This fucking game...
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This fucking game...
Anything good Brad did meant nothing in the end
Rando was a shitty leader
Buzzo was almost as bad as Marty
Buddy was a cunt
is shit
>>340591762
The ending was so shitty kinda ruined the game for me desu
>>340591762
>>340591967
>>340591763
All of these posts are totally incorrect
We can all agree that Carp is the best party member correct?
Never played this but iv considerd it
From what iv seen it looks like not shitty undertale made by Robert Rodriguez
Is it worth it?
>>340592297
Yeah its definitely worth it, it has it's moments, story is good, battle system is fun, it has some replay value with all the party members you can play with. So yeah overall i think its worth it
>>340592297
It's Earthbound and Mad Max's bastard child, so yes.
>>340592178
He's a furry
>>340592178
you misspelled Shocklord
>>340592297
It's fucking hilarious
>>340592586
Is tiger man a furry?
>>340592178
Birdie is best.
>>340592661
This is correct
When you sacrifice one of your arms and let your daughter be mutilated to save your party members and theystill betray you in the end and call you selfish
>>340592178
Best party member is Terry, this is indisputable. You may only debate about who is second best.
Worst is gay swordman.
>>340592654
you mispelled Rage
>>340592902
Yeah fuck that lost respect for Rage after he said he wanted a piece of the bitch
>>340592178
>joy addict
immediately disqualified
>>340593305
what the fuck what about Buckets?
>>340593470
>joy addict
>either need to sacrifice tons of guys or savescum like a motherfucker to get him
Not worth it
>>340592670
tiger man is widdly2diddly, Austin Jorgesen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSud7WAVhcw
Who did you guys use on your first playthrough?
Rage, Birdie, olan here
>tfw I made Buddy not hug Brad at the end
I've never played a game that gave me such an emotional punch to the gut before.
>>340594420
>not hug
>>340594420
Yeah I personally felt that she wouldn't in that situation but I did it anyway because it would've felt really bad not to
>Use one joy to kill those asshole bandits that ask for all your mags
>Play the rest of the game without joy, including satan
>Finish the game, no joyless ending
Didn't know it was the whole party, kind of salty
>>340594420
kinda wanted to cry, buddy is a bitch though
>>340591762
>>340591967
I hope this is bait because you're objectively wrong.
>>340594873
you're supposed to use your molotovs for that fight
>>340594873
holy shit this, exact same thing happened to me i was pretty pissed
>>340594074
This man is a great person
>>340594979
explain
>>340594873
you could have avoided that fight if you got the truck keys
>>340594074
thats pretty damn great
>>340595323
I uhh, didn't know you could use the keys until the end of the game
>>340595323
it's irrelevant anyways, at that point in the game you shouldn't even be carrying around tons of mags, since if you went that way you came across a shop. If you went there late for some reason, then it's still irrelevant since you weren't spending mags anyways.
>>340595521
you get it after defeating the men's hair club i went back to that village for mad dog and just trucked out
>>340594074
this guy would tear that toby fox faggot apart
UH HUH
TOWER
OF
POWER
Honestly this game is so good, that one fuck you mountain rope thing though
>>340596007
>>340596243
That song came on a while back while I was working outfor once in my god damn lifewhen I had my music on shuffle and I had to take a break I was laughing so hard.
Who is the most wrong/evil character in the game and why is itlisa?
>>340596393
Literally brad
>>340596393
Literally Yado.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZuI3ZkCHfs
>>340591561
... is worse than Undertale
>>340592178
Wrong fish. Both are good though.
>>340596653
You dandy fuck!
>>340592902
>Shocklord doesn't want to do this...
>>340596393
Literally Marty
>>340593141
>letting a spic on your team
>>340591762
>Anything good Brad did meant nothing in the end
See point four.
>Rando was a shitty leader
His guys were ignoring orders left and right, I wouldn't be surprised if they got destroyed from infighting had they gotten Buddy, assuming Brad just let them have her.
>Buzzo was almost as bad as Marty
Maybe in a different way, but it'd be better to say Buzzo was an idiot who got revenge on the wrong guy.
>Buddy was a cunt
Even off of joy, buddy was a selfish piece of shit; Brad got the worst option for a second chance so in the end his efforts were wasted on an ungrateful bitch.
While Brad went about raising a kid the wrong way, I doubt he ever abused her physically (no, the cave don't count because of course he'll hurt anyone to reach Marty) so he did nothing wrong.
randum XD peguin of d-00-m: the game
Guys, I let Buzzo kill Nern, Shocklord, and Ajeet instead of cutting off Buddy's nipple. I-I made the right choice, didn't i?
>>340596583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg6SCZjI48U
is better
>>340598017
That would be undertail
>>340598268
no.
>>340594107
Rooster, Birdie and Geese
No idea why they all ended up fowl related.
>>340594107
Harvey, Nern and Yazan served me well.
>>340598518
>>340598017
After playing both I can safely say that they are each guilty for thinking random = humor.
Does anyone cosplay any of the characters from Lisa? I'm planning to cosplay Buddy for Otakon and already have her ponchos commissioned.
>>340598268
>killing off poking poo in loo of many status effects
maybe you should kill yourself next
>>340594107
Garth, Anjit, and Beastborn were my final party
Mainly cause a lot my guys got permadeathed near the end
>>340596393
>>340596483
>>340596552
Dingaling himself admitted it's Lisa. But it's obviously Marty. The rapist alcoholic who all the abuse comes back to. Without him Lisa wouldn't be fucked up. So Brad and Buzzo wouldn't be fucked up.
Sure Lisa became a really sick person but she had a father who molested her and abused her brother so he wasn't there for her. What did you expect her to become. Normal?
Best song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5HKVNo9bSs
>>340592178
My personal favorite is Harvey, but I think the BEST party member is Fly. His ability to just lay down status ailments HARD is invaluable.
>>340598849
>Sure Lisa became a really sick person
She isn't in this game at all, right?
>>340598268
>letting 3 people lose their lives so a girl could keep something she has two of
>>340598792
i always thought percy's intro scene was guilty of this, then i realized it was dingaling trying to make a character that you would want to immediately sacrifice for russian roulette, as his profile on the website suggests.
>>340598808
I'd like to go as Brad for a con next year. It'll give me an excuse to shave the top of my head, try to grow a thick beard, and get some muscle on my arms.
>>340599105
Just get a real poncho instead of cutting up a brown piece of cloth and you're good
>>340598935
She's dead but we get backstory.
She's the reason Buzzo got fucked up. She manipulated him into doing some fucked up shit like mutilating her genitals and he loved her so he did it. But it obviously fucked the poor kid mentally.
>>340598808
I doubt it'd be worth the effort for how few people would recognize it and how many would mistake me for a furry, but I'd love to do a Big Lincoln cosplay
>>340599206
i thought it was her face that she wanted buzzo to saw off, which is why joyful's title screen is different.
>>340599075
is he worth keeping? he has survived russian roulette against the three opponents
>>340599168
That's the plan.
toot toot u shits, best boss theme coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTKOah18x0g
>>340599272
Good news is that they're more likely to mistake you for some hotline miami OC than for a furry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzH4ENFmg70
still not over it
>>340598975
To be fair most of your party members are pretty shitty people and Buddy is your daughter.
People will go pretty far to not have to see their family, and especially children, hurt.
>>340599303
He's decent, but there's better characters to useHe's one of the most depressing to fight against in the end
>>340599286
Don't think it's ever said specifically. She had Buzzo kill animals as preparation to mutilate her in some way to make her unappealing to Marty.
Presumably that's genitals because if her vagina is fucked up Marty won't want to go near her. Which lends itself well to Marty forcing Brad to drink and rape Lisa himself.
>>340598268
>killing shocklord and nern
>>340598268
>Killing Shocklord and Nern
>For some ungrateful cunt's nipple
no, you didn't anon.
>>340599272
I think if you only had the head as a blue wolf mask and everything else as the suit, it'd work better.Wire up a speaker to play Big Lincoln's battle theme continuously and have it play from inside the suit
How do i git gud at this game
anyone who says buddy was "a bitch" or "ungrateful" missed the point entirely
her character is almost exactly like brad's
>>340597557
>so he did nothing wrong.
>Except that one time he did doesn't count because he was on drugs
>>340600190
Get Birdie, use fire moves. Be thankful you kept Terry when he's doing 8k a turn (25k if a crit).
>>340600226
Not really. Everything Brad did was a misguided attempt to clear his conscience for not stopping everything that happened to Lisa.
Buddy being a bitch arose entirely out of teenage rebellion because Brad sheltered her.
>>340594107
Rage, Terry, and Birdie bruh. I leveled up Jack specifically for Satan. I think Terry crit for over 20,000 damage during that fight after Birdie oiled him up.
>>340600226
Anyone that who says Buddy was a bitch or ungrateful doesn't comprehend how fucked up a child would be after seeing multiple people killed, brutally mutilated, and her own father descend into gibbering deformity all while hopped up on military grade super drugs. Not only that, but Sticky implanted the idea in her head that she was the world's fucking savior. Her brother's own men tried to rape her if memory serves correct. Everything was literally fucked beyond all repair, but even in the end (one of the endings at least) Buddy manages to give up joy and realize that her father loved her through a morbid hallucination/battle. Of course nearly every decision she made was horribly fucked, but her psyche is so damaged that she literally see bloody writing on the walls.
did youjoin them? or did youleave them?
>>340601008
yeah but she's still a total bitch
>>340594107
Birdie, Mad Dog, Beastborn
>>340600226
nah
joyful fucked up brad's character and made buddy an edgelord for no reason
in painful her character made sense
>>340601008
This guy gets it
>>340600513
>Everything Brad did was a misguided attempt to clear his conscience
does the murder of dozens of innocent people count? i mean people really underestimate how screwed up Brad was. Buddy is the result of decades of abuse from the Armstrong family, not to mention growing up in a completely hopeless world, alienated from what little civilization still remains in the world. people act like she's some kind of angsty teen going "fuck you dad" as if Brad wasn't also committing joy-fueled murder all over the place. it really feels like people hate Buddy just for the sake of it
>>340601163
>for no reason
Her descent into madness was terribly rushed, but it'd be weird for her not to be completely fucked in the head. And the Joyful improved on Brad's character if anything, showing that he was without a doubt a loving and caring father despite his shortcomings. Him teaching Buddy how to kill, while extreme, was not the wrong decision to make in such extreme circumstances. The Joyful tied up all the characters affected by Marty's abuse, and explained Yado's motivations. The only problem was the game was really lacking in the gameplay department and pacing, despite the knockout presentation and memorable bosses.
>>340601519
Christ, that guy caught me off guard when I saw him for the first time
>>340601519
Never said Brad was blame free. I'm saying their characters are in no way similar. Brad was on a warpath to save his daughter both because it was his daughter and a second chance to save his sister.
Buddy was a sheltered child who was told she's the messiah and resented Brad because she didn't understand what he was trying to protect her from.
>>340601008
None of the things you point out would result in Buddy being ungrateful to the only one trying to protect her from that. She's an ungrateful bitch.
>>340601519
Buddy was written to be very hate-able with the addition of joyful. Brad you could at least sympathize with before you realized he was a shitty person too.
>>340601607
>memorable bosses
nigga please, I can only remember sindy gallows and the hippy village leader, and big lincoln off that list. I only remember the hippy village leader because of how Rando sullied his good nature and straight up murdered the guy because his little sis wanted to
>>340601519
>murder of dozens of innocent people
>innocent people
????
Anyone ready for Ninja Tears?
Will it have a more depressing story?
>>340602037
I dunno. Joyful left a biter taste in my mouth, and in being 'more intense' than Lisa I feel he might be dipping into shitty shock art ('art' for lack of a better word)
>>340601008
Reminder of how Buddy treated Rando, literally the only character who did nothing wrong, and then went on to kill everyone in her way, even the guy in charge of the Pacifist Village.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3QBQx9v9hE
I couldn't fucking handle this bit /v/. It was too much. Some of those speeches they gave ;_;
>>340602218
Yeah I didn't really like Joyful as much as Painful but I do like the concept of it and the new art style. I guess I'm cautiously looking forward to it.
>>340602347
>... ... Brad ...
>mfw
>>340602218
Everybody has their off day, or development period, or whatever. The only way to learn what works sometimes is to fuck up, so I think we can expect something good.
Did Sticky and Richard actually do much wrong?
I really felt terrible killing Sticky when he doesn't even fight Brad near the end.
>>340602347Goodbye human.
>>340601754
Buddy doesn't understand Brad's trying to save her. If anything she thinks he's the bad guy as he literally kills every person she meets, on top of Sticky twisting Brad's intentions by making Buddy think he's doing the wrong thing by keeping her sheltered. Brad makes it explicitly clear that everyone just wants to use her and she takes this to heart, flying off the joy-laced handle and resolving to turn the wasteland into something relatively livable for a female without getting turned into a breeding sow. She's a sheltered child with no real sense of the outside world being raised by a traumatized drug addict and his friends, one of which is actively going behind his back and using her teenage insecurities as a weapon of betrayal.
This game is a joke compared to Undertale. Literally made for edgelord teenagers.
>>340603243
Undertale is made for autistic people.
>>340603243
But I already played Earthbound and Iji did the genocide/pacifist thing 7 years earlier than Undertale did and in a much more fun (and free) package.
>>340603243
Both are fine.
![eafe3820e472f1af1f750311d7d49653[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/wUDDw1b.png "eafe3820e472f1af1f750311d7d49653[1]")
>>340602690
She's a piece of shit who even after Brad's sacrifice, emotionally manipulates Dusty into killing people and even turns on him. No one told her to go and kill everyone on The List. Did you even play the game? What you're saying would make sense, but not after The Joyful released.
>>340603589
>No one told her to go and kill everyone on The List
What does that have to do with what he said? Of course no one told her to, she took the initiative to try to create a place where she wouldn't have to worry about being used, like anon said.
Also, at least she acknowledged Dusty. More than can be said for Brad.
>>340602218
The issue with Joyful wasn't that it was just darker than Lisa, it's that we never got a repreve from it. Lisa hit harder when it got serious because when it wasn't it was funny as fuck and was choc full of ridiculous/absurdist humor (see the Bulldozer segment). But with Joyfull we never get a chance to "decompress" so it just because normal and less hard hitting.
>>340594107
Terry, Nern, Birdie.
Also Ninja Tears when?
>>340603415
Iji also was a lot more nuanced with it, having Iji's reactions to killing shift depending on how much you do it, along with logbooks reacting to specific actions. Saving/failing to save Dan is also a really neat change, basically all of Iji's dialogue is different.
There will never be a vidya character more badass than Sindy Gallows
>>340603751
>Of course no one told her to, she took the initiative to try to create a place where she wouldn't have to worry about being used, like anon said.
>yeah so slaughtering the pacifist village is creating a safe space for her
The fact that she does manage to kill everyone on The List proves how fucking useless it was in doing so since it's not like they could do anything to her. There is some cognitive dissonance in this thread when you have people saying that Brad is shit for killing "innocent" people when Buddy actually did kill innocents unprovoked.
>Also, at least she acknowledged Dusty. More than can be said for Brad.
How was Brad supposed to know that Rando was Dusty or that Dusty even survived the White Flash?
>>340598808
I remember you
>>340594107
I had Terry, Nern, and Shockmaster
The end broke my heart.
>Nern: For the first time in my life I'm speechless. Brad my boy.... This is history... And it's for the best.
>Shocklord: I don't like this... Guys this ain't right. Brad I don't want to hurt you! Stand down! Please...
>Terry:Brad... I've been a loser my whole life. Hanging around you have made me feel strong for once. Like a man... The first day we met was the best day of my life. ... Even before the world changed... Maybe you don't feel the same way... But you're my best friend dude. It's just this... Brad this is our future your messing with... I'm sorry. We can't let you do this.
>>340604103
>yeah so slaughtering the pacifist village is creating a safe space for her
Buddy has literally no concept of pacifism, her entire life every single major event has revolved around violence, and every time the people who didn't fight hard or good enough died.
All of her experiences molded her into thinking that if you don't fight, you die, (including being raised by Brad) and that shifted to if you don't fight, you don't deserve to live.
It's not right obviously, but it isn't contrived.
I dunno why people are arguing when both Brad and Buddy are shitty and did shitty things for their own reasons.
>>340604231
>Terry's speech
>>340604103
It's like nobody is saying Buddy is a good person, and they're both fucked up by the situations they find themselves in.
>>340604491
One of my only few complaints with Lisa is that party members never really got a chance to be fleshed out.
They speak to you once or so before they join you, then they have victory quotes/loot quotes, but other than that endgame is the only time they talk.
I would have been happy with the cast being half as large if the characters got more screen time and commented on major stuff (similar to Rando in Joyful).
That ending speech hit me like a one tonne truck regardless though.
>>340604434
Brad isn't shitty and Buddy is shitty.
>>340604785
>Brad isn't shitty
He's a drug addict who neglected his child (and also made her murder people for practice).
>>340604874
He quits Joy and is probably the most fit parent in Olathe besides Rando or Mr. Beautiful. He's trying to make up for the death of Lisa and tried his best.
>>340605135
Brad is a textbook example of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
He tried his best but by that point the genie had been let out of the bottle and was willing to let the world die for his own selfish desire to atone for not saving Lisa.
Now you could argue that some of the blame isn't his because he was already in the process of undergoing a Joy transformation which brings out your deepest desires, but his hands aren't clean here either.
>>340604231
You had the most heartfelt last fight shit.
>>340598268
I mean, from a character standpoint that IS what Brad would probably do, but nah you fucked up.
You NEVER betray shocklord.
>>340603589
She kills everyone on the list because Brad tells her not to trust anyone. The best way to not get raped in the wasteland is by making everyone your bitch, which is a pretty sensible conclusion if you're hopped up on joy and your Dad just died in your arms/at your feet. She doesn't know Rando, she has no real reason to trust him other than that he's nice, and his own men tried to cage/rape her when she literally suffers from a mix of ptsd and cabin fever. She does in fact start to warm up to him right before he admits to, what is in her eyes, betrayal. She was destined to be the product of generations of abuse no matter what happened. The running theme of the story is people being damaged by no fault of their own actions. She absolutely acted like a bitch and was responsible for her own decisions, but those were the only actions she would ever make given the circumstances, in the same way that Brad was only ever going to pursue his daughter to the ends of the Earth, or kill Marty when meeting him for the first times in years. What else was she supposed to do? Play house with her new brother and wait to get knocked up? Make a life for herself? The twisted irony of it all is that she actually confronts her demons when all things are said and done, although I believe that can be said for most of tragic characters.
>>340605135
He quits Joy, but then later comes back to where he left his stash behind. He shows from the very beginning that for all he says he can't get rid of his demons.
>>340604738
That's unfortunately impossible when you have shit like the russian roulette that just straight up kills people. It requires a shit ton of work to make a bunch of different scenarios for characters who may or may not show up when they're supposed to have a story moment.
It is a bit of a Chrono Cross dilemma though isn't it as far as numbers go.
>>340605460
I dunno, they don't need to be huge in the story, simply have them react to certain things (for example, have them comment on the nipple), they don't really need to be integral to the story, just present to make it seem like they matter after you recruit them.
I was really hoping to get more stories out of Nern.
>>340605317
>was willing to let the world die for his own selfish desire to atone for not saving Lisa.
Are you suggesting he should've turned Buddy over to be used as a baby maker? You can't claim moral superiority with that position. He had her best interests at heart and she did end up becoming independent and not used.
>>340604231
>tfw Terry,Birdie,Shocklord
>tfw their speeches
>tfw they barely fought back at all
>>340605423
But you can play the entire game without using joy. Hell he was even forced to by Buzzo.
>>340605590
>Birdie just accepts his death and cries the entire time
>that win quote where he drunkenly says he misses his sons
Birdie had a hard life.
Best Rando army Member?
>tfw nern, olan, and birdie
>>340605587
>Are you suggesting he should've turned Buddy over to be used as a baby maker?
No, but you can bet your ass Brad would have taken the opposite extremist position which is never letting her make the choice herself.
Rando was probably the most right in that, in that he wanted Buddy to be the future but never would have forced her to do so.
Of course, Brad had no way of knowing this and a constant theme of Lisa is people being horribly damaged despite doing nothing to deserve it (Buzzo, Lisa, Brad, Buddy, even Dusty to an extent).
Brad was pretty fucked up and no matter what Rando said he would have killed him at the end of Lisa.
>>340600025
thanks for the new picture, friend
So I realized a missed a bunch of shit after my first playthrough just from looking at the trailer. When do I climb the mans stache? When do I walk on a tightrope dressed like a woman? Did I miss an entire crossroads or something?
>>340599438
>Yeah, you're my little Buddy.
>Brad and Buddy, I like the sound of that.
>I'm sorry Buddy
>I tried so hard, and I failed you.
>I miss you so much.
>The failure is crying
This is one of those games where I finish playing and I find myself wanting more of it.
>tfw LISA 3 never
I need more content, and replaying the game just isn't doing it.
>>340606071
You buy the map from the dojo area garage sale, 55 mags. Its mostly a reference to Jim sterling.
>>340606117
The Joyful is Lisa 3
>mfw I let Terry die during russian roulette because I did it 4 fucking times before it didn't kill literally everyone due to stupid RNG bullshit
Fuck roulette.
>>340606071
Find Shardy.
Get the maps from shops
Explore
>>340606117
The story is concluded, beating a dead horse is the worst thing you can do to a franchise.
Do what Brad and Buzzo failed to do andlet go, anon
>>340605934
Yeah I won't argue that Brad's actions were better than Rando's, but he was by no means a shitty person, especially compared to the rest of Olathe.
>>340606095
>The failure hates himself.
>>340606213
>Letting Terry die
>Ever
>I live in a town called Olathe
>>340606213
Roulette is the one time I find myself savescumming like a motherfucker.
Lose a companion to a boss, sure, but losing Birdie when I had as much luck as possible on him is bullshit and a half.
>>340606164
>The dojo
Yea about that...
>mfw i didnt find Junk/Garbage Island or w/e because I did my first playthrough on hard mode
Fug
>>340606373
>mfw managed to cheese Satan without losing a party member by scaring him with Nern and blinding him with Birdie's gasoline spit
He may be a drunk retard but he's my drunk retard and I'm never letting him go.
>>340606373
>>340606213
>mfw the only character I lost was Beastborn
>>340606237
>let go, anon
>listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=730jXH_Ni7Yfuck off Elijah I got your gold asshole
>>340592297
it has nothing in common with undertale, which i can only assume is a positive for you
>>340606175
LISA 4 then, depending on if you consider Joyful a separate game or an expansion.
>>340606237
I know I'd probably end up horribly disappointed in the end game, but I can't.I need the joy in my heart
>>340592902
>tfw Shocklord, Terry and Nern all broke down and cry during that last segment while begging you to reconsider your actions
>>340606692
That final fight with your party was fantastic, I loved how party members who hated you would go all out, but your friends would break down and cry and beg you to stop, it was an excellent example of meshing a narrative with gameplay.
>>340606479
I had Nern, Birdie, and Olan
I had Nern piss him off, Birdie oil him up, and then Olan and I beat the shit out of Satan
Nobody even got KO'd, let alone killed
>>340598923
Except whet he doesn't piss off mutants (which happens unacceptably often) and you end up with broken and bitten off heads.
Terry is the best in all aspects but raw heath, aoe healing and debuff removal.
>>340606785
I'm impressed with a lot of what Dingaling did while making this series
>that soundtrack he supposedly managed to just pull out of his ass
>that end game
>everything that was Hollywood
>Buddy?
>...Did I do the right thing?
>>340592178
Carp was pretty solid, Jack is my man though.
Also, Terry is objectively the best party member.
>>340606978
Yes Brad, yes.
>>340606970
I have to agree.
There's very little I can find fault with in Lisa (a bit more in Joyful but Lisa was a very hard act to follow)
A few issues I had
>Choices didn't really matter, this bugged me a little that not taking Joy didn't change anything at all, I get that it doesn't take much to start a Joy mutation but it would have been nice to get maybe an extra scene, or a little more time with Buddy.
>Dr. Yado felt extremely underdeveloped as a character and when juxtaposed next to Buddy and Brad seemed almost cartoonishly evil to me, this wasn't really an issue in Painful but it became one in Joyful when he played a more active role
>Party members don't really have any character aside from the first time you recruit them and right at the end of the game
It's a solid 9/10 in my book, with Joyful being 8-8.5/10
>>340600226
Well brad is a dick and selfish. Only reason i like him is becasue playing as a guy grows attatchment.
![tumblr_ns9qo5cbgO1rgggspo1_1280[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/BKn6q0V.png "tumblr ns9qo5cbgO1rgggspo1 1280[1]")
>>340606479
Bernie's my nigup until I have to just straight up slaughter him along with the rest of Brad's Bestieswhy didn't they just stay on the island?
>>340601842
Construction site.
>>340603243
Both games are different from eachother and good, (You) should really kill yourself
The soundtrack for this game is massively underrated
We can all agree that Rando simultaniously did nothing wrong and also had the hardest life, right?
>Has a shitty home life
>Gets his face sawn off by Buzzo
>Watches the world die around him
>Does his best to pick up the pieces and restore piece
>His own men disregard his orders and abuse his kindness
>Does his best anyway
>His own father destroys everything he tried to build up and slaughters his men
>Then beats him to near death despite them having the same goal
>Despite everything that happened to him, is still the nicest guy in the fucking world
>Saves his sister from mutants
>She kills the last of his friends
>He has to grin and bear it
>Tries his best to care for her, only to realize she's a monster
>Sticks with her to try and change her mind
>Eventually is strung up with barbed wire and left there hanging for Buddy to find
>Gets dropped down a chasm
>At best, has his throat slit by his sister as an act of mercy, at worst she kills him for his "betrayal" and hates him
>>340608135
Atleast Buddy can become a joy mutant and get what she deserves
>>340607680
The construction site was full of football players who throw shit at you and attack you. If you're referring to the bulldozer section then fair enough, but you only kill like three unprovoked, and a lot of them fought back
>that whole ending sequence with you fighting your party, ripping through a gauntlet of enemies, and then the final fight with Rando
I can't remember a game that simultaneously made me feel horribly depressed and so fucking hyped at the same time. It was like I was really in Fist of the North Star.
>Lisa, baby
>I'm sorry
Like hell you were you piece of shit, you deserved to get your shit pushed in by Brad
>>340606479
Beat Satan with armless Brad, Nern, Crisp, and Sonny. For some reason I decided I would grind all my party members, save Crisp and Sonny, at the EWC to level 25. Thanks to that decision Brad was at level 54 when facing Satan. The reason I had the last two party members in the game on my team was to get them to level 25 as well.
What ended up happening was Crisp burning Satan when needed, Sonny scaring him with his clotheslines, and Nern restoring SP, TP, and HP.
>>340606479
Beat him with Shocklord, Ajeet and RT
Really wasn't too bad, kept him constantly under status effects
I wasnt even aware he could kill your dudes permanently
Post favorite songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnR2AyGxZuM
>tfw nearing the end
>>340594074
2talented4me
>>340597557
>His guys were ignoring orders left and right
He wasn't exactly all seeing. It's a roving band post-apocalypse. There is a limit to how organized/discipline they can be.
Considering Rando's army dominated over all others that makes him literally the most successful leader. If he wasn't a good leader then there is no such as a good leader in Olathe.
>>340609437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZuI3ZkCHfs
I wouldn't say it's my favorite, but it threw me off and made me giggle.
>>340609437
>The other guys didn't make it huh?
>I guess we had it coming.
>How about one last race, Brad? No hard feelings, just for fun.
>>340609437
Howdy motherfucker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWdQHlcC_5M
>>340609857
The hippie managed to make a bunch of post-apocalyptic nuts into an orderly, peaceful community. That alone makes him a better leader.
>>340600169
Holy shit that's like the best idea ever
>>340609437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWBPNauvQ4Y&
>>340610216
>an orderly, peaceful community
Weren't his people being slaughtered by a pacifist turned joy mutant when Buddy came to collect on their boss?
>>340610102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CESrjP4QwyM
>the boss battle that never was
>>340600513
>Buddy being a bitch arose entirely out of teenage rebellion because Brad sheltered her.
Not because she was thoroughly traumatized and abused while being held captive by various groups that just wanted her for her body or Brad who used her as a surrogate for emotional vindication.
No, it was teenage rebellion from a sheltered life. It's not like she had a worse life than Brad did.
>>340610216They were all neutered
>>340603589
Considering how Brad raised killing everyone on the list makes perfect sense.
I find it offputting how willing people are to place the blame for her beliefs and behavior squarely on Buddy's shoulders while excusing the very people who messed her up because they had hard lives.
>>340602271
Do you rember how she was also already in moddt transformation into turning into a joy mutant? She had already started taking joy by the tine.she end up with marty ob that island. And like brad near the end she too started to give in to her baser instincts as well of wanting to like be free of everything or whatever exactly one concludes it may be.
She was already part joy mutant in the start of joyfull and gave ine to her basic instinct of violence to at least in her minds best try to get what she truly wanted.
>>340610621
She didn't have a worse life than Brad, fuck off Buddy defense force.
>Be Brad
>Dad sexual abuses and beats you and your younger sister
>Sister commits suicide
>Feel completely helpless
>Drink the pain away
>Entire world destroyed in the White Flash
>Left in a wasteland with nothing but beer and drugs
>No hope for survival
>Find a female child and dedicate your life to protecting her to make up for your past failures
>You're betrayed by your best friends and they turn her over to the Rando army
>Go on a journey to find and save her
>You give up your own body parts to save her
>She hates you and tells you that you've hurt her the most
>>340602658
They betrayed brad. Even if one argues that it was for the greater good the u betrayed someone they gave their word to and are guilty of the same thing the accused brad of being.
>>340610621
Nobody did anything to her though. They held her captive but...that was it. How is that more traumatic than being beaten, your sister raped, forced to get drunk and rape your own sister who then killed herself and then the apocalypse.
>>340609437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLVijIRdOVQ
Not a lot of people seem to like it that much. That or they didn't find the area, which is understandable.
>>340604103
>The fact that she does manage to kill everyone on The List proves how fucking useless it was in doing so since it's not like they could do anything to her
That's some serious mental gymnastics there. Because you beat them it means you should've beaten them because they couldn't harm you because you can beat them. Which you only know because you've beaten them.
And then there's the assumption that they couldn't possibly turn the tables by say, finding and ambushing her first. It's not like the entire point of Buddy clearing the list was to take out the leaders before they could organize a raid to get her.
>>340604103
I assume though that from that one hallucination in joyful where brad is crying with a rando mask in hand that he may have known about dusty. And that he kept his distance after what was shown to have happened int he painful ending if the first game as to make dustys safety more assured since something was after brad and the thinfs or peoe he cared about for reasons that he never understood why.
>>340602538
>bo played a familiar tune
>bo is crying
>>340592178
>that's one for the books
undisputable best guy
![6d21c72011108e03d001ca414c103203[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Et7UFEv.png "6d21c72011108e03d001ca414c103203[1]")
>>340611062
Brad raised her better than anyone besides Rando could've. You're not putting it into perspective. Most of Olathe didn't want to protect her, Brad is a saint compared to them. He even tried giving up Joy when he found her. Really the only "bad" thing he did in raising her was having her kill someone for self defense training, and it worked out at the end. Brad didn't just teach her how to be a fighter.
>>340602347
>Carp: ...brad
>rage saying that he never cared and still he keeps crying all of the fight
>that entire fucking terry speech
>>340605135
He was using Buddy to vindicate himself. He took care of her for selfish reasons and was unwilling to admit he was denying Buddy any sort of future.
>is probably the most fit parent
How would you know? The entire point was that Brad refused to consider any other possibilities other than him "raising" her by keeping her locked in a cave, and refused to see how much he was hurting everyone including her just because he felt guilty over Lisa.
>>340612314
>He was using Buddy to vindicate himself. He took care of her for selfish reasons
Is that somehow supposed to negate his actions? Are you implying that he never actually cared about Buddy?
>How would you know? The entire point was that Brad refused to consider any other possibilities other than him "raising" her by keeping her locked in a cave, and refused to see how much he was hurting everyone including her just because he felt guilty over Lisa.
Prove he wasn't then. He was helping Buddy more than hurting her. He kept her from violence, it was Ricky and Sticky who had the Rando Army storm their house and kill Cheeks introducing Buddy to the violent world.
>>340606970
https://steamcommunity.com/app/335670/discussions/0/622954023423946561/
>fruit loops trail version
That means he had to make every song in a single go. Jezus fucking Christ.
>>340608665
That might be the very best fan art I have ever seen.
>>340610216
Only if they were also actually capable of organizing and defending themselves/make shit happen.
There is nothing impressive about gathering a bunch of cowardly rejects and hiding out together away from everyone else.
Rando actually took over Olathe. If anything the pacifist village only existed because Rando let them exist.
Loved Painful and always will.
Joyful wasn't very fun but had interesting plot development.
>>340612314
>How would you know? The entire point was that Brad refused to consider any other possibilities
So your logic is that everyone should have gotten a turn with Buddy because WHO KNOWS WHO THE BEST DAD WOULD BE?
Considering she nearly got raped with every group she was passed off to and lost body parts as well I'd vote Brad.
The only thing brad did wrong was beating/killing Marty and hitting Buddy to get to him for revenge, but even then if I had gone through what he had gone through I'd have killed the son of a bitch too.
>>340613442
The fact that he (presumably) ditched Dusty prior to the Flash is a bit of a dick move as well.
Way to be a bad dad, Brad.
>>340613442
Brad being imperfect is what makes him a great character.
BIG LINCOLN SENDS YOU TO HELL
Could Rando take Buzzo in a fight?
>>340611343
Yeah, but at the same Brad had a life. He had fun at times. He had friends. He got to explore the world and develop himself, despite all the traumas.
Buddy grew up in what was essentially a cell. That by itself is enough to drive most people genuinely insane.
It's the difference between bad food and starvation.
>>340613672
That was answered when Buzzo cut his face off
>>340613837
Didn't the face thing happen a long while before the game takes place? It's been a while since I played it.
>>340613960
The answer is still no. Rando couldn't beat an armless Brad with arrows stuck all over his body and Buzzo can literally end the world.
>>340613793
Most people seem to forget that. Brad's life was no doubt horrible, but there were still spots of good in there. He experienced terrible stuff, but he had Rick, Sticky and Cheeks to help cope with that misery, not to mention the kids he taught karate who seemed to like him well enough.
>>340614205
Was Buzzo taking joy?
Rot in hell...Dale Spooner
>>340614348
Probably started taking it in Joyful.
>>340613793
But Brad realized he was raising Buddy similarly to how Marty raised him and Lisa and stopped being as mean to her. He even made a mask for her to wear so they can go outside.
>>340614518
How could he take Rando then? The only reason Brad beat him was because he was mutating by that point and was basically unkillable.
>>340614348
>>340614518
Have you guys not played the Joyful?He turns into a mutant and distributed joy to people in Olathe.
>>340614684
Plot armor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qMiezGKHaY
>>340612125
>Brad raised her better than anyone besides Rando could've
>Most of Olathe didn't want to protect her, Brad is a saint compared to them
How would you know? You never get to meet all the people in Olathe, just the ones that get in the way of Brad's quest to find Buddy, with interactions limited to whatever it takes to find her.
>>340612645
>Are you implying that he never actually cared about Buddy?
I'm saying he let his guilt fueled family fantasy get in the way of actually considering Buddy's needs.
>He was helping Buddy more than hurting her
Who knows what could've been if he had taken her elsewhere. It's literally impossible to tell, in part because Brad wouldn't even consider it. For better or worse Brad decided from the start that there was only one way to raise Buddy. I'm not saying he was evil or uncaring, but that he had selfish motivations he wouldn't admit to and used Buddy's existence as an emotional crutch.
>>340614719
I know that, but I don't think Buzzo took Joy before Joyful because he knew what it do to you.He mostly likely binged after releasing mutant Brad and realizing how bad he fucked up. Finding Lisa's casket and getting the cutscene implies he just started taking it due to grief.
>>340601519
Fuuuuuck Johnathan, that fucker ruined my first playthrough, I didn't knew enemies could perma kill party members on normal battles before him
>>340602037
Ninja Tears? explain
does anybody have a MEGA for the OST?
>>340613414
No, I'm saying your logic for claiming Brad was the most fit parent in Olathe is based entirely on presumption. You have literally no way of knowing what other parents would've been like. Claiming that Brad was the best even though he was the only one is fucking stupid.
>>340614967
>How would you know? You never get to meet all the people in Olathe, just the ones that get in the way of Brad's quest to find Buddy, with interactions limited to whatever it takes to find her.
Observation. All of the people you meet are violent or want to fuck buddy. Not to mention the fact that the literal currency of Olathe is pornography. He sacrificed a lot to raise her, even his friends weren't up for it.
>I'm saying he let his guilt fueled family fantasy get in the way of actually considering Buddy's needs.
He did consider her needs though.
>Who knows what could've been if he had taken her elsewhere.
Fuck off with these hypotheticals, there is no evidence pointing to a better life for Buddy to have.
>>340613521
>a bit of a dick move
That's a bit of an understatement
>>340615337
>assuming that was me
You're underestimating how many people don't like Buddy.
>>340596583
Soup's on, baby
>>340612961
It was my wallpaper for over a year. Even though everyone who saw it was like, 'What the fuck is that, anon?'
>>340615337
>wasteland of rapists and psychopaths
>BRAD MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN BEST
I honestly can't think of a single person who might have been a better father.
I think the cross-dresser was the next most normal person.
>>340615282
Go buy it
>>340616002
Orphanage guy seemed to have a pretty good thing going until Brad threw gasoline on his children.
>>340615282______________ go buy it _____
>>340616002
You're about to catch a bat to the ass if you don't choose your next words very carefully you little shit
>>340607371
But it does.you get another ending if you don't take any joy
>>340616131
What sort of drugs do I have to take to think setting one's charges on fire is "a pretty good thing"
>>340614305
The thing about Lisa's story and world is that a lot of it is left to the imagination. You don't know all the facets of Brad's life, but you get glimpses and hints. Like when Brad's addiction comes up at the start. It's implied to refer to a real dark period in Brad's life but what exactly it was he did or gave in to or for how long is left unspecified. The way Rick, Sticky and Cheeks confront his parenting also implies shortcomings, but again no details. You're left to guess whether it was them projecting their frustrations in the moment or whether Brad was actually guilty of neglect/abuse. The fact that Ricky and Sticky couldn't take it anymore suggests a lot, but the question is about whom or what.
This ambiguity is part of what makes Lisa so great. So many things you get to taste and feel, but never truly know. Brad's relationship with Rando is a perfect example of this.
>>340614630
He did care and try really hard at times and had his moments where he did good. That's what makes him such a gripping character. But how well he actually did (and how well he could've done) is left very uncertain, with relapses and dark periods implied but not touched upon.
>>340615615
Fucking plebs.
>>340616314
He didn't set them on fire, Brad did. And what don't you get about "until Brad threw gasoline"?
>>340616131
>taking a joke cutscene out of context so you can take a jab at Brad
Fuck off, even if you took that scene seriously it was entirely Morrace's fault.
>>340616320
>left very uncertain
the game began with him at the end of a joy/booze bender
brad is a real piece of shit/saint
>>340616472
How is it out of context to point out that something like an orphanage can exist in Lisa's world? This isn't a completely lawless wasteland, it has stable communities and people who are willing to take care of one another. Hell, it has a wrestling promotion.
>>340616320
>But how well he actually did (and how well he could've done) is left very uncertain, with relapses and dark periods implied but not touched upon.
He raised her better than anyone else in Olathe could've. Of course he wasn't a perfect parent.
>>340616807
>Morrace catches kids playing with matches
>Faces Brad to and tells him to hand him that bucket of water
>Brad walks to the only visible bucket that Morrace was facing the direction of
>Picks up the bucket without objection from Morrace
>Pours the bucket on the children
>They catch on fire and Morrace reveals it was gasoline and that the water bucket was on a mountain not visible to Brad behind where morrace was facing
>Proceed to be a fucking retard and go "hur dur brad killed deese childrn he obvsly bad parent xdd"
>>340615385
>All of the people you meet are violent or want to fuck buddy
Not literally everyone, not even close. And you only meet people on your quest to find Buddy so naturally you're going to have to deal with all the people who want to take her from you. That doesn't mean that that's all there is, just that that's all you've seen.
>He sacrificed a lot to raise her, even his friends weren't up for it.
What exactly did he sacrifice? And his friends were up for it for the longest time. It's only eventually that they got sick of it and it's implied that Brad's behavior is part of the reason for that. They don't have anything good to say about his parenting.
>He did consider her needs though.
Sometimes. The extent of his commitment to actually raising her and creating a future for her as opposed to simply keeping her alive and close by because her presence comforts him is left entirely uncertain. All you know is that he tried, and that it wasn't enough. Whether he was to blame or whether it could've ever been enough are not questions with answers. That's part of what makes Lisa so powerful.
>there is no evidence pointing to a better life for Buddy to have
That's because there's hardly evidence at all. Which is why it's so fucking stupid to presume that Brad was the best choice. He was the only choice. He himself made sure of that.
>>340613113
Would waste my life raising only to have her despise me in the end.
>>340615462
It doesn't matter if it was you.
>>340616002
There is a whole host of non-violent characters you barely get to interact with. Even the people you recruit you often learn very little about. You have no idea how much of the wasteland is actually psycho-rapists and how much is Brad actively seeking out psycho-rapists because they're the ones trying to take Buddy.
It's literally impossible to know which is why it's retarded to call Brad the best. He certainly wasn't the worst but beyond that it's a complete guess.
>>340617002
>blaming someone else because you mistook a bucket of gasoline for water
Brad defense force pls go
>>340617169
>What exactly did he sacrifice? And his friends were up for it for the longest time. It's only eventually that they got sick of it and it's implied that Brad's behavior is part of the reason for that. They don't have anything good to say about his parenting.
The time he spent raising her, the work they put into making a cave under the house, giving up his joy addiction even if it meant he saw visions of Marty, the emotional turmoil she put him through. Rick and Sticky literally betrayed Brad, kidnapped Buddy, and had Cheeks killed, they can't take a moral high ground. Brad was obviously more dedicated than they were.
>. The extent of his commitment to actually raising her and creating a future for her as opposed to simply keeping her alive and close by because her presence comforts him is left entirely uncertain. All you know is that he tried, and that it wasn't enough. Whether he was to blame or whether it could've ever been enough are not questions with answers. That's part of what makes Lisa so powerful.
By the standards of our society Brad's parenting was subpar, but for what they were in he was by no means a bad parent. He raised her until she was old enough and taught her how to be strong and independent. How can you say these conditions are bad when the only other option she had was to submit and be used by other people? She was fully independent at the end of The Joyful, that's due to Brad's parenting, not the whims of people who wanted to manipulate her.
>That's because there's hardly evidence at all. Which is why it's so fucking stupid to presume that Brad was the best choice. He was the only choice. He himself made sure of that.
Good, so you admit your argument is based on nothing. I'm half-assuming you had a shitty dad and are projecting yourself onto Buddy.
>>340616839
>He raised her better than anyone else in Olathe could've
How in the flying fuck would you know? By what logic can you tell that Brad was the very best parent that Buddy could've had? Not just a good parent, but better than ANYONE ELSE in Olathe, including ALL THE PEOPLE YOU NEVER MET or barely talked to.
>>340617981
Rando or Mr. Beautiful arguably.
>>340612774
>artist
>writer
>musician
>game designer
>karate master
Is there anything this guy can't do? Jesus.
>>340617795
It's not even a mandatory section.
>>340617949
>The time he spent raising her
But that's what he wanted to do. How was it a sacrifice when Buddy was the only thing that gave Brad's life meaning? There were no hopes and dreams he was giving up on when he decided to raise her, instead he pinned all his hopes and dreams on her.
>the emotional turmoil she put him through
By that logic Buddy's entire life was a sacrifice to Brad.
>She was fully independent at the end of The Joyful, that's due to Brad's parenting
That's a presumption. Plenty of people turn out just fine, or even exemplary, despite terrible parenting. And if anything it's pretty clear during the Joyful that Buddy was fucked up in the head, at least partially from Brad's parenting.
>He raised her until she was old enough
Old enough had nothing to do with it.
>taught her how to be strong and independent
Except he did exactly the opposite. Her entire life she was locked up and fully dependent, with very few trips outside of her cave.
>the only other option she had was to submit and be used by other people?
In part because Brad insisted on raising her himself. He could've gone out and found other people to raise her better than himself, but he decided from the start he wanted to be that person because it was his opportunity to make up for what happened with Lisa.
>Good, so you admit your argument is based on nothing.
No, I'm saying your argument that Brad is the best is based on nothing. You have no idea what Buddy's life would've looked like raised by someone else and yet you presume Brad is the best.
Is it a good game tho
>>340618096
What part of "all the people you never met or barely talked to" don't you understand?
![215d9846cd52d629620e3b3bff8de3f2[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Xamdo1h.png "215d9846cd52d629620e3b3bff8de3f2[1]")
>>340618707
>But that's what he wanted to do. How was it a sacrifice when Buddy was the only thing that gave Brad's life meaning? There were no hopes and dreams he was giving up on when he decided to raise her, instead he pinned all his hopes and dreams on her.
Read the entire sentence.
>That's a presumption. Plenty of people turn out just fine, or even exemplary, despite terrible parenting. And if anything it's pretty clear during the Joyful that Buddy was fucked up in the head, at least partially from Brad's parenting.
She didn't have terrible parenting, pic related. I'm not saying Brad is perfect by any means, him being authoritarian and having her kill some guy is bound to have bad affects.
>Old enough had nothing to do with it.
Read the entire sentence
>Except he did exactly the opposite. Her entire life she was locked up and fully dependent, with very few trips outside of her cave.
Except when she leaves she defeats the top people on The List by herself and ends up independent because she realizes Brad was right about people wanting to use her.
>In part because Brad insisted on raising her himself. He could've gone out and found other people to raise her better than himself, but he decided from the start he wanted to be that person because it was his opportunity to make up for what happened with Lisa.
No one we meet besides Rando (who had ulterior motives) would actually be a better parent. It's an observation, not a presumption. The entire game is full of fucking psychopaths and perverts to the point that it was even in the fucking game trailer and description. This point is meaningless anyways, because my main point is that considering Olathe as it was after the White Flash, Brad was not a bad parent.
>You have no idea what Buddy's life would've looked like raised by someone else and yet you presume Brad is the best.
It's not a presumption, it's an observation.
>>340618229
Well, he is pretty bad at spelling.
>>340618809
Point to me a character besides Rando or Mr Beautiful who would fit the job description.
NEVER EVER
>>340596804
Supreme taste.
>>340619586
Who was that one guy at the ending of Lisa the First?
>>340606213
>cleared the roulette with no deaths on my first run
>>340601519
>that entire fucking island
easily the weirdest segment of the game
>>340608561
>and a lot of them fought back
The nerve! They should've just laid down under the tracks.
Was a pleasant surprise
