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>>340685072
I hope you only play in 1080p and don't plan to SLI this card.
Report to the ship as soon as possible, we'll bang okay?
>>340685515
People who buy AMD aren't enthusiasts anyways. Only true PC gamers will buy NVIDIA.
Just give me some proper fucking benchmarks, so I know which one is the bigger piece of shit.
>>340685515
that's precisely what I want famalamshamdamn
>>340685650
its an efficient, cool running 290x/390 for $200
>>340685515
It has at least 390, probably close to 390x/Fury performance. That's 2560x1440 territory.
1080p is becoming obsolete
>>340685515
that's literally what everyone wants and exactly what the card is designed to do and also aimed at.
>>340685072
Fucking SOON.
>tfw throwing this at a 1440:900 monitor
>>340686268
>That's 2560x1440 territory.
For what NEW/Upcoming games?
>>340687569
>1440:900
sorry meant 1440x900
>>340687586
all of them at high-ultra settings.
>>340685610
and non idiots dont buy refresh cards when new tech is weeks away.
>Radeon
>>340685072
So is it better for me to get this card or save an extra 150 for the GTX1070?
Right now I'm on a GTX760 and I only have a 1080 monitor.
>rx 480
>£236
>50% slower than 1070
>gtx 1070
>£320
>50% faster than 480
looks like amd fucked up the pricing once again
>>340688590
Like you I too am on a 760
Since we're gpu brothers we should just both wait for the 490 instead.
Is there a cucknada pricing announced yet?
>>340688698
>failing this hard at maths
>failing this hard at conversion rates
>failing this hard at reading benchmarks
>>340688698
>50% slower than 1070
you mean 20%
>>340688590
Who's the female?
>>340689116
>In games that favor AMD cards
>>340688698
>50%
>480X 3Dmark11 graphics score is 18060
>1070 score is 23663
>24% slower
>>340689323
actually in 3dmark11
>>340688698
>RX 480
>$200
>24% slower than 1070
>GTX 1070
>$380
>being a yuropoor
>he's not waiting for the 490
ARE YOU RETARDED OR SOMETHING
>>340688954
It's tempting to just pick up one of these new graphic cards cause they're so cheap, but there's another part of me that says I should wait.
I've yet to play The Witcher 3 or the Metro series, other than those I can't think of anything else on PC that I want to play to benefit from the purchase of a new GPU using a 1920x1080 monitor.
>>340689719
>he's not waiting for the GTX 1580
>>340689116
>every single media outlet predicting real world 390x equivalent performance
>43% difference between the 390x and 1070 in 3dmark
>>340688698
Where the fuck are you getting those prices from
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2016/0085551.html
>>340689752
>but there's another part of me that says I should wait.
Well duh. Just wait for the 490 in a few months and see how it compares to the 1070. Then see how the 480's doing
In the end you have a clear view of what to get. If I'm gonna be getting a card for 3-4 years, I'm not gonna be buying on impulse.
>>340689719
>wait fag
Yea, and by the time the 490 after market comes out, then the 490X will be announced without benchmarks. Then when the 490X comes out, the 5XX series will be announced. Then when the 5XX series comes out, then 580 will come out.
Do you see a pattern here?
>>340689879
http://www.kikatek.com/P788949/21260-00-20G-SAPPHIRE-TECHNOLOGY-RADEON-RX-480
http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2016/06/nvidia-gtx-1080-1070-pascal-specs-price-release-date/
>>340689837
>actual 3dmark scores for 480 exist
>b...but media outlets said
>>340690082
490x is too expensive. People generally want to stay in the 300-400 buck range. The x series gives marginal gains you can achieve through an overclock.
>>340688698
the gtx 1070 is at least £400 you mong
480 will be around ~£170
>>340690262
>mong
You're the mong
>>340690082
that's not how GPU releases work. AMD 5xx series and Nvidia 11xx series aren't due until 2018.
GPU releases work in 18 months cycles. Waiting ~3 months for a card that will stay current for ~15 months is in fact a smart choice.
I hope the R9 480 sells like crazy and that Nvidia does a price cut on the 1070 in response.
>>340687586
m8, I can play MEC on high at 1440p and maintain 45-70 FPS, and I'm only runnning a 280x, which is/was a $170-$220 GPU.
>>340690556
>Nvidia does a price cut
>>340685515
>mfw perfectly content with 1080p
>mfw this may be the last card I have to buy for a decade because advances in graphics have grinded to a snail's pace
>>340690556
The launch of the RX 480 is going to get tons of press for weeks. It'll definitely sell.
>>340685072
That card DOES look amazing, but something I've found, is as games slowly plateau, and lower settings look more and more like higher settings, I find power isn't as important as continued support, which is, at the risk of being called a shill, something nVidia still has over AMD, by orders of magnitude.
>>340690707
Consoles are gonna release a new one every 3 years
So yes you'd need a new card. I guess the good thing is you'd get a lot more power out of a 300-400 dollar card than a 400 dollar console with paid online.
>>340690170
>unconfirmed 3dmark scores exist
yeah and they all show different things. like the one which showed it has worse than 390 performance. but ok, lets just settle on it has worse than 390 performance because 3dmark can't lie after all according to you :^)
>>340690774
>I regurgitate /g/ memes like they're factual
>I never actually look at benches when new drivers are released
Just off yourself.
So is this a good upgrade from the 750Ti?
>>340685880
So your saying its what the 290x should have been 2 years ago
>>340690861
"need" is a strong word.
>>340690262
are you thick? nvidia have confirmed the board partner cards are starting from £320 and the 480x pricing has already been leaked on sales websites at £230+
>>340689837
and they're delusional
It's a 2304 shader 1266mhz design, it already gets 5.8 teraflops vs the 5.9 teraflops a 390X gets; and Polaris is meant to give massive IPCPC increases, on the order of 25%.
It's a shade under the Fury, and this is completely supported by the Fury getting 18287 in 3Dmark11 graphics section
>>340690861
>Consoles are gonna release a new one every 3 years
>So yes you'd need a new card
I don't think you know what consoles are, because otherwise you wouldn't be saying such stupid shit.
>>340688107
source?
>>340689957
>someone else knows about the variable SIMD size patent
>>340690454
Twelve month cycles dipshit
18 months meant there was a delay, usually on AMDs slow ass
>>340690774
>Nvidia
>continued support
Maxwell is losing out to Hawaii in most benchmarks these days.
Kepler gets completely wrecked by Hawaii/Tonga/Tahiti despite being more expensive to buy at the time.
Nvidia's basically stops delivering performance improvements to their old cards once their new generation is out.
>>340689752
Dude for 199 you can't lose. Go for it.
>>340690131
>KIKETEK
>>340690881
>in the 3dmark databse
>unconfirmed
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11263084
Now point out the one that is supposedly worse than 390. Oh wait. you can't.
>>340691148
That's more or less because AMD rebrands their cards for years after years releasing the same cards while nivida actually creates new tech and advances GPU research
NVidia already took the rebrand and OC your shit till it literally explodes in people computers and learned their lesson.
AMD has yet to learn this lesson or more realistically don't care. Much like their continued failed driver support that is abysmal
>>340691475
HOW
O
W
>>340691030
It isn't necessarily 2,304 ALUs.
The patent which very likely is 4th gen GCN depicts variable sized CU with 2 or more high throughput scalar units. AMD's future arch isn't a fixed 4X16 SIMD lane design like SI, CI, and VI.
All that AMD confirmed is that the RX 480 has 36CU.
20 of those could be 4X16.
10 of them could be 4x4.
6 of them could be 2x2.
Each of them could have 2 scalar units.
That would work out to only 1,464 vector ALUs.
>>340691148
benchmarks show otherwise. the 970 is still competing with the 390, winning some and losing some. the 980 is still faster than the 390x and just under a fury, and the 980 ti is still faster than the fury x. all at the most popular resolution.
>>340690637
>I can play MEC
Why would you though?
>>340691475
graphics score is what matters on 3Dmark btw, the 18060 number is from that
>>340691475
http://wccftech.com/radeon-rx-480-3d-mark-benchmarks/
>You are looking at performance levels of the Radeon R9 390 at almost 40% discounted off the starting MSRP and nearly twice the power efficiency.
>>340691005
are you thick?
£320 doesn't include VAT.
The Rx 480 is $199 for the 4GB version, in pounds that's ~£139, with vat included it'll be around £170, so including msi/asus/sapphire stuff, it'll be £200, and maybe £230 at most.
>>340691590
pretty much this. i'd expect older amd cards to work worse than older nvidia cards after polaris/vega comes out because they just don't have the budget to release drivers on that scale. hell, they can't even release good drivers for the cards they currently have, see: doom, mirrors edge catalyst at release.
>>340691648
desu that matters more on the game list than anything
>>340691739
>currytech
390X gets 16975 btw
>>340691787
the 4gb is £236
>>340691739
The score shown in the benchmark puts it ahead of a 980. the intern that wrote the wccftech article is retarded. Also evidenced by the fact that the benchmark was leaked in May and wccftech put out the article now.
>>340692282
where is your proof?
>>340692348
http://www.kikatek.com/P788949/21260-00-20G-SAPPHIRE-TECHNOLOGY-RADEON-RX-480
>>340692392
clearly says 8GB you fucking imbecile
>>340691475
I wonder how one of these would fair at 3440x1440.
>>340692498
>you fucking imbecile
>>340692498
even worse. 170 -> 235 just for 4gb extra ram. nah not worth it.
>60fps limit
>>340692392
>8G
that's the 8 gigabyte version at £236
4gb will be much less
>>340691590
>>340691925
Are you idiots or have you just never worked with GPU programming?
http://developer.amd.com/wordpress/media/2012/12/AMD_Southern_Islands_Instruction_Set_Architecture.pdf
http://developer.amd.com/wordpress/media/2013/07/AMD_Sea_Islands_Instruction_Set_Architecture.pdf
http://amd-dev.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wordpress/media/2013/07/AMD_GCN3_Instruction_Set_Architecture.pdf
All GCN refers to is the basic structure pictured
>>340692664
good thing you only need 4GB for 1080p
>>340692290
Wow, new amd cards are as fast as titan x's, for 200 dollars? Thats a steal!
>>340692901
Get hype on the new shit
>>340691005
>thinking that's a reliable source
If the 1080's $380 MSRP translates to £329 (exchange rate + 20% VAT), then the 480's $200 MSRP will translate to £170.
The $230-$250 8GB variant will be £190- £210
>>340692998
>r9 300 series comes out
>OMG 8gb vram!!
>haha nvidiots with only 4gb vram xD
>in 2 years time all games will use more than 4gb at 1080p
>rx 400 series comes out
>4gb vram
>b-but no one needs 8gb
>4gb is p-perfectly fine for 1080p
>no one ever said you need 8gb vram and all those /g/ archive threads and forum posts are a lie!
yeah nah
>>340685072
But why?
What games are you looking to run that needs all that?
>>340693065
1080's are over £600
So what's the goto card of this generation if I want to VR?
>>340693412
But Nvidia promised that custom cooled cards would be 1/7 cheaper.
>>340693597
the 1080 FE is £700
>>340693561
RX 480
VR for the masses at only $199.
>>340693065
the 480 will be well above £200. stop deluded yourself. i can buy a used gtx 980 and overclock it to 980 ti levels of performance for around the same price.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-980-SC-SuperClocked-Gaming-ACX-2-0-4GB-/142021084933?hash=item21111dc705:g:KfMAAOSw9eVXWvRI
>>340685072
I'm buying her card!
>>340693561
if you want budget tier (shit tier) vr then buy a fucking ps4. it will at least have good optimization.
>>340693561
GTX 1070
VR for the masses at only $379.
>>340685072
yes, this round I'm going with POO IN LOO instead of YELLOW JOO.
I have a 980 and I'm waiting for the 1080ti to upgrade, when does that come out?
I have a 4k monitor and can only play olderish games at a stable 60fps. Newer games don't run as well maxed out at 4k.
>>340693950
compared to a rx 480*
>>340693959
>>340693950
>>340693695
What if price isn't a concern? Should I just grab a Titan?
>>340693662
No it's not. It's £620 they are in the picture on the left.
The 1070 is the same £400 for FE and £450 for custom. Nvidia are lying Jews.
>>340693412
>Founder's edition
retard
>>340694002
theres no date for it. or even a whisper of a release. so not for a while.
>>340693959
> believing in non-FE MSRP
shiggy diggy, anon.
>>340694002
everyone's guessing Q1'17 for 1080 Ti/Titan X2/whatever and Vega.
>>340685515
ATI is the linux of cards,
sure its technically better on paper and its also cheaper, but its still shit because the world isnt set up for it and no one gives a fuck about them.
>>340694052
no, grab a 1080 because its the most powerful GPU out right now.
>>340694053
http://www.ebuyer.com/749498-gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1080-g1-gaming-oc-8gb-gddr5x-dual-link-dvi-d-gv-n1080g1-gaming-8gd
http://www.ebuyer.com/748735-gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1080-founders-edition-8gb-gddr5x-dual-link-dvi-d-hdmi-displayport-gv-n1080d5x-8gd-b
stop posting.
>>340694178
>not modding your own drivers
>>340693959
>$379
Good joke
>>340694242
>not just buying a nvidia card
see this is exactly what im talking about
>>340694082
look on the right side of the image you dunce
>>340694176
>>340694249
suck my cock retards
so are the 970 and 980 going to drop in price now or what?
>>340694213
Look that the fucking picture you mong >>340693412
What part of maths do you not understand.
>>340694178
another nvidiot
i think your GPU temps have gotten so high you're suffering from heat exhaustion
i've got an R9 390x and it plays every major title at 60FPS, ultra. and then if it isn't optimized, chances are that game is a shitty port and not worth my time/money anyway
enjoy spending 8x more on the same GPU, i'll be spending the money i saved on weed and more vidya
>>340694525
http://www.ebuyer.com/749521-zotac-geforce-gtx-1080-amp-8gb-gddr5x-dual-link-dvi-hdmi-3x-diplayport-zt-p10800c-10p
http://www.ebuyer.com/748208-zotac-geforce-gtx-1080-founders-edition-8gb-gddr5x-dvi-hdmi-3-x-zt-p10800a-10p
>b-but this store is Representative of all pricing in the whole of the uk
you got schooled son. go back to bed.
>>340694621
it's still extremely expensive
>>340685515
>LE 4K MEME XD
Stop with this
first not even the 1080 can 4k60fps
then 1080 is completely fine,even more than fine.
Playing in 1440p is a luxe and the 480 would be able to do that, it's not as demanding as playing in 4k.
>>340694534
enjoy your zero developer support
>>340693959
So where can I buy the GTX 1070 for $379 (= 293€) ?
http://geizhals.de/?cat=gra16_512&xf=1439_GTX+1070
I don't see it.
>>340694534
>i'll be spending the money i saved on weed
this is where you just lost
>>340694810
Those models aren't out yet. The Founders Edition, priced at $449 USD came out this morning, and are now sold out. Aftermarket models from EVGA, ASUS, and the like are coming in the following weeks, and will be priced around $379. supposedly.
>>340694242
Do elaborate, I'm using gtx 760 and planning to jump to rx 480 later this year because nvidishit gimped my card
>>340694621
>b-but this store is Representative of all pricing in the whole of the uk
>post prices from one store
>with £40 price difference from FE
>not the $100 cheaper they said
Well fuck me you're retarded, how much is nvidia paying you to shill?
>>340694742
no one is asking you to buy it you inbred spastic. you claimed one thing and got proven wrong on more than one occasion.
>b-but i'm poor
not a valid argument, retard.
At a 660 right now and I'm planning on getting a 144Hz 1080p monitor, not sure if the 480 will be sufficient or if I would be better off getting a 1070.
>>340694802
wew lad what a great argument. did you not read the part where even games tailored for nvidiots still run at 60FPS for me?
i think i can smell your house burning from over here, better strike a second alarm and get some more fire apparatus down there to rinse out your shitty GPU
>>340693756
>Thinks Nvidia and AMD use different exchange rates
>Calls others deluded
Nvidia shills in action.
>>340689557
>being an amerifatty
>ever
no thanks
>>340694897
>durrr ppl who do le weed are le burnouts
this is where you just realized you're a 49yo mom of three
>>340695090
>he can't into simple gcse exchange rates and tax calculations
welp, back to the basement you go.
>>340695176
why are you so booty blasted over something so simple, it just makes sense to play it safe and go nvidia because the jew overlord wants it so. im simply stating the facts
>>340695190
see >>340692392
amdrones have resorted to denying pricing leaks now.
top kek
So is the 480 actually good? I need a new GPU for about $200
>>340685607
>POO IN THE GPU.jpg
>>340695502
Well my friend, you're in luck. The RX 480 is bringing VR to the masses. It's a $200 card that offers performance higher than that of the GTX 970, last gen's best price/performance card. The 480 is an amazing value, and if you get two (thats just $400) you get performance surpassing the GTX 1080, a $700 card!
>>340689123
the muscle one
>>340688954
>Buy 480
>Sell when 490 comes out
That's what mid range is all about my nigga
>>340695321
>Defending Jews being Jews.
fucking hell
>>340695382
>play it safe and go nvidia
again completely glossing over the fact it's fine to buy AMD and still play games at 60FPS
i think u booty blasted over the hundreds of dollars u wasted my dude
I'm willing to spend $450 on a new graphics card. What do you recommend for me /v/ and why?
>>340695757
ok man whatever, enjoy your tesselation designed to make ati cards not work, or whatever they come up with next. to ruin the card you have now.
>>340695682
>480
>midrange
Pick one
It's a cheap entry level card. If you want a midrange card you have no choice but to buy the GTX 1070 for 500€.
>>340695746
stay mad son, stay mad.
>>340695842
Either a 480 (likely best price/performance) or a 1070 (best card you can get for that much). Definitely do NOT get two 480's, Crossfire is legitimately bad.
>>340695852
history proves AMD cards aging better than Nvidia cards.
780ti gets beaten by R9 290 these days even though the 780ti launched for $700 and the R9 290 launched for $400
>>340695502
It's leaked 3d mark 11 scores are extremely promising, offering performance in the range of 980/Fury, last years $500 cards, it'll only cost $199 and is estimated to only use between 90-110 watts so it's extremely power efficient and that probably translates to cool and quiet as well
>>340695634
(You)
>>340685072
>buying AMD
literally kecks lol
>>340695273
>lol 420 blaze it
how does it feel to be a degenerate?
>being loyal to a brand
Go back to your console war threads
>>340693396
>all that
Its a mainstream card that starts at less than $200
>>340695890
The x80 card has always been the mid-high range card, are you retarded? Entry level is shit like the x60/x70 and below.
>>340691787
What the fuck is VAT?
>>340695435
But we already know the 8Gb version will have a small premium, not to mention its an aftermarket version from sapphire, you need to remember AMD isn't keeping their customers with a $100 premium for the reference card which only allows seller a to tag the extra $100 premium onto aftermarket cards like what's going on with Nvidia
>>340691139
>GTX 980: September 2014
>GTX 1080: June 2016
>>340696140
Where do you think you are faggot?
>>340694181
Thanks anon.
>>340696667
>which only allows seller a to tag the extra $100 premium onto aftermarket cards like what's going on with Nvidia
except this has been disproven in this very thread. you can get aftermarket 1080's with better cooling and clocks for cheaper than the reference. it's not american tier cheaper because of tax but it's still cheaper never the less.
>>340694213
>>340694621
here's more proof:
http://www.ebuyer.com/749493-evga-geforce-gtx-1080-sc-gaming-8gb-gddr5x-dvi-d-hdmi-3x-displayport-08g-p4-6183-kr
http://www.ebuyer.com/748641-evga-geforce-gtx-1080-founders-edition-8gb-gddr5x-dvi-d-hdmi-3x-displayport-08g-p4-6180-kr
>>340685515
I only need a cheap upgrade from my 770, anon. If the 480 manages to get solid 60 fps at 1080p in Witcher 3, then I'm sold.
>>340697046
>preorder
>>340696667
https://www.amazon.de/ZOTAC-GeForce-1080-GDDR5X-NVID/dp/B01GCAVSIO/ref=sr_1_9?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1465613254&sr=1-9&keywords=gtx+1080
here's a 1080 for well cheaper than what you showed.
>GTX 1080 Founders Edition
>$1150
>>340685072
Who cares, not any new games out worth playing
>>340695890
480 looks pretty midrange to me senpai-sama-kun, 1070 is like barely high end
>>340697274
who cares? the argument was that board partners were selling the aftermarket cards with the same $100 premium as the FE. i disproved that by showing they're in actual fact cheaper.
>>340688590
I have no idea what's going on in that picture.
>>340686268
>1080p is becoming obsolete
Anything past 1080p with current high end GPUs is pointless unless you have a 144ghz monitor big enough to fit all those extra pixels.
>arguing about GPUs that aren't even out yet
>they will probably end up having a very small upgrade to the last tier
>implying you HAVE to run all your games at ultra and not drop something to high
I've been using ATI/AMD cards for 10+, and this was my first time buying an Nvidia card. I'm tired of being called a poorfag and treated like a 2nd class citizen. The harassment is too much to bear.
Now I've joined the elite in search of "greener" pastures. Sorry, AMD but I can't anymore ;_;
>>340697514
Actually they are
Only a jew could look at this and say "this is perfectly acceptable! Stick with Nvidia"
>>340698014
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487243&cm_re=gtx_1080-_-14-487-243-_-Product
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487246&cm_re=gtx_1080-_-14-487-246-_-Product
can't tell if this is trolling or just people who are legitimately thick in the head.
>>340696775
>GeForce GTX 480 March 26, 2010
>GeForce GTX 580 November 9, 2010
>GeForce GTX 680 March 22, 2012
>GeForce GTX 780 May 23, 2013
>GeForce GTX 980 September 18, 2014
See none except Kepler which was delayed took much more than 1 year and even then Kepler came out before 18 months
>>340698912
You there, tell me wtf VAT is
>>340698014
lol is that best buy's website?
yeah things tend to cost more money when you haven't the slightest fucking clue where to buy them. why don't you buy your video cards at sears next time
>>340699008
Don't know cause I'm American but apparently its some sort of commie yuropoor thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-added_tax
>>340699079
That's Amazon
>>340699008
Essentially sales tax.
>>340699130
>>340699250
I suspected as much. Thank you very much.
>>340685610
>No true Scotsman
>>340685072
here' some eraly footage
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oICHvlqApBc&feature=youtu.be
Who /GTX 1080/ here?
>>340698912
why did nvidia skip the 800 series again
>>340699693
who else /welldonewithketchup/ here?
Spoonfeed me, /v/
If I have an R9 290 is this going to be a worthwhile upgrade? Have any benchmarks or reviews even came out yet?
>mfw my g1 980 ti is still running everything flawlessly
I know it's an unfair comparison from a tech standpoint, but as a new PCfag, what would be the Nvidia card to compare this to?
>>340699885
gtx 970
>>340699979
Thanks anon. From what I've seen, it looks like a better deal than what current 970's go for, at least in terms of price.
>>340694534
>unironically smoking weed
>>340698912
580 was fermi refresh, not a new generation. Basically a hotfix for the disaster that was Fermi.
780 was just the bigger version of Mepler, 770 and below were rebrands.
What you listed there are 3 true generations over the space of 42 months. That's a 21 months gap between architectures.
>>340699751
It was a mobile card rebrand line much like the 300 series
>>340700061
see >>340691739 for more info
>>340700094
>Mepler
Kepler
Fuck it's late
>>340700061
Yeah but its faster and its nvivdia so you don't have to deal with unoptimized drivers
And no Nvidia wont "downgrade" because pascal is basically Maxwell structure wise
>>340700094
Wow your really reaching hard just to be right aren't you?
>>340699693
What's the word for light pink throughout? That's my favorite but It's kind of hard to achieve.
>>340699858
The RX 480 is performing around an R9 390 based on 3DMark 11 and the half dozen bench runs on the RadeonDemo profile for AoTS.
The R9 390 outperforms a stock R9 290X for comparison.
Its new arch with a bunch of specialized stuff for VR, and its fairly low power, OC headroom is anyone's guess. It wouldn't be a mind blowing upgrade, but a solid step up for cooler card.
>>340700328
Pascal is somewhat similar to Maxwell, but they are internally very different. Pascal has a longer pipeline and is lower IPC which helps it achieve those clocks.
>>340701070
I doubt youll see the "downgrade" like between Kepler and Maxwell though is my point
>>340700432
but it's true. Just because they write a bigger number on the card doesn't make it a new generation of GPUs.
AMD had the same number of generations in the same timeframe. HD 6000, HD 7000 and R9 200 were true generations and R9 300 was just rebrands with Fury being the bigger version of GCN1.2/Tonga, just like 780 was the bigger version of Kepler/680.
>>340693959
>520Euros
>Five Hundred and Twenty Euros
>>340701654
Feel better now?
>>340699885
Nvidia has no comparison with this card right now from a price/perf perspective, just like AMD has no flagship tier card to compete with the 1080 at the moment
>>340701654
AMD had VLIW5 and VLIW4 in the HD 6000 serious.
There is no such thing as GCN 1.X.
AMD has released cards based on:
Southern Islands
Sea Islands
and Volcanic Islands architecture
All of them being distinctly different. They are now launching 4th gen GCN which is the most radical change ever to the family.
Thats 5 new architectures within a span of 6 years. All bringing fundamentally new IP to market despite older dies continuing to sell.
This might be a stupid question but why don't AMD and Nvidia release more cards at the same time? What's th epoint of spreading out the release? Nvidia and AMD aren't even aiming at the same market yet. Seriously, why couldn't AMD just release the 490 to compete with the 1070, or have the 1060 come out so we could compare it to the 480?
>>340702965
Why don't they release anything to compete with 1070/80? Because it doesn't exist
AMD struggles to keep up with the performance of Nvidia
They dropped the ball with Polaris and they know it so they are jumping into the midrange before Nvidia.
Its desperation at its finest
>>340690774
>nvidia literally gimping 1070 so it can never catch up to a 1080 reference no matter how much you overclock
>just like they have been ninja patching older cards to perform worse so people buy the new ones
Looks like you're gonna need a good support while nvidia reams your ass.
>>340685072
My R9 270X just crapped itself. I have no idea what this card is, but would it be my logical upgrade?
>>340702965
Multiple ICs going from concept to final product is a huge process. They generally only work on a few dies at a time because spreading manpower thin wouldn't get anything accomplished faster.
AMD brought out their entry level and mid range first because they already had a customer lined up. Apple. Apple is featuring Polaris 11 based GPUs in a new line of laptops, and Polaris 10 based GPUs in their new iMac.
Thats guaranteed revenue for millions of units right off the bat. Thats how you win contracts.
>>340703324
Wait so you expect them to sell a card with the same performance for half the price?
Fuck you might as well bitch they aren't giving you it for free
>>340703557
Yes
>>340703610
So what is it?
>>340703569
Also Polaris 10 will go into the PS4.5.
>>340703769
Stop it
PS4 neo is just a higher clock on the same card
>>340696017
>history proves AMD cards aging better than Nvidia cards.
>780ti gets beaten by R9 290 these days even though the 780ti launched for $700 and the R9 290 launched for $400
Exactly
Anyone who plans to keep these for 3-4 years knows amd is the way to go. Only an idiot looks at initial gameworks game benchmarks on day 1 and makes their choice.
>>340703893
>>340703769
Actually neither sony nor ms finalized their consoles. Anything can go.
>>340703769
I doubt they're going to use discrete components. It'll be a new APU.
>>340703893
There is no "card" in the PS4.
>>340685610
HURR IF YU DUNT BUY THU ENVIDYIA CARD YUR NUT A REAL GAYMER
>>340703607
>Wait so you expect them to sell a card with the same performance for half the price?That's what they did with the 970
>>340704147
Actually now that I think about it, are there even any APU's that can output the same peformance as a 380x/970? That's what everyone says the new consoles will be like, but I kind of find it hard to belive AMD has an APU that strong.
>>340703730
AMD Rx480, a mainstream card based off the new Polaris architecture, $199 for 980/Fury performance
>>340704330
No. It might use polaris tech but as an apu it would be downclocked and weaker.
But again since sony and ms haven't solidified their shit, they can simply scrap it and release late 2017 to try to match the scorpio. I wouldn't say anything is set in stone so pretending it uses so and so is pointless
>>340704318
Well you cant expect a "card deal of the decade" to come out every year do you?
The 970 was just that good when it came out
>>340704330
The APU inside the PS4 isn't available on the free market either.
If they could fit a 7850 on an APU back then they can fit a 480 on an APU now.
>Its a no drivers graphics card
>>340704147
>There is no "card" in the PS4
No shit, quit being an ass. Everybody knows its a shitty laptop APU
>>340704330
Current APUs are still cheap generic 28nm HPP produced primarily as mobile chips. Kaveri/Godavari and Carrizo/Bristol Ridge are all created to perform ideally at around 35w, with variable TDP from 15w to 42w~.
They don't have anything with a console level IGP because they'd have no way of justifying it. The CPU side is too weak for the desktop market, and a bigger IGP is questionable in mobile.
The upcoming Zen based Raven Ridge will probably be the first chip to change this. Thats relying on a lot of ifs though.
>>340704471
If there is a new PS4 coming, then the chip powering it is already designed and entering production.
The PS4 and Xbone chips were designed in 2011, and entered mass production in 2012 which all dies bear the production date of.
>>340704424
It's closer to 970/390 performance. Maybe the upgraded VRAM one will be closer to the Fury.
>>340703949
there is no evidence either way to prove any company ages better or worse than each other. percentage change is so small you can pull any conclusions from it.
>>340704905
can't*
>>340704679
>mfw I have had more driver issues with my 980 than I did with my 7970
>>340704652
>they can fit a 480 on an APU now.
Don't be an asshole
They are currently fitting about a 290 on their APUs at this point
I would consider the PS4 to be similar just downclocked
>>340704827
>If there is a new PS4 coming, then the chip powering it is already designed and entering production.
>The PS4 and Xbone chips were designed in 2011, and entered mass production in 2012 which all dies bear the production date of.
If it was being mass produced we'd hear about it by now. This isn't a brand new launch. They're not gonna make a shit load of neos like the old ps4
>>340704867
Not really no, it's 3d mark graphics score puts it well past the 390 and more between the 980/fury
All we really know is both th PS4k and Scorpio will be VR-capable. I've heard the PS4 NEO is close to the 380x, and the Scorpio is close to the 970, but anything can happen.
Regardless is seems likely that both consoles will be able to hold a stable 60fps at 1080p (assuming that the devs unlock their games' framerates), which is obviously a good thing.
>>340705141
>If it was being mass produced we'd hear about it by now.
No you wouldn't. AMD doesn't have to disclose who their semi-custom clients are, its entirely up to Sony/Microsoft to reveal their product.
All AMD has stated is that they have new semi-custom design wins, and they have had a couple in production since the beginning of the year.
Is directx 12 worth it?
>>340693959
RX 480
VR for the masses at only $250
Quick question, I'm kinda new to PC gaming and I don't really know how good my current setup is. I have the GTX 970 and an i5 6400 CPU with 8 GBs of RAM. What do you all think shitty or good enough?
The acronyms...
They scare me.
>>340705504
You're fine, nigga.
>>340705445
If you have multiple graphics card, maybe. AMD is heavily shilling their dual 480 set up in Ashes but I would strongly consider waiting for more benchmarks since SLI/Crossfire is generally awful.
>>340705504
For 1080p it's fine, and will probably be fine for another year or two.
>>340705485
$199*
>>340703321
you're being a bit dumb here
the 480 is a mid range card
the 1070 and 1080 are higher end cards
amd's higher end cards will be the 490 and 490x, which will come out later
>>340705016
That's nice, you're clearly an exception though, there are far, far more driver issues with AMD shit than Nvidia.
Not that Nvidia are perfect, but AMD are consistant in their lack of support. People can whine all they want about Nvidia's shitty business practices, but at the end of the day they have driver support, and AMD do not.
I just want a definitive, cheap, 1080p card.
I don't need more than 1080p.
I will play 1080p for another 10 years.
>>340705382
>All AMD has stated is that they have new semi-custom design wins, and they have had a couple in production since the beginning of the year.
It's called the nx
Also leaks happen
>>340694797
https://youtu.be/r6Gjq7MEhU0
>>340705504
Your setup is better than 80% of all pc gamers. You'll be fine
my graphics card is a gtx 770
i've noticed two things about amd vs nvidia threads
nvidia-drones argue with:
>memes
amd-drones argue with:
>memes
>stats and facts
>>340705713
*conditions and kikery may apply
>>340703321
it doesn't exist because Polaris was never meant to compete with that. What you want is Vega.
They always knew Polaris wasn't competition for the high end market, they were focussing on the mainstream market because it has the biggest consumer base.
They didn't "drop the ball" with Polaris, you fucking retard.
That feeling that you know your gpu that held up for so long might be running its last steps as you have to face the inevitable truth, it will die and I have no money.
>>340705864
480 will probably be the king of 1080p, assuming AMD isn't lying.
Hey guys, just got a new PC and I wanted to know if I can run Age of Empires 3 with the on-board graphics alone.
CPU is Intel i5-4570, 8GB RAM.
Game is like 10 years old but I'm not sure.
>>340705958
Mainstream card from AMD, small die size with large yields, it'll have plenty of availability, these aren't Nvidia Jewish tricks remember
WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE WAIT FOR THE 490
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>340706238
they're sick of waiting
>>340705445
neither nvidia or amd fully support dx12. they both support different feature levels with amd supporting dx12_0 and nvidia dx12_1. it won't be the norm for another few years yet due to the fact devs have to rebuild their whole game engines from scratch to take full advantage of dx12. games that are supposedly dx12 but are in reality dx11 games with bolted on dx12 features are quantum break and gears ultimate and everyone knows how shit they run.
so yeah, don't buy into the "dx11 is dead and dx12 is the norm" meme you keep hearing from people. and before anyone says it, nvidia cards are NOT obsolete because of their weird async support. very, very, very few games will actually take advantage of it unless they're sponsored by amd. also fun fact: async is also a feature of dx11, dx11_3 to be specific.
>>340706108
definitely
>>340706108
definitely.
>>340706238
because the 490 is going to be similar to the 1070. both cards are way overkill for 1080p 60fps gaming.
the 480 is shaping up to be the perfect 1080p 60fps, so that's what i'll get. my graphics card right now is pretty weak.
>>340705016
>tfw 980
>not a single driver issue since i bought it 1.5 years ago
>>340705891
No, the Nintendo console is using an Nvidia Tegra chip.
All of the "leaks" you see here on /v/ are so fucking laughable I can't even put it into words.
>>340706948
Are you serious? If this is true Nintendo might as well file bankruptcy right now because holy shit is that is fucking dumb. Please give a source so I can laugh even harder
>>340707434
Word is it's a beefed up handheld
>>340707434
http://semiaccurate.com/2016/05/12/guess-whos-silicon-is-in-nintendos-nx/
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52119/nintendo-nx-powered-nvidia-tegra-processor-amd-chip/index.html
Main writer for S|A telling people in the non subscriber forums its okay to discuss the details in the pay wall article since other sites picked up the story
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=262206&postcount=122
The NX is a Tegra SoC powered device. Their mobile strategy is very likely going to end up with NX being a tablet platform for shitty mobile games.
>>340707653
And recall Nintendo talking about the use of an OS like Android.
I wouldn't be surprised if the NX platform ends up as a reference tablet, and plug in compute stick, just with Nintendo branding slapped on them.
>>340705382
Not him but it could be the slim models. You have no proof the neo is in production.
>>340707779
Ahahahahhahahahhahahahahhhahahhhah
>>340707653
Fucking gross.
I'm at a loss for words to describe my disgust.
>>340707861
You can't make time to market disappear into smoke.
If the consoles are going to be released any time within the next year or two, then the silicon is near final, or finalized and in production.
Frankly it isn't worth the cost to redesign a 28nm chip entirely just to port it to 14nm. Planar to FinFET is not a simple task, FinFETs have entirely different design rules. All covered in GloFo's webinar on 14nm reference flows. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwa_GqU2LlQ
There probably won't be slim versions of the PS4 and Xbone. The 360 and PS3 went through several die shrinks because it was economical to do so for the volume of systems being sold, and they were going through significant cost reduction in all areas of the systems. The PS4 and Xbone as is are profitable, and they're going to be replaced.
>>340707653
nintendo are finally doing something good by getting a nice, cool nvidia chip in their console compared to the usual space heaters that are in the ps4 and xbone.
>>340708307
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
>>340705265
No fucking way
That's literally impossible for a shitty amd apu
>unironically buying nvidia cards
>>340708263
Think you can confuse me with words like Planar or Finfet huh? I see no proof anywhere in your post
>>340707434
Rumors might be confused and the Tegra powered device is something other than the NX.
>>340708673
There isn't anything hard to understand here.
If Sony/Microsoft want to release a console in 2017, then the chip has to be in production right this minute. Even if 2018 were their target the chip would already be designed.
A 2011 APU didn't go into production in 2012, and end up in systems launching in late 2013 by accident. Test wafers are ran, engineering samples are fabbed, tweaked, risk production starts, then you go into volume ramp with final silicon. It takes time.
>>340706392
>>340706415
Ooh, thanks.
>>340709105
microsoft are already producing something on a mass scale. it was leaked that they've been producing something since january.
>>340709491
The leak said it was the xbone slim which they'll announce in a few days.
I'm not particularly loyal to either AMD or Nvidia, but when exactly are the new AMD GPUs coming out?
>>340709915
480 comes out on the 29th, Vega probably in October
There might be a 490 released in between
>>340709915
June 29 for the mid range cards
>>340709915
the 480 comes out june 19th. the rest of their cards will come out late summer/early fall
>>340710009
Is that June 29th?
Are reliable 480 benchmarks available yet?
>>340710050
meant june 29th
>>340710009
Vega is the 490
>>340709915
the actual relevant amd board partner cards won't be out for a another few months yet. never buy reference
also vega is confirmed to be at least 8 months to a year away. probably around this time next year.
>>340710093
yes, this month
>>340699778
can't get any better than this mate.
>>340710174
but sapphire already has their 480 made and it's set for the june 29th release
http://videocardz.com/60992/sapphire-radeon-rx-480-nitro-pictured
>. never buy reference
why not
Do the AMD reference cards tend to be any good? I don't plan on trying any overclocking or anything but the reports of the heating issues with the Nvidia 1080 got me spooked on the subject.
>>340710331
>why not
because they're shit at cooling and give almost no room to overclock due to the already high temps.
>>340710821
>amd
>reference coolers
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-review/19
avoid at all cost
>>340710905
i dont think so. the 480 averages 96W. that's not really enough to warrant some big cooler.
>>340710009
>http://videocardz.com/60992/sapphire-radeon-rx-480-nitro-pictured
>>340710049
>>340710050
>>340710093
>>340710174
>>340710247
Any idea where the midrange cards stand in terms of Witcher 3 on ultra settings at 2560 x 1080?
Or where they will appear relative to this hierarchy?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
>>340710821
reference cards as a whole are notoriously shit
>>340711297
>Witcher 3 on ultra settings at 2560 x 1080?
that's not midrange lol, that's a bit into high end. but the card you're looking for is the rx 490, which will be a few months away.
>>340711297
The RX 480 is rumored to be about a GTX 980 in terms of power. So look up benchmarks for that card at the resolution you need.
>>340711297
if you're playing at that resolution then get a 1070 or a cheap, used 980 ti. amd won't have a 1070 equivalent for another year (vega).
they already said they won't be competing with nvidia in the high end right now anyway so it's not a shock.
>only 801st in line to get my 20 dollar 1080
how long do you think it'll be...?
>>340711582
Stop the misinformation. Vega is rumoured to come out in October and even if those rumours aren't true AMD's official roadmap put it in late 2016 or early 2017. It's not a year away
WHOHWOHAOHAOHOOOAA!!!!
A GPU THAT IS WORSE THAN MY 980 IVE HAD FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS BUT ITS ONLY $200?!?!?!?!?!?
>>340711993
by worse you mean better, because it can actually do DX12/Vulkan worth a shit
>>340711886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ5wYVu-tM8
you're the one who needs to stop the misinformation. it's a 2017 release. 8-12 months away. the whole october release has already been debunked.
>>340711574
Look at the source again. It says "2X 480" compared to a single 980.
>>340712117
>DX12/Vulkan
kek when will this meme stop
>>340711993
It's better than a 980
>>340712136
no it's 2x for a single 1080
>>340712131
it's mid june. 2017 is not 8 months away.
not watching your shitty video. post a credible source
>>340712254
never, low level APIs are the future and AMD cards are better prepared to handle it
>Finally saved up ~900 dollary doos of luxery money for my first desktop
>right at the time all these new graphics cards are cominng out
>mfw finally my days of being a console cuck are coming to an end
Gosh the timing feels so perfect. Gonna feel so good to get my i5 6500 and 480 :D
>>340712887
no, they really aren't. stop deluding yourself. they don't even have support for a higher dx12 feature set compared to nvidia. see >>340706380
and pic related.
>>340712465
AMD already stated Vega won't arrive until 2017
>>340713315
welcome to the club brother!
>>340713326
You seem quite upset that AMD cards perform significantly better than Nvidia in DX12/Vulkan, perhaps if Nvidia had actual A sync compute they would be up to snuff
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52384/async-compute-receives-huge-endorsement-multiple-game-developers/index.html
I'm sure you'll have some rebuttal from an anonymous source instead of actual devs who work on this stuff
>mfw playing on a shitty 2009 laptop and only playing games like morrowind, oblivion, baldur's gate
Maybe one day i'll go hardcore and get an actual gaming pc. I'm fine with my meme games for now though.
>>340713625
>he's still going on about async after 3 (three) sources were given confirming async isn't the main source of performance gain for amd
here i'll post a compiled article featuring actual quotes from devs
http://wccftech.com/async-compute-boosted-hitmans-performance-510-amd-cards-devs-super-hard-tune/
>>340714118
http://wccftech.com/async-compute-praised-by-several-devs-was-key-to-hitting-performance-target-in-doom-on-consoles/
:^)
>mfw GTX1070 costs 667$ in my country
>>340714337
>console async =/= pc async
>1 config vs thousands of configs
>1 arch vs multiple different arch's
>dx12 =/= console api
welp, you just confirmed you know nothing about any of this. thanks for the easy win.
since you like DOOM so much, have this :^)
The mouse corruption bug is annoying as fuck it might actually get me to switch to nMemia
>>340714442
SG?
>>340685610
this
Anime Micro Devices!
![1421195751453[1].png](https://4chanarchives.com/image/image-404.png "1421195751453[1]")
>>340685610
yeah bro its just the way its meant to be played :^)
>>340716901
Is this seriously real?
>>340696563
Value added tax. It's what enables free heathcare and housing for Jamal and his fellow rapefugees.
>>340717432
Yes, Amada Kokoro, JPN only
>>340688698
>50% slower than 1070
>50% faster than 480
You fucked up m8
>>340685610
Brand loyalty is so fucking stupid.
>>340697293
>Zotac
>>340693050
Well that's the theoretical
Interestingly in the patent they specifically mention "For instance, rather than having four 16 thread wide vector units, four dispatchers could feed three 16 thread wide vector units, four four thread wide vector units, and four high-performance scalar units."
which I think is more plausible than having the layout pictured there.
>>340717432
>Amada Kokoro
>AMaDa
>Kokoro means "heart"
She is literally the heart of your computer if you have an AMD processor
Really tempted to buy the reference 1070 for VR and I haven't even ordered my vive yet. The wait is agonizing.
>>340721619
Zotac is good.
Not great, but good.
>>340714442
kill me
Why are /v/ and /g/ polar opposites when it comes to video cards? /v/ shills Nvidia while /g/ shills AMD.
>>340723781
/g/ understands the ramifications of a monopoly more than /v/?
>>340723898
welcome to /g/
>>340723781
Because people on /g/ spend 100% of their time shilling for amd with benchmarks and all sorts without even playing games themselves. This being the video game board, even though you do get a lot of shitposter shills, people do have first hand experience of each company in terms of performance and they've made their own logical choice of which companys product they want whether it be amd or nvidia. This just goes to show that actual 'gamers' prefer nvidia and low life basement dwelling neckbeards (aka /g/) like amd.
>>340723635
Zotac are fine. I had a 970 of theirs before my 1080. For its price it was bang on.
>>340725087
I just wish amd tried in the cpu department.
Was there any news on zen in computex this year?
>>340723898
Thing is its difficult for there not be a monopoly with really only two companies. Theres always one in 2nd place. Shame it happens to be a 3 legged fucking donkey.
>>340725225
My $90 Zotac 750Ti is 2 years old already and still working with no problems under 55°C.
>>340725771
I actually liked the look of the zotac 1080s they were showing (the led ones, im not normally in for that kind of jazzy crap but I did take to it)
>480x is a 1070 competitor
>Not even a 1080 competitor
>480x
>480
>x
AMD's highest end card is competing with Nvidia's consumer grade $399 GPU.
AMD's highest end CPU is competing with Intel's consumer grade $200 CPU.
AMD what the fuck happened
>>340685203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIGCp1_JrGY
>>340726145
Its not even competing with the 1070 its a rehashed 390/390x using less power
>>340726145
It's less powerful than a 970 dipshit
>>340713315
i have over 600 usd on my amazon.com account and i'm still not sure if i could be able to ship any gpu to europe...
>>340689123
>>340697670
Neo Geo raped the Nvidia shield
Who /470 or 1060/ here
>>340689752
>The Witcher 3 or the Metro series
Best choice in games ever
>>340707653
>Tegra
Into the trash it goes, I have not had good experiences with Tegra devices.
>>340697767
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>>340689719
Im still using HD 4550. Ive waited enough
Nvidia said they want to push 1060 release sooner, probably due to this RX480 release, but no info so far.
I might actually buy AMD card for the first time in years (previous one, whcih name I forgot, was bought after my GeForce 2 card died), because Im not going to pay more than 250$ for GPU, seriously. 60s always had best price-to-performance ratio.
I cant wait for June, when I will get new PC with RX480, 16gb of RAM andi7-6700K. Cant decide on motherboard yet and somehow, couldnt find thread on /g/ about building your PC.
>>340726250
>I'm only pretending to be retarded
>>340697257
It should do on medium/high
So, I made a bit of a mistake.
I got all excited about upgrading my PC and blew all my budget on an SSD, Ram and a 1070.
Then I realized that I have in my possession:
A 9 year old 1080p TV.
A 766p TV.
A 900p monitor.
I could have just bought a 970/390 instead.
>>340685072
Can someone explain why people are excited about a last gen GPU?
>>340731103
Can you explain why you're shitposting?
>>340697257
I have a single 390 and with shadows on high, foliage distance on high, and everything else on ultra + gameworks off I never drop below 60fps except in Novigrad/Oxenfurt. Never noticed any dips whatsoever in Touissant, whole DLC was smooth as butter. I play with STLM and a depth of field mod as well.
If the 480 can match or exceed the 390 which it almost certainly will even if it requires a slight overclock, it should be fine. If you also pick up a Freesync monitor at some point with a minimum refresh rate of at least 30-40hz everything should be smooth as fuck for years to come at 1080p.
>>340731721
>except in Novigrad/Oxenfurt
And honestly, that's most likely because of your CPU.
The poles built a ton of NPC shit on the CPU instead of the GPU, so the actor count just shits the framerate.
>>340718669
No, that's National Insurance pleb. Clue is in the title.
