Without buzzwords and non-arguments, explain why censoring visuals effects a game at all? It will still play the same so what's the problem?
I'm not trying to argue, I genuinely don't understand
It doesn't really affect anything and anyone who says it does is retarded. It's annoying because it's basically a company or companies saying "you can't see this..." but it's what they think is best for business and at the end of the day it is a business.
Now censorship that removes or alters the core gameplay/story is a different story for obvious reasons.
A game's visuals are an important part of how enjoyable it is. A character's design is an important element of a game's aesthetic when that design features prominently, like for instance on a main character. Changing that design changes the aesthetic.
Not that I particularly give a shit about these specific changes, or even think the changes are particularly major, but it should be pretty obvious to see why a change in visuals affects a game.
>>340883056
Because the visuals are a part of the game's attractive and they're removing that attractive for no reason.
>>340883709
But it's essentially just an "alternate" costume. This would be like saying when they adjust the color palette of a fighter when both players pick him in street fighter they're ruining the game. The changes are never enough to be a big deal. Cover some cleavage here. Remove a butt crack here. Ger rid of some bounce. The game still plays the same.
>>340883056
next thing you'll accept is bullshot trailers with non-existent gameplay that you'll still buy because people who don't buy it are gamergators/berniebros/racists
Jezus Christ, OP is usually a faggot but this time he's outdone himself.
>>340883958
Come on, dude. The question was about whether it affects the game. I didn't say anything about "ruining the game", I said it affects the game.
And that example doesn't really work. It'd be more like if a fighter had an entirely different color scheme in the overseas version than it did in the US. Yeah, that affects the game.
>>340884282
>does literally everything op asks not to do and renders his post pointless
wew
>make a weeb game about idols
>idols is all about pandering and objectification so much as to having groups composed of hundreds of girls that can be easily interchanged to keep the brand alive
>remove weeb elements
>>340884249
cinematic trailers are fine though
>>340883958
>Cover some cleavage here. Remove a butt crack here. Ger rid of some bounce. The game still plays the same.
If said fanservice is a draw for you, then yes, it is a big deal. People play games for all sorts of reasons, and one of them is entertainment.
This obviously doesn't go for games such as Life is Strange. But many jap games are made with said entertainment factor in mind.
Also, even if you leave the gameplay/fanservice reasoning aside, the whole act of censorship like that is utterly questionable. If you ask me, the findamental principle of playing games the way they were made, is already enough to not encourage censorship/excessive localization.
>>340883056
Because visuals are a fundamental part of video games, and they're modifying the original creator's design
>>340884487
I think that's the main problem regardless of your own feelings towards fanservice and idol culture.
Instead of working in perfect harmony as a whole, Nintendo's right hand is deleting what Nintendo's left hand does.
Nintendo's worst enemy is Nintendo.
>>340883378
Why can't more realize this
>>340883056
it changes the game from what it originally was
>>340884282
who dis
>>340885056
/thread
>>340883056
Without buzzwords and non-arguments, explain why games need to be censored at all? It will still play the same so what's the problem?
I'm not trying to argue, I genuinely don't understand
Visuals/fanservice are a part of the game just like everything else.
I should be able to enjoy Fates for the waifu petting as well as the tactics. Or Xenoblade X for the potato tiddies as well as the giant robots.
see i dont get the thing about minorly censoring tittys in weeb games
it potentially helps increase sales of games by making it more friendly to the public (at least overseas market), so the devs can potentially make another game
>its not like g.e-hentai doesn't have 50 different flavors of waifu-senpai-chan uncensored anyway
>>340883056
>>340883056
imagine the mona lisa, and then put a burqa on her face,
its the same thing.
>>340885739
Hyperboles!
>>340885670
if you wanted a normie game then don't make a weebgame
>>340883056
>explain why censoring visuals effects a game at all?
Because I'm not a fag and I enjoy looking at tits and ass. Taking away skin takes away some pleasure from playing the game.
>>340885873
sorry i dont cry tears over 3 frames being cut out of fake titty bouncing like y'all do pal
It pisses young hedonistic men off when they're denied potential fapbait. It's as simple as that.
>>340885816
How so?
>It's the same painting
>The color, oils, structure, all of them are unchanged
>The face is hidden so it doesn't offend people who doesn't like that particular face or muslims, increasing worldwide appeal and by extension sales
>>340883056
Explain why a game marketed towards teenagers and young adults needs to censor bikinis and clothing that are acceptable even by puritan burgerclap standards?
>>340886187
No faces have been covered in this game, you fucking retard.
>>340886278
someone should censor this entire site
>>340883056
Basically just voting with my wallet. I get interested in the game I see initially in the jap trailers. Then the US release has shit chopped out of it for no reason at all. I don't want the fucked-with version, I want the same version the japs get.
I also want dual audio. I'm not anti-dub, I just want the option to hear the original track. It's irritating that I can't. It's a part of the original game, so I want it.
I'm not a child, I don't need a sanitized version of the game. The market for these kinds of games isn't exactly normie anyway, and never will be.
The story is actually censored too.
They literally removed a character from a scene because they thought it looked too sexual.
>>340883958
>The game still plays the same.
Which is why it's not enough to complete ruin the game. But the little things do actually matter, as much as you don't think they do. You probably had no interest in the game to begin with so it's easy for you to say those things.
In this case, I didn't care til I saw Tsubasa in a wedding dress, with her cleavage and skin covered up in white. Making her a little more wholesome to widen appeal is questionable to me mostly because offended people wouldn't buy the game anyways, but I get there's brand representation and whatnot. I see why they do it. What actually gets me is that it's so fucking lazy. They take the design, which is made with a balance and contrast in mind, and lazily throw something to cover her up and destroy said balance.
If you're gonna change something, fucking do it right. Redesign the whole fucker. You devalue your own standard for quality by doing the easiest thing.
>>340886385
>I take analogies literally!
>>340886037
That's not the point.
The point is, you can't create a product for a particular demography only to change it so it doesn't appeal to said demography in the first place.
>>340886208
This is a very good question.
It's astounding that westerners in an age group that can drive and vote can't be exposed to some cunt wearing a two piece.
>>340883056
Well it's good to see someone still respects standards of decency.
>>340883378
Didn't FE Fates alter a FUCKLOAD of story yet people still bought and defended it?
>>340886385
>covering faces is offensive
>but breasts and ass are okay!
Kill yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJlyfXgazgU
>>340886602
its minor changes i bet not even a ton of its censored my dude just bust out your weiner to some fucking actual porn
Censorship's bad m'kay.
Rather, when something has been created and is delivered to certain masses, how is it ethical to take the same product and modify it to suit your opinion of what's socially acceptable (a subjective concept) and have only that available to your masses?
>order a Tenga from Japan to USA
>cannot order any standard Japanese sizes because "the larger ones suit the US demographic better"
>my micropenis sad
>>340884716
I don't think toi8 cares
I didn't care about censorship in the last games, but
>make weaboo idolshit pandering game
>take away pander
How fucking stupid do you have to be?
>>340883056
I don't like playing ninjas or ghosts
>>340883056
Why don't you put yourself in the shoes of someone that hates censorship? Say you're some weeb guy that's going to get the newest game in his favorite lewd loli quest series, but it turns out that some fapbait CGs got edited and costumes got covered up for an audience that won't buy the game. Also, the minigame where you get to do lewd things with lolis got completely removed. Not only that, but characters had their names, ages, and personalities changed for no damn reason. But it's okay, right? The same generic gameplay is still there. Why should you care about anything else?
>>340883056
Depends on the kind of person you are. Some people don't care about censorship unless something they care about is affected. That's why you're seeing a sudden upswing in censorship hate, anime titties are getting censored what seems like more than usual. If you're that kind of person, you won't care because visuals don't affect the gameplay itself (though they can aid or detract from the overall experience). In some cases, visuals can relate to the story, and by altering them, it alters the story.
Some people just want the product as the creators intended it, and are insulted and/or angered by censorship because it messes with the creator's vision. It's really a matter of principles. I've been complaining about censorship for 16ish years, all sorts of censorship, from sexual censorship to violence, to words, etc. Fatal Frame V had some outfits removed which I don't care much about because I don't like fanservice much, especially in horror games, but I'd still rather them be in the game than be removed, even if replaced by other sexy outfits.
>>340884401
You don't need extra 'arguments' to want the full, unneutered content. No one claims it enhances gameplay 'mechanics', but it does enhance the game unless all you care about is the pure gameplay and don't care about atmosphere, art, presentation, ...
It's like arguing that changing the iconic music to a film doesn't change the actual film, "it's still the same film hurr durr", it's retarded. Granted, most censorship is not that extreme, but it's the same reasoning.
>>340885245
Hilda from the manga Beelzebub.
>>340886632
Don't westerners lose their virginities at 14 in average?
Denying them from seeing Kiria's thong doesn't mean much when they can see real thongs
>>340883958
>The game still plays the same.
tell that to Fire Emblem
>>340886543
japanese onry gaijin go home and fuckyouself
>>340886598
The analogy doesn't work, that's the point.
>>340886448
oryou could just leave
>>340887324
fuck i've been had, call the sjw police, boys
Can 4chan just stop being faggots and get back to raiding SJWs again?
I remember when actions spoke more than words here. I don't have a problem with peaceful resolution and oration to negotiate and establish pacifistic ends, but when that fails in dire straights, that's when they've accepted the horrors of war and are willing to engage in it, even when they don't want to.
>>340887048I hope TRUMP 2016 wins this election so we can cut off all these mudslimes from coming to our great nation.
obviously the solution here is to make our own damn titty games and revolutionize the stronghold the capitalists have put upon ourselves
a spectre has taken hold of 4chan
>>340885739
>>340886187
Art is a visual medium, where the main source of enjoyment of that medium is looking at a presented graphic and getting an idea from it. Not only does drawing a burka effect the composition of the art, but also effects the idea.
Censoring a costume in a game has no effect on what is important to that game: the gameplay.
>>340883056
it effects my boner
>>340886553
Is this real, are are you lying/memeing?
>>340887659
gameplay is not the only important part of video games
>>340887503
That never happened; in fact, this place has always been opposed to internet vigilantism (see: project chanology).
I think you're confusing this place with the other chan, the one owned by the crippled guy.
>>340887797
Except it is you fucking dolt.
I don't care how pretty the graphics are, if you GAME has shitty GAMEplay, then its not worth the time
>>340887659
>Censoring a costume in a game has no effect on what is important to that game: the gameplay.
True for the most part. Still not acceptable, but true usually. However, some games are undeniably story focused, and there are times when a character's appearance is important. Rare, but it happens.
It's like Power Rangers without the helmet
>>340887893
then just play a regular game and not video games
>>340887520
communist tranny detected, >>>/tumblr/
Islam is the only non-degenerate religion, all people who have been koranpilled know that homosexuals should die
People don't play weeb games for the gameplay, they play for the cleavage and fanservice.
>>340887503
You sound like the edgiest fuck. And also retarded. Raiding and harassing people only makes us look like assholes and makes people who would other be neutral join their cause. It makes them louder, and it gives them more reason to do what they do.
>>340886385
don't be so stupid anon.
Why is Nintendo trying to hard to destroy their own company?
>>340887942
I love it.
It's so fucking ridiculous. Goddamit.
>>340883709
>TL;DR Boobs
>>340886448
you mean 'localize'
>>340887942
>literally censoring skin
Thats fucking 4kids level, holy shit
>>340887659
That's the other thing. Video games are a multimedia form of art and a game, to be more specified.
When a game has a story and elements of its own world, people want what the creators are trying to communicate to the viewers. It's why there's romhackers and fan translators having done work on games like Final Fantasy of all series to understand what was lost in corporate translations. It's why some people resent Nintendo. It's no different than people who want to know the truth, no matter how brutal and blunt it is, and no different than outrage at censorship because censorship is a form of lying, in that matter.
>>340888089
Because they took too long to realize that smartphones are the future of casual gaming
>>340887942
>censor kiddies game cause, "muh skin!"
>100 people dead or injured in massive shooting because they're gay
Fuck this stupid planet.
>>340883056
i will not play it if its censored
>>340887114
this to be honest
>>340887942
Even hand skin
>>340883056
>I genuinely don't understand
Of course you do.
You're just too emotionally invested to admit it.
Think about some games you like.
And then replace all character/environment graphics with rectangles. Replace all sounds with beeps. Remove music.
Would that honestly not make them worse?
Visuals matter. Presentation matters.
The answer is in yourself. Be honest with yourself.
Why are Nintendo's changes bad? Because people who have nothing to do with development of the game are adding changes to it. No matter how small, they just can't be aceptable.
>>340886682
It only changed some of the supports, the actual story was the same
>>340888089
One of the more common theories is that they're trying to ensure certain games bomb in sales so they have an excuse not to localize them anymore, as the only games they care about are first party Nintendo titles.
>>340887297
>teaching weebs to get used to being friendzoned
On second thought those censors might just be onto something. Oh wait
>denying kissless virgins any emotional affection, artificially or otherwise
Now I'm sad.
In addition to everything that's already been said, censorship is just ridiculous. I don't care whether it's costumes, or dialogue, or "localization" by adding memes. It's all fucking stupid. I'm an adult and I don't need to be told what I can or can't view. I'd understand somewhat if we're talking E rated games, but we're talking T and M. Even the non-adults should be able to see this shit.
>>340883056
You could ask why visuals are important at all.
Yet here we are jerking off to 'muh 4k' and crying when something 'looks bad'.
Visuals matter whether you like it or not
>>340883056
>explain why censoring visuals effects a game at all?
It effects the visuals of the game.
>>340888318
yes yes, i'm sure it's a conspiracy, and not nintendo trying to maintain a family friendly image
>>340888181
Except that, again, story and gameplay are huge parts to a game. A story can covey more to a player then a girl with a big ass can.
>>340883056
Fat otaku neetlords can't fap to it anymore
>>340888303
This is such an extreme analogy, but I like it. Good job.
>>340888462
>Release a game full of horror and violence and death and suicide
>Remove bikins
>This maintains the family friendly image
>>340888213
>tfw just read about that
Can't wait for more gun laws!just fucking kill me already
>>340888462
If they want to maintain a family friendly image, then why did they approve #FE to be made in the first place?
>A game is just about gameplay!
This fallacy again?
Video games aren't just about gameplay. They're also about the fantasy of characters and setting in the context of general entertainment. A game like Tokyo Mirage is built around fanservice, centering around the life of a magical gravure model in Japan. Censoring the game to reduce sexuality not only makes the designs less visually appealing, it also infringes on the story, such as when a gravure photographer is supposed to be taking bikini photos of her but is censored to be taking pictures of her in street clothes. This makes no sense.
Aside from directly effecting the quality of the game, supporting or turning a blind eye to blatant censorship issues sends a message that demeaning video games in such a way is acceptable, which it isn't.
>>340883056
Because eye candies make the whole experience better and sometimes are the only worthwhile reason to play a game at all (like the one posted in OP)..
>>340883958
You could also propose to just change all character art to ms paint shit.
>It doesn't affect the gameplay, it still plays the same
>>340888567
It's not an analogy.
>>340888317
Character dialogue is still a major part of a story.
>>340886892
One of the dungeons is themed in such a way that it offers a certain critique on idol culture and due to the censorship changes the message it was trying to send to the player is dulled.
>>340887942
Man I'm so glad I didn't buy this crap.
>>340883958
>But it's essentially just an "alternate" costume. This would be like saying when they adjust the color palette of a fighter when both players pick him in street fighter they're ruining the game.
Except for the part where the original color palette is still in the game.
>>340888656
>Video games aren't just about gameplay
Again, they're an important part. Your story doesn't mean shit if your game is fucking boring
>>340888656
TL;DR
Anti-censorship fags or those that don't care one way or the other are just people who haven't had something they care about censored yet.
>>340888582
wow
>it's another censorship episode
>>340888871
Gameplay being great doesn't mean shit if other parts are garbage.
Why don't they just add an option in the menu to allow "censored content?"
Then MUH CHILDRENS won't see a woman's ankle or read naughty words and adults can actually see the game as the original creators intended it.
>>340888871
And your gameplay doesn't mean shit if the game isn't appealing. Thanks for ignoring the entire point of the post you're replying to.
>>340889023
Nigger I hope you're joking
>>340888591Good thing I just met up with my FFL today so I'm getting my pistol in 10 days before the gun laws in CA get even worse.
>>340888967
It helps to not play terrible games like Tetris
>>340888729
Listening to Sophie talk about her shitty horse is not part of the story
>>340887942
Ho-lee-shit. And people will still come out of the woodwork to defend Nintendo of America. It's so blatantly fucking stupid.
It's like that Hannibal show that frequently has scenes of absurd gore, yet censors genitals in paintings if they're in frame. Like, are you fucking kidding me?
Then they'll use the defense
>well if the gameplay is good, it shouldn't matter
Which is fucking wrong. It matters. Aesthetic matters. Art matters. This is some putting pants on the statue of David shit. This is some painting pants on the Sistine Chapel shit. It's disgusting and absurd whether it's being done to a historical work of art or some weeb game. It shouldn't be tolerated either way.
>lets make a game that panders to waifufags and idolshits
>lets remove the core of waifuism and try and cover every instance of skin shown
So who the fuck do you expect to buy this shit?
>>340889067
Because you're a vocal minority they don't care about
>>340887942
>>340888582
This is why I refuse to play anything that was localized by NoA these days. Well, their censorship and their horrible localization in general.
>>340889172
>an account of imaginary or real people and events told for entertainment.
Defintion of story btw
Your logic is "I don't liek that so its not story"
>>340888154
I dunno, at least 4kids didn't think collar bones were the devil's work.
>>340888213
>because they're gay
Too bad OP wasn't there.
>>340888462
This isn't exactly a family game. Atlus titles aren't family games. SMT sure as hell isn't a family title.
>>340889080
>the GAMEplay of a GAME doesn't matter
Wew lad
This is why censorfags aren't taken seriously
>>340886278
Are there any more famous films/lit that involve sex with minors? I want to use them as an example as to why faggots that want video games to be art, yet can't handle a 16 year old in a bikini don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
>>340887893
It's the most important but not the only one. Most jrpgs have terrible gameplay but are enjoyed due to being carried by their their immersive sorry, striking visual style or well composed music.
>>340889067
Why the hell do they even have a Parental Control option in the first place if anything is already censored to the point of being infant-proof?
>>340889502
Not sure if it's famous, but Stephen King's IT has an underage gangbang in it.
>>340889239
Why favor one vocal minority for another then?
>>340883056
Yeah. You are right.
I think we can just take out all the blood from the Mortal Kombat too.
Violence and sexuality are literally unnecessary for the gaming.
Same principle.
>>340889818
Maybe you should ask them yourself
>>340889080
I play for the story
>>340887659
WTF
Are you implying that videogames are not an audiovisual form of art?
ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?
Look up the definition of art, or of a "piece of art", or better yet, don't, you'll probably not understand, let me explain simply for you small mind:
Art is everything that is lasting and has been made by a human for the purpose of aesthetics, or to express something such as feelings, ideas, visions of the world or simply works of fiction.
Therefore, a videogame is goddamn art. And hell yes it's visual, or do you play games with your eyes closed?
Fucking faggot, I bet you're one of those people who think vidiogames cannot be considered art...
>>340889634
>Most jrpgs have terrible gameplay
Like fucking what?
>>340883056
If its not a problem
why censor it at all
>>340883056
It's someone else (or a group) deciding what you can and what you can't see/do. I'll decide for myself, thank you, but no thank you.
>>340889394
Gameplay doesn't matter if no one wants to play the game. That is correct.
>>340888463
I think that's the other problem. When nations and cultures that don't have their shit together irl, they'll do stupid shit.
Like the US. There's rape everywhere, teenage girls getting pregnant, underage sex is a norm. What are the "authority figures" doing about it? Changing laws, turning to a religion that tells you your natural sexual urges are evil, refuses to accept that it emphasizes cultural values more with religious exception, and turns a blind eye on it, minus of course the occasional sex scandal for publicity and granduer. Doesn't help either that passively this gets people to think that "sex is naughty and a crime, and it's so wrong but so right", putting it into gutters for low lifes to exploit and give it a bad reputation. People here are so sexually confused and misguided they put on a facade for confidence.
As for that game with the animu girlies and petting oh no that's bad but we'll put up Game of Thrones with sex scenes and fucking all the way with a cable access fee!
Another thing is that those petting games and the sexuality indirectly says something about the world in game. I'm not huge into Fire Emblem; I suck ass at tactical RPGs, I'm impatient as fuck, I love the stories and the art style, I don't have waifus in FE but when it comes to those petting minigames, I might be in the minority here, I'm not the one petting her. She's getting attention from the character who is caressing her. If it gets your kicks on, great. But to me? That's just how love is expressed in the world of FE. Sure, it may not be a big loss to me, but it shouldn't be my choice whether people get to have it or not. Ironic too, since everyone here blabs about freedom and equality when censorship and hypocritical fuckery are commonplace since Rosseau and Voltaire's efforts halted since way back when.
The one time I've not minded censorship was Hitler in Persona 2. Well, I did actually, but the censorship made things even more hilarious. Still kinda wish they hadn't done it because I've always staunchly opposed censorship. At least I can get a laugh out of it though.
>>340889679
That's a good point, actually.
>have NoA localize The Witcher
>all references and instances of sex and nudity gone
>instead of playing Gwent for money you play for fun! yay achievements!
Now there is less motivation to play the game.
>have NoA localize Dark Souls
>Invaded by Margaret Mildred (fully dressed)
>spider sisters are now just spiders
>Gwynevere's comfy cozy cleavage covered
>hell cover her all in a burka
>her hips are still too curvy, reduce them!
Now the lore has been fucked more and what should have been a glorious reward for winning a tough battle is now a bag of coal.
Censorship.
>>340890370
We probably find that one funny because it seems like it was a joke to them too to do that.
>>340883056
Ok let me explain it like this
You are a famous painter, and you have a few paintings in museums then suddenly a fat tumblr girl rages at your painting and the meseum decide to change the painting making your original work worthless.
>>340890206
But it's not someone else. It's the same company that owns the game making these decisions.
>>340889915
At least this one doesn't look completely retarded.
>>340890509
Probably. It seems like old internet humor.
>>340890501
Anon, those are hard M games. There's more to lose from censoring them than making clothing less skimpy.
>>340890516
why is everyone on this board so fucking terrible at analogies
>>340886142
men enjoying anime tiddies bothers you because...?
>>340890516
Except the museum and the painter are the same people in this case.
>>340887659
Angry Birds : censored edition ?
>Without buzzwords and non-arguments, explain why censoring visuals effects a game at all?
Are you retarded? You want me to explain to you why changing parts of a game would change the game?
>>340890917
As far as visuals go, yes.
>>340890817
They didn't say anything about it bothering them
>>340887942
I'm all pro-freedom-of-speech, but am I the only one who thinks the bodysuit wedding dress is actually lewder?
>>340891124
>pro-freedom-of-speech
Something tells me you actually aren't
>>340890872
>Except the museum owner and the painter are are not the same people in this case.
>>340891124
>less skin
>more lewd
Detected the mudslime.
>>340886208
Still waiting.
>>340888027
No, I meant more like doxxing and ruining their lives. When I go edge I enjoy cutting shit like if it was butter.
Moreover, you sound more like a cocksucker that cares way too much about what others think. As if they listen themselves. Fuck em.
>>340891519
Because Nintendo wants to
>>340891396
Anon, NoA and FE# are both owned by Nintendo.
>>340891493
trump was right ban all muslims
>>340890567
Someone else besides me, that's what I'm getting at, be it done by themselves to avoid scandals (in this case the censorship has caused the scandal) or censorship organizations in each country/region (Nazi Germany symbolism is forbidden in Germany, you can't even depict Hitler).
>>340891036
This smells like bait, but fuck it.
You can't separate the individual parts of a multimedia piece and expect the rest to have the same effect.
The visual aspect of a game affects the user feedback, the overall mood of the experience and even facilitated the conveyance of mechanical elements.
If a game is supposed to look, say, scary of repulsive and if fails to achieve that, the overall experience from the gameplay is compromised.
For the sake of example, I remember the devs of Luftrausers explaining how people kept complaining about how one of the guns was underpowered, and then they just changed the sound the weapon made and poeple stoped complaining and though the weapon was great and fun to use.
They just changed the sound it made. Think about that.
>>340891850
That was a reasonable answer, thank you.
>>340883056
I know this might be a fallacy, but I believe one censor can lead to others. Eventually, it can get to a point where you might actually think it's too much.
So why let it get to the point where you're finally not OK with it? Why not NOT censor it at all and allow developers to create games as they had intended it to be?
>>340891519
Your logic is tight, but your mistake is assuming nintendo is marketing this to teens and older.
Most likely they're trying to "appeal to a wider audience".
It's a sad thing, really.
>/v/ will never like nintendo again
Can't say I don't understand why, this company is just fucking dogshit now
>>340890752
Fine.
>NoA localizes Neko Atsume
>removes buttholes from cats
>removes toys and special cats that may seem politically incorrect
I haven't been playing video games.
>>340891850
>You can't separate the individual parts of a multimedia piece and expect the rest to have the same effect.
You can, that's why dubbing is possible.
>The visual aspect of a game affects the user feedback, the overall mood of the experience and even facilitated the conveyance of mechanical elements.
And developers, publishers, and marketers are free to change that. That's why different box arts may exist, for example.
>>340890134
This.
>>340892145
Far better comparison.
>>340889281
No, he's saying it has no bearing on the main narrative arc, and is therefore fluff.
>>340892003
because 'it's just tits lol virgin' precedent has been set to allow 'localization' as justification for anything
>>340892145
wow, if that's all they're doing, why are people getting mad
>>340883056
Anon, you are underestimating the mind of the virgin weeb. They are so hard up you wouldn't believe.
These cringe crusaders want to launch a holy war on censorship, but ONLY over animu tits. Another game which is coming out soon is having blood censored, and /v/ shrugged it's collective shoulders. But the second some cleavage disappears you can be sure these fucking losers will be losing their fucking minds over it. Because they have nothing else. They don't like any games other than their fapbait pandering garbage and they certainly don't have girlfriends to take their minds off their 2D fantasies. It's all they have, so they kick and scream and have absolutely no self-awareness for how pathetic and embarrassing they look. Companies continue to ignore them because they don't lose face with any rational, average person, they just lose the "loyalty" of screeching autistic shutins who will announce a boycott at the drop of a hat, or planned to pirate your games from the beginning. Money is not lost by ignoring these sad sacks of shit.
>Raise her age up to 18
>Censored the FUCKING hell out of everything still
>It looks like fucking 4kids did it
Only Nintendo fanboys will defend this.
>>340883056
It ruins any sort of immersion to see something that wouldnt be there in the game world. I know people are going to mock this with
>muh immersion
But thats exactly the purpose of vidya, to lose yourself in an alternate reality.
What i don't understand is why bother censoring when the average music video show more skin
>>340892452
BECAUSE I WANT MY FAP FODDER!
Also, it's a slippery slope that could lead to heavier censoring that genuinely alters how the game feels.
>>340892234
>And developers, publishers, and marketers are free to change that.
I don't see anyone arguing that this is illegal. We're more than in our own rights to criticize their decisions.
>>340892059
I'd like to work on localizing games at some point if I can (at least try it out to see if it's worth it, it'll be a hell of a lot more work than translating manga), but I never want to work for Nintendo. Not even sure what the best localizations studios are anymore really. I'd heard from a pro translator that 8-4 is some of the best of the best, and all the Tales games I've played that they localized were pretty good, but apparently they shit all over other games.
>>340883056
It's being censored because people who ultimately won't play the games anyway are made uncomfortable by it.
Censorship belongs in Saudi Arabia and North Korea
Give me the game 100% uncensored or don't give it at all
>>340892879
Compelling counterargument.
Everyone observe the autist sperg and his complete failure to form a sentence in the face of the crushing truthbomb.
>>340892886
>all the Tales games I've played that they localized were pretty good
Well Zestiria is fucked so
>>340892475
What game is that which is having blood censored out of it?
>>340892879
>p-pls respond!
>>340893165
I was agreeing with you silly.
I wanted people to see your post.
>>340892234
I don't know what you're disagreeing on here.
>You can, that's why dubbing is possible.
Exactly. And that's why I'd argue that a different dub may have an impact on the overall effect of a game or show, specially considering VA is not just about reading words but also aboaut acting and conveying emotion regardless of the words being said.
Do you disagree on this? Don't you think a different dub can make a piece better, worse, or just have a different mood than the original?
>And developers, publishers, and marketers are free to change that. That's why different box arts may exist, for example.
Of course they can. Here's hoping they do it in a way that improves the piece instead of ruining it.
>>340893193
Yeah I've heard, but I've only played that one in Nip. The ones before it seemed fine, but I've yet to play the older ones in Japanese, so maybe there's some localization changes I don't yet know about.
>>340883056
It's a story based game
The censorship has affected the story
It's also affected the gameplay by what outfits you have available
They probably would have taken out attacks that have the censored outfits if it was cheap enough to do
>>340893165
I thought anons that did this were in complete agreement.
Daily reminder that waifushit is a cancer that has ruined more game series than feminists ever have, and should be resisted. Autistic beta waifufags will kick and scream and defend ALL waifushit no matter how bad things get, no matter how terrible the games. If it gets their dick hard: it's great. It doesn't matter to them how fucking awful the game is. They're exactly like furries who will hand over $100 for some piece of shit drawing just because it tickles their fantasies.
Remember, the future these NEETS want is a world full of Senran Kaguras. Dogshit games that get their dicks hard. These people need to go back to their hentai games and leave mainstream vidya alone.
People only interested in a videogame for a waifu, and willing to drop it because of a threat to the waifu content? Why the fuck should these people be catered to when they don't give a shit about the actual GAME? How is this any different to some idiot SJW who will only consider buying a game if it features a gay romance, and will then abandon it the moment it doesn't fall completely in line with what they needed to get their approval? Both waifufags and feminists don't give a shit about anything beyond being pandered to and they both need to fuck off.
For one, there are occasions where the core appeal of a game to a plurality or even an outright majority of its intended audience might have been the women, and where the enjoyment might be damaged by changing those visual elements. For another, while all art is changed in the process of creating it and anyone who suggests otherwise is clearly incorrect, there is still fidelity of vision to consider. Some artist did work hard on making this, this is the closest they could get to their vision, and while criticism is always OK, making such changes because you want to please ideologues is disrespectful to that artist.
As for the experience of the person who's interested in the story or gameplay of the games, and not waifus or art... Let's imagine something. Let's say the music in Star Wars was changed. "Modern kids don't like classical!" yells a Disney executive when presented with the idea of a Blu-Ray release of the original trilogy. "Replace all that orchestral crap with dubstep!" Imagine how much different Star Wars: Dubstep Edition would be.
Imagine how much of a joke it would be if, instead of that scene of Luke under Tatooine's two suns being scored by the work of John Williams, you instead got an earful of Skrillex. How much damage could you do to Darth Vader if you replaced the Imperial March with dubstep? It would be down there with certain lines about sand in Attack of the Clones in terms of making Darth Vader suck, except at least prequels Anakin wasn't Vader yet.
In this admittedly unrealistic example, Star Wars is still mostly Star Wars. Luke is still Luke, Vader is still Vader. The story is untouched. But the movie would be demonstrably worse for losing a tertiary element. It's still Star Wars, but it doesn't feel like the same movie. And it's the same with games that have significant content removed or changed. Cutting sexuality makes a different experience. A hollower, emptier experience in most cases.
>>340893114
>Give me the game 100% uncensored or don't give it at all
Baby logic.
Yo-Kai Watch anime is being brought to the West. In one scene, the little shota wears an octopus as underwear and says the suckers "feel good"
This will obviously not make it into the western release as it's a little bit too weird and sexual for western audiences to deal with, especially since it's a little boy, and it's a cartoon for very small children.
Do you SERIOUSLY think the entire series should not be brought to the west because of this scene being censored? I bet you won't answer or you'll give me some mealy-mouthed shit.
>>340893363
>Don't you think a different dub can make a piece better, worse, or just have a different mood than the original?
It can
>Here's hoping they do it in a way that improves the piece instead of ruining it.
I don't think anyone in localization actively does that, especially Nintendo.
>>340893273
The fact that you don't know just proves it's true that /v/ doesn't give a shit unless it's waifus.
>>340891493
But it gets boring seeing nude girl #63564 get fucked. I like clothed sex and I like sexy clothes that frame a girl.
Take >>340887942, the scraps of sleeves were making her chest window look broader, and it's not like you could see much through the window anyway.
Now take the censored one: the window has been closed and no longer detracts from the roundness of her boobs, and having more sleeve makes her look better put-together. Also the wholesome-but-vuloptuous look kinda fits her character, especially considering she's wearing wings.
I dunno, could be my recent binge on Christmas cakes affecting my judgement.
>>340893827
I wasn't in for being a fucking justification for you to fuck your game console/PC in self satisfaction you fucking faggot
What game is it?
>>340893165
While i agree with you waifushit usually don't stop at the design and infect the whole game so censoring a pair of tits won't make me buy it
>>340893827
I only hear about cencorship through the grapevine, so you're probably right, but I really am curious as to what game you're talking about.
>>340883056
What I don't understand is why even go through the trouble of censoring shit, and not have an option where you can go for the uncensored version? Why do you have to step on the people who are actually interested in your game's toes just to cater to some faggots who might see your game in a store and think "let's give this a try"?
The whole thing is so stupid and it's the reason we'll never get nice things. Also on a slight unrelated note forcing dubs on japanese games down our throats is literally cancer
>>340893679
Who the fuck gave you permission to quote me, you pro-censorship bootlicking subhuman?
>>340894015
Why not ask any of the dozens of people in the thread who are 100% anti censorship? They MUST have heard about it and they MUST be furious about it, surely.God Eater 2
Y'all niggaz need to learn Nip.
>>340892475
Nice pasta.
>Companies continue to ignore them because they don't lose face with any rational, average person,
This part isn't true at all. Nintendo is the only company that outright ignores it. Atlus has been bending over backwards to make sure that everyone knows Nintendo made the call, and not them. IF stopped localizing some of their shit and started putting english subs into the asian copies, and NISA basically sobbed and pointed the finger at the ESRB with Criminal Girls 2.
And they always brag when they bring over a game untouched.
>>340893273
God Eater Resurrection is having the blood slightly reduced. Not removed, slightly reduced.
Looks like OP never played Euro-Contra and doesn't see why replacing graphics just because is silly.Those robots do look kind of cool, though
>>340893647
You seem triggered
Its not about being pandered too its about censorship. Why do they need to censor that which is natural? Natural things shouldn't be censored in fucking 2016.
>>340894084
Your reply was even more worthless than I expected
>>340893730
>I don't think anyone in localization actively does that, especially Nintendo.
It's extremely uncomon, but not technically not impossible.
That has a lot to do with the fact that most of us here enjoy the japanese way of doing things when it comes to things like sexualization, voice acting and so on. So when they change those things, more often than not we'll think it subtracts value from the product.
>>340894325
Anon, those companies are already fairly obscure in the US and have fanbases locked in with the waifu crowd. Nintendo has no such limitations.
>>340894278
>God Eater 2
No, it's Resurrection you goddamn retard. Why don't you learn what the fuck you're talking about before you start waving your dick around.
>>340894283
This
It's time, /v/
You don't need to be proficient enough to write, just enough to understand it
Immerse yourself in the nipponic language and their media, don't let the only time of the day you're staring at moon is when you're staring at charts, and you'll learn a lot faster and better through context
>>340894583
That honestly looks like an improvement.
>>340894587
>using le current year unironically as an argument
>>340894587
Ain't nothing natural about a girl with that kinda body son.
>340894624
Likewise, you're not even worth an (You)
>cries about censorship
>still touches video games, books, movies, television, or anything that can be listed as entertainment
>lives in a society with laws and "standards"
>post on a cantonese tracing table
>>340894325
Thank you
>>340894278
I hope you get fucked in the ass with a kitchen knife before dying slowly of blood loss. Or at least put into a wheelchair where you can't control your bowel movements.
I also hope your dick gets caught in the cooling fan and stretched out into a knot of skin.
Go fuck your own ego somewhere else you cocksucking crowd pleasing dipshit.
>>340892886
>I'd heard from a pro translator that 8-4 is some of the best of the best
>>340887942
i just want some anon to cover up the face in fabric too and make it complete.
>>340883056
The theme is important as the rest of the game, it would be like watching a zombie movie without the Blood and guts and say "well the plot is the same so why care? :^)"
Now here's your (you), (you) dumb fuck
>>340893679
Can't you read?
>Give me the game 100% uncensored or don't give it at all
>>340894662
It's still wrong, fuckwit. Every company relevant to the waifu crowd with the singular exception of Nintendo pays attention to them, and appeases them whenever possible.
And Nintendo ignores everybody, so that's not even a helpful example for you.
>>340895556
Should have kept reading.
>>340895679
Okay, so your answer is that the entire cartoon series shouln't come to the west. What is essentially the next Pokemon just shouldn't happen. You'd be a hell of a businessman.
>>340895373
I told you the game. Your mad literally arouses me. Stay triggered you autist.
>>340896021
I'm not a businessman I'm a consumer. Give me the game 100% uncensored or don't give it at all
>>340896021
Okay, so your answer is that the entire cartoon series shouldn't come to the west unless we censor it for no concrete reason. What is essentially the next Pokemon just shouldn't happen. You'd be a hell of a businessman.
>>340886594
This one always confused the shit out of me.
Isn't removing a Native American outfit and replacing it with a cowboy basically just being double racist
>>340893679
They should keep it in the series and have the watchers decide if it's too weird or not after they've seen it
>>340896419
>unless we censor it for no concrete reason
I told you exactly what would be cut. A naked little boy putting an octopus on his dick and saying the suckers feel good.
That will be cut from western release.
You think the entire cartoon series should never leave Japan because it's worthless without this one scene.
And yeah, I would make a hell of a businessman. Because I'd still bring Pokemon to the west if it meant cutting out a scene where James has big tits and plays with them. And I'd be a multi-billionaire right now.
>>340890651
I think you're eyes are broken.
>>340894583
That looks way cooler
>>340893679
>especially since it's a little boy
>he didn't jerk off when he was a kid
It amuses me how prudish generic western people are.
>>340889502
Lolita nigga. It's about a man obsessed with a 12 year old girl.
That book is the inspiration for the term Lolita complex, aka lolicon.
>>340897049
If we're making pragmatic financial decisions here, it is in the company's best interest to censor, just as it is in the consumer's best interest to pirate and make use of uncensor patches.
>>340895556
>making out interns perform live re-enactments of scenes from chaos wars
Shit as those translations are, that's a practice I can get behind.
>JUMP!
>>340898058
Lots of people still view Lolita as just smut though.
>>340894080
Why would they pay a team to localise it and then add an opinion to "delocalise" it? The localization team gotta justifies its salary man
>>340887942
It's like they hired an old minister's wife from the early 1900s to censor this shit.
>>340898391
To please the people who actually don't want their game gimped? You know, like any company should strive to do? Please their customer?
>>340889502
Here's some examples of nudity
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls070776357/
>>340887942
>no hands on the clock
Triggered.
>>340888749
>>340888749
>>340888749
This 1000 times.
>>340898364
Those are the same 40 year old moms who consider 50 Shades of Grey a masterpiece so they don't matter
>>340897049
It's all about context. Cutting stuff in a kid show to keep it kid friendly for a north american context is different then cutting stuff in a game meant for Teenagers.
Nothing that Nintendo has cut in Tokyo Mirage sessions makes any sense. It's still rated T for Teen and it would have been still rating T for Teen even if they had left everything untouched.
>>340898391
Localization ≠Censorship
Nigger = You
>>340898649
This whole mess proved that they don't understand/give a fuck about that
>>340897513
>>340894836
How would you feel if you were Japanese and tried your hardest to appeal to westerners by making the main characters of your game white, then the westerners make them robots (which sort of messes up the narrative) anyway?
>>340899301
It's Contra no one cares about the story it's all about the gameplay
>>340883056
Allow me to ask a question.
Why do they censor if the original creators could have made something that wouldn't be censored?
>>340886278
For the last one, those idiots also forget if I wanted to look at porn or jack off, I'd do so without the game.
>>340898058
>mfw I discovered there was a copy of Lolita in my high school library
>>340899264
Well that's a given. You know this industry is absolute dogshit when the companies can't even follow business 101 practices.
>>340892452
Honestly? At this point I'm upset we've gone backwards and started censoring shit again, and everyone's doing it willy nilly even though There's no logical or scientific basis set for what should and should not be censored.
There is no precedent of media censorship focused on a definable feature. They always start to get lazy, push everything into the "censor" box and get it over with. Either way things will go out of hand until somebody steps up to slap some sense into them, but by then there would already be many products victims of censorship that may never be restored.
>Australia bans pornography roleplaying inappropriate scenarios... to fight pedophilia?
>Japan's pornography has to have censored genitals... to keep decency?
>South Korea bans all pornography. (Maybe this will be the key to un-fucking up humanity)
>>340883056
As i see it you should experience the original, i understand different cultures view things differently but that's kinda the point too
You can learn a lot from that and it's interesting
I would still play FE Fates and Fatal Frame 5, I mean it's still disappointing some content was removed or replaced but I don't find it enough to where I would turn away from itmaybe if I can get it dirt cheap, but also they are games I would like to play. Xenoblade Chronicles X, and the Bravely series have however made it on my shit list, but TMS takes the fucking cake. I don't understand what they're trying to do with the game, who is the audience? They going with no dub to please JRPG fans, but butcher everything else to cater to normalfags who are probably not going to even know of this game's existence. On top of that since the game was announced SMT and FE fans were pretty excited to see what this game will become, then it became idol shit and some of those fans already lost interest. Censorship to me is completely unnecessary, you have a much better chance at seeing skimpy things on TV, at the beach, on a billboard, at Walmart, than you would have if you decide to buy a Japanese video game.
>>340884282
only one who gets it
Altering or censoring content leads to degraded content, your now getting an interpretation of an interpretation on top of a translation that will never 100% translate cleanly. When people get free reign of someone else's work you start to get shit like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEXurYaIHao
>>340894583
That's totally Appleseed
>>340883056
Because games include visuals, not just words and music. They're called "graphics."
>>340899301
I'm not sure they were explicitly trying to appeal to Westerners, they fucking loved making nods to cheesy American action movies. As for the censorship, yeah, it's stupid, but do you have the reason why they censored it? Just because it's violent? Trying to avoid the videogame violence shitfit that was going on back in those days?
Certain censorship decisions are pragmatic. Like everyone being robots in the German version of Command and Conquer Generals. Others are just gratuitous.
>>340894821
I'd do this but learning kanji sounds like a nightmare and you'd need it to read your vidya.
Story
Character interactions
Aesthetic quality (especially that shit-tier design on the censored dress)
Etc.
>>340900652
They know the game will bomb, that's why they did whatever they wanted with it
>>340898649
>>340899264
>>340899745
I just don't understand the video game industry at all anymore. They go out of their way to appeal to people who aren't their customers and aren't interested in being their customers. You see that in some other industries like the American comic book industry (well, mostly just from Marvel and DC, smaller publishers seem to stick with their target audience), but it's certainly not the way the majority of companies work. That's just one small facet I don't understand too, there's a lot more, like the fact that they get away with things no other company would. Imagine if someone decided to watch a movie they downloaded and the music from one scene were changed because the license ran out, or that they couldn't access their digital movies for whatever reason. I just don't get it.
>>340901570
Kanji isn't as hard as you think, it just takes diligence and about half an hour a day
>>340901946
Ah, yeah that too. It seems like when the next Nintendo niche title comes around they won't even bother to localize it.
>>340902048IS PRESIDENT BUSH THERE
>>340883056
The game looks shit anyway, it's just the question of why do said thing?
I mean, some of the changes seem outright absurd. You wonder how retarded are they to remove pelvises, black smoke, remove DLC and cover armpits.
Plus you would usually have the game in its purest state when localised. If it's a game/series I really like, I can overlook cosmetic changes, but removal of content is what puts me off.
>>340902534
There are more people who don't play videogames than people who do, so if you can appeal to them you can sell a lot more than you could if you catered to your audience. Worked for the Wii. The same is true of comics etc.
Of course, the problem is that people who don't play videogames aren't inclined to buy them, so the logic breaks down quickly.
>>340899808
>Japan's pornography has to have censored genitals... to keep decency?
This is something I'll never understand as long as I live. Japan has the weirdest, most depraved porn in existence, yet censoring genitals makes it okay. Pure vanilla porn would be unacceptable if not for a black/white bar, or a mosaic, or whiteout. It's worse than that too, something a lot of people who don't read Japanese porn in Japanese don't know is that words like "cock" and "Pussy" (even "penis") are often censored in porn too, and other words. Not always, but they are the overwhelming majority of the time. I even saw "impotent" censored recently. It makes absolutely no fucking sense at all.
>>340901108
>Prison School
>gamergate
What the fuck? Is this official dub?
>>340903974
>we want the "don't play video games" audience
Gee why is nintendo dead
>>340903974
>There are more people who don't play videogames than people who do, so if you can appeal to them you can sell a lot more than you could if you catered to your audience. Worked for the Wii. The same is true of comics etc.
Yeah, I can understand the logic. Anyone would have that idea, but you'd think people would learn from history and see that it doesn't really work.
>Implying people learning from history
Yeah, yeah, I know.
>>340904006
The censorship laws were in place with the end of WWII as the US drafted new laws onto Japan, and they were never removed because nobody wants to be known as the guy who uncensored the porn.
>>340904006
The censorship laws were put in place by American puritans after WW2.
They are especially ridiculous now that everyone has internet and can access uncensored porn. Everyone knows the law is ridiculous and obsolete but no politician wants to be the- >>340904376
Fuck, too slow
>>340904119
Yep. And I'm sure I don't need to tell you that line has 0% to do with what she originally said.
>>340890061
Luke McFucking all of them except for the Grandias. How deluded are you? Do you not see how literally every jrpg's combat system is the same?
>>340904376
Yeah I've heard that was the case, but I'm not sure if it's actually true or not, I've never really looked into it. Much as I translate porn, I should. And I understand that no one wants to stand up for porn too, but it makes me sick when there are people in the fucking porn industry who defend it. ShindoL once devoted several pages to it that basically said "Hey, that's how people are here, so it should stay that way!"
>>340892373
Fluff is still intrinsic to the narrative
>>340904376
This man would be my personal fucking hero, are you kidding?
>>340904945
Yeah, but normies think publicly having *anything* to do with porn is terrible. Japan is more lax on it but they aren't free from the shit either.
>>340903397
I can't read.
>>340888213
Don't you just love sex-negative prudes?
>>340904119
The original line was her telling him they weren't on a equal level because she was a second year or some shit. Got to love funimation.
>>340904376
How does one go about uncensoring Japan?
>>340905883
A Japanese Donald Trump becomes prime minister and makes hentai great again.
>>340904006
The weird censoring would be legit censoring if the words were spoken outside a doujin. Within the doujin itself, it's up to the artist's flair; "Shall I keep the mood timid now (censor) or shall I declare aggressive sexy times (BENIS)?"
>>340905883
move there
marry a native
grow old
join a party
get elected
suggest the law be abolished
hope a sufficient amount of congressmen agree
>>340883378
When we're getting to the point of censoring wedding dresses because they trigger fat hambeasts who are never getting married you know something is wrong.
It's like people have never been to the beach to see half naked women or been to a wedding where skin is obviously shown.
>>340907215
Eh, there are plenty of artists who draw wild sex, rough, rape, torture, and all sorts of scenarios that are anything but light and timid but they still censors words, so that argument really doesn't hold up at all.
>>340898849
I wonder if there's a clock where the number lights up instead of having the hands.
>>340907606
>implying the congressmen aren't the biggest traditionalists known to man
>>340898391
If they did this they could officially collect info on the radio of players playing censored vs uncensored, results of which will reveal them to be a giant waste of resources and get them btfo.
>>340888317
>It only changed some of the supports,
Most supports end in fucking friendzone dialogue now
>>340907606
>Thinking the Japanese would ever let a foreigner's opinion have any weight in Japan
Your only hope would be to have a kid with a native, shape him into an anti-censorship nut, and hope he has a kid with a Japanese girl and does the same, and your great or great great grandchild will help bring an end to it.
>>340899301
>narrative
Huh?
>>340908805
Nintendo isn't doing it because of what the players want, of course the players will pick uncensored every fucking time. They're worried about parents calling in and complaining about shit and tarnishing their "family friendly" image.
>>340902895
Are you from the/djt/?
>>340910596
I used to go there when I started but now I visit once like half a year
>>340910583
>tarnishing their "family friendly" image.
That was already tarnished in the N64 era.
>>340883056
It can be done to achieve lower rating (ie,: game that was originally 18+ can become 16+ after censorship).
It can be done to increase sales (ie.: after researching focus groups, the results suggest that censoring X will make Y% of original fans of the series skip the game, but it will also possibly bring Z new customers that would be otherwise not interested in a game featuring X).
It can be done to remove content that is okay in one region but taboo in another.
>>340907606
How about... you knock on their door with a Hiroshima and tell them politely to reform?
>>340912136
>knocking on a door with a city
>>340902895
This. You'll actually come to prefer kanji in your vidya. Kanji isn't what will be giving you the most trouble.
>>340907952
Again, artist's own choice. I guess if the artist is under some production company he'd have to work by their guidelines too.
And I forgot to mention, in the case of impotent being censored, that may have been for comedic effect.
>>340910583
Well fucking give the uncensored option a code that you need to access via proving your age or something. Hell I don't work for ninty, they should be the ones thinking of an optimal solution instead of having us brainstorm for them.
>>340913698
> I guess if the artist is under some production company he'd have to work by their guidelines too.
I've thought of that too, but it's usually even done in doujins as well. I guess censorship is so ingrained into the Japanese that most don't feel right not censoring things. Some artists even get nervous when their work is released uncensored in other countries (though some love it).
>>340911108
I need to go through the pastebin and get into kanji.But first I'll need to motivate myself.
For which I need to get out of this long depression.
For which I need to get back in touch with a psychologist.
For which I need to sort some paperwork or with my GP.
Even then I still need to pick the pieces of my life up before I can be leisurely.
>>340912452I mint a nuke
>>340916127
arnt you funny and edgy
>>340913272
What? What'll give me the most trouble? I already know hira/kata, I'm pretty set with grammar, accents, intonation and dialects. All that's left is more vocab and kanji.
>>340914695
>most don't feel right not censoring things
This, is pretty much the other side of the coin of my "flair" explanation.
>>340916576
Speaking to you had filled me with joy. I'm being ballooned up with joy here. All the joy. The edges... they're flat now. Surface of my joy balloon.
>>340883056
Let's pretend Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 got released in the West but they censored it and added normal clothes instead of revealing bikinis... well the game play is still the same, but a game is more than gameplay, and that game is anything but gameplay. That game everyone wants to play DOA X3 for anything but the gameplay.. so they removed what was important
>>340916693
>What? What'll give me the most trouble?
No idea, I'm not you. Weird grammar, set phrases, and dialects give me far more trouble than kanji.
>>340892036
>Most likely they're trying to "appeal to a wider audience".
I'm inclined to agree with you, especially after seeing something like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psJD48GsHqE
>>340883056
I don't feel like getting the shorter end of the stick compared to the japs
>>340915719
Oh my, anon! You sure seem to be going through a lot ofEXCUSESin your life.
I hope they go away for your own sake.
>>340915719
Some word of advice, start with something that you want to end up doing once you know Japanese.
I imported Tales of the Abyss from Japan back when it released without even knowing a single Hiragana. Wanting to understand something makes a huge difference, I started to learn Hiragana and Katakana really fast because I needed them to navigate around the world and read where I need to go next or for equipping skills. Same goes for wanting to understand the story. I'd dissect everything as soon as there were voiced clips and I started to pick up so much.
I continued on with watching lots of raw J-drama and just using a dicitonary to learn vocab from hearing.
Only after that did I start to drill Kanji. It might not be the most effective way to learn Japanese, but you should definately always consume native material whenever you can as soon as you can.
>>340884487
all idol games need to be incinerated and all idolshit fans need to be gassed
>>340888582
What's supposed to be going on in this scene?
>>340918009
See >>340890752
>>340918248
That's the kind of stuff you can get used to by reading maybe. I'm no teacher, I wouldn't know.
Hands-on is always best of course, I can only do it because I was blessed/cursed to live in Tokyo until I was 7.
>>340918767
I hope so too anon.Or do I?
>>340919143
Good advice, is the only reason my Japanese hasn't deteriorated but instead improved over the decades.
>>340920038
Sleeping woman on couch obscured behind guy. Implied molestation? Censor!
>>340888582
Is this game really the same game as >>340887942 ?
You can see her thong but somehow not showing a bare chest and arms is not ok?
>>340921261
Kids show their thongs off all the time nowadays, in fact, hard not to with the clothes they wear.
>>340883056
>E3 is here
>The only thing nintenchildren can do is shitpost about waifushit
lmao kill yourselves
>>340920113
>Or do I?
Blog warning!
It's funny that sou said that, because I'm in a moment in life where I'm starting to realize I don't have quite as much time as I used to think I had.
I'm starting to let go of some mild aspirations in favor of major ones, and even for those I fear I might not be able to fully realize them as life starts to take more and more of your time. It's specialy painful to let go once you're already put stuff in your backlog.
Learning moon is one of the things I can't afford right now when I have much more ambitious dreams threatened by real life responsability.
Makes me regret not embracing some passions when I was younger...
>>340888582
w-what
why did they remove her
>>340921261
It's her default outfit, they wouldn't censor something like that, they'd need to have toi8 redraw her character art and the boxart and it would be too easy to notice.
They only censor obscure, carefully calculated stuff
>>340921874
because of her cleavage
>>340921874
implied drugging and rape?
>>340887942
all she needs is a hijab and we're all set.
>>340922340
They want to avoid another incident like that one shitty game on steam that had that sleeping girl with a bunch of dudes standing around and everyone made a fit about it.
#FE is a masterclass on getting absolutely no-one to buy your game. Normies won't buy it, the diehard fans of the franchises hate it, even the fanservice people are pissed off at it. Who could possibly love this abortion? Only the most oblivious and obnoxious surface level weeb-lite will purchase this thing. It's a complete insult.
>>340894325
>Atlus has been bending over backwards to make sure that everyone knows Nintendo made the call, and not them.
Wasn't the only thing they said on the situation that they modify the game to comply with regional policies? What other things have they said since?
>>340921828
You sound like you have yourself worked out well. Good on you.
I'm in more of a frozen situation; can't make any moves, can't absorb any advice to unfreeze myself. But I'm always looking for an out. Passively.
>>340892512
Who's this cutie?
>>340884487
Fuck I want that hoodie
Why doesn't anyone wrote up a letter in Japanese and ask Nintendo Japan what their stance is on NoA, as well as give the opinion of the pro-freedoms?
>developer makes game
>localization takes game and makes a bunch of changes and cuts content
>sells game to people that have been following the initial version made by developers
What's so hard to understand about being pissed off with shit like this?
>>340922772
I was actually going to get it too, but seeing as it literally has no redeeming qualities left I'll just have to can the idea like so many other games getting "localized" this year.
What the fuck is wrong with these people?
>>340887319
The analogy does work, you're just too dumb to grasp it.
>>340894587
>replying to pasta
>>340883056
then why change it? who is nintendo to say what is or is not appropriate?
>>340887659
>>340883378
>>340883056
>>340883958
>>340885670
>>340892475
>>340892879
>>340893165
If the visuals don't affect the game at all then there's no reason to censor them in the first place
>censorship doesn't affect the games
>but it somehow potentially helps increase sales of games
[citation fucking needed]
>>340923121
Nah, I'm also slow as fuck. But I'm realizing that if I keep getting sidetracked with less important shit my task will jump from hard to impossible in the blink of an eye.
It doesn't help in the slightest when you keep discovering shit that sparks your interests, so avoiding entirely what you know you don't love as much is a necessity.
>>340923472
Here you go anon.
http://www.customink.com/designs/benis/cbf0-00am-8vr9/hotlink?pc=HL-142344&utm_campaign=hotlink_201601&utm_source=hotlink&utm_medium=email&utm_content=viewbutton&cm_mmc=hotlink-_-5-_-Body_txt-_-viewbutton
>>340924624
Stay focused.
>>340926373
follow your dreams
>>340924420
Didn't FE Fates sold well thanks to censorship shitposting?
>>340923472
you're a moe grill right?
>>340926595
>FE Fates sold well thanks to censorship shitposting
Do people actually believe this?
By that same logic FE Fates sold well because of exploding 3DS piracy.
>Kids are not allowed sexy time in the Nazi states of 'Murica.
You shouldn't be altering a dev's design and work for any reason, that's not how they intended for the game to be, so don't change it.
Games that get brought over and get censored are usually games that people already saw jap gameplay or were looking forward too, they are the target fanbase and were already good with what the jap version was, so why change the content when the target fanbase already likes the shit?
>>340883056
This is a game about anime tiddies.
If it doesnt have anime tiddies why play
>>340883056
>explain why censoring visuals effects a game at all?
I had to reread this multiple times to figure out what you were saying. Then I realized you're just retarded.
>effects
It's "affects", you mongoloid. It was especially difficult to understand because "visual effects" is actually a thing.
>>340927218
Because they enjoy seeing what other people like ruined and having it taken away from them.
That's really it. Most people who defend censorship aren't fans of these games and the few that are are the surface level weeb-lites anon was referring to earlier >>340922772
It's not some conicidence there's overlap between people who defend NoA localizations and those who cry over Steven Universe censorship
>>340927939
this, it's ground lying fruit to shitpost weebs; even easier than usual
I don't care about censor stuff because most of the time weebshiters on here complain about a bra beaing sealed or some other shit.
I don't think you get to complain unless you life in germany where games are not buyable because they are deemed to brutal while games like doom and similar stuff is perfectly fine.
>there are people who will unironically defend the censure of a game that isn't meant for children
>People will defend this
>>340883056
>effects
Opinion discarded
>>340922772
>fire emblem and SMT franchises
>die hard fans
Where?
You fags let both series die.
>>340885816
>hyperbole
That analogy is perfectly fitting after Fire Emblem Fates.
>>340930473
>blaming anti censorship posters for letting FE and SMT die
You're a fucking moron.
>>340929935
I don't give a shit either way, I still play videogames to actually play videogames.
That being said, left is cuter, it looks like she's wearing something skin-tight under the dress and I like that.
>>340929608
>I don't think you get to complain unless you life in germany where games are not buyable
I would say this is fallacy of relative privation, but it's not even that since buying out of region games for the same or near same price locally in your language is trivial. Anyone who lives in Germany can easily buy uncensored versions from France or any other non censored country in Europe and not have to worry about region lock.
Meanwhile a game censored for the entire west requires you to import the Japanese version and an entire set of new hardware just to play it. And that's not even taking into account learning Japanese in order to play these games. It's not even close to comparable and you're retarded for handwaving anyone who cares about it as weebshiters especially when the audience for these fanservice games are fucking weebshitters.
>>340883056
No point in censoring something for people that the game wasn't even intended for. If they honestly don't like it, don't play or support the game. Censorship is never an answer.
>>340930785
No you shitpost and defend cesnorship to get a rise out of people.
don't lie about playing video games.
>>340930785
>That being said, left is cuter
They covered her armpits ffs
Literally drink bleach
>>340931016
Nice projection buddy.
I rarely come to /v/ anymore, I'm somewhat surprised MUH CENSORSHIP threads are still a thing, I figured you had moved on to something else.
Anyway, I stand by my point.
>>340929935
>fucking removed the transparency from the sleeves
>used the fill tool instead of actually doing anything
How fucking retarded can they possibly be?
>>340931321
You have no point fuckass.
>I barely come to /v/ blah blah projection blah blah blah
Fuck off with that. If you're going to pull the "I am better than you" card, try not spamming MUH maymays in the same sentence of your epic burn.
It ruins the fapping.
/thread
>>340883056
The only people who complain about muh censorship are lonely fat neckbeard virgin weeaboos
>>340890054
it's not an established medium like literature, film, or music.
>>340931321
>I'm surprised you're still talking about a thing still happening in the industry
>>340883056
Because there's more to a game than just the gameplay.
Especially in, say, an RPG.
Why would you ever have to ask?
>>340931964
Don't bother anon, you're talking to a child. He's just going to call you a weeb or some shit.
Don't bother trying to argue with these people, OP.
Pretty much everyone knows #FE is a shitty game. The only reason to buy it now is for the tits and ass. For people to cause such a fuss about censorship basically proves they had zero interest in this game's story/gameplay and only wanted to use it as another source of fap material in an industry filled to the brim with games that do just that.
It's the same deal with FE Fates and the petting thing. Localization and changing things as the cross borders has been going on for ages, but people only cause a fuss when it affects what gets their dick hard.
What's worse is that these people fall back on some flimsy GG-type rhetoric, spouting how video games are some sacred art medium and that covering up anime tiddies is infringing on some grandiose design principle or some bullshit, then they call everyone who thinks they're retarded a SJW, time and time again.
>>340931718
You are fucking retarded so I'll spell it out for you:
This, and every single time you faggots have whined about censorship is because of something that is ABSOLUTELY INCONSEQUENTIAL to gameplay.
I can't give a shit about it, and neither do people who actually play videogames.
>But MUH CENSORSHIP
>MUH PRINCIPLES
You are not fooling anyone you thirsty faggots, I know full well that if they censored something non-sexual for whatever reason you wouldn't give a shit about it. You are not angry because of artistic integrity or some shit (which is also retarded btw because videogames are not art) you are just pissed your wanking material got downgraded.
>>340883958
>This would be like saying when they adjust the color palette of a fighter when both players pick him in street fighter they're ruining the game.
Alt palettes let players using identical characters differentiate themselves.
The original palette is still in the game.
Censoring an outfit removes the original entirely.
These are not comparable situations.
I just think that maybe if they honestly believe that their fanservice is shameful enough that they would want to hide it from the rest of the world, maybe they shouldn't put it in the game in the first place.
>>340926595
thats a retarded false correlation and you are retarded for believing it
>>340932095
I'm not throwing a bitch fit over how much skin is shown in a videogame, and I'm the child.
kek
Some people are pretty devoid of self awareness I see.
I like tits. I like it when the only difference between countries versions is the language.
>>340932620
but you are, right now
>>340926595
FE Fates is an actual FE game and their success in sales were thanks to Awakening
Censorship shitposting only made more piratefags if anything
>>340932987
Piratefags are just stingy cunts who are constantly looking for rationalization and excuses to steal shit, I'm sure they were going to pirate it anyway.
>>340932432
it's actually not shitty, it's a decent jrpg
>>340932432
>>340932471
So why censor it if it's just to cock tease? Wouldn't the only people who would buy it are the people who want to see tits? Why censor it for people who don't want to see it? Why can't they just not buy the game if that sort of thing bugs them? Why defend censoring it if it doesn't matter to you at all?
Your reasoning for this just comes off as bias towards perverts and not as any actual defense for censorship in general.
>>340933235
probably the weakest bait in this thread desu
>>340932540
>implying censors are the same people as the ones who develop the game
least intelligent post in the thread
>>340899301
If I had to change my product to get it released somewhere in the world, that's something I'd be willing to do if I'm trying to make a profit off of it.
I understand where you're coming from but you can't assume every creator would be upset about this sort of thing.
Mind, there's plenty out there that would, but that's not all of them.
>>340933235
What about the swaths of people around Fates' release who said they going CFW because they legitimately want to play a patched version of that game in a much more faithful form?
There is literally no reason to defend censorship. In a land of liberty it's pretty shameful that there are some things we aren't allowed to see, but it's okay because its not the government, it's just companies so it isn't illegal. It's not like a normalized culture of censorship won't affect public perception.
I will say it's in Nintendo's every right to do whatever they want with their own properties. At the same time it's my right to refuse to purchase any game I don't wish to for whatever reason.
You can say it's a business decision, but there's nothing stopping them from releasing two versions, an uncensored and censored versions. Movies have been doing that for decades now, but games, which have vastly more technical options available to them, have more draconian measures applied to them. Having two versions would reach a larger audience and would be far more profitable.
But the real reason they don't do this is not due to a lack of demand for an uncensored product, it's because of moral crusaders who would start a witch hunt if Nintendo released uncensored games. Whether it's right-wing fundamentalists, left-wing feminists, or SJW inside the company itself, there's some group out there who's dictating what you can and can't see based on their own moral values. This is what I fucking can't understand about censorship defenders. You willingly give power to this group and for what reason? It's incredibly retarded. This is why cultural effects of self-censorship are far more dangerous than legal mandated censorship. It's because there's no one to question it when everyone agrees with it. And then we have effectively ceded some of our freedoms.
>>340883056
Censorship is the final frontier for finally understanding that graphics=gameplay and you can't act like they're separate or you should ever prioritize one at the expense of the other.
>>340883056
I'm paying usually top dollar for a product that was needlessly changed compared to the original product. I am ok with maybe 1-2 small things, but when something like TMS has like 20+ things and counting change, fuck that.
>>340883056
They are also censoring storyparts because it was in an onsen or something.
>>340933960
This.
If people are trully not ok with the changes, they must voice their opinion so Nintendo becomes afraid that this decision would hurt them.
Even if they sell more like this, we can still try to show that they're losing the support of us, the more loyal consumers, and hopefully they'll value the long term more than the quick buck. This is not so outside of reality, since Nintendo often favor the long game.
>>340933960
but the changes are hurting the profits in this case
It doesn't matter if the content being censored has a detrimental effect on the game or not. The issue lies with the principle, not the observable outcome. Altering or outright removing features from a product for it's localization is inherently shitty, regardless of what that content entails. People who look at situations like #FE and say "get over it, it's not even important" are going to be sorry when this parade of censorship keeps escalating and suddenly entire gameplay elements are being axed from future games for the sake of avoiding any backlash (from people outside the demographic, mind you).
NEVER shrug and happily accept a watered down product, even if the alterations don't concern you. This apathetic attitude toward censorship is allowing companies to get away with a poisonous practice, and it will only get worse.
>>340935339
True.
This is a sad case where doing so has gone horribly wrong and only hurt everyone.
It's 2016 and a global economy. People will find out about altered costumes and I've never seen any that was better than the original. There's no need to do it in this day and age but NoA sucks.
Most pro-censorship posts are bait but it scares me that some are legitimately ok with the process.
>>340933392
I'm not defending censorship so much as I am pointing out that I find it silly as shit when people try to make this look like they only care about the principle behind it and not that they are just mad their fap material got ruined.
The scale and comparisons are also really fucking out of hand. One guy in this thread compared videogames to the Mona Lisa.
I've seen people in these threads mention the Gulags for fucks sake.
>>340935339
We don't know that.
It might even increase sales. After all, that's the very reason why censorship exists: to broaden the audience, not make it smaller.,
The exception is maybe to contain drama that could potentialy be turned into bad press over time, but I doubt that would be the case with this game.
But we'll find out the effects soon enough.
>>340935949
It's mostly insecure faggots who think recoling from waifubait makes them look mature and alpha, just look at this thead
>>340887942
That settles it, they've done this for reaction. They don't give a shit about any ethical reasons, this is purely for effect. No one in their right mind would go to this much effort to hire a voice actress to re-dub a line to reflect her now localized legal in 'murica age to then proceed to cover up any hint in skin anyway, especially in a basic wedding dress.
They're expecting some kind of Dragon's Crown effect with this reaction bringing in more sales but that's not happening with it on Wii U in the first place.
>>340936720
>Im defending censorship because I don't like people making hyperbole out of it
You really are an illuminated individual
>>340887942
>censoring fucking hands
this isn't even sad anymore. this is fucking hilarious.
>>340930785
>That being said, left is cuter, it looks like she's wearing something skin-tight under the dress and I like that.
lol
>>340937092
Not to mention that Vanillaware responded by not giving a single fuck.
WHAT I DONT GET IS WHY THEY WASTE TIME EVEN DOING STUFF LIKE THIS
ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS TRANSLATE THIS TO ENGLISH AND GET SOME ENGLISH VOICE ACTORS AND IT'LL BE EASY. EVEN IF THE ESRB RATING GOES UP BY 1, IT'LL STILL SELL BETTER IF IT WAS JUST LEFT ALONE. ALMOST LITTLE TO NO PARENTS/KIDS FOLLOW IT ANYWAYS
>>340937224
Great counter-argument friend.
I'll try to be more specific so maybe you can reply with something more insightful than greentexting and a reaction image:
Videogames are not art. It is fucking ludicrous to compare videogames to a timeless piece of art, and it is therefore silly to put censorship of one on the same level as censorship of the other.
Furthermore, Nintendo has a corporate image.
Whatever thought process that goes behind this is most likely an attempt to maintain said corporate image, and that sounds more important than appeasing a bunch of neckbeards who apparently were going to spend at least 40 dollars on something to help them masturbate, since, based on some posts in this thread, the games loses value for not having that anymore.
>>340937092
if they're going for Dragon's Crown effect, then they're doing the polar opposite of it.
>>340937913
I'm not arguing you retard, I'm mocking you, you just confirmed you are just a contrarian who gets off to opposition, you don't even care about this, stop pretending you do
>>340892059
I'm done with Nintendo. I've bought about every major game they've ever put out since they released the N64 and always defended them, but they're doing their best to burn the company to the ground. I'm not even hyped for Zelda anymore.
I need to learn jap. Just imagine the all the shit that becomes available. You don't have to deal with censorship.
>>340883056
Explain to me why it's necessary at all.
>>340938629
You are fucking stupid then, if you can't even make a point in this discussion nor disprove the things I said then you are in no position to mock anyone or to call anyone contrarian, you goddamn imbecile.
>>340938168
Reverse Dragon's Crown effect, absolute madmen
>>340939123
truly marketing geniuses. Way ahead of their time.
>>340938893
Post me your NoA employee card an maybe I will believe you give a shit about Nintendo's corporate image
>>340937913
>Videogames are not art.
Okay. Movies, music and literature are not art by extension of this mindset. Good job!
>It is fucking ludicrous to compare videogames to a timeless piece of art
What are you even trying to say? Why is this comparison not valid? Because technology have not allowed video games to exist as long as other mediums, any comparison is dumb? Why is Mona Lisa more timeless than any specific video game? Because society says so?
>silly to put censorship of one on the same level as censorship of the other.
The idea and mindset is exactly the same, it's perfectly applicable. More people care about video games than the Mona Lisa, I can assure you that much.
>it's okay to show people having limbs torn off and being mutilated by firearms and sharp objects and explosives
>it's even expected for kids to play them and for parents to not care
>but lewd depictions of males and females are not allowed even if the intended audience is adults
Explain why this is allowed.I honestly think both are fine and people need to grow the fuck up instead of being triggered by shit in a fucking video game.
>>340887942
This is way beyond vandalism. Close doors already NOA.
>>340939457
this game looks lewd to you?
>>340939349
>>Videogames are not art.
>Okay. Movies, music and literature are not art by extension of this mindset. Good job!
How or why exactly did you come to this conclusion?
VideoGAMES are a separate category from all of those too.
>>340883056
People aren't playing this game because of the gameplay, they're playing it to jerk off to idoltrash.
>>340939349
>Why is Mona Lisa more timeless than any specific video game? Because society says so?
I'd argue the Mona Lisa has more artistic value than a large majority of video games, but you have a point. Everything is subjective. I wouldn't compare most video games to Da Vinci's works. I think Deviantart Sonic drawings would be a closer comparison unless you were talking about a very specific few games.
>>340883056
Because visuals matter. I consider gameplay to be significantly more important than visuals or story, but even I won't claim visuals don't affect the atmosphere and the overall experience. Unreal with shittier visuals would lose some of what makes it great, for example. Similarly, censoring Bayonetta would worsen it.
>>340883056
Simply put, we don't get to see something other people do.
That's literally it, if it was censored for eveyone, no one would give a shit
>>340940162
>if it was censored for eveyone, no one would give a shit
see Star Ocean 5
>>340939912
Da Vinci is 100% overrated trash tho, any artist with serious studies can tell you that, he's praised because of his contributions to the field not because of his works
>>340939849
>VideoGAMES are a separate category from all of those too.
Because there's no argument in the world that can be used to argue the artistic merit in movies that can't be used for video games. The same goes for the rest. There is no argument presented for why video games are not art, besides you highligthing the word GAMES like a moron (that's not an argument by the way).
>>340939912
>I think Deviantart Sonic drawings would be a closer comparison
Why are you even interested in this hobby if you think that's an apt comparison. Why would someone who holds video games in so low regard even bother with them. I'm genuinely curios. Have you seen general art? I'm not talking contemporary or modern. Most of those won't induce feelings in people. You grossly overrate most of artistic history and downplay a medium that has only existed for a few decades. Of course mediums that have been present for millenia have more notable works and bigger societal status.
>>340940641
Ah, Metal Gear Solid then.
>>340940827
that's a pretty good comparison actually
>>340888582
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y1RVMplNAc
FREEEDOM STARS
>>340940660
>There is no argument presented for why video games are not art
You have presented no argument for why videogames ARE art either.
You are the moron if you can't see why I emphasized the word games.
Videogames are meant to be entertainment, they have as much artistic merit as an Avengers movie, a song by Shakira or some easy to read novel. Yes, artists of some kind were involved in the process of their creation but I'm using the word "artist" very loosely, and that doesn't automatically make them art, or at the very least it certainly does not put them on the same tier as classical art.
>>340940660
>Why are you even interested in this hobby if you think that's an apt comparison. Why would someone who holds video games in so low regard even bother with them
Not that guy but I agree with him.
I fucking love videogames, I think they are very fun, I just don't delude myself into thinking they are an art form, I don't need them to be art.
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