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What went wrong?
The people who were able to poop-sock vanilla WoW 12 years ago have grown up and don't have time for that any more. Wildstar catered to a now very niche market of NEETs and (un)surprisingly that's not feasible long-term.
MMOs are dead
MMO
For me, it was that the leveling quests were horribly uninteresting. That and all you do is watch the floor
>>340585124
if all you do is react to telegraphs, you will die.
>>340584638
>>340584906
This meme needs to die.
>>340584580
>have grown up and don't have time for that any more
Nost kind of proves that wrong
>>340585390
Name a good MMO
Ugly art style, MMO fans are desperate for anything that isn't WoW but this game tried to be complete directly with WoW, failed to even do what WoW did.
>>340585442
how does that disprove his point?
>>340585442
So then why would they play the MMO that tried to capture the feel of vanilla WoW when they can just play vanilla WoW?
>>340585445
Dragon Quest X. That's why you can't play it.
>>340584638
This.
That market is dead. ASSFAGGOTS popularity killed MMOs. Why grind levels for days and have to seek out groups, worry about itemization, etc when a round of ASSFAGGOTS can give all of that in 20 minutes.
Wildstar screwed the pooch. Bland leveling with really only one path of quests to level in, a ridiculous attunement process, which attracts very few people in this post-WoW world, and a world devoid of solid lore.
Housing was cool, and crafting was a breath of fresh air, but there's no way for a MMO to keep peoples' attention anymore.
>>340585634
DQX is boring as shit and can barely count as an MMO
SEfags seriously have a problem
artstyle and humor
endgame in general
I'm not a fan of sci-fi personally as well
Carbine's official UI had numerous broken elements that crash your performance if you don't flush it regularly every 10-15 minutes (apparently the UI guy expected modders to do his job for him?)
Poor optimization
Poor class balance
Bugs
Actually believing WoWtards wanted a Vanilla WoW Experience again. Everything looks rosier through nostalgia-tinted glasses. Turns out bullshit mechanics and bullshit attunement and bullshit 40 mans are awful, it's just people's perception that they were fine back then. Shit, even before WoW, EQ had people telling the devs enough with the fucking bullshit attunements and fucking bullshit 80-man raids.
>>340585741
>That market is dead. ASSFAGGOTS popularity killed MMOs. Why grind levels for days and have to seek out groups, worry about itemization, etc when a round of ASSFAGGOTS can give all of that in 20 minutes.
Finally someone else realized this. Why spend 100 hours playing a shitty PvE story just to get to end game group raiding. When a shitty MOBA is basically that group based raid.
Note, I hate raids and MOBAs. Just pointing out why its obvious that MOBAs overtook MMOs.
Literally no marketing, devs were too slow to fix the severe performance problems
>tfw every boss is a casual check
>>340585851
>DQX is boring as shit and can barely count as an MMO
You realize you just described all MMO, right? But I doubt you even played it and just watched a couple minutes of the game on youtube. So we can safely disregard your view.
>wanted to try out the female robots
>battle stance animations from the class previews looked like shit
Oh well.
>>340585442
How much money did Nost make? Where are they now? Shut down. Fuck off.
>>340582401
The shit artstyle.
Everything about it is an eyesore.
>>340586130
That's why I said name one good MMO. The genre is shit and the entire DQ franchise is braindead garbage.
>>340585442
Nost still doesn't have that many people playing it. Not enough people playing it to where if it was a brand new game it would turn a profit.
How can people play games on such low settings?
>>340582401
Appeal to a niche market.
Female model fiasco on a very touchy time.
No way to rake in casual bux.
Sub in a f2p p2w market.
Mediocre character creator.
Took too much from WoW, even that bad.
Horrible advertisement.
PvP was/is(?) a clusterfuck.
All that aside I enjoyed leveling.
>>340586590
>Female model fiasco
In hindsight, there really was nothing to be worried about.
>>340582401
They made an MMORPG and not just a movie.
>>340585583
Because so many ex-vanilla players sunk a lot of time into Nost
>>340585585
His point was people have grown up and moved on from vanilla but there are still many vanilla players still around but they only want WoW and not Wildstar
>>340586215
Not sure what your point is. Mine was there were a lot of people playing it who were former Vanilla players
>>340586427
Yes and also they would rather stick with WoW
>>340585390
But they're right though. Remember the "I WANT SWG AGAIN! The MMO genre will be good again if developers start making sandboxes again! WANT SANDBOXES MMOS!!!" meme? Yet these faggots will never tell you that all through 2009- 2013 devs have been pumping out sandbox games like a factory. Let me give you a few examples.
Mortal Online
Xsyon
Darkfall
The Repopulation
Dragon's Prophet
Earthrise
MMO scum nuggets don't know what they want, they are worse than women with the frothing at the mouth part. There will never be a good MMO. Face it, this genre is dead.
>>340582401
NOT
ENOUGH
PORN
>>340586873
The original point was that vanilla-fagging is not feasible from a financial standpoint. My point was to confirm this as Nost was only populated since it was free and now it no longer exists.
>>340586976
I thought Wildstar was also free
>>340587047
it wasn't at first. a lot of people seem to not even want to try wildstar on principle.
Nexon got ahold of the project and kicked it out the door half a year early because they wanted $$$ ASAP.
This led to godawful optimization and the worst PvP netcode in -existence-.
Excellent homebuilding system, though. Really great.
Medic a bes
>>340582401
NCsoft were retarded and thought it would be a good Idea to delay localizing BnS for this shit
>>340587357
BnS is shit though.
>>340582401
They catered to a niche genre that appeals to no one but grandpas and the overly nerdy dorks. The Flash Gordon / Buck Rogers space-age atompunk where instead of exploring space you explore alien planets its it inner core.
The graphics and writing really put me off. The leveling up messages actually made me not look forward to leveling up.
So, is Wildstar worth my time or not?How about Skyforge?Black Desert?
>>340587580
fucking this.
everyone knows that fantasy, cyberpunk and grimdark scifi is where its at. who gives a fuck about all this shit. I'm fine with being given what we already know. at least it makes going through the world much more identifiable and easy.
Decreased breast size, hips and butts on female characters.
I play games for the good looking women, not to act like a hurr stronk powerful man with m00gic
>>340589805
>I don't know what I'm talking about
They marketed as a return to traditional MMOs when it was a themepark MMO lacking in RPG aspects that was just harder than the casual shitfest that is WoW
Harder WoW that is poorly optimized isnt gonna grab much attention. Yes, the difficulty was nice but it still wasnt a good MMO
>>340585851
>DQX
>boring
>literally plays like a faster DQ with MMO elements
just off urself
How many more people are playing now that it is on Steam?
Was going to try to get back into it like a month or two ago but the capital city on Exile side was a ghost town.
>>340589805
youre so wrong it hurts. Big tits and ass with small waistlines is what the game is full of
>>340588086
>So, is Wildstar worth my time or not?
nah
>How about Skyforge?
nah
>Black Desert?
I liked itbut nah
>>340589805
They literally didn't do this.
>>340590353
might grab some normies but Idk
Id play it on the side if my computer could tolerate it
Give me a good mmo to play lads. Something, anything.
Going to give it a try because im so bored. I'm not expecting much.
The furry bitches with them huge tits gets me rock hard so I'm hoping my dick will carry me through the boredom.
>>340590353
There has been an increase of people on, but idk if it will stay that way.
>>340590052
kaffir
>>340590621
What have you already played?
remember when the future looked so bright?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fotT6iVi-cg
>>340591128
No.
Anyone with half a brain knew that the game wouldn't last.
>>340591005
Recently? Nothing. Last thing I played was ffxiv and TOR which were both months ago.
>>340590115
no, they marketed it on having a cool atmosphere and story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqymDgkv4oE
but in the actual game there was none of that
>>340590621
>good
>MMO
pick one
>>340591332
actually, they marketed it as being hardcore and not for casuals.
>>340591332
Nothing about that story is super special
the atmosphere was fine, it wasnt generic but atmosphere cant carry a game
>>340586365
>The genre is shit
True.
>and the entire DQ franchise is braindead garbage.
Whoa, calm down there boy! Dragon Quest isn't popular in your country,
>>340590052
>>340590361
>>340590405
You lie, there was a thread about it long ago, go look it up at the archive.
>>340591408
and it was actually pretty brutal. The reason the attunement was such a pain was for a long time most people couldnt do the dungeon runs needed.
Its just that challenge alone wont carry an MMO, and especially not get people to drop their current MMO
>>340591379
MMO.
>>340591703
>I get all my info from /v/
yeah, I remember when people got pissed because they altered the models. and then they added body presets. so again, you don't know what you're talking about. stop acting like you do just because you read some shitposts 2 years ago.
I only remember that the difficulty in the dungeons after a certain part were fucking crazy, so much shit to dodge, if ur internet is shit u are fucked
>visit an rpfag's house
>it's a bar
every
fucking
time
why are all the classes so fucking shit?
>>340591920
No matter how mad you get, you won't get people to play your shitty game.
>>340592060
>mfw watching raid geared people die to lasers on mordechai
get carried through that, motherfucker.
>>340591742
WoW
>>340586215
http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44218
>>340592247
_ ____ __ ____ ____ ____!
>>340592247
>u-u mad?
Time to put another notch in the 'internet arguments won' column.
>>340584580
>The people who were able to poop-sock vanilla WoW 12 years ago have grown up
I don't understand this, shouldn't there be a new generation of poop-sockers?
>>340592406
So they got sat at the table then showed the door?
Woop.
>>340590621
i've been playing eso recently and it aint that bad if you can overlook handful of flaws.
>>340592721
they're playing lol.
So aside from housing, this game is worse than Tera in every aspect?
>>340592771
you can say that about any mmo.
>>340582401
People mistook vanilla WoW's 'hardcore' aspect as difficulty rather than the tedium it was in reality.
Running Maraudon for hours every day to get poison resistance gear was not difficult.
Grinding reputation for hours every day was not difficult.
Running BRD to get Molten Core attunement was not difficult.
Problem was, the Wildstar devs listened to these people and made the game legit difficult. The folks with the rose tinted specs on naturally bailed after realizing mistakes were made.
>>340592869
>see her in the trailer
>see her in game
Appealed too much to casuals
Didn't start off f2p, lost the hype when it finally did
>>340590621
osrs
>>340592771
I've seen videos of it, doesn't look that bad honestly.
>>>>>>>>subscription fees
>>340582401
Pseudo-anime games are doomed to fail
>>340582401
>What went wrong?
We wanted Blade & Soul, they gave us WildStar. I will never play this shit...ever. FUck them for making us wait.
>>340593149
Agreed. They made her tits too big.
>>340593154
>wildstar
>Appealed too much to casuals
???
>>340582401
>play free trial
>every other quest/challenge i try to complete is bugged
>play again when it goes f2p
>everything is still bugged
>>340593045
Wildstar's attunement grind was way more convulated and needlessly grindy than any attunement was in vanilla WoW, even hydraxian waterlords rep.
>>340593341
>enemy is going to do an attack
>"oh man I better try to predict the hitbox and where it's going to land and-"
>literally just look at the floor and walk away
That was the biggest thing they pushed for this shit game and it ruined any kind of expectation of mine that it was going to be a good game
>>340593625
they used that system to have some pretty spectacular encounter design
it's basically the only good thing about the game
>>340593625
You are so fucking stupid it hurts
I play this game just for the housing to be honest
>>340593625
the dungeons and raids use telegraphs to great effect. no shit open world mobs have simple attacks. the harder content is where the challenge is.
>>340593771
nice post
>>340593747
>the only good thing about the game
if that's "the only good thing" about it, then boy, I'm glad I stayed far away from this pile of shit
>>340592721
That generation of NEETs were a byproduct of the recession. Hopefully this generation wont have the same problems.
>>340593251
They reduced them, and yet the game was still a bust.
>>340593930
by "it" i mean the spectacular encounter design
Dont know about anyone else but this game absolutely fries my CPU on anything but low settings
>>340591703
I was there when it happened, you have wrong info. They changed the breast size down a good chunk but left the hips/ass alone. Then they ended up adding multiple body types
fuck-ugly art style
terrible leveling
terrible grouping system
endgame was alright but way overrated
terrible core combat
welp
>>340593045
Difficulty is fine. People loved the BC heroics for example.
What people do not like are speed runs. There is a reason barely anyone on WoW does CM's. Speedruns are the most autistic thing I can think of.
Wildstar decieded that all raiding was locked behind speed runs. All decent loot had to come from gold rankings, which you could only get from speed running as well.
It was fucking retarded, and they deserved to fail for doing something so brain numbingly stupid.
>>340582401
what the fuck is this game it looks like an anime pixar movie
i want it
It released today and I don't even see it in the top 100 Steam games. Sad.
>>340594302
How new are you?
jesus christ i wish i could afford a good laptop :(
anyone know any PCs that can match PS4 power but are the same size or smaller
i walk 2 miles for good internet
ps4 is already a pain in the ass
>>340582401
>Boring, non-existent story.
>Zero effort put into quest and zone plots.
>Generic, completely forgettable zones.
>Slow, dull combat mechanics that tried to use gratuitous SFX to hide how clunky and dated the combat was.
>Unbelievably bad dungeons that lacked coherent level design, plot, reward etc.
>PvP instances and gameplay clearly had zero testing and no effort was made to stop it from being zerg on zerg.
Only good thing about the game was the timed challenges and the house building. Absolutely everything else was inferior to WoW and GW2.
>>340594442
>Unbelievably bad dungeons
opinion discarded.
>>340594269
But having timers is the only way to punish dying that doesnt also punish well done recovery from death
>NO NEGATIVE OPINIONS ALLOWED
CENSOR
CENSOR
CENSOR
CENSOR
CENSOR
>>340594630
>MUH FREEZE PEACH
fuck off
>>340582401
the devs are incompetent and they still haven't got better problems that have been in the game since launch like bad optimization are still there
>>340582401
Well the game is free to play now, so I might as well check it out and see if its enjoyable or not.
>>340594269
>Difficulty is fine. People loved the BC heroics for example.
Agreed, but this is why I mentioned vanilla only. There was nothing that jumps out to me as difficult with vanilla outside some of the bosses of the 40mans, then again it's been a long fucking time so I'm probably forgetting something.
But yeah running heroics on BC when CC and all that shit were required, finding a good group of players on your server and just mastering those runs was great. Fucking Blizzard and fucking cross realm bullshit. What a waste.
>>340582401
Dungeons were fun enough from what I saw but everything else was boring. I gave it an honest try and liked it enough for what it was, but it was just boring.
>>340586517
you have no choice because the game runs like shit even though it looks lightly better than current wow
>>340594564
No, it double punishes dying.
Normally you lose the amount of time the death take, causing the run to take longer, and making you less efficient. Those who are good can gear up faster as they can do more content in a single day.
A single death in wildstar would effectively waste the entire run, negating all previous effort that was put in.
Either way it did not matter, in W*, everyone started glitching the fuck out of stuff to save time, ruining the entire dungeons. Spending 2 mins at the start jumping into a wall so you can get past a certain area, then exiting and restarting if it did not work is stupid.
Exiting and restarting depending on the RNG events that popped in dungeons is stupid.
Speed runs are for faggots. The fact you are defending them is pretty gay.
>>340586517
By growing up with enough to get by.
The reason frame drops in games don't affect me much is because I grew up playing WoW on toasters so my frame rate would at most reach 20fps
>>340594564
wow has scaling difficulty and mutators now
cant get that next tier because you literally get instant killed? get better, you have all week.
>>340594850
vanilla dungeons were difficult at the appropriate gear level, later patches they were easy to outgear
>>340594985
No, a wipe in the wildstar dungeons fucked the entire run. A death was recoverable
>devs break something every patch
>when they fix the broken thing they break 5 other things
this personally is what killed the game for me outside of the game running like shit
>>340595182
How about bad RNG on events? Swordmaidens for example.
Speedruns are for autists bro.
>>340595282
You never played the game anyway, you erp'ing faggot.
>>340594269
Some speed runs can be okay.
I enjoyed ZA bear runs but it was a huge retard/casual check and required basic competence which most people lack(ed). It required two components:
>have the gear to be useful (no, not insanely overgeared like casuals back then and now believe)
>pay the smallest modicum of attention
And good goddamn almighty son of a bitch people could NOT follow these two teensy little rules. You could even suffer one death and still clear a bear run but it was not manageable if your group had legitimately stupid players.
>>340586083
Doing this on veteran was waay worse. Wildstar really is the only truly difficult MMO on the market.
>>340595367
played it for a year senpai, dont get mad because the people who make this game find a way to kill it at every turn
How do I make a cozy house?
>>340587357
In the end it doesn't matter, that localization ruins the fun of BnS
>>340595395
Is getting the bear the only way to get into raids? Is getting the bear the only way to get gear that is better than crafted other than raiding? Is there any point in finishing the dungeon when you are 90% done and you realize you are not going to get the bear?
You do not know how stupid W*'s speedruns were.
>>340595562
>I erp'd for a year
good for you. fuck off back to ffxiv now.
>>340595628
>You do not know how stupid W*'s speedruns were.
Oh sure you're probably right. I never played enough of Wildstar to experience that. I was speaking in general of MMOs, not only about Wildstar. Sorry.
>>340594269
doing heroic dungeons in wildstar was honestly a nightmare for getting attunement you had 30 minutes for clearing the dungeon and if a single person died you had to start all over again,usually if someone fucked up the whole group just quit
>>340595470
>waay worse
Don't you mean waay more fun?
>>340595628
>wahhhh Im too shit why cant I progress
end yourself
MMOs are dead because they have too much shit on screen. Think about it.
Now you know.
>>340595687
what makes you think i erp anon and dont give me some bullshit answer
>>340595860
both the aurin in that pic erp, don't try to bullshit me faggot.
>>340595843
Nope, I was raid attuned. How do you think I know so much about wildstar?
>>340595976
prove it faggot
>>340595858
>too much shit on screen.
ASSFAGGOTS=particle shower
Think about it. You don't know shit.
At least the hips and asses in the game were on point
>>340595607
follow your dreams
>>340582401
It proves people who say, "I want a game like vanilla WoW!" are full of shit, and they just want to play vanilla WoW
They have no interest in evolving vanilla WoW's ideas and moving them forwards, they just want to play vanilla WoW and that Blizzard was 100% justified and fully vindicated for beating WoW into the shitty state its in, because people just came for warcraft and didn't give a fuck about what the game was actually like
And so those people are still around, and now they'll get the casuals who are raping the genre too, and then the facebook crowd, and then the movie crowd, etc etc and on and on
Wildstar just proves that people came for warcraft and nothing else
>>340585445
GW2, seriously.
>>340596008
it's not like I have logs to post. I'm not a degenerate who pretend fucks in online games.
>>340582401
Instancing. There's no point in having player housing if it's all instanced.
Also this. >>340584638 MMO's are dead, and data mining meta killed them
>>340596049
I meant to say too much shit to care about on screen. Assfaggots need only to press four buttons on casual level and have nice visuals. MMOs have a thousand skills and commands and most of time clusterfuck of visuals.
>>340596161
>vanilla wow was all about speedruns
No
>>340596240
>i-i can't prove anything better just call him names
>>340586891
I was really excited for another sandbox, but I'd never heard of most of those, and the ones I did had almost no players.
It's kinda a paradox. Nobody wants to play these lesser known MMO's because there aren't enough players.
>3rd most popular release with zero fanfare
SAVED
Cleared Nidhogg EX yet, /v/?
>>340582401
To be perfectly honest? Having no ability to change the color of eyebrows was just too distracting right from the get-go, It's the reason I don't play certain races in WoW at all, and it made me disatisfied with any race I was actually interested in playing in wildstar
>>340596171
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Kill yourself. Fuck Gw2 and Fuck Anet. You thought I was asleep? No, I'm always watching and waiting for faggots like you.
>>340582401
Well her tits look fine.
But that face is atrocious.
>>340596546
So done with Anet's horse shit. None of you have any idea how unbelievably mad I am.
>>340596546
didn't they fuck up the expansion some how while also making you pay new game price for it
>>340596289
It really ain't that. Usually there aren't many skills needed during combat, and even if there were many they are very easily memorized and almost become like your own reflexes. If that is too hard for a casual, then these casuals should get their memory tested. That leaves only the boss mechanics to worry about.
>>340596368
shut up niari.
or is it part?
mish?
all you aurin looked the same. fucking erp baiting faggots.
>>340596654
I was gonna ask if you had frogbro's collage.FUCK YEAH SEAKING
>>340596546
>Most of that picture is about the story-related bullshit
Literally no one talks about that shit in-game. I'm pretty sure most of the player base completely forgot it exists. I fucking hate the employees in your picture as much as the next person, but they are a bunch of "literally whos" in the big picture.
>>340596760
2nd one i dont erp though faggot
>>340596654
>combat is bad
Stopped reading there.
>>340582401
full priced game + subscription fee
going f2p being packaged with casualizing the shit out of the game
>>340596864
>i dont erp though
that's not what I heard.
>>340597006
from who
>>340596714
Only delivered half the promised content.
Arguably P2W new specs, far from side grades.
Fucking off with everyone's money making three legendaries saying "we cant make anymore" while loading the cash shop with flashy new shit.
"Esports" that were 15 min games without a single kill.
Artificial inflation
Fucking with microtransactions
Destroying old content (fixed now but still wtf)
Atomically raping lore
REVANOOT FOLDED ONE MIILLION TIMES
No fucking balance
Half assed raids
>>340596981
>casualizing the shit out of the game
group content is just as challenging as it's ever been.
If you play chua you should seriously commit suicide.
>>340597060
didn't know it was that bad,i honestly still regret buying the game and i got tired of it around 40, i forced my self to get to 80 after that and uninstalled it
>>340597060
>No fucking balance
Aside from that, nothing else you said is false, but you are sorely exaggerating the impact those things have on the overall game.
>>340597283
>only got to mid 20s or so
Luckily I bought it on sale but that's still $20 I regret.
>>340594682
This is such a stupid way to argue against whats being said
>Booted up the game
>The character creation was broken
Nice game, really well put together.
>>340597416
get used to carbine fucking everything up
>>340596739
The problem I have with every mmo I start is that they overwhelm me with information right from start. There's a hundred npcs, a hundred quests to read through, players going around with all sorts of customization, monsters each with their unique description and drops, changing your equipes, aparence and skills every 15 min. And this is all in the first hour. I understand mmo is all about a world, but honestly it feels like being dropped in an ocean without knowing how to swim yet.
>>340597416
That was my experience. Some fucking goat and a robot thing were blocking my character so I couldn't customize it. Reloading three times seemed to fix it but that was only the beginning...
It has the exact same shitty overdone and busy UI as any Korean MMO I played. WHY is that fucking UI so common?
seriously why are all the classes so bland?
>have guns, shoot
>have a sword swing it
>have a medigun-heal
not even WoW which is where most of these games use as a base for their classes is so bland
hell atleast GW2 tried mixing it up a bit
>>340597646
you can get ui addons if you want, also i hear the base game ui is what makes the game run so bad
>>340597283
I forgot WvW, still undead.
>>340597343
8/9 classes are "meta" in pvp atm as I've been told. However when I was playing HALF the fucking classes were trash. The meta is either over-centralized on burst damage or bunkers, never a nice mix to solidify roles. I cannot speak on PvE as I rarely did any bar the raids.
>>340582401
The combat tries so hard to be different that it's really just boring telegraphs aren't new or unique.
Also this might be a personal thing but combat between classes doesn't 'feel' different like compared to wow where pretty much everything builder/spender/proc/cd if you boil it down at least classes feel different. In wildstar its just paint the bad guys blue and don't stand in the red.
It's also because people don't actually want vanilla WoW because vanilla WoW was actually mechanically and unbalanced shitty mess.
They want to feeling of playing an mmo for the first time where everything wasn't data mined 4 months in advance, every quest didn't have a wiki page explaining exactly what to do and people want to feel like they did theorycrafting with their class (even if they didn't). Wildstar though people actually though grinds were fun or attuments were a good mechanic instead of just shitposters on reddit/mmochampion,/v/ nostalgia jerking.
>>340597750
>have a medigun-heal
ho fuck nigga do you not know shit about medic.
>>340582401
Two things killed it for me after release - the boring as fuck attunement grind and the myriad technical problems which made the game run like shit. The UI had a memory leak for fucks sake.
Also
>a post-WoW MMO not having a seamless world with an absolute minimum of loading screens
As much as it may be hated, WoW set the standard for quality in this regard.
>>340597850
>I played to level 7 so I know everything about the game
Play a spellslinger then a warrior and tell me they feel the same, you donut.
>>340597646
I've Reloaded about six times now and I get the same issues
1) A goat and random character model are blocking the customization screen
2) Every time either some Dominion characters are missing or all of them are
3) When I change genders not all of the characters change, some some are stuck male and some are stuck female.
Honestly how do you fuck up so bad, that the first bad impression you give is a character creation screen that doesn't even work?
>>340586215
Oh look, A Wildstar furfag angry that more people want to play Vanilla WoW than Wildstar
>>340598110
I havent had any issue starting, maybe its just you anon
>>340598110
game works for me :^)
>>340597992
I levelled a ESPer and stalker to max, warrior and engineer to 40somthings and a medic and SS to maybe 20ish before they bored me.
If you feel I'm wrong please enlighten me to how the classes 'feel' different beyond being melee and ranged.
>>340582401
I forgot Wildstar existed.
>>340582401
housing only good thing
everyone complaining about the difficulty are fucking scrubs
and this>>340584638
>>340596546
>>340596654
>these people are idolized by Diablo 2 fans
>>340598204
>>340598205
No, I've had this happen to me as well. It's not just that Anon. I didn't even know Dominion characters existed until my character screen decided to work. It's a clusterfuck.
It takes a special kind of ineptitude if your big Steam launch has a buggy character creation screen.
Biggest issue it think is that it fell into the same trap of trying to be the Wow-killer instead of making it's own identity.
Pretty there are only 3-4 MMOs worth a damn nowadays. WoW (the OG MMO), FFXIV (For the FF audience + people who are sick of WoW), TERA (No sub fee means you can go on-and-off with no regrets and it's particularly good for RP/ERP, less hardcore in general) and EVE (If you want something completely different and yet, still the same underneath.)
>>340597215
>favorite race of any mmo is the WoW goblins
>small race so it looks like you run faster but you dont
>jews
>thieves and liars
>fucking dick exploding sexy shortstack women with great accents
When i played FF14 i instantly made a potato
>also jews, going good
>somewhat of thieves and liars, i could at least pick rogue class
>nobody talks, aw fuck
>fucking potatoes
>look "cute" instead of "whore" no matter what glamour i pick
oh well whats this wildstar then, yeah they have these chua things
>no females
how do you instantly fuck something up this hard?
>>340598734
None of those games are good
>WoW is the OG MMO
Im so disgusted with your post words cannot describe it
>>340597750
if you can shoot, you can also heal
Press B
>>340582401
If you've played one you've played them all. that's the big problem.
Way back when there were quite a few different mmo's doing blatantly different things. Matrix online, city of heroes, star wars galaxies, world of warcraft, ragnarok online. these all felt very different and had their absolute own identity, not only in aesthetic but in game mechanics. unfortunately for most of them, they were outshone by world of warcraft, which took reign as supreme mmo. at the time it was all about community, so when there was barely any, and barely any money coming in, they shut em down. code locked away never to be played ever again.
After world of warcraft won the big mmo war, literally every mmo since just tried to be what it was, and every single one of them fail and fall into obscurity. age of conan, warhammer online, and soon to be swtor and wildstar. fuck there have been even more but they were here and gone in the blink of an eye i can't even fucking remember. i remember people saying tabula rasa did some cool stuff, but released right around the peak of WoW's popularity. there was no way it was gonna survive.
i'd love to see all the classics make a comeback for a while. i'd love to play city of heroes again. but all these games will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
>>340594682
>knocking free speech
spotted the north korean.
>>340582401
I'm drunk and looking for some shit mmo to fill this moment of blissful inebriation. Just uninstalled wildstar because of how many fucking "addon failures" and server disconnects.
Aura Kingdom is dead because nvidia driver issues, but I need something in that super-casual area to fill these times I'm too drunk to actually focus on the game.
>>340599161
>DON'T CENSOR MY SHITPOSTING
ok
>>340582401
People thought they wanted it, turns out they didn't.
>>340599050
He's right though. It's like saying The Beatles were the original rock band.
>>340599292
no that was dragonforce
>>340599229
>completely drunk?
i always fire up a game ofINSERT MOBA OF CHOICE
besides a new mmo would take too long to download
i personally play heroes of the storm completely double vision drunk because i dont have to run back to a shop and stare at a shop screen and think about how much money i have.
you could always try Tree of Savior i hear its completely mindless
>tfw no new decent mmorpg with decent sized playerbase
hurts a little bit
>>340582401
Once I reached party-only content, I stopped. There were hardly enough players to even pick up a ragtag group of 4 or 5. Also all the quests are the same.
>>340599661
I have HotS, but I like having a goal to work towards, and HotS quest system of having to play X style of character is annoying to me, doubly when I'm drunk. I can buckle down and do the quests every 3 days becuase it's an itch to scratch, but I need something more on-the-fly.
A classic mmo idea of "I'll just do this dungeon/quest and get another level" is what I need. I only say mmo because they're more likely to have easy shit to do with the same idea of flash over substance combat/mechanics.
>>340596546
>Goobergoyim.
I don't give a fuck about /pol/s political agenda, the PvP is the best in the genre and everyone I've ever introduced to it has agreed.
You faggots cry about gameplay > story all the time, but when it comes to push you're gonna write off an entire game for some insignificant NPC text that you'd never see, let alone read.
I feel sorry for you.
>>340582401
No lore to make me interested in the world like World of Warcraft had.
>>340600061
i got to max level in final fantasy drinking like a fucking fish the whole way through.
I did a little roleplay. Right at the start they ask you a few questions that actually dont mean anything. I answered "i wanted to be an adventurer to get rich" and just went on from there. My character did not give a single fuck about the story or the cutscenes. At first i would just skip the cutscenes but as i would get drunker i would just watch the whole thing pretending like my character did not give a single shit about what was going on. He would never react, never comment, never act, and since he was a lala most of the time he was barely in fucking frame.
It was fucking amazing. I loved every single second of it, just pretending like my character was just getting frustrated about having to stand around and watch people do things around him, all he wanted was to get fucking paid.
if it wasnt for alcohol i would seriously have never played that game.
>>340600721
Lazarin's story was pretty interesting IMO
>>340596654
Reads like it was written by someone who hasn't played the game tbqhwy, mate.
>>340600061
You know what's better than being forced to play X character?
Having to mulch cards for every other character in order to get cards to make your main actually work, then you have to win games as other characters for quests and that shit clogs up your 3-quest limit until you beat it.
Fuck you Hearthstone, I ain't playing Shaman.
>>340600805
Who?
>>340596546
>>340596654
This is barneyfag levels of autism holy shit.
>>340596546
>Fuck Gw2 and Fuck Anet.
And fuck NCSOFT, this is the game they killed CoH for.
>>340600983
or just play and have fun and do the brawl and then use your gold to get arenas
fuck getting "legendary" with some stupid net deck.
>>340597060
Pretty hyperbolic.
The only truth here is the legendary controversy. Doesn't seem to bother most people, nor myself, but it's still fucking retarded.
That said every single little patch since has been top fucking tier. Seems like ANet has started seriously cracking the whip.
>>340593747
I thought telegraphs were alright up until they started having ones that moved extensively or had large zones that weren't actually dangerous. Telegraphs are supposed to tell you where it's conclusively safe right now, they're not supposed to BE the fight mechanics.
>>340582401
Pay-to-play MMO about four years too late, with a brand new IP with no appeal other than the aesthetics of the universe (quasi-deamworks retrofuturism in concept, ps2 disney liscense game in execution).
By the time they realized that no one is going to buy a cow they love when they can get milk that they sort of like for free, it was too late.
>>340582401
>every fucking mmo out there
>make an alt
>start over
>gw2
>make an alt
>have everything expect for gear/bags
guild wars 2 spoiled me
>>340597982
i like attunement stuff like this
that's what i want
when the game went free to play they took that shit out and i lost interest
same thing with wow, the in-depth quests with a ton of lore behind them that gave you a feeling of achievement because they took time and effort to accomplish were phased out completely by WotLK and I gave zero shits about the game anymore.
>>340582401
your picture shows exactly what went wrong. pic fucking related.
the people who want a 'serious business' kind of mmo do not want a game full of purple haired girls with huge pixar eyes, fluffy tails and furry bunny ears.
the entire artstyle is a failure. everything is designed to be over-the-top, cutesy or quirky. that shit alienates everybody who values a somewhat believable and serious world.
>>340601191
i thought the telegraphs were stupid because they were all just the same red textures. In wow if a boss casts some stupid aoe thing its a circle of fel energy, a pool of water, FIRE, a ring outlined in runes, fucking rumbling earth, a dangerous looking tornado, SOMETHING OTHER THAN A RED FUCKING MARK ON THE FLOOR
FUCKING WOW CAN DO IT
>>340596546
>guild wars fans this is your mindset
Don't tell me you have an RSS feed too, huh?
>>340601236
Note that ESO fell into that same trap, the only difference being that they thought the strength of the IP would draw people in.
But then they took that IP and shit all over it, while at the same time making a bland, boring title that would have been great had it been released alongside Everquest 2.
Honestly? The shitty character creator killed it for me.
>>340600621
Blade & Soul objectively is the best PvP in the MMO genre, GW2 is just watered down and restricted to make it seem like a shitty moba with 8 buttons, it's more balanced sure but it's only balanced because its just rock paper scissors
>>340601290
>in-depth quests with a ton of lore
That's not what the Wildstar attunement grind was, though (at least not completely). If it had been, I might have kept at it.
There's no in-universe explanation for requiring silver medals from dungeons.
>>340601006
Mordesh scientist that caused Mordesh to turn into what they are now
>>340600621
>the PvP is the best in the genre
gw2 pvp is a moronic clusterfuck with zero depth
its such a huge step down from gw1 i have no idea how the fuck people can claim it is anything but trash
they said wed get vanilla wow
instead we got modern wow with obnoxious humor, artstyle, everything and bugs
>>340601898
>Blade & Soul objectively is the best PvP in the MMO genre
if you want nothing but 1v1 fights, play a fighting game.
>>340582401
Shit combat
Inconsequential tasks
>>340602101
This. Even speaking as someone who enjoys GW2 PvP, holy fuck is it a confusing mess - I have no idea how people take it seriously.
>>340593045
the game was not legit difficult. i was in enigma for the world first/only avatus 40 kill and then destroyed the 20 man and bounced. yea cleaving ele pairs and facerolling everything was real tough...i guess pre nerf fire/life was kinda fun though
>>340599292
The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as “the greatest or most significant or most influential” rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.
>>340602223
>obnoxious humor, artstyle
You're not kidding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6j04OGUpRI
pretty sure the censor bleep there is in-game.
>>340602256
But BnS has 3v3 pvp as well.
>>340602706
damn how are they able to handle that many players in an mmo
>>340602638
>some game designer thought this would be a good idea
what the fuck
no wonder the game is failing hard
>Not free-to-play with paid cosmetics
Come on, Koreans figured out the formula years ago.
>>340602768
Pretty easily.
>>340602101
So when I'm confused as shit and just spamming my skills I'm actually doing it right?
>>340602638
I blame Borderlands.
>>340601898
This isn't at all representative of the complexity of GW2 combat.
It is certainly not a rock paper scissors meme game, not in the slightest.
Although all unskilled players of any competitive game I've ever played has attempted to excuse their ineptitude with rock paper scissors meme posting.
I can't speak for Blade & Soul personally though, as the net code is utter trash, and subsequently - true to Korean grindcore MMO trend - cannot be played at any considerable distance from the servers. I'm glad you like it though, fucking tired of cunts who blanket shit on the genre.
>>340602838
>present tense of fail
Failed. the word you're looking for there is "failed." It failed the second they announced that they fucked up and were going f2p (which they released...like, two months later? three? longer?)
>>340602101
It seems this way to you as it is complex, with a very high skill ceiling relative to other MMOs.
You, unfortunately, are bad.
One great thing amongst many with the PvP is that beginners will get completely destroyed by adepts, regardless of build or stats.
Success leans heavily on player skill.
Which is why matchmaking is so very important.
>>340582401
Literally no fucking content. There was some brutally difficult pve content but in total there were like what, 2 raids and like 6 dungeons? PvP was complete fucking shit. Everyone used the exact same runes and the exact same abilities with the exact same spec because only one or two stats were good (if you play stalker or warrior or maybe even esper, you better get ready to stack dem Devastation runes for that sick crit rate + crit damage). Balance was a complete joke. PvP was a waste of time and you couldn't PvE unless you had a dedicated group of friends to run with. And other than those two, game had nothing else.
On the bright side, chilling inside the enemy faction's city and going on lowbie massacres was a ton of fun.
playing this stupid ass game again I guess
r8 my zombie waifu
>>340600983
I was an avid Magic player through my teenage/high school years, I can't fucking stand Hearthstone because it's so basic. I tried though, I really did, for my love of WoW crap and card games. I wish the Shadow Priest idea could work out.
>>340603392
>complex
>high skill ceiling
that's gw1 you're talking about. not the mindless button mashing orgy that is gw2.
>>340599147
Underrated post.
I'd love to see the game industry get stuck in a situation where MMO companies have to think outside the box again.
I was a lot younger and impressionable during SWG and CoH, so I'd probably be more critical of both games today, but they definitely had concepts and mechanics that need to be used more often.
CoH completely separating powers, costume looks, and stats all from each other still gets some use today, like Guild Wars with transmutation charges, but even there they try to get money out of you and you have to unlock the armor/weapon piece first. You're also limited to your armor class (heavy/medium/light)
The wide diversity of professions in SWG would probably be harder to pull off while keeping the game afloat, but I feel like the industry has a better grasp on what gamers are looking for than back then and some company could figure something out if they cared enough.
>>340603392
I'll agree there is some skill involved, but there are very beginner-friendly classes like Dragonhunter. All you do is trap spam and gg 90% of the time.
>Guild creation still locked behind subscriptions
>Circle Creation STILL locked behind subscriptions
Carbine needs to burn, goddamn
MMOs are a gimmick genre that relied partially on kids with too much free time
There's almost nothing other genres can't do better, and adding any depth would require people to have even more free time.
POSTING THE ONLY WORTHWHILE THING TO COME OUT OF THIS SHITTY GAME THEY CALLED WILDSTAR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzz9t5TLZ5E
THATS RIGHT, IT'S THEBOYZ
Can you access page 2 of the commodity exchange yet
>>340604770
Early GW2 did a pretty good job balancing limited time with depth. Even dungeons were short to begin with, even shorter these days since most of your party knows how to blow through them in record time.
But then the edgy new employees at Anet got put in the pilot seats and cranked out Ascended gear that takes forever to make, an open world event that takes an hour to complete (assuming you have a good map), and Raids that are essentially glorified boss fights that require ultimate minmaxing of stats, abilities, and player skill.
Anet had it right at first but then they fucked it up,
>>340605353
BOYZ
BOYZBOYZ
BOYZ
>>340605353
>TFW WAS IN WILDBOYZ
>GRIEFING THE FUCKING ATTUNEMENT QUEST ALL DAY EVERY DAY
>KILLING ANIMES
killing people with fall damage was the best thing in that game
>>340603525
>No content
The problem was the endgame content was locked behind such a wall that by the time you got any meaningful number to attune it was too late the game was dead.
You want a game with no content? GW2. Maybe the expansion changed that, but that means it took 3 bordering on 4 years to get endgame content. And took that much time to fix up all its colossal fuckups if the expansion wasn't shit on a shit cake.
>>340600621
I would be willing to accept the terrible story (and it's not insignificant NPC text - the first half of 0-80 is okay but the second half is veritably holding you at gunpoint to someone else's fanfiction. You become this bizarro world self insert inserted not to aggrandize your own story but rather to be hostage to an unbelievably terrible and irredeemable plot. Nobody will ever be able to defend GW2's story with a straight face.) if the gameplay and content was solid. FF14's merry band of retards pre heavensward were irritating (Waking sands & UPS man) yet the combat was if unimaginative very solid and straightforward. And it had so much content. Too much, even. From start to finish before heavensward gave you at least twice or even three or four times as much content as GW2.
GW2's combat is floaty as all hell, no sense of impact or momentum behind attacks. Their allergy to the holy trinity meant that every class ends up a milquetoast DPS with the same bland burns/blinds/ect.
>>340606251
>look up GW2 builds
>literally every build starts with some asshole saying get Berserker's gear
Wooow... DPS shit even for protection builds.
>>340582401
It was trying to dickride off of WoW's success right around the time that people were getting tired of wow and begging to move on so they weren't really looking to jump into another wow clone, and on then on top of that it didn't understand what made people play wow in the first place. The leveling was also complete shit, you can have the best endgame ever but if you're going to make players slog through leveling hating every minute of it not many are going to make it that far.
also
>oh **** cupcake, badass, radical etc.
Gonna look into this piece of shit again but only if you convince me which community is more retarded, the chua furries or the anime furries.
Same old MMO shit. Repetitive. Going to a new area and getting new quests feels more like a chore than anything else.
Unforgiving bosses. If anyone fucks up even slightly it could mean an entire team wipe.
PvP is a clusterfuck and favors those with better gear.
What do I pick if I want to ERP? Is it good for getting off at least?
>>340606817
Am I the only one that thought that the level-up narrator was kinda funny? I mean, the whole game is going for that pulpy 80s sci fi thing so it kinda fits.
>>340606916
its pulpy sci-fi as interpreted by the pEnGuIn Of DoOm who has never seen pulpy scifi
>>340582401
If they had designed Wildstar around a mouse look styled game (see Tera) instead of it's awkward button AoE and tab target / nameplate clicking single target hybrid system it would have been better.
Quit wildstar because servers were garbage and couldnt hit anything half the time
Quit gw2 because everything was RUN FULL BERSERKER OR GTFO aka so much for actual builds for classes
Both need to die
Wasn't this the game with the big-titted red-haired farm girl?
>>340606545
It's funny because I wreck Berserker's gear fags these days pretty easily after experimenting with different class/gear combinations. They don't really expect you to survive the first few hits, so they're screwed if they're bad enough to not have a backup plan, which happens a lot.
Hopefully the meta never changes because I love taking them off guard like that.
>>340608129
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn8648VGMKM
>>340607718
wildstar's combat is entirely aimed. I think there's only one skill on esper that's targeted and that's for healing.
>>340608293
Yeah, that's her.
>>340596451
>crea is out
woah
>>340608205
That's actually good to know. I may try to go for survivability over a few more DPS.
>>340596451
That's not really uprising it's a f2p mmo, tera jumps to the top of best selling every time it gets an update
>>340582401
>No end game
>Raids and even dungeons were borderline impossible
I quit when they buffed scorch and as a cool event it became a chore.It had an amazing aesthetic and the gameplay was solid thoughI'm a little nostalgic for it.
>>340582401
I saw it on steam, is it worth trying? It's seems Rachet and Clank: the MMO, and I love Rachet and Clank.
>>340582401
Mark Kern
>>340608612
>borderline impossible
git gud. nothing in the game is impossible, you just have to be willing to learn and not suck shit. if my guild of casuals can down ohmna then so can anyone else. just be willing to put in the time.
>>340605353
THERES NOT EVEN A PVP SERVER ANYMORE
YOU CANT EVEN KILL ANY FUKKING ANIMES ANYMORE
>>340582401
>start game for the first time
>severe trojan horse alert
>start game for the second time
>my old ncsoft account doesn't work
>servers not letting me make new one
>uninstall
i really wanted to at least try it but holy shit ncsoft just fucking hang yourselves already
>>340608892
THIS GUILD IS ABOUT MEMES
>>340608892
unbelievable
just shows you the real audience of this game
>>340609031
sounds more like a problem on your end.
>>340582401
shitty unoptimized game client
out of place announcer ruins any attempt at atmosphere
game starts off too slow. First dungeon is not encountered soon enough.
Pacing is too slow. Level grinding is the worst part of any MMO and wild* makes it the main feature.
Tracer replaced Kit Brinny in all of our hearts.
>>340609389
there's a dungeon at level 10 now.
>>340609157
>pvp fags beg people to try pvp
>steam roll new players
>cry when no one wants to play pvp
Man the saddest part about all this is. If they released first on steam, about 3 months AFTER when they planned to release with all the bugs ironed out.
This could have been the WoW killer.
guys
help me
OP qt makes me want to get back into pc gaming
but i can't afford it
how do i get affordable portable PC gaming
>>340610118
Work and build it yourself.
Man since I turned like.. 18. Money hasn't been an issue. Been living with parents ofcourse, but things like gaming PCs, or individual vidya games just don't seem like those 'big' save up for months/years type purchases.
Are you under 18?
>>340582401
I absolutely hate AoE indicators being on the ground all the fucking time, ARR has the same fucking problem
>>340596534
what game?
>>340610118
>portable PC gaming
>>340610241
no but i need something portable
and spending 1k instead of just buying more ps4 games is bullshit
ps4 is barely portable as is but a tower would be worse
>>340609932
might also be because you know telegraph online pvp is a clusterfuck
just like the whole game owned
>>340585741
Saying ANY mmo had solid lore is a bit of a stretch, at least WoW was consistent, kinda.
They at least made it look like they tried a few times.
![lily-allen-2014-05-billboard-650[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/N4HBIGL.jpg "lily-allen-2014-05-billboard-650[1]")
>>340609649
I won't be re-suckered.
It's f2p now and we all know f2p is p2w
>>340610508
>telegraph online pvp is a clusterfuck
not really. I used to do a lot of pvp before i got tired of the same handful of people just shitting on everyone and it's not hard to understand what's going on.
>>340610343
yarr m80, a pirate, that'll be what ya be lookin' forr.
1k on a PC that will last you longer then a console ain't that big of a purchase if you do the wrong thing and pirate all the games like i do. If i didnt do that i wouldnt be able to play anything.
>>340610118
>>340610343
What the fuck? Why does it need to be portable so fucking bad? What? You live in a warzone? Need to change locations every couple of days?
>>340610665
>p2w
do you know anything about wildstar f2p model? because I don't think you do.
>>340610672
stfu dumb retard go back to chua erping with yourself to keep wildstar general alive hey guys what up its me youmoukon popping into the gen to say wildstars a good game and im not just saying that because im an employee of the company by the way black desert online ROCKS too!
>>340610343
Well portable sucks.
Your tied to corporate cuckfuckery because they can put excessive margins on the parts and builds.
The logic still applies, pay 1.5k-2k get a sub-optimal gaming laptop. Be play modern games for a year or so. Then upgrade because you have overheating problems.
Why can't you just get a desktop like a decent human being anyway?
ps4 is a bit disgusting. I mean what if you've got an itch to design games? Or program? or do all the things that come with a computer?
That's why I hate consoles, they're so limited, they feel like you're pidgeonholed into being a 30 year old manchild with a child's income.
Whereas with a computer you can atleast have fun playing games and then alt tab to watch porn, or play the stock market or something.
>>340610665
>Look at all these p2w assfaggots out there
>>340610890
u ok m8?
Like any MMO with a budget produced today, they focused too much on metagame and getting the "MMO" tropes in that they forgot the most important part of an MMO is its gotta be immersive, open world, persistant online world, that is also fun.
>Daily quests
>End Game focus
>Grind based "progression"
>Solo friendly, group punishing/forcing
These are the cornerstones of a bad MMOs, a good MMO is first and for most about having a persistent online world to play with others, sadly too many new MMOs either ignore the fact that they're MMOs by focusing on a solo story driven campaign with the MMO tacked on (neo-WOW, TOR, FFXIV, GW2) or too much on a balanced metagame that they forget that the game has to be fun with friends to actually be a good MMO.
Wildstar is still sucessful thanks to f2p, which sadly will always be profitable in this day in age.
>>340611113
>Wildstar is still sucessful thanks to f2p
lolno. they give too much for free or make available without having to pay real money. you can get your account premium status with an item you can buy with in game currency.
>>340596546
the game is fucking garbage even ignoring all the sjw nonsense
the expansion pack shit only made it fuckign worse, god knows how
>>340610798
2 miles to get internet
neet life and parents are alt truthers who hate the internet. so i have fucking dsl with a 5gb cap
>>340610936
it doesn't have to be that small, just ps4 size or something.
and yeah i used to do blender before i got cockfucked by my laptop breaking
i bought a 300$ one to continue my writing but that was about it
ps4 at least has good games (bloodborne, gravity rush) and plays games about as well or better than my 1.2k laptop lol
>what went wrong
It's the worst MMO I've ever played. It had no redeeming qualities, and delivered on none of it's promises.
It's also the second ugliest game I've ever played next to Battleborn.
I quit after 3 weeks of playing, and never looked back for even a single moment.
>>340584638
MMOs are dead because people keep making shitty games.
/v/ will never give it a second chance after it's reboot, but ESO is the only playable MMO out there right now.
>>340584580
>The people who were able to poop-sock vanilla WoW 12 years ago
Why the fuck do people keep saying this, there is literally nothing in WS that is similar to vanilla WoW
>>340611439
>ESO is the only playable MMO
>>340611113
I don't think it is succesful though. I mean...
steam is telling me it has sub 1k players...
It's not Evolve level of dead just yet (which has a whopping 53 people playing).. but it's quickly approaching.
>>340611587
I don't think everyone is launching the game through steam.
>>340611439
>wildstar has no redeeming qualities
>eso is the only playable MMO
Hmmm....
>>340611387
That's pretty sad man.
You've gotta walk 2 miles to just get internet every day?
I'm.. I'm so sorry.. fuck.
:( you go get that ps4 buddy... you just do what you need to do. Itl'l all be alright:(
>>340611558
Ah fuck off, it's not even bait. If you haven't played it recently, you haven't played it at all.
Not that you rusty cunts actually care since you hate videogames.
>thread reminded me that I never tried this
>Download it
>Level up in the tutorial
>HOLY SH[BLEEP], YOU LEVELED UP!
>Exit game
What the fuck
downloading this. is the f2p model a scam? someone teach me how to navigate the shark infested f2p waters
Remove Chua and I'll play it again
>>340611775
no i mean i already have a ps4 lol
i tried wii u first but fuck that shit, never again. absolutely not. fuck jewtendo
>>340611720
Any /who statistics from people that play now?
>>340611867
Don't buy anything ever.
>>340611892
I dunno, if you've gotta walk 2miles to get internet, and have to sit in a public library or something then it's just not worth it.
The best part of laptop vidya is you can be in your underwear at 2am playing the mmo vidya. It's just not comfy if it's not like that.
>>340611898
/who only gives you the 50 nearest people, or something.
>>340611439
>ESO is the only playable MMO out there right now.
>>340612082
i go to our community center which is usually deserted save for 1-2 people who sit at their computers
some qt chick who plays wow and voicechats all the time too
>>340611818
>If you haven't played it recently, you haven't played it at all.
you could say the same about any mmo. eso isn't special.
>>340611439
>but ESO is the only playable MMO out there right now.
>>340612228
>>340612126
>>340611763
>>340611558
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FENky_jsG2o
>>340612289
> but ESO is the only playable MMO out there right now
>>340612289
the only reason I'm going to watch that is because it's a qt gril with an accent and I have nothing better to do
>>340612453
nvm, I couldn't understand a word she was saying.
>>340600621
>muh /pol/
I think most people on 4chan agrees that forcing your political agenda down the throat of a mmo is a shitty thing to do.
>>340612453
>Implying qt gril doesn't immediately make a game 10/10
do you even play weeb games
>>340602987
>tfw you will never play the first borderlands for the first time ever again
>>340582401
Pay to play MMO from an unknown company.
>>340612562
i honestly think most people dont give a fuck about this kind of shit as long as the game is good
>>340612691
you clearly don't remember the release
>enormous hype
>massive quantity of pre-orders
>servers overflooded on early-release, they had to add a bunch of new ones
>game went from probably a few million players to UTTERLY DEAD in less than a month
gee, I wonder if it had anything to do with the actual game
really is a mystery
big mordesh tiddies
>>340612872
>a few million players
lol nigga don't be retarded.
>>340612813
nah, you're wrong m8, you're just a cuck
>>340611558
desu ESO is pretty good these days famalam, it's easily one of the most enjoyable experiences I've had in a MMO, then again I'm an asocial fuck that like to run around harvesting, but for the single player aspect and lore it's great.
>>340613662
>for the single player aspect
>>340613662
>I like a massive multiplayer online rpg
>for the single player aspect
>>340611558
>>340611763
>>340612126
>>340612228
>>340612415
>I can't come with an actual argument, 'cause i don't have any idea what im talking about
kys
i wouldnt say its the only playable mmo, but its pretty damn good. It's pretty much singler player until lvl50 apart from couple dungeon quests, but after that you are fucked if don't make friends.
>>340613901
i of course meant that its single player as in you are not forced to play with others, but can if you want to.
>>340596714
Yep the only playable part of GW2 was WvWvW the "expansion" totally butchered it. They have since reverted back to what is was (old maps). I ended up getting a refund for it, the added PVE was shit, the only new thing really was gliding...
>>340613901
I played it until lvl 30. Then I stopped because it felt lonely as fuck.
>>340614019
>WvWvW
All I saw there was a giant pile of people following a commander blindly or 1-3 enemies camping for people who want to join them.
>was going to post in this thread earlier
>second I started thinking back to my experiences in Wildstar I had extreme diarrhea
not even kidding friends, my toilet looks like a battlefield. pretty much sums up my reaction to the game, though. had a lot of potential, made a lot of promises, and failed to deliver anything but a heaping pile of bullshit.
Did anyone play Skyforge? I honestly think it could've been the next big game if not for the egg on face fucking stupid ass monetization and progression system.
>amazing class design
>great combat and cool mechanics, Divine Form was cool as fuck.
>shit loads of content
>beautiful artstyle and environments
>lots of slutty outfits to get
>End game PvE was absolutely fantastic
>Pantheon Wars and PvP were a cool concept if they could ever get PvP balance worked out
I've actually played some great MMOs these last few years, but they've all been ruined by shit like that. This game had everything, if they could've just made a practical progression system. I don't get how devs these days make so many mistakes like this, and then let it ruin their game.
>>340614134
and that was the best bit
>>340614134
They did some server merging recently to make WvW more active. Low population servers got paired up with the high population servers. There's usually 1 map that's really busy with a queue, another that's busy enough but not quite full, and the other 2 are sparse but still with some decent action.
Note that the low population servers do still exist. They just share the WvW maps with another server now.
>>340594682
Yes, YES. Let the hate FLOW through you. It's really all you have anyway.
>>340612289
What pisses me off is that there is no in-game way of getting Crowns. It's B2P not F2P so you should at least have the option.
currenty downloading it, looks really good.Is it still emtpy even though it was released on steam?
>>340614686
I think it's a pretty practical system compared to a lot of the games I've been playing recently. I'd rather spend some bucks every once in a while for DLC than pay a subscription fee.
Here's what I did.
>bought game for $14 on a Dlgamer
>played a few weeks, hit level 50, got up to v100
>became interested in trying the DLCs, if only to check out the extra dungeons and raids
>bought a key for 2 months premium, $16
>gives you all the DLC for two months, and 3000 crowns to buy whichever permanently
There are links for this shit in the sticky on the /vg/ thread. I think the base game is up to $19 now though.
>>340594054
It didn't end friendo.
>>340615584
i want off mr bones wild ride
>>340611840
you get used to him
>>340611840
Yep the "humour" is really bad, when I played I turned off the stupid voice over.
>>340589805
>I play games for the good looking women
There actually are people like this. Wow.
>>340615019
There are only 1000~ extra players due to steam.
It's really quite sad. I wished this game would take off so much, but it just doesn't.
The game systems are really nice. At first it's a bit ADHD because you can't go anywhere without being bombarded with "CHASE THOSE RANDOM BUTTERFLIES FOR SOME SHIT".
but eventually if ya stick through for a bit it gets quite good.
Reading the quest logs makes it a bit better. Once you do the first dungeon youl'l never want to do another dungeon in another game again. It just feels so active and competitive.
The first boss of the first dungeon (level 10) took my first group like 5 tries to get down... and we weren't even going for any of the 'achievement' dungeon finishes.
>>340582401
>start on release
>play rogue or whatever its called
>get to max level
>play a single battleground
>never log in again
>>340614269
I fucking loved the fuck out of Skyforge, I couldn't remember why I stopped playing.
I re-installed it and I still love it's combat system, but NA server seems dead (probably because I'm low prestige).
Also it suddenly started disconnecting me. I'll go back at it tomorrow.
Pic is the guild or whatever it's called, I joined it right during release, there were only 3 people that had logged in the past month.
I wish Skyforge didn't scare people away with it's shit grinding caps.
>>340582401
Races locking you out of class choices, for one. Made me quit.
>>340611763
>tfw you will never enjoy Mega64 again cause they never make new content
Just kill me, lads.
I don't know anything about this game, but I'm glad it spawned some robot porn.
>>340618992
Way too little of it though...
>>340617339
Your groups were straight up retarded then.
You needed 2 maybe 3 interrupts max and just had to time them halfway decent to down bosses. Oh and avoid big red circles.
Trash packs werent creative either they just hit really hard to the point you couldnt pull any extra or you wiped because a tank got slapped for all their shit in less than a second.
Sometimes trash even had a caster with a long cast time spell with a big telegraph that needed an interrupt or your party would be hurt a little if they stood nearby.
Real fucking neato.
>>340619081
need to lower graphics even more on the left
Skyforge was that RU waifu game, right?
I think everybody dumped it after they had a fap and then noticed the gameplay was some massive turbo-grind.
>>340585445
EVE.
>>340596287
>data mining
>not just that everybody has already played WoW and that it's shit anyway after fucking up its metagames, right next to the fact that nobody gives a shit about leveling 10 more characters for every single MMO that comes out.. just to experience if the endgame is plausibly decent
No MMOs coming out even have solid PvE and PvP in the same game, much less an economy or any innovative features than any other (repetitive and probably content-less) theme park.
>>340585925
The gameplay is nothing like WoW though.
>almost 400 posts in
>nobody has posted best females yet
>>340586891
Nobody has ever heard of those. That argument might be relevant if they had.
Also, good luck proving any of those have decent gameplay, the core of the whole experience.
>>340582401
Back during the beta and launch, the game had numerous bugs and you had to do stupid shit with augments and what not. But even after updates made the game better, you still get the usual suspects going "It's just shittier version of WoW, play WoW instead" and "Oh yeah, it's buggy piece of shit"
>>340619081
>2004
>updated models and graphics
>>340591332
Haha, and the way that she actually looked in game.
>>340598298
So did the world.
>>340612289
Man, I don't know what it is with bitches and Zelda, Elders Scrolls and LoTR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg6YaqD-QUg
>>340582401
DELETE THIS FUCKING DOWNLOAD THE GAME YOU IDIOTS ITS ON STEAM NOW
>>340608579
>Check out Tera now that it was mentioned
>New class Ninja
>Elin only
Why do I upkeep the hope of ever getting new class for Popori
>>340614269
Skyforge died because it was released in that short little time frame in 2015 of August - October where MMOs were getting new updates like fucking crazy and a couple popping out from GW2 going F2P, SWTOR releasing a new expansion, NA/EU beta release for Blade & Soul, Otherland beta release, The Secret World sale dropping their price to an all time low, Black Desert Russian release in Oct.1 and people rushing to play that game.
Skyforge never had a chance.
>>340625397
Shit, forgot about Wildstar going F2P in that time frame too.
>>340596967
How the fuck is it good.
>>340597060
How the fuck is it any good
>>340586891
Darkfall was so good before the UH remake.
>>340600621
>You faggots cry about gameplay > story all the time
Which is why we hate Gw2 mate.
>>340597215
>Not wanting to roleplay a mad scientist engineer rat
>>340582401
MMORPG
>>340585390
>>340586891
The MMO genre is dead, not because of the game but because of the people who play them: normalfags, selfishfags and casual scum.
Not because of the effects it has on the game (i.e. "casualizing the game"), mind you, but because they play an MMO with a single-player game's mindset, bringing cancerous behavior, punishing for and discouraging people from actually giving a shit about the community part of the game, the main attraction behind MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER games.
>hey wanna do X?
>nah i don't need anything from it
>the slightest thing goes wrong
>"fuck this i'm leaving this group, bye shitters"
etc
Prove me wrong, I dare you.
>>340619081
retard alert
>>340585445
SWGRIP
runescape best fuck you all id rather grind 99s by staring at a screen for 20 hours than play shit like that again
>>340582401
>artstyle
>retarded humour
>shallow as fuck combat pretending to be action combat
>rehashed fight mechanics everywhere (fucking telegraphs)
>worst optimization in the industry considering how bad the graphics are
contrary to what blizzdrones and ffxiv weebs claim it was not the "pandering to hardcore audience" that killed this game
>>340584638
MMOs died with Ultima Online: Age of Shadows when the developers decided to cater to hack n slash crowd with the introduction of mechanics resembling Diablo.
>>340596546
>>340596654
jesus christ dude, i mean the game is fucking trash but this autismo...
>>340582401
It was very pretty with a good and unique artstyle.
It had a fairly unique aiming and dodging system compared to other MMOs on the market.
Its housing system is fairly robust.
But when you get down to it, the quests are fairly bog standard, and the over-all gameplay progression is nothing we haven't seen before.
Add to this that its launch was a clusterfuck of uninmaginable proportions with terrible server quality, reducing breast sizes across the board, a lot of systems being confusing and needing reworking BAD but just not getting to it in time...
Forgot it existed
>>340596546
>>340596654
Im sory for you, I enjoyed my time with GW2.
My gf didnt liked dungeons so we droped it.
She like wow better, but im sick of tab targeting.
>>340582401
honestly, bad design and controls. UI, controls and camera is really important in mmos. WoW is almost flawless, controls are responsive as fuck and the UI was appealing yet minimalistic, and for the pros they could install mods for raids etc. Wildstar had a shitty UI, the camera felt like an RTS game, floaty as fuck controls eww!
>>340582401
movement felt like you were walking on ice
any mmo's are literal shit and just cashing machine on their customers
>>340605353
>Remove Anime
>meinwhile XIV is going strong and W* removed itsself
Pottery.
PvP in W* was the most horrid shit ever, especially the gear progression. A Warrior in high tier gear could literally solo whole arena teams in lower tier gear.
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