How did a low/mid-budget PSP game developed by a B-team with a script by some random novelist ended up being a better sequel to MGS3 than the official Kojima-directed sequels that were supposed to be Peace Walker and The Phantom Pain?
>>340653453
some random novelist knew when to stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXkgn3QUA2w
>>340653453
Nice to see another person who appreciates POOPS
I fucking loved the WiFi stealing recruitment minigame.
Para-Medic was cute in combat gear.
Best story in any MGS game
HD FOX engine remake ... will never happen but should
the only thing I remember doing in that game is luring soldiers into rooms with mines by knocking on the wall. They would search every room but I would be hidden in the pipeline that connects all the rooms of the building and I will fire at the feet so the tension is always there.
It was fun.
It was recentley added to the ps vita store,im on my second playtrough the controls aren't so bad with dual sticks.
>>340653453
didn't Kojima remove it from canon?
>>340655887
Sort-of. He never really contradicted, but there's a line in PW where they dismissed the events of MPO and they never bring anything up from that game again. Pic related.
It's been omitted in every Metal Gear timeline published since then.
>>340656079
Stop fucking take a tongue in cheek line seriously.
Kojimas himself already said that MPO overaching story is canon, but the details aren't, that way he can freely modify them if he wants to.
If you're not playing with a squad of cute female officers you're playing the game wrong.
is there a way to play it online?
>some random novelist
Already a step above unrestrained Kojimbo writing
>>340653453
But it isn't. Portable Ops manages to be even more redundant than those two. The only thing it has going for it is actual boss fights and more varied playable characters. Nearly everything else is a mess.
Gene was a pretty shit antagonist.
>>340656231
>Stop fucking take a tongue in cheek line seriously.
It might be tongue-in-cheek, but it's also a betrayal of Kojima's true feelings on how he regards MPO. Fact is, Kojima never cared that much for the Metal Gear games that weren't his own. Otherwise, he would've done Metal Gear 3: The Sequel to Snake's Revenge back in 1990 instead of Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake.
>Kojimas himself already said that MPO overaching story is canon, but the details aren't, that way he can freely modify them if he wants to.
Which is why Snake talks about RAXA and the ICBMG to Huey in Peace Walker and why Python and Null showed up in MGSV.Oh wait...
>>340656079
Let's leave all those soldiers, recourses and part of the legacy behind.
>>340656915
I don't care what your headcanon might be, if the literal creator of the series put the word of god forward that MPO is canon, it is canon.
>>340654787
How do you get her into your squad?
>>340656891
>Portable Ops manages to be even more redundant than those two.
It provided the origin story of FOXHOUND, an organization that was already established in the Metal Gear lore, instead of simply throwing in a new mercenary unit (MSF and DD) out of the blue.
>Gene was a pretty shit antagonist.
Better than Antonym Man and Mr. Skullhead
>>340657248
It's not head canon. Kojima has outright said he considers only the Metal Gear games he wrote to be part of the "Metal Gear Saga." He even says Metal Gear Rising is a "parallel continuation" to MGS4 and not what he would consider his true sequel to that game.
http://thesnakesoup.org/myth-articles/myth-hideo-kojima-said-portable-ops-rising-canonical/
>inb4 Snake Soup
>>340657338
>It provided the origin story of FOXHOUND
So did MGS3. Or, at least, MGS3 gave us more than enough. We didn't need a game over it.
>Better than Antonym Man and Mr. Skull head
Only on account of being a blatant retread of two superior protagonists: Liquid and Big Boss himself.
PO repurposes MGS1's set-up to tell a story about Proto-Big Boss's Proto-Outer Heaven. The entire thing was pretty uninspired and lazy.
>>340657880
*antagonists.
Woops.
>>340657338
It also showed how Big Boss got the funds to start the whole PMC as well.
>>340657269
>First place spies at the hospital.
>Before the rail bridge mission go to the communication base and contact Paramedic. The communication area is the x on the map. >You will then get a report about Paramedic being spotted at the hospital. Head for the blue bars on the map in the north section of the hospital on the first floor to rescue Paramedic. >She will now be on your team.
>>340653453
I stopped playing Portable Ops because I couldn't be bothered going back to the truck.
I played PW to the final stretch when the game stopped me from progressing because I didn't grind weapons that could kill the boss in time yet.
I consider both games to be addendums to overall demise of the series's narrative model.
>>340655887
>Kojima removing anything from canon
That's rich considering he didn't write MGS 1, 2 or 3. Nor did he design most of the bosses in the first 4 games, if any.
>>340657738
And why should I trust a random guy translation over the official one again?
Also ,ti's obvious that konami/kojima studios ignore portable ops and rising in ti's art and timelines. Konami owns the material/copyright of rising and PO, we don't know if they gave permission to use it.
>b-but thats stupid, how kojima wouldn't have the right to expose his own series
Welcome to the legal side of intelectual properties.
>>340657880
>So did MGS3. Or, at least, MGS3 gave us more than enough. We didn't need a game over it.
By that argument, you could say MGS3 itself was pointless and Big Boss was much better when he was mysterious.
>>340656915
What happened to tomokazu fukushima?
>>340658732
>you could say MGS3 itself was pointless and Big Boss was much better when he was mysterious.
I could, and would. Big Boss wasn't especially "mysterious" prior to MGS3 anyway--he talks at length to Snake about his goals and motivations. MGS3's story also doesn't emphasize filling in gaps the way Portable Ops does.
But that isn't my point. My point is that MGS3's ending served as a nice setup of FOXHOUND's creation that felt a lot smoother than Portable Ops' elaboration.
>>340658530
you can drag bodies over to your other deployed troops that are in cardboard boxes though.
>>340658708
>Also ,ti's obvious that konami/kojima studios ignore portable ops and rising in ti's art and timelines. Konami owns the material/copyright of rising and PO, we don't know if they gave permission to use it.
Except every Metal Gear game from 2006 until 2015 were produced by Kojima Productions (prior to that, it was KCEJ since 1996). However, Kojima clearly makes a distinction between the Metal Gear he was directly involved with and those he merely give approval of.
There's a reason why PW and V both reference MGS3 a lot and each other, but MPO is conveniently swept aside.
>>340658708
>And why should I trust a random guy translation over the official one again?
Because translation slipups can happen as much in official sources as it does unofficially. Especially when it's done on the spot.
>>340653453
>How did a low/mid-budget PSP game developed by a B-team with a script by some random novelist ended up being a better sequel to MGS3 than the official Kojima-directed sequels that were supposed to be Peace Walker
They didn't.
PO is literal fanfic-tier garbage, with terrible gameplay and visuals, and it almost completely butchered the series' lore.
>>340658858
He left KCEJ after they became Kojima Productions and joined a Sony studios. He was credited in Freedom Wars (a Vita game) and Rain.
>>340656494
Shame you can only use the Ocelot girls in the expansion.
>>340653453
I've never played POOPS.
What was it? A sequel to MGS3? Literally who is everyone in the picture? (Besides Big Boss)
>>340661038
>What was it? A sequel to MGS3?
Yes. A pretty bad one.
>Literally who is everyone in the picture?
They're all kind of garbage characters and more or less irrelevant. I wouldn't worry about Portable Ops.
>>340661038
It's set in 1970, six years after MGS3, but four years before Peace Walker.
The shaggy-haired blond guy with the sleeveless vest and bandanna is a young Roy Campbell and the ninja looking dude isa young Frank Jaeger.Everyone else is a new character.
>fully remappable controls
>no fulton
>real bosses
>portable MGO
Poops was pretty fucking good, certainly better than PW.
Shame it didn't make the HD collection so more people could play it.
>>340653453
It was a more traditional MGS with character bosses and events vs vehicle bosses like PW and V. It still kinda sucked but it made me want to play a game as Ocelot when he's helping to establish the Patriots. Like MGS meets The Spy game film
>>340662648
>Shame it didn't make the HD collection so more people could play it.
This. It should've gotten the Legacy Collection treatment alongside Twin Snakes. Both are underrated among MGSfags.
>>340663143
Twin snakes is shit.
Destroys the original intention and feelings with backflips and gray color pallete.
>>340662648
>fully remappable controls
Portable Ops managed to control like shit no matter how you mapped it, though. I got comfortable with Peace Walker fairly quickly, but Portable Ops was forever an irritation due to the camera and level design.
>no Fulton
Fair enough.
>real bosses
Portable Ops' boss fights are pretty laughable, though. They're conceptually more interesting than the vehicles or Skulls, but in practice I'm not sure they are. They do manage to be less tedious, but they're definitely not good.
>portable MGO
This was the only real strength of the game. Everything about it made it obvious it was a repurposed multiplayer game.
>>340663310
Also snake attempts to murder baker for not knowing his booty call's codec.
>>340663143
I don't see what makes TTS "underrated." The arguments are merely that it's pointless and inferior to the original.
Ghost Babel deserves more attention than Twin Snakes or PoOps.
>>340663894
this anon speaks the truth
>>340663894
Ghost Babel is severely underrated.
>>340664067
It's possibly my favorite MG game period.
>>340664067
>>340664823
>>340663894
Any chance Ghost Babel might show up on the 3DS's Virtual Console.
Also dumping a Metal Gear GB preview from Famitsu.
1/4
>>340665135
2/4
>>340665352
Interview with the developers.
3/4
>>340665352
>>340665135
Isn't that the one where snake was called Jack?
Deepest lore.
>>340665458
4/4
Rare photo of the Nuclear Man himself.
>>340665135
>>340665498
It's a piece of dialogue you get if you play the VR missions. It's not canon to MGS2 though, as the dialogue also makes it sound as if Ghost Babel's events are a thing that actually happened IIRC.
>>340665498
That was only in a bonus set of VR Missions you unlock after completing the story campaign.
>>340665352
Black Chamber were a pretty cool bunch. Marionette Owl is one of the creepiest characters in the series.
>>340658530
The box method is slightly more bearable, but I agree I almost dropped due the recruitment process. Using the Fulton is so much better, easiest way to cheese it is go to the airport and trigger an alert then hide under the truck and tranq all the dudes ezpz.
Portable ops proves that Kojima is a hack. Metal Gear is best handled without Kojima.
Bumpan'
>>340666557
DELETE THIS
>>340669556
Shut up, Pocahontas.
>>340655887
>>340656079
Well, if you take that mission from Ground Zeroes as a hint, PO wasn't in the "canon list"
>>340669875
post more gook magazine pictures
>>340653453
I haven't played it since it released and it just got Vita compatibility. Is it worth a second playthrough?
>>340670582
>gook
that's racist.okay.
>>340670652
yeah i'm having a blast, playing with 2 sticks feels more like mgs3's controls.
>>340665135
>>340665352
>>340665458
>>340665559
I know it isn't canon but I'm a bit confused with GB and Acid
There is Solid Snake but is he still a clone of Big Boss? Is Liquid still his "brother"? Or he is just some random special force unit guy?
>>340653453
Portable Ops is proof that Metal Gear is going to be fine without Kojima.
Konami B-Team knows what players like about Metal Gear, without trying to over insert all of the artsy or message shit about it. At the end of the day, Konami is capable of making a cool, character based story about badasses, mercenaries, and corrupt shady organizations.
Kojima is just capable of making silly jokes and forced philosophical musings. Kojima is a fucking master with cameras/directing/cutscenes though, so you can be sure cutscenes wont be as well paced or as cool looking as they used to be.
>>340670984
Posting some more.
>>340671138
>There is Solid Snake but is he still a clone of Big Boss? Is Liquid still his "brother"? Or he is just some random special force unit guy?
It's left ambiguous, but apparently Solid Snake in Metal Gear GB is Big Boss's natural son. The Snake in Metal Gear Acid 2 is a clone of the Solid Snake from Acid 1.
>>340662648
>no Fulton
I like PO as much as the next guy, but no one in their right minds prefers dragging dudes to cardboard boxes/the truck to fultoning people out.
>>340658530
I agree with the truck thing being tedious, but it makes much more sense than "lolfulton" in a game about stealth (and being quiet)
The series is lauded for its TECHNOLOGY moments, but apparently guards not being able to notice their colleagues flying away strapped to a balloon is okay
>>340671379
Continuing
>>340671241
KojiPro's B-team who worked MPO ended up being merged into the A-team to finish MGS4, so I doubt they're still employed by Konami.
>>340671241
I would like to be this optimistic if it was the old Konami but the current one is shit and don't seem to care.
>>340671603
Moar.
>>340671437
You could always drag enemies to your near buddy hiding in a cardboard box and speed up the process with a Codec call.
>>340671603
Nah, Kojima said his own studio is only going to employ 100 people max and that he hasnt reached that yet and that they are still hiring. He also said near the end of MGS4 they had over 400 people on his team, and MGSV was almost double the size as that.
There are lots of left over people who worked on Portable Ops, Peace Walker, MGS4, and V still employed at Konami.
Konami will likely have them lead gameplay, buy a hit novelist to write the story, and then pay sega to let them use some of the cutscene directors from the Yakuza series to help with cutscene/cinematographic direction for the new Metal Gear.
The real question is when will it take place? The only two valid places in the timeline are between V and Metal Gear 1, or after MGS4. If they want to bring back Hayter, they will probably have Snake revived from the dead with cyborg tech to deal with some sort of sci-fi cyberpunk dystopia shit, maybe working alongside raiden again.
If they want to keep Sutherland, they will probably continue the Venom saga, but this time without Kojima's bullshit and Portable Ops level of personality and wacky anime bullshit.
>>340671769
The cover
>>340672196
Whoever ends up replacing Kojima will have some big shoes to fill, given the cult of personality he has achieved throughout the years. And that's even assuming that anyone at Konami Digital Entertainment have the creative drive to do something more ambitious than yearly Winning Eleven and Power Pro sequels.
>>340672196
They are going to reboot it
>>340673018
I hope they make it a sequel to Snake's Revenge.
More Japanese magazine scans.
>>340673958
2/4
>>340674064
3/4
>>340674185
4/4
>>340674306
is that Kojima?Or Hideo?
Something a bit more old-school.
>>340674954
2/4
>>340674869
It's a young Joakim Mogren.
>>340675125
3/4
>>340671769
>You could always drag enemies to your near buddy hiding in a cardboard box and speed up the process with a Codec call.
Except that's what I meant. It speeds up the process but it's still tedious to park your extra soldiers down and drag a person to them.
>>340675287
4/4
Why didn't people like peace walker again? I liked it more than 3 4 and 5
>people still complaining about dragging when you have to do it less than 5 times in the entire game
what the fuck were you even dragging all those dudes for anyway
>>340653453
I think it's cool you can recruit all those different Metal Gear cameo characters to your army. Should be able to do that in Phantom Pain. Just as a bonus, not as part of the story.
I really didn't enjoy portable ops or peacewalker.
>>340675915
PW remains the only MGS game I haven't bothered to finish.
I don't see how anyone could enjoy playing it, especially gathering parts for ZEKE.
>>340653453
Story was pretty damn good in that game. Only objection was that esp in MG's didn't sit right with me, even though MG's has always had funky supernatural stuff, it still didn't feel right.
Gameplay was okay. I liked the new struggle you did when you tried to grab an eny from the front. Pretty neat way to nerf just running at an enemy and grabbing them. And there was some space for personal flair, so you could grapple with them, then shoot them or knock them over or whatever after the struggle. Shame this sort of thing didn't get expanded on in future games
What the fuck made them use the subsistence camera for a game on a console with only one stick?
Why didn't they use mgs1/2 style camera? It would have worked great
>>340675716
i liked it more than 5 it was fun to s rank all the missions i even got the platinum.
>>340674869
Another photo of young Joakim,
>>340676362
Because they wanted to do a portable version of MGO which was first introduced as a minigame in MGS3 Subsistence.
>>340676362
Because that kind of camera takes actual effort.
Speaking of portable games, does anyone here like Gladiator Begins? I just started playing today, it seems pretty fun. I was trying to play pugilist at first, but it seems like it's really demanding of your stats. I switched to using a sword and a buckler and the game got way more reasonable since I already had a ton of stamina and strength from trying to make the fists work.
>>340653453
It didn't. How in the hell anyone can gild the memory of fucking Portable Ops of all things is beyond me.
Go back and replay it. It's hot garbage.
>>340671241
This
>>340677671
Zelda cycle.
>>340671241
>Kojima is a fucking master with cameras/directing/cutscenes though
If you like whatever's popular at blockbusters at the time, then sure, his tendency to refrain to self aware corniness whenever his techniques get old is pretty annoying. I would say Kojima is really fantastic at raising hype with misdirections, though.
>>340653453
>actual MGS gameplay
>story grounded within the usual 5 feet of realitywith Null outside that 5 feet
>recruits provide interesting mechanics in the field
>most intel gathering and finding where you go next is handled in the field since no support team
Compared to
>watered down simplified gameplay
>cheap Monster Hunter clone right down to actual Monster Hunter missions
>story is ridiculous with flying mechs and sentient AI in 1974
>recruits have almost nothing except for stats and the occasional % boost to actions
>simple and linear mission with no real interactivity with the environment to learn and progress
>still 20FPS despite being watered down
Why people love Peace Walker so much and dis Portable Ops is beyond me
>>340672196
See, your mistake is assuming Konami will actually go back to the video games business, when pachinko is working out so well for them.
At this point, I'd be surprised if they took the effort to hire Bluepoint to remaster the whole MGS saga and put it on current-gen consoles/PC.
>>340653453
This is it. You faggots and your contrarian bullshit has gone too far. No other community has worse taste than this place. Portable Ops is a TERRIBLE game, and the fact that you hipster retards are starting to champion it is all the proof needed that this place is overrun by tasteless children.
>>340680420
nah the game's fun the only thing that i din't like are the controllers but ppsspp fixes that.
