity thing is also something with Emperor's Children, and Red Scorpions also have this.
Also the Hammers of Dorn are now THE most Codex Compliant marines...EVER.
Even go so far to call out the Ultras.
>Whirlwinds and Deathstorms
>>341133221
>>341137502
I think they saw the way people liked some of those kill animations and took it too far.
>>341138542
I fucking loved the sync kills. But the sync kills always made sense. Heavy units didint do anime shit and yet still looked amazing.
>>341127681
>everything past 3rd edition is fanfiction.
Daemonhunters did not deserve their fate.
>>341138823
And i dont even mind space muhreens going faster than usually, they are pretty nimble for being so big and heavy, but not the fucking terminator bearing guys.
Animation looks bubbly and almost too lively for the 40k I have in my mind.I was hoping they would take the more DOW tactical route with like a more elaborate base foothold but that doesn't seem to be the case. I liked the pace of the game even if you couldn't have a billion units.
>>341138462
>Two more units
>Space Marines only
You're busting my balls here, Relic.
>>341100149
No because DoW2's weapons and abilities where not any more varied or special than the first game. In fact due to the utter lack of variety of units there was even less options available to the player.
The first DoW had pretty much most of the features of DoW2 like cover too. The only real difference is DoW2 punished you heavily for having a squad total wipe due to the unit cost and number you could field and gave you a huge damage reducing "retreat" button which completely breaks w40k logic especially if we're talking IG.
>>341099436
ab vent
keeps your abs cool
>The voice acting
>>341118245
sanguinius is pretty though
>>341139160
>No because DoW2's weapons (...) where not any more varied or special than the first game.
Arguably true.
>No because DoW2's (...) abilities where not any more varied or special than the first game.
Completely wrong. Every unit had a lot more different mechanics and abilities than the first game. This created a completely different kind of depth.
Yes, you would build the same weapons and units, but the variety came from how you had to use them to beat whatever your opponent was doing with his stuff exactly.
> The only real difference is DoW2 punished you heavily for having a squad total wipe due to the unit cost and number you could field
You don't even know anything about these games you're ranting about.
DOW 1 losing a squad or two early could cost you the game as well. Of course not in 3v3 Quick Start Kasyr Lutien, so it's obvious you wouldn't know about this.
>>341139160
>"retreat" button which completely breaks w40k logic especially if we're talking IG.
IG also can't magically teleport new guys to their squads. And SMs don't drop two servitors into an empty space to make landing pads for their other stuff first. Stop being autistic.
>dow 3
>without Paul Dobson
What the fuck?@
>>341140594
Probably just placeholder until they actually get to the voice acting stage of their development again.
They don't even know how their base building will work, yet. How the hell do you think they already have finalized voice acting for their campaign missions?
>>341139051
I want to expect every reveal to be like this from now on like being one screenshot or some unit sneak peak. Apparently they'll be answering questions after E3 and the full E3 mission shown on the 24th.
Also at least we know they want you to deploy forces more using drop pods, so that will probably be done a lot more if you play Space Marines. That and other units too big for drop pods (like the Whirlwinds) can be dropped off from a Thunderhawk, but I'm not sure if that was just for the mission/demo itself or if you can really drop in units closer to the front line instead of having them drive from across the map.
No confirmed dates other than playable next year, which is kinda shit because I want to play the Alpha along with everyone else that want to give some sort of feedback. I'm going to end up shooting myself in the foot and buying anyway, but I'll happily talk shit on the game as I sink hours playing something while I slowly work on models for tabletop 40k.
>>341140338
Not to mention you can use Commissars to stop retreats.
Its like 90% of anons who complain about DoW2 never played a simple 1vs1.
