Why is Quake so much better than Doom 2?
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Why is Quake so much better than Doom 2?
>shit level design
>shit art design
>generally worse weapons
>better than Doom 2
>>340701072
>shit level design
>shit art design
Doom 2 and quake have this in common
>More serious vibe
>Awesome weapons
>Ability to jump
>Solid levels
Though the bosses were lacking
Don't listen to this faggot ->>340701413
>>340701413
>shit level design
>quake
I take it you haven't played it. It has some of the best level design on any game, ever.
>>340701801
>this is what quakebabbies actually believe
>>340701980
>Can't bring up a single instance of bad level design in Quake because he hasn't played it
Nice job.
Are you the same type of pleb that thinks Gothic 2 is superior to Morrowind?
>>340703809
That floaty map with the indoor pyramids.
That was a lousy gimmick map.
>>340701072
Everything brown and medieval the game
Nah it's not bad but Doom 2 just gave the fans what they wanted
Doom 1+more
>>340704086
but it is
>>340701072
I never much cared for Quake until Arena.
>>340704196
It was a secret level you tit.
>>340704196
>a secret map is shit
tell me again why doom 2 level design is better? one level is literally 2 rooms and 4 necessary secrets to end the level. actually,
>all of sandy petersons maps
the wolfenstein secret level was even fucking worse, how the fuck do you manage it.
>>340701695
>more serious vibe warrants higher opinion over a video game
>ability to jump makes it a better game
>that pistol
Good one.
>>340704356
>Everything brown
>I only played the first level
Average quake h8r right then and there.
>>340704563
>quake
>pistol
So, people who pretend to hate quake never touched the thing. Got it.
>>340704196
>his only argument is cherrypicking one secret level out of 31
I was willing to listen to a good case to be made but you're clearly fucking retarded so thanks for wasting everyones time.
>>340704563
>pistol
>>340704671
no fucking shit, even doom fans like the game. its fantastic, doesn't need to be so much malice for either side as both series are excellent
quake pastebin for those interested
http://pastebin.com/cpjZmazY
Doom 2 is a very good game
http://www.strawpoll.me/10453040
>>340704532
Barrels o' fun wasn't THAT bad, but yeah, Sandy's maps are certainly the worst thing in Doom.
>>340701072
3D level design (when it was done right)
The only true issue with the game is that the weapons could have been done a lot better.
Quake 2 did the weapons much better.
>>340701072
Cause it was a new game instead of a gloried expansion pack.
I fucking love Doom. However, Quake will always be remembered for its netplay.
Also
>true 3D maps
>moody Lovecraftian atmosphere
>NIN soundtrack/sound effects
>>340705023
yeah i agree, barrels o fun really was fucking fun. people shit on it but i dont know why, man its satisfying to play
>>340701072
quake has a 3d engine and it's the most important pc game ever made
>>340704912
>doesn't need to be so much malice for either side
Sure, but Doom 2 is still an underwhelming, shitty mission pack with one good weapon. Quake is the one true sequel to the original doom.
>>340704583
>being this delusion and shilling
Blame the level designer's, hell the webm here is brown, and that is not the first level
>>340703962
>>340705025
>Quake 2 did the weapons much better.
Fuck no. The grenade launcher in Quake absolutely destroys the garbage one in Quake 2. There are no bad or useless weapons in Quake.
>>340705447
the axe
>>340705023
Honestly loved barrel's O fun because it was developers having a blast...
>>340705524
what is actually wrong with it? instant weapon switch makes it on of the best melee weapons in any game i can think of. i mean if you are comparing it to the other weapons yeah it pales in comparison but as an unlimited ammo starter weapon that makes sense
>>340705267
It would have been nice if it was more its own thing and had followed through with it's original ambitious RPG design, but what we got was still pretty great.
>>340701072
I don't think it is better.
I think both are equally great.
I prefer Doom's monsters over Quake outside of the Shambler, Vore and Fiend and Ogre. All of them are 11/10 fantastic.
I don't like the bad shotguns for Quake, but that Super Nailgun, Grenade Launcher and Rocket Launcher are fantastic. Great sounds and all that.
>>340705524
>mfw I grab a pentagram and axe a Shambler to death
>>340705164
>That third room where you spawn in the middle of a gorrilian meatball demons
Barrels o' fun was utter fucking trash
Barrels o' fun is the reason I never completed Doom II.
Absolute turn off
>>340701072
>>340701413
I am a doom player, but i can agreed that doom and quake levels are shit.
Quake is much better for single player.
But doom 2 has a lot of mods and active online communities.
For more info check zandronum and download doomseeker to play it.
>>340705969
It's even worse if you pistol start it.
>>340705969
What's wrong with it?
It's not a terribly long level.
It's not too terrible outside of the Pain Elemental section.
Granted there are better levels, but I don't think it's the worst map of Doom 2.That goes to Bloodfalls or Chasm
>>340706038
>quake levels are shit
Except they're not you fag. The level design is by far the best thing about Quake and is some of the best stuff in the genre. The game's not very good in a lot of other aspects like the weak guns, low count of incredibly tanky enemies and the lack of variety in visuals. But the level design's fucking great.
>>340705687
Tom Hall please leave, design is law
>>340706323
it's 2016 dude, there is a lot of better levels far more better than quake. quake is old.
Just check Unreal Tournament, Age of Empires, Turok, ..., etc.
>>340701072
mostly just level design imo
quake has a fair amount of variety and the levels don't overstay their welcome it's also short and you never get stuck or get bored, q2 feels like it drags in a lot of places especially with the backtracking and stuff
>>340705267
>shitty map pack with one good weapon
>1 year difference in doom 1 and 2
>wanting something more mind blowing and different
Theres a reason why Quake was made 2-3 years after doom
>>340706691
>Age of Empires
My favourite FPS
I'm playing DirectQuake and I keep crashing on E2M3. Any ideas?
>>340706327
Suck it down, Ponyboy.
>>340706831
Well your post doesn't make it any better, just explains why it was so bad.
>>340706137
>you will never own one of those comfy fucking sweaters
>>340705420
>shilling for a 40 year old game
Stop embarrassing yourself
>>340705726
>I don't like the bad shotguns for Quake
Come on, now. Gibbing some faggot with the super shotgun is much more satisfying in quake.
>>340706904
why directq? i recommend you use something like quakespasm only because its worked well for me, but i don't know much about the engines.
>>340705420
>>340704356
Actually you'd be surprised to know how much color there actually is in Quake. Although often cited as the muddy origin of gaming's brown monotomy Quake's levels are more diverse than they're given credit for.
Quakes got art assets that cover themes of
>metallic sci-fi plates
>gothic grotesque
>ancient stone
And although it makes use of a relatively narrow range of colors there are
>dark shades and naturalistic hues
>muddy greens
>blues
>coppers
>and brown
>>340705267
>All the new monsters that add a lot of variety to the combat(All Doom 1 monsters only fired linear shots)
>Super Shotgun is good and fun to use
I don't think it was underwhelming mission pack anon.
I even think most of the maps are good to okay, with the exception of Chasm, Bloodfalls and Citadel.
>>340705420
that webm has a powerup that turns everything green for fucks sake. its like if i made a webm of doom with invulnerability, would you honestly think everything was white?
>>340707283
I'd say its about as brown as DOOM 64, certainly less vibrant that doom 1 and 2 with their blue carpets and pink demons, the lack of color in the enemies makes it seem grimmer too
>>340707212
It just doesn't sound fun and it's not very satisfying to use to me.
More fun than the regular Nailgun though.I just imagine it as a representation of the monsters being so powerful that only the heavy ordinance really has an impact instead. Fits with the theme I guess
I think a lot of people who dislike Doom 2 are bad at the game.
>>340707582
how is it even possible to be bad at doom? you don't even have to aim.
>>340707360
>slight green tint, but without it it's still brown
I've played the level holy shit stop trying to say it's not brown
>>340707283
I'm mostly talking about the brighter contrast color's i shouldn't have said it was all brown just a darker moodier pallete, compared to the first level of Doom 1 Hangar
>>340707582
In that case they'd hate all the big FPS from that era because they're all much more difficult than Doom 2
>>340707637
And yet people admit on /v/ to not beating it on Ultra Violence.
>>340701072
I don't really like the pain elementals in Doom 2, and archviles are always in shitty spots where it's hard to dodge the fire.
But Quake has the same problem, on hard the giant lightning shooting yeti guys can kill you in 3 or 4 hits and those guys start showing up in like the 3rd or 4th level. Those jumping monsters are gay as fuck too.
>>340707582
I hate the new doom game that was released.
>>340707637
see >>340705969
>not knowing how to use ssg.
>not raping monsters whit rpg.
>>340707759
That's lame, i used to play the last level of plutonia whit hardest level and monster respawn and still win.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iIrg4DM078
>>340707702
that level is more green, gray, and blue than brown if youd actually played the level
pretty sure its an episode 3 level if you want to cherry pick some brown examples
>>340707865
>That one shambler that spawns behind you after you grab a key while you're on a tiny platform surrounded by lava with no ways out or cover
None of the doom 2 levels are hard just annoying as fuck. Someone seriously thought walking into an empty room and then getting assaulted by a swarm of imps and lost souls was a good idea for doom 2 the best part is that you get nothing in return fir wasting your ammo.
>>340707905
>shit i gotta pick up my spaghetti's!
>everything is different color's! that webm is not Brown at ALL!
stop, i'm not cherry picking, thats what i got out of quake
>>340707869
Plutonia's map 30 isn't really that cruel, even with monster respawn since it's kind of a short run.
Still though, good job anon
I think most people are intimidated by Plutonia's challenge so they pick HMP and don't revisit it after beating it.
I prefer Scythe personally.
>>340705198
>>340705331
>>340706137
Damn fucking straight.
>>340707865
>ebon fortress
>last elevator down to exit
>three fucking fiends and three fucking ogres ready to fuck my shit
> only had a few rockets left and only that
doom > quake
>>340708196
>>340707905
>>340707702
Quake's color palette is best described as vomit and diarrhea and I fucking love it.
It depicts a very unpretty world.
>>340708530
Yeah i see no problem with it since if fits the mood of the game perfectly
>bethesda has made a good modern doom and wolfenstein game.
Quake reboot when?
>>340708747
There are already job listings for it so probably 2017 or 2018
What's the shittiest map and why is it Chasm?
>>340708530
Definitely for sure, an almost unworldly game, though i wonder who set the setting to be dark, old vs new machine vs organs
>>340703962
bad grafics
>>340709084
>blue and green numbers
wtf
>>340701072
Playing quake recently, I can safely say it is not.
>>340709309
colorblind
>>340709265
I love Q1's graphics nigga
I have never played Quake but I absolutely love Doom. Is it safe to say that'd I'd enjoy Quake?
>>340709360
In terms of machanics quake is better in so many ways, but doom just feels good/fun to play at almost any interval, ill still boot up knee deep on nightmare/ultra
>>340709595
Dont see why not
>>340708196
again, more green grey and blue
-Q1
>cool music
>monster design is rad
>jumping
>that fucking rocketlauncher
-D2
>that fucking music
>archvile AKA king of rape town
>Heavy Weapons Dude AKA Dutchess of rape town
>the icon of sin (im a sucker for the design, my next tattoo)
>the super shotgun
they are both good games
i like video games
i like quack and doom
>>340709595
Do it fag, Quake 1 is cool as fuck
>>340709595
Imagine Doom with verticality and rocket jumping but less weapons. The level design has overlapping sections that reduce the backtracking that was sometimes a pain in Doom.
It's biggest weaknesses in my opinion are the sometimes anticlimactic ends to the chapters. Only one of them has a boss due to time constraints.
>>340704086Gothic 1 > 2 > MW
>>340706831
>>wanting something more mind blowing and different
I really didn't. I just wanted the same level of quality maps we had in Doom. They were made by pretty much the same people, but somehow felt like shitty arenas full of enemies with nothing to them.
>>340710598
it has the same weapon count as doom 1
>>340709679
Im sorry to say you have colour blindness i see red brown yellow
>>340701072
Why does there need to be a contest between the two? There's like a 3 year difference between the two technologically at a time in the gaming industry when that period of time may as well have been 2 decades in the way gaming was constantly evolving.
>>340707292
All the new monsters were poorly animated and somehow looked out of place. You know it's true, bro.
>>340705267
>Sure, but Doom 2 is still an underwhelming, shitty mission pack with one good weapon. Quake is the one true sequel to the original doom.
Doom 2 has a much higher skill ceiling than Doom 1. Revenants and Chaingunners force you to git gud pretty quick.
>>340701072
>Multi-Grenade_Ogre.jpg
Quake may be better than Doom 2 but that mission pack sure isn't. Reskinned monsters, reskineed weapons shit level design and what the fuck, lava nails, come on. So fucking lazy after Hipnotic showed how great a Quake mission pack could be.
>>340711030
I always saw Quake as the sequel to Doom 2 anyway.
>>340710903
Oh shit apparently you're right. I must have misremembered because most of them come in pairs (one being the more powerful upgrade of the first)
>Shotgun
>Double-Barrelled Shotgun
>Nailgun
>Super Nailgun
>Grenade Launcher
>Rocket Launcher
>Thunderbolt
>lol we ran out of time for the chain lightning gun :^)
>>340708196
Dismissing the game for its technical shortcomings is idiotic, though. They had to work with a limited color palette and I think they did an amazing job of it. The game being monotone in terms of color was an engine limitation, not a design choice.
>>340704912
That pastebin is filled with too manys words, and opinions. It's pretty shit.
>>340711284
>that hipdm1
One of my favorite maps in any multiplayer fps desu
>>340709595
>Is it safe to say that'd I'd enjoy Quake?
Yes, it very much is doom in 3D.
>>340711534
>The game being monotone in terms of color was an engine limitation, not a design choice.
Yeah, no.
>>340710598
Quake doesn't need bosses, half the enemies are the equivalent of a Doom boss.
I found the levels to look boring and the general artstyle to be uninspired.
Doom had a certain arcade-y look to it that fit well with the run-and-gun gameplay.
Even though there was now true 3d Quake looked more flat to me.
The only thing I really liked was the sounds. Not the music specifically, but how everything sounded. Very atmospheric.
>>340706904
Switch to Quakespasm. Porting Quake to Direct 3D comes with all the instability of Direct 3D. tl;dr DirectQ is crashy and you can't fix it.
>>340711534
That's half true I'd say. They were obviously limited by a 256 color palette but the tones they used were selected with the tone of the game in mind.
Don't get me wrong because I believe the art direction was very appropriately and well done, but they could have used more brighter colors. The question is whether that would have been fitting.
>>340711908
>>340707250
Thanks fellas
>>340711492
>fist
>chaingun
>shotgun
>super shotgun
>pistol
>machinegun
>plasma gun
>bfg
thats so much better. also the axe is the last one you forgot
>>340711176
I never really pay attention to the animations but it's not bad. It's just as limited as all the other Doom monsters, and what they add to the gameplay makes up for animation faults.
Quake also has some janky animations but that doesn't really mean too much because the gameplay is good.
>>340711779
What were you trying to prove there? That pic has an extremely limited hue range.
>>340712060
>calling the Great Communicator a chaingun
>>340705267
Is the shambler supposed to be covered in fur? I always pictured him as a toothy yeti with lightning powers.
Playing through DOOM 2 again right now on ultraviolence. SO far the only gimmicky level I haven't really enjoyed was The Crusher.
>>340709309
What are source ports?
>>340712321
I see them as fleshy and wrinkly
they look like giant naked mole rats
What source port is the closest to the original but with support for modern resolutions? A lot of people say darkplaces but I'm pretty sure that replaces the soundtrack with some other shit.
>>340709595
It's different, but yeah. I think it's a fair bet anyway.
>>340711589
i wrote it to compile information, not necessarily just to get it up and running the fastest way. for example, included is a mention for nquake which is pretty much one click and you can play online for free. but i also detail how you could get online with ezquake which is basically nquake without the ez. its hard to find information in one spot for quake so that was my goal
>>340712487
I use darkplaces without the fancy lighting and particle effects.
>>340711657
It even doubles as a good single player map.
>>340701413
>Doom 2
A game that features
>Factory
>Downtown
>Gotcha
>Barrels o' fun
>>340712487
Quakespasm is objectively the best.
>>340712321
I see it as tuff leathery white skin.
>>340712487
glQuake
>>340711589
also what opinions?
>>340712487
darkplaces is not close to the original. it even changes the engine, you jump higher for example. it does have it's own multiplayer protocol though so you would need it to play with your friends for example
quakespasm is good for singleplayer and mods
ezquake is good for multiplayer on quakeworld protocol
proquake is good for multiplayer on netquake protocol
Is there any special place I should get Quake or should I buy it off steam?
>>340712778
>Shambler and Gremlin spam
>good single player map
>>340713491
Don't give money to bethesda, just get it from a torrent or whatever. The steam version doesn't even have the music.
But it's not. Doom especially DOOM II is much better than the abomination that is Quake. Who even likes Quake? Really? Romero for life.
>>340713491
http://pastebin.com/jwwr1dtW
>>340713651
>Doom especially DOOM II
You've never touched these games, shut the fuck up.
>>340713491
>Download engine
>Download WAD
>>340713691
I know QUACK gets a lot of love but come on, look at all these derivatives, do you need MORE PROOF that Quake is a flawed design?
>>340713672
Oh golly anon, thanks.
>>340713837
looking a little slim there billy
>>340713797
>WAD
It's PAK in Quake's case
Doom>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Duke Nukem 3d>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yoshi's Story>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Quake series.
eat my butt i did the cinnamon challenge and farted out gingerbread men
>>340713498
If you can't take the heat then get outta the floating platforms in space map.
>>340713491
gog sells it, doesn't have music though. can download game and its music here
http://pastebin.com/cpjZmazY
>>340713672
link's outdated, i don't know if the mega links still work on that one
>There are people other than me who prefer Quake 1 to 2
I always thought I was alone.
I think most prefer 2 because of its multiplayer, but Quake 1's singleplayer is vastly superior imo.
>>340712139
>hue range
>clinging this hard to a horrible argument
kill yourself, friend.
>>340713837
If anything, it proves the exact opposite. The engine was so solid, we're still getting derivatives today.
>>340713145
This. Or Winquake.
>>340714017
Doom>Quake>Douk
>Quake 1 is one of my favorite games
>Quake 2 is a hot pile of shit and one of the worse shooters ever made
>Quake 3 is hella fun
>>340714017
What about ShadowWarrior?
>>340714112
Quake 2 SP being worse than Quake 1 is a common opinion, at least here and /vr/
>>340714106
>i don't know if the mega links still work on that one
They do.
>>340714119
>I don't understand anything but I'll lash out anyway.
Stop begging for attention.
>>340711872
I disagree. The format was interesting enough, slow escalation to an obvious climax, but I honestly can't even remember how the chapters without bosses ended. I don't think they were memorable enough. ID probably would have done more had it not been for the need to make concessions in order to get the game launched on time.
>>340711906
Doom definitely had the more varied inspiration
>unironic 90's action movies
>thrash metal
>the crew's Dungeons & Dragons campaigns
>the Alien movies
>HR Giger (fusing metallic sci-fi and flesh)
Quake was inspired by the same elements science fiction, fantasy, and satanic imagery but married them with
>HP Lovecraft (cosmic horror)
>fantasy castles and dark factories
But it had a much more focused vision for that dark fantasy and horror that definitely sacrificed that arcade-y-ness for that godly atmosphere. That and the level design were enough to appeal to me personally but I can see where you're coming from.
>>340714352
>Quake 2 is a hot pile of shit and one of the worse shooters ever made
People like to (justifiably) shit on daikatana, but they clearly never played Quake 2.
>>340713557
>The steam version doesn't even have the music.
Please tell me this isn't true.
>>340714572
It is. Gog advertises the music but idk if it's actually included since beth licensing and them have a weird history
>>340714352
>>340714560
May I ask how or why?
>>340714017
Where does Serious Sam fit into this chart?
>>340714409
exactly. what about shadowwarrior, little bro. shit's just a mod.
>>340714690
An overated duke mod if you ask me.
>everyone shits on quake 2
strogg are cool mang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJwyjWpP4XA&ab_channel=JERKSTORE
Not sure if I want them or quake 1 style more for Quake 5
>>340714656
Try to finish it once without dying of boredom, that's all I'll say.
>>340714686
serious sam is serious shit. do not do without adult supervision.
QuakeWorld and modding are the real reasons.
Quake is good but Doom 2 was way more hype at the time
I loved Doom and Quake but I never played any of it's sequels (not counting Quake III)
The themes of otherworldly monsters were FUCKIN' RAD but from what I understand about the sequels they throw all that out in favor of science fiction and strogg ayy lmao bullshit
Does 2 or 4 have enough surprises that will win me over / make them worth looking at or should I skip them.
>>340714690
W-well y-you're just a mod!
>>340713972
holy shiiiiiit
>>340715038
I've played a whole lot of Quake and Quake 2
the atmosphere and monsters in Quake are better imo, and I'm generally a huge scifi fan.
Quake 2 is still a great game, however, and I definitely recommend it.
>>340715038
Not really
>>340714352
quake 2 isn't bad at all. if you like quake 3, you like quake 2. quake 3 is the same without singleplayer except the lg made a return doing half the damage
>>340715107
no, sir. i am just a man. a man with a statement about heavy metal that needs to be heard by thousands, if not millions.
>>340715038
Well, Quake IV is a direct sequel to Quake 2 but with more varied gameplay and obviously fancy graphics. It's also like a better version of Doom 3, so it's worth going through.
Quake 3 is the greatest achievement in human history. In b4 assblasted unrealtards trying to stir up shit. Look at those curved surfaces, faghats. Look and cry.
>>340714572
No, it's true. The music was always kept on the CD and for some reason this means that for a full download of the game you don't actually have any of Reznor's music, thus having to go out of your way to download a pack to reinsert it.
>>340715271
morrowind is pretty much superior to anything quek has to throw at it.
>>340715271
the curved surfaces that any serious player, turns off? those are a visual spoof, the actual angles aren't high polygon they just appear to be so. you can shoot through and even fall through them which isn't worth fake curves. turn it off with /r_subdivisions 88. that said that really isn't a good reason to prefer one to the other. cpma is better than quake 3 for example and unreal tournament is good in a different more over the top sense
>>340715582
>the curved surfaces that any serious player, turns off?
Be honest here, how old is your goddamn computer?
>>340715271
Unreal had better level design and more variety as well, Quake doesn't do anything else other than gritty, gothic and industrial themed maps.
>>340715582
>tfw you just playin and a serious nigga shows up
>>340715696
>tfw when you just playin and a dumb nigga shows up
performance matters no matter what you playin on.
>>340715696
>>340715775
it isn't about performance, its about knowing what fucking surfaces are actually solid
>>340715775
Not when you get so many FPS it doesn't even matter anymore.
>>340715769
>FEAR doesn't do anything but office and industrial maps
>>340715869
do the source ports make those curves real?>>340715271
>>340715917
FEAR is neo-trash, slow ass repetitive shooter, what's your point?
>>340715917
fear is twenty years too late
>>340715989
Quake 3 doesn't need a source port, pleb.
>doom was bad
>but it seems to have rekindled interest in quake
this is like, the reason i've been on /v/ for 7 years
>>340715769
>Quake doesn't do anything else other than gritty, gothic and industrial themed maps.
Does it need to do anything else? Dont get me wrong, I love both games but Quake (at least 1) stick to one artstyle and theme for the whole game
>>340715769
>Unreal had better level design
If you like shitty scripted sequences, huge maps completely devoid of content that you slowly walk through and backtracking then yes
>>340716229
>stick to one artstyle and theme for the whole game
.....why? the art styles and themes is one of the things that makes quake great
youre complaining that a game has slightly varied environments. amazing. I hate people who come here so much
>>340715869
also quake live recently locked this setting. it "gave players an advantage", no fucking shit it does TAKE IT AWAY FOR EVERYONE ITS STUPID
>>340715989
no, thats actually high poly beside the jumppad outline. i had to check, thats possible in the unreal engine too, its just a labor of time, love, and resources. but this is an exception, most other surfaces are a lot less round than youd think, like the door frames
>>340716373
forgot image
Never a big fan of the Quake series. Just lacks that SOMETHING that Doom or Duke or Blood has for me.
That said, I do find myself playing through Quake 1 every now and then, so it's obviously doing something right.
>>340716373
>thats possible in the unreal engine too, its just a labor of time, love, and resources
it's possible in unreal engine by brute forcing it. Quake 3 has a specialized tessalating routine carmack wrote specifically for the curves.
>>340716339
>youre complaining that a game has slightly varied environments. amazing. I hate people who come here so much
Im not complaining and Im not even the guy you are fighting, I just dont see what is the problem with Quake having gritty, gothic and industrial themes.
That shit is what makes Quake fucking Quake
what the fuck was quake anyway? I was never clear on the setting/theme. just generic gothic horror?
>>340716635
why are you responding to my post as if im not in agreement with you even after you greentexted it
what the fuck is wrong with people who use this site do you have cystic fibrosis or something
CAN YOU ACTUALLY NOT UNDERSTAND WAHT YOU READ EVEN AFTER FUCKING REPEATING IT TO YOURSELF
>>340716564
its only possible in either game by "brute forcing it". that algorithm only obscures the view and makes it seem round but it isn't actually round, which is stupid in an arena shooter where actually knowing what you can shoot through is pretty important
>>340709084
I really fucking hated perfect hatred, the limited walking space made dodging shit hard especially when the herd of caco Demons and lost souls come after you
>>340716287
>If you like shitty scripted sequences, huge maps completely devoid of content
That's Doom 2, baby.
>>340716729
filthy futurism scientists summon directly-referenced lovecraftian horrors while trying to into teleport (same story as doom except eldrich instead of demons). the levels look different because you are in 3 different dimensions ruled by the lovecraftian entities as well as your own time
>>340716753
>that algorithm only obscures the view and makes it seem round but it isn't actually round, which is stupid
you're confusing clipping with visuals. Yes, it is actually round. you can fucking see that it is round. No, it does not clip in the same way as the visual effect.
Please act like you understand what you're talking about
>>340716493
Mothafuckin NURBS, nigga.
>>340716939
The quake3 IHV leak had a really, really cool nurbs thing
i can't remember if it was used in the game i dont think it was
why did video games have to leave us after quake 3? :(
>Quake fixes hitscan enemies so they can't snipe you from across the map with 100% accuracy
>Quake makes the homing capability on Vores even more bullshit than Revenants
I'm conflicted.
>>340716229
Having more variety is always a plus especially in a MP focused game, and it's not just the theme, it's more variety in the gameplay as well.
>>340716287
We are talking about UT, not Unreal, but i bite.
>If you like shitty scripted sequences
Barely had any of those, and they were anything but shitty.
>huge maps completely devoid of content that you slowly walk through
Just because its different from corridor after corridor or maze like level design you are used to doesn't mean it's devoid of content, maps have a lot of secrets and details that you probably have no knowledge about. The maps were made big because exploration was an important part of the game and not just running and gunning down the same mosters.
>you slowly walk through and backtracking then yes
How many maps have backtracking anyway? And why is it even an argument against it? You are just cherrypicking at this point, gtfo.
>>340717363
>Quake gives you a 3d map and 3d movement with which to escape the shalrath balls
Revenant rockets aren't fun, shalrath balls are. People here seem to hate them and I can't figure out why.
The bullshit enemy of Quake is tarbabies. They get guaranteed hits if you fuck around
>>340716916
i assumed i did, it still isn't round, it is still a collection of triangles to make it look round, it can be accomplished in unreal, it can be accomplished in quake 1. they are physically the same, there is no hack only the tools to do it, you can replicate anything done in quake 3 in unreal and that is my point
>>340717104
oh so THAT green hud was from a leak?
I remember when I first played quake3, it came with that Manual thingy in HTML and some screenshots had that hud. At the time, I thought you had to play as the green skeleton to use it
>>340714441
Is that you, RetroAhoy?
>>340717560
Exploration's a huge part of all old school FPS it's just that they don't waste your time with empty massive rooms that serve no purpose other than to waste your time. I get that the game's trying to be epic and immersive and all but that's completely lost on anyone who didn't play it when it was new. Same with backtracking, the backtracking in Quake is lightning fast because of the shortcuts you're constantly opening and the efficient use of space. It keeps up the pace and makes it feel like you're thoroughly exploring a small area, seeing it from all angles and all of that. Slowly backtracking through the same exact empty area is just dull.
>>340718207
>they don't waste your time with empty massive rooms that serve no purpose other than to waste your time
When does that even happen in quake?
>>340717769
>it can be accomplished in unreal, it can be accomplished in quake 1
No, it can't. You are brute forcing it in quake 1 and unreal, forcing the engine to account for the surfaces in terms of lighting and vis. This would slow the engine to a crawl in quake 1, less so in unreal.
You are not brute forcing it in quake 3. The curves appear at render-time, not at compile-time. They are not affected by the vis and light processes.
>you can replicate anything done in quake 3 in unreal and that is my point
except you can't, because you can't make multiaxial curves like >>340717104
Let's be honest, faggots, Duke Nukem 3D blew all this shit out of the water.
>>340718424
sorry, kid who didn't have an internet connection. btw, dark forces shits on duke.
>>340718487
blow it out your ass
>>340718207
>i can't into atmosphere the post
You are a pleb who couldn't get immersed in the great, menacing yet beautiful world of Na pali, you can't blame the devs for that. Some of the maps in unreal have more interesting themes and setting than anything else ever tried on shooters, Quake is an action shooter, Unreal is exploration shooter, comparing them was your first mistake. Your cherrypicking only applies for some of the nature, outdoor large maps, but the starship, mine and temple themed maps all have "efficient" (more like limited in quake.) use of space.
>>340718487
No. DF is a cool star wars themed WAD that explains the death of a lot of bothan spies. DF2 is where that series really gets going and becomes its own thing
>>340718487
bullshit
dark forces had shit weapons and shit level design
>>340718835
>dark forces had shit weapons
i would fuckin fist fight you over this, dark forces has some of the most enjoyable guns ever, at least if you played it when it was new
though some were generally weak, the designs and sounds and projectiles were awesome
>>340718367
What are some examples of NURBS in the retail Quake 3?
>>340711492
Quake's only real downside is the limited weapon pool. I personally like the level design in Quake 1 a lot more than Doom 1, everything's a bit more fluid and has flow to it. Doom stages kinda force you to stop and search from time to time, Quake stages only really require you to have alright special awareness.
>>340718832
god dammit that was the second death star
>>340718823
Themes and setting aren't very important if the design's lame as heck. The indoors maps suffered from emptiness too, it was all so boxy and empty while Quake made good use of verticality and had maps intersecting in cool ways. Plus I wasn't the one who compared Unreal to Quake in the first place, just responding to some guy saying it had better level design.
>>340704196
ziggurat vertigo was awesome you fucking plebe
>>340718967
There are none, the game did not use nurbs but surface extrusion.
>>340718967
Everything that looks like a smooth curve with no interior edges. It's used a lot in the game.
Half-life 1 also sort of does this, but it's just a lighting trick, and the curves maintain better collision than in quake 3 because it only works on moderately "curved" surfaces. You can see it in the first level, when the hallway corners are rounded.
![Rogue-One-Jyn-Ersa-Geared-Up[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/TmHyUEb.jpg "Rogue-One-Jyn-Ersa-Geared-Up[1]")
>>340719060
eh, I bet some bothans die in this one anyway
>>340701072
Why is it so much worse than Doom?
>>340705147
Quake 1 is honestly the best in the series (of games named Quake, that is, given that there's so little connection). Best singleplayer by far, a 3D distilled Doom with better enemies, full 3d environments and a really awesome art style that came about as a product of circumstance and worked extremely well, and the best multiplayer because there's no railgun shittery like in Q2/3.
And the sound effects are so fucking good. Picking up a key in Quake is the best sound in the worldother than quad damage.
>>340714769
>>340714690
Shadow warrior is basically a better version of Douk.
My only issue with the game is the shitty rail gun that does like no damage.
>>340704196
>casualfags
Not even once. Who /fuckreflex/ here
>>340719367
>of games named Quake, that is, given that there's so little connection
I still want to know why there are strogg crates in quake1 levels. Maybe those guys had candy that the fiends really liked or something, so the elder gods imported it for them.
Rock candy definitely rock candy for fiends, ogres like chocolate bars
>>340719378
Sword is cool but Duke has better weapons overall and a theme I enjoy more. Lo Wang just isn't as funny to me
>>340705726
>I don't like the bad shotguns for Quake
The best way to look at them isn't as shotguns. The Q1 shotgun is like Doom's pistol except not as shitty- you start with it, but it's still a perfectly serviceable weapon and your only midrange hitscan option. The double barrel shotgun is more akin to an actual game shotgun- wide spread, high damage, but useless outside pissing range. Quake doesn't really have an SSG equivalent, although the super nailgun works well as a jack-of-all-trades as long as you can keep your ammo topped off.
>>340719378
>Shadow warrior is basically a better version of Douk.
The levels were nowhere as intricate and fun to explore as in DN3D. The enemies weren't even remotely as memorable and the guns are a coin toss compared to Douk.
>>340719367
>And the sound effects are so fucking good.
*SHING* MMmMM
>>340706904
Use ezquake
>>340707360
>what are cfgs
>>340719136
>Themes and setting aren't very important if the design's lame as heck
Good thing Unreal has good theme and good design as well then.
>The indoors maps suffered from emptiness too, it was all so boxy and empty while Quake made good use of verticality and had maps intersecting in cool ways
And you keep making the same mistake, you are comparing two different philosophies of level design, Quake is mostly mazes and arena like enviroments, this is callled abstract level design, Unreal actually tries to picture what would an alien world look like, you only keep calling them empty because how bigger they are compared to quake maps but this isn't avalid argument because both try to do different things.
>>340712487
Quakespasm
>>340719771
While I agree with your assessment, abstract level design leads to good fps levels and "pointed" level design leads to bad fps levels.
This is one of the major reasons why all fps have been bad since about 1999. Detail increased and people wanted real looking shit. It doesn't work.
>>340719574
>watched my dad play and beat this game
>beat this game on my own afterwards
>decide to replay it not really expecting any surprises
>MMmMM
>one of these knights charges out of a pitch black shadowed corner that I couldn't see into and forgot about
> scares the fuck out of me and I closed the game immediately
>didn't play it again for years and years because of this
>>340719889
>>MMmMM
i'm loling over here but i think that's gotta be the perfect way to write it out
>>340713972
>mfw I've played most of these because I'm always thinken of fast
>>340719304
>>340719323
well ive learned something new today, thanks
how come Doom 1 and 2 still hold up but Quake looks like shit?
>>340720051
yeah that's the best example in the game.
uhhh...except for the map that Levelord made. It's called ASSault. It has a huge dong on it.
This guy was employed by game companies and made this and everyone thought it was hilarious. Remember video games, /v/?
>>340719771
The abstract level design in Quake is exactly what makes it better. The levels work exactly as intended and come off as stylized, instead of dated thanks to their limited technology. The environments of Unreal are downright laughable by the standards of games that came out just a couple of years after because they are void of detail. If you have a problem with this comparison, settle it with the guy bringing Unreal into the discussion in the first place:^)
>>340715582
>cpma
My nigga
>>340709117
>i wonder who set the setting to be dark, old vs new machine vs organs
id ran out of time working on Quake so they cobbled together everything they had art-wise which ranged from medieval knights and castles to dull underworld caverns and hell-pits, then added some guns (with a nailgun instead of a standard machine gun, which is a fantastic thing) and called it a day.
>>340708747
They didn't make Wolf TNO, that was Machinegames under contract to Bethesda.
I don't have high hopes for a new Quake turning out well, unfortunately.
>>340720162
>games will never be this carefree ever again
>>340720281
unsurprisingly, guess who the main mapper for Sin was.
>>340705025
I disagree about the weapons. I hated them, especially the initial weapon. Took like five or six shots to kill the basic monster.
>>340718832
>DF is a cool star wars themed WAD
DF plays more like Wolf3D or ROTT than Doom. I'm not saying it's highly original but it's not even a little Doomy.
>>340712321
Romero has said that they're supposed to have thick, shaggy fur, but an unsourced quote from someone else (A. Carmack, maybe?) says they're bare and fleshy.
It's up to your interpretation, really. That's the good thing about Quake.
>>340715917
FEAR does have awful maps.
>>340720416
He was such a god-tier mapper. I miss good FPS level design.
>>340720450
that's why you get a shotgun and grenades in the first level and a machinegun and more grenades in the second level. bro.
the blaster is supposed to feel like a desperation weapon in quake 2, they specifically stated this.
>>340720102
Quake looks good
>>340719853
>abstract level design leads to good fps levels and "pointed" level design leads to bad fps levels.
This is corret, still i find Unreal to have a good balance between both which is one of the reasons i like it so much.
>>340719853
I disagree. Levels designed to feel like real places can be great. It worked for Duke 3D (way more realistic and resembling logical places than DOOM anyway) and System Shock and Strife
>>340705267
>>340720509
I've never herad of your unsourced quote. I'm pretty sure it's canon that shamblers are furry. I remember the words "matted fur" used
*BDOODOODOODOO*
how come a shamblers lightning bolt goes bdoododoodoo that's not the sound lightning makes that's the sound bobby digital makes
>>340720595
It is honestly gone. I gave my reason why I think so a few posts ago- graphics advanced so people thought we needed more graphics in FPS. we never really did. FPS is entirely, 100% about levels and no FPS has had good levels since RTCW.
So after finishing doom 1, what game should I play next? other than doom 2?
>>340717104
>Quake1 lacks of colors? Here's Q3 HUD and weapons MLP style, do you like it now?
>Green & violet
Tanks doc.
>>340718207
I played Unfeal for the first time a short while ago and I really dig it. Levels are a bit big though, and that water temple area was a pain.
>>340720750
DOOM 2, but if you're really set on something new, quake is too much of a leap. I reccomend Duke Nukem or another Build engine game. Or if you're tired of action all the time, System Shock
>>340720184
I'm glad they did, honestly (TbH) because that clash of styles made the game much more unique and memorable visually than most of the others they made.
>all this shiting on Quake 2
>it's a "/v/ shits on one of your favorite games of all time again" episode
>>340714352
I agree.
For me, Quake 2 was so dull. Primary the weapons and the levels that looked exactly the same.
>>340701072
Doom > Quake > Doom 2
>>340720750
Undertale
>>340719574
Those guys are pussies compared to Hell Knights.
>round corner
>aw shit nigga too close
>start backpedaling hoping he'll do the spray attack
>NOPE
>motherfucker does a lineman's tackle at mach 5 to keep exact pace with you as he takes chunks out of you at thirty health a pop
>>340720974
>quake is too much of a leap
hahah no. Go play quake. It's the best single player and multiplayer FPS ever made. It is the legitimate hegiht of the genre.
"too much of a leap" like he's never played a fucking fps game before.
>>340720172
>instead of dated thanks to their limited technology. The environments of Unreal are downright laughable by the standards of games that came out just a couple of years after because they are void of detail
Shitty argument, because despite the years that have passed since Unreal came out, there isn't a single shooter that haves as much variety on the enviroments and level design as Unreal did, Unreal has aged much better than Quake as well, the game still looks great, from animations to lighting effects, sounds and music which give the game an atmosphere hardly found in other games, if i liked to cherrypick like an idiot i would say Quake level design is nothing but brown and yellow mazes, but i won't because i know what Quake is trying to do and how it's totally different experience from Unreal
>>340721092
Remember the tank action figure. He was so fucking badass
I love Quake 2. The multiplayer wasn't very good, though...luckily it was playstation 1 era so lots of other stuff to play.
>>340720731
I miss "open" maps with fixed enemy locations (as opposed to enemy closets continually swarming in). Quake 2 and Duke Nukem 3D come to mind for this. It seems engines have gotten so "advanced" that they can't actually render such open levels which is why modern levels are checkpointed, leaving the previous areas unrendered. Although D44m's aversion to this pleasantly surprised me but god damn trying to explore levels for secrets/collectibles while not being able to quicksave is a pain in the ass. I also miss permanent corpses.
>>340721267
still looks good to me. man, i fucking loved unreal and ut99 is still one of the best fps ever created
>>340721347
>no quicksaves in DOOM 4
what the fuck?
>>340721267
>Unreal has aged much better than Quake as well
not really. It looks like a bunch of tricks to show off 3d accelerator hardware and not good design. The intro level is pretty iconic though.
Was a cool game, but I honestly don't think the levels were very good, no matter the design intent. FPS levels are hard to do.
>>340719476
>>340719568
I haven't played either in a while so I can't really comment on the level design. The shotgun in shadow warrior is a lot cooler than the Duke shotgun though, the Uzis are fun to use, the shrink and freeze gun in Duke do the same shit and feel pretty gimmicky. The only really awesome gun in Duke is the automatic rocket launcher thing, everything else is kinda forgettable.
>>340720162
i want to fuck that rock
>>340719456
>I still want to know why there are strogg crates in quake1 levels
Because at the time, they weren't Strogg crates, they were Earth military crates. They just re-used the symbol later on for Q2 presumably due to a lack of imagination.
They re-used more than the symbol, too, which a lot of people forget- the Strogg bases in Q2 look very similar to graphically updated Q1 Base levels, especially ones that use the wall triangle pattern that's everywhere in Q1 Base.
>>340721480
Shrink ray, freezer and microwave expander were gimmick as fuck but they did not do the same thing
>>340721347
>It seems engines have gotten so "advanced" that they can't actually render such open levels which is why modern levels are checkpointed, leaving the previous areas unrendered.
no, that isn't how it works. just a consequence of fps being on consoles, which have no memory.
Doom 4 has bad levels, because enemy locations aren't statioinary. I really dislike enemies running all around me on the ceiling and shit-- it eliminates the point of level design and placing the enemy. The level just becomes a bunch of obstacles to run around.
I really, really dislike Doom 4 so much. le sigh.
>>340721536
I don't really get the same feeling from q2 as q1 base levels at all. It's entirely distinct.
Q1 base levels have this incredibly odd feel to them like it's a futuristic society that probably...is barely hanging on using black magic and shit. It seems like an already-ended world. Kinda dark souls ish.
Don't get that vibe whatsoever from Q2. Mostly industrial warzone during war. Doesn't seem mystical, dark, eldrich, magical, like the q1 base does. the triangle pattern does appear a lot in both games.
I know these fucking games so well that you can mention something like that and a 128x128 pcx file appears in my head.
Say, does anyone else here have an official id software CD with something they made on it? I DO! :)))
Quakebro would totally own Doomguy in a fight.
>>340720731
>I've never herad of your unsourced quote. I'm pretty sure it's canon that shamblers are furry. I remember the words "matted fur" used
I read it on some ancient Quaddicted thread iirc, can't find the bookmark but someone said they emailed so-and-so to ask if Shamblers had fur and he said they didn't.
I like the fuzzy hug-wanting Shambler interpretation more.
>how come a shamblers lightning bolt goes bdoododoodoo
because shut up, where we're shooting we don't need eyes
>>340721092
Quake 2 gets unfairly shat on but I love both 1 & 2 to death for different reasons.
>>340721328
>The multiplayer wasn't very good
You wot m8. The multiplayer innovated a lot and is the reason 3 was multiplayer-only. Hell the mods were fun as fuck too. I remember playing Action Quake 2 and simply camping around corners with the sawed-off.
>>340721267
Unreal Engine was the best 90's engine, both functionally and looks-wise.
>>340721267
shame about Glide though
>>340721992
Not really sure what it innovated. Was pathetically bad compared to Quake MP. Just fell flat. Only had one good level.
situation was somewhat remedied when CTF came out, never played anything but threewave again in q2. Overall just not the experience Q1 provided in multiplayer at all though
>>340721992
>best engine
>can't even into curves
wew lad
>>340706904
>When playing E2M3 as a deathmatch level, an item at coordinates '-1200 208 -106' falls out of the level, meaning Quake itself auto-cuts it from the map. It's a super nailgun, and is already close to another super nailgun that doesn't fall out.
that's really weird, looks like it crashes because of something the original engine would've handled fine.
>>340721242
cl_run 1
I wonder if Quake Ranger is part of the Blazkowicz family tree
I really want there to be another Quake game except done in the style of the first one, but combine all the elements to create a more cohesive universe. Just saying that the reason one level is futuristic and the next a Gothic castle is because they're different dimensions is kind of flimsy. They need to showcase the fact they're different dimensions more. Also integrate the style of Quake 2 and 4 into the greater Quake universe. It's lame to have games be part of the same series but so different.
>>340722245
I was gonna say it can into mirrors but I remembered Quake 3 has mirrors too. I keep forgetting Quake 3 was a 90's game because it certainly doesn't look like it. I concede on looks-part, but Unreal was more modular. Anyway have a tilting mirror.
>>340722450
See, this is exactly the conversation some dipshit executive would have before fucking the fucking game up.
How about this: leave well enough alone
there should never, ever be another quake game. Because there are no fucking mappers to map for it and it would be some goddamn high detail fucking shitfest like the new doom
>>340721792
That's fair.
>Q1 base levels have this incredibly odd feel to them like it's a futuristic society that probably...is barely hanging on using black magic and shit. It seems like an already-ended world. Kinda dark souls ish.
I get what you mean (I hope). Even if Earth and Mars and everywhere in between was getting overrun by demons through the course of Doom, you still see familiar things- computer rooms, lounge rooms, towns and cities (regardless of how shitty Doom 2 is or is not), the UAC logo everywhere, familiar things in general. Quake base levels just sort of... are. There's no mountainous skybox or city looming in the distance, just the endless blue void. Computers are hulking, beeping monstrosities of black metal and silver wires. There aren't even any windows most of the time, not that there's anything out there to look at.
Doom's explanation for hell-stuff is scientists using Hell to transport materials- Quake's story is even more barebones. Hell is a concept everyone knows- how do you make a slipgate to dimensions no one has even so much as imagined?
Also, grunts and commanders in Q1. Doom's zombiemen are dead people reanimated by demonic spirits possessing their bodies- Quake's human enemies are still very much human and aware (even capable of speech) just with the pleasure centers of their brains wired up to go off every time they get a kill.Just like us, the players?
>>340722526
Quake cannot do mirrors. The mirror in the start room of quake 3 is faked
>>340722331
is not an actual command
if you meant autorun, run speed vs walk speed is only a thing when moving forwards
>>340722620
>Just like us, the players?
yep! remember thinking the same thing lol
you hit on the head. Quake's base levels hit a type of aesthetic that I've never seen in any game. I fucking love the gigantic beeping computers and stuff..kinda makes you wonder
are they already in hell, in a way? maybe some kind of silent hill type altered reality where they don't even realize how fucked up things are...that mystery is one of the things I really really love about this game. I wish I could still feel this way about games.
>>340722650
Really? I actually wondered whether or not it was fake while making that post I never actually looked into it before. Well Unreal has true mirrors then.
>>340701413
>>340701980
>>340704196
The only objective problem with Quake is the lack of music on the GOG release.
>>340722956
Music is easily patched back in with unofficial patches you would need anyway.
>>340722956
Steam too. I wonder if it's a problem with licensing, like they had with GTA San Andreas.
My only problem with Quake is that the enemies blend into the environment a little too much
>>340722938
yeah, it's literally a reversed copy of the room, a one-off rendering trick, and an entity that copies the player.
Because of the nature of BSP mapping, stuff like mirrors or portals was just incredibly demanding on CPU until 3drealms wrote special support for it into the prey engine. Unreal uses an entirely different approach to mapping, which excels at portals and shit.
>>340721876
Ranger is more durable (red armor, anyone?) and more nimble, but Doomguy has more powerful weaponry unless Ranger has a Quad Damage in which case Doomguy is fucked.
Unless you're counting Q3, in which case Doomguy is stronger. Counting that though means all the oddities with the stories for Ranger and Wrack- despite the info for Ranger saying he's gone a bit looney, his ingame taunts are nothing but plain Marine stuff that barely mentions Cthulhu and friends, while Wrack is supposedly another slipgate explorer (there's more than one?) who experienced the things that Ranger actually did, like fighting Shub-Niggurath.
>>340723109
>I wonder if it's a problem with licensing
No. Quake's music is owned by id software so if you license quake you license the music.
Quake's music is cd audio only so they simply didn't build in support for it by using a source port. you get the original executables
>>340723182
>which excels at portals and shit.
Yep. Again which is why UE1 is best, functionality-wise. Also
>being able to customize HUD
>being able to customize everything about bots
>mutators
>setting menus per mod/mutator
UT's inherent modularity was a labor of love, and it's extent of modularity is basically extinct. I highly doubt UT4 is gonna come close despite being open source.
>>340723109
iirc the music was only included on the game disc, which is why Quake 1 & 2 have options to play music off whatever CD is in the drive. It's not a licensing issue, I doubt Trent Reznor would give a shit about it.
>>340723182
Prey was really cool
>>340723540
no doubt. it took some serious work to make shit like that happen.
it was expected to sell like...literally 10x as many copies as it did. :(
>>340722805
Big beepy computers are a great way to take up a certain amount of space while telling the player there are SCIENCEY THINGS going on. HL1 does the same thing with its giant reel to reel computers and punch-card terminals.
Another thing about a world on the verge of death- consider the player's weaponry. Doomguy gets a chaingun and multiple types of plasma and energy weapons, as well as powered armor (and an enclosed helmet!), night vision goggles, a portable computer- Ranger's arsenal mostly consists of stuff you can get at Home Depot, and the only 'fancy' weapon he gets- the Thunderbolt- looks like it was jury-rigged together in a blacksmith's shop and is only found deep in the depths of the dimensions he travels to.
>are they already in hell, in a way? maybe some kind of silent hill type altered reality where they don't even realize how fucked up things are
Completely possible. That's the fun thing- pretty much anything is possible because you're dealing with the Old Ones instead of Lucifer's underlings. Is the whole game Ranger going nuts and shooting everything he sees, with the tentaclebeasts calling out to him being represented by his trek through the levels? What happened to the rest of the fucking planet?
>>340723532
>tfw if q1 had supported crazy portal shit like that we could have had truly lovecraftian non-euclidean mapping with rooms being bigger on the inside and shit
The closest thing is how completely fucked up Quake's sense of scale is. Enemies and the player are midgets because some of them were intended to be stretched vertically like with Doom, and some of the maps are squashed for the same reason- yet other parts of maps are designed to be looked at 1:1 and become too tall when stretched.
>>340722580
Calm down.
>>340724218
He's right
>>340723657
damn, its good to finally talk to someone who understands quake after like 8 years of /v/
now i can die in peace. Being 14 when quake came out, and getting on the internet the year before was just...magic.
>>340705524
great for saving up on ammo when you pick up a quad or dealing with the hitscanner grunts
>>340724648
>now i can die in peace.
That's what you think.That's what you hope.
who /arcanedimensions/ here
>>340725058
Don't worry, I know precisely what to do if they come for me.
>>340725146
AD is tons of fun but goddamn is the map quality all over the place. Cruical Error and Bogbottom can fuck right off, doubly so because they're two of the maps with runes in them.
Hopefully the new maps coming out this summer will be on the level of Brick Disorder and Necromancer's Keep.
>>340725439
I did like Crucial Error, but yeah it's one of the weaker ones. The really great thing about it though is how all the new things feel right.
The new enemies, which are mostly wizards, look like they actually belong in Quake. Changing the shotguns to shoot projectiles instead of hitscanning is great too.
>>340725560
The new enemies are from Hexen, IIRC. Hexen 2 in particular given that it runs on the Quake engine.
Cruical was alright I guess but it felt like it dragged on way, way too long and the whole unmarked vent to get the other things to get the rune was super lame, and the author did the exact same thing with Bogbottom (hiding the macguffins to get the rune until you've triggered them to appear), unlike what the author of lavamountain did (leave the bones and hint books around for the player to find before they've started the knight's quest, that way they know there's something to be looking for).
The projectile shotguns are pretty neat as is the Widowmaker triple barrel, and thankfully the map design rarely left me wishing for a midrange hitscan weapon.
>>340701072
Overall, quake is always better than doom in all aspect including MP mode.
Doom is basically a stepping stone of the dev team to make something more awesome. You don't linger in the past, so you can create something new.
Doom 2 is fucking dogshit, and I personally hate the super shotgun since it ruined the perfect balance from the 1st game
Doom 1 is perfection because even though Sandy did most of the level design after episode 1, he still made relatively good maps and levels, and then he COMPLETELY SHAT THE BED in doom 2.
Some of the maps in Doom 2 seriously feel like shitposts in how offensively bad they are. So yes, Quake 2 is easily better than Doom 2, but that's not very hard
>>340719378
Rail gun is pretty powerful well in the redux version
>>340723652
too bad it's a corridor shooter after corridor shooters weren't impressive anymore
>>340726294
yeah, for all the technology, it ended up making the game very corridorey. didn't work out well.
i also severely disliked my first taste of "you cannot die at all" game mechanic
>this thread
>>340726473
WEEBS
OOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
I think we can all agree that this was the best of thethreeexpansion packs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dua2Oqpd8h0&index=3
>>340726396
id tech 4 really couldn't handle anything besides corridor shooters, unfortunately. landscapes were said to be near impossible to do well due to lighting issues. there's a reason you no id tech 4 games really did anything with landscapes until id had implemented megatextures for terrain in idtech 4.5 with ETQW
>>340726574
You just proved their point.
>>340726725
Quake 4 had some fuckhueg maps, think again.
>>340726698three?
but yeah scourge was way better than disssectilutilutuantionalision of eternity
>>340726817
they used a lot of design tricks to pull that off
>>340726763
And you'll respond to literally anything on 4chan apparently
also
>her
>>340727241
:^)
The reason I don't like Quake is the guns.
They just don't feel as good as the Doom guns to me, and enemies don't react in a satisfying manner, probably due to limitations of early 3D.
If they made an HD version like Serious Sam I think I would like the games a lot more.
Q2 almost managed to have better guns, but none of them had a muzzle flash and that bothered the hell out of me
>>340727868you are going to love E3
>>340728272
fuck off todd, don't ruin quake for me
>>340728320
Prepare for upgrade systems, battle arenas, and sick nasty finishers.
>>340728704
our plans are more devious than that.
>no strafe jumping of any sort
>air control limited to a decelerated arc
>rocketjumping will not harm you
>a qte boss
>>340701413
>>shit level design
DOOM2 in a nutshell
Strafe is still at least half year away so
Could you anons recommend me games like Prey, Quake and such to play until then?
>>340725146
I wish it was a real episode and not a bunch of shotgun starts thrown together. It is amazingly unsatisfying to play so many maps in a row where you have almost no chance to use the fun weapons.
>Only played DOOM 1, 2, 64 and NuDOOM
>Decide to buy DOOM 3
What the fuck is this? Where did DOOM go? Why am I playing a bad Half-Life rip off?
>>340729409
doom 3 was an interesting (and very well done) experiment in creating environment. unfortunately that didn't make it a fun game. treat doom 3 as a walking simulator with guns and it makes a lot more sense. it's still an impressive thing in that regard
>>340729409
>Buy game notorious for not being even slightly Doom-like
>It's not Doom! wtf?
>>340729028
reflex is like cpma only unfinished and more casualized
unreal tournament 4 is turning out alright but is a step down from unreal tournament 2k4
overload is something to look forward to as a modern descent clone made by the same developers, its open beta is enjoyable
tribes ascend is basically a free2play remake of tribes vengeance with slightly worse everything
devil daggers is an enjoyable arcadey game but it is very basic (which works fine but might not be your cup of tea)
wrack is enjoyable but its still unfinished and extremely short, two episodes long with the boss unbeatable
rats instagib is fun if you really like instagib games which ive grown apart from. levels are like unreal tournament bedrooms and cool shit
disco dodgeball looks absolutely fun but feels like one of those games id play an hour and then never pick up again
lovely planet is a good speedrun game with a more upbeat theme than the rest
>>340728935
>a qte boss
Well not like that would be a huge step down from the bosses in Q1.
Better multiplayer.
Can we all agree that the absolute worst of DOOM is actuallyThy Flesh Consumed
>>340729952
>Thy Flesh Consumed
get the fuck out of here, scrub
>>340729726
>a step down from unreal tournament 2k4
>No more retarded doublejump
>No more crappy AR
>No more shitty small characters
>No more gameplay based around vehicles gimmick that fucked the gamemodes UT used to be known for.
It's already more Unreal than UT2004 ever was.
>>340729028
avp 1 and 2
>>340730084
>He defends Perfect Hatred
>>340730382
Perfect Hatred would be fine if it were the seventh level instead of the fucking second one, and enemy placements/numbers were reduced slightly for Hurt Me Plenty
>>340730149
oh yeah because the new pistol is so much better. just because its different doesn't mean it is bad. it is the fastest of the series and all the weapons feel great. i really like the double jumping. i think ut4 is turning out great, but again i don't think its as fun as ut2k4 yet, and also the paid mods was a bad idea (no matter how much i want to game to succeed this was an awful idea)
>>340730635
second level is fucking awesome
>>340729535
They basically took an action game and because you fought monsters assumed that they were making a horror game. Except they only had one kind of scare and literally nothing else.
But hey at least the GRAFFIX look cool!! lol technology! Except all they did was make grey hallways and almost nothing else.
I heard Resurrection of Evil was actually good however. The problem is that you've probably already become sick and tired of Doom 3 even before the first playthough was even over so you might not ever give it a chance. They had their chance. YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE AND YOU BLEW IT.
>>340730382
Is that e4m2? It's a good map. A manly map for manly men.
>>340729535
I forget, did they make DOOM 3 or the DOOM movie first? Because they use the same monster designs.
>>340705969
>>340712906
>>340728987
DOOM II has some fantastic levels, though it has some absolutely awful ones too (like Chasm and Barrels o' Fun)
>>340707637
Some people just can't dodge, nor do they know how to properly stunlock enemies apparently.
>>340711193
Don't leave out the Mancubus. Very specific dodge pattern.
>>340731783
I actually prefer Chasm over any of the City levels. DOOM II fucking nosedived until we got back to hell.
>>340731573
Doom 3 came out first, by a few years if I remember right.
Also I really enjoyed Doom 2016, despite the flaws it was a fun shooter. Also Doom 64 has the shittiest final boss I've ever seen in a game, like goddamn.
>>340732305
Some of the city levels were pretty good though. Level 12 and 15 are fucking great.
How you can prefer the tedium that is Chasm over those is beyond me.
Also, daily reminder that TNT Evilution has the best ost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riFo0xd6jG8
Is there any reason why Doom 2 doesn't feel like a true sequel but more of a mission pack? Why wasn't it slammed in reviews at the time?
>>340730952
>>340731398
i'm glad i'm not the only one who loves Perfect Hatred, surprised to see the hate for it here
that map was some real shit
>>340733839
one of the biggest reasons it feels like that for me is there's no cool map at the end of every level, just that single background texture, it's fucking lame
>>340712906
Dowtown is a cool map
>>340733839
>Why wasn't it slammed in reviews at the time?
Because for most people it was the first time they could buy DOOM.
DOOM 1 was only available via mail order aside from Episode 1 that was released as shareware. It wasn't until Ultimate DOOM in 1995 that it got an actual retail release.
DOOM 2 was an actual commercial release from it's initial release in 1994.
It was a lot more convenient to buy DOOM 2 than DOOM. So a lot more people got to experience it.
>>340733839
The reason is because the gameplay is the same shit they only added few monsters and SSG and honestly if not for the fact that vast majority of megawads are made for D2 it would be forgotten and dead.
>>340706327
Romero ended up working at a gas station? so this is the power of Daikatana...
>>340723532
You're right about the cd playback. When I was in high school I really liked white zombie. Astrocreep 2000 is the soundtrack to Quake 1 as far as I recall because I only had a pirated copy. I actually quite like Nine Inch Nails but thats just how it played out.
>>340726473
Someone didn't read it. The opening topic is questionable but a lot of the discussion has actually been quite good.
DOOM threads are always civil
>>340701072
in terms of level design quake 1 actually sucked, but quake 2 was pretty good
anyway
multiplayer - quake live / quake 1 / zdoom
sp - brutal doom / doom 2 > ultimate doom > vanilla doom > quake 2 > quake 1 >>> shit >>>quake 4 > doom 3
>>340735541
Fuck you.
>>340735942
>in terms of level design quake 1 actually sucked, but quake 2 was pretty good
How can anyone be this wrong in one sentence.
Chocolate doom
Yay or Nay?
>>340736920
GZdoom is the best port being this vanilla is retarded Romero himself even said he likes mouselook so I don't know why players themselves are so butthurt about it.
>Replaying Quake
>Just got to Pain Maze
>SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT
>>340735942
>brutal doom best sp
>quake 2 better than quake 1
Excuse you
>>340735942
>quake 1 level design sucked
>brutal doom / doom 2 > ultimate doom > vanilla doom
>>340707283
There is some color in quake. But there is also a extreme amount of piss/earth color everywhere for all the tiles.
I am not sure if most of the color is lacking to get the light system working, or if they just didn't have good color palettes to add saturation somewhere.
I think the best accomplishment in Quake is that since everything is Earth like, everything thats a different color, stands out a lot. Like the rust and blood red. Or the pink sky. Or the metal pillars.
>>340735942
this is the worst post ive ever seen on \v\
Don't know about better or not, but Quake had some of the best and creepiest enemy designs. Pic especially related.
So was anyone from the original DOOM team involved in NuDOOM?
Both Carmack's left. Romero left. Sandy left. Hall left.
It's amazing that it turned out as good as it did.
>>340711534
Once you can go past 20-30 colors, and have dithering, there simply exist no limitations any more.
A lot of the Quake palette is intentionally shitty. So that Runes, Glowing tiles, Shamblers and explosions stands out, by a lot.
>>340737842
>It's amazing that it turned out as good
yeah dude i love painkiller and brootal memes
>>340737842
Kevin Cloud. He modeled for Doomguy's arms and made art assets for id games starting Doom.
What's the level with the tombstones? The Pain Maze? Jesus fuck that creeped me out when I saw it- what is a human construction doing in a lovecraftian world?
>>340738185
Elder God Shrine, I think.
>>340713837
tfw Rage killed the bloodline
>>340738051
>brootal memes
kill yourself.
>>340701413
>>shit level design
>>340739001
You mean glory kill yourself
>>340739402
I-is pic related a girl? Men don't have nipples this THIQUE
>Quakers need to shill their autism simulator because no one else wants to play with a bunch of 40 year old NEETs that shitpost other FPS games because it isn't quake
>>340709595
I've played Quake 1 since I was a kid and it really fucking rocks. Along with Red Alert, Ceasar 3 and Dungeon Keeper, these are the games that defined my childhood.
>>340709595
Quake feels like 3D Doom but grimdark.
Why Quake is dead and Doom is alive despite being less technologically advanced?
>>340740950
Because doom is actually fun, unlike quake
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