Speaking as someone who loved the first game, and doesn't know shit about crowdfunding or any of the drama that's been going on with Double Fine, I truly hope this is a good game.
That said, what are the chances it will be good?
>>340692902
No. Run. Bad. The first one was shit.
>>340693142
Gr8 b8 m8
>>340692902
Tim Schafer is just going to take the money and run. The Psychonauts 2 scam will be his finest work yet and he'll retire from the money he stole through the crowdfunding.
Hard to tell. An heavily ignored but major important part about artistic mediums like vidya, film,cartoons and etc. is the handling of money.
The problem with artists and many crowdfunding project artist is that these people simply don't understand how to appropriately divide the money and how to fund it. You could have millions of dollars to spend and waste half of it on celebrity voice acting. Not to mention too much freedom with no implemented deadlines could lead to a lot of pointless reworking or plain laziness.
The artist makes the magic but the accountant is the one who knows how much magic is possible.
>>340693365
sleep tight porker
>>340692902
Putting aside
>3.3 million
Its honestly not looking too good. Since going the crowd funding route Double Fine has been dropping in quality. Spacebase DF9 is literally an alpha pretending to be a finished game, Broken Age was a disappointment, Costume Quest 2 was also a disappointment, Massive Chalice had some interesting ideas but was still just a shallow XCOM clone, although its nice to be able to play Grim Fandango on a modern computer without having to jump through a shitton of hoops to make it stable the game is still buggy, and the remaster of Day of the Tentacle was pointless.
Best case scenario Psychonauts 2 is gonna be decent but no where near as good as the first game. Worst case scenario its a Gearbox-tier shitshow only with LOL SO QUIRKY XD humor instead of memes.
>>340693420
>You could waste all the money on celebrities
No. Anon. Goddamnit. No.
What happens with large-scale projects like this is that you need to know what can be benefited by additional man hours and what can't, and you need to lay out a plan so you don't accidentally bottle-neck your project and wind up paying huge overages while you wait for a clog in the pipeline. If one programmer can do something in four hours, two programmers can't then do the same thing in two hours by working together - in fact they may slow each other down if coordination is bad. That's why amateurs often waste substantial amounts of money. It's not because they spent it on hookers and blow.
That said, absolutely everything about the Psychonauts 2 crowdfunding project is notoriously shady. Most of it reads like a scam, all the promises being made are tied to shell companies and likely won't materialize because the shell companies will cease to exist as soon as they're called on to meet their obligations. So no, no it probably won't be a good game.
>>340692902
I think that expecting it to be as good as the original would be setting myself up for disappointment.
But It's such a fun concept and I've always lamented that they never had a chance to make more. So even if it's half as interesting as the first Psychonauts, I'll still be glad that they got the chance to make it.
I am willing to gamble everything on this game being cancelled.
Tim Schafer can not manage a project.
There's no way this game will be on the level of the first one.
You'll be waiting into the 2020s if Double Fine seriously wanted this game a true sequel.
Either way, Tim will go broke trying to finish this turkey and will ransack some funding body or panhandle for more money.
Mark these words: Psychonauts 2 will not see the light of day.
Doesn't matter if its good or not, Scott C. and P. Chan are doing the art again, so everything is ok.
>>340694095
Whether or not it compares to the quality of the first, I doubt that they'd just completely cancel it.
>>340692902
Is Erik Wolpaw involved?
>>340694791
fuck yeah
>>340694791
Yep. Gabe's letting him go help write it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFX0f_YUn1I
>>340693626
>Spacebase DF9 is literally an alpha pretending to be a finished game
But anon, early access wasn't bringing in a steady stream of profitable income right through to (and past) release, so why even bother working on it? That's how it works, right? I put out a half finished product and you pay me every month as if it was finished, until I finish it and you pay me again.
All the money this game is going to get isn't going to be shown in the end product.
Expect a hamfisted "problematic gamers"/"problematic social issue" message too.
I miss platformers. And I miss games built around comedic and/or psychological undertones.
I'm intrigued at the very least.
Reminder that the first one is currently on PSN.
>>340697028
I'm tempted, but I heard the PS2 version had issues.
Tim Schafer might have had some kind of talent at some point, but now he's just a social "justice" maniac who accuses minorities of being white men when they disagree with him. I absolutely guarantee that Psychonauts 2, regardless of overall quality, will be tarnished by some cringe-worthy anti-GamerGate joke.
>>340692902
Practically Zero.
There's a psychonauts 2? Holy shit.
>>340697347
It's a whiles out yet, but it' a thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcVz5uwqTvA
Tim Schafer is fucking terrible at managing money. His involvement can only hurt the project. I have no faith that it'll be as good but if it surprises everyone then great. Not counting on it though.
>>340697204
Do people still care about gamergate? I mean, aside from the major personalities who profit from and depend on that shit like Brianna Wu and Milo. Tim Schafer was just one of dozens of people who naively bought into the media narrative that the journalists cooked up when people started pointing fingers at them. I don't think he was ever a major character in the whole thing, so why would he still care?
>>340693365
sleep tight porker
>>340693365
sleep tight porker
>>340698124
Why is Lili a psychonaut? She's just a kid with no accomplishments. Raz became one from saving the camp and proving himself.
>>340700746
>Why is Lili a psychonaut?
She's not, as far as I know. But she's earned her merit badges and her father's apparently the grand head of the Psychonauts. Girl has connections.
Hoping for some more subtle nightmare fuel.
>>340701756
Boo for nepotism.
Are they bringing back all or most of the kids?
Are they going to age them up?
I hope not.
Here's hoping for more Vernon stories.
>>340702762
Work with what you got.
Though it hasn't actually gotten her promoted yet.
>>340693365
sleep tight porker
Reminder that this still exists after all of it got removed from Myspace.
http://www.doublefine.com/campster/
tims taken crowd funding to a new level of kikery for psychonauts 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFX0f_YUn1I
>>340703015
Don't know who all will show up again, but I think they're focusing more on new side-characters now that things have moved away from the summer camp.
I'll miss the DJ and pyromaniac drummer.
>>340693365
sleep tight porker
>>340703459
>Some of our hearts are big, and some are small, and some of them are dark, and still, and stopped beating long ago, and yet somehow we manage to slog through this shadow puppet theater day in and day out, waiting for the merciful velvet curtain of death.
>Right! And some of us can roll our tongues into a tube and some of us can't!
kek I remember these. Loved how twisted the dialogue for the two cheerleaders got.
>>340699382
Considering that Tim and Anita are good friends I'd have to say yes.
I liked the first game but 2 is going to suck.
Tim Sczhaffenstein is going to bolt with everyone's money and then claim they need more and run another campaign, just you wait and see.
If reviews say it's really good, like 10/10 good then I'll give it a chance. If reviews are average I'll pass, not worth ruining my good memories of the first.
>>340693365
sleep tight, porker
>>340693365
Sleep tight, porker.
Tim has proven to be terrible at action games. It seems that he realizes this, and hasn't made a action oriented game in a while now, as well as fixing the meat circus in the steam release of psychonauts, so who knows what could happen to the sequal.
I sort of see him in the same like as Chris Roberts. Both made awesome games 20 years ago then failed when went independent. Tim failed to a lesser degree than chris, and still stayed in the industry though. Now, both are racking in the money based on past reputation, while people ignore their recent failures. At least Tim has shown to actually release his games.
I'm quite fond of the 2 Player Productions documentaries. Shows that the team doesn't just drop off the face of the Earth with the money they get. They record the process, warts and all.
I'm just hoping we get to see more of Agent Vodello.
All I know is the game better not be loaded up with FUCKING figments in every little dark corner of the levels!
I just want more Mila lewds. Is that so much to ask?
>>340706263
What about more Lili lewds?
There's no possible way this will be good, and you could tell the second the expected goal was literally "3.3 million dollars."
Nigger 3.3 million dollars could only make one half of a shitty adventure game, why the fuck does anyone think that it would be enough to fund a game that would live up to Psychonaughts?
And a good chunk of the public seemed to understand, too, seeing how it took multiple extensions before Tim got his money.
>>340706330
I could give two shits about her. I need more disco hips.
>>340706462
The fig page states that it's not where they're getting the entirety of the game's budget.
Glad it's using UE4 at least.
>>340706462
Could just be the same deal as with shenmue 3; crowd funding to gauge public interest and then some investor pays for the rest of the development once goal is reached.
I don't actually follow DF's finances though.
>>340706724
But does it say if the fig donations are the minority investment, or the majority investment?
>>340706824
>just another platformer
booring, fall aslep while playing
>>340693365
"sleep tight porker"
>>340697128
Voice acting glitches and framerates issues. Guess that's why it's half the price of a normal ps2 classic.
I want this sequel to be good so badly. The video they released today has the designer saying he wants mostly to polish the gameplay and have more unique stages. Here's hoping to another Black Velvetopia.
>>340700746
>She's just a kid with no accomplishments.
She has 'no accomplishments' when Raz is around because she's already gone and done everything. That's the whole point of her character, she's bored because she's above it all before he comes around and shakes shit up.
>>340706845
The Fig investment's planned to make up less than half of the estimated budget according to he main page.
>>340703015
>Vernon still trying to tell his story as he gets sucked out the door of an airplane
>>340707681
Well, according to my looking up the budget for the first game, the budget was between 11 and 15 million dollars.
So if they can convince investors to triple the amount given to them on Fig, then they have enough money to match a 2005 game. Keep in mind, games budgets have inflated since then, so that amount probably wouldn't be enough to create a sequel that's fully better than the first.
What are the odds of that? After fucking up with two games out of three so far, critically and sales wise, will investors go for them?
>>340703015
I hope they just continue right were the 100% ending leaves off.
>>340704067
>>340693716
Yeah Ill be happy with any sequel good or bad just to see another game in the setting. I think a big part of the charm was the summer camp for psychic kids though.
Summer Camp is such an underused comfy vidya setting in general.
Theyll be pretty pressed to make an overworld as comfy as Whispering Rock was.
If I make a game that is incredibly similar to another gsme, but obviously made by me... Could I get sued?
>>340708715
Mighty No. 9 is a thing, so as long as you change the names and claim that all characters and events are purely fictional and don't represent anyone else, I don't see why not.
>>340693365
Sleep tight, Porker
>>340694095
Psychonauts 2 is the reason for everything Double Fine has done up till now. But yeah, they're definitely gonna cancel it. Now, shouldn't someone with your immense business experience be busy running a fortune 500 company or something? What are you doing here with us peasants?
>>340708069
I'm still surprised that Sony backed them up on Rhombus of Ruin, so who knows?
Maybe the experience built over the years and improvements in technology count for something, or maybe we'll always be grasping at nostalgia goggles. I'd still like to see what they can come up with.
>>340708715
How incredibly similar is incredibly similar? Generally there's no laws against making a game with the same mechanics as another game- there've been tons and tons of 'almost not quite' games like that. Hell, FPS's used to be called 'Doom Clones' for several years because so many of them used the doom engine or a derivative and did the exact same gameplay style without ever trying to mix it up.
But reusing characters or settings from something else is a no-no (unless it's like dungeons and dragons or something). That's why fan games get shut down more often then not. Knockoff characters are fine, though.
>>340693365
sleep tight porker
>>340696561
No, if people aren't buying your game in early access then it's a good barometer for how many people are going to buy it when it's done. Thats what early access is, it's a way to see if people even want the game you're working on. If you're in the early stages of a project that is potentially going to cost a few million dollars and you realize nobody actually wants the end-product, do you really think it's smart to keep that project running?
>>340693365
sleep tight porker.
>>340708352
>Theyll be pretty pressed to make an overworld as comfy as Whispering Rock
Seconded. I loved wandering the campsite and following all the weird character arcs of the different campers.
I imagine that they're going full Spy HQ for the next hub world, but at least they still have Peter McConnell doing the soundtrack. That was a staple of the atmosphere.
>>340709396
That's bs tho. Releasing a buggy barley finished alpha version of a game and wonder why you aren't getting mad sales is asinine.
>>340705963
>>340709396
Anon, it's not that people didn't buy it, it's that they didn't have a steady stream of sales coming in every single month to the point where they were making a healthy profit off it. Early access is supposed to be a way to get some extra funding while also getting some beta testers playing your game for free, it is not supposed to be a way to generate steady profit with a half finished product.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/246090/discussions/0/613936673464943075/
>>340693365
Sleep tight porker
>>340693365
sleep tight porker
>>340692902
There is a girl protagonist, so likely it will be just pandering.
>>340708315
>Crystal's canonically a sailor mouth
>>340708218
It won't. The first game ended with the kidnapping of the head of the Psychonauts, the teaser shown for Psychonauts 2 says there are multiple "hostages"
>>340693365
Sleep tight porker.
I have a PS4 and og Xbox. Any real difference betweeen versions?
>>340711818
>There is a girl protagonist
Hate to break it to ya
>>340712431
The PS2 and xbox versions, you mean? Xbox was the original, PS2 was a port, and not a particularly good one if I remember correctly. PC was also a port but that one works fine.
>>340708218
they announced some PSVR thing to explain what happened after the first game
I don't know what they just don't expand on that since it's perfect for a sequel
I backed this game at 100 dollars
i'm sitll excited
>>340693365
A genius way for inflating your thread, OP
>>340712431
For the first game?
I think the PS2 version might have had some issues with stuttering, but I don't know how much they've updated for the PS4. 360 ran the Xbox version alright, minus a color glitch that could appear on Raz's outfit.
The Steam version's probably had the most wrinkles ironed out.
>>340712740
Why would you ever do that?
Even if you do love Psychonauts, which I understand, how can you look at what Double Fine has done so far, especially with their last crowdfunded product, but also with their early access projects, and expect for that to turn out well?
I'm not asking sarcastically, I really want to know how you can trust them.
>>340693365
Derail attempt aside, I don't think he can do that. I'm pretty sure Kickstarter has rules that you have to deliver at least some sort of product.
That being said it will still be disappointing. God the video game industry is shit these days.
>>340713221
But it was funded through fig, not kickstarter
>>340713221
Oh, two things to tell you, anon.
First off, you are right about Kickstarter. They have to give SOMETHING in return, and if they don't, then the person who took the money is open to lawsuits.
But second off, Tim knew that, so he made his OWN site (Or one of his friends did, someone he knows owns Fig) and got money through that instead.
So he has NO real obligations.
>broken age act 2
What in the fuck seriously happened.
I am very worried they fuck up Psychonauts 2.
>>340713012
Not him and I didn't back this game, but I was very tempted to. And you wanna know why? Because as much of a gamble this really is, even a slim chance of this sequel to Psychonauts being on the same level as the original, I don't blame anyone for giving money to help make that happen. I'd hope people have an idea of what they might possibly be getting into after the fiascos behind Broken Age's development, but if you are willing to accept the risks and are ready to handle such disappointment if need be, more power to you because what's at stake here is worth the risk.
>>340692902
>what are the chances it will be good?
What are the fucking chances it will be released?
>>340707610
I meant real accomplishments, not merit badges from some sleep away camp.
>>340713012
Different anon, but $40 dollars tier for a copy of Psychonauts 1 and 2?
I've ended up paying more money for worse.
>>340713657
I guess I see why you may want something like that, but I just don't see there being an actual possibility anymore.
The Tim Schafer from 2005 is not the same man as the Tim from 2015. He doesn't have the same soul, and he doesn't have anyone to keep him in check.
If he does end up making it, and it's good, then that would be amazing, I agree. But I don't see there being any chance of him pulling it off.
If Double Fine was a horse in a race, the track wouldn't even take bets on them anymore.
>>340693365
sleep tight porker
>>340700746
She was talented as far as I remember it, and she helped Raz at the end of the game. Plus the whole set up for a sequel they teased in the original involved finding her dad or something so she's tagging along.
>>340713654
It's a shame, I actually liked the first act even though it was mostly pretty easy. But not only is it clear they decided to overcompensate super hard with for the puzzles in act two (that tree joke was borderline RNG), ending felt unbelievably flaccid after all the build-up.Vella was cute though.
>>340693365
sleep tight porker
>>340713441
>>340713502
>made his own kickstarter site
There were a lot of red flags with Psychonauts 2. But that was one of the biggest.
>>340693365
Sleep tight porker.
>>340713848
>sleep away camp
She can set people on fire with her mind.
>>340712431
ps2 version looks a little rougher, and the loadtimes are longer. I guess there are glitches too but i dont remember.
the xbox version is waaaay better and honestly made me appreciate the game alot more. I think the xbox controller helped make it a better experience too.
>>340693365
sleep tight porker
>>340704067
>>340708315
So was Crystal into getting choked out by Clem while they fucked or vice versa?
>>340692902
high.
>implying the first game was good
>>340693365
Sleep tight Porker.
>>340700746
Isn't the entire point of the camp to train young psychics to see if any of them have the potential to become a Psychonaut? If I am remembering that right, I also think I remember Lili being the best among the campers before Raz showed up.
>>340693365
sleep tight porker
>>340695286
WHY THE FUCK HER FUCKING EYE IS MISALIGNED.
I WANT THIS GAME TO BE PERFECT, BUT THIS FUCKING THING NEEDS TO BE FIXED IMMEDIATELY. FUCKING NOW.
FUCK
FUCK
FUCK
I'M SO FUCKING MAD RIGHT NOW
I WANT TO SHOOT UP GABEN OR WHATEVER THAT ONE FAT FAGGOT IS CALLED
>>340713654
how come the grandpa just didn't talk, had they fired the voice actor?
>>340719358
But Psychonauts is choke full with shit like that, what the fuck are you even on?
>>340719578
This, there's a lot of asymmetry in the characters of the game. I always felt it was meant to invoke a stop motion sort of style.A Psychonauts movie done by Laika would be potentially amazing.
>>340693365
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