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GENJI NEEDS A NERF
>>340575404
He's literally bottom 3, next to Mei and Hanzo.
>>340575524
do you know how tier lists work
Genji is only OP if the player is good.
Everyone else using him makes him shit tier.
>>340575404
>kick ass as him one match
>next match end up doing miserably
>>340575404
>try cool shit like this when I play genji
>just get shut down in 2 seconds
I'll never git gud.
>>340575404
All that self owning in the webm. That enemy team deserved it.
>>340575524
he may be a stereotypical samurai that attracts a lot of players but he is not bottom tier
worse than tracer at making supports rage
>>340576285
He's pretty terrible. He's only useful when he has his ultimate, and even then he gets shut down really easily.
>>340575590
Clearly you're still in the shitter MMR where you play with scrubs. Talk to me when all your games consist solely of Winston, Widowmaker, McCree, and Lucio.
>>340576549
>implying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZeZATcLiPQ
You're just bad
>>340576686
Answer the question. Do you know how tier lists work?
>>340576794
>a pro player playing against pubs
Your video proves literally nothing
>>340575404
Nah man just use junkrat against him.
>use junkrat
>genji trying to "E" my bombs
>he can but it would not harm youself
Or
>he gets close
>bomb the fuck away and deploy bear trap
I just stopped a fuckton of genji while they were using their ult just because they passed on the bear trap. It's just beautiful to get genji player to rage
>>340575404
you need to git gud m8
Genji doesn't need changes at all
>>340577046
You can't stomp that hard with most heroes. Genji is one of the few heroes with a moderately high skill ceilling and a good Genji is an absolute nightmare. He's far from terrible.
>>340577091
>that moment when you trap Genji and watch him swivel around on the spot as he realises what's about to happen
>>340575404
>Neft a balanced hero?
How much of a fag are you?
>>340575404
godamn that mouse movement looks so good for this game. Wish I could play it on PC, I can't even turn off autoaim on console and it fucks with aiming.
>>340575404
Is using his right click better than left for this range? I can't never hit fucking shit with his left.
>>340576686
>Not 2 Soldier, 2 Zarya, Lucio and Wildcard.
>>340577952
>STOP TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES REEEEEE
fuck off faggot
>>340577375
Pharah is the most balanced Hero. Literally ALL you have as Pharah is your ability to aim.
>>340577091
>>genji trying to "E" my bombs
>>he can but it would not harm youself
this isn't true
>>340575404
if you're good with him he's incredibly rewarding, if not even if you're average with him he is utter shit tier (also the reason why noobs like to "main" him)
This game will die soon. It is currently dominated by absolute broken overpowered heroes like Genji, Hanzo, Widowmaker. While heroes like DVA, Pharah and Mei are useless weak.
>>340578743
>genji
>overpowered
>mei
>underpowered
they're both average at best
>inb4 competitive scene stats
>a mercy
>a widomaker
>a hanzo
>another genji
if we're going by this webm we should nerf everyone cause almost any other character
can kill all those squishy fucks and probably faster
>>340575404
Do you ever read the webms like this instead of just watching?
He only killed a couple half health heroes with Zarya's key assistance in distracting them.
Deflects don't require much skill.
>>340575404
From what I see.. those where shit oppenents. That sniper was behind that genji for how long?
>>340578743
>Genji
>Overpowered
>Hanzo
>Overpowered
The only one you got right was Widowmaker
>>340575404
No he doesn't.
You need a noose though.
>>340579762
the sniper was trying to kill the mercy
Do good Genji players actually use their ultimate?
I keep getting told it's less beneficial
>>340580074
>hanzo overpowered
Literally bottom tier. A completely garbage version of widow.
>>340580397
I play genji and i'm about to start saying fuck the ulti
It's more of a NERF than it is a Super Move
>can't even 1-shot a level 1 torb turret
>can't even 1-shot a zenyatta - the squishiest hero in the game
>makes me FUCKING MELEE
>>340580397
Save it for when your team goes in and takes most of the attention. It will two hit 200 hp heroes and you get your dash on each elimination
>>340575404
>ZENYATTA NEEDS A BUFF
ftfy
>>340578743
I went 32-1 with Mei today and I'm pretty average at the game.
You clearly haven't played it if you think that.
>>340577046
>pro
>overwatch
>>340580397
Point blank Right Click (84) > Melee (30) > Swift Strike (50) combo can deal a lot of damage in an instant as each cancels its animation into the next.
Koochie no OK Corral is slow and weak, and has a long startup and takes your Shurikens away for a measly 120 damage per swing, once per second.
Even just RMB+Melee gives you 114 damage in less than a second, repeating those two alone in rapid succession is far more effective than using Genji's sword.
>>340580397
Genji's ult is so shitty that you could make it his normal left-click and it'd actually nerf him.
Genji is too fun.
>>340576686
Not him, but I'm at the point in MMR where double McCree is not an uncommon sight and monkeys run rampant. Mercy seems equal with Lucio usage wise. Widows are are mixed bag, some are annoying and some are game ruining. Zarya is also really popular, arguably more so than Rein as the main tank. I see a few Meis as well surprisingly, most are pretty good at her.
Where would you say I am?
>>340580397
It's only good when you get the drop on people in the middle of a team battle. If you do use it right you slaughter the whole team
Any Genji "mains" have any tips? I feel as if I've hit a wall as far as improvement goes.
>>340582925
Attack from every height and angle always keep on the move
>>340583001
Yeah I do that, just like in my Scout days I'm always jumping around climbing and bouncing off of everything.
I think I need to know when it's better to use the straight shot or spread shot, along with general accuracy. Anything on that?
>>340580397
It's one of the hardest ults to use effectively.
Most new/mediocre Genji players think they can go ham on the team and get a 4-5 player multi kill at any time but in reality it's meant to be a flanking tool that catches the enemy by surprise in the middle of a massive team fight.
>>340583367
what website
>>340581509
Yes there are already people paid to play Overwatch. That is what pro means bud
>it's a "an actually good Genji is behind our team and is picking us off immediately after we respawn" episode
Genji needs his health nerfed back to 150. He's got too much mobility for his health tier, he also chews through widows like paper.
>>340577373
>He starts panic deflecting
>Throw a mine at his feet
>>340583741
Tracer has 150 because she can heal
Genji can't
>>340583367
Use the straight shot at greater distances, against single targets, against easy leads(people running in straight lines that aren't parallel to you, etc.) A Lucio sprinting away from you down a narrow hallway.
Use the spread at point blank for an instant three hits or if you can't really judge or lead a good shot. A zero suit D.va doing circles around you and you just want to land two in her head for the finish.
Spread is faster than straight for harassing and distracting. Straight travels pretty god damn far.
>Dorado Attack
>Have a reliable McCree on our team
>He gets a card at the end for every fucking elimination being a FTH kill
WHOA THERE
EASY
>>340583802
genji is fast enough to get to any medkit on any map instantly with his dash, he also has more survivability than any other offense, and arguably more than tracer.
zarya is in secret need of a nerf
>>340576285
>stereotypical samurai
>Genji
>a fucking samurai
>>340584007good players shouldn't be punished for playing a difficult carry well
>>340583887
Genji doesn't have 4 mobility abilities to use at once.
Genji has cooldowns that really fucking blow if you're caught during them.
>>340582925
always remember that the dash recharges with a kill and avoid using it out of panic. yeah if you need to escape you need to escape but some times you can dash your way into a sudden double kill.
>>340584093
>Hitting E and shift
>good player
Shit son all lucios are good too then
>>340584132
>use dash to get away from a roadhog that just hooked me
>use deflect while back strafing
>turn the corner to find a reaper
but hey he has 50 too much hp
>>340575404
What if, skill.
>>340584245
Good Zarya players need to time their shit very well and they're almost useless solo.
>>340583420
>By surprise
>[JAPANESE YELLING]
>GIANT GLOWING DRAGON
>>340584007
>mfw nobody plays the best tank because she looks ugly
y'all some shallow niggas. She has the best ult in the game, being able to clutch games by comboing her ult into literally any other ult. It seriously works with everything. Hanzo, junkrat, genji, tracer, mccree, pharah, basically every damage dealing ult has great synergy with zarya's ult. But nobody plays her because
>i don't wanna be a dyke
>>340584245
And why do you think she needs a nerf then? Because you're too retarded to not shoot the big power boosting shield?
>>340580397
I like to believe I'm good and I use it. you can hit multiple people with it at once and it's easier to hit with than the spread so you can get in close and focus on movement while killing them in a couple hits.
at the very least I don't think it's an overpowered ult
Who /junkrat/ or /roadhog/ here?
>>340583501
https://watcher.gg/
>>340575404
I want to fuck Genji in his onahole
>>340584596
What if Genji has a pussy
>>340583823
Thanks anon, that's a good idea.
>>340584341
??? yeah ain't any different than not getting insta-gibbed as Pharah.
>Junkrat yells FIRE IN THE HOLE/D.va yells NERF THIS/Hanzo yells HONG BONG CHING CHONG, etc
>enemy team attention diverted
>yell FOR MY ANCESTORS and cut down two squishies before they can react. you are in the backlines, right?
but good luck stacking ults with pubbies
>>340584349
I picked her up yesterday for shits and giggles. Holy fuck she's amazing. Only problem is she needs your team to play aggressively, so having shitters who think they should snipe/turret/Bastion from afar the entire game hurts.
who is the best champ to shut down windowmakers with? I was told it was winston but he gets shut down so easily and his tickle gun is awful.
>>340584821
Genji, Tracer, Reaper depending on your MMR, Roadhog for the same reason
why the fuck does widow have 200 health despite being 3 miles away from all the action?
just gives her more time for her to zip line back to her fuck buddies before you kill her, if you somehow manage to get past her anti flanker mine or get gunned down by her rapid fire rail gun
>>340584948
>making widows hardest counter stronger
she needs her DAMAGE nerfs, not her health.
>>340584702
All of the ults you mentioned either dont have start up time or are instakills that require the enemies to hide, and cant be stopped by killing the user.
Genji's has start up time, makes him glow, doesnt instakill and requires you to be right fucking next to enemies.
>>340584948
because blizzard has a fetish for making glass cannons overpowered.
Just look at mages and warlocks in WoW.
pharah needs a nerf, so does junkrat
>>340585098
pharah needs a buff. her rocket powered missles are slower than gravity
>>340585056
>Mages
>glass canons
those fucks always have the most survieablity if played right
>>340585043
I wasn't comparing Genji's ult to those mang, I was saying that Genji's ult works best when something else forces panic like those ults listed.
It's harder to retreat in an orderly manner than to advance. And yeah I know Genji's ult has a gorillion small problems.
>>340585000
no he's right, it makes no sense from a gameplay perspective to give a character who can't be engaged with on equal terms to have as much health as the front line offensive. Most of the time when players die to her they didn't even see her or were engaged with another player. her damage and ult is fine, but she needs to be squishier, and her grapplehook needs to be interruptable so she can't fly away at the first sign of being forced into a fair fight.
>>340585421
>Not being Winston
Just give Widows the monkey dick anon nothing feels better then smashin dat blue ass
>>340584948
Why is her rifle able to take off over half of most heroes health without a full charge
Why is the rifle not bolt action/slow rate of fire
Why is SMG mode on par with 76's AR
Why does she get so much fucking ammo
Why does she get two LEAVE NOW buttons
Why does she whisper her ult so it's impossible for most enemies to hear it
Why doesn't the ult end prematurely when she's killed
So many questions
>>340584821
The only real counter to Widowmaker is another Widowmaker
>>340585605
only one question is required
why did they put a sniper in an objective based game in the first place?
>>340584702
>Ryuu ga waga teki wo kurau
>HONG BONG CHING CHONG
>yfw genji gets buffed because most players are so bad they can't play him
>this appears on the enemy team
>>340584821
You gotta learn how to hot monkey dick
>>340584702
Shutting down Pharahs is so satisfying.
>>340585571
>jump in with winston to widow
>MLG DANK MIDAIR HEADSHOT takes you to 50% health
>widow zips away
>entire enemy team focuses you while your team jerks off behind a wall
>your bubble melts in seconds and then you get headshot again and die
the only counter to a widow is to shoot rockets at her location while dipping back and forth around a corner and hope she goes away for awhile. her explosive hitbox is so large you can't miss.
>>340586102
Feels like gitting gud with Zen would be really satisfying
Shame you die to a slight breeze
>>340586196
>Not deploying the shield
Come on now
>>340586196
If you turn around when you jump they can't see your head
Also ideally you should be coordinating with your team so that when you jump they also put pressure on so the rest of the team gets fucked if they turn around to face you
>>340586284
when i typed your bubble melts in seconds, i was implying that i deployed the shield and then it was melted.
>>340575404
So, is nerfing genji a forced meme now, or is OP the same shitter from yesterday who started the Nerf Genji poll?
>>340479485
Incase anyone is curious, it was an overwhelming "no."
>>340586448
I meant you can deploy it mid air to widow doesn't get a free headshot it even feels where you land if you time it right.
>he doesn't play the best character in the game
SHINEH SHINEH SHINEEEHHH
>>340577830
You can do two right clicks by the time you do a left click
You obviously do right click for point black, you can go for headhshots otherwise
>>340586471
Genji and Reaper are the only characters I could confidently say are balanced right now.
You need to be insanely good to be effective with Genji, and even then you'd probably be doing twice as good as something else.
>>340586756
>tfw played reaper only 3 times and got PoTG with die die die every time
still holding off until I get the nevermore skin until I play him again but level 78 and still nothing
>>340578743
Widow's getting nerfed soon. Mcrees getting a nerf. Dvas getting a buff
Hanzo and Genji are fine. as are Pharah and Mei
>don't want to play a game against two McCrees and Widowmakers
>keep gettting matched against them
>receive XP penalty for leaving
Great design.
>>340586756
>VAPEGOD
>>340586939
Phara needs more god damn splash damage or her rockets need a very slight movement speed buff
>>340586393
Just FYI: his head is still visible from the back when jumping. It does become a smaller target, but it's no more difficult to shoot than a normal-sized character's head. For best results jump from a direction she isn't looking in; you can even save your fragile shield for a bit longer if you do it that way.
why is it ok if reaper gets 250 health and heal orbs and invincibility
but shit like mcree and pharah have 200
>>340587056
mcree and phara have fucking range reaper is meant to teleport behind you into the middle of a group
>>340586939
Pharah is secretly too strong imo. being able to cancel a rocket into the conc rocket into another rocket is insanely strong.
>>340587056
no range
>>340585849
Because contrary to what retards believe, killing people a lot is actually beneficial in that it helps keep them off the objective while simultaneously forcing them to dedicate at least one character to hunting you down. The main problem is shitters who only care about their kill streaks and epic x420xMLGmast0rx420x no-scope headshots, which would be fixed if the game properly rewarded team play.
>>340587107
>Cancel
there is no fucking cancel in that what so ever
>>340586961
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
>>340587056
Because his mobility in combat is awful and he does no damage beyond dick sucking range
If anything he needs to be tankier so he doesn't melt when an enemy sees him outside effect shotgun range.
I do agree that Pharah also needs more HP, but fuck Mcree, he's meant to be a glass cannon with the speed he can shit out damage.
>>340587056
Reaper needs to be in dicksucking range to kill you, he's not that fast and his teleport has a huge tell to it.
is reaper just shit or am I bad at his playstyle?
just seems to me there are no situations where you would take him for CQC offense over tracer or mccree, even fucking roadhog.
>>340586232
I feel ya.
>>340587202
animation canceling in OW is when you preform an action then follow up instantly into another, like shooting with roadhod then instantly meleeing afterwards.
>Team has Genji and Zenyatta
>Pick Hanzo because we're fucked anyway
>>340587389
Reaper is a fucking nightmare in the hands of a good player
>>340587436
That's not a cancel though you finish the animation and just do the other one there is no fucking cancel. Quit trying to make it sound complicated
>>340580724
It also practically never misses, and can hit multiple people at once.
>>340587107
>>340587202
>>340587436
>tfw was told on here that meleeing made Reaper's reloads faster so used to always do it and then got a potg where I did it a few times and everyone called me an idiot
>>340587389
just play him like a spy. don't fight fair. you have a teleport for a reason.
>Watch Seagull to try and help myself get good with Genji
>He always has a pocket Mercy
Fuck
Well at least I can shit on McCrees
Genji fills the same niche as tracer but gets less for more work. People only pick him because they think he's cool
>>340584821
Dva is decent, just turn around right when she shoots so it doesnt hit your massive critbox
>>340587389
He's good at *teleporting behind* snipers and killing them before they can react
He's also good at killing uppity tanks that think they can get in your face before they quickly realize that a few meatshots to the face wears them down incredibly quickly.
Use spooky ghost form liberally, especially if you're in a chaotic situation with lots of fighting around you.
Try to avoid said chaotic situations, like multi-man cap fights, but if you're in one always prioritize heroes who are trying to get close to you, like Mei's, Winstons, Genjis and Roadhogs.
Ult is useless unless enemies are distracted, only use it when there's chaos or you have some sort of survivability bonus (winston shield, lucio ult, mercy healing) while doing so and the enemies are all holding hands
Stick to enclosed areas, make use of corners, in KOTH and other maps don't rush in with the bulk, try to flank around and pick off lone stragglers
Be judicious with your shots, only shoot when you have a good bead on the target. While his burst is strong, he doesn't have that much ammo and the reload takes a fair amount of time.
>>340584821
Winston and more skilled Widowmakers are the only true solutions.
Genji or Tracer will do in a pinch, but realistically she's stronger than either of them once she reaches a certain skill level.
Frankly it's kinda fucking sad that the characters that are meant to deal with shit like Widowmaker are more scared of her than she is of them.
>>340582925
You can animation cancel like all of his attacks with a melee attack, so you can get a bit of quick extra damage if they're at low hp.
And you can triple jump after a short wall run if you've already DJ'd
>>340587896
>implying he isn't "Rule of Cool: The Character"
>>340587389
His guns shred tanks in melee range, and he can occasionally teleport onto vantage points (attacking the final points in Hanamura and Hollywood come to mind) and drop down with his ult to stop enemy pushes or initiate/assist with/clean up after allied pushes.
He's not amazing in many situations, but he's a great anti-tank character up close, and his teleport offers a particular brand of flanking that isn't available to other characters. He's also extremely easy to use, which makes him an attractive option for a lot of players.
>>340587896
I pick him cause he feels more rewarding. Also I was a Scout main in tf2, the double jump brings more Scout vibes that Tracer ever will.
>>340587393
Who's this suicidal cutie?
When does Seagull play him?
>>340584821
Winston works the easiest desu but things aren't a vacuum and you aren't going to kill her for free just because it's an advantageous matchup for you.
As in don't jump straight at her where she's already aiming at where she can get an easy shot off; don't get juked by her falling off her ledge and you chasing her only to have her hook back up while your leap is on cooldown; bait her into engaging by not immediately throwing your bubble up, etc.
>>340575404
>Raime
>Robobro
I see these names way too often. Raime in particular is really skilled, but he's just a genji. I usually switch toTHAT FUCKING CUNT MEIto deal with him and keep him off my team.
He likes to skirmish midrange with shuriken and hop everywhere until his sword is ready.
>>340576794
I like that guys videos. Just wish he uploaded more gameplays like that one that didn't have a mercy surgery attached to his rectum. Kind of diminishes things a bit.
>>340584174
Does it only recharge if you kill someone with it or does it just always recharge when you get an elimination in any way?
>>340589365
any elimination so if you hit someone who then gets blown the fuck up enjoy your free dash
>>340588952
>He likes to skirmish midrange with shuriken and hop everywhere until his sword is ready.
that's pretty much what every decent genji does
Anyone here have a problem with how so many characters have regular 200 health and nothing else? Mind you, it probably wouldn't make much sense to give some characters a change in the amount of health that they have or to give them armor or shield health that wouldn't fit their character or even be balanced for that matter, but I just feel that 200 health is too "normal" for many of the cast of Overwatch.
>>340575404
>no one shoots him
I always get focused and I am shit.
>>340585998
>Player is literally a jap listening to the MGR soundtrack
>>340586756
I was going to pick one name out of all those to post but they're all so good
>Pharah
>is literally a Gundam
>has no armour
Who thought this was a smart idea?
>>340590428
it's just a suit not a robot
t. blizzard
>>340576794
seagull isn't good, he's better than most of the shitters but he's no quake pro. If he actually got matched up with anyone that could aim and he didn't have a medic up his asshole every game he would get raped constantly.
>>340577276
You have to try 1000% harder with any terrible character. Genji is bad against anyone who can point and click on people and isn't stupid enough to shoot at him while he's deflecting.
>>340578249
Pharah is both made of paper and slow as molasses. The enemy team has to be both blind and retarded to not kill her every time she appears. She needs more health or more movement speed or something.
>>340584821
Genji, Pharah, Widowmaker, Tracer, or Winston if the other Widowmaker is bad. Against an actual good Widowmaker, your only real hope is to have a better Widowmaker. Good luck.
There are only two overpowered characters at the moment. McRee and Widowmaker.
Pharah, D.va, and Zenyatta are underpowered.
Symettra is useless.
>>340590428
It's basically made out of paper so she can fucking fly.
>>340587389
Paired up Reaper (me) with Mercy (my friend) as a personal support for the whole match.
>Proceed to wreck everything close range with damage buff
>Immediately healed when things get too dicey
>Revived when outnumbered and killed
>Die Die Die
Rinse and repeat
>>340590829
>Genji is bad against anyone who can point and click on people and isn't stupid enough to shoot at him while he's deflecting.
You're a fucking retard. His extreme mobility and the fact he can flank and attack from almost every angle is what makes him good, not his deflect. He isn't OP but he's not terrible at all.
Genji is ASS
who the fuck thought he should be a ranged character with his two swords?
idiot
>>340575404
>fighting a blind team
congrats on the only time genji will actually be useful
also laughing at the widow who didn't kill you when you facing away, literally bottom of the MMR bracket
>>340575404
play winston faggot
>>340590829
>he's no quake pro
most of the quake pros playing are fucking irrelevant, your arguments are all dumb
>>340576549
let me guess, you're lvl 40-50? Maybe even mid 30s?
>>340591340
OH MAN HE CAN DOUBLE JUMP AND CLIMB WALLS WHILE HE'S BEING SHOT BY MCREE AND WIDOWMAKER WOOOOOOOOOO
>>340591554
I don't care who's relevant, I care about people who are actually good.
>>340592163
ok guys I've hit a small wall with genji. torbjorns turrets are fucking hell on me since they dont shoot fast enough to reflect kill. I would count on my team to take them out but they are generally stupid so I need to know the best counter for that in particular. I already have characters to switch to in case of winston or, well winston but those fucking turrets come back up almost instantly if i keep ducking out.
>>340575404
that's pure skill tho.
>>340592163
>getting close to Mccree
>not flanking the shit out of Widow
So you're really retarded, I see.
>>340588952
Yeah, it seems to be that way. Kinda boring but at the same time what else is he gonna do? Flank without SORD?
>>340590829
Thank god there's someone on /v/ or /vg/ that doesn't suck Seagull's dick.
He is nothing special - he always has a pocket healer on his ass even if he's on Widowmaker.
>>340591340
>fighting a genji indoors
>winning so far, he starts deflecting
>melee attack him, he's almost dead
>teammate hanzo fires a scatter arrow at him
>die
thanks hanzo
>>340593187
Pity he outed himself as a moron with much of the rest of his statements.
>>340593285
What statements?
>>340593429
Symmetra is an excellent character and Pharah needs to be made of paper. The way he talks he seems to think Blizzard should balance around pubs.
>>340593285
>>340593429
>>340593751
he also thinks taimou and surefour are legit
>>340593751
>Pharah needs to be made of paper.
but she is
>>340594015
C9 won on LAN and Surefour was voted MVP. He's definitely good regardless of whether he was cheating in an earlier online tournament, and the kill cams can look fishy regardless.
Taimou definitely seems fishier since he hasn't been nearly as good on LAN.
>>340576794
>Seagull
Please, the man has a pocket Mercy on him at all times
>>340592163
then why are you saying Seagull isn't good, he's a legitimately great player
like you're talking about quake pros but none of them are relevant, if you think they're better why aren't they relevant. you're full of shit mate
>>340595561
>quake pros
I actually played against Rapha in a pub last week. Dude was good, but honestly the actual OW pros are considerably better.
>>340587485
don't lie to yourself, you would have picked Hanzo regardless of what your team had picked.
>be Pharah
>start raining justice from above
>suddenly a Genji runs out from inside a building and deflecting rockets
>>340595839
>be pharah
>die
fun times
>>340595839
>be D.VA
>see Pharah fly up
>D matrix on CD
>fly up
>JUST-
>body block all the missiles in her face, killing her with the splash
Genji has like the highest skill floor and lowest skill ceiling he's fine.
Why does Blizzard take 50 years to actually patch their fucking game? Do they just push it back until their next hero reveal which will end up like every LoL champ ever and be unbalanced for 2 months before they actually patch it again?
>>340595768
exactly, i don't know why people think they're gonna be good at OW just because they're good at twitch shooters, they can aim well but they're not that ahead of the TF2 players, and they don't know how to play with a team.
hell, Fat4lity was complete shit at CS:GO, he was stuck at Gold forever
>>340596138
they're probably doing testing and putting in cosmetics with the next patch, should be SOONtm
Why doesn't Genji get any armor or shields despite practically being a robot?
>>340596245
>>340596245
Some guy just recently said they'll "know more in the coming two weeks" about patches. "Soon" will probably mean "oh yeah, end of June when the comp mode releases".
>>340596259
fuck you
>ow pros
>competitive scene
>tier lists
Please, don't turn this community into the Smash community. Before you know it, people will be sucking the dick of the Overwatch equivalent of Scarflard or whatever he's called.
>>340587004
>very slight movement speed buff
I'd say only in the air where she's hitscan bait. I feel like she's fine otherwise, especially once Widow and McCree get nerfed.
>>340590829
>seagull isn't good, he's better than most of the shitters but he's no quake pro.
Rapha is on a team though and they're mediocre at best last I checked.
So is Genji a DemoKnight equivalent?
>>340575404
Gengi is balanced, but his reflect should be nerfed a bit. There's a few things that he shouldn't reflect, such as junks grenades and mine. I get bouncing them back, but reversing who takes damage is just retarded.
Nerf McCree, remove Mei, and fucking up the tick rate.
>>340596743
No, Genji takes a shitload of skill to be effective.
>>340575404
Yes fuck genji. Hes gayer than mcree.
Yuuga baka motha fucka
>>340596473
Truth hurts.
>>340575524
>i'm bad: the post
>>340581608
>>340580724
The difference is that his ult is aoe like Rein, so you can slaughter multiple targets at once. That's what makes it "okay".
Still one of the worst supers.
>>340593751
Symmetra is excellent in her own little niche. Not every character needs to be viable in every situation. Also, iirc, he said that Pharah shouldn't be buffed just yet because the main issue currently is that her counters in McCree and Widowmaker are really overpowered and overused. If Pharah is weak after McCree and WM get nerfed to a reasonable level then it'll be time to look into buffs.
>>340576794
>Seagull
You mean the glorified pub stomper who always runs premades and has a pocket healer on him 99% of the time?
>>340580724
His ult is super useful when a point is contested.
Both teams are busy fighting each other so you can get up behind them and swing away.
Not that most other Genji players I see do this, they like to pop it behind their Reinhardt and then swift strike IN to the enemy team like it somehow makes them invincible. It's fucking infuriating.
>>340584349
is it so much to ask to not be a dyke?
>Ryujin no ken wo kurae!
>snipe genji with rockets
was it really that hard?
>>340597653
Where did Seagull hurt you anon
>>340575404
Genji is probably the most balanced hero in the game and he is also the only hero that gets worse the better you and your opponents get at the game.
Ulting at genji stops being a "haha now i get to kill them all" button and it starts to become a liability where you're sitting there thinking "if could ult but then they'd all know where I am"
>>340585605
iirc they're looking into her.
Everyone knows that she has just too many options, she has all the upsides and none of the downsides of a sniper. They'll probably nerf her pretty soon.
One of the worst ones is that she doesn't need headshots to be effective, since a charged bodyshot and semi-charged bodyshot immediately after can kill most characters before they can react. That's the biggest bullshit about her. That and the Ultimate having no warning.
>>340584356
The funny thing about Zarya is not only do her main abilities have telegraphs but even her basic charge level is telegraphed so you can always 100% tell how dangerous a zarya is and when you can just ignore her.
>>340580397
It's only good if you absolutely positively need to gank a mercy or if you're about to enter a huge team fight.
As soon as you use it everyone is going to move away from you or instantly kill you.
It's probably the most frustrating ult to use because it also takes away your only ranged option and doesn't reset the cool down on swift strike when you activate it so you better wait for your only gap closer to be off cool down before you activate it.
>>340587389
Reaper is literal hell in the hands of someone who is good or familiar with him.
>>340598974
>and doesn't reset the cool down on swift strike when you activate it
Yes it does
>>340591517
Agreed, he should've been like Reinhardt where his heavy melee at close range packs a huge punch, but they just had to go with the fucking shurikens.
>>340599146
really?
i feel really stupid right now.
>>340593751
Symmetra is too niche and her turrets die to a stiff breeze.
Also her gun is shit, needs more range.
I didn't play overwatch in the beta but since they ripped off every fps ever made. Did genji get added after the battlefront beta? Because that deflect shit is Luke/Vader saber block
>>340586756
>emotions
>>340588240
>He's good at *teleporting behind* snipers and killing them before they can react
funniest potg i saw, involved a reaper warping next to a widow maker who was super focused on aiming down her scope and using the "hey" emote before he shot her in the head and then dropped down and ulted the rest of the enemy team.
>>340598471
>he is also the only hero that gets worse the better you and your opponents get at the game.
This is true, most of his abilities put a skill check on the opponent rather than the player using them.
A good genji knows how to flank well and gets a feel for the rhythm of the match but as you start playing against better people that gets much harder.
>>340599214
Yep. Check it out.
>>340599263
Symm's turrets would be broken if they didn't die to a breeze
>>340599650
>Yep. Check it out.
That's actually awesome I did not know this.
It seems like the second the cool down is up again would be a good indicator for when you can actually get your first swing out.
Because man that start up animation is quite long.
>shuriken hitboxes a mile wide, hit top third of player model to get headshots, literally impossible to miss with right click which does good damage up close
>double jump perfectly exploits 20 tick movement with jerky transitions between animations
>halfway decent genjis collect minimum 2, usually 3-4 kills per ult because slash dash chains
the simple existence of a genji means you stack burst or at least instant CC. genji is underpicked right now simply because everyone already stacks mccree who does both. if mccree nerf actually curbs his usage then expect genji to jump tiers.
>>340599634
True you can tell when he starts his deflect and just stop shooting for a few seconds and when you hear him ult trap freeze or push him away
>>340599263
If her turrets had more HP they might actually be the most insane things in the game, you just gotta place em better.
Her gun is also insanely powerful if it had any more range it would probably be considered to be broken.
>>340599854
Also if you see him running at you throwing shurikens just don't move in a straight line and he is going to have a much harder landing all 3 shurikens on you.
>>340599978
That's just it, place her turrets all together and you are asking for them to all be blown up in one shot. Just spread them out in different corners of a small room so when they destroy them they have to waste the time to find them all.
I've been countering Genji with Bastion and Reaper.
Bastion just needs to bait the reflect and wait a second to kill him easy. Reaper has odd timing with shotguns and good spread.
Soldier 76 is also good
>>340600156
This, they aren't meant to be main turrets that kill they are meant to just slow and distract. Hiding them all over can noticeably slow a group.
I complain when I play this game a lot too.
But never about nerfing characters. They are all pretty well balanced.
I just dont like team stacking and people who refuse to change characters when the current strategy just isnt working.
its like watching a practice of the literal definition of insanity with some of these games.
>>340600334
I dunno, I wish Mei's SHIFT didn't contest points and was destructible.
>>340576794
>a Genji with personal Mercy
An embarrassment to all Genji players.
>>340600156
yeh, you can also do funny things with them because they actually have a pretty big range.
For example if you place them at the peak of a jump winstons tesla gun won't be able to arc to them unless he jumps and looks up.
>>340600254
>Bastion
You've been playing with some pretty shit Genjis.
Good Genjis will see you firing at the team, pop reflect and purposefully jump in front of you for a super easy kill.
>>340600334
Team Fortress 2 was the same exact way. I learned to use shaming tactics and a sense of humor on the mic to get people to change. And hyped up anyone who played well as a team. It needs to be a cultural pressure.
>>340576686
How do you counter dual winstons? I went mccree and we had a speedweed and our own winston but still got shut down
>>340576794
>I first I was jelly of his skills.
>Then I saw what he looked like.
Yeah, no wonder he is that good. He's a fat piece of ugly shit that has made video games his life.
>>340600334
The people who play this game are blights on humanity. There's no concept of teamwork, they're all arrogant little shits, and they refuse to get on the fucking point
If any good comes from this game, it'll be that it keeps all the horrible people away from other games
>>340600907
Welcome to every online team based game ever.
>>340600723
If you're defense then Symmetra is actually hilariously effective against winston if she can place her turrets right because you can place them in a way that winston cant reach them.
>>340600646
Normally you'd be right, but no. I'm just the only intelligent Bastion.
I fire in bursts strategically while watching for the obvious counter attempts. I also stand and reposition instead of normal reload.
Genji players feel very stupid of you bait the deflect. They start hunting you down out of spite because they're so egotistical. It balances out fine
my only issue with him is he's way too mobile
How do I get good at aiming?
>>340601545
Play Bastion so you don't have to be good.
>>340601545
Left click at short range, right click at far.
>>340601545
You dont.
Bastion and 76 exists for people like you.
>>340601835
>76
>Doesn't need to be good at aiming
>Gun spreads after about 5-6 shots requiring you to really make good use of bursts
>Shooting is no different then any other DPS
>Helix has almost no splash so dead on is best case
Oh tell me how Reaper Tracer or McCree take any more aim if not less then 76? Tracer and Reaper basically just get in close and can't miss if they make it in and McCree has hitscan and can snipe down Pharahs.
If anything Pharah is the only character that takes any real aim because of her lack of splash damage. Every other character is just naturally shit with a ton of spread or uses hitscan weapons.
>>340602107
Zarya needs good aim for her balls and good tracking for her ticklebeam.
>>340602107
I can confirm Tracer doesn't require good aiming.That's why I play her, I've always been complete shit at aiming.
Is it just me, or does Mei no longer contest points when she's frozen?
>>340576794
his play is helped by his team, constant mercy heal and buff, lucio speed and heal and zarya projected barriers all focussed on the genji.
not to mention its a co ordinated team against randoms. thats no feat to be proud about
>>340575404
>tfw always miss with the sword dash
>>340575404
who cares? unless they fix their tick rate it will never be competitive outside lan matches anyway, and if its lan only for pro mode then its a pleb game from start and it does not need balance as much, its intended to be easy fun, take it as such and you will enjoy your time playing it more
>>340602107
>78
>bursts
His gun has barely any recoil, and it kills really first.
If that wasnt enough his ulti is literally there so you dont need to aim.
>like playing Genji
>never win with him
>>340603984
>play 76
>he's not too exciting, but win often
>play tracer
>have lots of fun, but lose often
>>340575524
He's literally not.
And Hanzo is only so low because there's no reason to pick him when Widowmaker is so fucking OP.
>>340603089
are you serious? I avoid playing her because I feel like I need to aim and my aim is utter shit
>>340604516
Is this real? What does 150% mean? Multiple people picking him in the same game, or people on both sides?
>>340605227
It's real data, taken from tournament play. 150% means they were used so often that they were on 100% of teams and often two were put into play. 2x Lucio is extremely popular on KOTH for speed + heal aura at the same time, and they can alternate heal amping
>>340604516
>"""""competetive"""""
That list is hardly representative considering ranked isn't even live yet.
http://masteroverwatch.com/heroes
>>340604516
>Reinhardt
>literally 0 KotH usage
huh
i just want friends to play with
>>340605529
Data that takes into account random pubbies is not good data compared with tournament play, even if you think Overwatch's tournament scene is not very good.
>>340605561
2x Winston is popular in KOTH, Reinhardt's shield isn't nearly as useful in KOTH
>>340605529
Why would you care about pub pickrates? Pubs are fucking retarded
>most of the characters are fun but I'm mediocre and/or bad at all of them
I wish I wasn't so bad at FPS games
>>340585421
Agreed. Being ambushed as a sniper should be a punishment, not an inconvenience.
>>340603984
>favorites are Pharah, Zarya and Tracer
>utter shit with them
>must pick soldier 76 if I want to contribute something
Kill me, because I would miss my own head.
>>340605731
Buy me the game I'll play anytime you want.
I'll give you my phone number so you can call me to play even if I'm sleeping.
>>340605731
same senpai, whats ur battletag?
>>340606197
dont be silly.
i wouldnt make you play with me like that regardless of whether i bought the game for you or not. i cant afford to get a second copy right now though sorry
>>340605731
whats ur battletag im on all the time have no one to play with
>>340606273
FioshNZ#1553
i live in New Zealand but ill try to deal with the ping if you want to play sometime
>>340606376
right here man
>>340606405
>>340583583
>my face attacking a Mercy alone behind the lines
>tries to run to the big medkit
>dash into the medkit and steal it and stand in front of here
I wish there was a voiceline for Aho ka?
Get over here and feel.>tfw no gf
>>340580606
Are you retarded?
>>340607465
we're all virgins now
>>340584524
all day baby
junkrat, roadhog, reinhardt and reaper all day
>>340596259
Same reason Zen has zero armor despite being made of fucking metal
>>340586756
Almost expected to find myself there.
I have a sorta edgy nick, but I don't usually play Reaper.
>>340584821
I lock down Widow pretty good as Winston
Always a blast watching her panic spray while trying to get away
Good widows will try and get to their team as fast as possible cos Winston cant follow or he'll be dead
>>340575731
Me with Junkrat
I'm level 20 and the only two legendary skins I've unlocked are both for Widowmaker. And I'll never even play her. Ever. Why me?
>>340605561
he cant stop anything in koth unless you push their spawn because the maps are actually designed with more than one choke
zaryas just as good at protecting the healer and has way better utility in combat situations because she doesnt have to pick between shields and damage
also the lower amount of widow keeps him from being mandatory since thats like 90% of the reason hes so popular in payload
>>340575404
Fuck off Overshills
Your game is flashy spammy low skilled crap for 12 year olds
>>340608834
You're getting some pretty good RNG legendarywise m8
>>340608834
I just got my first legendary at 25
It is my third skin overall
The Fuck is going on in this thread
>>340575524
Not even close. Genji is amazing and the longer the game is out the more people will realize it.
He's the Fox of Melee. At first Fox wasn't considered the best in the game due to his difficulty and precision. Now a top fox player is considered almost unstoppable with a handful of counterpicks.
>>340575404
>Genji is so overpowered not even Genji could stop him.
Winston is a pretty good Widow counter but sometimes there's fucking nothing you can do, any Widow with a brain is just going to hookshot into her team and then you're fucked.
I don't know why the fuck they gave a sniper two get out of jail free cards, a fucking poison mine that PUNISHES people for even daring to flank her and a hookshot for zipping wherever the fuck she wants to. With 200 HP for no reason on top of that.
>>340578251
You can dodge your own bombs if you're a competent junkrat
>>340584821
Your own widowmaker behind a shield
How do we make Symmetra more useful lads? One suggestion I heard was to give her a mini teleport ability that allows you to tag one character at a time and allow them to respawn where you choose.
>>340614132
Make her ult charge up even when she already put a teleport on the field.
>>340584821
Be Winston, but take note that your role is not necessarily to kill Widow, but to take the focus off your team. If you bully her away and into her teammates, don't follow unless you know you can take her and not die. Also be aware that Winston will get shut the fuck down if your team is shit.
>>340586756
>Play of The Game: KILLEVERYONE
>>340582174
Didn't know you can reflect the flashbang
>>340586756
>last match I played
>POTG: Jackie Chan as Reaper
>>340582925
>>340583756
He deflects the mine back at you
>tfw you're playing random hero brawl and you respawn as your best character
>>340614924
Random hero brawl should let you keep the ult charge when you die. Otherwise you're forced to forfeit your ult or use it at inappropriate time, just so it wouldn't go to waste completely in case you die.
>>340585605
>so much fucking ammo
10/30 is pretty standard for semiauto snipers and assault rifles
>>340614868
>don't blow it up
problem solved
>There are people in this very thread that don't use the most secretly overpowered hero in the gameSymmetra
>>340615374
>blow it up
>you take no damge, Genji does
>you're propelled away to safe distance from him
Pharah just needs to move faster when shes in the air
>>340615510
Most of the Symmetras I've seen in pubs are absolute garbage, but when you get a good one that can actually fight and place turrets well, you basically win unless they're a very good team.
>>340575404
He WAS nerfed. Watch this shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-SE2Qeqj1g
Genji, Greninja
See the resemblance between the two? i think you all know what this means.
>>340615623
You really don't even need to do much outside place a decent teleporter.
But yes, her damage is insane, she counters the fuck out of Rein, she has absurd map awareness since you get a heads upwhenever your turrets spot an enemy, and the free teamwide 25 hp.
Even on attack when shes nothing but a teleporter + QUAD LASER spam shes still carrying the fuck out the team.
>game already so dead that on a friday night I'm getting put into 200+ping foreign games
>tfw love Widowmaker and have the most fun playing as her but I absolutely fucking blow when I play outside of the practice range
How do I git gud? Everyone's told me to try out the practice range and I've gotten a lot better at flickshots there and I can pop heads faster than anything, but when I get to an actual match I fuck up most of my shots and I get btfo by other Widows as long as they're at least mediocre.
>people play reaper
>they don't know about the melee reload animation cancel
NERF GENJI FFS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUJutcT4P2w
>>340616107
You suck that big bag of hard long dicks and get insulted by your team until you get good.
This goes for most people who can't aim in general. New people usually just pick supports or characters that don't require much aim like Reinhart and Torb, sure you won't suck many dicks like this, but I can guarantee you you will never get good with those you love that way, and also likely be a subpar support. The only way out is to suck every single one of those dicks and ignore your team, one day you will be the one who will have to carry shitters like you around.
So is the "muh team" matchmaking issue really that prominent or is /v/ just overreacting as usual?
>>340596050
Wait, the rockets explode when they hit D matrix?
>>340616096
Blizzard's matchmaker occasionally fucks up and thinks you're in a different region for no reason. I've been matched into Singapore servers during prime time in HotS before because my connection getting hammered (low bandwidth DSL, was watching a stream while playing).
>>340617481
My stack has been recently going against some level 100+ players almost constantly, can't get a single game without some couple of prestiges on the other team. We are all mid 30s. It's pretty ridiculous.
>>340617481
It is an issue and will be an issue at least until ranked comes out. Hopefully their matchmaking system will actually be fixed by then.
>>340616219
You mean the animation cancel that does literally nothing because the first shot is still delayed?
No, really. Go time it. The only advantage you get is that you squeezed a melee attack into what would have been dead space. That's all that happens.
>>340617481
your team
>you
>4 braindead retards
enemy team
>5 equally skilled players
yeah, every single game
it's unplayable
>>340575404
>literally playing against people who shot while there is a huge animation for DONT ATTACK
genji player are you sub 50% winrate?
>>340616107
90% of aiming in any game is prediction. I need to know where they want to go so you can anticipate their movements instead of chasing after them erratically. This is more important for tracking where you need to constant react to evasive players, but anticipating where someone is about to move (like a doorway or a drop down area) and aiming where their head should be is still a huge part of sniping.
Basically, if you haven't played everyone else, play everyone, figure out how they move, what cooldowns their abilities are on, and eventually you'll get an idea of what the class wants to do at any given moment. Once you've got an idea of what they want to do, you'll also know what they DON'T want you do to - namely, when to shoot them in the head when it's easiest.
Why do Genji and Hanzo have different voice actors in Japanese? I'm pretty sure their English VAs speak Japanese natively.
>>340617983
Because if there's no animu actors doing the voices in the jap version they won't buy it.
>Kills with his sword don't count towards refreshing Dash
Balanced
>>340618078
Well the Japanese lines for their ults at least do sound better.
>>340613293
The same can be said for his opponents then. His bombs are obvious as fuck, so Junkrat is completely unviable if you mean that you can just dodge them if you're competent. You do realize Genji can aim the deflected projectile? I've killed tons of Junkrats by deflection.
Trapping Tracer is the best fucking feeling ever.
>>340585998
Fuck, this is too good of a idea, does mic spamming get you banned? i want to spam rules of nature when i ult with genji.
>>340589045
check his streams. he streams for like 5 hours every other day, and every other one of those days he doesnt have his medic with him. he plays just as well without the healer on him constantly as far as i can tell
>>340618164
are you suggesting this as a nerf? would be retarded
>>340595561
>irrelevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALp59IV4Ogc
>>340576794
This is pre nerf Genji though.
>>340618348
>suggest to watch some failed tf2 pro
this is neo-/v/.
>>340586943
that's like every other match so it's impossible to avoid those matches
I love the game but I have no idea what the fuck Blizzard were thinking when designing those two character.
>>340618283
Other team can't hear voice chat anyway.
>>340595561
>>340595768
>>340596245
Overwatch is more about counterpicking than being good at shooters. Pair a Quake pro up against pros with a team full of pubs and of course they're going to lose. If you had a team full of Quake pros that practiced together like OW/TF2 pros do, then yes, they'd steamroll everyone. Especially a team full of Raphas. People seem to forget that Quake involves more mindgames than other shooters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdkDjsBiO58
>>340615916
that genji's spirit animal is a frog?
>>340618593
reminder rapha called OW moba fps.
https://www..twitch..tv/esportsarena/v/69140965?t=08h39m50s
>>340618593
Well, it wasn't even that. He had decent skill level in the game itself, but I've seen plenty of players with far better individual skill because for whatever reason this game loves matching me up with professional competitive gamers. Clockwork, Ruwin, Hyped, all those guys had much better tracking and positioning. Hyped in particular I was really surprised by, I guess I forgot he used to be one of the best arena PvP players in WoW but these days he's just Hearthstone... when we played against him and some other dudes on Lijang he pretty much demolished us with simple solid Soldier 76 tracking.
My guess is that he just hadn't played the game much, to be honest. It seems like people that came from TF2 have adapted the most quickly since the objective format, the idea of pushes and momentum, and the flexibility to change your team on the fly are all things TF2 has to differing degrees. That said there's still very good players from other game scenes like Tribes and CS:GO.
>>340618856
Sounds like he was just trying it out but wasn't taking it seriously because he didn't like it.
>>340618462
his stream is literally the first one ive ever enjoyed. fcuk you
>>340618856
Well that's what it is, basically. ASSFAGGOTS with some of the cancer removed and replaced with FPS controls (but actual FPS skill isn't really important with half the characters).
>>340618920
Rapha isn't the best technical player around. Watch that video, he wins against Cooler even though Cooler is better at technical skills like aiming (and manages to stay in the game for quite a while just by landing near-impossible shots) but Rapha still beats him by outplaying him. He's more about mindgames and positioning, two things that aren't remotely as important in Overwatch as they are in Quake due to the garbage map design.
>>340618948
It is not like an ASSFAGGOT at all and the only ones who keep calling it that are retarded.
>>340619057
It's like an ASSFAGGOTS in that team composition is more important than individual skill though.
>>340619115
>It's like an ASSFAGGOTS in that team composition is more important than individual skill though.
This is actually false. Your own characters composition against the other team, maybe. But your entire team vs. the other team, no. If you're not super high MMR then you can easily carry your teams by yourself.
>>340618938
neo-/v/
>>340619158
>If you're not super high MMR then you can easily carry your teams by yourself.
Yeah, you can carry entire teams by yourself when the enemy team is shit. That applies to almost any game.
>>340619054
how is quake level design garbage? campgrounds in quake 3 is bad because mega and red armor are 500 units from one another but the remake he played cooler on was more balanced. positioning and mindgames are important in quake too, it isn't JUST aiming. me for example, i can hit 48 percent lg average, doesn't mean shit in duels because i cant time items for shit. those "impossible shots" are the result of knowing his enemy. he knew how to play against him, his tricks, hes played against him before im sure but it isn't like he didn't know what the fuck he was doing and was all luck
>>340619207
Most people talking about the game on /v/ are not super high MMR, so team composition is not more important than individual skill.
>>340619235
I was referring to Overwatch's maps when I said the maps were garbage, not Quake.
>>340619115
Not necessarily. You can run a joke comp and stomp a pub team if your team is sufficiently better at the game than they are. Heros aren't generally as hard-countered as people like to believe they are. There's a few examples, but unless you're playing at very high MMR it's usually not actually true. A really good Zenyatta will actually kill a dogshit Widowmaker, for instance, since he can just two shot the bitch with headshots.
It's not an ASSFAGGOTS in almost every way, including the most important ways - there's no PvE, and there's no in-match power curve. Those are like the defining aspects of the genre and neither are present in Overwatch.
>>340619235
I think he was saying that Overwatch map design is bad. It's not perfect (Gibraltar actually is pretty bad at this point) but most have a lot more routes than people realize because they've never actually looked for them.
>>340619332
Don't pretend the maps are good because there are a few extra pathways that you can reach with wallrunning/flying/etc. They're barely playable and some of them (IE Anubis) aren't even that.
>>340619471
You know Anubis actually has a much higher W/L ratio for attacking teams (similar to all payload maps) at sufficiently high MMR, right? It's actually the least defensible capture point map by the statistics.
>>340619235
>>340619314
oh, sorry
>>340619332
>hard-countered as people like to believe they are
yes they are you retarded mate?
>muh high MMR
we don't know if there is mmr you retard shill.
>and there's no in-match power curve
totally not when you have ult timers man you're so fucking retarded fucking cancer shill and you spout assfaggot meme like the neo-/v/ cancer you are fucking KILL YOURSELF.
>>340577276
I agree. A good genji is so annoying. No one is able to kill him properly and he does dmg left and right.
>>340584821
I've always used Genji and never really had trouble. Sometimes it'd get drawn out because I can't aim at point blank worth shit, but it's long enough that the psychological effect of a sniper disappears.
I don't think I've ever been sniped by a Widowmaker as Genji once I try to engage them, even at extremely long distances. Maybe I've never met a good Widowmaker, but by level 30 you'd think I would have.
>>340596747
Stop shooting and don't use concussion mine till reflect is over? His reflect animation is obvious.
>>340614643
Any projectile, you can even reflect mei's ult while it's in motion to it's destination.
>>340619731
sorry fer what, our daddy taught us not to be ashamed of our dicks
specially since they're such a good size an all
>>340619980
mmm?
>>340576794
if i tried to jump in like that id be already dead. how the fuck can't the enemies hit him?
>>340584821
I keep using winston for her. He is more mobile than her, so she cant escape. His lightning pretty much destroys her trap in less than a milisecond, if she put it anywhere.
She can't really escape.
I also use him to pick their healer.
>>340620036
he is probably playing with low winrate friends so the system shits itself.
>>340620036
Have you never used Genji?
Most players are shit at close range engagements.
The only things that can kill Genji at close range are Winston, Symmetra, and maybe Reinhardt.
Pattern? They don't have to aim.
>>340575404
You're just bad.
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745194627?page=1
>>340620123
>McCree cant kill Genji
>muh reflection
>>340620215
As long as you know that McCree is actually there you should be fine. You have any number of ways of escaping his stun grenade.
>>340620271
>As long as you know that McCree is actually there you should be fine
if McCree does not crouch and flank he is bad
>>340620271
You can throw the stun in the ground which stops the reflect. Also, McCree's DPS is way higher.
>>340602107
>Not tap-firing
>>340620416
Not that guy but I think tap firing in mid to close range is useless as there really isn't much of a spread. It's only useful for long distances, otherwise it just hurts your dps.
They should make Lucio's ult give more/less shields based on how far he fell.
And by "they should" I really mean that I like the idea and want to see it implemented.
>>340619980
MMMMM!
>>340620326
Genji is inarguably the superior flanker.
>>340620626
nope
>>340620584
sounds like a fucking shit mechanic tbqh
>glitch up the side of the closest wall just so you can make your ult not shit
>>340575404
NERF DEMOMAN FUCKING STICKY SPAM GABEN FUCK YOU FAT SHIT
>>340620657
ok pal
>>340620584
That would just be an annoyance. You'd be forced to find ledges to jump off and it would only be situationally be useful.
>>340620747
A lot of the relevant spaces are enclosed. You could just jump off walls all day and then suddenly find that you're on the ceiling.
It takes a while is the only problem.
>>340575404
why does he use m2 and not m1? Isn't m1 way more damage?
>>340620685
>>340620747
Well I mean make a threshold so that even at ground level it can at least still be noticeable. But I think the current 500 is a bit too much, especially considering that McCree's DPS might be getting nerfed.
>>340620842
No. Alt-fire is faster and does more damage, but because it's a horizontal spread it needs to be used up close.
>>340620842
Apparently M2 deals more overall damage, especially at close range.
But M1 tends to hit more at medium range, which people tend to be at.
>>340620584
Would make more sense with Reinhardts hammer.
>tfw hammer time from the top edge of the tower map
>nothing else happened
>>340620842
M2 throws all three at once in a fan. M1 throws them in succession. If you're close enough that you can hit with all three shurikens or even just 2, the fan does more DPS since it has a shorter recovery.
>>340620815
>It takes a while is the only problem.
Not only that but you would be putting yourself in harms way as you're the healer and going up high and aboce makes you an easy target for snipers and pharah's.
>>340620887
It would still feel like an annoyance to me.
>But I think the current 500 is a bit too much, especially considering that McCree's DPS might be getting nerfed.
That's a different argument entirely. It is one of the best ults in the game and almost outright necessary to win games.
>>340615512
deflected mines damage junkrat
>>340620937
But then you'd have Reinhardts doing retarded things like abandoning his team to climb a fuckin' tower.
>>340621006
Maybe. I just feel that, aside from the sheer mobility granted by Lucio's wallriding, it doesn't offer much to deepen his playstyle, at least in my opinion. But meh. I guess we'll see what happens in one big lump when comp releases.
>>340621245
Yea true.
As a Roadhog bro I find Genji to be just another target for a quick combo kill, so I don't mind him.
>>340585056
>warlock
>9999999999 hp
sure
>>340614132
Symmetra is plenty useful, what are you talking about?
>>340603984
stop playing genji then
>>340585605
>Why does she whisper her ult so it's impossible for most enemies to hear it
This is so retarded, it always goes under in all the explosions and yelling.
>>340622073
You can't even hear it if you aren't close to her.
>>340603984
>>340604389
I have the same problem. The guys i have fun playing never win against a team of Mcree, Soldat, Reaper, a random wild card, some Tank and some Healer.
>>340622259
Actually i sometimes heard it, but its rare.
>>340614132
Firstly, don't make her teleporter disappear every time the spawn changes.
Move the entrance to the new spawn, or at least give us an option to do so.
Give her shields a slight buff, make them give 35 instead of 25.
Give 25 more hp as shields for herself.
Most importantly, remove Winston's ability to instadestroy your turrets, those are useless right now because of Winston rushes. Either make it so that he cannot destroy them at all, or that it takes more effort.
Other than that I think she's fine.
>>340591679
cunt i'm not him but i'm 38 and I know how tough Genji can be in the right hands dont paint me with the same brushHe probably is around that rank though true
>>340604516
surprised Junkrat isn't higher. are people just shit at hitting moving targets with his primary?
>>340601545
You don't need to have good aiming. Overwatch was made for you.
>>340623562
You literally do not need any of the other damage classes as long as Mccree exists.
>>340623648
Junkrat is pretty good for shutting down corridors and doorways without being exposed though
>>340615707
>Does that look like D.va to anyone else?
He's joking right?
>>340618283
new legendary skin for Genji
>looks almost like Raiden from MGR.
>when using ult, Rules of Nature starts playing.
I need this.
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