ITT: game mechanics that are universally shitty and should fuck off forever
I'll start
>inventory restictions of any kind - weight, size etc
Fuck off and let me carry as much shit as I want
>hunger/sleep
Just no
>walking in a non-stealth game
Why
>random generation
Fuck off and design your levels properly
>randomly generated level up stats
>>340780797
>restricting quests based on level
>special vision that reveals hidden items
>>340780797
>ITT: i hate this therefore it shouldn't exist
All of those depend on the genre, the style of the game , and how well they are made.
>>340780797
>stealth segments in anything but stealth games
RNG gear drops
>>340780797
you described digimon world 1 perfectly
>>340780797
These mechanics are just fine as long as they are properly implemented in a context that makes sense relative to the game they're in.
Open world
There is no such thing. It's a meme for sandboxed areas of fucking nothing
>game mechanics that are sometimes executed in a less than perfect way
>>inventory restrictions of any kind
stopped reading right there
fucking killyourself
>>340780797
Resident Evil 4 would have been a worse game without the item management.
Hunger and sleep is important in survival games, but can easily be done poorly like in Minecraft
Depends on the context, forced walking cut scenes for example, while something like Vergil's focus in DMC4SE is a neat mechanic.
Spelunky wouldn't have been nearly as fantastic without the randomly generated levels
OP just has shit taste
Turn based anything. Like holy shit, it's 2016.
>>340781140
FUCKING THIS
OP is a complete fucking faggot, games with no restrictions are boring as shit. Go back to minecraft creative mode
>>340781983
LEAVE Etrian Odyssey ALONE REEEE
>>340781983
Here's a suitable pic for that post.
Player classes
why would you be angry at walking
if you don't like walking just don't do it
there's no reason to be upset that it's there
>>340781978
>Resident Evil 4 would have been a worse game without the item management.
You actually liked the suitcase tetris?
>Hunger and sleep is important in survival games, but can easily be done poorly like in Minecraft
Survival games as a whole are cancer
>Spelunky wouldn't have been nearly as fantastic without the randomly generated levels
Rogulites are even bigger cancer
>>340781983
Turn based is fine. You just have no attention span because your life revolves around constant facebook and twitter updates
>>340782268
Holy shit, this.
>>340781983
Turn based is still ok as long as you don't take damage trying to flee.
>>340782287
> EHHHH HAHA AA HE LIKES SOMETHING I DONT WAAAAA
>>340782287
It's not about enjoying the maneuvering of items in your inventory, it's about understanding that a game where you can have everything and have to make no choices about what you take with you vs what you don't leads to a lack of tension and I'd less enjoyable
>weapon durability
The only series I've seen where this was a meaningful mechanic was Fire Emblem to make special weapons/items/tomes require some resource management.
Almost every other game you're out in the middle of the woods bashing goblins then the game gives you a chore to blow some gold on repairs.
>>340782287
>i should be able carry all the guns and unlimited ammo / hp restoration in a horror game
You're the reason RE went to shit
>>340782287
So you just have extremely shit taste, okay.
Magic asscreed vision.
>reach gear limit
>character is able to sprint around all over the place and walk at normal pace
>get 0.00001 points over the limit
>character is reduced to walking very slowly
>>340782676
It's shit in FE too.
Breakable weapons has never been fun in any game ever.
It makes even less sense for special weapons.
>this is the greatest sword ever, forged from god's penis
>breaks like a piece of shit
Ye ok.
>>340780797
>being this bad at video games
>>340780797
>Turn based rpg
>>340780797
Random drops from a random extra part of the mission that randomly happens even if you do everything required for it perfectly. Fuck you Dimps.
>>340780797open world
>>340782268
>sniper classes in multiplayer FPS
>game based around capturing objectives and close/mid range combat
>one class exist just to stand on the other side of the map and farm frags while completely ignoring the objective
what is the point
>>340781140
this
its literally retarded that games do this
Just casualize the fuck outta all the games faggots.
>everything is arbitrary and I shouldn't have to
kill yourselves
>>340783149
It's better than gimping yourself by having everything you pick up slow you down slightly.
>OP confirmed for retard
Keep your opinions to yourself next time. Nothing of that was universally shitty.
>>340780797
>hunger/sleep
That shits fine as long as you're allowed to opt in or out of it.
>>340781983
THIS POST IS LITERALLY NEO-/v/
I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A THING TILL NOW HOLY SHIT OFF YOUR SELF
>>340783693
>I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A THING TILL NOW HOLY SHIT OFF YOUR SELF
where have you been?
its been pretty bad for the past 7 years
>>340783509
i think the way you described is better, atleast it works in dragons dogma
>>340783456
Fucking DOOM's multiplayer.
>>340781140
What games do this nowadays?
>>340780797
>inventory restictions of any kind - weight, size etc
Resident Evil 4 inventory system is GOAT though. Admittedly certain RPGs do this really good as well, it's just shit games like Earthbound that fuck it up
>hunger/sleep
Depends on the game, obviously works for sim games and (again) RPGs when you need to recover. Side note, eating in San Andreas is really not that bad since your character will probably never get hungry if you're saving regularly
>walking in a non-stealth game
What's the problem here? Walking is pretty essential for transitioning from a stationary position to a run. It'll look retarded without it, and running usually lowers precision (see Dark Souls).
>random generation
Depends what you mean by this, if you mean RNG loot systems then that is indeed awful
>>340781983
this is 4chan not reddit
>Inventory weight- Carrying too much slows you down
No. This is a mechanic which DIRECTLY counters the entire genre of a sandbox game. Why make so many items and punish the player for picking up the 'wrong' ones without letting them know beforehand?
Immediately uninstalled Fallout 3 because of this garbage. A shitty mechanic that does nothing for the player, game or world building.
>>340783456
in tf2 is a casual filter.
>>340784402
more like a casual magnet
>3-5 people in your team are either snipers or spies
>>340784224
Fire emblem has been doing it since the beginning
Crafting
Leveling/Stats
>>340781374
fucking elsword did this, was especially annoying when you hit level 50 and beyond, jezus fuck even warframe isnt that grindy
>>340784529
But thats good for those who plays as a heavy of soldier. Nothing more satisfying than killing hordes of snipers as a soldier or demoman
>>340781789
Here's your 'you'
Enemy level-scaling
Why even bother having a leveling system?
>>340783509
Absolutely.
>>340782287
>he doesn't like inventory tetris
Is this the biggest faggot on /v/ right now?
this thread (at least the OP) is the truth
>RPG
>if you don't make a godtier build other players will radically anal rupture you
>>340783149
In Oblivion, you couldn't move at all while overencumbered.
>>340785516
Pokemon, right?
>>340781448
The mapper in Ratchet and clank kinda does that, but it's okay because you have to find it and it only reveals optional stuff like gold blots
>>340780797
Morality systems like karma in fallout and the paragon/renegade system in mass effect. Turns everything into a binary good/bad decision and removes any ambiguity.
>>340780797
>Two weapon carry limit in anything but a hardcore tactical shooter like SWAT 4.
>A pistol counts toward that limit
>>340783149
Or better yet, a certain item in your inventory gets you overencumbered.
Take it out of your inventory and hold it in your hands, run freely.
Monster spawners/generators are good indicators of a poor game. In and of itself it is usually poor design and shows a lack of thought process on enemy placement, level design, and general play flow.
> it has the word "craft" and/or involves zombies
>rubber banding ai
>>340785703
>Pokemon, right?
every fucking MMO has this.
>weapons and other items are never worth buying from shops either because its shit to way too expensive versus what you get as generic loot
>>340780797
>t. casual
>>340785750
>You can have one RPG and one AR
>You can't have three pistols
>>340780797
Fucking casuals... And maybe what? Fast travel everywhere you want?
No. You are not casualfag. You are spoiled idiot who was raised in easy way and you onyl want easy options.
Fuck you and may the life be hard for you as heart of my ex-girlfriend.
>>340782676
>>340783192
Even FE has gotten rid of weapon durability now. It's just a trash mechanic.
>>340780797
I don't really like Random Encounters, especially when it's like
>Combat
>Take two steps
>Another encounter
But I'm not saying it's universally shitty and should fuck off forever, some games does it well, but it just feels old
> Every MOBA ever made
>>340780797
quest markers
>>340784732
>not playing on lunatic
>one save file
>in a game where you can have multiple builds and branching paths of content/story
>some legendary weapons are worse then commons
>>340786181
>too pussy for random encounters
>muh time
>>340780797
Blame "muh immersion" for all of that.
>>340782287
>You actually liked the suitcase tetris?
Bestnpart of the fucking game, m8.
>>340781983
Go to bed, Justin.
You have a country to be running into the ground.
>item durability
>stuns in multiplayer
>>340785879
>blatantly cheating AI
>>340782287
>You actually liked the suitcase tetris?
You're not a true fan of Resident Evil unless you actually like inventory management.
>>340782279
I think he's mostly refering to when the player has two speeds, slow ass walking, and stamina consuming not as slow sprinting.
>>340781631
Okay but the Cod MW2 mission was amazing
>game has a technique that lets you move faster than your default speed
>you have to constantly spam it and it makes an annoying sound
>>340786878
>This fucker and his fucking infinite freeze blasts.
>>340781978
Pic related is adorable but how did they get that thing on snek you'd think he or she would bite you, I legitimately find snakes cute I want one for a pet but I am afraid my dog would eat the poor thing
>>340787289
>YAHOO
>YAHYAHYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY
>>340780797
>Design your levels properly
There's something that's shitty, linear games suck dick
>>340780797
RNG having any meaningful effect on the game
GET
THE
FUCK
OUT
>>340781983
what's wrong with turn-based games?
>"Open" "world" that is just a huge empty area filled with nothing and causes all objectives to involve doing the same thing over and over again.
muh time spent/money ratio
>"Customization" that just makes it so you're fucked over if you don't look up guides on the internet
muh depth
fun
Not being allowed to pause while playing by yourself.
Random cones of fire in any kind of shooter, there is no justification that my bullets are not going where my barrel is pointed.
If I have my sights on the target my round should hit, or alternatively miss because ballistics and environment influence the trajectory.
Bullets should not leave my barrel at a 30º angle because im not aiming down my ironsights or i ran for 5 seconds just because you lazy pieces of shit are too stupid to program weapon sway .
>rival boss fight
>enemy can do all kinds of shit you can't or has ridiculous stats you can never get
>inventory restictions of any kind - weight, size etc
>Fuck off and let me carry as much shit as I want
Fuck you, i always wanted a realistic inventory system for Resident Evil. If you are carring a shotgun in your hands, you shouldn't be able to carry a rocket launcher too. Also, a key should't stop you from carry a lighter.
>walking in a non-stealth game
>Why
Inmmersion.
>>340787662
>>340788101
The problem is with you. There are plenty of people who play with this things and do consistently well.
>>340788272
>not being a pokemon speedrunner
pleb
>>340787108
It was good in 4 but seriously 6 slots for items? It was shit and you know it especially with all the puzzles in the earlier games fuck
>>340786119
Those are delicious
>>340788101
Because bullets go the exact place every time in real life right? Effective ranges, running and then stopping, breathing, recoil. None of that matters?
>>340781983
>There are people that fell for this bait
>>340787735
Not him but it's retarded. Only people who can't think at a resonable pace like it.
>>340780797
>get new gear/item
>it's only useful for one area, or only used to unlock one gate
>>340782124
>>340782129
>>340782323
>>340782424
>>340783693
>>340784231
>>340786672
>>340787735
>>340788750
Not him but I've never enjoyed turn-based games, what makes them good in your opinions?
>>340789161
Why do people still play chess?
>>340788375
It sucked for Chris. That's why I always played based Jill.
>>340788317
>The problem is with you
>random number generation
I had no idea I controlled probability.
But yeah, you're retarded.
It's entirely possible to do well in an RNG game while still realizing it's a shit, unfun mechanic.
Stat allocation is a better system. So is something like effort values in Pokemon (yes, I know Pokemon also has some RNG)
Hell, even boring, old fashioned preset stat increases are less terrible.
>>340788731
There aren't any video games that have those things. They just stick RNG on the guns.
>>340789161
More strategy involved, usually
>>340789563
Insurgency
>>340780797
>Someone doesn't like survival games
>Open world game
>Mission where you are stuck in an area and can't back out
BONUS POINTS
>You can be severely under leveled for it
>>340789468
It's too bad no turn-based video game will ever truly have the depth of chess.
>Games that make you grind for fuck all
>game only autosaves and the last one was after you entered
>>340789161
>every game should be fast paced action
>tiny ass stamina meter only used for sprinting
>in a game that has a focus on exploring huge areas
I'd be fine if it was also used for fighting like in Dark Souls, but Skyward Sword's use of it was a travesty.
Games that fuck the save system
>>340790274
Is she crying because of the pain or the utter humiliation?
>>340790280
Slow pace is fine, I just think that a lot of games could benefit from not being turn-based
>>340790204
There aren't many games that truly require a significant amount of grinding.
But then there are some...
>>340780797
QTE's
>>340789161
Action and platformer are the absolute worst categories for porn games whereas turn based RPG is the pinnacle of game design.
>>340790389
I never understood why Diablo 2 needed a stamina meter.
>>340790458
I imagine it's a bit of both anon.
>Upgrade trees
>You have to waste points unlocking items you don't need to gain access to the items you want
>>340790554
>Action and platformer are the absolute worst categories for porn games
Get taste.
>>340790495
>there aren't many games
Nigga have you never played a Korean MMO? Or even things built like them, such as Monster Hunter and Borderlands?
>>340790554
Mario is Missing Peach's Quest.
Also take off those nostalgia goggles
>>340780797
>inventory restrictions
>hunger/sleep
Git gud, scrub.
>>340790650
>platformer
>jump off a cliff
>die, not even any porn involved, no space to fap
Why do people keep making these games
>action
>keep having to play game
>can't even get your hand down your pants before beating the level otherwise you lose and game over
>>340790650
>Vita
You have my complete and undivided attention
Best girl
>loot having level restrictions
This was honestly my only big problem with the Witcher 3.
>>340790790
MiM is the most poorly built porn game I have ever played on the legend of Krystal and that is saying something.
At least breeding season has good art and Gorepete's stuff is actually done
>>340790280
me itr depends
turn based games like grandia, I believe is fine
turn based game like final fantasy is mediocre
>Waypoints
If you can't guide me to the objective using the level design and in game clues alone, you're a shit game designer.
>>340789161
in SRPGs
>assemble a god-like team
>plan 5 steps ahead of the AI/player
>the satisfaction of stomping any army in your way, one turn at a time
in grand strategy game
>conquer entire lands
>have your kingdom, Anonland, rule under the rightful King Faggot
>sack kingdoms and towns as your territory grows
>the satisfaction of total control over all in your way, as you reap the spoils of war
>>340791078
There's actually a few different versions, one of them involves worlds and is actually pretty complete.
>be dungeon crawling in a place with doors
>locked door
>no key
>can bash golems to death with fists and rain death from the sky
>but by the gods this door confounds me
>>340780797
> weapon duration
It serve no purpose but being a chore.
> weapon/item crafting with autistic complexity
Getting a gazillion items or finding some rare ore in the middle of nowhere ain't no fun. Simple crafting (mixing two weapons/ weapon+simple item) or weapon upgrades are ok as long as they are not mandatory.
>open world for the sake of having to travel long distances/for "exploration"
Unless it's done with huge amount of atmosphere, otherwise it's shit.
>>340791234
>grand strategy
>turn based
>>340780797
>Casual player: the post
>Just let me press a button every minutes and have the game play itself
>>340791234
This actually makes me want to play turn-based again
>>340791383
it can be
>>340785516
>MMO
>Min maxed specs are 2-5x more effective than something that is just skilled randomly
>>340791308
It's a time-honored RPG tradition that's been around since the earliest days of D&D.
>>340786339
>Not playing video games for fun
>>340787509
Kek'd
>>340791308
This shit confused me as long as I remember. Developers could put there some ancient magically protected barrier, but no, its gotta be a thin wooden door that stops my demon-slaying badass of destruction
>>340790650
Link?
>>340791383
For the people at the very top of the chain of command, war does kind of seem turn-based.
>>340791237
MiM itself was a decent game for like 10 minutes while you struggled with the physics and hit boxes on the platforms.
Right now Peach's Untold Story is the best version and the dev is going out of their way to add so much extra bullshit that has nothing to do with porn and all the more to do with platforming and making it feel more like a Mario game. They turned 2 stages into 8 fucking poorly made worlds of which you fall through the floor in half the levels and it's so poorly optimized that it requires better hardware than Overwatch to run decently.
>RPG
>Your health increase is linear
>Enemy health increase is exponential
>Damage reflect is a mechanic
>>340780797
>Turret section
>>340789979
Chess isn't very deep. A computer can beat a chess grandmaster.
>>340781978
>Spelunky
>fantastic
my negro
>>340781140
when balancing the game is too much effort
>>340791383
Grand strategy=/=paradox games you fucko.
>>340780797
>random generation
>Fuck off and design your levels properly
Good in roguelikes, and infinite exploration things like minecraft.
Should not be used nearly as much as it has been recently. It's the sriracha of the indie scene.
>>340780797
>climb to the top of a structure to reveal events in the surrounding area and enable fast travel
OP you need to git gud if you can't manage your inventory, find safe places to rest in game, enjoy walking or need constant linear levels to finish any game.
>>340780797
>inventory restictions of any kind - weight, size etc
This isn't objectively bad though.
>>340780797
I'm with you on weight and hunger.
>you have to eat a steak every 3 minutes or you starve to death
>weight makes things more strategic
>oh wait it just makes you take several trips so bumfuck nowhere for loot.
Sprinting in FPS is so unnecessary why not just move at a constant fast speed like before.
>>340791234
>SRPGs
>AI is braindead
>90% chance they stand there doing nothing until you're within range
>virtually always poorly balanced and easy to break
>only real "challenge" comes when you have a map where the enemy starts off outnumbering you, in a better position, with tons of ranged attackers, and it becomes a tedious slog
>"durr i thought 5 moves ahead i r chess master"
I actually like srpgs, but get real. Even the best ones are prone to bad balance and AI.
>>340788375
What annoys me is the fact that a fuckin rocket launcher cost the same amount of space of a key
Do vehicle sections in platformers count as a mechanic?
>>340792539
Everything gameplay-affecting is a mechanic. Hence the term "gameplay mechanic".
>>340792396
I like games that let me change my movement speed but in a form of a small trick that slowly becomes muscle memory.
SM64 did that shit perfectly.
>>340791887
A computer can beat anyone with the right programmers. The thing is that good chess computers are designed to beat the player. Almost any other AI in a video game are designed to only give the player a challenge
hold button to reduce rng, the modern fps mechanic
>Weapons can't hit a thing without ironsights
>Dialogue choices are completely dependant on having enough persuation
>Ubisoft-slow progression systems
>Stealth sections on games not made for stealth
>Combat sections on games where combat is a guaranteed quickload
>>340792539
How many platformers actually do this? The only thing that comes to mind is Alone in the Dark 2008, and everything about that game is a complete mess.
>>340792396
But old school FPS games had ways to move much faster than running speed and those weren't constant.
>>340780797
Anytime when the game requires you to do some kind of minigame that is entirely different from the maingame and is unfun and annoying as hell. So think like the nose minigame in M&L Bowser's Inside Story or the Space canon in Dead Space.
However they're cases when the minigame can be fun, like the hacking miningame in Bioshock 1.
OP is a massive fucking faggot
>>340793121
>Is a guaranteed quickload.
Elaborate "quickload" please.
>>340790713
>monster hunter and borderlands require grinding
LOL
>>340780797
BAIT
>>340781708
The real problem is RNG item stats.
>>340780797
See, inventory belongs in games that are about resource management. Carry weight becomes just another resource.
In an open sandbox though? Horrible, horrible idea, and should really stop.
>hunger/sleep
Same issue, really. If the game is about resource management and survival, then yeah, totes fits. Don't Starve needs a hunger mechanic. Minecraft... eh, I felt like it was kind of out of place, but it's connected to health regen rate, so I'll give it a pass.
RPGs? Not a good fit.
Really, most of your problems are just issues of developers going "oh, it was good for X popular game, I should shoehorn it into mine" without thinking of why it belonged there in the first place, or how it ran counter to their own games themes and core aesthetic of play.
>>340793121
>>Weapons can't hit a thing without ironsights
The first few Brothers in Arms games are built around this and they are bretty gud. You are supposed to use positioning tactics to make up for it.
>>340781708
RNG anything just needs to die.
>>340793571
Last save/autosave/checkpoint/place from where you entered a room.
>>340793739
THIS ENTIRELY.
>>340782287
Jesus fucking Christ kill yourself
>>340781708
>RNG everything
>RNG true quest endings
>RNG affecting NPCs appearing
Don't fuck this up again Xenoverse 2
Limited inventory is such artificial difficulty .. only westerns do it
>>340793841
QUOTED FOR TRUTH
>>340783365
(You)
>>340794128
>farming frieza's mission trying to collect the dragonballs
never again
>>340793739
>totes fits
You don't get to have an opinion on the matter any more.
>>340781140
>the only number that increases is the level itself
>>340781708
>RNG Gear drops that are extremely rare and only dropped by a boss of who can't be refought after defeating it.
This shit always triggers my completionist autism.
>game punishes you for going full assault by rewarding you with less XP
>end up with a shit load of unused guns and ammo because of this
>>340781983
Turn based is fine, unless it's like Valkyria Chronicles where the enemies shoot you when it's not their fucking turn.
Literally invincible enemies that exist to usher the player in another direction are heinous. If you have to, make the enemy ridiculously over powered for my level. But damn let me at least try, if i succeed i want to be rewarded.
>sprint/run button
Just let me actually move at that speed normally if you're just going to do that. Even worse is when you have to mash it, or when the sprint is 1.1x faster but you get winded after 4 seconds.
>>340782287
>he didn't like suitcase tetris
>>340794736
>unless it's like Valkyria Chronicles where the enemies shoot you when it's not their fucking turn.
Expect that your team does that shit too and you can kill faggots with it.
>>340789979
>Chess
>deep
Mount stupid
>comeback mechanics that are on by default in single player
>items that fuck someone up but offer no benefit to the user
Blue shells say hi.
>>340783149
There's a mod that makes each encumberance point slow you down ever so slightly.
>>340787289
>what is sidehopping and rolling in Zelda
>>340794620
Not pretending that mechanic is anything other than dumb as shit but at least there's so few combat upgrades it doesn't fucking matter how little XP you get if you're just shooting everyone.
>>340780797
>Next door neighbors liked to watch me play Ocarina of Time back in the day
>I would always walk up the steps in the Temple of Time because I felt it fit the mood
>They loathe it
>So I kept doing it
Walking it the best.
>>340793142
I see it a lot in the third installment of platformers.
Spyro 3, Crash Bandicoot Warped, Sly Cooper, Jak 2 & 3, and so on.
>>340794620
If only there was a mechanic to sell things like that.
>>340795004
blue shells are necessary in mk because 1st place is the second safest spot in the game (with last being the safest). MK races would often be decided in the first 30 secs otherwise
>>340780797
This is the modern Bethesda audience
>>340795004
>comeback mechanics that are on by default in single player
>items that fuck someone up but offer no benefit to the user
Like guns?
are you just complaining about mario kart?
I wish every game had quick saves i liked games a lot more when I could accidently save myself into a corner where a bullet would kill me immediately everytime i loaded
>>340791886
>vs a helicopter boss
>>340795325
They shouldn't be in single player then, if i can outrace the ai every time
>Unskipable text filled tutorials
>bullshit RNG in turn based games
Why call it strategy if you need more luck than anything to win? FUCK XCOM
>>340780797
Why do you hate Mystery Dungeon games?
>can't save anywhere you want
>have to hold a face button to run normally in a 3D game
>entire magazines not being thrown out whenever you reload
>not being able to change difficulties midgame
>random encounters
>stealth sections in non-stealth games
aaaaAAAAAAAAAAGH
>text speed that's too fucking slow
I get maybe you don't want it to be instant speed, but there should always be an "extremely fast" option.This shit is the sole reason keeping me from replaying OoT, that text speed is hellish
Timewalls
Grindwalls
>>340781983
I fucking despite turn based games because the first one I played was quest 64 for the n64...
IT WAS PURE SHIT and I really try to love the game and turn based style but this was too deep of a shit, a shame because I know turn based games are good but fuck
>>340795678
Part of the extra strategy in my experience with turn based strategies is plan ahead and to minimize or prevent damage from being rng screwed. Although I'm not saying I agree with the usage with RNG.
>playing an online shooter
>go to outflank an enemy position
>enter a restricted area and it lowers your weapon
>"tactical" shooters are casualed to shit because apparently their demographics are too stupid to look left, right or behind every once in a while
>>340781140
Really nailed that one. I get pissed off just thinking about it.
>>340790495
At least hitting your own character quicken the grinding.
>>340795652
how about
>tutorials that pretend like they're not tutorials and are part of the game
sometimes it's handled alright, but it's usually painfully obvious it's a teaching part.
even funnier when devs act like they don't suck. http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1015541/How-I-Got-My-Mom
>>340780797
CRAFTING.
fuck every game forever that has this piece of shit unfun mechanic.
>>340796092
>Starting with shitty games when trying out a new genre.
>Letting that first example distaste you away from said genre.
Don't let that affect your opinion on it. Actually play better turned based games. And that way you can determine on whether or not you actually enjoy turn based games or not.
Because you know what, I have played some good fighting games, but in the end I just can't into them, as they're not my thing.
>>340794942
I prefer x-com's way of doing it. Either put them on over-watch or miss your chance to kill somebody. Otherwise it doesn't really make sense. Why would you stop shooting my ass off because I started aiming my gun? If you can shoot, why can't you just go run for cover as well?
Game gives you consumables like potions and scrolls, knowing good and damn well that you are going to hoard every last one of the motherfuckers and never use them because you might need them later.
>Level up
>So do the bad guys
doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose?
>>340796772
leveling up period seems pointless. but it's usually to gain more skills you give you a tacitcal advantage, as opposed to getting more hp/def or whatever to brute force your way past.
>>340794221
>artificial difficulty
There's that meme again!
>anything that makes sense is now difficult
>>340796772
No. Most devs don't want you skipping every single fight or skipping to the end of the game and still being able to win.
>>340796612
That's probably more on so on the game's difficulty or imbalance with certain things. And by imbalances I mean things that are much better to use than said consumables like a healing spell over a healing potion. Or a mastered spell you learned over a consumable spell scroll.
>>340796772
level scaling is the worse. My home town shouldn't have lv.100 fire dick demons from hell's asshole wondering right outside.
>>340796612
>only one type of item restores MP
>it's extremely rare and you can only get it in very specific instances
why the fuck can't I just buy more ether?
there are better ways to limit the player.
>>340782664
True but there is no tension in 4. The game is programmed to give you more of whatever ammo you need
>>340797158
boss fights should scale.
>Not seeing your legs in First Person view
>Not having to sleep, eat, drink, consider the elements
>Not being burnt by fire
>Not being able to swim
Come on now. We're better than this.
>>340796612
Most 90's shooters did this with specialty ammo. Since most levels were paved with shotgun ammo, the average gamer would slog along using that most of the time instead of pulling out the right tool for the job.
>>340787484
It just crawled right through.
And your dog might eat it, but your dog might eat a lot of living things
>magic doesn't auto regenerate
>>340796772
I don't have a problem with level scaling as long as the ratio of power grow isn't 1:1 (so grinding does actually make the fight easier, but not so much). and / or you get new techniques and spells as you progress, which are the key for winning, not just brute force.
>>340796994
>Implying the boss wouldn't be a strong enemy who requires you to level up
I think you're missing the point.
>>340796443
>he never played RF4
It's the only game that I know of that lets you craft a pair of fists that can cover an entire screen with punches because of range-buffing items
