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So what are the chances this is going to suck?
It's post ME3
It'll suck
>>340692053
its going to be shit
>>340692053
100%
I'm assuming it's going to just be a Halo clone now, though.
>>340692053
560%
but drones and people who don't know/care will eat it up in droves anyway. so fuck it video games are shit
>>340692053
It's going to suck harder than Tali trying to drink thru her mask.
I love Dragon Age and Mass Effect. I even enjoyed Inquisition despite its many, many glaring faults (fuck Corephyus and Sola's). I think ME3 was the best of the series and if they hadn't shat the bed at the end it would be a top 10 game of all time.
But it would take an idiot not to see the pattern and realise Andromeda will have the worst parts of ME3 and Inquisition (shitty *open world exploration*, forced romances that override characters for the sake of MUH HEADCANON and MUH SHIPPING, the absolute disregard they'll show for the canon) and none of the good parts (Combat in both games is amazing, they can do meaningful quests and characters when they're not forcing agendas and certain characters).
This game will unfortunately be a trainwreck. I'm hoping they literally copy/paste ME3's multiplayer though because it was fucking brilliant
Fuck I hate Bioware. They just keep fucking me over.
>>340692053
> Bioware
I think the better question is, will there be anything good about it.
>>340692961
it can't be worse than mass effect 3?right?
I'll be the optimistic one for the thread.
I give it a 90% chance of being shit.
>>340693076
>it can't be worse than mass effect 3?
Heh
I hate Bioware and what became of Mass Effect as much as the next anon, but get fucking real. You'll buy it/pirate it. I'll buy it/pirate it. Just to hate some more.
>>340692053
medium to high risk. I felt Inquisition had a lot of good stuff in there I enjoyed but was just so overstuffed with dumb shit that its not worth another play through.
Either they learn from that or don't is the big factor.
depends on the Multiplayer
as long as it's like 3 it'll be worth it
You know what really bothers me about Bioware? That they seem to be completely disconnected from reality. They don't understand their audience, they don't understand their games, and they don't even understand the difference between good/bad writing. All of their press statements clearly show they can't take constructive criticism at all, and take all feedback as personal insults instead.
How the fuck do these people write RPGs? It doesn't make sense, because ME has some brilliant storytelling (e.g., Mordin, one of the best written characters in the history of video games). I can only assume that its the people at the top that are retarded, like Mac Walters, and there are some actual intelligent people at the bottom who grit their teeth and work around his bullshit. It's completely tragic, and I feel sorry for those 2-3 guys who are constantly held back by this shit company. They should do like what anime studios do, and form their own company which can focus on actually creating good shit.
are we back yet
After 2 and 3?
It has a 100% chance of sucking.
>>340693428
Honestly hoping it doesn't have multiplayer...
Multiplayer killed the fucking series and took up WAY too much time the dev's could've spent on a better campaign.
The disappointment of ME3s ending and subsequent mishandling still feels so fresh. I think I'll still be too salty to give it a chance to even see how it is.
>>340692868
The possibility of Andromeda being modeled after Inquisition is what worries me. I like the concept of a big world to explore, but not if it means sacrificing quest diversity for the sake of endless fetch quests.
>>340692053
I want to be optimistic since I liked all the ME games, even 3. But the chances are pretty high. The fucking lead writer unironically has one of those "White male tears" coffee mugs Im pretty sure.
The question isn't if it'll suck, the question is if it's even gonna fucking come out.
>>340692053
It won't suck, it won't be great.
Dragon Age: Inquisition: Mass Effect
>>340692053
>No Javik
>No buy
>>340693689
The multiplayer was entirely tacked on and was barren until BioWare actually got some freedom from EA to work on it.
The MP was by far the best part of 3.
If it's origin exclusive on PC forget it.
>>340694257
No one from the original trilogy will be in the new game.
>>340694632
Who said you need Origin?
>>340692868
I'm basically on the same boat as you minus the enjoying Inquisition part. I'm cautiously optimistic about ME:A since we haven't seen any actual definitive gameplay of the game, although I feel like if the game decides to go the "DAI in space" route it's going to be another turd in Bioware's dossier of shit games.
>>340695740
I feel that. Hopeful for a gameplay reveal on sunday, maybe that will give me something to be excited about.
Eh, I was kind of interested at first since it's a new team, and a sort of reboot, but lost interest as soon as they mentioned the plot would be most likely a rehash of the same old humans are important storyline.
The whole "new frontier" idea's fun, but I hope we see more than just tiny colonies and barren wastelands with no one to interact with.
I want to see more lively cities and communities. Or big comfy outposts like Noveria.
>>340695293
I can't torrent on my network and I don't know where to direct download games.
>>340696685
>noveria
>that straight bullshit trailer that had Shep choosing Liara's research place over saving Noveria
>actual Noveria is full of corrupt corporate shit and has the Rachni but is never in need of saving
I'm glad the trailer lied.
>>340692053
95% likelihood.
DA:I was leagues better than FA2, ME3, and SWTOR. It was still shit, but not utterly unbearable, so there is a small glimmer of hope that BioWare will continue to learn their lesson and shine their tarnished cred a bit further.
But it's unlikely, and you really should prepare for the worst. The only reason I'm getting it is because I'm obsessed with dating gayliens, if gays only get humans again it's a no buy.
>>340694701
*Except for Liara
>>340692220
It's post ME1
It'll suck
FTFY
>>340697841
>>340694701
Ya'll are really stupid if you seriously think they're not going to include Archangel.
>>340692868
Why did you enjoy ME3 at all after Tuchanka? With the retarded kid forced PTSD and Cerberus becoming reaper indoctrinated bad guys?
>>340698194
Garrus and Tali were always popular, but I doubt that means we'll see them.
There's supposedly a pretty good timeskip between ME3 and Andromeda.
>>340698461
Didn't they hook up in ME3 if you didn't romance them?
>>340698598
Yes. Considering how rabid Garrusfags and Talifags can be, I can only imagine the uproar. I also think Ashley and James flirt in the citadel dlc if you dont romance her
>>340698461
>Garrus sad his bro/love got deaded, goes into cryosleep in the belly of the ship to get away from the past, you find his pod while exploring the bowels to fix [insert plot device here]
It's too easy. You know BioWare won't be able to resist it.
>>340697938
>implying ME1 wasnt a mess
>the inventory management
>the fucking main enemies motivation
>the sluggish pacing because muh space operas
>the droning sci-fi music; yeah its great at first after 15 minutes you want to suck a vorcha dick just to make it stop
>the stale dialogue
>the shitty character upgrade system
>elevator rides yaaaay
>game freezing at the end of elevator rides yaaaay
>the cardboard NPCs especially in the citadel
>the complete lack of interesting DLC
It will have nothing left from the original game and team to ride on. For all intents and purposes it's a new IP using the brand, made by a team of nobodies, if we're lucky.
All the budget is going into marketing for this, they know they'll have to burn an bury the IP after the cashing in on this. Well, until the inevitable remasters/spiritual sequel a decade down the line.
>>340698379
Different anon, but for me personally, I loved the character wrap-ups. Like Grunt's last stand when he charges the rachni alone to buy everyone time to get clear. Pure Krogan. Or Tali tearfully confirming to Legion that he does have a soul moments before he uploads the code and dies. Mordin's "BECAUSE I MADE A MISTAKE!" speech.
I could go on, but fuck me, ME3 was one tear-jerking moment of excellence after another. I think it just gets unfairly bogged down by people focusing on the shitty ending and some of the faggy mechanics introduced.
There was a lot of good there.
>>340698730
>"Ashley, tu con tantas curvas y yo sin frenos"
Ass Effect - Colombo Edition
R.I.P. Space Aztec
>>340696965
Releaselog is pretty much direct download piracy central. Make sure you use something like JDownloader to manage the links or else shit goes bad real quick.
Am I the only one that loved the fuck out of me2? i replayed that game with every class on every difficulty.
>>340698870
Oh it was definitely rough, but there was an atmosphere to it I loved.
Also, the elevator rides were just a fun way to throw in some character banter during loading screens.
The idea is cool and I'm pretty surprising to see it taking place in an entirely different galaxy. That's pretty adventurous in more than one way.
But it'll suck. I actually enjoyed most of ME3 (and even the online) and I really like the lore and setting, but they'll fuck it up.
It's a shame too. Mass Effect has a lot of possibilities for stories but we won't ever see them.
>>340692053
What I want more than anything else out of this game is a Dragon Age: Origins set-up. I want to have a bunch of different backgrounds from a bunch of different races that then converge in the main story. Asari Commando? Krogan Battlemaster? Geth Juggernaut? Drell Assassin? Turian Imperator? Human N7? Fuck. Yes.
>>340698870
>>the inventory management
Fuck you. The shitty inventory was great.
>Glitching it on the xbox 360 so you can wear any armor in the game
>Wearing the heavy Onyx armor as a vanguard
>Literally unkillable
>>340699296
ME2 was great. Every installment of the series had its ups and downs.
>>340698870
>hating on the pacing
Fuck you, man. It was one of the only space games given proper pacing. It needed to be that slow, it was a good thing. I wish you (and the majority of people who played vidya) had more patience. You gain so much immersion when you can relax into an atmosphere.
I see this same complaint in Deus Ex threads about how Liberty Island was too open and didn't hold your hand, because no one bothered to play the training mission and then expected an action packed linear shooter with an arrow telling you where to go, instead of allowing yourself the time to absorb the atmosphere and immerse yourself in the game.
I think people don't realize immersion is 50% the game and 50% you. You gotta work with it.
>>340694456
This. The multiplayer pretty much saved 3 from being a pile of shit.
>>340692053
I've seen webms and it looked very similar to ME3 in terms of gameplay, which might end up being a good or bad thing
Who's ready forgay aliens?
You know Bioware is going to do it. It's 2016!
>>340693524
this
>>340699659
Gayliens and lesbomancy are fine with me. I just want to be an interstellar investigator.
>>340699437
Race customization's a fun idea, but I have a hard time picturing it being implemented to the extent that people want.
Having characters call you "knife ears" in Dragon Age is one thing, but incorporating the differences between between being recognized as a Geth or a Krogan warlord? Seems like a tall order.
Am I the only one who wants to see a Mass EffectMMO?I know TORtanic is still a huge thing on /v/, but I enjoyed it. Sure it wasnt really great but it was still fairly enjoyable, especially playing with a few friends
>>340698870
>un-ironically calling ME1 a lesser game
>>340699995
I'd play the shit out of it.Even though Bioware would most likely drop the ball
>>340699781
It's about joining whatever the primary organization would be. You're not the Geth or Krogan, you're the Spectre or somesuch. Like how they do with the Grey Warden / Inquisitor.
>>340699995
I think the problem is that Bioware's strength lies in stories and character arcs with a clear start and finish, but MMOs subsist on endless self-perpetuating content.
>>340692053
It's going to be subpar
We're well past Bioware's glory days. If it doesn't have all the bad tropes that Bioware abuses, it's going to be still marred by their writing style. Even in their golden age they were still arguably second-fiddle to Obsidian and CDProjekt (before each made their magnum opus). Now they're in a world where a fucking indie team can write a better story than them.
Gameplay wise it'll probably be average. ME3 actually had average gunplay which was an achievement. There's no way in hell it'll be a good rpg even if the series keeps wearing that title.
Presentation wise? It's going to continue to be some of the worst presentation one can find in a triple A game. When Dark Souls 1 has better convincing animations, Dragons Dogma has better combat animations, and Witcher 2's facial animations blow Inquisition's out of the water, you know your company is on the shit end of the stick.
This is not even bringing up Witcher 3's facial animations which I don't think Bioware will get to until another ten years down the road.
Also their art department should get fired and replaced. Inquisition had some of the worst fantasy art I've even seen. Like seriously. It couldn't decide between cartoony or realism, and looked like hot garbage either way. Also those fucking character models too. Dat face grease.
>>340699995
Tortanic would have been 100x better as a mass effect gameplay style star wars game. The roll based dialogue choices was cool so they could even keep the co-op aspect.
>>340692053
Holding off judgement until I see the game in action. Guess we will find out Sunday if it at least looks decent or not.
Bioware, a company thats gone full SJW?.............
About 100%
>>340698870
>the complete lack of interesting DLC
nigger the game was released in 2007. dlc wasn't big back then
Hopefully the sex scenes are good.
Aside from that all hope is lost.
/v/ doesn't like it already.
Should be a bretty fun game
I hope we get as many crew members as ME2.
Batarian bro when?
>>340701317
Aren't the Batarians on the brink of extinction by the end of ME3?
>>340701317
I hope they find a balance between crew size and group interaction. ME2's party was great, but no one really talked to each other apart from one or two spats.
>>340701792
Brink of extinction doesn't mean extinct. Yes we should get a Batarian squad mate. A female turian is also overdue.
>>340695293
Its EA. Obviously its going to have based Denuvo.
No playable xenos for you
>>340692053
95%
5% it could turn out like ME3 where most of it is good and there are even a few amazing parts but also parts that are so shit they sour the overall experience.
>>340702083
>HURR MUH RELATABILITY DURR
BioWare is fucking obsessed with using this excuse. Seriously, they use it every single time a question about the depth of character creation, character interactions, or off beat romances is brought up. They used to be wholly against non human romances for the exact same reason.
The truth is painfully obvious though, relatability 1:1 translates to "we don't want to do the modelling and extra voice work for this, because we are lazy and cheap".
Fuck relatability as an excuse, you are a fucking SPACE PERSON flying an. ARK SHIP to a DIFFERENT GOD DAMNED GALAXY. Nothing about your story is relatable! Fuck!
>>340702015
Would we be able to fuck said Turian?
High since key people dropped out
>>340702776
Turians seem pretty gay. There were so many of them dancing in the games and there was that one gay turian in ME2 (Gavorn)
>>340699445
>heavy Onyx
>good
come back once you have heavy colossus X
>>340692053
I better be able to fuck some hot Asari puss
>>340692053
Pretty damn unlikely.
Here's a view from a Bioware fanboy, grew up playing KOTOR, graduated to Mass Effect and Dragon Age when I was like, eleven.
Even Dragon Age 2, the worst game Bioware ever made, was pretty solid flaws aside. Inquisition showed they really, really wanted to do a planet exploration game, everything from that will translate much better to the Mass Effect universe.
I think that was the major issue, Inquisition felt like a Mass Effect game in the Dragon Age universe, it was fantastic in my opinion, I played it through two times straight, but I can see the issues that turned people off of the game, they didn't bother me as much because, well, I've adapted to current trends and nothing short of absolute shit really phases me anymore.
Without the constraints of the original trilogy, Andromeda has the potential to be a second wind for the series. Also fucking jetpacks man, those alone will make the game so much cooler.
>>340692053
It's being made by the team that made ME3's multiplayer. Which is one of the only things that was good from that game.
So it might be good.Dammit I don't want to have any hope for this game. I've been hurt before.
>>340702083
Honestly, the protagonist has never been the strongest point of a Bioware game. They're a vehicle for interacting with more interesting characters and diverse situations.
So the fact that they're not spreading resources thin to give the new Shepard a dozen different voices and unique character animations to accommodate for vastly different races throughout the entire game doesn't really ruin it for me.I'd probably go with Quarian if given the option though.
>>340704409
>Even Dragon Age 2, the worst game Bioware ever made, was pretty solid flaws aside.
Opinion discarded so fast a 100,000 fps camera couldn't detect it.
>>340702083
>it has to be relatable
Bad at telling stories in game. Bad at telling stories out of game.
>>340704748
Nice meme mate.
The cast was solid, the story was solid and the sidequests were pretty solid. Even Hawke was pretty solid.
The problems everyone had with the game was its scale, its asset reuse and simplified combat, two of which are understandable, the combat I personally give a pass because, bloody hell DA1's combat felt like a slog even at the time.
There's no sense having such a simple minded view of something just because it didn't meet your expectations, and only a sheep hates something because everyone else hates it.
>>340694007
>Fucking Inquisition maps are mountains everywhere forcing you to go in circles
it's shit and enemies made of molten core didn't helped neither
>no matter the difficulty you will always make low damage
>Enemies escalate with you
>Enemies are damage sponges because they have shit ton of health
>Those little guys who constantly jump and throw that freeze beam that takes all of your life in 2 seconds and there is to way to escape from it
>They were supossed to be nerfed and never happend because Bioware is a shit company
Inquisition sucks in so many ways that i had to force myself because i wanted to play RPG with multiple choices.
>>340704748
I'll defend DA2 to the end, warts and all.
The dysfunctional Kirkwall family if probably my favorite party in the series.
>>340702083
They're right, humans can only relate to other humans. That's why some of the most successful and acclaimed movies of all time, especially those that appeal to children, exclusively use human characters. Empathizing with non-humans is an ability which the average person simply does not possess, and is seen repeatedly in the free market.How fucking retarded is Bioware?
0%. Bioware hasn't made a good game since ever. The best stuff they made was mediocre and that was decades ago.
>>340705160
>look at me, I'm such a special and unique snowflake because I liked the shittiest game ever created
The casting was men, the story was a disaster, and the sidequests were 90% fetch quests of the most tedious and basic nature. The fact that you're a rube who can likely find fun in watch paint dry and eating glue doesn't mean everyone else's opinions, made with reasoned facts and compared to other games in the same genre, should be dismissed because they're "just jaded faggots".
>>340699659
There's been gayliens since ME1.
>>340692053
Will the protagonist be able to top snarky femHawke?
>>340692053
>yfw the planets are just ubisoft "inspired" open world maps
>>340706514
>yfw the plot is about how you're the good migrants and parallels how da cis white mayn be keeping minorities down with "mean" intelligent races telling you to fuck off
>>340706514
>>340706740
>Alien Donald Trump builds a dyson sphere to keep Milkycans out of his planet
>mfw im buying it because of the multiplayer
>>340692053
100%
>>340692053
Moderate to high
Who else wants a vorcha squadmate?
>>340709552
No one. Why? I don't want to have extended conversations with those fugly things.
>>340709552
I think the voice would be entertaining for all of two minutes.
>>340709552
Vorcha are the worst race in ME.
>>340692053
>gayder gone
>hamburger gone
>hudson gone
>top tier art direction
>well known neofag leaker called it "what mass effect 1 was supposed to be"
i'm optimistic
>>340711335
>Walters is now at the top of the chain of command
>Poo in the loo Pajeet is in charge of gameplay and hates shitlords
Don't expect much.
>>340710587
>>340710637
>>340710735
Y'all just jealous
>>340692053
It's going to suck due to the sjw fagging they pump into their games. Also the series as a whole is a heretical shitfest.
>>340711335
They don't even need shills with fanboys this strong.
>>340692053
No chance. No matter what happens the fallout will be legendary. I for one welcome the impending fanrage.
>>340692053
I'm actually curious on ahat they plan to do with the andromeda aliens? Are they going to use tbe same fucking generic, cookie cutter humanoid aliens who's ships all look the same? Or will they all be super otherwordly since it's another galaxy. I don't mind thr humanoids but it's stale when they're all the same (Minus three species)
>>340711768
Why are the Locust in Mass Effect?
>>340712346
Probably even more humanoid so they have even less animation and modeling work to do. And reskinned old models/animations for the more "out there" races.
>>340712346
The reason we're restricted to playing human is because theyre too lazy to model something different
>>340712612
>>340712728
Of course they're probably going to make generic shit like "space elves" and other horseshit to cut corners. If it's that hard for a tripleA game making company to design and animate some aliens that don't all look the same I have no words. You'd think with all other Sci-fi works out there they can learn to make some actual cool aliens
Pic related
So essentially this little reboot will have choices that dont matter, cookie cutter aliens, and a ancient alien threat just like last time
>>340692868
>I think ME3 was the best of the series
>>340713170
Oh boy what's this ancient evil this time? Not squid lawnmowers but fucking walking toasters?
>>340713610
Probably an intergalactic racist empire that discriminates against certain races, hates women, and hates gays.
>>340713945
>Mfw no Cybernetic war-hungry alien race that forcibly assimilates other species and turns any dead organic material into food and medicine like the Strogg
Bioware can't into making proper alien evil.
It finally happened. We were overrun by biodrones.
Hold me, /v/
>>340713610
Donald Tramp
>>340692053
You know the chances.
>>340714259
Shh, shee.
I'll do you first, then me.
>>340692868
>ME3 was the best of the series
*unsheathes space katana*
>>340714351
How can the god Emperor of humanity be an evil?
>>340705362
>i suck at inquisition, but i'm gonna blame the game instead of my own lack of skills
>>340714427
Thank allah I pirated this piece of shit. The space weeaboo was icing on the turs cake for me.
>those backflips
>>340714427
Oh yeah, Kai? You might think you have him cornered, but you'd be wrong. Because little did you know,there's a box of my cereal right behind you.
>>340714523
>implying any bioware game requires any sort of skill
You're already dead.
>>340705910
>shittiest game ever created
I'm pretty sure I'm talking about Dragon Age 2, not Day One: Garry's Incident.
No, I'm not a special snowflake, there are plenty of other people who enjoyed it as much as me. It's the worst of the three, but far from being bad, it had plenty of merits.
>The casting was men
Is not a valid criticism, nor an accurate one, the main villain was a bloody woman.
>the story was a disaster
This comes down to opinion, I found the story very compelling, with each act being just as entertaining as each other, granted the finale irked my with it's open ended nature.
>the sidequests were 90% fetch quests of the most tedious and basic nature
A fair point, though not at all that different from RPG's in general, what side quests had story in them were perfectly fine.
The truth of the matter is the game had flaws, but wasn't an overall poor product, I'm even willing to discuss this at length if you like, I've played it through three times, once when it came out on 360, once on PS3, and a third time more recently.
>>340714759
kek, just noticed this edit
>>340714427
The only part of the main game that really fell flat, you could replace Kai Leng with a unique Phantom model and cut all his lines and it would have been far better, just have a pinnacle of Reaper Augmentation kick your ass a few times. Instead they took a good character and made him a big middle finger.
>>340714484
In SJWLand he is
LITERALLY Hitler
>>340715492
>Renegade option is to join Emperor Donald Trump and ravage the Galaxy in the name of himan Superiority
All of my yes.
Purge. Cleanse. Kill Xenos scum.
>>340715620
MAKE ANDROMEDA GREAT AGAIN
>>340715076
I'm not the other anon, but as I recall the only vaguely bearable character was Aveline, because the only character writing BioWare has ever been able to do competently is dry humor. They're constantly trying to recapture the magic of HK-47, and Zevran is the closest they've come in these dark latter days.
For that matter, Zevran was the only reason I managed to beat Origins, since anytime the story got too far up its own ass he'd say something off-color. Dragon Age 2 lacked that counterbalance to its blandness, so I only made it to the second act.
>>340716485
Oh, likewise, the Mass Effect dry humor character is Garrus. Origins double-dipped, since that was also Morrigan's schtick. Note how, maybe with the exception of Zevran, I'm listing all the fan favorites. Now think about how these fan favorites are all literally the same character.
>>340711734
>>Poo in the loo Pajeet is in charge of gameplay and hates shitlords
how do his opinions affect anything if he's in charge of gameplay
>>340712201
>not blindly hating anything and everything=being a fanboy
>>340713170
>So essentially this little reboot will have choices that dont matter, cookie cutter aliens
do you have a single fact to back that up
>>340692053
High. I want to be wrong but I'm not holding my breath.
>>340692053
Remember when people were asking if DAII would suck?
Remember when people were asking if ME3 would suck?
You never learn.
>>340696992
>that straight bullshit trailer that had Shep choosing Liara's research place over saving Noveria
What trailer?
>>340699001
It's not just a matter of the ending, it's a matter of the entire core of the story sucking. ME2 does the same thing. All the character quests are fantastic but the actual main story is pure balls being rubbed in your face.
>>340720401
>but the actual main story is pure balls being rubbed in your face.
To be fair, even though it had retarded shit like Shepard dying at the start, the real reason the story is so bad is because it was 100% reliant on a sequel which didn't deliver.
>>340702083
God damn it all this is the only thing I wanted from Mass Effect. I don't care about the lumpy play doh facial animations or the burning garbage bomb of social justice that Bioware's writing team turned into post-Hamburger Helper, just let me play a goddamn turian Bioware. Let me give you my money
>>340720794
Well, this is kind of true. If the ME2 characters were relevant at all outside of Legion/Tali/Mordin, the plot of building a good team would've felt more important.
>>340720794
But ME2 was also a sequel that didn't deliver. It went out of its way to abandon the setup that ME1 gave it in order to have you build another team, go stop a side story and generally do nothing to advance what the original set up to be the core premise of the series going forward, i.e. learning more about the Reapers and trying to find a way to stop them.
>>340721308
ME2's story would have almost made more sense if it was ME2 -> ME1 -> ME3
ME2: Hey Shepard some new colonies are going missing, weird huh? Some aliens called the Collectors seem to be abducting them. We need you to do this suicide mission thing to stop them.
ME1: Good job with the collectors Shepard, you're being made the first human Spectre. Some turian named Saren is going to work with you to- woops he's evil and working for these mysterious Reapers the Collectors were. Better stuff him and Sovereign back down the hole they crawled out of.
ME3: Big punchup against the Reapers awakened by Sovereign blowing up.
>>340721308
Yeah, that too. It definitely has direction problems, but I think having the climactic ME2 player decision hand-waved away in ME3 was the most damaging of all.
Fucking BioWare.
>>340721623
That progression makes much more sense actually. You could almost forget about the reapers in ME2
>>340721927
ME3's writer felt like he was determined to make sure that you sat there like a good little player and watched his story and couldn't be more annoyed by your attempts to get away from what he was writing.
10$ says they'll put Denuvo and a space tranny in it. Maybe a crying homosexual again
>>340720253
I've still yet to finish DA2, while i marathoned through the entirety of ME series
>>340721308
Sounds about right.
The saving grace was that it was a fun side-story with awesome fucking characters, but ME2 compounded a lot of the missteps ME3 would take.
>>340726338
It's also when the series stopped running on established and consistent canon and started running on what the current writer decided was cool. That's how you get stuff like Cerberus going from a shadowy black ops group to being capable of building the Normandy again and better in complete secrecy to suddenly being an antagonist on the same scale as the Reapers as far as the game is concerned.
>>340692053
It's going to get crushed by Cyberpunk 2077 and EA will kill off BioWare.
>>340725763
I really had to force myself through DA2. Took like a month long break in the middle of my playthrough because I got so bored. Did the same with ME2 actually.
>>340726884
I bet we'll see Andromeda next year, while Cyberpunk will be 2018 or something. Bioware's last game came out in 2014 so they've already been working on it for a long time, while CD Projekt Red only truly finished The Witcher 3 a month or so ago, and is a much smaller studio to boot.
>All your choices in the first games affect the people and factions in the Milky Way galaxy, possibly determining the survival or extinction of entire species such as the Geth, Quarians and Rachni
>Mass Effect: Andromeda: Lol, let's just set the game in a completely different galaxy, rendering all your previous choices and actions completely fucking worthless and redundant :^)
Fuck modern Bioware. What were they thinking?
>>340728129
Probably the same things they thought when they decided to completely shit over their fanbase by turning ME2 and DA2 into shitty generic action games.
They dont give a fuck about making good games, and they especially despise the thought of making a decent RPG these days.
We will never live in a world where bioware decided, just this once, to not make their story revolve around an ancient evil
ME had so much potential its setting was actually pretty interesting by the starndards of sci-fi vidya anyway, it could have been a game about a dick-ass agent (or a goody two shoes if thats what you want) doing secret-agent work in space, solving mysteries, helping avert or hell actually helping cause inter-race conflicts, having a choice whether to push humanity or be more or less unbiased, working with or against secret societies
but instead we got the usual, ancient evil awakens, you are teh chosen one drivel, and then ME3 killed the universe so hard, that they have to fucking move to another galaxy to avoid all that mess
>>340729274
I'm so sick of playing as chosen ones. Shepard in ME1 was cool because he was just a guy. He was the right man in the right place but he was still just a dude that was a super good soldier and had a beacon shart a message into his brain. Anything that made him more important than that was through his own actions, such as becoming a Spectre or finding a Prothean expert or so on.
Actually, why did ME2 entirely forget about Liara's chosen occupation and turn her into an information broker? She was arguably the most important squad member from the first game with regards to the overarching goal of stopping the Reapers. She was also interesting contrast with the rest of the crew, a timid and reserved researcher in among all the loud and experienced space soldiers. Then she turns into a tough as nails information broker for no apparent reason.
>>340729814
>becoming a Spectre
That was literally just a fuck off from the council. I don't think Shepard ever did Spectre missions that weren't related to reaper business.
>>340729996
But the point is that it's a thing that happened with a cause and effect relationship beyond 'Shepard is the important story dude'.
>>340699001
>grunt has a last stand
>he's fine anyway
>legions fucking nonsense sacrifice that doesn't make any sense from any angle
The Mordin bit was good, but it was one of the very few good parts. I'm going to be replaying through the series, and I already know 3 is going to be as much o a struggle as re-100%ing 1
>>340730292
>Have to betray Wrex and doom his entire species to save Mordin
>He doesn't even have the same voice actor
Fuck you Bioware
Every time I see Andromeda stuff I just remember that ME3 killed my attachment to the series.
I'd love to be excited about a ME game again but I can't.
>>340730495
I haven't played ME3 yet. You mean Wrex doesn't have the same actor or Mordin? It's important.
>>340730965
Mordin
>>340730997
Ok, I can live with that.
>>340731117
I will cut you
>>340702083
>But it's for relatability!
>It's not the fact we're absolutely shit at storytelling and instead want the players to do the work for us, honest!
>>340731425
They can't even make the humans relatable
>>340714484
That´s sanguinius though.
>>340702083
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A FUCKING ROLE PLAYING GAME.
YOU PLAY A ROLE THAT ISN'T YOU.
Who would actually believe that shameless excuse.
>>340733543
>YOU PLAY A ROLE THAT ISN'T YOU.
You're clearly supposed to self-insert though.
>>340692053
>So what are the chances this is isnt going to suck?
FTFY
Also the chance for that is ZERO.
>>340733701
Yeah right, i'll remember that next time i get to make a decision and my choices will be "let us hug" or "eat the puppy"
>>340692053
50% it all depends whether the MP is as addicting as 3's or not.
the SP is gonna be your generic bland third person shooter with no beloved characters like garrus, tali or muh waifu
>>340733898
>why are you being so nice to me, shepard. if you want to fuck me, then let's fuck.
wut I just want to get through these shitty dialogs and play the game.
Wonder why the Reapers don't have to harvest AI creating species in Andromeda, they must be the Africa of galaxies.
>>340734762
Judging from pre-release material, only species in Andromeda are the same ones from Milky Way
Now that Mass Effect is essentially dead, will we ever have another franchise to hold the same potential to be the defining sci-fi epic?
>>340692053
Chances are always good.
But personally I hope it beats the odds of it being shit and ends up being a good game.
>>340735514
>Chances are always good.
Inquisition was diarrhea. And I was really optimistic about it.
>>340693076
I'm still mad about Kuei Lang
>>340735881
>I was really optimistic about it
What was the basis of that?
>>340736243
By far one of the worst antagonists I've ever encountered in a video game.
>>340736280
>it can't be worse than than the second one
>also playable qunari
Little did I know that not only was it worse than 2 they also destroyed the only interesting race they had.
>>340736440
>also playable qunari
YOu realize that was an utter afterthought, right? Multiple races was announced way late and the result was 2 fucking voice choices for all of them
>>340736440
>it was worse than 2
What? I heard Inquisition was at least better than 2. What did they do to the Qunari besides "WE LET HER LIVE AS A MAN, OUR RIGID GENDER SEGREGATED SOCIETY IS QUIRKY THAT WAY"
>>340736559
>YOu realize that was an utter afterthought, right?
Yes I know. They only planned humans at first.
>>340699437
This is what I want as well, but it's 100% impossible.
Too many variables and time-consuming stuff to implement, and it will satisfy only the role playing faggots such as myself rather than all the general public who just wants a fuck yeah humanity badass.
>>340720837
>Hambuger-helper
Jesus christ, I completely forgot about that. /v/ after the release of DA:O was golden.
>>340694007
I agree.
I really dislike collectathons and fetch quests.
>>340732326
When will Bioware realise that everyone likes their alien characters because they are, in fact, very relatable for the human player?
All of their humanoid aliens are incredibly human. They look similar, they have the same body language, the same facial expressions (even the Turians), the same tendency to gesticulate like mad while talking... The list goes on and on. They're all just humans with made-up cultures and quirks, because it's basically impossible to write truly alien aliens that can interact meaningfully with a human player.
>>340704051
The colossus series looks crap.
Aldrin Labs 4 life.
>>340737373
And that too is why people want to play them. Generally, the races are like humans but cooler. When you're pushing an RPG, having a race that's a cooler human with more interesting cultural things to role play, you're creating a compelling option to play as.
>>340737373
The relatable crap is just PR for "our schedule and budget doesn't allow for that kind of thing since our marketing department thinks fps dudebros are grossed out by playing as aliens"
>>340736302
*TELEPORTS BEHIND YOU*
pssshhh nothin personel shepard
*UNSHEATS KATANA*
>>340737714
*pisses in your potted plants*
*eats your cereal*
Psssssssssshhh
>>340737573
You know, I'd respect them a lot more if they stood up and said 'yeah, you can only play as a human because we don't have the time or budget to make five meaningfully different protagonists' instead of this 'you think you want it but you don't' crap.
>>340737714
It's not just that, but how the writer took control away from you and forced Shepard to hold the idiot ball for a while just so he could show off his cool character.
>>340737714
>>340737837
>he literally did all of these things
Goddamn it.
>>340737837
*pisses in your cereal*
*eats your potted plants*
This time, it's personal.
>>340737886
>beat him in a fight
>he asspulls an attack chopper then sends you a mocking email
YOU FAILED SHEPARD, I WAS JUST 2 GUD 4 U
>>340699330
>atmosphere
this and the aestethics and the soundtrack also had the feeling of a space adventure, where me2 and 3 had more grandiose and action styled music and overall theme
only omega and some parts of the collector ship/base really reminded me of me1
The only thing I wanted from the ME games was to fuck Vakarian in his ass
Fuck Bioware and their retarded MUH HUSBAND MUFFUGA characters
>>340738221
>Shepard shoots down at least two of those things in direct combat before his fight with Cereal Killer
>OH SHIT THIS ONE'S GOT A SEARCHLIGHT FUCK I CAN'T SCRATCH IT
>>340738221
>The Asari you work with mention how gunships are getting shot down all over the place and are generally useless
>The cerberus one makes it just fine and shows up completely undisputed in the hottest part of the battlefield with perfect dramatic timing. You also don't get the option to fight it, despite the fact that you have before and have won before.
>>340738005
Plus he stabbed an autist to death with a sharpened toothbrush even though she's a super speshul gifted biotic and butchered a ship full of Batarian slavers.
>>340715404
>good character
He had no character, though.
>>340738260
ME2 had some good stuff, mainly because a lot of it still used the synth that gave ME1 its unique sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTsD2FjmLsw
>>340702083
you realize they will be selling an 80 dollar season pass with the 50 dollar game code.
>>340702083
Nothing says relatable quite like forcing me to interact with trannies and overly aggressive dikes.
>>340695293
all EA games have Denuvo so who gives a shit.
>>340715404
>Phantom 2.0 has a non-bullshit way of not getting shot down at the Citadel
>Isn't stopped by a frogman with cancer
>Has a better plan than charging at you with a sword
>Legitimately beats you and your squad instead of fleeing in a gunship
>Doesn't write shitty emails or deliver any kind of dialogue
I'd have really liked that.
>>340738707
I wouldn't give a fuck if they had character outside of that to like or dislike, but they don't. The shuttle pilot in ME3 will forever be 'the gay guy' because that's where his character begins and ends. That's all that there is to him. Bioware's way of handling this stuff is far more offensive than any amount of exclusion could ever be. One is saying that there are no gay guys on the Normandy, the other is saying that the only one was a flaming faggot accompanied by the captain's assistant that introduces herself by talking about how badly she wants to fuck EDI's voice.
>>340738851
Eh, with the pisseasy combat system being unable to beat them would feel asspully.
hope mp is good.
my only concern is if EA amps up the mico transaction bullshit. it might be worse considering they are worse now than when me3 came out.
>>340738907
To be fair I worked shortly with a kid who wanted to transition into a lady and he flaunted the shit out of it. It was offensive even in real life to hear someone who seemed to be acting like nothing more than a stereotype parroting what they heard on tumblr about shit. Bioware's problem seems to be that they hire these sjw police chicks who are complete hypocrites and seem oblivious to how unnaturally these characters are being written.
>>340738907
Don't forget the dull mage that suddenly became gay.
>>340739530
I've met a professional drag queen with more subtlety than some of Bioware's characters.
Cool dude, really knowledgeable about fighting games.
>>340692053
>>340692053
>>340692053
>>340692053
YOU KNOW WHAT SUCKS?
CD Projekt Red won't release a game for a while.
I'd gladly pay another $60 for a new Witcher game or Cyberpunk.
>>340739679
>Cyberpunk
Cancelled.
>>340739615
>professional drag queen
>>340739679
Eh, there's a couple of things worth waiting for coming out, and worst comes to worst DS3 alone could get 800 more hours out of me. I'm also replaying the dead space and mass effect series, and noticing how much more competent and well done the dead space story is by comparison.
>>340739741
nice meme
>>340739772
Dude made money putting on drag shows with other drag queens.
>>340739793
>DS3 alone could get 800 more hours out of me
What the flying fuck do you even do
>>340739847
thanks
>>340739860
That's a thing that exists?
>>340739864
I don't know why but I really fucking love DS3. I've played 224 hours and I still want more.
>>340739950
Didn't answer my question
>>340739942
Apparently. Also the makeup is fucking crazy.
>>340739942
Yes. There's a cult classic Australian film about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Priscilla,_Queen_of_the_Desert
>>340740006
Rerun the games on higher NG difficulty and doing gimmick runs, then. Also some PvP.
>>340692868
>Mass Effect 3 is the best of the series
>The entire intro on earth
>Geth war is just the Genophage plot copy pasted
>Dead Crewmates from 2 are literally replaced with reskinned version of themselves.
>The worst dialogue wheel of any Bioware game to date, assuming it even fucking bothered to show up.
>Plot integral character only available as DLC
>Completely shite gun balance. All but the worst shotguns have better range and damage than most sniper rifles.
>Kai Leng
>TIM is reduced to a babbling retard with no character agency
Oh yeah, and the ending was fucking garbage.
>>340740364
>Plot integral character only available as DLC
You mean Javik, Aria or Leviathan?
>>340740056
Wasn't there also a King of the Hill episode that involved drag queens putting on shows?
>>340740364
>The species that created the reapers and a motherfucking live prothean
>Both DLC with fuckall weight on the actual game
Fuck 'em
>>340698870
>the shitty character upgrade system
what kind of crack are you on?
>>340739942
Did you not know this already? Like I know /v/ is pretty uncultured but not knowing about the prevalence of Drag shows is pretty fucking absurd.
>>340740505
With the mother so supportive even her son thought she could tone it down. Good ep.
>>340740684
I live in fucken yurop
>>340692053
here's hoping they introduce some new sci fi concepts instead of riding the same old. as far as I can see the original ME1-3 story is 80% a rewrite of Alistair Reynold's Revelation Space universe with 20% whatever sprinkled it, which is no surprise since those books came out a couple of years before ME1.
Maybe that new galaxy is a playground for inspiration by recent sci fi books. Calling it here: In the center of the galaxy will be something we thought was a black hole but in fact it's a Void where thoughts rule over matter or some shit.
>>340712937
>even Mess Effect threads are used as an excuse for Orkfags to hate on you
Bite me you mushroom nigger
>>340702083
What's wrong with this? How the fuck would they make a game where you can play as multiple races? They would either have to go the DAO way and not include voice acting for the main character or spend half the budget hiring a gorillion voice actors for all the races and genders.
Mass effect has never been about roleplaying as other species, it's pretty much a "movie rpg" like kotor.
>>340740745
Do they not air Rupaul's Drag Race in europe?
>>340740812
Yurop.
>>340698870
I'll take elevator rides, an actual inventory, and a complete game over 5 day long loading screens ever 10 minutes, no inventory beyond the magic bad that holds all my fetch quest items, and 50 extraneous DLC most of which is only available through pirating, pretty much every day of the week.
>>340740784
>They would either have to go the DAO way and not include voice acting for the main character
That's a good thing.
>>340740901
>an actual inventory
I swear to fuck if you're gonna tell me you liked ME1's "inventory"
>>340740364
>Geth war is just the Genophage plot copy pasted
It's not, Genophage plot was a mess until the very end. Rannoch was actually pretty good unless you fuck up and get the shitty suicide scene they wrote at the last minute.
>>340740981
I liked the weapon customization and the micromanagement. Not that guy, but it wasn't that bad.
>>340740981
You don't fix a clunky inventory system by completely ripping out the very idea of an inventory.
>>340740981
Beyond the item limit, it works fine on PC, and it's infinity better than no inventory. If I have to pick between an ok RPG, and Gears of War pretending to be an RPG, I'll pick the actual RPG
>>340741152
Having to click a million individual, useless items to convert them into omnigel was annoying as fuck.
>>340741094
>weapon customization and the micromanagement
You picked the shit that gave most damage. End of customization and micromanagement
>>340740938
Except not, ME is based off kotor (which also had a single character who could either be male or female), playing as other races wouldn't make sense and would make for an even worse story than we normally get. Just like star wars is always centered around human protagonists.
It worked for DAO because its world is based off tolkien and all the races live in the same world so there is a semi unified social structure, all the races in mass effect have their own worlds and cultures and you can't make a game where you can just pick a race and have a cohesive story around that level of choice without severely dumbing down the universe.
>>340702083
>He thinks Bioware games are still rpgs
There hasn't been a proper rpg from Bioware since DA:O and even that was middling at best.
This is the same company that thinks wanting to romance a dwarf girl is the same as being a paedophile. Or a female Qunari is gross male fetish fantasising but have no qualms with "riding the bull".
>>340741325
That may be true for the original Mass Effect. But in Andromeda, any character of any race would be a stranger in a strange galaxy. That's kinda the premise.
>>340741426
>Or a female Qunari is gross male fetish fantasising but have no qualms with "riding the bull".
Wait what.
>>340740784
>How the fuck would they make a game where you can play as multiple races?
They already did. It's called Mass Effect 3 multiplayer which was more of a role-playing experience than the actual single player mode.
>>340741271
>damage
>not making sure you cooled down super fast so you could fire forever
>not switching up ammo types for enemies
>>340741519
Ah I see, so let's have mass effect Andromeda be a shitty mediocre tps multiplayer deathmatch game where you can pick your own race.
You're hired anon.
>>340741036
>Oh no (Race A) has fucked up the (Race B) homeworld
>But we need (Race B) to help us win the war!
>Do 1 of 3 side missions, some of which involve saving crashed soldiers, to access the real mission
>Oh no, a spider Reaper appeared, better kill the fuck out of it.
>Now a member of (Race A) who is your past crewmember must sacrifice themselves for no fucking reason to help save (Race B)'s Homeworld
>>340741486
Big horned women that most likely look like men is male fetish fantasizing
>>340741607
I played on the hardest shit possible and you're a fucking scrub. Also it was tedious
>>340702083
The thing I don't understand is if in all the Dragon Age games can we be literally any race we want, with models, character customization options, special dialog, etc. but in Mass Effect, another game made by the same company, we can't.
>>340741686
>you're a scrub
Sorry oh dear professional. I didn't NEED to micromanage, I just enjoyed it.
>>340741686
>Big horned women that most likely look like men is male fetish fantasizing
I'm so confused.
>>340741686
>There's no customization options
>What about these customization options
>you're just a scrub
>>340741612
As opposed to what? ME3's shitty mediocre tps corridor cover experience for a story mode?
At least I have the choice of being a Vorcha or Geth in multiplayer, at least there were unique skills and classes in multiplayer.
Add an ME1 Skilltree and make a comfy story with good characters, no drama ala ME3.
But they will fuck it up somehow anyway.
>>340741721
>if in all the Dragon Age games can we be literally any race we want
You mean all 1 of the games? DA2 had fuckall and DA:I ones are an afterthought
>>340741797
Congrats, you enjoyed doing something pointless due to lack of balance
>>340741956
>you customized your character in a way I think is suboptimal, stop it
>>340742085
You mean factually suboptimal, yes?
>>340742281
I don't get it what did he achieve that makes him a legend? Did he manage to poo in the loo, or in his dinner bowl?
I don't follow Bioware shit, but I still see /v/ post their crap all the time and until now I've never seen this guy's name pop up once at all. Which generation is he? Pre Hamburger Helper or Post?
>all i want to do is cuddle with a qt elcor waifu
>>340740364
Fucking this, I hate how a bunch of people still spout bullshit like "oh ME3 was only bad because of the ending" that's simply not true at all, the whole game was a fucking mess, that intro was one of the most poorly executed things I've ever seen and they HAD to get it right considering it was the third fucking game on a TRIOLOGY, I mean what the FUCK
it's not like it had a good base to build around either because ME2 was utter shit in a lot of places aswell
>>340742281
>>340742351
Dead in the water.
>>340742681
There's no way Andromeda would have something this cute. The cutest damn thing Mass Effect ever had was Tali before ME3, cause you weren't scarred by what she actually looked like.
>>340742351
>I don't like writing about straight/white/cis people
Nigga, you get to work in a sci-fi setting where humans are a new thing. People sleep with jellyfishes and gorillas, there's an entire race of blue girls and even an AI can have sex. Why does he bitch so much?
>>340742238
>indefinitely sustained fire with pinpoint accuracy is suboptimal
Not to mention the frictionless components passively increase damage as well. You're just a faggot who doesn't like fun.
>>340742851
And more to the point, people swallowed all of that because it came off as a natural part of the universe. People didn't bitch about the race of blue chicks that are culturally pressured to have interracial relationships and don't care about the sex of their partners because there was no political agenda behind them. People bitch about riding the bull and the sobbing gay dude because you can feel the politics behind them at every moment.
>>340742351
>i'm, going to write perspectives I don't have myself
What a poor writer.
>>340743038
It's okay because it's progressive!
>>340742281
>The legend known as Curry Thunder
As long as I get to dick some hot-dicked aliens it'll be alright.
Still not buying it.
>>340743038
Remember, ME3 was the most human-centric game in the series somehow. It's only going downhill from here.
>>340743325
I'm sure lots of gay men were elated over having someone like Steve Cortez representing them.
>muh husband
>muh husband
>wanna fuck
>STEEEEEEVE
It will suck. Will do its best to appeal to the tumblr-slut, or college fuckboi groups. Just look at DAI
Honestly, I wonder if it's possible for a NEET to get into Bioware as a writer. Like, zero qualifications, the kind that don't even know how to do their taxes, or even get to the work place, or even take the bus.
Cause no matter how I think about it, Bioware seems like it's shifting towards being a welfare company, providing uneducated and unqualified people with proper well paying jobs.
Or do you actually need to show up for work and stay within 5 meters of these sick freaks? Cause then the whole story changes and it makes the company more like a cancer containment cell.
>>340702083
>>340702613
>wanting to play filthy xeno
TRAITORS
>>340692053
I'm betting if you like the old ME you'll probably like the new one
>>340743390
It's pretty bullshit how he self proclaims himself as an NBA superstar. I doubt he could even take aim properly at the urinal let alone make a 3 pointer.
>>340692868
>ME3 was great outside the ending meme
please stop this you fucking biodrone.
>>340692053
I don't know but it doesn't matter. The chances that /v/ will hate it are 100%.
>>340742872
I'm a faggot that can comprehend what's actually good and what isn't without sperging out how the game has KOOSTOMEEZASHUN. There's single good mod per weapon type/slot
>>340743993
No, you're just a minmaxer in a game with shitty combat.
>>340744151
Said shitty combat gets called as the best in the series, which is also a load of garbage
>>340744246
WHo calls it the best in the series? The RPG elements were the best in the series, the combat itself was the worst.
>>340744297
I've seen plenty of blokes
>>340714427
>Got his ass handed to him by a frog with space aid
>>340698870
>lack of DLC
Players literally want to be nickel and dimed and consider a game bad if it doesn't do that. God I hate /v/.
>>340744469
I think 1 is support to 2 as a game and I still concede 2 has better combat by a mile. Shame that they gutted the character and weapon customization to pull it off.
>>340744639
Frankly, i really liked how ME3 did character abilities
>>340740938
Will you fags that are stuck in 1996 please fuck off. Silent protagonist are fucking lame in story driven games.
>>340741094
ME3 had the best weapon modding in the series. ME1 had way too much useless shit and gear. Also all the guns felt the same.
>>340745330
>Silent Protagonists are lame
If it's a silent protag then I can at least think he sounds like me
If it's got a voice than I have to hear some shmuck I could give less than a rats ass about
Silent protags help the immersion that much more
>>340745330
Yeah man, FUCK having several options for every conversation, I LOVE having 4 options at most in every conversation.
>>340745330
Fuck you.
>>340741426
ME development team>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DA development team
Seriously,ME devs at least sound like they listen to their fans.
>fans want to romance Tali after ME1
>next game you can romance her
>fans want to romance Garrus after ME1
>next game he is a romance option
Yeah a giant space lizard/bird is a romance option in ME but a dwarf female is seen as too risqué by the DA team.
>>340692053
>Bioware
>EA
Let's be honest, there was never a chance of it being good.
>>340745330
One of the reasons why DA:O is so much better than its sequels is because of the silent protagonist. It allows for so much more character depth with the many more dialogue choices.
In DA2 you could either be: nice, sarcastic or an asshole.
>>340745824
Dwarf resemble children. Bioware is too SJW.
>>340745545
Depends on the style the series is going for. For something Fallout-y, you need a silent protagonist. You can't create a character when that character already has a predetermined voice and that voice is always locked to certain things. Fallout 4 is the perfect example of why voiced MCs don't work in something that's meant to be a CRPG.
For something like Mass Effect, it's fine. You're always going to be Shepard, what you decide is how Shepard reacts to certain situations and it also goes with the more cinematic angle that the franchise was always striving for. Remember how you could choose your own epic speech when taking command of the Normandy for the first time? That just wouldn't fly without voicing.
>>340692053
shitposting aside, im eager to see how it will turn out
I think dragon age is a lost cause, but I believe that mass effect still has a chance to be done right.
>>340745975
>NO FEMALE QUNARI ROMANCES, SICK MUSCLE FETISHISM
>NO FEMALE DWARFS, FUCKING PEDOPHILES
Well thank god fags and women can indulge in their muscle fetishism.
>>340746051
Mass Effect was a rich universe with countless stories to tell until ME3 fucked it up. 2 had a lot of issues but the core of the setting still stood and could be used just fine if you left Shepard and the Reapers out of it. 3 does far too much far-reaching damage to be recovered from.
>>340745989
I was mainly thinking about Fallout 4 and DA2 whenever I wrote that, but you have a point Shepard is fine since he/she is a blank slate for us to mold along the game.
Andromeda I'm still skeptical about though since I highly doubt we'll have another Shepard to deal with
>>340741686
>qunari females that more then likely look like males
Wew, lad.
There is a reason most DA fans were asking for one as a companion and romance option. Gaider just didn't want to add one because he said they would just be male fap bait. Didn't stop him from throwing in his gay bara male Qunari,that is a romance option. Who no one asked for!
>>340746115
>NO FEMALE DWARFS, FUCKING PEDOPHILES
This is the ugliest child I've seen in a while.
>>340746207
They're two different and valid approaches to portraying an RPG protagonist. I would personally argue that the first Mass Effect was the only game to execute the voiced RPG MC correctly other than maybe Alpha Protocol.
Actually, Alpha Protocol was fucking fantastic as a modern interpretation of the RPG. It's the only one I can think of to handle cause and effect along with corresponding wild amounts of divergence with any elegance, even if the core gameplay was ass.
>>340692053
High.
But we really don't know nearly enough about it yet.
And I'm personally holding out for some form of co-op (and I don't mean just the survival thing in 3).
>>340744246
ME3 objectively had the best combat of the series, and it's not even close. No clue how some fags can even argue this? It's one of the few things ME3 got right.
>>340745545
You aren't one of those people who actually "act out" the lines in those games......are you?
>>340746641
People do that?
>>340745449
Doesn't beat the Ammo types though.
The Explosive Rounds in 3 suck ass compared to the ones from 1
>>340746476
>>340742351
Are you ready for rampant tokenism?
>>340746207
That's the important distinction right there. A voice protag works when the idea is that you roleplay by molding the protagonist, it falls flat on its ass when you're meant to be creating one.
>>340746115
>"Women aren't allowed to be strong!"
Aren't Bioware supposed to be all about social justice?
>>340746808
They also designed the Asari specifically because they noticed that their setting was without their Star Trek tribute 'green alien space babe' type race to optionally go sex up. Go figure.
>>340745975
>some one on the DA development team in a podcast basically said that female dwarfs are short curvy, roller derby style women
Basically called them thick. How is that child like at all? Yet Merrill in DA2 came off as some creepy under age girl that you could romance. But since she was an elf, guess it was okay.
>>340746641
No, it's just that when reading a line I hear my own voice in my head
>>340746907
The only romance option in ME1 open to both sexes was practically cradle robbing relative to her race and ended up getting promoted to being blatantly the intended choice in the sequels. It's strange inconsistency.
>>340746051
Well Gaider is now gone from the DA team. At least that means less gay shit in future games.
>>340747035
>At least that means less gay shit in future games.
good joke
why even care tho
When do I get to fuck the aliens I want to fuck with protag gender I want to pick?
>>340746731
And they were OP in ME1. You literally killed everything in 1 shot.
>>340747107
Because regular gay shit is fine
Bioware "gay" is just
>OH HELLO YES I'M GAY AND LOVE SUCKING COCK, YOU HAVE A NICE ASS CALL ME SOMETIME ;)
>>340747306
So?
If it was
>OH HELLO YES I'M FEMALE AND LOVE SUCKING COCK, YOU HAVE A NICE ASS CALL ME SOMETIME ;)
/v/ would be all over that shit
>>340747306
Bioware can't do subtle.
>Playing ME3
>talking to entire crew
>everyone seems okay
>talk to Cortez a few times
>"mah husband is dead"
Nope.
Didn't talk to him for the rest of the game. It was painfully clear he was the gay romance in the game.
>>340747474
Because /v/ is retarded. People other than /v/ dislike Bioware's writing you know.
>>340747474
>an actually sexually aggressive female character
Shits a rarity.
>>340747474
Not really.
The pirate chick from DA2 was like that. Most people seem not to like her. Bioware needs to stop the cliché style characters.
>the hot head
>the old wise companion
>the innocent girl
>the slut
>your bro companion
They really do the same style characters in every game.
>>340747474
But the most popular romance in the series, including on /v/, is the timid and awkward scientist girl.
There are people that still have hope in Biowares corpse being moved around by EA?
After DA2? After ME3? After the painfully mediocre DAI?
>>340747474
Bioware is to scared to lose their progressive audience by doing something like that, so we're in the clear. However Bioware writing overly aggressive gay characters has been a thing for a while now.
>>340746209
Fuck Gaider and his stupid edgy speshul snowflake crack addict underage in an adult body husbando.
>>340747841
>Bioware is to scared to lose their progressive audience by doing something like that, so we're in the clear.
"In the clear"? What do you mean exactly?
>>340747479
>"Alright time to upgrade my shit, customize my guns and change my armor around in the shuttle bay"
>Run into Steve sitting in the shuttle bay alone and crying over husbands last message
>Unfortunately I play Paragon on the first playthrough so I have to go over and comfor this very darkskinned man looking and acting like a bitch
Fuck that pansy gimme Vega instead.
>>340747810
Amazing, isn't it?
>>340747306
This
Remember that hunter at the start of Witcher 3? The one you found in the first area of the game? That was a faggot done right. There's no indication that he's gay until you really push him for information, and you found out that his lover got killed for being a queer. It isn't preachy, it doesn't rub it in your face and it actually manages to carry some emotional impact since the character and his story are somewhat believable. It beats the everloving shit out of Bioware's "LOOK HOW FUCKING GAY I AM, I'M SUCH A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE!" writing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAARmhjfp9o
>>340746907
its just a part of elf culture man, just like Muslims marrying 9 year olds.
>>340748018
I can't take Vega seriously after seeing that absolutely hilariously awful anime feature that details his backstory. It's genuinely one of the worst thing's I've ever seen in countless aspects.
>>340747914
We're safe from having a horribly written female party member that's sole character trait is being a slut
>>340748156
>That was a faggot done right.
There is no clear-cut "right" or "wrong" about this you closet case. If you can't handle something being a little in your face without you going all "HELP HELP THE GAYS ARE PREACHING AT ME" maybe you need to grow a thicker skin.
>>340748276
So? You think they're going to write a good character instead?
if its open world itll follow the good old ubisoft code of how to make an 'open world' with stupid side missions and shit.
100 percent going to be shit. the days of good RPGs from big publishers is long over. the first game was already watered down enough
>>340748309
>a little
This character has interactions that don't center around his sexuality
The only interaction with Cortez that isn't centered around his being gay is him picking you up once and his possible death.
>>340748450
As long as it has some depth besides sexual preference being their whole character
>>340748131
It's worrisome. Is this the true face of blind brand loyalty? The last decent bioware game was ME2, and that's over 6 years old at this point. And even that's arguable. Do these people not realize that modern Bioware is just EA wearing the skin of a once beloved developer?
>>340748534
>and his possible death.STEEEEVE
>>340748534
>And his possible death
>Cortez will also be shot down as you head up [through the building], which might lead to his death if you haven't taken the time to talk him through his personal problems.
>>340748260
I'm glad I never watched it then.
I'd have hated Vega if he wasn't so damn likeable around other people.
Like him and Garrus getting into glorified dick measuring contests in the break room. Or he asks about Liara's old job only because he just really likes Dinosaurs.
>>340748309
There's a little in my face and then there's turning your characters into fetish embodiments. I like the one from Witcher 3 because he actually behaves like a human being instead of sauntering up to me and tossing a fistful of jizz into my face.
>>340748619
>I'm okay
>you sure?
>WE'LL GET THOSE BASTARDS........ RAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>340748619
>I'm hit!
>STEEEEEVE
>I'm okay!
>ya sure?
>>340748508
But this is what ME1 fanboys wanted.....MORE EXPLORATION!!!!!
Sounds like that is what we will get. Too bad it will be a completely dead world with little really to do. It will probably be just like DA:Inquisition and play like a single Ayer mmo.
>>340705446
>ANOTHER WAVE!
Kill yourself.
>>340748534
>>340748816
I just hate this notion that there is THE ONE RIGHT WAY™ to do a gay character and that it necessarily involves hiding their sexuality from the player unless they're really determined to find out. And it better be relevant to the plot, otherwise why bring it up? Alternatively, it shouldn't be relevant to the plot so the player is never forced to confront it!
I think the most consistent thing about it is that 1. the character's sexuality is downplayed as much as possible and 2. the character is from a game /v/ already likes anyway. That last one may be the most important.
>>340748156
This. >>340748309In fact, it was horseshit that the peasant got to walk away essentially unscathed while a noble heir is executed. If they were ACTUALLY being as realistic as you insisted, the hunter would have had his guts ripped out and fed to the faggot noble so he'd learn not to embarrass his family again before being shipped off to marry the most prestigious noble daughter they could find for him.Perhaps if they made the hunter the former noble and his lover the peasant that would have been more interesting. Probably would have made him a bit older or more scarred to explain how he could even he decent despite his upbringing.
>>340748829
That would be Ashley saying RAAAAH right?
I think Vega is like YOU BASTARDS ARE GONNA PAY! UNGH YEAH COME ON COME ON!
I feel like this scene was supposed to be an in-game event.
>>340692053
99.9% shit, the casual market have fucked up gaming. Developers now think about making the COD money because of them.
>micro transactions
>day 1 DLC
>Mini DLC
>simplified game mechanics
>hand holding gameplay
I could go on, people have the right to play games but when the developers start to ignore the people who put time into the hobby, the ones who want to play a fulfilling game and one that challenges them it's pretty much setting up for failure.
Its now a mostly a hobby for posers and ideologues. The core fan base has moved onto either old school games or seeking out unknown developers who have some sort of passion for the industry.
/rant over
I hate ME3 and I think Bioware is going to fuck this game up but whenever I see /v/ suggesting what Bioware SHOULD be doing, it's always shitty ideas
>>340748980
>ONE RIGHT WAY
Having a character very obviously there to be "THE GAY" is tokenism and bad writing. Cortez is very obviously there to be "THE GAY".
>>340749168
Well THE GAY guy and he sucked
THE GAY girl was okay but had some embarrassing Bioware tier humor associated with her
>>340748729
I agree, in the game he was surprisingly likeable despite initially coming off as a Jersey Shore meathead.
>>340748980
Ease the player into it
Have a drunken moment at a bar where one of the male party members comments on the players appearance
Don't have them bring up their sexuality during the first 5 conversations you have with them and then proceed to continually bring it up in every other conversation that follows
That's just how most people work, that's how you make at the very least a believable character
>>340749168
mehhh
that argument is conclusory. How do you define if someone is "THE GAY", just if they're Cortez from ME3?
>>340749360
She had like, one line where she wanted to fuck EDI's voice and I think further exploration if you pursued it, but there were other interactions that didn't center around BOY I SURE LIKE VAGINA.
>>340692053
Whats the chances every guy is gay and women are so strong don't need a man independent?
>>340749435
Not him but to me if their whole character is reliant on just their sexual preference than I'd consider them "THE GAY"
>>340749421
>Ease the player into it
So that's assuming the player is uncomfortable with it. Should we really have to?
I mean come on
It's 2016.
>>340749435
If they have no or extremely few interactions that don't center around their sexuality. If most of the time, you are being reminded that they are gay by the character, that character is "THE GAY".
The only thing they have to do to get me to buy it (a key of course) is litterally copy paste the coop mode from 3 and add some to it.
They might still fuck it up.
I have absolutely no hope for the sp whatsoever.
Here's the thing with sexuality when writing a character. Literally every aspect of a character should do something to inform the audience about that character. That means their name, their height, how they look, their race, their voice, what they wear, and yeah their sexuality. Nothing about a character should be coincidental.
>>340749110
Agreed
>>340714427
>reply: reply Evacuating Thessia
>from: xXxSephirotDarkFoxLengxXx
>Say that to my face and not online and see what happens.
>reply: Evacuating Thessia
>from: Commander Shepard
>"What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in specter training, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on The illusive man, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in space combat and I’m the top sniper in the entire Alliance military. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before in this galaxy, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the extranet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the universe and your omnitool is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, gook. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Citadels specter armory and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
>
>-Shepard
>>340749421
>continually bring it up
If after they became identified as gay EVERY SINGLE conversation with them referenced it, it would be pretty fucking forced. I mean do you know anyone who does that?
>God, I could really go for some ice cream. COCK FLAVORED BECAUSE I'M A GAY MAN
>Phew, this planet has some steep opposition. We should try to lay low. AND THEN PERFORM A DEEP PENETRATION TO THEIR REAR. GET IT? BUTT FUCKING.
>>340748980
I never said there was a "one right way". I said that it was "a right way".
It gives the character some depth and a fleshed out backstory. He isn't reduced to fetish fuel - he's presented as a real person trying to get by, even though he's something the world doesn't want him to be. I look at him and think to myself "this seems like a very believable human being."
Want to make a voluptuous and sexually charged gay guy? Fine. But for fuck's sakes, don't make it his sole defining quality.
>>340749485
I meant the voice and also the dumb toothbrush gag in the Citadel DLC but other than that she was ok.
You're Cool:
James Vega
>You're Ok:
Samantha Traynor
I Don't Want You:
Steve Cortez
Get Off My Ship:
Diana Allers
>>340749556
Ease them into the relationship not the sexuality, this way the player could take the time to determine if they liked what that character is aside from just gay
>>340749850
Vega was a surprisingly okay character.
>>340749110
>tfw only playing Mountain Blade, X3 and other stuff like that
I've completely lost hope in modern games. Stellaris was fun for a bit though and I loved TW3.
>>340749850
I thought Vega was going to be a shitty character until he drops a shuttle on a rampaging killbot. It was cheesy as hell but it's fun.
>>340749850
>You're Cool:
>James Vega
>>You're Ok:
>Samantha Traynor
>I Don't Want You:
>Steve Cortez
>Get Off My Ship:
>Diana Allers
Pretty much.
>>340745824
The dwarf female seems weird as you could play as one in da:o and romance people.
>>340749768
>Want to make a voluptuous and sexually charged gay guy? Fine. But for fuck's sakes, don't make it his sole defining quality.
But that's the catch. If it's not hidden enough, /v/ will let that define the character, regardless of the writer's efforts.
>>340749556
>it's 2016
Yeah, usually when I talk with someone, they don't feel the need to tell me their sexual orientation in the first few sentences.
I mean, c'mon, it's 2016. We're past that. We just fucking talk, and when I get to know the guy, I might discover he likes cock instead of vagina.
I wouldn't like a person who defines him or herself with their orientation, and I do not like those people in games either.
Inquisition was legitimately a step in the right direction and if it dropped the MMO quest shit it might have been pretty decent. They also seem to have been allowed a real dev cycle for this.
I think there's a chance it will be good but honestly the odds aren't in its favour and I don't blame anyone for dismissing it outright.
>>340692868
>and if they hadn't shat the bed at the end it would be a top 10 game of all time.
>He thinks thinks fetch quests are quality content
I liked how Shepard had a real sense of agency in ME1. In 2 and 3 he's just doing as he's told. Hell, in ME3, he spends the game not even knowing how the superweapon he's helping build is supposed to work.
One of many problems with ME3 is that I don't know what it was going for. I mean think of it like this
>Mass Effect 1
Pulpy sci fi schlock
>Mass Effect 2
Action movie + Seven Samurai
>Mass Effect 3
??? Just stuff happening ???
eventually somebody is going to make a Plinkett style review of ME3 and it will get millions of views on Youtube
>>340749768
>Want to make a voluptuous and sexually charged gay guy? Fine. But for fuck's sakes, don't make it his sole defining quality.
But /v/ loves straight women that do that
>>340750160
The graphics and combat might've been a step in the right direction, but the writing and dialogue was the worst I've ever witnessed.
>Amnesia chosen one storyline with forced token characters and romances
Fucking hell
>>340750278
They don't though. Unless it's in actual porn, very few "Straight up slut" characters get praised. Ever heard anyone laud Isabelle from DA2?
>>340750142
And yet I somehow doubt you'd have a similar kneejerk response to aggressively straight characters.
Like that woman from The Division /v/ got mad about a while back. If she had asked you to find her husband, no one would've cared.
>>340692868
>ME3 was only bad because of the ending meme
When will this finally die? The entire game was utter shit. ME2 did combat better and ME1 did story/atmosphere/RPG elements better. ME3 is the objective worst.
Also you don't even have to entertain Diana Allers being on the Normandy.
But it's just soooo satisfying to kick her off the damn ship, I brought her along anyway.
Kicking her off is like a one time pick-me-up you save for when the bad story has gotten to be too much for you.
Also you could put Dr. Michel from ME1 on the Normandy instead of Chakwas for some weird reason.
>>340749953
What's annoys me the most is, once they move into something else after butchering this industry. We will still be around to pick up the peices and the cycle will repeat when it starts to pick up again..
>>340750258
2 was alright in that regard, IM acted the same way as the Council did. You can even nuke the Collector Ship instead of giving the tech to him.
In ME3 you're literally doing Hackett's job though.
>>340750393
Bioware characters are unfair examples since hardly anyone on /v/ will admit to liking anything from them.
I'd say DoA might be a better example but then again that's skirting the
>Unless it's in actual porn
line.
>>340750278
Do they? I feel like if a woman is even hinted at not being a virgin, people sperg out about her not being PURE or some shit.
>>340750408
>agressively straight characters
Name one. Name one instance where a girl (or guy, if you play a girl) immediately tries to talk you into bed and says something like; "I'm so fucking straight, I fucked 3 girls just the other night"
That's how Bioware writes a gay character. I'd equally hate a straight characters that does that shit.
>>340750457
Doesn't Dr. Michel disappear after one of the raids on the Citadel?
>he fell for the "ME3 MP was good" meme
>>340750516
>DoA
Yeah, that's just straight up fanservice. Nobody is playing those games for the story. Senrans aren't reknowned for their deep character development either, they are there for fapbait. Notice, neither of these games are seen as serious story driven games.
>>340750553
Probably. I don't remember that one.
I think when you add her to the Normandy even she will be like "Me? but why? Chakwas is right over there"
>>340750501
But in 2 you were always doing explicitly what TIM told you to until that choice at the end and it gets retconned into oblivion in ME3 either way. ME1 had Shepard firmly in command and running the show. Even when the council came and gave you info, they would remind you that you're the one running the operation and they were just offering suggestions if you jumped on them too enthusiastically.
>>340750546
>Name one. Name one instance where a girl (or guy, if you play a girl) immediately tries to talk you into bed and says something like; "I'm so fucking straight, I fucked 3 girls just the other night"
I don't know. They don't really stand out because they're the norm.
>>340750708
>There are people who paid for ME3
>>340750906
That's bullshit and you know it. You can't name a single one, if they were the norm you'd have a list of goddamn characters.
>>340699330
>that pic
>most people don't even remember the Eno'Sanon.
>You had to have the Javik day-1 DLC to learn about them.
>>340750956
I got the collector's edition. The art book is actually pretty nice, but it's a constant reminder of regret.
>>340698870
Yeah, it was pretty awful.
The codex was golden though. Actual hard sci-fi, or so I thought.
As the game progressed it became more and more obvious they were barely following the codex at all.
By the second game it was obvious they'd never even read it and probably threw the whole thing out and fired the guy who wrote it.
That codex from the first game was literally the only good thing about the entire mass effect series and I hope the guy who wrote it reads this.
>>340750956
>there are some people who bought the digital deluxe>those people include me
>>340750898
Gotcha, you still have more freedom than in 3 though.
Does anything happen if you decide to give the Collector tech to TIM?
>>340750956
I had to.
Had to finish those playthoughs I started in 1+2 and see it through to the end.
>>340750997
It's pretty much every straight character, though.
If you write a gay character the way you write straight characters, straight people will feel attacked and like it's special pandering. That's just how it goes.
>>340751174
In the cerberus base you invade there's the human reapers head instead of it's "Heart"
>>340751294
>I had to.
No, you wanted to. There's a big difference.
>>340751174
According to the wiki, you get the human Reaper's brain instead of the heart. It will have slightly more value in being a war asset than the heart and lowers the EMS requirement for the best control ending, but that's it.
>>340749758
>God, I could really go for some ice cream. COCK FLAVORED BECAUSE I'M A GAY MAN
>>340751334
But it's not though. It's not at all. I'm struggling to come up with a character that in every conversation brings up their affinity for vaginas. There was the drunk dwarf from DA:O but he's lecherous in damn near every way and even HE has conversations about things other than vaginas.
>>340751423
>The game punishes you for not helping build up the writer's OC doughnut steel faction
Jesus fucking christ.
>>340751334
>It's pretty much every straight character, though
No, it's fucking not. The fact you can't even come up with a SINGLE example means you're full of shit.
If it was that common, it would've been easy for you to list dozens of characters.
Benis
>>340751076
One million sperm and you had to be the fastest.
>>340751364
I did it either way.
I quit and deleted everything after I was done with Vanguard+Flare/Romance Garrus playthrough because I knew there was no more enjoyment I could find in it afterward.
I could finish that Soldier/Romance Miranda path
I could start that Engineer/Romance Tali path
Or I could just delete everything, erase all dlc, shove my 360 back in its box and never play the series again.
All in all I picked the better option.
>>340751501
>I'm struggling to come up with a character that in every conversation brings up their affinity for vaginas.
Well, I'm also struggling to come up with a character who brings up their affinity for cock in every conversation.
You can't exaggerate your examples but demand counter-examples to be literal.
>>340751609
Are you really going to have me go to, say, the dragon age wiki, look up all the character's lines,
and do a comparison between gay and straight ones? Because I'm not gonna.
The reason you don't notice this shit is heteronormativity. A gay character's gayness stands out to you. A straight character's straightness doesn't.
>>340752024
Tell me: when did you realize you were a faggot/abomination in the eyes of God?
>>340752024
>Well, I'm also struggling to come up with a character who brings up their affinity for cock in every conversation.
Zevran
>>340752024
I'm not.
Stephen Cortez. Only times he doesn't is one sentence when he picks you up and one sentence before his possible death. Possibly, one sentence to tell you he's okay after avoiding death.
You're a massive idiot.
>>340752024
>Are you really going to have me go to, say, the dragon age wiki, look up all the character's lines,
and do a comparison between gay and straight ones? Because I'm not gonna
translates to
>are you seriously going to ask me for a source to backup my stupid claim
>I'm not gonna
We know you won't bud. Please never join an actual discussion IRL. Fucking hell.
>>340752024
>unironically using heteronormativity in an argument
You need to go back.
>>340752329
>implying he's not doing it ironically
>>340752024
>suprised that characters are usually straight, just like people in real life
>upset that straight people dominate
>doesn't think a gay character who's written like a degenarate cockmongler isn't bad
You're not actually gay, are you? Because I am, and I'm fucking offended by the characters Bioware writes. They pretend every gay is this flamboyant faggot that can't have a normal conversation for once in their life and always feel the need to talk about their craving for cock.
It really bothers me.
>EA
>Bioware
>Mass Effect
150%
>>340752167
Didn't we already have that thread yesterday?
>>340750956
I bought the N7 Special Edition and ALL the DLCs and i don't regret it one bit. I have more than 300 hours.
>>340752176
Zevran has other conversation topics.
See, it's a double standard. For gay characters it's alright to exaggerate how often they bring up their gayness, but straight characters count as fully fleshed out round personalities as long as they mention something else from time to time.
I wonder if it's even a conscious bias on your part. I'm reminded of the study that found that white people tend to vastly overestimate the proportional number of minorities in a crowd.
>>340752475
You're just missing the point hard.
>>340752176
Grew up in a whorehouse
>>340753014
>as long as they mention something else from time to time
Still haven't heard an example from you of a straight character even referencing their sexuality in MOST conversations.
>at this point he's literally just saying "I'm right but you just don't know it yet because of your biases"
Bait.
>>340753176
Doesn't make that description NOT fit.
>>340752245
I'm not familiar with the character and I can't find a place that lists all his dialogues but I find it hard to believe.
>>340753014
>missing the point
Are you fucking retarded or what?
>>340753346
>he's in an ME thread without even playing the games
Seriously, you have to go back. You don't belong here.
>>340753397
I think he's just pretending to be.
>>340753409
I saw a post about The Witcher 3 using a tired argument and replied to it, and then I got dragged into this mess. Sue me.
>>340753014
>hurr they have other conversational topics
>he doesn't mention cock in EVERY conversation, just the majority of them
Now you're taking shit literal to the letter. Okay, Zevran doesn't talk about cock in EVERY dialogue. Now show me a straight character that does.
After we both established no such characters exist, we can move on to changing the subject in; characters that mention their sexual too much (in almost half or more of their dialogue).
Then you still wouldn't be able to find a straight character and we still have Cortez and Zevran.
Bioware are fucking hacks and you know it.
>>340753397
Nope, pretty sure you are though.
I never once complained that there were more straight characters than gay ones. It's a complete red herring.
>>340699001
Mordin's "I made him a steak" speech was an utterly inexplicable flip flop that existed only because BioWare didn't want any of the "good guys" to do things that aren't Pargagon
will probably suck
it's ea after all
>>340753585
Well it's a damn shame that "Tired argument" remained valid even as you tried to refute it then, isn't it? Now fuck off.
It'll be like Inquisition, an offline MMO. Also the plot will be probably be some overly direct allegory about racism/sexism
>>340753750
>not the refugee crisis
>>340753613
>Okay, Zevran doesn't talk about cock in EVERY dialogue.
He doesn't talk about cock even in most of his conversations. See, you're demonstrating exactly what I was talking about. You're just overly sensitive to characters who openly talk about liking cock.
>>340753746
What the argument that a "gay character done right" is one that avoids mentioning he's gay as much as possible?
I think we've moved on from that a bit since that one was undefensible.
>>340753691
>The reason you don't notice this shit is heteronormativity. A gay character's gayness stands out to you. A straight character's straightness doesn't.
You're actually using the fact there are more straight persons in real life, and thus portrayed in a game as something that makes gays stand out.
Which is not true. Only flamboyant gays stand out, because of how their written. Notice how nobody cared about that gay guy in Fallout:NV, because his character wasn't written around being gay, it was just an aspect of him.
And that's where Bioware fails. They obviously first think;
>we need a 4 gay people, 3 men and 4 women. >Okay now let's design them.
It's reflected in every aspect of their writing and marketing.
>>340753878
I dare say he references wanting to fuck or get fucked in most of his conversations, at least as an optional response.
>>340750487
THE CYCLE HAS REPEATED ITSELF MORE TIMES THAN YOU CAN FATHOM
>>340753878
Why would I be sensitive about it?
I played the game and noticed basically all his conversations revolved around him being gay or bi.
Same with Cortez.
They had no further personality other than that. Their characters was gay (bi). Period.
Ofcourse I notice that and ofcourse it fucking pisses me off.
>>340754014
You lost that argument because you attempted to strawman everybody arguing against you by pretending that they were advocating only for a single execution of a character, then when it was revealed that they just wanted characters whose sexuality wasn't so prominent as so be referenced in the majority of their dialogue you stopped responding because you had lost.
Seriously, get the fuck out of this thread and return to whatever blogsite you came from.
>>340753750
>Buncha niggers somehow fled the Milky Way and somehow ended up in Andromeda
>Not the perfect setup for refugee wankery
>>340754168
>Why would I be sensitive about it?
>I played the game and noticed basically all his conversations revolved around him being gay or bi.
That is exactly why. They don't, but it appears to you that they do.
>>340754234
>You lost that argument because you attempted to strawman everybody arguing against you
No, I keep "losing" arguments because it's one against six or so and you people can't stop strawmanning me.
Fuck this, I'm going to take your advice and go back to/v/
>>340754380
>That is exactly why. They don't, but it appears to you that they do
No, they actually do. Maybe start looking at all the dialogue files or actually play the game before you're just going to spout fallacies.
>>340754380
>you can't stop strawmanning me
>in the same post in which he literally argues that he's right but the opponent just is too biased to see it
>>340754380
>You are sensitive about it, because my argumentation says you are
Welp, circular reasoning is worse than using a strawman. Good job mate.
>>340754380
>it's one against six
You mean, six people are constantly refuting you and you can't stand being wrong.
Ofcourse people are going to tell you you're retarded if you just blatantly spout bullshit, what the fuck did you expect?
If your arguments actually held any ground, you wouldn't have ANY trouble defending a "1v6".
>Tumblrite trying to argue on /v/
How do these people keep finding this website?
>>340699001
They should have put Grunt in the squad.
>>340692053
more pew pew and less rpg, skills, talent, skill points or whatever.
>>340720289
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKgSiPqi39w
>>340756746
>Ashley shutting Garrus up with a gesture
who the fuck do you think you are?
>>340752475
Same. The writing is highly exploitive and geared solely for fetishists who want to get off on it. None of it adds to the story.
You can tell right away that the homosexual romances are shoehorned in to garner to a specific crowd. Gay people might like the actual characters, but what happens between your character and the other on screen is fucking dreadful.
>>340756746
That's a pretty neat trailer.
>>340757329
Oh bioware is beyond terrible at actual romance. Straight or gay.
>>340757450
But entirely bullshit. Even though that ingame was much better.
I'm glad all EA games use Denuvo these days, it means I'll never see how bad this game is firsthand.
>>340757527
I'm fine with a trailer bullshitting when it's for a story-driven game. I'd like it a hell of a lot more than the 'let's spoil the first two acts and most of the third' crap we get these days.
>>340692053
>>340758676
If mass effect sex was this level of depraved insanity, I might actually like the games more.
But no it's just slight nudity.
>>340758676
I wish
