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Can someone explain to me how Hope's Peak Academy works? or at the very least stays in business?
If they only accepted Ultimate students, do they have Ultimates in every category possible? Is there an Ultimate Loser,An Ultimate Trap, or even the Ultimate Faggot?
What about those who are Ultimates in multiple things? If Nekomaru refers to himself as the Ultimate Masseur, does that mean the actual Ultimate Masseur gets turned away from the school?
Do they accept multiple Ultimates of the same talent? If there are multiple's then they clearly aren't the ultimate by definition.
And what happens when they graduate, and what happens to the adults? Do they lose their status as an Ultimate? Are they completely unaffected to the whole Hope vs Despair plot?
With questions like these, no wonder why they started a reserve department for extra cash.
>>340650052
>Ultimate Faggot
No, they are not going to accept you.
>>340650287
Chihiro would like to have a word with you
>>340650052
They stay in business like all private schools, alumni donations to the school, they state in the beginning that anyone who graduates is set for life and will be super successful, so alumni probably donate millions and millions of dollars.
>>340650052
The novel tells you that the whole ultimate thing is just a front used by scientists for research. Hope's Peak also has a normal section where anyone can get in provided they pay enough money like in any other private school.
>>340650052
The bigger mystery is how the fuck Gundam's hamsters got in the NWP. Seriously, did Naegi build mini pods for them?
>>340650052
Don't the characters say multiple times that it's government funded?
>>340651024
well, if theyre donating that much to them, why would they even need to start the reserves then?
>>340650671
Somehow Ishimaru ended up being a bigger faggot than the trap.
>>340651556
Why arent you making money from money?
>>340651582
To be fair, neither Mondo or Chihiro should've died over that but it happened anyways.
Ultimate Bully when?
>>340651279
They're probably just virtual. The real hamsters might have died long before he got put in the tin.
>>340651639
because i havent thought up a clever scam like Hope's Peak
>>340651906
Exactly, look at Togami or Sonia or Kuzuryu, all walking money bags for your own needs.
>>340651771
That's Hiyoko
>>340651582
There's a difference between homosexual and "faggot", anon.
>>340652037
Togami isn't THAT stupid. I mean, he outdid his (supposedly competent) siblings and amassed a fortune through day trading.
>>340651746
Was pretty sad desu. He just wanted to be with his husbando.
>>340652165
I always get them mixed up.
>>340652429
Well he is still stupid enough.
>>340652669
How is Byakuya Togami, heir of the Togami household and the Togami subsidiaries, stupid?
>>340653072
Touko, you of all people should know this.
>>340651771
Jimmy Hopkins doesn't live in Japan
>>340651582
>falling for fujobait
It's called friendship, idiot.
When did the series jump the shark for you (if it did) /v/?
>>340653814It never did.
>>340653814
It hasn't yet for me, and probably never will, given that the batshit insanity is a plus in my eyes - it seems like that's what the series does best.
However, if I had to pick the moment that came closest, it was massive computer Junko spending extended time talking about her massive tits. I know why they did it, but I can't help but think that it seemed a bit out of place. The "tits of despair" talking point worked better in AE with Toko letting her breast envy hang out.
>>340653814
DR1 case 6
DR2 didn't jump it at all, though.
>>340653814
The ending of dgr2
>>340653814
Despair virus and AI Junko I guess.
I'm not too fond of the real world setting either. I think they should've just left it all vague and something to speculate about. Would've been more interesting than
>local despair girl ruins world and gets millions to kill themselves
>>340653685
Didn't his character score really high on a poll from gay japanese males? He's definitely not just fujobait.
>>340653814
AE was pretty bad, but I can't think of a point where is really jumped the shark. Except for maybe how overused Junko became.
I'm curious, on a scale of 1-10, how much would Junko appear in the new anime? I'm not counting Despair edition because it would make sense for her to appear in that.
>>340654815
7
There will be 7 Junkos.
>>340654591
I don't like how Junko is behind everything bad in everything.
I'm hoping the anime reveals an illuminati type pulling Junko's strings or something because I just don't buy it.
>>340654591
Faggots aren't any better though.
Ishimaru is PURE!
>>340654591
>He's definitely not just fujobait.
I feel like there is an archetype for characters like Ishimaru, but I don't know the term for it.
The hot-blooded guy that's so god damn much into MANLINESS that he looks really, really fucking gay but actually isn't in the slightest - at least not consciously.
>>340653814
I am always not particularly fond of how they are trying to justify killing games. It's like, yeah, they want to have killing game and it's main selling point and they don't slack off and want to explain how and why it works, and they also don't want to just ripoff Battle Royal, but hyping things up to the world scale like DR's world is post-apocalyptic or something is a bit eh. Future Foundation is a fucking organization that exists to stop bored high school girl.
>>340653814
I guess Mechamaru. That's when it really started going out of left field for me. Everything was perfectly in the realm of believability for me, but then mechamaru happened, and then the whole "its just game" thing started. That being said, it wasnt a bad thing for me, I still enjoyed it
>>340655193
Bara?
>>340655193
Kinda like this guy? I feel like Mondo fits the stereotype much better.
>>340650052
They're government funded
They also get money from the reserve course
Pretty much every category yeah
No there can be multiple students with the same talent (Makoto, Nagito)
The goal of the school is to study talent and the talented, so anyone with outstanding talent is admitted
>>340655801
Makoto and Nagito are exceptions. Hope's Peak drafts SHSL Luck every year for some reason.
>>340650052
Have you actually played the second game. It answers a lot of your questions. Additionally, I sometimes see mentioned 'super highschool level' instead of ultimate, which is probably better.
>>340655801
I thought Naegi was supposed to be Unlucky. so unlucky that it masks itself as lucky.
>>340655376
I'd associate a large amount of muscles with bara first and foremost. Ishimaru's toned, but not that muscly.
>>340655647
Sadly, I've never played Persona 4, so I'm not too into what makes Kanji tick, but Mondo doesn't fit the stereotype that I'm thinking of that well. He's too aggressive towards people, too hostile, and only uses his overly strong behavior to paper over insecurities. Ishimaru fits the idea of being into hot-bloodedness and manliness so hard that it looks like he's really gay, but he actually isn't, a lot better.
Things like insisting to get naked with Naegi because that's the only true way to really connect with a guy and that kind of stuff is what nails that kind of stereotype to me, and I feel like I've seen that character pop up several times.
>>340652069
No, that's bully-kun
>>340656112
His deal is that all of his luck comes from some kind of really bad luck, and the bigger the fuckup - the bigger the payout in the end.
>>340656112
If he was really unlucky bacon hands wouldn't liked him at the end.
>>340656246
What? That's Nagito's deal, isn't it?
>>340656306
Yeah, got the names mixed up.
>>340653814
When Makoto read on 2ch that he'd be going to school with the greatest biker gang leader
>>340656112
Naegi was picked as the Ultimate Lucky Student, which I'm pretty sure is an exception to the normal Hope's Peak rules, as they draft one for every year.
It's just that he (and some others that also point out the irony), despite having "luck" as his talent, finds himself locked up in a killing game that he figures he probably has no chance of surviving due to his averageness compared to the other Ultimates that actually earned their titles.
>>340656135
Kanji's alter-ego is literally a flamboyant faggot.
It's explained later that it's just the manifestation of his insecurities and being afraid to look not manly enough.
>>340656637
Yeah, that's more Mondo, and not what I'm looking for. The characters like Ishimaru are completely secure in their masculinity, and it's exactly because of that that they revel in it, obsess over it, seek out similar people and compete with them over masculinity, and they look really really gay in the process.
>>340655193
>>340655135
Ishimaru's been called a closet fag since day one in japan. His character is such dripped in homoerotic undertones that you have a lot of gay guys think he is.
I don't blame their lust for him, he's pretty good looking and a pretty decent guy to boot.
>>340655647
Nah. They are the punk/biker archetype.
Gay guys just prefer sporty looking guys in general. The hot blooded or manly undertones is also a plus.
>>340655376
Bara is just porn that attracts a gay male audience. It doesn't have much to do with body type or character archetypes, even if they do have their preferences that come up a lot more often. It's just a lot of art/smut that highlights the male figure and male/male relationships.
>>340656062
yea, and i just finished it two days ago.
They never fully explained how the Ultimate picking process worked, nor did they really explain why i havent seen anyone who was a full fledged grown up, that sided with hope or despair.
I dont think they actually introduced two ultimates who's skill worked absolutely the same way. Like if theres two Ultimate Mechanics. I dont know if i can count Nagito and Naegi because,Thats getting into whats considered unlucky and lucky. Like if somebody got caught in 3 plane crashes and survived, is that considered unlucky or lucky?
Iunno maybe im thinking about this too much.
>>340650052
Let me clarify that enjoying the feeling of having a dick up your ass isn't gay at all. It just shows how secure in your heterosexuality you are that you take a massive cock like a man.
>>340657098
About the grown up Ultimates, wait for the anime.
>>340653814
It never jumped the shark. I'm expecting NDRV3 to be even wackier than SDR2.
>>340657098
There's apparently a SHSL Scout in the school, so he's gotta be the one that finds all the others.
>>340657352
Especially with Mecha-Naegi
>>340657098
>I dont think they actually introduced two ultimates who's skill worked absolutely the same way. Like if theres two Ultimate Mechanics. I dont know if i can count Nagito and Naegi because,Thats getting into whats considered unlucky and lucky. Like if somebody got caught in 3 plane crashes and survived, is that considered unlucky or lucky?
The thing is that Ultimate *INSERT TALENT HERE* and Ultimate Lucky Student are two different kinds of Ultimates. The ones with talents were scouted for their talents, and therefore they are assumed to be unique, since if there was another one that was better, Hope's Peak would have picked them. The Ultimate Lucky Students, however, are normal shitheads that got picked to be at Hope's Peak through a lottery, and as far as I understand it, they pick one every school year. Both Naegi and Nagito were Ultimate Lucky Students.
>>340657098
HPA has a council of people that select students. I think this is mentioned in DR1 (when there's a little info on how Mukuro was selected) and DR0 (about how Nagito and Makoto were selected).
You don't see adults in the fight until Ultra Despair Girls. That's because the two games have been about kids killing each other.
Not sure what you mean; there doesn't necessarily have to be the same consistent talent every year. Nagito and Makoto are the only ones with overlapping talents IIRC.
>>340657098
Ultimates are supposed to be the 'best' so you can't have two of them but it's all bullshit anyways.
finally finished DR2
is another episode also coming to steam?
is it worth waiting for it?
>>340657637
Nothing has been confirmed yet.
>>340657765
oh well
so was i the only one who thought case 5 from DR 2 was predictable?
>>340657485
Now see, thats what im getting at.
How can you have a school with a decent amount of attendees, if there can only be one of each talent that attends? especially if these students are going to be attending for atleast 3-4 years or however long japanese high schools last.
Unless they scout for any talent of any kind, then all i can imagine is 2 classes full of ultimates, and then more than half of the school being regular nobodies that paid their way in.
Also what defines a talent in their eyes? the fact that Teruteru's siblings are Ultimate Escorts just makes me wonder how far does it go
>>340658052
Even the traitor?
>>340658169
well i figured that out with the diary
>>340658167
I'd imagine more than half the school are reserve course students. It's heavily implied that HPA gets the majority of its funding by gouging reserve course prices. Plus IIRC the reserve course was pretty big when they revealed how many Junko talked into jumping off a building. What was it, like 4,000 students?
>>340651582
Kill yourself via poison coffee.
>>340658167
Well, they had an Ultimate Doujin Artist, so pretty fucking far.
>>340658306
Well, the remaining survivors does make it predictable especially on a second try.
>>340658169
>>340658306
little follow up,
i didn't suspect she really was actually good
>>340658167
>Unless they scout for any talent of any kind, then all i can imagine is 2 classes full of ultimates, and then more than half of the school being regular nobodies that paid their way in.
Well, that's what the reserve program is.
>Also what defines a talent in their eyes? the fact that Teruteru's siblings are Ultimate Escorts just makes me wonder how far does it go
They're incredibly liberal. Simply consider that Hiyoko is the Ultimate Traditional Dancer. Now realize that that means they could also have the Ultimate Ballroom Dancer, the Ultimate Tapdancer, the Ultimate Flamenco Dancer, the Ultimate Disco Dancer... the list goes on.
Basically, it's not exactly the most scientific affair.
>>340658167
There's like 1 class for each year with 16 students
48 to 64 students for the 3 or 4 years
>>340658371
>jumping off a building
That's cute.
>>340658567
That's the student council for the first killing game, no? Not the reserve course?
>>340658371
In actuality it was less than 3000
>>340658470
Ultimate disco dancer sounds fun
>>340658567
I still cant belive all Junko had to do was convince the reserve students that they're getting robbed to commit mass murder.
>>340654487
>and basically, you're pretty fucked
> click here for more despair
>>340658628
Yes it was Izuru and his "buddies"
>>340658680
It was to send a message to the world, a kind of protest
>>340658470
So what, they can add an Ultimate Untalented kid? what if there happens to be an Ultimate among the reserve students? Surely some Ultimates have slipped by unnoticed.
>>340658823
But its so lame, you'd figure despair that awful would have an illogical reason, not muh 99%
>>340658680
The idea that a large amount of people is being robbed by a relatively small amount of elites is a good enough reason to get really fucking pissed and even revolt.
Now, I'm not saying that Junko is Lenin and the happenings at Hope's Peak are an allegory for the Russian Revolution... actually, that's what I am saying, aren't I? Huh.
>>340658903
>So what, they can add an Ultimate Untalented kid?
That's basically what the Ultimate Lucky Students are.
>Surely some Ultimates have slipped by unnoticed.
I'm pretty sure that the people at Hope's Peak are presumptuous enough to believe that no, they are actually that perfect and nobody slipped through.
>>340657472
But it's not Naegi, it just coincidentally looks like Naegi!I'm totally expecting it to be a bait and switch like Nagito, with his name being an anagram of Naegi's and looks and stuff
>>340658903
Nobody really has a "negative" talent so far. There's no "Ultimate Bad Student" or "Ultimate Delinquent" or anything. They range from so useful one wonders why they had to go to high school (Baseball star, Idol, Gambler, Affluent Progeny) to only useful in the context of high school (Moral Committee, Light Music Club, whatever Gundham's actual talent was in the Japanese version)
>>340659017
So Junko's despair was actually communism?
>>340659061
Fucking 10/10 plot twist
>>340653814
mechamaru I had no problem whatsoever until that happened
>>340654487
Why does this Junko look so much better?
>>340657637
It's probably gonna come to steam sooner or later. Spike Chunsoft said they were really happy with how DR1 performed and seem to be porting a bunch of stuff to PC now.
The game is just ok though. Some neat gameplay ideas and the game oozes style but the story is kind of weak and doesn't touch 1 or 2. Worth a playthrough if you're a big fan though, chances are it will be referenced in the 3 anime too.
>>340659140
Ultimate Gang Leader doesn't feel too useful.
>>340658940
Junko basically hijacked the occupy wall street movement and made them all die for her own cause
>>340659217
>>340659017
Junko doesn't believe in anything except despair
It's communism, she's just good at exploiting people's weaknesses
>>340659334
He brings the muscle.
Seems useful to me.
>>340659334
That's another weird thing that kinda got lost in translation to the West. In Japan, Mondo's title doesn't really imply that his gang is committing crimes or anything.
You could bring up Fuyuhiko but I figured that was just his mob ties that got him in. His sister got in too, as the "Ultimate Little Sister" no less.
>>340659446
Great, now all I can imagine is WW1 Russia led by Junko.
>>340659217
>So Junko's despair was actually communism?
Consider that an end goal of Junko's plan was to make everybody equal - by turning them all into Junko.
I've heard worse theories, to be honest.
what's your ultimate talent, /v/?
>>340659505
There's Ultimate Yakuza Boss for that.
http://pastebin.com/jjzRYQNb
Peko getting banged by the Four Dark Devas
>>340659140
so, who's to say I'm not the ultimate gamer, if I happen to be better at games that Chiaki likes?
fuck, i have so many questions on how this school runs,and not enough answers
>>340659646
Self-pity
>>340659541
If you had to put Junko as a political leader she'd be Attila
>>340659623
No, that's just Junko striving for a narcisistic utopia
>>340659781
Ultimate what gamer? Chiaki might be generally good at ALL games. You could be good at one genre only.
>>340659646
Ultimate Negotiator, I guess. I'm pretty fucking good at haggling.
>>340659690
The Yakuza are a bit more subtle in their approaces, I think.
Basically, you call Mondo to fuck shit up visibly, and you call Fuyuhiko to take someone out.
I guess.
Fuck if I know.
>>340659781
Chiaki's not really the Ultimate Gamer because Chiaki's not real. We don't know if there was ever a real Ultimate Gamer.
But if there were, you'd have to be scouted by the people who select Ultimates. I'm sure a requirement would be the ability to get an income from playing games.
>>340659781
>fuck, i have so many questions on how this school runs,and not enough answers
To be quite honest, every question could be answered by saying "the people at Hope's Peak are actually not all that competent".
What if there's somebody who's better than an Ultimate? Well, they're too shit to have found you, and if they did, they'd never admit they were wrong, so they'd just cast you out and use their influence to ruin your life just in case.
>>340659715
>The hamster cock she was holding.
fucking lost
>>340659646
Ultimate Autist, so basically everyone not including MC and herione
>>340659901
junko is on this list 3 times, that is a cop out
>first game
>Survivors are decent except maybe one
>second game
>shit tier characters and one good guy
This waste of flesh is the top of the cake. Literally the most useless and unfunny character in the games. In fact she's so bad that others have to die for her.
>>340659646
Ultimate 5
>>340660032
And how do you exactly scout "Ultimate Luck"?
>>340659715
>She shouldn't break down the expectations of Gundam. He had given her these animals to take car
>fuck it
Pfft.
>>340659646
ultimate slut
>>340660140
>>340660185
They explain that that particular talent is one via lottery
>>340660185
That's actually pretty smart of them.
After all, if luck really is a talent, then they can simply just do a random lottery of everybody, and if there is somebody who has a talent of luck, they would clearly be the one the lottery chooses!
>>340659646
Ultimate Shitposter
>>340660163
Reroll
>>340660285
Oh right, I forgot that.
Still pretty weird that Nagito actually uses that talent while Makoto doesn't. I guess Nagito's case is that the world is not real, though.
>>340660460
If it's VR, how do you replicate 99 luck?
>>340659646
We could probably make a whole class from 4 chan
Each board gets their ultimate
Ultimate gamer, ultimate anime connoisseur, ultimate dungeon master, ultimate Pokémon trainer etc.
>>340660460
No, Nagito's case is that he's very aware that his talent exists. He thinks it's a shitty talent, but it has a direct impact on his life every day, always. For Makoto, it's less clear that he even really has "Ultimate Luck". He certainly doesn't really think he does, or he doesn't really factor it into his life when making decisions.
>>340660063
So, how the hell can they run this if they're actually incompetent and cant bring what the promise beyond any shadow of a doubt.? Why the hell the Government would fund this shit? what was even the end goal here? Is mankind supposed to suddenly become happier and enlightened, just because of a few fuckers that are *probably* decent at their talent?
This school is built on lies, They're all fucking lies.this game sucks
>>340660558
Even if it's VR, Nagito's bullshit luck simply goes into that as well.
They don't have to account for it, it just happens.
>>340660635
>tfw /fa/ becomes Junko
>>340660635
oh shit, that remind me
does anyone have that /dg/ copypasta? it cracks me up everytime
>>340654815
Naegi was Junko all along
DR1 had Hope vs Despair
DR2 had finding a medium between extreme Hope and extreme Despair
and DR3 will just throw all fucks out the window and have Hope = Despair
>>340660635
>mfw I'm the Ultimate Baneposter
>>340660460
You could argue that Makoto is unknowingly using his luck.
>dude is lucky enough he's in a class with an actual detective and a rich kid that knows what he's doing.
>lucky enough to point out the killer with 100% accuracy
It can go on from there
>>340660421
>>340660163
You are not doing this shit right5
>>340661005
Impressive
>>340660460
Makoto uses his "luck" by having protagonist powers. Being able to basically rewind time and always eventually do the right thing.
>>340661005
Teach me your ways
>>340661108
One more5
>>340660945
I could account the first part to luck, but the 2nd part is due to his own deduction and Kirigiri and Byakuya feeding him info.
>>340661150
That's...actually a fair point.
>>340661150
Speaking of rewinding, how the hell do you manage to daydream death of your friend and sexing another while under stress?
>>340660891
>and DR3 will just throw all fucks out the window and have Hope = Despair
you need to play Another Episode, son
>>340661269
You are still not doing this shit right
>>340661305Wait is that what actually happens?
>tfw everyone who died in DR1 is fucking dead
>everyone who died in DR2 can potentially come back
It's not fair.
>>340660674
>This school is built on lies, They're all fucking lies.
Now you're getting it!
The reason why incompetent Hope's Peak can work is because of appearances. To start out, the idea of making a real elite school with a massive scouting system probably sounded good to some politicians that didn't have a fucking clue beyond wanting to look good to the public. So you get grants, and you use the money to scout talent. You're not actually trying to get ultimates, but you find people that are good enough, and because you have government money, they sign on. They graduate, and they go out into the workforce with their diplomas from the shiny new elite school everybody thinks is great.
So of course they get hired immediately and easily rise up the ladders, and even if they turn out to be incapable, nobody wants to be the one to speak up because they'd just have their life ruined because they're just jealous, and they do have baseline above average competency to at least look great.
So you keep running this scam over and over again, and the myth of Hope's Peak becomes ingrained in culture and the population. People look up to it because these people are going to be running the country later, and for all they know, they're all really competent. The idea of actually knowing that competent people will be running is probably very pleasing to people.
But it's nothing special. It's all smoke and mirrors hiding people that are good enough. Above average. OK. Satisfactory. Everything else is just bullshit and marketing.
Hope's Peak is as real as Trump University. Despair is the only real thing you can believe in.
>>340661431
actually the DR2 kids only have an extremely small chance of waking up
and I think we all know what that means
>>340661260
You can't teach luck, anon
>>340661431
I don't think they can come back.
The survivors are just telling themselves that to not turn back into ultimate despairs and rape corpses.
>>340661354
Teach me, sensei.
>>340661574
Still not as impressive as last time when you get it 4 times in a row.
>>340653814
DR 1 and UDG are Great
DG2 was just fucking terrible
>>340661550
>only one survivor wakes up
>it's naegi
>"haha I guess I'm pretty lucky huh? too bad that a piece of trash like me wakes up..."
>he starts fucking everything up until they restrain him
>>340661591
Why didn't the authors just kill them off then? Seems wierd giving a hint like that and then just leaving it hanging.
>>340661269
Dammit anon.
>>340661862
Because you might want to bring them back later, so you deliberately leave things vague so it can go either way.
>>340653814
When the explained what the actual setting and what Monokuma was, honestly.
That being said I'm fine with it. This series is absolutely fucking ridiculous but it seems to be self-aware of it atleast.
>>340661807
*nagito
FUCK
>>340661862
I guess it's to give the characters something to actually hope about.
What would you do (as an ultimate despair) if you were trapped on an island with no chance of escaping, knowing that the Future Foundation WILL fuck you up?
Or to have a storyline open.
That works too.
>>340661862
Are you just going to ignore all the hope spiel at that part of the story?It's fine if that's what you're doing, the endings in both DR1 & DR2 were pretty weak
Nagito will be the mastermind on the new animu
he'll be on the edge of death, probably on a bed completely sick thanks to his lymphoma
in the end, everything will be according to his madman plan and he will die slowly smiling or some creepy shit
wanna bet?
>>340662084
I was hoping that it wouldve ended with Hajime creating a 3rd faction in the Hope vs Despair thing.
>>340662152
I hope not. I don't think Nagito would make for a good mastermind. He's best when he's thrown in together with everyone else.
>>340658470
>dat Kotoko
Would you have been gentle?
>>340662448
Kotoko would probably not be gentle with my face (and other body parts) if I tried, so I wouldn't push my luck.
>>340662152
>thanks to his lymphoma
That's canon? I thought that he was rusing Hajime for giggles.
>>340660162
Huh. So far the kinda dumb brown big titty girl has lived in 2 of these games. Be right back, getting a sex change and implants.
>>340662727
It was implied that he was telling the truth, and then decided to lie about lying to try to get Hajime mad enough to want to kill him.
>>340662727
According to the wiki, the lymphoma and dementia are confirmed in the side materials.
Also:
>Other indications of his sickly state include his complexion, hair color and breathy voice. In Island Mode, it's mentioned that he has poor stamina, very sensitive skin and he seems to dislike running.
>The Despair Disease had a much worse effect on Nagito than anyone else and almost killed him, presumably because he was already very ill.
>Izuru Kamukura mentions that Nagito has a scent of someone who is "already finished", referring to the fact that he should already be dead, but his luck is keeping him alive.
>>340662794
Hey, nothing wrong with that. You can never have too many brown titty monsters.
>>340662794
>Local man changes gender because videogames told him to
>>340660162
>Survivors are decent except maybe one
I didn't really like any of them except for Kyoko. There were characters in there that I liked up until a certain point of the game (Toko before being obsessed with Togami became her entire character, Togami before it became evident that he's basically just unfunny comic relief, Aoi too but I sorta just got bored of her character by the end I guess)
I preferred 2's group to them overall, though yeah in both games the best ones don't make it to the end.
>>340661431
DR1 had no one of imortance die. DR2 kiiked off motherfucking Gundam Tanaka. They knew what they were doing giving best boy a chance to come back.
>>340663403
Chill Sonia, also how is Taka and Sakura not important?
>>340663175
>YOU HURT HER SO WE ALL DESERVE TO DIE
god FUCK Aoi.
>>340663403
>DR1 had no one of imortance die.
>>340663403
What about Sakura?
>>340663403
Sakura and Ishimaru deserved to live!
>>340662727
if you read about lymphoma and dementia on any website, they are basically describing nagito
>>340663403
Wait what does "important" mean in this context?
Sakura was literally too good for this world.
Don't give a fuck about Taka though, he can stay dead.
>>340663826
But he was basically the reason Kuzuryu lived.
It's going to be interesting to see how mutilated the DR2 cast is
>>340658167
The school's not that big lol
I found this tier list on Reddit
>>340658680
It was showing them that they are getting robbed and getting experimented on
>>340664227
What's it tiering, though? Character quality? Likeability? Waifu potential? Bullyability?
>>340664257
My point remains
>>340664380
https://www.reddit.com/r/danganronpa/comments/3lz8rj/i_made_a_tier_list_of_how_much_i_like_every_major/
>>340664380
Can't be bullyability, Fuyuhiko is not S tier.
>>340664227
>>340664494
why does it have some UDG characters but not others?
>>340664227
Yep, that looks like it was made by Reddit alright. You can clearly see the pleb taste in the S and A tiers.
>>340664494
Oh, just one shitter's opinion, OK. I was wondering how the fuck Weedman makes it to C while Souda gets stuck in F.
>>340661807
Wasn't he aware that the world was fake? If so he probably didn't become comatose
>>340664227
>Ishimaru in D-tier
>Mondo in E-tier
>Fucking Toko in A-tier, Aoi and Sayaka in B-tier
L I T E R A L L Y reddit taste.
>>340664865
I don't remember, actually.
I know that he got the files, but did he actually figure out the world was fake? He figured out the traitor, I remember that, but his plan failed.
Someone help out.
>>340664227
Hagakure above
>Celes
>Ikusaba
>Ishimaru
>Oowada
>Hinata
>Koizumi
>Monomi
this person is the Ultimate Shit Taste
>>340665106
He found out that everyone was a part of the Remnants of Despair so he tried to kill everyone except the traitor who wasn't part of the group
I found another Reddit tier list.
>>340665364
>Shitimi
>S tier
>>340665248
Yeah, but could he possibly segue that into the world being fake?
I don't think so.
>>340664227
>>340665364
>haiji in A
>Naegi in F
Made by a woman
>>340665364
>Lady Monaca that high
I'm pleased, but confused. I thought she was widely hated. Also, I can't imagine what that guy sees in Haiji "had to look up his name because I had literally forgotten it" Towa.
Also, not liking Kurokuma should be a criminal offense. He's fucking great.
>>340660162
Would you really prefer if everyone you liked lived? That would end up being pretty boring and the suddenness of death wouldn't really hold much impact when you could just say "Oh well the person who is least popular/has the least lines/has the least importance" is going to die.
Other then brown girl and MC the games don't really hold any favourites in terms of who survives. It's all up to chance just like in reality.
>not having your favorite character being this demented fuckvoiced by a person who actually ended up having dementia and had to be let off
>>340665921
Why did you hate the Despair Disease case anon?
The motive was pretty bad but the case itself was okay.
1's first case is pretty shit though, I have to tell people that it gets better all the time.
>>340659901
No.
Nagito -> Chaotic Neutral
Ishimaru -> Lawful Good
Naegi -> Neutral Good just like Kyoko
The rest is ok. Find someone else for lawful neutral and Chaotic Good.
>>340665921
>>340666440
I like 1-1. It's good at everything except it's too easy.
>>340659901
>Monokuma and Junko in seperate categories
eh?
>>340659646
Ultimate GET
I have a dream! That one day every person in this school will control their own despair. A land of the truly free, dammit. An Academy of action, not words, ruled by strength, not committee! Where the law changes to suit the hopelessness, not the other way around. Where power and murder games are back where they belong: in the hands of the people! Where every man is free to despair - to kill - even himself! Fuck all these limp-dick Naegi's and chickenshit Hajime's. Fuck this 24-hour Internet spew of hope and celebrity bullshit! Fuck Hope's Peak! Fuck Kamukuro! FUCK ALL OF IT! This place is diseased. Rotten to the core. There's no saving it - we need to pull it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN! And from the ashes, a new despair will be born. Evolved, but untamed! The weak will be purged and Junko will thrive - free to live as she sees fit, she'll make HPA great again! ...In my new school, SHSL's will die and kill for what they BELIEVE! Not for money. not for grades! Not for what they're told is right. Every student will be free to fight his own wars!
>>340659901
Makoto is not lawful good, him and the Future Foundation are at odds with each other
>>340661005
>>340666754
You're batshit insane!
>>340666763
Too bad they can't do shit to him cuzdead
>>340666569
That's the problem. It feels like a very transparent tutorial case, especially because it tells you the solution at the very start.
2-1 was also a tutorial case, mind you, but it wasn't so obvious (and Nagito was fucking things up).
>>340665921
My favorite cases were definitely 5 from DR 2 and 4 from DR 1. That Sakura sudden suicide took me for a damn spin. I felt like Byakuya the whole time.
>>340666763
That's because the FF is lawful neutral, possibly lawful evil
>>340666487
Nagito is doing it for a good cause
Ishimaru doesn't care about morality, just the rules
Makoto is a full on moralfag
>>340666657
2 different behaviors
>Lawful Good
Kiyotaka Ishimaru
>Neutral Good
Makoto Naegi
>Chaotic Good
Sakura Ogami
>Lawful Neutral
Aoi Asahina
>True Neutral
Nobody in DR1 is really True Neutral
I suppose Alter Ego is the closest
>Chaotic Neutral
Byakuya Togami
>Lawful Evil
Mukuro Ikusaba (though I'm not sure she'd count as evil)
>Neutral Evil
Celestia Ludenburck
>Chaotic Evil
Junko Enoshima
>>340667264
>Ishimaru doesn't care about morality
He's literally called Ultimate Moral Compass.
>>340667264
Nagito is NOT doing it for a good cause, just for his messed up ideology. That's exactly why he promised to side with the murderer if the murderer was more "hopeful" than the others. That makes him completely unpredictable and only good when he feels like it -> Chaotic Neutral.
Even if Naegi is full on moralfag, he is not a sucker for rules and would gladly break them if that was for a greater good. That's why Neutral Good is perfect for him.
Ishimaru always showed that he enforced the rules for good, not for bad, he never held a grudge when someone broke the rules, but was instead happy whenever someone like Byakuya or Toko started complying with the rules again.
>>340667264
>Ishimaru doesn't care about morality, just the rules
>>340667752
>Nagito is NOT doing it for a good cause, just for his messed up ideology. That's exactly why he promised to side with the murderer if the murderer was more "hopeful" than the others. That makes him completely unpredictable and only good when he feels like it -> Chaotic Neutral.
I would still argue that Nagito could be considered Chaotic Good. At the end of the day, his ideology has the goal of seeing to it that hope wins the ultimate victory over despair. His plan to achieve that is absolutely bonkers, but at its core, Nagito is doing it for what should be considered a good cause. Despair, in the world of Danganronpa, is what should be considered the ultimate evil, and Nagito has devoted his life to making sure that that ultimate evil is destroyed.
It requires a lot of roundabout thinking, and a DM would probably slap the player in the face if he tried to pass a character that acts like Nagito off as Chaotic Good, but there's some wiggle room there.
>>340667312
You're off on a ton of stuff
Taka is lawful beutral, rules are the most important thing, he's neither good nor evil, he just follows the rules
Makoto is lawful good, always striving for goodness regardless, breaking the rules if necessary
Sakura is chaotic neutral, not going for a higher goal but a selfish one, her Dojo
Aoi is not someone who follows the rules, and she's probably chaotic good since she tried to make people she thought were evil pay for what they drove her friend to
Ryoko fits true neutral perfectly because of her "it doesn't concern me" attitude
Yes Byakuya fits
Mukuro is difficult but yeah, she follows her orders to the letter, knowing full well of her actions
Celes is perfect and Junko is obviously right
>>340667645
>>340667942
The titles are victims of the translations and I feel SHSL Hall Monitor fits him much better
>>340667752
Nagito is clearly doing it for the greater good, no matter the short terms consequences and how others may react, chaotic good is that
And Makoto is pretty much a paladin, paladins are supposed to rebel against unjust laws
>>340668416
>Sakura, the girl who sacrificed herself for everyone else's sake, is Neutral
>Aoi, the girl who tried to murder/suicide everybody, is Good
you have messed up morals
>>340668338
>Nagito has devoted his life to making sure that that ultimate evil is destroyed.
I think you're misinterpreting what Nagito thinks. Nagito thinks Hope is invincible, no matter what. Nagito hasn't dedicated his life to making sure that evil is destroyed, he wants to see the strongest possible ULTIMATE HOPE before he croaks. Ergo he spends most of his time working for despair
>>340668338
You're clearly directly associating "Hope" with "Good". In the end, hope still exists even for a bad cause and bad people. Just because one person hopes more for his own good at the cost of everyone else's lives makes him a good person? Nah. Nagito sticks to his own ideology, not any kind of morality, be it good or bad.
Heck, the word's original meaning was that it was the worst feeling a human could have, because its the one that makes you endure despair and suffer until you get what you want, sometimes for naught. That's why it was at the deepest end of Pandora's box.
>>340668416
If Makoto rebels against the law, he stops being a paladin at that point because the law is what makes him one. So yeah, he goes any way for good, be it lawful or chaotic, as long as it is good.
>>340668416
Taka cares for the rules precisely to help others.
Quote: “And that's why I'm so passionate about my work on morals committee. I want to create an environment where everyone has the opportunity to give it everything they've got. That's why I put all my blood, sweat, and tears into creating that kind of environment. I want everyone else to understand that, too. In the end, you can't succeed if you don't try.”
At the end of the day, DnD alignment is shitty and trying to pigeonhole characters into these slots is a disservice to the characters.
>>340669437
This guy gets it.
>>340668727
Sakura only did that when she had her back against the wall
If Sakura actually helped the mastermind it would have been neutral evil, but she didn't actively do anything yet remained under the mastermind's influence and didn't fight against her no matter the cost
She's not good
Aoi tried to punish evil her own way and was prepared to die herself for the cause
It fits
>>340669062
A paladin does not follow the laws of man, but the laws of goodness
The laws of man can, and usually are, made by not-so good people
>>340669368
Exactly, Taka puts more emphasis on the law than on overall goodness
He wants to change the laws to still abide by them and only then will he work for true goodness
Makoto only works for goodness instead, putting higher emphasis on goodness than the law
>>340669437
Considering I can do this you have a point
>>340669691
Then a paladin is not lawful good. Just neutral good. He will go against the government for the good of the people, that's what a neutral good character is.
Makoto follows his own good ideals but not through rules. That's why he went against the rules of the Future Foundation and that's why he never imposed his ideals on others.
>>340669437
Yeah, I made a mistake getting involved in that kind of argument. I never get far.
>>340669691
The fact doesn't make him neutral, though, he still does it all for greater good.
Ultimately, his obsession with rules is just means for a good cause. Its exactly the same logic that you applied to Nagito, except Taka doesn't murder people [spoilers]you hypocrite.[/spoiler]
>>340670000
Quads and yet you say such heresy
The paladin IS THE MAIN EXAMPLE OF LAWFUL GOOD
A full lawfag cannot be lawful good, he's either lawful neutral or outright lawful evil
>>340670373
Nagito never killed anyone
And Taka's obsession with the rules means he ultimately cares more about them than good
Nagito never cares about the rules but only good, yet his methods are crazy
>>340670698
Not for the lack of trying, surely. He got Twogami killed, even if unintentionally.
Taka doesn't care for the rules themselves, the prime reason for his work in the committee is so that people in the school could concentrate on becoming better. If that's not good, I don't know what is.
>>340668416
Dude you're an idiot
>>340670698
You do realize that you're completely misunderstanding Taka's character and the reason why is because your inability to separate him from the standard student council rep archetype
It's making you look incredibly stupid
>>340671339
So?
Nagito was doing it for the ultimate good, in order to have the group unite together
>>340671819
He is that
He plays by Monokuma's rules all the time, he never tries to actually fight back
>>340650052
>he wants to make sense of danganronpa
oh boy
>do they have an ultimate for everything
yes, probably. hand-picked people for every talent they can think of
>multiple ultimates
well, Izuru was shsl everything, that was entire point of hope's peak
>multiple ultimates of same profession
probably one year per ultimate. I mean, there are two SHSL luckers, naegi and naegito
>graduate
guaranteed success
>>340672274
Man, you are pretty dense. Taka upholds order for the good of people around him. It is inherently GOOD, not neutral.
And he does help against Monokuma - mainly by, again, upholding the order in the group. He is the one that makes them gather in the dinner hall every morning.
Where did they get the money for 2 fucking shows?
>>340673635
They'll probably both be low budget and sorta shit, to be fair.
>>340673635
Aren't they both 12 episodes long? That's not too much time.
>>340673702
It doesn't make sense, why waste money on shit anyway, second time and on 2 shows?
I learned nothing from Ace Attorney, I can't help but be intrigued and I will watch of both of this pieces of shit. They hafta have trump card or something.
>>340673702
>apparently the last thing my favorite character has a chance to appear in
>it's probably going to be shit
Despair!
>>340674085
Maybe it'll all turn out okay and the anime will serve as a nice send-off to the older games as we move into new territory with V3.Probably not though.
>>340674372Western release exclusively on PC when?
>>340674364
If it makes you feel any better, Monaca probably won't appear in it at all.
Eh shit, is AE worth "watching"? I never watch playthroughs, but I don't have Vita either.
Are there any decent playthroughs with no voices?
>>340659646
Super Duper Highschool Lonersecretly a homosexual
>>340674372
>cyberpunk prison(?) setting
>pick lie, bro
>potentially has a non-Junko antagonist
this can't come out soon enough
>>340674514
Compared to her only getting another appearance in the anime, I'd be happy with that.
>>340674757
I wouldn't know where to find a good video, but I'd recommend checking AE through one of them if you're not getting a Vita and aren't holding out hope for a PC port. The story and style are great fun, and you get to miss out on the kind of wonky TPS gameplay.
Then again, I just miiiiiiiiiiiight be biased. Just maybe.
