holy fuck I thought 65 was the recommended level for the DLC? I'm 73 right now and getting my shit wrecked. those hunters take forever to kill and forget about those giant golems with the purple eyes.
I finally made it to Ludwig and holy shit I used every bloodvial and didn't get him a quarter of the way down.
I have 42 skill and using +8 Blades of Mercy and they are just barely denting everyone's health bars.
I'm going back to the main game and beating it before this shit. (note - not in NG, just made a new character)
>Blades of Mercy
That's why. Also, you should have +10 weapons at that point.
use rakuyo
>>340850876
are they not good? everyone says they're good
Pump like 30 levels into health and get the saw to +10.
>>340851805
but my main issue is I'm doing no damage and my weapon's almost +10 and at the 50 softcap
>>340851676
It's a slash and dash type of weapon that's fun to use, but it doesn't dish out nearly enough damage for it to be viable in the later areas-
I have it at +8 though so who knows. Maybe it's insane at +10.
>>340852080
you should have at least +9, +10 if you are on NG+
the DLC is hard anon you'll get used to it.
>>340852130
hmm interesting. is there a good skill build alternative for later in the game?
>>340850786
OP, getting gud has no level.
You wouldn't be able to do shit even at 120.
>>340850786
what?
i did on 50 on my blt build
reiter is love, reiter is life
>>340850786
I played DLC at 130 lvl.
>>340852736
>only pc shitters spam "git gud" they said
>not using the weapon I like the most
What are you fucking stupid?
>>340852434
Literally everything is better than BoM
>Rakuyo
>Church Pick
>Cane
>Burial Blade
>Beasthunter Saif
Pick your poison
>>340852834
That's still statistically correct, it did start with them after all.
Still, I reserve my right to bestow Git Gud's upon you at this moment of difficulty.
Like others said, get you weapon to +10 already, and have get 50 health
>>340850786
>blades of mercy
found your problem. they are shit. did my first dex run with them. killed simon the minute i got to the dlc and rolling with the bowblade now.
>>340853201Bowblade is BLT, also get the lost one
>>340850876
>can access the DLC after Amelia
>+10
Fuck off shitters
>>340853297
skill bloodtinge. both A.chalice dungeons - not even once
>>340853459
Just look up the code, all dlc weapons can be found in pthumerian layer one
>>340853596
what does the cursed one do better? i have not looked into all that shit at all
>>340853685
Lost has a slot for bloodtinge gems, while Simons is circular or triangle, I don't remember
>bloodborne dlc is the literal definition of GIT GUD
>>340853846
>Is as hard as end game areas, can be accessed after the second forced boss
>full of top tier weapons and upgrade materials early on, everything's worth a dicktonne of souls allowing you to power level quickly
>but only if you're not shit
>>340853201
>bowblade
Bowblode ruined this game for me. I don`t know how to play melee again after this glorius chasefest.
>>340853784
ow shit. that's pretty gud actually.
>>340850786
do you have about 1300 health and 400ish damage? You should be fine.
>want to play The Old Hunters
>only have a couple characters at New Game+
>don't want to make a new character
>don't want to get my shit pushed in by NG+
Is it like the Dark Souls 2 DLC where it doesn't scale to NG+?
>>340854210
No, it scales hard. The bosses have like 2 times the health.
Post hunters tho
>>340854096
>Sony fanboys have so much free time because nogames they spend it making shitty stawman animations
>>340854210
Grab some good gems, get a +10 weapon and ~50 VIT (or 40 vit and both hp runes) and you'll be fine doing it in NG+
>>340854210
You'll be fine, you can always summon. It's well well worth it
>>340854295
>2 times the health
Bullpucky
>>340850786
you should have atleast +9 weapon for the dlc
>>340854392
>getting this asshurt
You are who that video was mocking
>>340854392
>This mad
PC user just got BTFO
>>340850786
The initial area in the DLC is designed so you run and avoid most enemies.
You will know that you can and cant kill.
After you beat the surprisingly easy first boss of the dlc you will find other areas much easier.
>>340854419
>you can always summon
>implying I'm still paying for PS+
>>340854392
I don't know why they have to be so mean I wish Bloodborne was on PC
>>340854593
There's NPC summons all over the shop
>>340854337
You know, when you think about it, the whirling saw suffers from some serious design flaws
1. The teeth are too small. Sure, they'll shred a mad townswperson just fine, but something like a BLB, Amygdala, or Darkbeast? They'll register only as papercuts
2. Swinging it around like a hammer would shatter the teeth into a million pieces, especially if they were spinning at the time. The hardness of the teeth also makes them brittle, and must be handled rather gently. You don't swing a circular saw at a log like an axe.
0/10 weapon, do not recommend
My first playthrough of the DLC was on my base HP arcane build. I kept getting my shit pushed in by the Orphan and I haven't touched it since. How long has it been? I really need to pick it up again.
I remember Ludwig being a wall, but after I got him to the second phase he wasn't too bad. That was with a Bloodtinge build, with the Chikage and Rifle Spear, as well as Evylin.
Man, bloodtinge build was fun
>>340854640
1. The circular saws moveset allows it to be thrust deep into larger enemies, the near-indestructible teeth gouging away at the beast's flesh, allowing for deeper penetration. Which brings us to your second point:
2. The teeth are indestructible because magic hunter tech.
It's one of the most popular weapons and not that interesting and definitely the most easymode, but it is overall undeniably the best.
pic related I can use every weapon so there
>>340854392
but this animation was actually made by a pcfat from youtube who doesn't have ps4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-idkOjAnWL0
>>340854295
oh great. i always felt like the orphan needed more health
>>340854647
parry you faggot
>>340854952
>the teeth allow it to be thrust deeper into enemies
That would be true, IF the head of the saw wasn't getting in the way. The depth of cut you can achieve only goes down to where the saw blade joins the overall hammer-head thing. After that, the blunt surface stops you from going further.
Not to mention that the RIP AND TEAR nature of the weapon puts you at a much higher risk of going blood-drunk at any given time
Now, a real solid design is the Hunters Axe. It's an axe: solid, reliable, effective in a wide variety of situations. It's transformation? Making a longer axe, for even more flexibility while sacrificing none of its effectiveness. Plus, you don't have to carry around a massive fucking weight on your back.
Hunter Axe: 10/10 weapon, would recommend
>>340850786
Get a different weapon
Use fire paper
dodge underneath Ludwig
Get hit eventually
blood vial
repeat
Blades of Mercy are fucking garbage against the DLC bosses desu.
>>340855470
That's because they're meant to hunting players, not bosses. HoH use weapons optimized for killing people instead of xboxhueg beasts
>>340850786
You got meme'd. Even at 100 with chalice dungeon gems it's still pretty challenging.
NG+ is fucking unreal though.
>>340850786
I completed DLC at level 79 in NG+ and beat ludwig and orphan on my first try
have you attempted to get good?
wilhelm scream
>>340854392
But anon, that animation was ironically made on a PC.
>>340854392
How ironic, it was actually your kind that made that video.
>>340853950
>because nobody already beat the game many times before the dlc and entered the DLC in NG++++++++ and got their shit wrecked
If I go to NG+ will it reset my open chalices? I'm at Defiled Amygdala and bored of dying, so I want to go into NG+ but I don't have the materials or the effort to start the dungeon over.
>>340857757
It will not reset your open chalices
>>340857757
nope it all chalices stay
chalice difficulty is completely seperate from the normal game as well
Is doing the chalice dungeons canon?
>>340858023
beat Yharnam
>>340857757
>dying to amygdala
bait her jump attack when you get behind her and then go str8 for that phat head.
works everytime
>>340857845
>>340857851
Cheers lads
>>340858023
I thought so until Rom and Ebrietas showed up. Now I don't know where they fit in the story. Maybe the dungeons are part of the nightmare, which is why you can re-match old bosses the same way you encounter Amelia in the hunter's nightmare. Or maybe you're just re-living the memories of the Byrgenwerth boys the same way the fishing hamlet is a recreation of the old hunters' memories.
>>340858424
>re-match old bosses
if fucking only
I'd be playing the shit out of Defiled chalices if ALL the bosses where present
including DLC ones
>>340858424
Great Ones have a transcendental existence, they exist on multiple planes of reality, all at once. Killing them in Yharnam has very little meaning, in terms of ending their existence in the Nightmare, or in the CDs.
Kos granted Rom eyes after washing up dead on the beach. She also helps the Orphan during the fight by summoning lightning.
The Orphan lingers on as a spirit after you kill him.
Mergo is dead IRL, but is alive in the Nightmare, and is alive in the CDs
Rom is dead IRL (the Altar of Despair), but lives on in the moonlit lake.
Great ones have a nasty habit of not dying when you kill them.
>>340850786
>its a bloodborne thread
>>340850876
I killed Ludwig at level 27 with a +4 Saw SpearFirst time I beat him at level 70 with a boomhammer +9 and it took me more than 200 tries.
>>340859134
YOU
ARENOTWANTEDHERE
>>340853361
the amount of twinshards and chunks at the start of the dlc give way to this option guy.
>help out people in chalice dungeons
>try to show a guy how to avoid getting rekt by guillotine trap
>walk slowly towards button, walk over guillotine
>his turn
>rushes in, dies
i could hear DSP say "WHUAAAAAT?" in my sick little mind
Anyways, how do you like my 'Arry, /v/?
>>340860604
9/10, he's pure ARC, right?
>>340859134
This thread made me want to make a new character. Is the Church Pike a STR weapon? My last builds were SKL and BLT.
>>340860915
Arcane is really strong in this game so i try to vary attacks so it doesnt get boring and also use my trusty fire cane that in my headcannon is his big magic wand (Lucius had a similar one, or just used a cane to hide his wand i think)
>>340850786
Is the hunters axe viable for the whole game or should I change at some point?
>>340861142
It's skill
>>340861301
One of the best weapons in the entire game
>>340861170
Imagine if American wizards figured out how to make enchanted guns, with enchanted bullets
Can someone post their SKL BLT stats
>beat all chalices plus a few roots for gems
>feel bad about killing the DLC bosses too easily
>still get my shit wrecked a dozen times by Gehrman
wew
>>340861301
Don't listen to that guy >>340861742
Every weapon is good.
Choose to your liking.
>>340861301
Bloodborne is simple Vitality to 30-50 endurance to 30-40 and split 50 points between 1 or 2 offensive stats your gonna use for example 25 dex 25BLT or just 50STR
>>340852434
Beasthunter Saif is probably the best late game skill weapon.
>>340862531
Hahaha no
Church pick or burial blade
>>340862265
>END to 30 or 40
hmmmm...
>>340850786
the blades of mercy are a great fine weapon and what i used my first time beating him
i first beat ludwig with just about the exact same stats as you except +7 blades of mercy, i did fine damage, it took like 4 tries. great fight, i think you need better blood gems if you cant hurt him
also a tip, the blood guy pounding on the gate on the run up to ludwig drops 5 blood vials every time
>>340862606
>burial blade
>split damage
uhhhhhh
>>340862531
burial blade / rakuyo probably both better
>>340862265
>leveling endurance past 15
lol
>>340862265
>endurance above 20
Wasted stats
>>340863125
Still better than the saif.
>>340853132
It's not you fucking moron
/deshitter/ here, the git gud meme is a casualisation/proliferation issue, not a das pc release issue, it's merely that there has been a literal 10,000% increase in number of people who know these games exist
>>340863863
>>340863650
What's wrong with levelling Endurance?
>>340864370
For NG and PVP, you only really need 15-20. For some weapons even base is fine.
For NG+ and depth 5 chalices, you probably want more than 20, because now enemies have a gorillian more HP and your combos aren't long enough.
>>340864370
you'll never actually need any stamina past 20, the situations where you'll catch yourself saying "golly gee if only I had put 10 more points into END" are so outrageously few and far between, that you're wasting the points
>>340864370
actions in bloodborne barely use stamina gauge, no point in leveling up after 15 or 20 especially since you can get stamina up runes
actual stats should be:
vitality 40-50
endurance 15-20
primary DPS ability 50
secondary DPS ability 25
(can transfer some stats to arcane if you want some basic hunter tool use)
note: an arcane build should focus on arcane over a secondary stat, something like 70+
>>340850876
You miss unique dialogue if you do the dlc after the nightmare of mensis though, so really you shouldn't have a +10 weapon
>>340864830
>you miss unique dialogue if you do the dlc after the nightmare of mensis
unique dialogue from who?
I'm gonna be going at well over 110, because I decided to do the chailce dungeons first with Moon 3 rune.
How hard am I going to wreck the DLC?
>>340863125
Split damage isn't bad at all in BB
This isn't DaS3 bro
>>340864830
Only if Wet Nurse is dead and the workshop is on fire. You can clear out Mensis for gems, chunks and rocks and just turn back before Wet Nurse.
>>340865081
why does Gehrman set the workshop on fire after you kill the Wetnurse?
>>340864702
>>340864624
>>340864609
Well shit, looks like I fucked myself then. I put End to 29, mainly because I wanted to use the L2 for the wheel while having some left over to dodge and/or run.
>>340864940
The final boss can still put up a fight when you're overleveled, the rest will be disappointing. I'd recommend doing the DLC on a different character so you don't spoil the experience.
>>340865186
Because you don't need it anymore, your job is over, the hunt is over and Mergo is dead.
>>340865225
>looks like I fucked myself then
Only if you were planning on stopping at a specific level to PVP.
>>340865508
>Only if you were planning on stopping at a specific level to PVP.
Oh, is that it? I never really bother with PvP, so that's no skin off my nose.
>>340865691
there's a meta level for pvp but if you don't care about it you don't have to stop there
on the other hand it will become very, very hard to level up as each level will take a shit ton of echoes so you've essentially cheated yourself out of maybe 150k echoes later down the track
in the long term this is a really low and irrelevant number but in the short term leveling might be frustrating
if you haven't noticed anything yet then don't worry about trying for max efficiency, you've clearly managed to build something you feel comfortable with and that's all that matters in the end.
>>340865691
You're fine. If you need echoes later, kill aliens in Isz chalice dungeons.
>there will never be a bloodborne 2
I can't handle this feel. I loved it so much more than souls.
>>340865914
I managed just fine with the Old Hunters for the most part. Now I'm gonna be tackling the Nightmare of Mensis with a Arc/Str build.
Got 30 in Strength and 40 in Arc right now, with any further levelling going into either Vit or Arc.
>>340864285
It was a monster hunter thing before.
you are all wrong and stupid
>>340861142
It can be STR based with the right gems
Your level doesn't really matter if you suck.
>>340862265
>endurance
>30-40
>>340866334
>everything needs a sequel
Learn to enjoy what you have you greedy fuck. People like you ruin good games
>>340868298
>You want more good video games, you ruin video games!
Fucking pretentious cunt.
>>340868472
>good video games
>From`s sequels
>>340866334
why the hell would you want BB2? There's nothing left to do, the game is wrapped up in a neat little bow. You'd DaS2 the setting, fool
>>340868547
>DaS II is bad (a bad souls game sure)
>DaS III is bad
>>340868567
See above.
>>340868754
They aren`t so bad, but they are far worse than standalone games. At least mechanically they decent (even DaS2 has some neat features), but lore was completely fucked up.
>>340862531
You meanbabyMaria's edgeblades
>>340855387
>axefags
I thought this is 2016
>>340868754
I don't know man, I'm hoping it's just the warm weather has got me not in the mood for Souls 3. I'm going to try again in winter butI might not like it as much as 2 right nowand I don't think much to that at all
Whats the "Meta PVP" level
I remember in the base game it was low but didn't the dlc boost it to ~120?
Want to know how I know PS4 players are trash? They thought Orphan was hard.
The entirety of bloodborne was piss fucking easy. Like devil may cry on easy automatic easy mode.
>>340869357
>But i might not like it as much as 2
You will. It's miles better.
>>340868754
DaS2 objectively fucked up the setting super super super hard, anon.
>>340868298
>greedy
>for wanting more of something good
So do you only eat shit? Because if you want more of something good you're just a greedy shit.
>>340869574
Orphan is harder than anything in dark souls 1-3, at least.
>>340870027
I honestly didn't think so at all. You're given so much utility and movement in bloodborne it's nearly impossible to die I thought.
>>340870027
>responding to shitty bait
you're the reason why /v/ is shit
>>340853784
Why would you use the lost bowblade when phys +x% also boost blood damage?
>>340869574
It did, but it wasn't a bad game.
>>340870143
Maybe you should play BB before making shitty claims anon.
>>340870143
You sound hugely uninformed
>>340869574
Anyone else remember the screencaps of the game completion/player death numbers in DSII for both 360 and PS3 userbases? Sonyggers are fucking awful gamers.
>>340870595
You mean game completion/number of players?
>>340853361
Are you supposed to be level 70 after Amelia? Fuck off, retard
>>340853091
Yeah good thing he has access to literally none of those but the cane.
>>340850786
>be lvl 120
>laurence and orphan still kick my shit in.
That said ive been using +10 saw blade because fuck other weapons.
I've died on ludwig like twice ever and I've gone up to NG+7 without overleveling and tried loads of new characters. I find it funny that everyone complains about him.
THE ORPHAN OF KOS, HOWEVER.
>>340870891
it's so you can rush the dlc and grab stuff like the beast cutter and whirligig saw early in the game
Whats the best weapon on all bloodborne (vanilla +dlc) ? I have that one sword that costs 20000 that you buy besides the doll.
>>340871518
depends on what, pve or pvp?
>>340871207
Orphan of Kos has no element of randomness.
you can learn his shit and then reliably beat him.
With Ludwig there is bullshit rng.
>>340871738
Beating the story, i dont play online
>>340872162
then probably the whirligig saw
>>340872065
>with ludwig, there is bullshit rng
such as?
What's an easy mode build for ds3 pve?
Heard that bleed should be legit.
Just want to finish the game.
>>340872313
DaS3 is easy as fuck, you really don't need an easy mode build
but if you must, use the estoc
>>340872505
+ greatshield
>be lvl 130
>cant beat the orphan
>cant beat chalice rom
I just wanna fonish everything up before i ng+
>>340872667
you're way overleveled
>>340872667
>cant beat chalice rom
But how? I rekt her with my chikage before 3rd phase.
>>340872667
>Still in Lower Pthumeru
You haven't even hit the hard chalices yet.
>>340872667
>can't beat chalice Rom
>wants to finish all of the CDs
you have literally no idea what's coming at you, you sweet summer child
About to attempt the DLC with
>30 vit
>20 end
>25 Str
>20 skill
>10 BT
>10 Arc
Using axe+9. Should I level up more? Or will it make things too easy if I do?
>>340872838
Im at end game minus the chalices and orphan
Also i wernt 120 for pvp and started tossing souls into blt.
>>340873162
no that's great, in fact a little over for the first half
>50 STR Blunt LHB
>>340873162
You'll do well.
That are decent stats.
>>340873162
ideal stat split for the Axe (fully upgraded) is 40-50 STR, 25 SKL. Shoot for that going forward
you'd do well to put a few more points into VIT to get it to 35, but it's not that big of a deal. Wear the +HP runes
Most / all weapons are viable. Ignore the shitters telling you that BoM are bad.
Enemies simply have plenty of health and hit like a truck in the DLC.
How do BB fanboys deal with the fact that the last four bosses of the maingame are complete pushovers?
>>340873413
Why 40 STR?
50 and 25 are the softcaps or not?
>>340873615
lol
>>340873264
>>340873280
>>340873413
Thanks. Hopefully by this time next week, I'll have a shiny new platinum.
>>340873676
50 is indeed the softcap, but you might not hit it by the end of NG if you aren't leveling the shit out of your character. It's possible, though. Just get SKL to 25 and keep leveling STR as high as you can
>>340873582
wrong as usual, blade of mercy is not viable until +10 and even then the DLC says FUCK YOU. Just summon for ludwig and grab the MLGS and make it +10. shit hits like a truck tricked or untricked
>>340873878
I used them perfectly fine with my SKL character. Pretty much all SKL weapons were good. Maybe you're shit and want to blame the weapon.
>>340874253
>all skl weapons are good
threaded cane is trash
Did I fuck up raising end to 20 on my strength build?
>>340874528
You're trash.
I do think they're in the low tier of SKL weapons though.
>>340873878
BoM is great, every skill weapon is great except the cane
>>340873878
>blade of mercy is not viable until +10
really? I thought it was amazing.
You are saying I was playing with a handicap all this time?
>>340874528
>cane
>trash
It's a poor early game weapon, but lategame with the stat investment it's really good
>>340874765
no, some str weapons need more END actually, it's up to you
>>340874765
20 is okay. Wouldn't go any higher though. End is fairly useless outside of a beast claw build.
>>340874842
>it's a good weapon after you've hardcapped skl and you've already cleared 95% of the game
that's like saying "no no, the game is good past the 25 hour mark"
>>340874908
I raised it because before I'd be out of stamina after 3 hits with my whirligig saw
Is HMS good for arcane build?
>>340859662
AWAYAWAY
>>340874997
Then it is probably fine.
I would go more after a general feeling with stamina.
It is really hard to find a perfect mathematical stopping point because of different swing cost and damage for weapons.
>>340850786
>tfw you beat it at 40
>>340875008
I'm doing a build, and it can be good. But you need some minimum STR and SKL, else your non arcane hits will be shit.
HOWEVER, you will need to go into the chalice dungeons to get those % dmg gems, don't remember the name. The gems are pretty much required, so take that into consideration. Else, you'll probably do better by sticking an elemental gem into any A ARC scaling weapon.
At 63 and just put Ludwig down. Haven't really had to much of an issue up to that point. The 2 hunters you meet after Ludwig is giving me some issues though.
>>340875681
>lying on a Taiwan cartoon board
>>340875747
i think you might need more endurance
holy moonlight sword aint light to swing brah, you'll be out in 2 swings
>>340875747
Also ignore the Saif, no idea why it's there. You can move some stats around, but the 50 ARC and 25/25 for STR and SKL are recommended. With the % ATK gems (NOT physical) you'll be doing some very damage. Normal hits, HMS beams, ARC tools, anything will do high damage.
http://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/10/best-blood-gems-setups.html
Look up the HMS on the list. There are 21% ATK gems
>>340876063
And yeah, that can work. You can move some of those around. I haven't tested it that well yet, so there's room for improvement.
>>340875881
I'm not lying, took me three months though
>>340874528
i can't use anything else.
nothing else has the style and flair
You can beat the whole game without levelling. The DLC is perfectly doable at low levels too.
Rifle Spear best SKL weapon
>>340875747
i would probably go more STR over skill
it scales more with str and nourishing gems (what you should be using with HMS) increase visceral damage anyways.
Plus, a heavy attack during a visceral will probably do more damage anyway.
>tfw first attempt at old hunters was at NG+ 5
What a nightmare
>>340876712
>it scales more with str and nourishing gems (what you should be using with HMS) increase visceral damage anyways.
What? They increase viscerals? How?
>>340877158
all of the 4 damage types increase visceral damage if I recall correctly, but skill increases visceral a bit more than the others
>>340877158
ATK up +x% affects all damage, including visceral
