I feel that Mei's icicle shot should be changed so that it has no damage falloff, which would make her a viable sniper. As it is she's a little on the weak side right now and could really use this buff. What do you guys think?
Lets just buff Mcree while we're at it.
>>340998312
>buff the most broken hero.
Nah
Get fucked.
The only ones that need a buff are d.va and zenyatta.
>>340997819
Agree. Also give Widowmaker stronger shots, I can't one hit kill every enemy like in COD!!
>>340998653
You're right, that post could not possibly have been sarcastic.
Honestly, all Mei really needs is a health nerf and i feel like she'd disappear from most games. If not that, either increase how long it takes to freeze someone or reduce the range of it. Mei's at an iffy spot to me.
>freeze a person
>shoot an icicle in their head
jesus fucking christ
>>340998653
Symmetra needs a buff too, so that you aren't punished for using your ult well. I think she should be able to charge it while the teleporter is up, like D.Va.
>>340997819
>yandere mei freezing you so you can't ever leave her
I...I don't usually go for yandere but that sounds kind of hot.
>>340998819
While we are at it, lets give junkrat twice as many grenades per magazine
>>340999137
His tire needs more health and they should get rid of the warning.
>>340999093
Really she just needs to be able to break down her teleporter for a refund based on how many charges it had left. She has to be near it though so she can't break it down as soon as someone attacks it.
That way she can change its position every once in a while to adjust for lost ground or push her teammates up.
>>340998312
McCree is the shitter stomper. He stomps around like a dipshit and you can hear him coming a mile away.
>>340999137
I think you mean clip
>>340999243
Not enough. His tire should just instantly teleport next to the enemy team and explode immediately.
You wanna know who really overs my watches? fucking junkrat. That piece of shit does TOO much damage and has TOO many little gimmicks and bullshit going for him.
And did he really need to drop mines on death??? was that really fucking necessary? Meanwhile characters like 76 and zenyatta get no free bullshit perks and have to play on point if they wanna be useful.
Mei and McCree can be outranged
Widowmaker can shred you even at close range, and shot you as you hop at her in mid air as Winston
>>340998653
Since you clearly are autistic I will explain his post for you
He is suggesting that buffing mcree would be equivalent to your post. Buffing mcree is obviously ridiculous because he is so strong and thus the buff is unneccessary and he is suggesting the same thing about your buff for Mei, who he is implying is also strong
>>340999589
>your
Are you retarded?
>>340999506
76 has reliable mid to long range damage, above average mobility, high damage RMB, and healing capabilities. He's fine.
However I agree on Zenyatta, dude's worthless as is.
>>340999134
this is the scene every time I freeze some one
>>340999506
He is a properly retarded character. As you say he has too much stupid shit that can get him lucky kills he didn't earn, and a character like him has no business being in a game with infinite ammo. It is utterly ridiculous he can blindly fire over a wall completely denying an area that he has absolutely no knowledge of for absolutely zero risk because he doesn't actually have to be there to do it, and he can do it forever because his ammo will not run out.
>>340999678
It's a minor error, calm down, your post was still retarded
>>340997819
Here's to (you)
Nicola and Bart
>>340999243
I think the tire is too loud at the moment it should be silent
>>340999694
He means that to play 76 you have to actually play the game and earn your kills, you won't get 'lucky' kills you didn't actually intend or deserve like Junkrat does constantly
>All these people responding as if Mei is OP
Mei is strong in a vacuum but her main problem is that she is incredibly niche. She has a lot of trouble fitting into a proper comp as it stands. Because of this she has an almost non-existent pickrate in competitive games. I've been saying to my friends I think the best thing they can do for Mei at this point is just have her freeze through Reinshield. Perhaps at a much slower rate but it would at least give her something of a role. As it stands now she's something of a situational pick on Hanamura A defense.I can't wait for everyone to ignore any points in this post with ">competative overwatch"Yes it's stupid that it's a thing but it's a thing
>>340999842
That comic is inaccurate. In-game Mei's usually dopey face changes to an evil smirk as she charges up her shot. Let me see if I can find an example.
>>341000105
>kills you don't deserve
>Reduce enemy's HP to zero
>YUO DDINT DESERVE IT YUOU'RE ARE ACKSHUALLY A BAD
>>340998653
Do you really think Symmetra doesn't need a buff? Are you insane?
>>341000105
I constantly die as junkrat if I don't observe my surroundings. Just because he's not some twitch-hero doesn't mean he doesn't take skill. With his one mobility option also being one of his primary close to mid range attack options, area control becomes a very important factor
>>341000276
What a stupid thing to say, you know exactly what was meant, stop trying to pretend otherwise.
>>340998942
Well she undeniably gets kills, but the nature of her slow movement and kill process makes her a limited asset to team participation.
If everyone just focuses fire on her whenever she waddles into combat she should only be able to take out a single hero at most.
Then she spends 3 minutes waddling back from the respawn, wasting more time trying to flank people and get up close.
She's a bit like roadhog in that way. Kills 1 on 1 up close- but struggles to stay in the action.
>>341000150
Games that balance for their "comp scene" are almost always garbage. They breed and actively encourage the worst fanbases, citing metas and builds that ruin any chance of fun. People will get pissed that you're not playing according to their style, people will get pissed you didn't fill the role they chose to ignore, people will get pissed you are not top 5 in the world, etc.
Fuck comp scenes, this game is NOT balanced and new blizz will never be able to balance it.
>>341000540
Yes, but this is going into actual teamwork which pubs lack. It's easy to have everyone focus one person if you're playing with cooperative people.
Remove the slowdown on her freeze. Let that bitch run a bit to get her kills.
Asking Mei out on a date, and watching her blush and stutter before gaining composure and saying "YES!" Walking around town with Mei, and then taking her out to dinner! Watching Mei eat cute food! Holding her hand and then cuddling with Mei! Stroking her softly and talking to her in a way that makes her heart go pitter-pat!
I love Mei!
>>340998653
Zenyatta buff
>Zenyatta now has 1 more shield hp
There, he is viable now, as it will take 2 shots from a widow to kill him.
>>341000331
Symmetra can melt tanks if she gets the jump on them.
And her charge shot is perfect for popping Turrets and Bastions. As well as area denial.
Her only weakness is that she's squishy and not highly mobile. But that's a fair price for such high utility.
Portals win games. Sentries buy you invaluable time.
>>340999506
The mines on death is fucking bullshit. It completely ruins the flow of a fight.
>>341000505
Yeah alright, I was just being fuckign retarded
>>340999345
Even being able to use ult to add charges for a team doing well would be fine by me.
>>340999842
>hear mei's ult
>junkrat doesn't immediately bounce out
>lucio doesn't shift e his way out
>roadhog doesn't hook mei and one shot her in the three seconds before he freezes
I hate comic artists.
>>341000643
this
>>341000150
I'll respond to you anon :^)
I completely agree. mei is only really strong in very particular and CLOSE range situations. When the game first came out I saw alot of people whining about how usful her and perhaps even op her abilities were. but the longer the game went on, the less I saw of her and the less I saw that opinion.
As it stands, I think she could afford to get some kind of minor buff to boost her just enough to competitive, more useful statues.
>>341000643
It is a point of fact that Blizzard is /attempting/ to cater to these players, however. Whether or not you believe it should be done is another story.
Mei's current biggest problem is that shes hard countered by the most prevalent heros at high level.
Mccreed annihilates her.
Tracer soft counters her.
Widowmader blows her the fuck up.
Nerf the cowboy and she becomes more viable.
>>341001056
The others really shouldn't have needed to do shit. Any Lucio should have instantly boosted speed or switched to it for the team to get out. I've never had to force my team to stay in that shit.
>>341000540
Enough of this dumb meme, every character has the same walk speed except for Tracer, Genji and Lucio.
>>340999506
Yeah, I gotta agree with this one.
Area denial alone is a huge thing, especially in a game where you capture zones. He can do it relatively safely too, since he can ricochet shit all over.
What really pisses me off though is his extra shit. The bear trap makes flanking a pain in the ass, his pancake grenade is such an easy get-out-of-jail free card for him, forcing zoning and free 80 damage, and to top it all off his Ult is retarded, I dont understand why that thing has such a god damned huge explosion radius. The play of the game is almost always that bastard.
>Inb4 but you can totally shoot it down!
Sure if its a shit junkrat player, but a good ones not gonna waltz right through the main enemy push, they'll take smart routes evade.
And. AND. To top it all off, the nigga has calla dooty ass martyrdom.
>>340998942
the range is fine, it's comparable to melee range
the freeze time is the real problem, as well as her needlessly high health pool
>>341001385
She's still a close range character with no mobility options.
Other slow characters benefit from not needing to get up close.
>>341000000
>>341000643
This
>>341001247
My D.Va can handle her pretty well. I just spray and fly away.
If she freezes herself I just space myself appropriately and spray her more bullets
>>340998942
she's already garbage tier and you want to nerf her health? Fuck off
>>341000643
Balancing for comp just means balancing around a character that is played at its highest potential. It means not nerfing to satisfy knee-jerk reactions from scrubs who are too lazy to find a counter-play.
>>340999093
It would have 100% up time. Her ult charges fastest in game unless you hide in a room with turrets hoping for someone to come in.
>>341002117
But the problem is the amount of skill required to play bastion at its highest level is different from genji. Even if everyones potential is equal there will be imbalance in lower levels
>>341002072
Not my fault your waifu is shit.
>>341000169
I got you f.a.m
>>340998942
Mei seems like a pretty polarizing character, some think shes shit tier, others think she's broken.
It seems to me that its more of a case of her either shitting on certain characters hardcore or getting shit on hardcore. Her matchups are really polarizing. She's probably the only character that, as a Genji, I have to pretty much ignore or only annoy at a distance, there's really not much I can do up close. Junkrat, McCree and Hanzo take a hot steaming dump all over her, though, she's easy bait for me when playing as them.
>>340997819
Torbjorn is the only character that gives me any trouble- primarily teams with multiple Torbjorns.
Their molten core shit just seems to force a stall in many cases. I viciously pursue Torbjorns now and try to kill them top priority (after Mercy and Zenyatta, of course)
If you just attack the turret it can always be healed, replaced, or MOLTEN COOORED. That's why it's best to just murk the Bjorn, and handle the turret after.
pssshhhh, nuthin personal, kid.
My friends always cry about her but I never have a problem guess I'm just not retarded
>>341002661
Console fag detected
>>341002661
What is a sniper
>>341001019
You're only allowed to do those things to Mei if you are a girl.
>>340999134
>you will never be frozen and raped by mei as she thaws your dick out with her mouth and steaming hot pussy
WHAT IS EVEN THE FUCKING POINT OF LIVING FUCK
>>341002973
Not him, but snipers aren't really the best solution. They work in some cases, but when turrets are covering turrets in an intelligent manner, they cover enough radius and take enough cover to force characters to be in their radius. Best you can do is pop in and out of cover, but then attention is immediately drawn to you by multiple sources.
>>341002973
Come on man a good torb will use his turret to draw fire and flush out snipers. Even if they get his turret weak or kill it he can rebuild and upgrade it in about 6-7 seconds or molten core before its even destroyed.
>>341001019
What is cute food?
>>341003264
It's when you eat a cute girl. Basically, cannibalism.
>>341002661
Best solution to a six man torb cheese is going six reinhardts and just rocketing on to the objective and ignoring them. If they come to the objective they die. If they don't they lose. Easy peasy.
>tfw /v/ is so bad at overwatch that they think mei deserves a nerf
>they're probably the same retards who walk forward at bastions on reaper and then whine at their team to kill him
>>341002973
>>341003125
Hell, just use Pharah. Pharah is the best hero in the game and nobody seems to realize it.
>>341002821
>Glasses frame disappears near the eye
This triggers me every single Goddamn time.
Mei isn't OP, she's just utterly unfun to both play against and with. I can't even count the number of times some faggot Mei has thrown an ice wall in front of me and blocked a shot I wanted or even worse an ult.
>>341003652
(and of course I mean a Mei on my team about the latter part)
>>341003552
Yeah, I think Pharah's a better solution to turrets. Her pulse bomb forces that little dicksnot away from healing, and she can pop those things quickly.
Junkrat too, he can just lob his bullsht and kill the torb+turret.
D.Va can nuke the shit out of it reliably, but the problem with that is youre using a slow charging Ult to take on the Torbs normals.
>>340999783
Jesus lmao
>>341003589
Magnets.
(or her glasses where fused to her face and the sides of her head during her unfreezing process)
I fucking hate fighting Mei.I'd probably love playing as her but I don't think I can ever muster the faggotry to do so.
Same with McQueef. And maybe Hanzo and Widowmaker.
>>341003652
This, desu. Any character based around CC and/or slowing will be plain unfun to fight against. Unless you have an escape her Ult seems to be a guaranteed catch.
>>341001019
That's some gay shut nigga, say that to some choice 3D and you'll be laughed into Saturn's orbit.
>>341001480
>blaming Junkrat for being good at stopping flanks
That's literally his main job, to counter tracers amd genjis.
>>341002661
>playing on the jap castle map, hanamura on defense
>pick toblerone
>"good pick anon, place your turret in "obvious fucking spot"
>" no, im placing it in this small, tight corner in the castle/objective area"
>"thats fucking dumb, ur nhat helin da teeeem"
>He doesn't understand or appreciate my state farm insurance turret strategy
>a while passes, turret gets little action
> I die, spawn and suddenly see my turret taking damage
>MOLTEN CORE
>XxDiggerNick9000xX eliminated
>420nochoke eliminated
>shadowreaper18 eliminated
>....
>that shitty genji player eliminated
>mfw
>>341000169
I got it.
>>341004021
>hear gibberish chinese
>oh no, NO NO NOOO
>near the edge of the circle
>praying for dear god I can make it that extra inch to get out
>lol no fuck you, entire team frozen
You should be able to shoot that stupid fucking thing down.
>>341004195
i thought the second one was genji's desu, needs color
>>340998942
Popsicle needs to put the wall on cool down or give the popsicle a HP so we can drag her out of it and rape her.
>>341004279
She really is a sociopath, jesus.
>>341004196
Objective A or B?
I honestly can't think of a good way to fix Mei so that she can't wipe out the entire cast if she meets them while in recharge. I can only think to drop the damage of her icicle to 50 because she can easily do 250-350 if she sees you.
>>341004295
Old pasta, new fat image
Thanks for posting it, saved!
>>341004136
Being good at stopping flanks isn't the issue necessarily, I get it, we need characters to stop that. If that was it alone, that'd be fine, but its not like he's not good at a ton of other shit either.
He stops flanks, busts defenses, lays good area denial, has a panic button, and does it all from safety. And to top that off, the nigga has a martyrdom.
Like, a martyrdom isn't even that great at higher levels of play, but for fucks sake is it not the most annoying way to get killed.
>>341004279
It just looks like she's squinting to get a better shot since it's her range attack. Ironic considering its use 80% in close range
>>341004427
A. Which is why I'm shocked at how effective my strategy was since I've seen tons of people do it.
Still worked like a charm.
Mei is annoying because of how long it takes to kill her.
Men's health gets low? Ice block and get health back. Ice block gone?throw up wall. It's also pretty bullshit that she can can contest a point while frozen. Same goes for reaper who can also pick up health packs.
>>341004321
Yeah, I would color it and properly line it, but I feel like I have to decide if all of that would be worth it first, lol
Think it would look like d.va's with the color?
>>340999506
I see these fuckers sitting in sniper posts launching grenades into objectives the ENTIRE FUCKING GAME.
I character switch into Reaper solely to deal with them, so fucking annoying.
>>341000150
It might be too late to get a reply on this but as someone who doesn't really get into "competitive" gaming (assuming you're referring to tournaments and such) why is Overwatch ill-suited to it? Just curious as I've heard this sentiment echoed pretty frequently.
>>341000540
>Waddle into combat
The real problem with her is when she's on defense or contesting a point. Her kit is able to maintain a point for an incredibly long amount of time, enough for her team to respawn and regroup. My problem isn't her damage, but her staying power
>>341004279
It looks less scary as just a picture. I think it's her face changing to that smirk that makes her look like a sociopath.
>>341004679
yeah, maybe tone down the puffy vulva sticking out so much because it kinda looks like a bulge
>>341001247
You forgot Zarya and her anti-freeze shield. One for you, one for a friend.
>>341004780
For the same reason Kickball is not a competitive support. Its simple and fun to play game, But it its just a simplified version of more complex and appealing games.
>>341004780
Multitude of reasons. Tickrate is solved through the high bandwidth option. But at the game's core it's pretty casualized. The hitboxes are huge and characters have hard counters.
Competitive games are either picking the strongest characters or revolving door picking characters that counter others.
>>341003552
The problem with Pharah is that Widowmaker exists.
McCree too to a lesser extent.
>>341001030
Then they just need to nerf Widow so that the second shot isn't instant
>>341004801
Yeah, I agree. She's hard to kill mainly because of that ice block bullshit. She whips that thing out and not only does it heal her to full, but it stalls. That stall is an extremely powerful, under-utilized tool, that shit lets people regroup, lets team mates save her ass.
https://youtu.be/0-7m5xcruPI
>>341004780
Maps. Right now only Payload is viable and even then there's a rule to stop the match if the attacking team reaches the second to checkpoint because the spawn is way too close to the objective. Also certain teams are just better than any other comp because the characters are too good in any situation
>>340997819
>tfw realizing you can dash backwards as tracer and braindead mei players keep charging at me as i gun them down
>>341004195
P good anon
>>341005048
>characters have hard counters.
This here is the biggest issue I have with the game.
I like the idea that the game sort of borrows from fighting games in have counter picks, but the matchups on some characters are so unrealistically tilted that it's better to just switch.
I'd love the game so much more if matchups weren't so skewed.
>>341005062
Or her 100% charge shot uses the entire clip.
>>341004397
You think she had come out of her cryostasis with no neurological damage, anon?
>>341005272
main fag detected
Widowmaker needs to have the time on her hookshot reduced.
So fucking annoying when I can't get away from no-skill shitters playing Winston.
>>341005392
It's already 12 fucking seconds.
>>340999506
>playing brawl
>enemy has 4 junkrats
>in fucking Hanamura
go through the tiny hole in the top, you get your ass trapped and then nuked
the main gate is a constant game of "the floor is lava"
god fucking damn it
>>341005392
>bodyshotting widowmakers complaining about hard counter
get fucked retard
>>341005384
Is it wrong to have characters you prefer playing? If we need an attack character, you can bet your ass I'm going to pick Pharah if I can.
Is it "Justice rains from above" or "Justice reigns from above?"
>>341005384
Nigga, shut your mouth. Switching characters isn't exactly an option mid-skirmish, only after you die or if you decide to haul your ass back to spawn.
Alsothere's nothing wrong with wanting a main
>>341004279
Always melee after icicle.
>>341005392
It would make her more fun if it had 2 charges so you could spider man, but you would have to nerf her in other ways. Slower rate of fire would be my number one complaint. It rewards in-accuracy.
>>341005304
That's probably the only way to change the dps aspect and keep it fair but casuals would rage.
>>341005635
Considering she rains missiles on the enemy while saying it, I'll say the former.
>>341005635
Subtitles say reigns
>>341005530
yes it is, you should have a variety to assist your team comp where it is weakest. It's a team game.
>>341004320
really? I don't know that lol
>>341004027
>say that to some choice 3D
???
why would I be talking to any human beings
>>341002072
This. I don't ever see Meis anymore because my MMR is too high. She needs a buff if anything.
>>341005635
It's meant to be wordplay, but the correct spelling is "rains" because it is literally a rain of missiles.
Do you ever feel like Mei players are fucking with their own teams on purpose? I swear I've had a few Ice Wall my ult or block my Reinhardt charge.
>>340997819
Yeah. Lets make her a viable option for both short and long range combat! That way no one would be able to counter her! What fun!
>>341006227
Indeed. I haven't even seen a Mei that hasn't switched off after we lost the first point in ~10 hours and I haven't died to a Mei since I had under 150 games played.
yuri a shit
>>341006262
I'll answer you as a Mei player: Yes, we are. Also, I'm quite fond of Reddit and go there daily.
>>340999506
>>341001034
>>341001480
>whining about martydom
Is this you guys? git gud
>>341006452
HAHAHA
THA
>>341006452
I'm fine with martyrdom, I just hate when the game teleports me back onto it when I've already walked out of them on my screen and kills me.
I've played this game for 30 hours now
I never felt like any of the characters were OP and felt like zen needs a small buff to health and debuff to dmg to even it out , a small dmg aoe boost for pharah because she is useless in anything that isn't a team fight
Outside of that the game seems pretty balanced and is never giving me headaches because of a character or two
I always lose a game because we/I get outplayed or my team is shit
Typically the latter but still
>>341006262
all the time
>>341006452
A FUCKING LEAF
>>341005392
Winston is your hard counter you stupid fuck.
He will give you the money dick and you will take it.
>>341006589
>a small dmg aoe boost for pharah because she is useless in anything that isn't a team fight
Oh, you mean the only thing that ever happens in this game?
>>341004195
Post your art anywhere?
>>341006658
>French takes the monkey dick
It's just a coincidence!
>>341006136
This is the only game I've seen people say "hurr u have no main" as if that's somehow a good thing, and the dev's are totally 100% in the right.
Having a main is only bad if you choose to only play that character and no one else ever. Like, yeah no shit I'm not gonna choose my offense hero if my retarded team already has 4 offense heroes chosen, but you should be able to be allowed to specialize to a degree and get specifically good at certain roles without needing to switch because of muh matchups.
The team composition factor doesnt even really have any relevance to that, no matter what character you pick in any circumstance, you have the chance of running into that characters counter, and since anyone can switch at any time, it creates that aforementioned revolving door.
Youre never going to have each situation 100% covered due to team composition, so youre going to have to inevitably worry about those matchups.
Like I said, I wouldnt mind matchups having favor, but some of them are just so harsh. There's so many situations where I've outright shit on a player with better accuracy than me, simply because I just so happened to find myself in a situation where I was that persons counter.
How well does this game run on a toaster?
What does it look like on lowest settings?
>>341006736
Have you played the game?
Nobody plays this like it should be until the final minute of payload or cap limit
I played to have fun the first few days but now I play to win and most of the community is stuck in the TDM phase
>>341006143
It looks like a handjob pov
>>341006908
You're asking how it runs on toaster settings so don't bother in asking about looks on toaster setting
It runs fine on all sides
You need a serious piece of junk to have trouble running this
>>341006741
sunbeam-sketch on tumblr
That's a really nice picture of her, by the way.
>>341006908
Pic related plays it on high/medium settings and 75% render. I tried to put it at 100% but it would dip to 40 FPS too much so I just left it there.
>>341006568
Except you clearly fucking haven't
>>340998942
What'd I would do is remove the freezing aspect of her M1 and ramp up it's damage a bit. It's not so much she can 1v1 most stuff it's that you're basically stuck doing fuck all until she kills you. Same could be said of McCree and his flash grenade. Making it blind instead of stun would still make him dismantle people but at least you don't get the feeling of utter futility. Stuns are a shitty mechanic in almost every game.
More importantly I'd make her unable to contest a point while frozen and able to be knocked back while frozen too. She may be a defensive hero but she shouldn't be able to stall a push by 6 people solo. Nobody else can do that.
>>341006452
That was amazing
>>341007203
Yes I have, the server just tells me I haven't because "favor the shooter xdd."
>people who play symmetra
>>341007109
I have a feeling I am worse off.
By the way, where did the whole "76-Dad" thing come from?
>>341007203
What is 30 tickrate
>>341006917
I haven't had any trouble getting my team on the objective. What you need is a commanding personality.
>>341007379
From the mercy shipping
>>341007038
>all that yuri
Superb taste.
>>341007379
Who's 76 fucking if everyones his daughter?
Is this one of those "rural" arrangements I keep hearing about?
>>341007339
>bad people who complain about useful characters
>>341007608
Mercy's almost 40.
Any ability that completely prevents the player from acting should be taken out. This includes Mei's freeze and McSkill's flash bang. It does absolutely nothing in terms of anyone's enjoyment in encountering these characters, and only makes those classes way too easy to excel at. Abilities like Zarya's black hole or Junkrat's trap are fine because you can at least still shoot.
Who actually thought they were a good idea, or that people would enjoy it?
>>341007449
If I'm playing with a group we don't need someone reminding us what to do to stop a payload or cap
Random matchmaking here is just as bad as dota 2s
Commanding personality or not you can fix that and you'll most likely end up screaming back at them
I'm too chill to argue over possibly grown adults on playing a game but it does take the enjoyment out when you see retards going for quick ultimates for xp and at the last minute go to the objectives
Blizzard is slow as shit but they should add a TDM to seprate those cunts
>>341007765
Fuck off, you're worthless, not useful
>>341007583
You know it
I was very close to including a yuri snippet in that D. Va animation.
But even compared to animating D. Va's suit, getting her and Widowmaker to believably animate would be masochistic.
>>341008015
t. low mmr plebeian
>>341007947
Mccree's flashbang is a necessary evil because without it, decent Tracers and good Genjis (like 2% of them) will be overpowered as fuck.
>>341008015
Sure thing, shitter.
>>341007947
>OMFG STUNS ARE BROKEN
>>341008070
>>341008145
>losses out of the ass every time a symmetra is on my team
There is no excuse, she's half of a fucking hero and it shows. Fuck off you degenerate third-worlders
>>341007449
>get on the point
>stop playing heroes that are shit tier for offense and are hard countered by their team
>WOW DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO REPORTED AND MUTED
Every fucking time.
>>341008231
t. low mmr plebeian
>>341008109
Junkrat takes care of Tracers with the traps, and Zarya's particle beam cant be reflected by Genji. Winston is good too. It's completely unnecessary.
Imo they should just nerf her health, as well as reapers health
I don't get why reaper has so much hp, he has his fucking vladimir pool so he can escape anyways
>>341008231
Sure thing, shitter.
>>341008109
McCree's not even that good at countering Genji.
Genji can reflect low skilled McCree flashbangs, and higher skilled McCree's who are wiser and save them make a 50/50 situation where Genji has the upper hand by having a quick mobility move to flee the skirmish.
Winston's much better at dealing with Genji.
>>341008263
>>341008294
>losses out of the ass every time a symmetra is on my team
There is no excuse, she's half of a fucking hero and it shows. Fuck off you degenerate third-worlders
>>341008275
Because Reaper has to get in close and doesn't have a stun like McBalanced, which makes him laughably vulnerable to anyone who's paying attention?
>>341008275
>calling for nerfs of the bad version of mccree
you guys really need to git gud, holy shit
>>341008334
Sure thing, shitter.
>>340999506
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
GOD DAMN FUCK JUNKRAT SO MUCH
One direct grenade is all it takes to kill non tanks. ONE GRENADE.
>>341008236
Incidentally the heroes themselves constantly shout GET ON THE POINT, HELP ME MOVE THIS THING, etc. I don't see how the players don't understand.
>>341008174
They're not broken, they're just not fun. They add nothing to the game. At least read my post fully before getting triggered.
>>341007339
On some maps, she can be rather useful.
I was in a match in temple of anubis where our team had 2 symmetras, and we fucking won.
The enemy team couldn't get even the first control point, because our reinforcements kept pouring in faster than theirs, and there were beam cannons around every corner.
>>341008426
what is this supposed to prove
>>341008435
>They add nothing to the game
Except ways to disable threats to your team.
>>341008435
By your logic death should be removed from the game because it makes you unable to play for a few seconds. Also no walking, that wastes time. Let's only shoot guns at each other.
>People bitching about how you can just leave Mei's ult
>You begin to slow when it's placed, meaning you can't leave if you aren't on the outermost section of the AoE
>Mei doesn't even have to be present for the ult: she can throw it at a distance and run-and-hide around a corner
>Mei's distance on her spray is incredibly far, almost enough to touch a Roadhog from his hook distance
She's fucking busted. Give her 50 less HP OR a slightly shorter range on her spray and you're golden. She has plenty in her kit to help her escape if she gets too aggressive, so let bad players be punished by it worse without punishing good players. Her slow should also have only a half more second required to freeze someone with her spray.
>McCreed's fan the hammer needs a longer cooldown, prompting players to do the fan-roll-fan combo more instead of flagrantly spamming it and give it minor more spray or recoil
>Widow's rifle should do ever so slgihtly less damage and her minigun a slower fire rate but do boosted damage towards though afflicted by widow mine
>Buff Zenyatta and D.Va. They're good, but they need to be able to work with the team better. Give Zenyatta a LoS penalty up to 5 from 3 and possibly higher shield regen rate when alone
>>341002821
>D.va supposedly a pro player
>Engaging Terran so close with your Zealots and Colossus while there are SIEGE TANKS
>Not using her Voidray to go around and harass the Siege Tanks, using the opportunity to micro her units up the ramp
Holy shit, it's like this person doesn't actually play Starcraft.
>>341008512
Maybe that you are an idiot if you think that Symmetra is worthless?
That's a pretty fucking easy conclusion to make.
>>341008426
fat
>>341008617
It's a chart that has usage rate, it proves fucking nothing but people are shitters
Does Zarya have a counter?
I have 9 hours as her and I'm starting to think she doesn't.
>>341008661
Reaper is the only thing really, aside from another Zarya.
>>341008661
Just add 2s to her barrier's cd and she's much easier to deal with
>>341008661
You'd be surprised, but Winston. He's a big, easy target to hit, but with ability to be so mobile, he's great at harassing her. Symettra additionally, as her beam does more damage the longer it's hitting something.
>>341008565
The picture literally says it's a bad dream. That is the entire point.
>>341008661
Reaper's probably the best bet to that, or McCree. Zarya doesn't have a lot that's a full stop to her, but she also doesnt totally shit on anyone. I'd say she's a pretty well rounded, fair character.
>>341008813
Oh, well call me retarded then.
>>341008661
The counter is not shooting her when her barrier is up like a complete fucking idiot. Then you murder her at your leisure.
>>341007339
>pick symmetra on Dorado defense
>put turrets under bridge
>enemy team can't see them until they walk under it
>entire enemy team dies repeatedly
>repeat this 4-5 times until game times out
>get PoTG
>Enemy team immediately starts screaming that I'm a hacker and should kill myself
>None of them vote for me on the vote screen for 26 eliminations.
Everyone always underestimates the poo in loo
>>341008659
It's for "pro" play. Literally the complete opposite of shitters. Did you actually look at that chart and think, "hmm, Torb and Hanzo have almost 0 usage, yep this is def for quick play no doubt."
Are you fucking braindead? I don't understand how fucking hard it is to make conclusions on your own without someone holding your hand.
>>341008882
I considered it, but I actually find you kind of cute.
>>341007379
Is Soldier 76 a lolicon
>>341008928
>pro
so shitters
fuck off retard.
Pick rate is not equivalent to win rate.
>>341006452
That's why junkrat needs martyrdom.
>>341005057
We doing these now?
>>340997819
I play Mei and I agree. It does bullshit damage on any range. I can counter snipe Hanzos and Widowmakers. Also, while it is extremely fun stalling a capture in ice cube mode I think Mei shouldn't hold the point alone if she is frozen.
>>341002661
I think the biggest bullshit of Torb isn't his infinite range, insta locking, insta unkillable turret but his decent pistol. He can hold himself against most heroes without his turret in long and short range. Also why do his ult charge so fucking fast for no reason?
>Volskaya Industries - attack
>rush the first cap
>kill everyone for the first try
>no loss on our side
>after the cap rush to the second
>molen cored turrets crush our advance
>>341008874
>McCree
Not really. She's actually pretty effective against them. I love watching them squirm when they realize their flashbang didn't do anything and they can't hit a moving target. Then promptly melt their face.
>>341007947
>or Junkrat's trap are fine
If you get trapped by a Junkrat who isn't garbage he'll either kill you with shift or kill you in a few grenades if you're a tank.
Junkrat's shift (120) and trap (80) together alone are enough to kill most of the game's cast.
Your post is supposed to be against no-fun design but advocates current state Junkrat abilities.
>>341008916
>the Symmetra player being a shitter on long flat roads
wow who would have known
http://plays.tv/video/575cb1af9ed1d04550/when-mercy-is-real-bae
>>341009120
He's clearly a Junkrat player.
>>341009162
not really desu
you do have to hand it to blizzard for creating an even more annoying demoman, though
>>341008928
Adding on, it fucking SAYS "competitive" on the bottom of it in big bold letters, and in the top right it explains what the data is from. And yes its from a small pool, he's done multiple charts from different time frames but the problem is that they keep changing rulesets.
>>341009052
>pros are bad
>I'm the best
>I'm obviously right in everything and everyone who disagrees with me wrong, even when they post facts that the best players in the game play a hero I think is shit, that hero is still shit because I SAID SO
Kys you fucking mongoloid. You don't even read a fucking chart properly, you're so fucking braindead that you looked at the image, centered your eyes on Symmetra's portrait and then closed it immediately because IT'S OBVIOUSLY WRONG, AND I'M RIGHT!
>>341008426
I always find it funny how Luciofags stopped shitposting about his pickrate now that it's plummeted while still claiming Mercy sucks.
>>341008331
Stop saying this.
McCree doesn't have to directly hit with his flashbang to stun Genji, and Genji won't deflect it without being hit directly. Even if he DOES deflect it, McCree still has fan the hammer RNG to pull out if his stun was reflected, which would mean that they can't reflect his fan the hammer for sure.
McCree absolutely does shit on Genij, with his only chance being that he needs to have deflect, use it first before McCree flashbangs, directly move into the flashbang, and then not get hit with 3 out of 6 shots fired from fan.
If he doesn't deflect first? Stun and fan. If he does deflect it? Fan still outdamages Genji so it relies on McCree being bad. If McCree just rounds a corner and fans, he can do that shit too, you are 100% reliant on a telegraphed deflect that you don't always have to stand a decent chance against him.
Symmetra's teleporter shouldn't be her ult. It should be a normal skill
>cooldown doesn't start until it's destroyed.
>make cooldown a decent length so it isn't spammable
>make her ult something like overcharging her sentries.
>>341005057
Shit, now i need to re-watch pure pwnage again
thanks
>>341008331
You can splash a genji with the flashbang you scrub.
Same shit with pharah rockets vs genji.
Deflect will just make you unable to fight back during its duration vs good mccreeds.
>>341009148
Roadhog players and Mercy players. Oddly, both are the nicest people I've met in the game.
>>341008661
Mercy. She usually stays out of Zarya's range while buffing/healing Zarya's target.
>>341008331
>and higher skilled McCree's who are wiser and save them make a 50/50 situation
There is no 50/50 situation since you can throw it as Genji's feet.
A good McCree will never lose to a good Genji.
>>341004864
>>341004279
>>341004397
>>341006143
WOAH XD LOL SO SOCIAPATHIC XD LMAO SICK
you all sound 12, go play a real game dumb children.
>>341009135
>enemy team picks symmetra
>actually knows good turrent placements
>isn't smart enough to counterpick Winston
Basically every match 2bh fampai
>>340997819
I feel like it should take longer or shorter to freeze someone based on their health total. Reinhardt and Roadhog should take forever to freeze while someone like Tracer should maybe even freeze faster than currently. It would be a buff for faster characters that Mei is supposed to counter and a nerf against tanks and bruisers that Mei is supposed to have trouble with.
Or maybe I am completely wrong. Its late and I am watching the new Voltron so only half my brain is thinking atm.
>>341008661
She's pretty easy to deal with with 76, just don't shoot her shields and keep a reasonable distance.
I can't remember actually getting killed by a Zarya outside of her ult.
>>341009330
Mercy is picked the most simply because of how broken her ult is in the ways pros play (6 vs 6 teamfights - because they will easily win a 6 vs 4, etc)
>>341009427
>counterpick winston
>when symmetra's right click goes through your bubble, does 1/4th of your health, and outdamages you
baka desu, her turrets aren't worth counterpicking over
>>341009329
Literally fuck off retard
>>341007339
aka hero with highest winrate
>>341009401
This. Detonating a flashbang under his feet completely removes the counterplay potential of deflect.
Same thing with detonating over top Reinhardt's head.
>>341009528
>I'm right you're wrong! nanananaanan nobody else is right BUT ME! Pros suck! ME GOOD!
>>341009334
>McCree doesn't have to directly hit with his flashbang to stun Genji, and Genji won't deflect it without being hit directly.
Which is why I said bad McCree players. The one's who kneejerk flashbang around corners.
If youre fighting a good McCree it becomes a 50/50 because as a Genji, if you predict the flashbang, you can run forward and reflect, which will catch it.
McCree has the advantage in the duel, but it's not a reliable counter to Genji precisely because Genji has a way to stall the matchup and escape. Point being is, if youre looking for a way to reliably counter Genji, McCree's not the best pick for that situation.
>>341009427
>turrent
>>341009483
>A character is picked because of how strong/broken they are
Holy shit, what a revelation!
>>341009601
>turrent
>>341008343
>>341008362
Well it's literally the only hero I have problems to deal with and when I'm playing him myself the only thing that can stop me is a widowmaker
I can just take roadhog hook mccree and he is dead
I can pick mei and kill mccree
I can pick genji to kill mccree-too
But I can never kill a "good" reaper
I hook him, he fucking flies away to his team or heals himself and kills me
I freeze him, shoot him one or two times he flies away again
Even with mccree I can't kill him most of the time, while I can kill tanks with one combo
And I thought maybe I'm doing it wrong
So I played reaper for some hours
And its the same, mccree, mei, roadhog, nothing can stop me
"op" characters can't kill him but he is not too strong I see
I'm probably just doing it wrong sorry senpai
>watching Steel stream
>A supposed """""Competitive""""" overwatch player
>He's playing winston in a scrim
>Jumps toward enemy team
>Holds m1
>Does this for 4 minutes
Checkers is more competitive than this
>>341009592
Oh, that's where you misunderstood
no no, I wasn't saying that I was good. I was saying that Overwatch is a fucking joke game where even shitters can be considered pros.
>>341001019
Autism
>>341009509
>Trying to outbox a full-health symmetra as winston
That's going full retard, anon.
>>341001607
>Comparable to melee
Go test it. It's longer than you think.
>>341009617
>how broken her ult is
One specific thing, not her whole character.
>>341008331
>McCree can either insta-gib Genji or force him to play scared because flashbang can come out any time
>McCree basically dictates the fight and forces Genji to run away or else he'll just FTH or left click at mid range
>This somehow means McCree isn't a counter to Genji
What am I reading?
>>341009801
I'm not understanding your point in relation to my post. Where did I say Mercy was broken as a character?
>>341009675
if a mccree dies to a reaper, genji or a mei he's bad, reaper does literally nothing if you're more than 10 feet away from him, and if you have any lnog-midrange suppressing fire he can't do anything at all without risking death. if you can't kill him before he wraiths as roadhog, you need to git gud.
>>341009135
Perhaps the only time I have ever seen a clever use of that meme. It's a shame more people aren't this creative.
Im sick of people panic picking mei just to permanently contest.
Im ok with her dmg and her limits, but just have her heal in a shorter amount of time. her shift lasts too long.
>>340997819
>Mei freezing Tracer
If you're playing as Tracer and get frozen by a Mei, you're terrible and aren't using Tracer correctly
>>341009808
>This somehow means McCree isn't a counter to Genji
Well considering I never said McCree didn't counter Genji, not the same thing.
If you actually DID read, you'd see that is was in response to the Flashbang being a supposed necessary evil to dealing with Genji's who would otherwise be broken, when McCree isn't even the best way at countering Genji, rendering that anon's point moot.
When is Rein getting nerfs?
>>341009949
Tracer is better at permanently contesting desu senpai.
I play since the release but rarely met 5-6 same hero teams. How to counter them?
I read 6 Reinhardts is good against 6 Torbs but is it true on Payload maps as well?
I met 5 Genjis once, we killed them with Winstons of course but what about 5 Hanzos on payload attack? They just bullshit us with those "hits you even if not" arrows and dragons everywhere.
>>341009993
never, git gud.
>>341009983
>McCree's not even that good at countering Genji.
He's plenty good. He completely controls the encounter and even if he holds onto flashbang forever, he still either kills Genji or forces him to run.
git gud
>>341010061
Six Soldier 76s counters everything.
>>341009728
You never said that you feel that way.
All you've said is that Symmetra sucks without any reasoning behind why, then insulted people who challenged your idea, and ignored facts because you have a pre-concieved notion that anyone that doesn't agree with you is a shitter.
>>341009869
I have 0 idea as to what you are talking about.
You (or someone else) said that Mercy is being picked more than Lucio now, so Luciofags are not shitposting anymore.
I replied with that Mercy is the most used because of how broken her ult is.
Then you (or someone else) made a snide remark that its obvious that the best character(s) is/are broken.
I replied that they should re-read what I said because I only said her ult is broken, not her whole character.
Then you ask why that is in relation to your post? I'm not following this at all.
>>341010129
I beat 6 76's with 5 Torbjorns and a Lucio.
>>341009918
Well you don't do enough damage as roadhog to oneshot reaper so I don't really know how to "git gud"
>>341010083
Jesus christ, do I really have to spell this shit out for you?
If you're having trouble with an enemy Genji, picking McCree isn't the absolute best option to dealing with him. The entire point is that in that matchup, Genji has potential options. Are they options that render it a neutral matchup? No, but theyre there.
Winston is a better pick, because Genji has far less that he can do to fight back.
THEREFORE
That means that the Flashbang is NOT a necessary evil, which was the entire point of that conversation to begin with. You're literally arguing against something that's not even being said. Christ.
>git gud
Nigga, I play Genji, not McCree.
>>341010236
>I replied with that Mercy is the most used because of how broken her ult is.
That adds nothing to the argument though.
>Then you (or someone else) made a snide remark that its obvious that the best character(s) is/are broken.
I never said best though. I said strong and/or broken.
Reading comprehension is hard, huh?
>>341010292
Yes you do. Hook + point blank headshot + melee is plenty.
>>341010236
Symmetra does suck
only retards play her
Anyone else feels like pharah is damn near useless?
>>341009993
Never, faggot
>>341010437
By that logic you should be playing her.
>>341010295
>If you're having trouble with an enemy Genji, picking McCree isn't the absolute best option to dealing with him.
It's either the best or 2nd best. Why? Because McCree also counters Tracer, anyone who's a close range fighter really, and outputs considerable DPS at mid range.
Winston doesn't do shit to kill Tracer or Genji since they'll always run away before he can kill them. Winston is only good against immobile characters, of which those two are definitely not.
>Nigga, I play Genji, not McCree.
Yeah, and you need to start playing against better McCrees if you actually think it's a 50/50 when it's more like 99/1.
>>341010481
It explains why you play her, at least. One out of two people IS 50%.
>>341010437
t. low mmr plebeian
>>341010463
Nah, she forces shit out. She's pretty good at dealing with Junkrats and Turrets.
>>341010481
Got em
>>340999783
We really need a Mei edit of this. Maybe with Genji as the prisoner
>>341010463
Pharah is the greatest fucking hero in the entire game and I'm dreading the moment when people realize it and start crying that she's OP and needs nerfs.
>>341010236
>implying symmetra is good
LMAO this shit is seriously lit af. I literally just shit myself, just like your waifu probably does every time she walks down the street. Just kys.
>it's another /v/ shows how bad they are at games thread
mei isn't used at all in high levels and you guys want to nerf her because she's too hard to deal with
>>341010609
Mei is fat and needs to die
>>341008415
>grenades do 120 damage on a direct hit
>lowest HP any character has is 150
Did you fail 3rd grade math?
>>341010609
Same with McCree and Widowmaker. /v/ is shit.
>>341010676
Trap does 50 damage right?
A single grenade afterwards is a kill.
>>341010698
This. McRee is countered by literally an tank and Widow is literally flankbait. git gud
>>341010698
McCree and Widowmaker are consistently used at high levels though
>>341010347
I'm simply explaining why she is the most picked character and more picked than Lucio in competitive. If her ult was Lucio's ult Lucio would be used more.
>I said strong and/or broken.
Doesn't change the fact that you said it even though I was only referring to her ult being broken.
>>341010437
Then explain why she sucks please.
>>341010463
I feel like she could use a small buff, but other than that she's pretty balanced. 120 damage with no falloff from any range is nothing to sneeze at. She's really good at harassing close range characters and torbjorns.
>>341006452
this game is so fucking wacky sometimes
>>341010725
>falling for traps
Fucking retard. Just watch the ground you stupid shit. Kill yourself.
>>341010725
The trap does 80, and direct hits do 120. If you get trapped, it's your fault.
i wanna play with new people and maybe make some friendshelps if u a gayboy too
FioshNZ#1553
>>341010807
She sucks in the exact same way that fucking Bastion sucks
>people stepping onto my trap
>"fucking 20 tick rate"
?????????????
>>341010807
She is useless.
>>341010831
Technically, shouldn't Pharah count as a sniper?
>>341001385
Yeah but all characters have mobile skills to get them to places faster.
Mei doesn't.
>>341010953
No, her rockets are really slow and easy to avoid outside of close range.
>>341002152
I feel that good Symmetra play should allow for 100% teleporter uptime, or at least close to it. Maybe make her ult charge a little slower while her teleporter is up to make it a bit more skill-needed.
>inb4 """""competitive""""""
>>341010807
>I'm simply explaining why she is the most picked character and more picked than Lucio in competitive
And I'm simply explaining that it's obvious why.
>If her ult was Lucio's ult Lucio would be used more.
I'm not even sure if this is supposed to be an argument since characters are balanced in different ways. Why would any two characters share an ult but completely different skills and abilities?
>Doesn't change the fact that you said it
I was sarcastically pointing out that your post was redundant for saying
>Heroes are picked because they are strong and excel at X!!!!
It was your fault for getting defensive and assuming I said she was the bestest hero evers.
>>341005057
800 years in ms paint
>>341004279
>>341004864
doesn't really look like a smirk. Looks more like a face someone would make when they're concentrating
>>341011025
oh no
>>341010930
She is used extensively on defense in "pro" matches. Bastion is not.
But do explain the relation and similarities Symmetra and Bastion have that make them both suck and why it makes them suck.
>>341010947
Explain why.
>>341010725
50+120 is how much?
Also, it's not a 'single grenade' if your condition also includes running into an obvious trap on the ground.
Junkrat is probably one of the most balanced characters in the game. Probably why he doesn't see more use at high level, because of the lack of obviously overpowered or broken bullshit.
>>341010867
I guarantee you you've run into several traps over the lifetime you've played this game.
>>340997819
>Buffing Mei
She's really fine as she is, a good Mei is incredibly annoying to deal with since she stalls so fucking much. Not every character must be designed to have high kill ratios.
The only buff I'd like to see at best would be her being able to skate on her own ice so when you shoot frost you can easily run around.
But even then I think it'd be too much.
>>341011107
She's good until people know how to counter her, then she's complete worthless shit
>>341011121
Literally no. I'm not braindead.
>>341011114
It is a single grenade though.
And 170 damage is enough to kill 3 characters in the game.
>>341010528
>Winston doesn't do shit to kill Tracer or Genji since they'll always run away before he can kill them.
Bullshit. Did you forget that the projectile arcs, allowing you to easily follow a Genji and keep the damage going, and that also he has a giant leap to match a Genji's swift strike?
>Yeah, and you need to start playing against better McCrees if you actually think it's a 50/50 when it's more like 99/1.
I take it you dont play fighting games.
50/50 doesn't refer to the matchup, it refers to a specific situation with the read of a flashbang.
When dueling at close range, assuming it's not a shitter McCree that just shat out the flashbang right away, when the McCree is trying to bait, you can either predict a flashbang and move forward while reflecting (thereby catching the flashbang before it hits the ground, and reflecting it) if you predict a close range throw, or you can jump and reflect if you predict an overhead throw.
When a character has a 50/50, that means that the character has the advantage inherently, as theyre dictating the pace of the matchup.
What's different is that against a Winston, Genji has no real solid options other than standard solid team support.
>>341011008
Yeah, but she can snipe with them, and a good sniper can often get you when you're not looking.
>>341009420
28 year old gramps here. In my experience, the people who accuse others of being 12 years old are almost always in their early teens
>>341011107
She does absolutely nothing the whole game.
>>341011189
Whatever helps you sleep at night, family.
>>341011076
>No erection pics
>>341011076
Not sure I understand what the bubbles are supposed to represent.
>>341011240
>I take it you dont play fighting games.
>fighting games
Holy shit, you're such a loser
Wanna go out sometime? I wanna rub my dick against yours.
>>341011023
>mei that low
bullshit data
she's easily the most broken character in the game next to mccree and bastion
>>341011308
Nice retort. Do you always get this upset whenever someone on the internet claims to be better than yourself?
>>341011023
>Genji that high
Did someone find something new? Or is it a meta call?
>>341011375
>Gets proven wrong
>Y-you're just a loser
Classic.
>>341011382
Mei is underpicked both in-game and in "comp"
turns out a 1v1 champion is completely fucking worthless in a team-based game, who knew?
>>341001034
No that's Mei.
>>341011023
Now that is fucking weird. Why are two supports near the top when nobody ever wants to fucking play a support?
>>341011449
I was a different anon, I just want to frott with you. I think it would be fun, I like losers.
>>341011436
Genji is a pretty well rounded attack character who is one of the few who can deal with McCree on a lucky deflect. Constant threat to Lucio and Mercy. Highly mobile.
>>341011382
>complaining about mei, let alone bastion
even the casual pubshitters stopped complaining about bastion after the first week, git gud
>>341011578
Let's just cut to the chase and have you stick your dick in my mouth.So I can bite it off.
>>341011240
>Did you forget that the projectile arcs, allowing you to easily follow a Genji
Winston can't follow a Genji though since he has faster movespeed, can go vertical, and his dash is on the same cooldown. Also, good job ignoring Tracer :)
>I take it you dont play fighting games.
Of course not, since we're talking about an FPS.
>50/50 doesn't refer to the matchup, it refers to a specific situation with the read of a flashbang.
But it's not a 50/50. 50/50 implies that the flashbang will turn the tide, but the fact is that McCree wins easily even without the flashbang since he can burst Genji with FTH or just land 2-3 left clicks. Genji has zero advantage since McCree dictates the flow of the fight.
>What's different is that against a Winston,
Is that a Winston will never kill a good Genji whereas a McCree can.
Moving away from this vaccuum discussion, the original point the other Anon made was that McCree is needed to stop Genji and Tracer. Winston can at best deter them from sticking around.
>>341011627
Honestly I prefer sucking dick to getting my dick sucked.
>>341011428
Why would I be upset at you lying? It makes no difference to me if you eat traps every day or have clairvoyance and haven't walked into one for over 1000 hours of play.
I wanna vape weed with Mei
>>341011679
Perhaps we can arrange something in the sixty-nine position.
>>341011716
Because you're still replying.
>>341004279
I HATE HER FACE
>>341011751
Mei-Meis
get it?
>>341011785
Can wekissandhugandcuddleandhold handsafter?[No homo tho/spoiler]
>>341011235
Yes a single grenade and a FUCKING trap.
If you get hit by that trap then you deserve to die.
>>341011949
No, because the word is pronounced meem. I always figured the person who started that "joke" pronunciation was embarrassed when they found out they'd been pronouncing it wrong the whole time and desperately looked for a way to rationalize it.
>>340997819
ok here's what i think she should be:
hp200, her icicle has no falloff ,her leftclick on the ground slows enemies and speeds up allies and her, longer to freeze enemies
>>341011796
By that logic you're also upset.
>>341011174
Pros know more about countering than the vast majority of players do and yet she's extensively used on defense. Tell me exactly what you believe to be the effective way to counter her and I'll explain why that does not work at the highest level of play.
And if you're just going to say "who cares about pro gaming its a casual game, pros are shitters, etc" well Symmetra has the 2nd highest winrate in quickplay so far https://watcher.gg/heroes
But of course, you said that it's only bad people that do bad against her, so that statistic is meaningless, but then you can't just say that pro statistics are meaningless as well.
>>341011263
Gives 25 hp shields to each ally for free. Extremely useful for flankers and Zenyatta. Semi useful for average 200hp heroes.
Sets up to 6 small damaging proximity turrets, although less lethal than torb's, there are many, extra damage to different areas around the map can turn the tide of the game, just as any ability can.
Those are of course AI controlled turrets, Symmetra herself can deal damage while those Turrets are up. Symmetra's left click increases in damage as she holds it down, ending up able to melt even a Roadhog with ease. Her right click is a decent zoning tool that as a bonus, bypasses Reinhardt's shield.
Her Teleporter is game changing just like Mercy's, as one of the 2 ults able to bring allies back to fight quicker. Her's has 6 uses, if her allies are not stupid they will not always use the Teleporter if avaliable. Only slower characters should use it normally, and if your allies need the reinforcement immediately it can be used.
It can be destroyed, but if you have some gamesense you can keep a mental track of where flankers are in the game and you or your allies can defend the teleporter if needed.
She's a multi-purpose Hero.
> another mei thread by people who don't understand how half the hero list can counter her
>>341012096
I just find it amusing.
>>341012115
Stopping by to say that winrate in solo q means nothing. In DotA and LoL for example a champ can have a high winrate because of the low usage rate so only mains who pubstomp use them in low MMR games.
That said, Symmetra has a niche and it's on defense of big maps. If you watch the pros you'll see they often switch her out after losing one or two points in payload.
>>340999506
Please. Junkrat is the only viable zoner in this entire game, when you get queue'd up with 4 idiots who ignore rein's shield to go play flank of duty and you literally have no line. Junk is fine and EASILY killed to boot. git gud.
Pharah is the only character that is complete bullshit.
>>341011751
she really just did the h3h3 vape nashe sign
Symmetra shields needs to be changed.
+25 Shield
And converts 33% of ally HEALTH into shield.
That way she can still give a below-average "healing" but doesn't have to be with the team.
>>341012171
Keep telling yourself that fampai.
>>341009120
>Junkrat's shift (120)
That shit can also headshot while in the air, learned it the hard way when a Junk just one shot me when I had 225HP just by throwing it.
>>341012064
Needs a bit more. How about her icicle can also be used as a rocket jump of sorts, so she can reach high places easily?
>>341012115
nice wall
doesn't make symmetra less shit
>>341011630
>Winston can't follow a Genji though since he has faster movespeed, can go vertical
Winston doesn't need to, the range of his arc is long enough to continue streaming on a double jump.
>and his dash is on the same cooldown.
He only needs to use it in response to Swift Strike. You won't encounter a typical situation where you'll need to hold the arc on Genji for longer than one use of that. I haven't timed it out specifically, but it takes maybe 3-4 seconds to kill assuming you keep a relatively consistent stream, which is pretty easy.
Best case scenario is the duel is taking place in a complex, multi levelled layout where Genji can easily get to a health pack. But even still, that puts nothing in the favor of direct matchup for Genji.
>Also, good job ignoring Tracer :)
Maybe because I was discussing it only from the point of view from a Genji. I never claimed Winston to be good at dealing with Tracer. The fuck.
>But it's not a 50/50. 50/50 implies that the flashbang will turn the tide
No it doesn't it implies that the use of that specific situation (which is one of McCree's main ways of gaining an upper hand) is now a not garaunteed one.
As far as just purely Genji vs. the revolver, again, McCree has the advantage, but doesn't have his means of instantly shutting down Genji. Genji's natural ability to evade is far greater than McCree, and remember McCree is still squishy, so Genji can win that encounter. This is assuming a longer range situation, as McCree's really have little reason not to try the flashbang.
>the original point the other Anon made was that McCree is needed to stop Genji and Tracer.
Winston can pretty reliably kill Genji. Though again, I can't speak to Tracer, because I dont have enough 1 v 1 experience with her, but it's not as if Winston and McCree are the only stops to Genji anyway.
>>341004540
>I'm a retard and it's the game's fault
>>341012321
Sure thing, famalam. Doesn't make you better at avoiding those braindead traps.
stop fucking reminding me of this anti-fun hero, only autists play her
>>341012247
I agree it doesn't, but I'm arguing with people that think Pro statistics are bogus because the game is so easy, so I'll also post quick play statistics that show that she is obviously not useless/ a liability for the team. These people think that she is literally shit.
And I completely agree that she is niche, she is generally ineffective on attacking and KOTH. But strong on Defense.
>>341012364
Nice argument. Maybe try discussing and/or arguing instead of shitposting sometime. Believing that you're always right and everyone else is wrong is not a good mindset to have.
>>341009336
2nding
>>341012567
Psst. *walks up to you and breathes lightly on your ear* Mei.
>pharah has 200 hp wearing full metal armor
>mei has 250 wearing winter clothes
Does this mean fat = more hp?
>>341009336
You mean make her ult literally another Molten Core? Sounds fucking boring.
>>340997819
nobody give a shit about this meme game.
it's over.
cry a little and grow up.
>>341012676
roadhog has the most hp in the game so it makes sense
>>341012612
You really don't belong here
>>340999506
For me the only thing i hate about Junkrat is the detection range / shitty hitboxes of the game means he can fire 90 degrees to the left of someone and still get a fucking hit. Every time i die to a Junkrat and watch the kill cam, the bombs aren't even clipping with the red outline around my hero, let alone my actual model.
Same shit happens with other heroes but its way more noticable on junkrat.
>>341012847
this 2bh
>>341008415
false. Junkrat is a zoner who is easy as hell to burst down. git gud.
>>341008796
Winston is probably the easiest tank to deal with when I play Zarya, since his attack is aoe he just constantly charges up my beam even if he tries to not hit the target I shielded.
>>341012847
>>341013014
>400 post thread about the game
>"Damn better samefag and say nobody gives a shit, gotta protect my fragile ego!"
>>341008415
It takes at least two grenades to kill non-tanks.
>>341008661
at 400 hp she gets bursted down pretty easily. You've got to single her out. She's most dangerous when left alone.
>>341012612
>m-muh competitive
>m-muh autism
kys and go back to r/overwatch
btw >>>/reddit/
>>341012878
Roadhog is THICK.
>>341013107
found the cuck
>>341012981
On the board about videogames? Christ man chill out. If you're implying /v/ can't construct an argument and that's why anon doesn't belong here I understand though.
>>341013176
Buzzwords: the post
>>341013249
You found yourself? Congratulations!
>>341013254
Nice buzzwords btw.
>>341009334
This. I play alot of genji, and while it's easy to kill bad McCree's, you have to respect the good ones. I usually take out good McCree's by poking them down from afar, then swift striking in to force their hand.
That said, get ready for that fan nerf.
>>341013338
screenshot your post, thanks for the laugh
>>341010083
He's right though. I play a ton of genji, and even good McCree's are less troublesome then a regular winston. Winston cannot be 1v1'd whereas genji v mcree always has wiggle room.
>>341013465
You're welcome!
Am I the only one to only have games where I either get completely shat on or where I shit on absolutely everyone as Genji? There's no in-between with him.
>>341010463
Pharah is extraordinarily good, and technically the most broken character in the game right now. But for some reason, thank god, most players are too retarded to multitask jump pack with aiming rocket or it would be fucking Ragnarok out there.
>>341012981
Maybe I don't anymore. I don't remember getting into arguments with literal children that plug their ears when confronted with different opinions than their's back in 2010-2012 on /v/.
Of course now you're just going to call me new and suggest I gb2leddit or something similar.
>>341013664
That's probably because of the enemy team having certain heroes to counter you so that'd explain why you get shit on as him sometimes
>>341010528
You're retarded if you think Winston isn't a problem for genji. He's literally the definition of mobility killer. He's got a 4 second cooldown on his leap while swifft strike has 7 seconds.
And only bad genji's are going to fight McCree's up close when he's got anything over 50 hp, so that argument is a tad absurd.
>>341013080
I didn't think people could actually get ptsd from the internet but whoever made this image was seriously triggered hard
>playing Junkrat
>trap+mine a large health pack
>TRIGGERED+detonate=solo kill
>keep getting the same guy over and over
Every time, there's that one weak link on the enemy team who doesn't look down.
>>341011107
You clearly haven't seen Seagull's Bastion vs Lumi
>>340997819
I've sniped widowmakers and flying pharahs with the icicle, I dunno what the fuck you're on about.
>>341000150
>D.Va signs with "Love, D.Va"
Fucking perfect first frame. The rest is trash, because D.Va is a bitch.
>>341013785
I think it's a joke image. It's massive with a shit ton of stuff that barely have anything in common with one another.
>>341013905
>one of the few times Bastion is used.
>this must mean Bastion is used at lot in competitive.
A random highlight does not equate to a statistic. And I was not saying Bastion is bad.
>>341011630
>Winston can't follow a Genji though since he has faster movespeed, can go vertical, and his dash is on the same cooldown.
This is actually completely wrong. The movement speed is nominal compared to Winston's arc range and how fast it dish out 200 damage. His cd is 3 seconds shorter then swift strike and he can essentially reach almost any point genji can. Winston literally is the best counter to genji. McCree is dangerous but still fairly killable as long as you don't play to his advantage.
Either you're retarded or you're making shit up to win your argument.
I love how every thread arguing if a character is OP or not always comes down to MUH COMPETITIVE, as if any shitter here will ever play anything close to competitive, get real fucking scrub shits.
>>341013785
t. 16 year old spic
>>341001019
She's cute! CUTE!
>>341013664
Genji is fairly depended on team competency. If you're team is getting smoked, you can't do anything as Genji. Doesn't matter how MLG you are. If you're team is at LEAST competing, opportunities will arise for you to make plays.
It literally comes down to that. Genji is 90% play oriented.
>>341014246
This 2bh. McRee is good in competitive but Torb is OP in casuals therefore Torb should get nerfed and McRee should get buffed.
>>341000150
I wish real lesbians were cute and all-around sweet people.
>>341013741
It was GG that started this all. I guarantee it. That's when people started blaming literally every fucking boogeyman in the universe, from cucks to tumblr.
>>341014246
I don't use competitive statistics as an argument for a character being OP/shit/etc, I use it for when someone says something like "only bad players use x character" or "x character is useless if you're good at the game" or "x character is only bad if you're bad at the game."
Competitive statistics often prove these baseless statements wrong.
It's /v/'s common strange mindset that competitive gaming is retarded but they're a really good player that knows everything and everyone else is shit at the game, including the pros.
>>341010725
Oh no you got outplayed and got intakilled for it.
Oh no, Widowmaker head shot you. You got outplayed and got instakilled for it.
Oh no, you got within McCree's flashbang range and he stunned & fanned you. You got outplayed and got instakilled for it.
Shit happens, faggot. The fact a rat trapped you at least shows they know how to play and do more than randomly M1 hoping for lucky hits.
>>341014589
I've met some rather nice ones on tumblr. It made me realize that /v/ was really the wrong crowd to be hanging out on. Yet I'm still here, currently because the Overwatch discussion is actually pretty good.
>>341008426
>competitive
The game is in its 3rd week running. What competitive scene is there?
>>341014715
>tumblr
Die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die
>>341014809
The scene that developed from closed beta participants, the closed beta was up for a while
>>341014715
sameBut for the life of me I cant understand the layout of tumblr. its fucking madness
>>341014237
>This is actually completely wrong.
How is it wrong when Genji is faster and has better vertical traversal? Winston is basically out of luck if they are anywhere but a flat surface with no other platforms, which is often not the case.
> Either you're retarded or you're making shit up to win your argument.
I don't have to win my argument. You already proved how retarded you are by claiming the McCree vs Genji matchup is anything but a complete stomp in McCree's favour every time.
>B-b-but muh deflect o-outplay...
kek
There's a reason why Seagull kept getting BTFO every time he saw a McCree.
>>341014809
Sadly there was a competitive scene back in the closed beta. It has transitioned out to release.
But anyways, there is weekly online tournaments and a couple LANs that have already occured, with hundreds of new teams singing up, of course many of these teams will be shit and won't make it anywhere.
Some teams have already been signed by big Esports orgs as well. ESL is going to host a 100k tournament in July.
So yeah, I'd say there's a competitive scene bubbling.
>>341014887
Reaper actually used Tumblr in his comic.
>>341014925
Blizzard esports are always a joke because they are forced, exclusive clubs
>>341015026
3 weeks since release still isn't enough to justify any data charts and statistics. All those people who say competitives don't pick character x talk out of their asses.
>>341015026
Wasn't there a bit of noise a while ago because Manchester United wanted to sponsor an OW team or something?
>>341015275
Don't worry, I can't see this games competitive scene living long anyways. It'll never be like CSGO.
>>341014982
Still better than Reddit's layout, that's for sure. My main problem with the tumblr setup is that it encourages reposting the same thing a lot and the post that gets quoted the most "ends" the discussion, even if someone comes in later with a better argument/facts. But not everyone is like that, at least.
>>341006452
we talking marydom?
>>341015501
So not a great place for large scale debates
>>341015324
These charts are limited in data yes, especially because Tournaments don't have a standard ruleset yet (some have been experimenting with 1 hero limit for instance - which the data in the image is based on) but its not like suddenly Zenyatta is going to flip to becoming most used without nerfs/buffs being issued.
And the guy who makes these was making them back in closed beta.
Since the last buffs/nerfs being issued back in closed beta, very little has changed in Hero picks. Only notably Reaper is seeing much more usage.
>>341015326
Didn't hear about that, seems unlikely to me, very strange they'd pick this game over an established game like League, Dota, or CSGO.
>>341015475
I do agree, but then again everyone said CSGO was going to die off the bat and the pros weren't going to play it. It wasn't until 2 years after its release that the competitive scene began to skyrocket.
>>341016053
I think the punchline went over my head
>>341016053
What's inappropriate about McRee?
>>341016160
I think it's just people complaining on the forums
>>341016539
ah, so buttblasting, got it.
>>341016164
He's got a great ass
>>340999506
>When a tracer presses E then immediately dashes into your trap
>>341015719
Well, yes, but what place is?
>>340999506
>Noob tube
>Martyrdom
>C4
>Explosive controllable killstreak.
Junkrat is literally Call of Duty 4: The Character.
>>341016847
He's a one man army pro + danger close pro user with martyrdom
>>341016847
maybe that's the point. maybe he's satire of cawwadoody players, especially with the noob tube
>>341016847
Which is odd because Blizzard specifically stated that 76 is the character that's targeted at people coming off CoD.
>>341006143
Looks like she's about to take a shit.
>>341009097
>mfw a torb goes full reaper and fucking quad kills my whole team after flanking them from behind on Anubis.
REMOVE
DWARF
>>340999137
>10 nades
>explosions are everywhere
>enemy team is scared of moving
>a genji try to assault you
>get caught in a bear trap and die
>>341017789
You are now imagining Torbjorn spinning around yelling DIE DIE DIE with a Svedish accent.
>>341017914
TAKES
![Star.vs.the.Forces.of.Evil.S01E03.Monster.Arm-The.Other.Exchange.Student.1080p.WEB.mkv_snapshot_11.37_[2016.05.26_02.14.21].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/X4idvYY.jpg "Star.vs.the.Forces.of.Evil.S01E03.Monster.Arm-The.Other.Exchange.Student.1080p.WEB.mkv snapshot 11.37 [2016.05.26 02.14.21]")
>be Junkrat
>some fool is on a kill streak
>"That's a nice streak you got there, it'd be a shame if it... BOMBED
>kills me
>big mistake fucker, allahu akbar
>>341017921
>yelling german
> DI DI DI
>>341002736
>press left mousebutton
>press Q
wooooow play of the game such skill
There a good aggregate for all the Overwatch SFM porn?
Boorus have jack shit, and I don't want to follow 8 million different tumblrs.
>>341018136
Speaking of German what does Mercy say?
HEAD IN STAB NICHED
>>341007109
>6990M
>>341018224
>potg
>shooting
WOOOOW WHAT SKILL
>>341018329
I remember something about Blizzard going full autist over their models
>>341018329
rule34hentai and /aco/ usually have the best
>>341018412
she's saying "heroes never die" in German
>>341011076
get the siberia winter skin so you don't have to deal with SJW bullshit
it looks straight up like from C&C
>>341018487
I thought that was just on the Steam workshops.
>>341018506
Thanks m8
>>341018329
use rule 34.paheal and put in the tag source_filmmaker
>>341018662
What's so good about C&C?
>>341002736
>when you go to show off for footage but forgot to select a spray first
Awkward.
>>341018839
Some hero-specific tags are bugged and don't work in replays, same if you haven't unlocked them yet. There's some bugs related to not owning some skins, like with Genji's reflect which turns bullets invisible if the Genji doesn't have the skin of the guy he just reflected (and if said skin have reskinned projectiles, like Pharah's for example).
>>341018662
I bought that skin but I still hate the stupid fucking goggles on it.
>>341005257
Yeah if they're overcommitted to spray only. If they know to back down and M2 then you're dead.
>>341007109
This is not a toaster
>>341007378
This is
>>341010463
She useless when I play her. She is a beast when others play her.
>>341007339
>walking back from spawn to payload in the first phase of Route 66
>walking from second spawn to payload after they've captured the point on king's row
I fucking love seeing a teleporter in these situations
>>341013864
>tfw that link is you
I swear I try but I step into every trap.
>>341007339
>symettra players think theyre skilled
>they just hold left click vaguely near you
>>341018013
>someone suicide bombs me as junkrat
>it is called allahuakbar1000
Makes you think
>>341008661
I'd say Widowmaker and Soldier 76. She should be a high priority target and I'm not looking forward to people figuring that out
>>341008334
t. low mmr plebian
>>341001056
Mei is almost impossible to one shot as roadhog, her hitbox is too small and she has 250 HP. And all of that considering she doesn't ice block before.
>>340999506
>all these people thinking junkrat is OP
Are these people playing on console or something? The only thing I could agree on is the mines he drops on death, but he's perfectly fine otherwise.
>>341021569
>And all of that considering she doesn't ice block before.
Hold M1 after the hook, you'll always fire before the enemy is capable of reacting.
>>341021674
The only reason anyone would complain about the death bombs is if they're new to the game.
Everyone knows about them, everyone knows what they do and how they work, if they kill you it's 100% your own fault.
I hope someone makes some good Mei SFM porn soon.
>>341001139
Nah, buffing her would just make her completely bullshit in those situations she's already strong in. There are a bunch of other characters who already only fit in certain modes and maps, like Thorbjorn and Symmetra. Mei is overall more viable than them.
>>340999134
>freezing you
>sounds Hot
She's probably frigid in bed anyway anon
>>340997819
>no damage fall off
Every character has no damage fall off
>>341022007
that's cool
>>341022040
What a stupid post you've made, delete it.
>>341022062
Stay frosty my man
>>341021789
The issue is when other people kill him, you don't notice thanks to tons of chaos and suddenly you die.
>>341015023
>what i got
>not this single picture
>>341016704
RIGHT CLICKKKKKK
>>341018575
Actually the literal translation from the german sentence back to english would be "heroes don't die."
>>341001034
>know I'm close to death
>throw my bear trap at their feet
>ALLAHU AKBAR
>>340999093
> Slight movement boost so she's quicker than fucking Bastion
> Shield is % base (So Tracer and Zen are still 25 but everyone else gets a bit more)
> Turrets have more health so a single bullet can kill it, but stuff like Mei's frost or weak stun moves don't destroy them if they brush past it
There, she's fixed now
>>341008426
>People only play Junk on defense because the game tells them he's a "Defensive Hero"
I didn't realise how few Overwatch players actually played TF2.
>>341024457
Well I didn't, so care to explain how TF2 pertains to this?
>>341024457
They play him on defence because blasting grenades from a stationary position into oncoming targets is far easier than the opposite, same reason Mei sees literally no offense play even though she's perfectly capable.
>>341024457
I've seen plenty of people play Junkrat on offense but there are better choices on offense.
>>341024740
Mei is a godawful offensive hero and relies on the enemy to be both clustered and walking into you to be useful. She's definitely not capable on offense. Her best use is on KotH and Hollywood defense. Other than that she's a weak pick and not very useful.
>>341012340
Is this serious? I realized that sometimes it was inflicting way more than 120 damage but allowing it to headshot is fucking retarded, especially since he can just make it explode in front of him without receiving any damage.
>>341024613
So TF2 sorted the 9 classes into 3 offense, 3 defence, and 3 support. This just meant what they are stronger at fighting in that capacity. It doesn't necessarily mean that a character is worthless at doing anything else.
For example, saying Junk isn't useful unless you are playing defence on an a/d map. Is like saying Pharah is only useful at playing attack on an a/d map. When as long as you have a good team comp, they are both great on any map, any side.
>>341025084
Your points on Junk and Mei seem to be based only on players you've seen. All characters have different skill ceilings and barriers to higher skilled play. If a player is skilled enough, and the team comp matches, any hero is viable on any map, any side.
>>341010867
I bet you also miss every shot looking at the ground the entire match, scub.
>>340969684
>Winston
>Bad
>>341004726
>playing the game as intended
woah
>>341000331
>highest winrate hero needa a buff
lol
>>341025354
I play both and what I've found is that there are better choices. I realized that Pharah was usually a better pick on offense if you want splash explosive damage while Widow and S.76 are both better at taking out turrets and Bastion. Junkrat is a fucking god in KotH though but so is Pharah.
I play Mei quite a bit and I know she'd be god awful at attack. The only way she'd be truly useful is by blocking a Bastion with her ice wall for a couple seconds and that's not particularly good. If you're using her for her icicle damage why not play Widow since she has the same long range damage with better mobility?
>>341025656
Quite possibly the most pointless post I've ever seen in my life, and yes I've looked in a mirror.
>>341025656
Symmetra is really only useful for her teleporter. That way you can get your team back into the fight for the first point quicker but if the enemy can get past that point she quickly loses her usefulness. At that point you might as well switch characters.
I play Genji quite a bit just to get past the first defensive line and force the enemy team to fall back and deal with me. Once they do that my team moves forward and caps the point. After that I switch characters to something more useful for the situation and it gets counted as a Genji win.
I agree she doesn't need a buff, though
>>341025084
>He hasn't done offensive mei on anubis
>He's only seen Mei's that can't aim M2
On any map Mei can quickly turn a 6v6 into a 6v3 twice, every ten seconds. Your opinion is absolutely shit.
>>341025743
It all depends on team comp, but almost always I would rather have a Junk on my offensive team than a Widow. Especially since Junk is a HARD COUNTER to turrets and Bastion.
>>341026442
Widow and Pharah are both better counters to turrets and Bastion because they can kill them from much farther away. He's a good counter to them but I'd rather either of those.
>>341026242
I play Mei and I know there are more useful picks on Anubis
>>341026582
Apparently you didn't keep playing Mei to actually get good because you're so focused on competitive picks. You're trying to bend the discussion from whether she's perfectly capable on attack to whether she's the best out of the entire cast.
Why even play anyone that isn't McCree, Widow, Reinhardt, Lucio or Mercy?
>>341026582
Junk can aswell, just learn to arc nades good. If you can do that and learn your maps well, you can kill Bastions ez without ever even being in their line of sight.
>>341026759
The only hero less capable on offense is Symmetra. This does not mean that she's perfectly capable on offense it means she's situationally useful. That's not the same as being a capable offensive character
Capable is S.76 because he's good in any role. I never said anything about competitive picks but I know the reality is that Mei is a shit offense character.
