ITT: game mechanics that are universally shitty and should fuck off forever
I'll start
>inventory restictions of any kind - weight, size etc
Fuck off and let me carry as much shit as I want
>hunger/sleep
Just no
>walking in a non-stealth game
Why
>random generation
Fuck off and design your levels properly
>randomly generated level up stats
>>340780797
>restricting quests based on level
>special vision that reveals hidden items
>>340780797
>ITT: i hate this therefore it shouldn't exist
All of those depend on the genre, the style of the game , and how well they are made.
>>340780797
>stealth segments in anything but stealth games
RNG gear drops
>>340780797
you described digimon world 1 perfectly
>>340780797
These mechanics are just fine as long as they are properly implemented in a context that makes sense relative to the game they're in.
Open world
There is no such thing. It's a meme for sandboxed areas of fucking nothing
>game mechanics that are sometimes executed in a less than perfect way
>>inventory restrictions of any kind
stopped reading right there
fucking killyourself
>>340780797
Resident Evil 4 would have been a worse game without the item management.
Hunger and sleep is important in survival games, but can easily be done poorly like in Minecraft
Depends on the context, forced walking cut scenes for example, while something like Vergil's focus in DMC4SE is a neat mechanic.
Spelunky wouldn't have been nearly as fantastic without the randomly generated levels
OP just has shit taste
Turn based anything. Like holy shit, it's 2016.
>>340781140
FUCKING THIS
OP is a complete fucking faggot, games with no restrictions are boring as shit. Go back to minecraft creative mode
>>340781983
LEAVE Etrian Odyssey ALONE REEEE
>>340781983
Here's a suitable pic for that post.
Player classes
why would you be angry at walking
if you don't like walking just don't do it
there's no reason to be upset that it's there
>>340781978
>Resident Evil 4 would have been a worse game without the item management.
You actually liked the suitcase tetris?
>Hunger and sleep is important in survival games, but can easily be done poorly like in Minecraft
Survival games as a whole are cancer
>Spelunky wouldn't have been nearly as fantastic without the randomly generated levels
Rogulites are even bigger cancer
>>340781983
Turn based is fine. You just have no attention span because your life revolves around constant facebook and twitter updates
>>340782268
Holy shit, this.
>>340781983
Turn based is still ok as long as you don't take damage trying to flee.
>>340782287
> EHHHH HAHA AA HE LIKES SOMETHING I DONT WAAAAA
>>340782287
It's not about enjoying the maneuvering of items in your inventory, it's about understanding that a game where you can have everything and have to make no choices about what you take with you vs what you don't leads to a lack of tension and I'd less enjoyable
>weapon durability
The only series I've seen where this was a meaningful mechanic was Fire Emblem to make special weapons/items/tomes require some resource management.
Almost every other game you're out in the middle of the woods bashing goblins then the game gives you a chore to blow some gold on repairs.
>>340782287
>i should be able carry all the guns and unlimited ammo / hp restoration in a horror game
You're the reason RE went to shit
>>340782287
So you just have extremely shit taste, okay.
Magic asscreed vision.
>reach gear limit
>character is able to sprint around all over the place and walk at normal pace
>get 0.00001 points over the limit
>character is reduced to walking very slowly
>>340782676
It's shit in FE too.
Breakable weapons has never been fun in any game ever.
It makes even less sense for special weapons.
>this is the greatest sword ever, forged from god's penis
>breaks like a piece of shit
Ye ok.
>>340780797
>being this bad at video games
>>340780797
>Turn based rpg
>>340780797
Random drops from a random extra part of the mission that randomly happens even if you do everything required for it perfectly. Fuck you Dimps.
>>340780797open world
>>340782268
>sniper classes in multiplayer FPS
>game based around capturing objectives and close/mid range combat
>one class exist just to stand on the other side of the map and farm frags while completely ignoring the objective
what is the point
>>340781140
this
its literally retarded that games do this
Just casualize the fuck outta all the games faggots.
>everything is arbitrary and I shouldn't have to
kill yourselves
>>340783149
It's better than gimping yourself by having everything you pick up slow you down slightly.
>OP confirmed for retard
Keep your opinions to yourself next time. Nothing of that was universally shitty.
>>340780797
>hunger/sleep
That shits fine as long as you're allowed to opt in or out of it.
>>340781983
THIS POST IS LITERALLY NEO-/v/
I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A THING TILL NOW HOLY SHIT OFF YOUR SELF
>>340783693
>I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A THING TILL NOW HOLY SHIT OFF YOUR SELF
where have you been?
its been pretty bad for the past 7 years
>>340783509
i think the way you described is better, atleast it works in dragons dogma
>>340783456
Fucking DOOM's multiplayer.
>>340781140
What games do this nowadays?
>>340780797
>inventory restictions of any kind - weight, size etc
Resident Evil 4 inventory system is GOAT though. Admittedly certain RPGs do this really good as well, it's just shit games like Earthbound that fuck it up
>hunger/sleep
Depends on the game, obviously works for sim games and (again) RPGs when you need to recover. Side note, eating in San Andreas is really not that bad since your character will probably never get hungry if you're saving regularly
>walking in a non-stealth game
What's the problem here? Walking is pretty essential for transitioning from a stationary position to a run. It'll look retarded without it, and running usually lowers precision (see Dark Souls).
>random generation
Depends what you mean by this, if you mean RNG loot systems then that is indeed awful
>>340781983
this is 4chan not reddit
>Inventory weight- Carrying too much slows you down
No. This is a mechanic which DIRECTLY counters the entire genre of a sandbox game. Why make so many items and punish the player for picking up the 'wrong' ones without letting them know beforehand?
Immediately uninstalled Fallout 3 because of this garbage. A shitty mechanic that does nothing for the player, game or world building.
>>340783456
in tf2 is a casual filter.
>>340784402
more like a casual magnet
>3-5 people in your team are either snipers or spies
>>340784224
Fire emblem has been doing it since the beginning
Crafting
Leveling/Stats
>>340781374
fucking elsword did this, was especially annoying when you hit level 50 and beyond, jezus fuck even warframe isnt that grindy
>>340784529
But thats good for those who plays as a heavy of soldier. Nothing more satisfying than killing hordes of snipers as a soldier or demoman
>>340781789
Here's your 'you'
Enemy level-scaling
Why even bother having a leveling system?
>>340783509
Absolutely.
>>340782287
>he doesn't like inventory tetris
Is this the biggest faggot on /v/ right now?
this thread (at least the OP) is the truth
>RPG
>if you don't make a godtier build other players will radically anal rupture you
>>340783149
In Oblivion, you couldn't move at all while overencumbered.
>>340785516
Pokemon, right?
>>340781448
The mapper in Ratchet and clank kinda does that, but it's okay because you have to find it and it only reveals optional stuff like gold blots
>>340780797
Morality systems like karma in fallout and the paragon/renegade system in mass effect. Turns everything into a binary good/bad decision and removes any ambiguity.
>>340780797
>Two weapon carry limit in anything but a hardcore tactical shooter like SWAT 4.
>A pistol counts toward that limit
>>340783149
Or better yet, a certain item in your inventory gets you overencumbered.
Take it out of your inventory and hold it in your hands, run freely.
Monster spawners/generators are good indicators of a poor game. In and of itself it is usually poor design and shows a lack of thought process on enemy placement, level design, and general play flow.
> it has the word "craft" and/or involves zombies
>rubber banding ai
>>340785703
>Pokemon, right?
every fucking MMO has this.
>weapons and other items are never worth buying from shops either because its shit to way too expensive versus what you get as generic loot
>>340780797
>t. casual
>>340785750
>You can have one RPG and one AR
>You can't have three pistols
>>340780797
Fucking casuals... And maybe what? Fast travel everywhere you want?
No. You are not casualfag. You are spoiled idiot who was raised in easy way and you onyl want easy options.
Fuck you and may the life be hard for you as heart of my ex-girlfriend.
>>340782676
>>340783192
Even FE has gotten rid of weapon durability now. It's just a trash mechanic.
>>340780797
I don't really like Random Encounters, especially when it's like
>Combat
>Take two steps
>Another encounter
But I'm not saying it's universally shitty and should fuck off forever, some games does it well, but it just feels old
> Every MOBA ever made
>>340780797
quest markers
>>340784732
>not playing on lunatic
>one save file
>in a game where you can have multiple builds and branching paths of content/story
>some legendary weapons are worse then commons
>>340786181
>too pussy for random encounters
>muh time
>>340780797
Blame "muh immersion" for all of that.
>>340782287
>You actually liked the suitcase tetris?
Bestnpart of the fucking game, m8.
>>340781983
Go to bed, Justin.
You have a country to be running into the ground.
>item durability
>stuns in multiplayer
>>340785879
>blatantly cheating AI
>>340782287
>You actually liked the suitcase tetris?
You're not a true fan of Resident Evil unless you actually like inventory management.
>>340782279
I think he's mostly refering to when the player has two speeds, slow ass walking, and stamina consuming not as slow sprinting.
>>340781631
Okay but the Cod MW2 mission was amazing
>game has a technique that lets you move faster than your default speed
>you have to constantly spam it and it makes an annoying sound
>>340786878
>This fucker and his fucking infinite freeze blasts.
>>340781978
Pic related is adorable but how did they get that thing on snek you'd think he or she would bite you, I legitimately find snakes cute I want one for a pet but I am afraid my dog would eat the poor thing
>>340787289
>YAHOO
>YAHYAHYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY
>>340780797
>Design your levels properly
There's something that's shitty, linear games suck dick
>>340780797
RNG having any meaningful effect on the game
GET
THE
FUCK
OUT
>>340781983
what's wrong with turn-based games?
>"Open" "world" that is just a huge empty area filled with nothing and causes all objectives to involve doing the same thing over and over again.
muh time spent/money ratio
>"Customization" that just makes it so you're fucked over if you don't look up guides on the internet
muh depth
fun
Not being allowed to pause while playing by yourself.
Random cones of fire in any kind of shooter, there is no justification that my bullets are not going where my barrel is pointed.
If I have my sights on the target my round should hit, or alternatively miss because ballistics and environment influence the trajectory.
Bullets should not leave my barrel at a 30º angle because im not aiming down my ironsights or i ran for 5 seconds just because you lazy pieces of shit are too stupid to program weapon sway .
>rival boss fight
>enemy can do all kinds of shit you can't or has ridiculous stats you can never get
>inventory restictions of any kind - weight, size etc
>Fuck off and let me carry as much shit as I want
Fuck you, i always wanted a realistic inventory system for Resident Evil. If you are carring a shotgun in your hands, you shouldn't be able to carry a rocket launcher too. Also, a key should't stop you from carry a lighter.
>walking in a non-stealth game
>Why
Inmmersion.
>>340787662
>>340788101
The problem is with you. There are plenty of people who play with this things and do consistently well.
>>340788272
>not being a pokemon speedrunner
pleb
>>340787108
It was good in 4 but seriously 6 slots for items? It was shit and you know it especially with all the puzzles in the earlier games fuck
>>340786119
Those are delicious
>>340788101
Because bullets go the exact place every time in real life right? Effective ranges, running and then stopping, breathing, recoil. None of that matters?
>>340781983
>There are people that fell for this bait
>>340787735
Not him but it's retarded. Only people who can't think at a resonable pace like it.
>>340780797
>get new gear/item
>it's only useful for one area, or only used to unlock one gate
>>340782124
>>340782129
>>340782323
>>340782424
>>340783693
>>340784231
>>340786672
>>340787735
>>340788750
Not him but I've never enjoyed turn-based games, what makes them good in your opinions?
>>340789161
Why do people still play chess?
>>340788375
It sucked for Chris. That's why I always played based Jill.
>>340788317
>The problem is with you
>random number generation
I had no idea I controlled probability.
But yeah, you're retarded.
It's entirely possible to do well in an RNG game while still realizing it's a shit, unfun mechanic.
Stat allocation is a better system. So is something like effort values in Pokemon (yes, I know Pokemon also has some RNG)
Hell, even boring, old fashioned preset stat increases are less terrible.
>>340788731
There aren't any video games that have those things. They just stick RNG on the guns.
>>340789161
More strategy involved, usually
>>340789563
Insurgency
>>340780797
>Someone doesn't like survival games
>Open world game
>Mission where you are stuck in an area and can't back out
BONUS POINTS
>You can be severely under leveled for it
>>340789468
It's too bad no turn-based video game will ever truly have the depth of chess.
>Games that make you grind for fuck all
>game only autosaves and the last one was after you entered
>>340789161
>every game should be fast paced action
>tiny ass stamina meter only used for sprinting
>in a game that has a focus on exploring huge areas
I'd be fine if it was also used for fighting like in Dark Souls, but Skyward Sword's use of it was a travesty.
Games that fuck the save system
>>340790274
Is she crying because of the pain or the utter humiliation?
>>340790280
Slow pace is fine, I just think that a lot of games could benefit from not being turn-based
>>340790204
There aren't many games that truly require a significant amount of grinding.
But then there are some...
>>340780797
QTE's
>>340789161
Action and platformer are the absolute worst categories for porn games whereas turn based RPG is the pinnacle of game design.
>>340790389
I never understood why Diablo 2 needed a stamina meter.
>>340790458
I imagine it's a bit of both anon.
>Upgrade trees
>You have to waste points unlocking items you don't need to gain access to the items you want
>>340790554
>Action and platformer are the absolute worst categories for porn games
Get taste.
>>340790495
>there aren't many games
Nigga have you never played a Korean MMO? Or even things built like them, such as Monster Hunter and Borderlands?
>>340790554
Mario is Missing Peach's Quest.
Also take off those nostalgia goggles
>>340780797
>inventory restrictions
>hunger/sleep
Git gud, scrub.
>>340790650
>platformer
>jump off a cliff
>die, not even any porn involved, no space to fap
Why do people keep making these games
>action
>keep having to play game
>can't even get your hand down your pants before beating the level otherwise you lose and game over
>>340790650
>Vita
You have my complete and undivided attention
Best girl
>loot having level restrictions
This was honestly my only big problem with the Witcher 3.
>>340790790
MiM is the most poorly built porn game I have ever played on the legend of Krystal and that is saying something.
At least breeding season has good art and Gorepete's stuff is actually done
>>340790280
me itr depends
turn based games like grandia, I believe is fine
turn based game like final fantasy is mediocre
>Waypoints
If you can't guide me to the objective using the level design and in game clues alone, you're a shit game designer.
>>340789161
in SRPGs
>assemble a god-like team
>plan 5 steps ahead of the AI/player
>the satisfaction of stomping any army in your way, one turn at a time
in grand strategy game
>conquer entire lands
>have your kingdom, Anonland, rule under the rightful King Faggot
>sack kingdoms and towns as your territory grows
>the satisfaction of total control over all in your way, as you reap the spoils of war
>>340791078
There's actually a few different versions, one of them involves worlds and is actually pretty complete.
>be dungeon crawling in a place with doors
>locked door
>no key
>can bash golems to death with fists and rain death from the sky
>but by the gods this door confounds me
>>340780797
> weapon duration
It serve no purpose but being a chore.
> weapon/item crafting with autistic complexity
Getting a gazillion items or finding some rare ore in the middle of nowhere ain't no fun. Simple crafting (mixing two weapons/ weapon+simple item) or weapon upgrades are ok as long as they are not mandatory.
>open world for the sake of having to travel long distances/for "exploration"
Unless it's done with huge amount of atmosphere, otherwise it's shit.
>>340791234
>grand strategy
>turn based
>>340780797
>Casual player: the post
>Just let me press a button every minutes and have the game play itself
>>340791234
This actually makes me want to play turn-based again
>>340791383
it can be
>>340785516
>MMO
>Min maxed specs are 2-5x more effective than something that is just skilled randomly
>>340791308
It's a time-honored RPG tradition that's been around since the earliest days of D&D.
>>340786339
>Not playing video games for fun
>>340787509
Kek'd
>>340791308
This shit confused me as long as I remember. Developers could put there some ancient magically protected barrier, but no, its gotta be a thin wooden door that stops my demon-slaying badass of destruction
>>340790650
Link?
>>340791383
For the people at the very top of the chain of command, war does kind of seem turn-based.
>>340791237
MiM itself was a decent game for like 10 minutes while you struggled with the physics and hit boxes on the platforms.
Right now Peach's Untold Story is the best version and the dev is going out of their way to add so much extra bullshit that has nothing to do with porn and all the more to do with platforming and making it feel more like a Mario game. They turned 2 stages into 8 fucking poorly made worlds of which you fall through the floor in half the levels and it's so poorly optimized that it requires better hardware than Overwatch to run decently.
>RPG
>Your health increase is linear
>Enemy health increase is exponential
>Damage reflect is a mechanic
>>340780797
>Turret section
>>340789979
Chess isn't very deep. A computer can beat a chess grandmaster.
>>340781978
>Spelunky
>fantastic
my negro
>>340781140
when balancing the game is too much effort
>>340791383
Grand strategy=/=paradox games you fucko.
>>340780797
>random generation
>Fuck off and design your levels properly
Good in roguelikes, and infinite exploration things like minecraft.
Should not be used nearly as much as it has been recently. It's the sriracha of the indie scene.
>>340780797
>climb to the top of a structure to reveal events in the surrounding area and enable fast travel
OP you need to git gud if you can't manage your inventory, find safe places to rest in game, enjoy walking or need constant linear levels to finish any game.
>>340780797
>inventory restictions of any kind - weight, size etc
This isn't objectively bad though.
>>340780797
I'm with you on weight and hunger.
>you have to eat a steak every 3 minutes or you starve to death
>weight makes things more strategic
>oh wait it just makes you take several trips so bumfuck nowhere for loot.
Sprinting in FPS is so unnecessary why not just move at a constant fast speed like before.
>>340791234
>SRPGs
>AI is braindead
>90% chance they stand there doing nothing until you're within range
>virtually always poorly balanced and easy to break
>only real "challenge" comes when you have a map where the enemy starts off outnumbering you, in a better position, with tons of ranged attackers, and it becomes a tedious slog
>"durr i thought 5 moves ahead i r chess master"
I actually like srpgs, but get real. Even the best ones are prone to bad balance and AI.
>>340788375
What annoys me is the fact that a fuckin rocket launcher cost the same amount of space of a key
Do vehicle sections in platformers count as a mechanic?
>>340792539
Everything gameplay-affecting is a mechanic. Hence the term "gameplay mechanic".
>>340792396
I like games that let me change my movement speed but in a form of a small trick that slowly becomes muscle memory.
SM64 did that shit perfectly.
>>340791887
A computer can beat anyone with the right programmers. The thing is that good chess computers are designed to beat the player. Almost any other AI in a video game are designed to only give the player a challenge
hold button to reduce rng, the modern fps mechanic
>Weapons can't hit a thing without ironsights
>Dialogue choices are completely dependant on having enough persuation
>Ubisoft-slow progression systems
>Stealth sections on games not made for stealth
>Combat sections on games where combat is a guaranteed quickload
>>340792539
How many platformers actually do this? The only thing that comes to mind is Alone in the Dark 2008, and everything about that game is a complete mess.
>>340792396
But old school FPS games had ways to move much faster than running speed and those weren't constant.
>>340780797
Anytime when the game requires you to do some kind of minigame that is entirely different from the maingame and is unfun and annoying as hell. So think like the nose minigame in M&L Bowser's Inside Story or the Space canon in Dead Space.
However they're cases when the minigame can be fun, like the hacking miningame in Bioshock 1.
OP is a massive fucking faggot
>>340793121
>Is a guaranteed quickload.
Elaborate "quickload" please.
>>340790713
>monster hunter and borderlands require grinding
LOL
>>340780797
BAIT
>>340781708
The real problem is RNG item stats.
>>340780797
See, inventory belongs in games that are about resource management. Carry weight becomes just another resource.
In an open sandbox though? Horrible, horrible idea, and should really stop.
>hunger/sleep
Same issue, really. If the game is about resource management and survival, then yeah, totes fits. Don't Starve needs a hunger mechanic. Minecraft... eh, I felt like it was kind of out of place, but it's connected to health regen rate, so I'll give it a pass.
RPGs? Not a good fit.
Really, most of your problems are just issues of developers going "oh, it was good for X popular game, I should shoehorn it into mine" without thinking of why it belonged there in the first place, or how it ran counter to their own games themes and core aesthetic of play.
>>340793121
>>Weapons can't hit a thing without ironsights
The first few Brothers in Arms games are built around this and they are bretty gud. You are supposed to use positioning tactics to make up for it.
>>340781708
RNG anything just needs to die.
>>340793571
Last save/autosave/checkpoint/place from where you entered a room.
>>340793739
THIS ENTIRELY.
>>340782287
Jesus fucking Christ kill yourself
>>340781708
>RNG everything
>RNG true quest endings
>RNG affecting NPCs appearing
Don't fuck this up again Xenoverse 2
Limited inventory is such artificial difficulty .. only westerns do it
>>340793841
QUOTED FOR TRUTH
>>340783365
(You)
>>340794128
>farming frieza's mission trying to collect the dragonballs
never again
>>340793739
>totes fits
You don't get to have an opinion on the matter any more.
>>340781140
>the only number that increases is the level itself
>>340781708
>RNG Gear drops that are extremely rare and only dropped by a boss of who can't be refought after defeating it.
This shit always triggers my completionist autism.
>game punishes you for going full assault by rewarding you with less XP
>end up with a shit load of unused guns and ammo because of this
>>340781983
Turn based is fine, unless it's like Valkyria Chronicles where the enemies shoot you when it's not their fucking turn.
Literally invincible enemies that exist to usher the player in another direction are heinous. If you have to, make the enemy ridiculously over powered for my level. But damn let me at least try, if i succeed i want to be rewarded.
>sprint/run button
Just let me actually move at that speed normally if you're just going to do that. Even worse is when you have to mash it, or when the sprint is 1.1x faster but you get winded after 4 seconds.
>>340782287
>he didn't like suitcase tetris
>>340794736
>unless it's like Valkyria Chronicles where the enemies shoot you when it's not their fucking turn.
Expect that your team does that shit too and you can kill faggots with it.
>>340789979
>Chess
>deep
Mount stupid
>comeback mechanics that are on by default in single player
>items that fuck someone up but offer no benefit to the user
Blue shells say hi.
>>340783149
There's a mod that makes each encumberance point slow you down ever so slightly.
>>340787289
>what is sidehopping and rolling in Zelda
>>340794620
Not pretending that mechanic is anything other than dumb as shit but at least there's so few combat upgrades it doesn't fucking matter how little XP you get if you're just shooting everyone.
>>340780797
>Next door neighbors liked to watch me play Ocarina of Time back in the day
>I would always walk up the steps in the Temple of Time because I felt it fit the mood
>They loathe it
>So I kept doing it
Walking it the best.
>>340793142
I see it a lot in the third installment of platformers.
Spyro 3, Crash Bandicoot Warped, Sly Cooper, Jak 2 & 3, and so on.
>>340794620
If only there was a mechanic to sell things like that.
>>340795004
blue shells are necessary in mk because 1st place is the second safest spot in the game (with last being the safest). MK races would often be decided in the first 30 secs otherwise
>>340780797
This is the modern Bethesda audience
>>340795004
>comeback mechanics that are on by default in single player
>items that fuck someone up but offer no benefit to the user
Like guns?
are you just complaining about mario kart?
I wish every game had quick saves i liked games a lot more when I could accidently save myself into a corner where a bullet would kill me immediately everytime i loaded
>>340791886
>vs a helicopter boss
>>340795325
They shouldn't be in single player then, if i can outrace the ai every time
>Unskipable text filled tutorials
>bullshit RNG in turn based games
Why call it strategy if you need more luck than anything to win? FUCK XCOM
>>340780797
Why do you hate Mystery Dungeon games?
>can't save anywhere you want
>have to hold a face button to run normally in a 3D game
>entire magazines not being thrown out whenever you reload
>not being able to change difficulties midgame
>random encounters
>stealth sections in non-stealth games
aaaaAAAAAAAAAAGH
>text speed that's too fucking slow
I get maybe you don't want it to be instant speed, but there should always be an "extremely fast" option.This shit is the sole reason keeping me from replaying OoT, that text speed is hellish
Timewalls
Grindwalls
>>340781983
I fucking despite turn based games because the first one I played was quest 64 for the n64...
IT WAS PURE SHIT and I really try to love the game and turn based style but this was too deep of a shit, a shame because I know turn based games are good but fuck
>>340795678
Part of the extra strategy in my experience with turn based strategies is plan ahead and to minimize or prevent damage from being rng screwed. Although I'm not saying I agree with the usage with RNG.
>playing an online shooter
>go to outflank an enemy position
>enter a restricted area and it lowers your weapon
>"tactical" shooters are casualed to shit because apparently their demographics are too stupid to look left, right or behind every once in a while
>>340781140
Really nailed that one. I get pissed off just thinking about it.
>>340790495
At least hitting your own character quicken the grinding.
>>340795652
how about
>tutorials that pretend like they're not tutorials and are part of the game
sometimes it's handled alright, but it's usually painfully obvious it's a teaching part.
even funnier when devs act like they don't suck. http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1015541/How-I-Got-My-Mom
>>340780797
CRAFTING.
fuck every game forever that has this piece of shit unfun mechanic.
>>340796092
>Starting with shitty games when trying out a new genre.
>Letting that first example distaste you away from said genre.
Don't let that affect your opinion on it. Actually play better turned based games. And that way you can determine on whether or not you actually enjoy turn based games or not.
Because you know what, I have played some good fighting games, but in the end I just can't into them, as they're not my thing.
>>340794942
I prefer x-com's way of doing it. Either put them on over-watch or miss your chance to kill somebody. Otherwise it doesn't really make sense. Why would you stop shooting my ass off because I started aiming my gun? If you can shoot, why can't you just go run for cover as well?
Game gives you consumables like potions and scrolls, knowing good and damn well that you are going to hoard every last one of the motherfuckers and never use them because you might need them later.
>Level up
>So do the bad guys
doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose?
>>340796772
leveling up period seems pointless. but it's usually to gain more skills you give you a tacitcal advantage, as opposed to getting more hp/def or whatever to brute force your way past.
>>340794221
>artificial difficulty
There's that meme again!
>anything that makes sense is now difficult
>>340796772
No. Most devs don't want you skipping every single fight or skipping to the end of the game and still being able to win.
>>340796612
That's probably more on so on the game's difficulty or imbalance with certain things. And by imbalances I mean things that are much better to use than said consumables like a healing spell over a healing potion. Or a mastered spell you learned over a consumable spell scroll.
>>340796772
level scaling is the worse. My home town shouldn't have lv.100 fire dick demons from hell's asshole wondering right outside.
>>340796612
>only one type of item restores MP
>it's extremely rare and you can only get it in very specific instances
why the fuck can't I just buy more ether?
there are better ways to limit the player.
>>340782664
True but there is no tension in 4. The game is programmed to give you more of whatever ammo you need
>>340797158
boss fights should scale.
>Not seeing your legs in First Person view
>Not having to sleep, eat, drink, consider the elements
>Not being burnt by fire
>Not being able to swim
Come on now. We're better than this.
>>340796612
Most 90's shooters did this with specialty ammo. Since most levels were paved with shotgun ammo, the average gamer would slog along using that most of the time instead of pulling out the right tool for the job.
>>340787484
It just crawled right through.
And your dog might eat it, but your dog might eat a lot of living things
>magic doesn't auto regenerate
>>340796772
I don't have a problem with level scaling as long as the ratio of power grow isn't 1:1 (so grinding does actually make the fight easier, but not so much). and / or you get new techniques and spells as you progress, which are the key for winning, not just brute force.
>>340796994
>Implying the boss wouldn't be a strong enemy who requires you to level up
I think you're missing the point.
>>340796443
>he never played RF4
It's the only game that I know of that lets you craft a pair of fists that can cover an entire screen with punches because of range-buffing items
>>340797286
>playing jrpg
>everything outside battles is as clunky and unpleasant and unintuitive as possible
why can't they ever just make them like normal action games?
>>340790625
This.
>>340796772
it depends. do all the bad guys, or just the new ones you are encountering?
If the starter routes level up instead of staying full of baby monsters, then yeah, it defeats the purpose.
If they are full of baby monsters, then it also allows for situations where things that were once considered bosses can become mini-bosses or even basic enemies, which is always kind of a fun experience, tangibly feeling how far you've come.
>Bullet Magnetism
>Autoaim
>Lunge
LET THY FURNACE BE FUELED, LET THEY ANGER BE SOUND, LET THEY FOES BE VANQUISHED AND ALL THINE ENDEAVORS BE A BLESSING ON TO THEE.
>>340797589
Bosses usually aren't (and shouldn't be) the only thing that matters in RPGs you know.
There are times other than bosses when you have to fight.
>>340780797
>different types of games shouldn't be made
all of those mechanics work flawlessly in multiple games. you're a true heretic holding back the industry and i hate you dick
>Level up
>You need to buy your skills to use them
There should be difficulty options in grinding games that dictate how much money/loot you receive in random battles. Easy would give you a shitload more money with which to buy the best equipment to level up faster with.
Infinite money was how I used to cheat in RPGs before online and cheevos were a thing. My time is fucking valuable (says the shitposter on /v/).
>>340795969
agreed.
>>340781978
>Hunger and sleep is important
I wonder if I'm the only one who ever played pic related who is currently on /v/.
To be fair, I'm doing this from memory, but...not only did you have to monitor your hunger level, you had a mental stat that could only be regained via a hard-as-fuck minigame. If either dropped to zero, you died.
That happened a lot, especially mental stat to zero because in order to sleep you HAD to retrace your steps back to your base from wherever you were. At least it has the best death music in the history of video games.
>>340797501
I think Deus Ex did it fantastically.
Don't level up, just spend xp on different skills. Base health and stats remain the same, but practical skills like hacking and lockpicking increase. I makes you're character more competent without making you feel like an overpowered god.
>>340790625
why do they do this?
>>340796482
I was a kid when I first played. You think i had v to tell me which games were good at the time?
The only game I've enjoyed like this is chrono trigger
If there is no weight restriction then there is no reason not to just fucking loot every single thing that isn't nailed down. What kind of games are you playing where this would add to your enjoyment?
>>340798060
don't most wrpgs do that? I miss when you were given the choice what you wanted to upgrade every level up.
>story dictates if you win or lose a fight
>story cutscene overtakes gameplay
>dialogue in the middle of a fight
>QTEs
>can't cross any body of water, even a river less than 2 feet wide
>have a million fire spells and more strength than Atlas, but you have to find a key to open a wooden door
>time limits
>>340781748
Get the fuck out of here you casual
DW1 is still a good game
>>340791308
I don't know which is worse: not letting you break down doors, or letting you break down doors but doing so is complete bullshit.
>Divinity: Original Sin
>Break down a door during the tutorial
>Can generally get through a few places doing this
>Except for the random doors that are at max level and have more resistances and HP than the final boss
It's a wooden door every time, too. I'd be more okay with this if we had several foot thick metal vault doors or magical barriers, but no, it must always be a rickety wooden door.
>>340798309
Fuck poop.
>>340798309
I literally finished gathering all the digimon for the city.
Someone explain to me how the fuck were we supposed to do anything in this game as kids.
This is A tier difficulty for a kid's game holy fuck.
>>340797887
I get that, and I still think you're missing the point. I'm referring to level scaling. as you get stronger, the same enemies level up with you. That means a pitiful grunt enemy will be able to stand toe-to-toe with your level sixty badass with a sword from hell and armor made out of titanium. It doesn't make sense and it makes levelling up pointless to begin with.
If you can't tell, I'm talking about Oblivion.
>>340798361
The whole Divinity series is Ideas: The Game. They come up with something cool then never implement it consistently because they were trying to add 20 other features.
>>340797605
>You have to grind your forging skill by forging useless shit to be able to make better weapons. Recipe breads also don't help that much if said item has a difficulty level at least 7 levels over your skill level.
>The things you craft never display the stats before you craft it.
Only problems I had with that. Even if I made weapons, armour, and all that other crap, grinding needs still needs to be done. Although then again I play like a hoarder and shop binger combined as I fucking surplus every single resource (it's a farming game as well anyways) so I probably should shut up. That usage of RP (the magic meter in this game) is fine with me actually, and the enchantment system is great.
>>340797840
Introducing new, stronger enemies is fine.
But don't tell me a sewer rat can wreck my level 30 knights shit because his attack power went up with mine.
>>340793841
Quoted again for truth.
I get that RNG gives the Skinner Box effect. The thing is, if you want goodwill made towards you as a dev, the idea isn't to extort fun out of people. If somebody does a difficult thing, just reward them for it. Don't say "maybe I will maybe I won't".
Most of all it needs to fuck off in competitive multiplayer games. It might be fun to get a crit on some guy in an ASSFAGGOTS or TF2 but it's anything but fun to get your ass whooped after trying your ass off because the other guy's a god at slot machines.
>>340798814
>Even if I made weapons, armour, and all that other crap, grinding needs still needs to be done.
Fuck it should have been like this:
Even if I made weapons, armour, and all that other crap for other townspeople, grinding still needs to be done
>>340798309
Mah nigga.
Currently replaying pic related on an emulator on my phone because why not.
>objective: follow this character while he talks
>>340798249
There are a few that go that route - Me2 and Witcher 3 come to mind. The other way is cool too, as long as the game doesn't just distribute your attribute points for you. I hate that shit.
>>340798309
but anon, I love digimon world as much as you
>>340781140
I know it's in a bunch of games but the main one I think of regarding it is the M&L series, it always annoyed me.
>>340795004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFfga8-3SZI
>not being able to run while reloading
>not being able to attack while being attacked
>stamina bar in turn-based games (looking atFinal Fantasy VI)
>extremely difficult games that take years to load after you die (Dark Souls)
>people almost universally against RNG in games
>only trolls, contrarians and autistic apologists who have to defend it because it's in a game they like ever defend it
>devs will never stop using it
They hate us.
>>340797934
Name one game that has had "Hunger" as a mechanic and it not been tedious bullshit.
>>340798361
Yeah I wish developers would stop doing that. If it's a wooden door, you should be able to break it down in some way, unless you're a completely unarmed prisoner or something.
>>340795678
I understand your point but I like to think strategy in a real setting also has to do with unexpectation and improvisation when things aren't doing well
>>340789670
This is usually false. Real time based gameplay typically allows for for more tactical freedom in practice, there are no turn based vidya with the depth of the best real time ones, even though in theory this shouldn't be the case. Most of the time, turn based is just an excuse for lazy people who don't comprehend the tactical depth and possibilities real time games offer, but will constantly deny this by bringing up non-vidya like Chess.
>long cutscene after failing a mission when obviously youre just going to reload anyway once it ends
Critical strikes
>>340780797
>max level is reached before you have enough upgrade/skill points to fully upgrade every skill
>>340799243
Also,
>Level up
>Game increases your stats for you
Fuck off, game. I earned those attribute points and I'll put them wherever the hell I want.
>>340799243
>ME2
Is it me, or am I the only one here who was bugged that they couldn't reallocate skill points for squadmates? And that's another thing, is being able to reallocate stats or skills anytime in the game, a good thing or not? If it's a good thing, should the game require the player to find a special location or use up currency or resources to be able to do it?
>>340784224
black desert
>>340799320
Because the reality is that RNG feels good to the monkey brain.
>>340799607
>"There's no way you're taking Kairi's heart!"
>>340799686
Holy shit, you're kidding right?
Dodged a fucking bullet there
>>340793841
no. I like rng enemy patterns and rng level generation.
>>340786237
Honestly if they ever make a good oneoutside of Awesomenauts, Dawngate, and the first Monday Night CombatI'll eat a fucking hat.
>>340793739
>In an open sandbox though? Horrible, horrible idea, and should really stop.
If there is no inventory restriction, there is no reason to not just take everything. If you're going to just take everything, you might as well do it automatically. If you're just taking everything automatically to turn into vendor trash, you might as well just convert it all into a gold. Hence, there are no more items to loot except what you can buy.
That sounds like a boring game.
Restrictions are there for a reason. They add the dynamics to the game. Otherwise you're just reducing everything to a numbers game.
>>340799670
I'm split on it. It'd be a shitter to leave a player with a bung build just because they haven't played the game before and aren't too sure where to put their points, but it'd also toss multiple playthroughs into the trash as well.
I say include it but make it a costly experience.
>>340799915
>Dawngate
It will never stop hurting, will it?
>>340780797
What terrible fucking opinions. Jesus Christ.
>minimalist UI design used in games that don't fit or warrant it
>"Press X to Kill" instant takedowns
>"Defend me while I hack this computer/open this door/plant this C4!" sections
>the inability to holster your weapon
>dialogue "choices" where you have multiple questions to choose from and the game only moves forward after you ask all of them
>games that feature out-of-place weapons just because they're the hot new meme (e.g. crossbow)
>QTEs you can't lose
>games with sloped, rocky terrain that makes it impossible to discern what is and is not climbable from a distance
>contextual jumping/climbing that requires you to be in a very specific place as opposed to a dedicated jump/climb button that you can press anytime
>stealth games that don't let you drag bodies
>open world games with linear, scripted missions that completely defeat the point of it being open world (e.g. GTA)
>sniper scope views that either black out the area outside the scope or zoom in on it as well
>multiple endings that you get to choose from at the very end instead of being based on your choices and actions throughout the entire game
>>340799187
Playing the worse Digimon World game, That's sad
>>340784224
You can technically count Pokémon since IVs and natures are randomly generated, albeit sort of controllable
>>340780797
Sounds like someone can't stand Bethesda
>>340800304
>games that feature out-of-place weapons just because they're the hot new meme (e.g. crossbow)
what games are using crossbow?
itt a bunch of retards who think of one implementation of a feature they don't like and think it's the end all and be all of the potential of that feature
>>340800304
>escort mission
>they run slightly faster then your max speed
>they move slightly under minimum walking speed
>>340780797
>NG+
>Minimap
>HUD
>>340800703
Ass Creed and Skyrim are noteworthy.
>>340800304
>creating bodies in a stealth game
You're the problem.
>>340800894
>New game plus
What could possibly be bad about this?
>>340794790
> Try WoW
> Probably about level 20-30
> Hey look at this place, seems like a town and a flight waypoint, maybe I should go there.
> Enemies same level as me by entrance.
> Approach, die in two attacks. Also they have several hundred thousand HP on closer inspection.
> Die 4-5 times running a half-marathon back to the town and trying to blink and run as the normal-looking enemy guards 1-2 shot me again as I run.
Like, I get the whole alliance/horde thing, but when you name a town something like "Stonetalon" or "Ironpaw" or some shit that literally gives me no clue what faction it belongs to, especially before it's too late. I got in the habit of making absolutely fucking sure the town is alliance-owned but jesus, what a nice welcome. Sorry I entered the Area 51 no-fly zone on a non-PVP server I guess.
>>340800703
http://www.giantbomb.com/crossbow/3055-107/games/
>>340801005
F*ck you, sometimes it's necessary.
>>340780797
>inventory restrictions of any kind
PMD and dungeon crawlers need it, forces you to prioritize what loot you grab as opposed to taking everything that isn't nailed down and running. Hell, in any elder scrolls game I could get enough money to do whatever I want in under an hour if that restriction was absent.
>>340801005
>Ass Creed and Skyrim are noteworthy.
Are you trolling right now?
Weapon rng
@csgo
Dying and continuing does not restore your items when you return to the checkpoint
>>340787218
Can't think of a single game where you can only walk or sprint and nothing in between
>>340801358
Diablo 2
>>340801275
Both games made the availability of crossbows a highly publicized feature. Dawnguard was marketed more on the crossbows than the fucking vampires it was centered around.
>The Boss can regenerate, and has 3 phases
>>340801358
Mass Effect 2 and 3 only had walking and sprinting. Mass Effect 1 had walking, sprinting (only in combat though) and crouch walking.
>Battlefield lock on combat
People like to cite a lot of problems with modern battlefield, but this shit just makes vehicles boring as hell.
>>340801595
git gud
>>340801595
>Said phases include melting it and then boiling it.
>any kind of aim assistance
The fact that I have to specify multiple types of this shows how fucking bad things have gotten.
>>340781140
>>340781140
XCOM lets you enable this feature to make the game harder. I for one like it. You can plan all you want in life, but shit happens differently. Shouldnt be 100% predictabo. Fuck Min/Max fags anyway.
>>340780797
5 minutes is what we have to fight before this planet blows sky high Kakarot.
>>340800303
No. :(
If only for Marah. That bitch was a golden goddess both gameplay-wise and lore-wise. Also, it's literally the only ASSFAGGOTS I've ever played that had an outright friendly community, god forbid even a tolerable one.
>>340801030
I bought a game, and I want to enjoy it to the fullest (Hardest Difficulty, Rarest loot, Easter eggs, Bonus points, etc) Why do I have to finish the game to get the full experience?
Also, this is the most lazy and disgusting way to add 'muh replay value'
Contextual melee weapons
Contextual cover
Contextual climbing
Contextual anything
>>340788272
>You eventually play as that rival in a newgame+ mode
>you STILL can't do all his amazing
Looking at you KH:CoM, Castlevania:PoR, and literally any Megaman BN.
>>340799276
I have almost zero respect for EC's opinions on anything.They literally said that LoL has a good pay model, and that's only one of their sins against everyone with half a brain.
>>340797867
Lunge makes melee weapons viable when surrounded by firearms. Without it, stealth would be the only way to get any kills. And given you're talking about halo, thats a no go.
>>340788101
but this exists IRL, anon.
Anything without rifling has at least some random variance in fire.
>>340801776
5 minutes should be plenty!
>>340799670
>Is it me, or am I the only one here who was bugged that they couldn't reallocate skill points for squadmates?
You could do that if you completed Lair of the Shadow Broker.
>>340789563
>there are no video games with recoil
lolwut m8?
>>340801589
Crossbows were a highly requested feature even before Skyrim came out. It made sense to advertise it.
>>340802230
link me the music.
>>340780797
Having one button that does completely different actions based on context
Stamina meters
>>340780797
>>inventory restictions of any kind - weight, size etc
this is necessary sometimes in order not to break the game and to avoid turning you in the king of the world while breaking the game's economy
the rest i can quite agree
and add "roguelite" and "roguelike" to the bin of cancerous shit you should avoid like the fucking plague.
those two terms along with random generated levels are just a more pompous way to say "yeah, we didn't waste time properly programing this game so enjoy the gameplay and the graphics because we don't care about anything else"
Items that disappear after a certain amount of time after they're dropped, especially if you're still trying to move your inventory around and/or while you're still fighting enemies.
Gold that doesn't auto pickup when you run over it.
Bonus: The choose the storefront till there aren't anymore captcha that never works right and doesn't allow you to post after making you click 30 times.
>>340801772
>that image
>>340802042
>sisters mode
Fuck you, Iga.
>>340802406
What, Security Hall's?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbAhyOWRCqw
>>340781983
This, holy shit. I hope the turn based meme will end soon
>>340792440
>SRPGs
>AI throws fodder at you intentionally in an attempt to soften you up, and always have some form of better unit spawning than you do (if applicable)
>90% of the time they set up to kill off some of your units if you don't handle them before they can act on their next turn
>virtually always poorly balanced and always seems to favor the AI if there is any form of RNG involved
>only real "challenge" comes when you have a map where your units are separated from each other far enough for the enemy to flank them from all sides, with tons of ranged attackers with larger range than what you currently have
>"durr i thought 5 moves ahead i r chess master"
fixed that for you
>/v/ hates RNG
Wow, I knew most of you were plebs, but come on now. Think about it. RNG is necessary especially in multiplayer or mmorpg games, because otherwise the players will run out of content too soon. It keeps the costumers busy while they're trying to enchant their gear to +12 and failing repeteadly. Just imagine having to run a dungeon 100 times to be completely sure you get all the mats to craft your end-game gear. Wouldn't it be better if you had a 1% chance of getting all the mats you need in a single run. with only 99% of getting nothing?
Casuals, you don't know how the videogame industry works.
>>340780797
>Only 1 save point in the game
>>340798309
>play as a child
>spam those shit into the training area
>spam attack
>talk to someshit
>suddenly new area
>they are wrecking me
I will need to pick it sonner or later but as i child i had no idea of what to do.
(being ESL didn't helped either)
>>340790280
you could make a fast-paced turn-based system.
just stick really short timers on your move selection, and if you haven't selected you forfeit your turn.
Like hearthstone's fuse, but it can pause when you exit to console homescreen, and is maybe 3 seconds max.
>>340790389
They were trying to be shadow of the colossus I think.
>>340803297
What are the average stats supposed to be there?
>>340790389
But Skyward Sword also used stamina in fighting with spin attacks.
>>340802739
I didn't like Rouge much but damn her music was fine.
>>340803225
Oh I know perfectly well that making Skinner Boxes makes money.
I'm just not living embodiment of AIDS.
>>340793592
>never needed a rathalos mantle
>or talisman hunted
did you do the ZeroPunctuation thing where you quit before so much as facing a great jaggi?
>>340781708
I kinda enjoyed that in borderlands 2, it added to the game imo but for most games i agree
>>340800004
or you stop letting players dump items into vendors.
Alternately, since the whole reason for selling to vendors is turning loot you don't want into loot you do, you do the mon-hun thing where things you pick up aren't typically items for direct use but things to craft items, however you want.
So those 5 sharp rocks and 12 sticks can be set of arrows, or throwing hammers, or one really big club.
>>340800004
>there is no reason to not just take everything
even with inventory systems I do this anyways.
It just requires multiple trips to strip of all valuables.
So, waste less of my time by letting me carry them all at once? I see no problem with that. At worst, it brings the casuals who don't eventually collect all available loot up to my success level, and frankly I'm not petty enough to really care, them getting an extra little bit of pocket money is worth my time a little less wasted.
>Aim assist in fps
some is ok but it's getting silly
>>340800304
>QTEs you can't lose
the one in prototype 2's tutorial/intro is hilarious.
the monster just gets slower and slower until it eventually just sits there waiting for you to "dodge in the nick of time"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzedJZzmAMc
>>340800304
>contextual jumping/climbing that requires you to be in a very specific place as opposed to a dedicated jump/climb button that you can press anytime
what about windwaker's stuff, where its not specific, it's just like, any ledge.
I've always disliked turret sections in video games. One of the main things that makes a game fun to me is momentum and fast pacing, so turret sections are just the absolute worst to me.
there's no such thing
any mechanic can be good or bad depending on implementation and how it's used in the game
shit thread
>>340800419
>worst digimon world
>not autistically grinding the dna digivolve system for the perfect digimon.
Fucking pleb
>>340805613
Except for turret sections.
>>340802138
its phenomenally successful, and less evil than a significant portion of the F2P market.
They're no saints, by any means, but like... they could be a whole lot worse than saying "if you want all heroes instead of just earning them as you play you can but them, also cosmetics"
Like, basically that's the same model as TF2's store with some minor shakeups.
>>340802629
>not using the legacy captcha
>>340780797
Regenerating health.
Equipment degradation any kind, it's either a pointless and trivial minor resource sink (Dark Souls) or a constant annoyance that needs to be dealt with at all times (Nioh, Fallout 3)
The way leveling works in TES is garbage too.
>>340802169
GET FUCKING GOOD YOU PUSSY.
>>340804120
Grinding isn't required in MonHan, this of course makes things much harder than normal, but it's true. The same applies to Borderlands.
I like all of those depending on the game.
I think you're better off with iPhone games.
>>340781140
This is horrible cancer however.
>>340789161
You get more time to think through all your possible actions. In a real time game you have to choose quickly so to improve you have to fail over and over first.
>>340781983
I knew this post would ruslte some nostalgiafag jimmies.
Well done.
>>340780797
2% drops
literally just make the enemy ridiculously hard to kill and drop 100% of the time instead.
I never understood the point of resting mechanic in Infinity engine games. Just refresh my health and spells after encounter is done, for shits sake
>>340806816
So you went G-Rank in your starter leathers? Wow, you really are hardcore, anon.
>>340782558
Go back to high school with the rest of the faggots who hate turn based combat. You have to be 18 to post here anyway.
>Hard AI is just normal AI with more health/more resources/faster
>>340796612
One thing I like about thief is if you don't spend your money you earned from the last level it all disappears and the items you buy don;t carry over to the next level so there's basically no reason not to spend and buy and consume as much as you can in the moment.
ITT: things which can be good if done well and bad if done badly
>>340784298
They tell you the weight of items before you pick them up retard
Only time I absolutely hated leaving things up to RNG was in SMT games.
Holy fuck how could anyone pretend the way fusing worked before IV was better.
It is literally the same shit except I have to go back and forth between menus for 30 minutes until I get the skillset I wanted and then call for the sweet embrace of death because I accidentally misclicked and cancelled the fusion.
Twice.
>>340806816
>grinding isn't required in monhun
ummm lol?
>>340806816
dude, its a game where you literally can't craft a single item other than single-use items without fighting the same monster over and over for their parts, which is literally the definition of grinding. It's a game constructed directly out of grinding, but making it still enjoyable through top tier gameplay. The story/campaign is only there to introduce you to new monsters to grind, and teach you to fight better.
What even are you talking about? Have you even seen gameplay?
>>340780797
>>inventory restictions of any kind - weight, size etc
>Fuck off and let me carry as much shit as I want
How to trivialize any survival horror game, by anon. Inventory restrictions are fine, learn to manage your resources you faggot.
>>340797286
1. your second point is literally the opposite of OPs hunger complaint. Clearly the problem is you are playing games that need them without them, and games with them that don't need them, respectively, not that they never need exist or should be everywhere.
2. Sounds like ARK would be your perfect game. Though I'm not entirely sure if it has the leg thing, I've never stopped to think about it, I've been too busy looking at the dinosaurs.
>>340807192
but then you could skill hard enough that we couldn't waste your time for hours, and we measure our success by playtime.
>>340796772
It depends on how its done. Final Fantasy 8 had level scaling but a gizzard or bug would be easy at any level, with T-Rexaurs being pretty tough as well. The Last Remnant didn't have you leveling at all, but you would still be at an advantage because you got stat boosts and extra skills.
>>340807349
>>340807865
>>340807969
You realize that not grinding doesn't mean skip all the things, right?
You would still have gear and if you lucked out on one of your many fights with the same monster across the multitude of quests it shows up in to get its rare item then potentially decent gear.
That said, people have beaten MonHan naked. I'm not even trying to be condescending about it (I wasn't that first guy who LOL'd) I'm just saying.
The fact that it is doable means the grind isn't required by definition. I don't even think I could do it in the first place, but I acknowledge it regardless.
>>340798026
>I wonder if I'm the only one who ever played pic related who is currently on /v/.
There was a demo, but it didn't have any actual game play. Never saw it on store shelves as kid either. It is like they printed five copies and called it a day.
>>340780797
>any weight based inventory system
Can only add menu management drudgery.
>weapon/armor durability
Same as above.
>any health system where you can function perfectly fine at 1% health
HP based systems are one of the laziest abstractions in video games.
>color coded morality systems
These were always intended for retards.
>vertical gear scaling
All it does is introduce power creep.
>>340782558
That's the point of this thread isn't it?
>>340808185
What about Silent Hill?
>FPS
>there's a dedicated jump button
>you jump 1 foot in the air and it's literally only useful in designated jumping sections
This is the worst. Contextual jumps are infinitely better than this shit.
>>340782676
Fucking hate this the most so fucking much.
>>340780797
>being forced to run everywhere you go just because some shitting faggot doesn't want to hit an extra button while he walks to move faster
>What do you mean I can't look up exactly where to walk on GameFAQs? Random generation sucks! I don't want to listen to NPC dialogue I just want to kill things.
>>340803305
What in the absolute fuck is going on in this image.
I can tell it's a battle of some sort, but why are the enemy and the one old guy the only ones that have the same art style?
>>340798309
>>340781748
>he's so mad that his game was described negatively in terms of exactly matching what was described as bad game mechanics, even though Digimon fans shit on another series daily
>Game starts out with enemy AI so stupid that they couldn't catch water in a rain storm.
>30% in the game. Enemy AI is borderline omniscient and Neos your ass.
capturing towers,camps, radio masts or any kind of outpost to clear the map of enemies or to gain access to new areas.
>>340789161
Play Jagged Alliance 2 and you will understand
>>340786424
Working hard trying to get the components to create a legendary weapon. Only to find out its crap
>>340809763
The game lets you import custom portraits for the generic characters you can create.
>>340791632
>>340795083
>there are people who unironically sidehopped in Zelda
It's not even very long before you get your horse. Literally what are you doing in the field that takes so much time to get anywhere?
>>340810265
Good to know. But man you could've told me it was some garbage game that had loads of stolen assets and I would've believed you.
>>340789161
Turn based combat is the only system that gives you full control over multiple characters at the same "time." Anything real time either requires that guys are sitting around doing nothing while you're not using them or relies on shitty partner AI.
>>340810539
Sorry dude, I have a terrible case of honesty.
It's horrible for a place like this.
>>340808758
Nearly all games can be beaten "without grinding" by that definition. Only things with level-based instant-gibs or unavoidable attacks that do more than that of an un-leveled character would count.
>>340808421
darn man, might actually have to design a game that isn't exclusively a waste of time
>>340810472
If i sidehop/roll to hyrule castle from Kokiri Forest, night won't come before i get there.
>>340808758
>You would still have gear
how nigga? there are no armor sets or weapons craftable by beating a monster only once.
they all require facing them multiple times=, even with best of rngs.
>>340811150
holy fuck virtual on was a 10/10 arcade game
>>340811103
>Nearly all games can be beaten "without grinding" by that definition.
This is true, they can.
You see what I'm saying then.
>>340811229
You end up fight the same monsters across multiple quests (as in different quests that feature the same monster), I literally stated this in my post. Also, you can outright buy gear. It's not great gear, but still.
>>340811154
Neither will it you run nonstop.
>>340807192
>tfw 0.00012% drop rate
>>340811303
I know, and I can finish it in 4 minutes on my PC, but I still play it to this very day on occasion cause of how tight the god damn controls are.
>>340811930
but i could be there faster if i rolled, and besides you can't warp or use a horse for awhile.
>>340812038
You actually don't get there any faster if you roll because the game compensates for rolls by making you pause briefly when you stop rolling. It's all in your head, anon.
>and besides you can't warp or use a horse for awhile.
>awhile
How shit are you that it takes "awhile" to get your horse?
>Stealth game that gives the player so many overpowered abilities you might as well be noclipping through the level.
It's like playing a survival horror game with ammo and checkpoints all over the place.
>When all the best items in game you have to cobble together yourself at some work-bench, instead of wrenching it from between the teeth of an enraged dragon.
Crafting systems are dull, arbitrary checklists and shoved into everything these days. Just itemize your levels properly and put some good shit back in the merchant window.
>>340812242
Maybe if you mash A rolling isn't faster.
>How shit are you that it takes "awhile" to get your horse?
You sure as shit can't get the horse as child Link.
>>340811525
okay, so you'd possibly have armor or weapons for any monster that shows up in multiple quests. by the end, you might have a full armor set of like, low-rank seltas or velocidrome armor. Probably ore weapons, maybe some like, mid-tier insecticutters. It would still require korean level of skill.
Are you including optional sidequests and dlc stuff? because if so then it becomes somewhat easier to complete armor pieces, because there's more repeats. I doubt you'd ever get any skills to +10 though, unless you just got really lucky with both who was dlc and what they dropped. It really is a game where missions are meant to be replayed, like Hitman.
>>340811525
Okay sure, but that's very obviously not what he's talking about. You're quibbling over semantics instead of refuting his intended point.
>>340813091
You could optional/dlc stuff if you wanted to.
Doing them wouldn't constitute as grinding, you're just completing more of the content. Also grinding doesn't mean repeating something a couple times, it means it's so repetitive it's a fuckin' grind. That it's tedious. The usage of the term gets so diluted now it's ridiculous.
In any case, I wasn't arguing his intended point in the first place. Like I said in my explanation, I was just saying. I framed my argument that it was semantics from the start, and I even pointed out that it would be very difficult to actually try and do it in the first place.
>>340781140
Oh god that triggers me so fucking hard
>>340781140
but if it's not randomly generated, then they can be looked up, and when I replay them, I already know what's coming so it can't surprise me.
Random generation definitely has its place.
>>inventory restictions of any kind - weight, size etc
This is horse shit. They should have SIZE and WEIGHT limits. When one reaches the limit, you can't pick any more up. That way there is variety. Is the stuff to heavy, or is it too big?
>>340803546
That's a typical Saul there, senpai
>>340782323
Holy shit that projection
>>340787289
This shit is why I love the bunny hood in MM. Losing an inventory slot is worth not having to spam A while hearing link scream everywhere.
quick travel
>>340781983
Turn based games I enjoy are shit like;
>XCOM
>Banner Saga
>Civ 5
>Hearthstone
>Disgaea
But for some reason I can't stand JRPGs. Even Pokemon gets too boring. The only one I've actually beaten is Bravely Default and that was a push, I tried persona 4 and FFX but I just can't do it guys. Why are they so grindy? Why is it just so much of the same tedious combat?
>>340791234
>The satisfaction of having Ryoma destroy the enemy team all in the enemy phase
It's so fucking great
>>340796612
Along the same lines
>Can't buy Ethers, and if you can, they're expensive as hell
>Elixirs are even worse
God fucking dammit
Being able to go somewhere after the NPCs constantly warn you that you never should have went there
nobody's mentioned this retarded shit yet?
Why does this even exist? I can fucking see when i hit or miss, I don't need some obnoxious rectangles take up space in the middle of the screen every time i hit something.
>>340781448
Witcher senses. Fuck that shit.
>Sticking to cover mechanics
>QTEs
>>340817474
Like Skyrim?
>>340818549
NEVER SHOULD HAVE COME HERE
>>340795048
link?
>>340785716
I did like how karma gave me a reason not to steal every item I can carry
>>340787662
some games are fun because you are trying to manage rng and taking risks
>>340787662
>any game based around rolling is bad
>baldur's gate is bad
>kotor is bad
>morrowind is bad
>torment is bad
>any JRPG with the ability to miss is bad
>>340780797
I swear if I ever make a game I'm putting everything written here on it
>>340782287
item management in RE4 was awesome and cleverly designed.
>QTEs
>aim assist
>stun or freeze mechanics in pvp games
>RNG everything
>aim down sights
>unskippable cutscene>sliding tile puzzles
>>340801068
You're a retard.
>>340817591
its impossible to tell if you hit someone through a wall or with a projectile, or if you simply turn away after firing non-hitscan,
also its not a rectangle.
>>340821185
>its impossible to tell if you hit someone through a wall or with a projectile, or if you simply turn away after firing non-hitscan,
is that a bad thing?
>also its not a rectangle.
look at the picture again, he said rectangles, plural
>>340781581
That's the main point, its the context that makes those mechanics shitty.
>>340784298
>Sandbox game? It's an RPG you dumbass.
>Punishes you for picking things up WHICH YOU CAN JUST DROP
>Doesn't tell you before hand even though doing so still has no impact on something you can DROP.
Kill yourself.
>>340782676
Only game I saw do this really well was Muramasa: The Demon Blade, where blade durability was both your guard bar and your special skill meter and a broken blade was just a damage penalty that would mend itself over time when not equipped.
though that was also helped by having 3 swords equipped at a time and cycling through them freely mid combo and such.
>>340781140
The Dead Rising series did it well if only because you'll always have the same stats at level 50 and you can NG+ at any time but still.
>Weapon degradation.
>>340799827
>I like bad enemy and level design
>>340781983
> Hating on Pokemon and Final Fantasy among others
No. Leave them alone.
>>340820071
Please do not. Or if you do, name it clearly like "Casual /V/ the game."
>fov below 120
>>340817005
dude, grow leppa berries. they're cheap as heck, in kalos you're growing them in your backpack, and in ORAS you can stick them on nearly every route.
In fact, why are you using bought medicine when berries are so much better period?
>>340781448
what about mirror's edge runner's vision? Is that acceptable?
>>340819605
better than a carry weight in my book.
>>340824602
yeah ok
ITT console gamers complain about things you can usually remove on the PC version of the game
Also do games really have to pander to your very specific, lazy desires? Just playing the fucking game and shut up, or get it on PC and do something about it.
If a DMC 3 Remaster comes out and if they don't change the Styles mechanic to that of DMC 4's I'm totally going to go to Osaka myself and empty the Capcom building with my bare fucking hands.
"D Pad is for files and info!" Keep that fucking shit in the fucking menu screen. You know how close I was to fucking dying of brain hemorrhaging and aneurysms out of pure fucking rage all because THAT KILLED MY FLOW IN BATTLE?
Fucking Fuck
>>340826196
>he doesn't hold his head back while shooting to get a better view
git gud
>>340826196
Humans actually have a combined FOV or 114 degrees so 120 isn't too ridiculous.
>>340800468
not really, the stats you gain on level up aren't random, they're pre-determined, and EVs are a thing too. if you can go out of your way to build a thing with the stats you want, how can you "technically" call it random?
>>340826489
>DidntReadASinglePost.(you)
>>340826924
they are random, you can just add onto the random values to lean its stats whatever direction you wanted it to be.
>>340824496
I mean it in the way that it has multiple tipes of inventory limit, scaling os slowing down, cold/hot stats, getting into a river makes the cold one rise faster, black cothes makes the hot one rise slower, shit like that, equipment stats difference being minimal, focusing more on stat distribution when leveling up, skill trees in the way that a mage can't lear to create a fucking firestorm without knowing how to create a simple fireballand housing because thats my fetish
>>340795969
Man, I just wanted to play some yugioh, why the hell is there a stealth section.
>>340827332
>black cothes makes the hot one rise slower
fuck I mean faster
>>340798309
>mfw the first time I got an ultimate and it wasn't from taking Numemon to the teddy bear in the factory
I'll miss you, MetalMamemon, you were a cool nigga
>>340784226
The weight things on SA was gr8. Hope they do something like that for GTA6.
>>340827332
you are describing ARK, no?
>>340826514
You can mod DMC3 to have DMC4's on the fly style switching.
>>340825650
I'm not talking about Pokemon
>game hypes best character
>kills them right away
Those fights in Mario and Luigi where you have a real time time limit to finish a turn based fight.
>>340781140
seriously who the fuck thought this was a good idea, HOW DO YOU IMPROVE RANDOMLY AT ANYTHING?!
>scripted event where all characters walk as slow as possible
>save points
lemme save whenever pls
>dlc
add in extra content to the game you greedy fucks
>>340828681
what other game calls them ethers and elixirs, and elixirs are nearly impossible to get in?
>>340787289
>Backsliding as Alucard in SotN like a fucking boss
>>340829632
all of them; that's where Pokemon inherited the trope from.
>>340797314
health+armor > ammo
I will gladly burn up all of my special snowflake ammo if it means I can kill weak enemies before they can even react. Furthermore it's nice walking around with a big gun and knowing that even if you get caught by surprise you're 2 clicks away from safety at the most.
>>340780797
>Stealth sections in non-stealth games
>Racing section in non-racing games
It's not that they're necessarily a bad idea, it's that they'll always have fucking shit mechanics because they're such a small part
>>340795871
>Can't top-off a mag by reloading with a round still chambered.
>>340830486
CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
>instant transmission is a skill that requires time to concentrate on a focused point of energy
>even after frieza saga when literally everyone has PL in the MILLIONS
>>340830486
the stealth in metroid fusion was some of the least annoying I've ever dealt with, with that in zero mission not terribly far behind.
but yeah, most implimentations are awful.
>>340780797
AUCTION HOUSES. Auction houses are absolutely the worst in every MMO I've ever played. They drive down the drop rate of stuff you actually want while encouraging bots and gold sells to control the market. Just let people trade directly with each other without having an automated trading hub, and suddenly everything works better. Gasp! how did that happen?
>>340831334
Maplestory is literally the exact reason why auction houses are needed.
>sit in FM with 8000 other people spamming to get your message seen
>or pay $5 to get a shop so you can just AFK and pray someone sees your shit
>>340831431
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>>340831082
Epic man, that was epic for the win
>>340780797
>>340781140
>>340781448
>>340781631
>>340781789
>>340781983
>>340782268
>>340782676
>>340783149
This is as far as I bothered to read.
I want the cancer to kill themselves.
>>340831334
Fuck off, having to spam your shit in trade channel/town and having to see others spam their shit is the worst, and you still get undercutting retards especially because it's so mind-numbingly boring
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