>mccree nerfs because E+Rclick kill combo is too toxic
what if I told you there's a mccree with 600 health and an equally reliable kill combo that works at any range and does more damage
yeah but fuck you mcnigger can just right click all day
>>340573284
>More damage
Not true, McCree does about 500 dmg Roadhog does 150 or so
>>340573284
Who? You mean roadhog?
Mcree can kill every hero in the game with his combo while roadhog can't.
>>340573284
roadhog is gigantic and slow as shit, and his hook is on a delay unlike mcree's hitscan bullets
>mcree shitters on full damage control
Nerfs can't come soon enough for you fags
>>340573717
>hitscan bullets
More like huge hitboxes
Roadhog has to actually aim his hook
>Playing Overwatch
you have already lost
>>340574040
>aiming a 40ft wide hook
>>340573284
Roadhog's hook and gun isn't nearly as powerful as WHOA THERE, EASY. Fuck off, McCreefags.
>>340573883
That's Hanzo. McCree's revolver is hitscan.
>>340573596
Roadhog's full combo tops out at around 350-400 damage with headshots
This is assuming you are good enough to right click while throwing your hook at perfect range though.
>>340574240
>McCreefags desperately trying to convince people their easymode character doesn't need to get nerfed
>>340574187
>Implying the hook is 40 feet wide
>>340573284
Let me guess, McCree player.
Enjoy your future confirmed nerf,
>>340574569
not a mccree player, just a fatass hater
>>340573284
PLUS THE GOOD ROADHOG PLAYERS ALSO THROW IN MELEE HIT
I don't play McCree but he doesn't need nerfing. If you nerf him he'll end up useless, you can counter him if you're smart, the game shouldn't be balanced around 1v1, it's a 6v6 game
Hey Lucio players,Mercy is an objectively better pick for payload.
So the hook has infinite range?
>>340574914
Hey Mercy players, your character has the lowest skill ceiling in the game
>>340574730
The nerf they say they are implementing is perfect, he could still kill any hero except a full health tank. It's bullshit that a McCree can take down a Reinhardt in one combo it's absolutely ridiculous.
>>340574914
Well that makes sense because the payload does group healing to top up the only minimally damaged and Mercy can concentrate on the heavily damaged
>>340574953
No, not at all.
>>340574972
And what does that have to do with her being the optimal choice when transporting a payload?
>>340574972
Not a Mercy player, but it's pretty easy to tell the difference between a good Mercy and a bad one.
>>340574730
>the game shouldn't be balanced around 1v1, it's a 6v6 game
This, sick of sperges shouting for nerfs because they're dumbfucks who get separated from their team and keep dying
>>340574187
>long
>>340574914
Fucking this
Lucio offers next to nothing in terms of extra damage and his passive heal is shit for active combat. His ult is almost on part with Mercy since it can be deployed proactively to counter team wiping ults but that requires the Lucio to be good. Most are fucking not.
Meanwhile Mercy heals far better and her damage buff outputs more damage on average then stray Lucio beats. Ult is also very strong since it can be used AFTER the team fucks up to save the day. Making it far more forgiving and it charges twice as fast.
If you are going to take the healing role don't be a nigger, pick Mercy.
>>340573284
stun 6-shot roll 6-shot
probably 900+ damage
your only defense: be to far away
>>340573717
>slow as shit
Do Overwatch characters even have different movespeeds?
>>340573284
Except Roadhog is pretty much useless until his hook recharges (outside of nailing people with fragmented trashballs at a very specific range) where McCree is good at any range.
Even Roadhog's shotgun regular fire is awful due to the massive spread, you do barely any damage with it unless every single pellet hits, which can only happen at point blank range so never happens so is only ever really good for finishing people off.
>>340574102
>stop liking what i don't like
Honestly his fan fire doesn't bother me nearly as much as his flashbang does that thing is just straight up annoying. Why would they assume something that removes all control from a player is fun the only time that should happen is when a player's dead. While Mei can be annoying Reinhardt has a very limited use of his stun but McCree is just awful with that grenade the majority of characters just have no counter to it.
>>340575338
nope.
I honestly think roadhogs cone should be smaller or at least a longer cooldown.
>>340575338
Yes, absolutely. A lot of them have their own movement ability as well and Lucio can provide a group based speed boost aura which can even be temporarily amplified
>>340574387
do you have a video of someone doing it?
I want to learn it.
>>340574972
That's not McCree.
>>340575238
Mercy Main here, the only place I see Lucio being better is on king of the hill because things tend to be a clusterfuck and you can get better coverage with the passive.
And
>It's a team all goes in one at a time episode, negating the entire purpose of even having a fucking healer.
>>340575471
Flashbang should have a .5 second delay primer that lasts for 6 seconds and detonates on proximity. If it lands directly on an enemy the next shot detonates it.
>>340575238
Except Lucio can
>heal the whole team at once with his aura
>speedboat most the whole team with his aura
>knock people off the map
>avoid being hit with his manlet hitbox
>deal the same amount of damage as a mercy if played correctly
>prevent massive damage ults and push aggressively with his ult
Mercy is only good for her ult. Lucio can do so much more. Speed aura is broken if used correctly.
>>340574914
>mfw Luciofags on /v/ keep spamming that he's the best support and Mercy is useless
>mfw his pick rate in tournaments dropped from 100% and he's rotated out with Symmetra of all people on some maps
>>340575651
At least McCree has to get close enough to people.
Mercy just hides behind a corner holding heal indefinitely, not even aiming properly
>>340575612
You are meant to shoot the trashball at them, have it blow up and hit them, throw the hook at them before it blows up, pull them in, meatshot them then melee them.
>>340575701
that is one upset horse!
>>340573596
McCree's combo does a maximum potential damage of 865. (25 from Flashbang, 420 from each Fan The Hammer)
>>340574914
But Lucio's speed mode speeds up the payload.
>>340573284
you mean widowmaker bodyhit spam?
>>340575471
>>340575706
Because if there's no immobilization skills then characters with insanely high mobility like Tracer and Genji will be over powered.
You ever play against a good tracer on KOTH? That bitch drags over time out FOREVER.
>>340575651
McCree has a substantially high skill ceiling.
That's part of his problem. Even if you remove his flashbang he's still very good in the hands of someone who can hit his shots. His flashbang just lets retards get easy kills without any retaliation.
Grandpa 76 is the best meme to come out of Overwatch
prove me wrong
>it's an 'a bunch of idea guys spout their shitty uneducated opinions' episode
>>340574972
Lucio takes way less skill to be good at than mercy.
>>340573284
>>>/vg/
it's a nice place
>>340573284
>>>/vg/
go here
McCree's combo does about 800 damage and can one-shot literally everything, including Roadhog, Reinhardt (can throw the flashbang above his shield) and molten core turrets (flashbang works on them)
Roadhog's combo only reliably kills squishies, or at the very least doesn't instantly murder tanks
I don't understand how people think McCree isn't broken and he's supposed to be able to 100-0 tanks with ease and win 1v2s
>>340575925
The babby Dva ones are better.
>>340575985
>>340576071
>17:43:33
>17:44:34
>>340575985
>>340576071
You're too late for that janitor position, Mr. Freeman.
>>340575967
Lucio involves actual aiming and can't keep somebody up if they're <30% health taking damage.
Mercy is way too much of a safety net
>mfw people get emotionally invested with characters in a game where you're supposed to pick the best hero for the job
>>340576180
why not both?
>>340575985
>>340576071
Holy fuck dat salt.
>>340574914
Hey Mercyfags, how does it feel being useless aside from your ult.
http://www.pcgamer.com/the-stats-dont-lie-lucio-is-overwatchs-most-valuable-hero/
>Symmetra is currently sitting pretty with the highest overall winrate at 61.7%, but is also the least picked of any hero. Meanwhile Mercy is bringing up the rear with a 48% winrate, despite being the most-picked hero in the game followed closely in popularity by Lucio who, as mentioned, is near or at the top of pretty much every column.
Stop complaining about 1v1 faggot, the game will never be balanced around that
>>340575745
>heal the whole team at once with his aura
At a piddle pace. As I mentioned, useless in combat. Kinda handle post fight but all it takes is a Mercy changing targets for half a second.
>speedboat most the whole team with his aura
Sounds incredibly useful. Only used a single team the entire match at the very beginning. No one ever switching to speed in fights and 1 person if you're lucky died at the same point you did to get back into the fight at faster pace.
>knock people off the map
Very very map specific. More of a perk then a strength.
>avoid being hit with his manlet hitbox
The only fucking reason this piece of shit character is even remotely viable.
>deal the same amount of damage as a mercy if played correctly
Not exactly a huge plus since Mercy is a heal slut and Lucio is supposed to be the "offensive" healing support. Also it usually isn't even true if you have a half decent damage dealer on your team. That damage boost is fucking nutty on someone who can aim.
>prevent massive damage ults and push aggressively with his ult
Already covered this. Lucio has to be proactive with his ult which means the player must have his shit on a swivel. Mercy can just fly in and rez the entire team after the enemy expends all their ults.
Overall Mercy is better.
>>340575886
>Have a McGree owning snipers and other people at long range.
>Enemy team McGree gets a card because he had the intelligence of a 4 year or to spam flash and right click.
>The game actually rewards you by using McGree as a retard.
>>340573284
Dude just use junkrat.
And stay at a relative distance from any McCree.
>McCree trying to "whoa there, easy" me
>deploy bear trap and bombs and explode the fuck away
>kill the fucker with bombs
>>340576221
>Mercy's main advantage means she doesn't take skill.
>Lucio's passive AOE heal requires aiming.
>>340574102
But I win most rounds.
This game needs a bunnyhopping railgun using hero.
>>340576345
where the fuck is the uncensored version
>>340575884
True. I bring Mei for that but I see your point. Issue is he terminates tanks like nothing with that same flash/fan combo. It doesn't just rekt squishy fast mover. It fucking bends over the entire roster.
>>340576490
but it already has mccree
>>340575442
Liked it for a week then I realized it's a casual shitfest. Any mechanic worth actually learning is countered by the press of a button.
Denying it's a shitty casual FPS just makes you even more autistic
>>340576194(you)
>>340576217(you)
>>340576243(you)
>>340576345
>competative teams run 2 Lucios on KotH
>anon on /v/ claims Lucio is barely viable
>>340576508
In my folder. Cannot post because I like this 4chan pass.
>Overwatch
>competitive
>>340575192
Isn't Reaper useless as fuck until he gets an Ult?
>>340576624
>koth
>game mode where pushing or defending isn't relevant and the only objective is to stay alive the longest in a particular area
>horseshit hitbox wall riding self healing Dj pollywog is popular
You don't say?
>>340576624
Anon they'll just say the competitive teams have no idea what they're doing, while at the same time not getting a team together and winning what should essentially be free money to them.
>>340573284
Look forward to about 5000% more Roadhogs who can now heal through any damage in the game with mcree nerfed
>>340576345
>Not exactly a huge plus since Mercy is a heal slut and Lucio is supposed to be the "offensive" healing support. Also it usually isn't even true if you have a half decent damage dealer on your team. That damage boost is fucking nutty on someone who can aim.
>Damage boost a widowmaker as the round starts on hanamura.
>4 assists in 30 seconds.
>>340576781
so is Lucio good or is he not
you seem confused
Roadhog's hook has to be on point and he's a big target with no mobility ability.
McCree is a small target that can roll and his flashbang only need to be aimed in the general direction of his target.
>>340574914
I tend to have more fun withZenyettaon payload attack
I kick ass with Junkrat on defence though
>>340576419
And it does such little healing it's fucking useless in an actual battle if somebody is being focused down
>>340575564
everyone has the same movespeed except for genji and tracer who are slightly faster
>>340576345
If you believe that speed boost is only viable at the beginning of the round, then you obviously haven't played long enough to see a good Lucio.
>>340574387
> With Headshots
McCree's does that much without the headshots.
>>340576624
>Saying Lucio is barely viable
>The original post said that Mercy is a better choice for Payload.
wew
>>340576898
He is good at staying alive while doing nothing.
>>340576723
Reaper destroys snipers for the team
>>340575192
How does a character with a teleport move have a low skill ceiling?
>>340575165
Not a 1v1? Tell that to the paste eaters I have been stuck with the past 35+ levels as they go chasing after Tracers, Widowmakers, and anyone else who can easily get away while I just cleared the point/payload.
>>340576817
thx
>>340576969
Level 72
When do the "good" Lucio's show up?
>>340576345
Post the D.Va one.
>>340573284
Roadhog has zero longe-range options.
>>340573284
No, McCree needs a nerf badly. I got sniped by his "HIIIIIGH NOOOON" in Temple of Anubis from half the map away.
>>340577036
>not dieing is essential to winning
>Lucio is great at not dieing
>therefore Lucio is shit
>>340575564
No. Genji, tracer, Lucio have faster speed. Everyone else is the same
Lucio's healing isn't strong enough to be effective, Mercy will always be better
>>340573284
>equally reliable
you have to aim the hook, you dont have to aim the flashbang
also the hook is far less reliable, sometimes you won't kill sommeone with 1 flak gun shot for some reason, or the hook will fail to pull them directly in front of you and put them to your side
also max range hooks give you enough time to back away or use an escape ability before roadhog can instakill you
if you actually play roadhog you'll find the hook is really not as good as you think it is
>>340577071
>Trying to capture the point after clearing it out with Zarya ult and a Soldier 76
>team is running around trying to chase a Genji
EVERY.
FUCKING.
TIME
>>340577049
The teleport move isn't even remotely hard to use or tactical
>>340577203
>hook
>>340577126
You're not level 72
>>340577278
>or tactical
Except when clearing out snipers or healers
>People crying for Mccree nerfs
>Mercy's ult generation rate is still fucking insane
>Widowmaker charge time untouched
>Zenyatta still allergic to existing
Not that Mccree didn't need it but Blizzard hasn't even addressed the rest.
>>340577206
should've taken cover faggot
>>340577126
When you get out of your shit skill level.
>>340577235
Lucio can actually do some sick montage plays instead of being a bitch
>>340577280
It doesnt have as good a range as people seem to think. Plus at a certain distance its easy to see it coming towards you.
>>340577203
It'd be hilarious if Valve added a kiwi hero and he had a similar aesthetic to the two australian heroes
>>340577213
>who is better at helping the team?
>champion that heals the front line and buffs damage along with reviving fallen friendlies
>champion that is hard to kill does mediocre healing and must ult before the enemy to prevent wipes
Gee wilikers I dun no
>>340577278
Okay, that means it has a low skill floor, not ceiling
>>340577225
Is that only Lucio with his movement aura though?
>>340577280
That's mid range
>>340576723
He melts tanks if used correctly.
>>340574914
I'll be happy to pick Mercy as soon as she gets a singing voiceline of "MOVING WITH DA PAYLOAD"
>>340577341
>>Mercy's ult generation rate is still fucking insane
She needs something over Lucio.
>>340577341
There are two ways to buff zenyatta
Either give him armor or increase his health by 25
Both will allow him to survive one widow bodyshot
>>340575238
>one of the most famous "military strategy in a nutshell" quotes ever written is "get there firstest with the mostest"
>pretty much lucio what lucio does in a nutshell
Mercy has no reliable escape and can easily be singled out and rekt by any flanker. Lucio can bug out at any time and also has his knockback cannon.
Mercy is pretty much a Bastion-tier "OP" gimmick for nubs that don't know how to counterpick and focus.
What the fuck am I supposed to do when the team on defense has 2 torbjorns and a Bastion this is beyond retarded why haven't THESE faggots been nerfed yet who gives a fuck about Mccree
>>340577341
I hope Blizzard addresses a lot of dumb shit
>Soldier 76 has a pistol he never uses
>Symmetra turrets can be destroyed through walls
>Zenyatta can trigger junk traps (this nigga's floating how the shit)
>Zarya's M1 sounds incredibly pitiful even when fully charged
>Hanzo hitboxes
>>340576578
>casual FPS
I like those. You can't say i don't.
Widowmaker is the biggest threat you will face, people over level 40 knows this.
>>340577540
>Mercy has no reliable escape
Holy shit have you ever played Mercy?
>>340577542
use 3 genjis
>>340577637
>There's always a teammate nearby that's not behind a wall
Did you think before you posted?
>>340577606
It's fun
Well, most of the time
>>340577385
>mediocre healing
>still out heals a Mercy player every game with his aura
Mercy is so shit that she needs her ult to revive the people she fails to heal.
>>340577542
>Pick Reinhardt
>stand in front of team with shield up
>they blow up the turrets/Bastion
Wow that was fucking hard.
>>340577542
Junkrat
>>340577393
I've never seen one Reaper player being completely better than another
The skill floor is the skill ceiling for Reaper
Mercyfags in denial,
>The most popular hero and has a shitty winrate.
>lucio is the only popular hero near or ontop of every aspect in the game
>Muh mercy is better buaaah.
>>340577542
Soldier 76 is pretty good agaisnt them
>>340577540
>one of the most famous "military strategy in a nutshell" quotes ever written is
>one of the most famous
>famous
>"get there firstest with the mostest"
There is no cure for autism. You must kill yourself.
>>340576687
You forgot to add:
"pick one"
*cough* 20 tickrate *cough*
Why is everyone so "me, me, me!" in this game
>>340577540
>Mercy has no reliable escape and can easily be singled out and rekt by any flanker.
lolno.
Unless you're a dumbfuck who for some reason is separated from your team as a healer
Enjoy watching your team die with your pitiful healing Luciofags
>>340577542
Winston is good at taking out turrets.
Hes completely fucking useless against Bastion though.
>>340577792
Yes, that's the line. Read a book faggot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest
>>340577606
More power to you
I just keep getting told:
>its not a casul gaem XDDD its viry hard
>>340577734
I honestly don't think I've been outhealed by a Lucio in a match. Can someone who mains Lucio toss me their average healing per match? I'm genuinely curious now.
>>340577601
>Soldier 76 has a pistol he never uses
Characters having weapons on their model that they don't use is nothing new. Junkrat has pipe bombs on his harness, but he doesn't use those. There's an armor in Dark Souls 3 with a knife on the belt that you can't use. Sometimes stuff is just there for aesthetics, try to not let it trigger your autism.
>>340577540
Lucio vs Mercy is fucking pointless because you want BOTH on the team unless it's KotH, at which point Lucio is obviously better.
>>340577850
Wow another person who underestimates Lucio. What a shock. Stay free. :^)
>>340577740
Is that even possible
>>340577740
More like
>Pick Reinhardt
>stand in front of team with shield up
>my teammates nowhere to be found running around playing solo
>die in 2 seconds because broken fucking damage
yup it really was hard anon
>>340575338
>>340575564
>>340576945
When it comes to base movement speed:
Tracer and Genji = 6 meters per second moving forward
Everyone else = 5.5 m/s
Add in movement abilities and each of them become significantly different.
Lucio with Speed Aura (and those in range) move at 7.1 m/s
Amped Up, that speed boost becomes 11.666 m/s
Soldier 76 using Sprint = 8.25 m/s
D.va while shooting is only 1.25 m/s
While Boosting, 12.5 m/s
Reinhardt's charge makes him the fastest moving hero in the game at 16.666 m/s, but of course he can only use it once every ten seconds.
In comparison, Tracer's Blink instantly moves her ahead several meters and recharges much faster, still allowing her to outrun everyone.
>>340577928
Lucio when amped up still seems to have less healing than mercy, but mercy can only heal one at a time
Mercy has better raw numbers, but lucio's versatility is unmatched
>>340578008
Then you weren't going to win anyways.
>Be Mercy
>Oh shit our best DPS is getting focused down
>Don't worry i'll just heal him all the way back up
>Now i'll give him damage boost to tear them apart
>Hey look, somebody else was a retard and died. Here's a res
>Be Lucio
>LISTEN TO MY SICK BEATS BRO
>GOTTA GO FAST
>LOOK AT MY AOE HEAL
>oh shit they focused that dude down and it's too late to save him
>>340577875
I know it was said.
You made the claim it was "famous". It isn't and by and large is a retarded strategy to boot.
>>340577126
When you quit being shit son level has nothing to do with match making. Speed boost can make it even harder to hit lucio then it all ready is.
>>340577779
no quints
>>340577727
>Letting yourself get cut off from the rest of the team.
>Not always near the center of the team to best be able to zip around and heal who needs it.
Choosing to be stupid doesn't mean the character can't reliably move with a lot of freedom.
>>340576850
>implying McCree is Roadhog's only counter
>lose match
>I'm the only card on my team at the end
Was it still my fault we lost?
>>340577341
Forgot about the terrible tickrate
>>340578151
again
>HE IS ***REALLY*** HARD TO KILL SO HE IS BETTER!
Dipshits. The lot of you.
>>340574972
>Mercy is bad
>I can't get easy kills constantly while buffing and healing my team
The playerbase is absolutely braindead and nobody sees you as a threat. 90% of players probably don't even realize she has a gun.
I've gotten 20 kills in a game that lasted like 4 minutes.
Mercy is free wins, people see boombox nigger as a threat and play more cautiously against him.
They'll chase mercy around a corner at 50 hp because they don't realize she can shoot them.
>>340578140
>Autists really can't see the utility of both healers varies by situation
You fags will argue about anything.
>>340577949
What do you think Junkrat drops when he dies?
>>340578291
>I know better than competitive players!
>>340577341
>>Mercy's ult generation rate is still fucking insane
don't know about that one.
>>Widowmaker charge time untouched
>>Zenyatta still allergic to existing
yes please
>>340578050
Does Lucio's speed boost affect 76s sprint?
>>340578291
>Contesting the objective and payload solo to hold off the whole enemy team
>not useful
Nigger please
>>340577036
You haven't played with a good Lucio then because I've had many games where my team won simply because I chose him. Average eliminations I have on him are at 17, constant healing that leads me to Believe that the shitters in this thread don't even understand how good his healing is in Combat and if you're good he can 1v1 any non tank character with ease. While mercy is great you forgot or don't know how amazing a team can be with both.
>>340578140
>Be mercy
>be only viable in low skill level games because team is dying constantly
>Be Lucio
>be viable in high skill level games
>team has just enough healing to stay in the fight at all times
>speedboost keeps us from getting hit
>ult allows us to push hard objectives without dying
>>340578369
>don't know about that one.
>heal 3 people from moderate damage
>ult
I'm a Mercy slut and even I know it is fucking ridiculous. I've ulted 3 times in a single fight. Not normal but 2 ults is.
>>340578183
You'd be amazing at what fucking bullshit pubs will pull on you. Most times they're on other sides of the map.
>>340575884
This is sort of a consequence of how shitty overtime is.
>>340577241
>It's a "hooked Genji ends up behind me" episode
>it's a "hooked Pharah gets stuck on level geometry" episode
>it's a rerun
>>340574914
Lucio is more fun and cooler than Mercy.
>>340578302
People don't think Lucio even does anything, period. Mercy has her giant Heal Ray drawing attention to her. Lucio just skates around and invisibly makes the entire team bulletproof.
Maybe they'll start to focus him after word gets around, but he is probably the most subtle character in terms of function there is. He just runs around and runs away and shoots his annoying globules. Both Mercy and de-meched D.Va have surprising damage output though.
>>340574914
>Mercy is better than Lucio
>Implyingthey aren't both good in their own separate ways
>>340578075
I don't know, being able to focus on who needs health when they're critical and under fire is pretty versatile, especially since you CAN keep someone alive when they're being focused on in comparison to others. Mercy has a ton of tools at her disposal when it comes to genuine healing, especially since she has balls to the fucking wall mobility. I'd take a Mercy in defense any day, if only because if it's a more small area you can cover your Reinhardt and the DPS and still sling over to the Widowmaker when she gets chipped somewhat.
Not saying Lucio is bad, but I'd still rather have Mercy in anywhere that isn't king of the Hill.
>>340578369
>>340577465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r4ldCRrkp4
>>340578687
>invisibly makes the entire team bulletproof.
Except if any competent team actually focuses on somebody.
Lucio doesn't heal enough to keep somebody up facing major damage, Mercy does
I'd rather play Lucio just because it's easier babysitting rando dumbasses with an AOE heal.
>>340578834
You seem to be forgetting Lucios fucking amp.
>>340574914
There's no reason not to have a Mercy and Lucio for every team, especially defense. The two combined are extremely powerful and make the game agonizing.
>>340578771
She's supposed to be "PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEE I SHOOT A BIG BEAM" focus bait like Bastion/Widowmaker/every other OP character to make up for her heal output and constant rezzing.
>>340578140
>Be mercy
>Oh shit our best DPS is getting forcused down
>I can't do anything because i'm too busy healing him and McCree, Reaper, Roadhog, Junkrat, Pharah, and almost every character in the game outdamages my heals
>He's dead, better use my ult!
>Oh i died, and my entire team is dead because a Lucio ulted.
>>340578840
Plus you actually have a chance of escaping if all your teammates bite the dust. Sanic speeding away from an entire enemy team is incredibly satisfying.
>>340577949
I'd just prefer to have more options.
I'm starting to hit that point in Overwatch where it's starting to lose any semblance of depth.
And just because other people do it doesn't excuse bad design
>>340578941
>It's ok to have a team rezz ult up 24/7
No
>>340578924
It honestly makes me wonder if heal classes shouldn't be abolished. They're pretty much essential and no one reaalllyyy likes playing them. They limit composition choice more than enhance it.
>>340579000
Unless the guy you're healing is a total fucking retard, like single digit IQ, he shouldn't die with you focus healing him
>>340579000
>I can't do anything because i'm too busy healing him and McCree, Reaper, Roadhog, Junkrat, Pharah, and almost every character in the game outdamages my heals
>And almost every character in the game outdamages my heals
Anon you really can't be this wrong.
>>340579126
Mercy can't outheal a mcree and reaper or any of those combos. Phara and junkrat alone will two shot anyone who isn't a tank if they can aim.
>>340578941
And she has a stupidly strong tool to get out of those situations, don't even fucking try to tell me that a resurrection skill is allowed to charge that quickly just because she has a target on herself.
That shit needs to charge a fraction of what it does currently, because it's annoying for the enemy team to pile in, all die to kill half our team, to have Mercy pop in and instantly res the entire enemy team with zero counter play and after 30 seconds of healing and damage buffing.
Literally every other ult has some form of counter play or way to deal with it. Mercy's doesn't.
>>340579093
Speak for yourself mang, I pretty much exclusively play healers and support classes. In most other games I played getting a good tank has been much more difficult
>>340577889
Mechanically it is pretty casual but superior teamwork will beat out mechanically skilled players every time. And that is where the skill comes in. Just look at that recent tournament where all these quake all-stars with impeccable mechanics lost to people who were just better at coordinating.inb4 >tournament/competetive
>>340579000
>I can't multitask! Mercy is shit!
>>340579126
Good luck outhealing damage that exceeds their max HP in a second.
>>340574730
Then why does Mccree need to be able to instant kill every character in the game 1v1?
>>340579303
Well yes, if you get McCree'd then Mercy can't help you, but that's true for any character.
But in most situations, with a good player, you're able to outheal
>>340579297
Exactly. Mercy can't multitask. That's the fucking point.
>>340577341
>Mcree didn't need it
are you shitting me?
He can practically one-shot every tank hero in the game.
Every tank hero has a huge hitbox so all of his fan the hammer shots are going to connect if you just M2 in their general direction.
His fan the hammer needed a nerf. He needs to be able to win duels with smaller heroes but be unable to fucking faceroll a tank
>>340579297
Nigger that is what this discussion is about the Aoe healer who can multitask or the one who can only heal one person at a time. Are you retarded?
>>340579447
>Bad mercies can't multitask
I fixed that for you anon.
>>340578389
Yes it does. I'm pretty sure that D.Va booster and Reinhardt charge are unaffected by it, though.
>>340573883
no he meant hitscan bullets
dumbass
The only people that complain about roadhog are people that don't want to switch the offensive hero they are playing to something else because 'muh main'
>>340579549
Reading comprehension nigga
>>340574387
>Overly complex combo doesn't even do as much damage as a mcree
Fuck it
>>340579261
You're right, but without that aspect it is pretty much casual trash
>>340579434
It's not just McCree, it's Widowmaker too, and that's if they don't just try to kill you instead. Good luck dealing with two Winstons.
>>340575769
that is in no way reliable, if it was the pros would use him more, but hog almost never gets picked in comp. the only combo thats reliable with hog is hook+meatshot+melee and the shit is like 200ish.
>>340579562
Nigga you can't keep the whole team up at once as mercy that is not an option. That is why she has a rezz she has to pick priority's on who to heal first and who might bite the dust.
>>340579261
Got a name for the tournament?
I'd like to see high level Overwatch, genuinely interested in seeing how it plays out.
>>340579560
I'm arguing that Mercy can heal quickly enough and a good one will prioritize who needs to be healed and when to be able to best support their team. Mercy can choose who to heal very fucking quickly and covers a much further range than Lucio. Sure, you lose people, but in all of those situations you lose people as Lucio as well.
>>340579609
It's not like you can't outrange Roadhog and ruin his day due to his giant as fuck hitbox. It's very easy to charge your ult off of him.
>>340578771
Holy fuck that streamer has pure concentrated autism
Honestly I never had any problems with mcree once I learnt that Genji can reflect his flashbangs.
it works heaps more often than it should since mcfucks are predicable as all hell
>>340579609
Roadhog is a great offense hero though
>>340579934
Same problem as with McCree VS Tracer or Genji VS Bastion
Tracer can easily bait out McCree stun if the player is good
Bastion can wait until Genji stops and instagib him
>>340579783
http://www.gosugamers.net/overwatch/events/513-esports-arena-s-agents-rising
VODs are on the right hand side and the quake guys are on a team called Sill Here (SH!).
>reinhardt shield
>people go in front of it to shoot
>>340579686
I agree. And I play it for the same reason I played Dota and LoL when they were new. It was easy to get my friends to hop in and play with me and just fuck around.
>>340580218
Some people don't think you can shoot threw it. I have had to tell people that more then once.
>>340578389
I believe so. If the multiplier is constant, then 76's Sprint combined with an Amped Up Speed Boost would give him 17.5 m/s movement speed.
>>340577928
Assuming the team sticks together, Lucio can heal more than Mercy as his Aura will be hitting everybody. In any big battle, Lucio will be keeping everyone healed, even if each person is getting 12.5 healing per second compared to Mercy giving 50 healing per second to one target.
Because Lucio is ALWAYS healing everyone in range, he immediately starts recovering their health. A Mercy Player is far more likely to focus on keeping one hero topped off, not gaining any more heal points since they're still full and potentially missing the opportunities to heal the others.
Add on Lucio's Amping Up his healing to 40/sec and it's not surprising to see how easy it is for Lucio to match if not best Mercy in healing output.
Tactically, Mercy is a pocket medic for one or a few nearby heroes when a fight breaks out. Swapping back and forth in anything other than ideal play means downtime of people not being healed. She can't heal and shoot at the same time. Her damage buff is again the kind of thing where you want to stay focused on to a single hero for when they perform an attack. Her Ultimate cleans up messes with resurrection, but it's a reactionary skill. People can die at any inopportune time in any place, dying is not a thing you'd deliberately do to setup a gameplan.
Lucio is more viable in high skill play because he can fight and support everyone all at the same time, granting a great deal of survivability and the ability to get to the objective more quickly. His Ultimate is an active one that helps in a push. You organize with the team, go in and LET'S BREAK IT DOWN to buff up your next charge. A Lucio doesn't even have to be doing anything and he will still passively be helping the team.
Fucking Hanzo is such bullshit and I love it
I can't even get mad at him after playing him
>>340573284
3/10 bait. Got me to reply.
McCree has has no survivability whatsoever nor an ability to flank or escape, no mobility, no self heal, no damage block, he is completely carried by a good tank protecting him, and teamwork is always OP.
>>340580307
kinda wish he wasn't a bargain widowmaker. edgy and cool design, but he's not as op as the other option. fuck his scatter tho
>>340580115
I never really have any problems with Genji vs Bastion either since I always reflect from right next to cover so I can get away once reflect finishes or if possible I do it from right next to the turret fuck so that I can jump around like a spastic monkey on cocaine causing him to miss due to needing to spin and look up/down constantly to hit me
>>340580282
>A Mercy Player is far more likely to focus on keeping one hero topped off, not gaining any more heal points since they're still full and potentially missing the opportunities to heal the others.
I have to call bullshit on this, you're supposing that the Mercy player is playing poorly and everyone is receiving enough damage all at once while also supposing that the team is clustered together.
>>340579713
Yeah, that's meant to be the ideal combo but it doesn't always work out. I play Roadhog a lot and I don't really bother with it, I usually just go for the hook, meatshot, melee combo most of the time.
>>340580563
Widowmaker at least takes some modicum of skill with a mouse, Hanzo is just fire and forget AND ON TOP OF THAT is his OP scatter, his amazing enemy scan ability, and his piece of shit through the walls ultimate
If he had some kind of health nerf or something I could see him being more balanced, as a character who's designed to stay back and just fire arrows, he doesn't need the extra hp
>>340580781
Are you retarded? Hanzo is one of the worst characters in the game.
>>340579713
whatever the combo is, it oneshots reaper and mei at full health before they can shift out
>>340580845
he is both terrible and incredibly irritating though
>>340580781
>Hanzo needs a nerf
>a-at least Widowmaker takes skill
Do widowfags honestly believe this?
>>340580781
He needs more HP to be considered viable actually. He has shit mobility, mostly why he's considered trash in competitive.
Though, I don't exactly think 250 HP would fix him. They balanced him around having literally Tracer's ult on E probably lol
>>340575859
Is this true?
>>340574914
Ohh baby these doujins
>don't get close enough to McCree to allow him to pull it off
>Don't get separated from your team
Hey look you survived
>>340581160help me out, anon.
>>340580961
He's considered trash in competitive because:
A) Squishy
B) Zero mobility
C) Less damage than Widowmaker and his arrows aren't hitscan
D) Zero ability to duel like Widowmaker or McCree
E) His ult isn't anything other than area denial against a coordinated team
F) Sonic arrow is redundant AND worse than Widowmaker's ult, which charges ridiculously fast because of her bullshit damage.
There is no reason whatsoever to take him over Widowmaker.
>>340581343
>Just don't take damage ever :^)
>>340574914
What if I'm part of a Lucio/mercy tag team who's coordinating together?
>>340578140
>50hps
>outhealing dps on someone being focused
Lolwut
>>340581343
>pubs
>sticking as a team
>>340581575
Unless they're standing in the open and not reacting to what is happening you'll keep them up
>>340581393
Pretty much this, thanks for clarifying, faggot
>>340581393
His arrows charge faster and are more useful at closer quarters.
His ult weakens or disperses the enemy team or gets them off the point for a few seconds
His projectile hitboxes are bullshit, like firing invisible tree trunks
Shotgun arrow is decent vs squishies
>>340581603
I actually just played one and everyone on my defense team picked Mei
We took turns rotating walls and managed to win the other team was so fucking salty spamming BG while spammed Trump quotes
most fun I've had in awhile playing vidya tbqh
>>340581742
widow has an assault rifle, wtf are you talking about
>>340581913
>25 damage with shit spread
not that fag I prefer Widow over Hanzo but her rifles shit
>>340580274
>threw
>>340582005
doesn't matter when you use it for CQC,snake
>>340581742
>His arrows charge faster
Barely, 0.74 full charge arrows per second vs 0.71 full charge shots per second.
>and are more useful at closer quarters.
Fuck no, git gud.
>His ult weakens or disperses the enemy team or gets them off the point for a few seconds
This is what area denial means.
>His projectile hitboxes are bullshit, like firing invisible tree trunks
Which is irrelevant when you're comparing it to 100% accurate hitscan shots that do more damage than your arrows do. 125 vs 150 is not an academic difference - it's the difference between one-hit killing characters like Zenyatta and Tracer with a bodyshot and not.
>Shotgun arrow is decent vs squishies
And so is Widowmaker's sniper.
>>340573284
>Seriously comparing flashbang fan the hammer roll fan the hammer to Roadhog's shift+click
There are people actually this retarded.
>>340573284
Overwatch players are a bunch of cry babies. I had one bitch at me the other day because I killed him during a taunt.
In the middle of the damned battlefield.
>>340581016
Yes.
>>340576345
>an ult that only works if your team is fucking dead is better than an ult the protects the team while they're alive
Fucking stop posting anytime
Mercy is a better healer but requires thought. Lucio buffs by just existing which is why he's used more. He takes the human element out of it moreso than Mercy so there's less room for error.
Theoretically a perfect Mercy who is buffing and healing everyone at the highest level is more valuable.
>>340582191
>and are more useful at closer quarters.
>Fuck no, git gud.
There's a reason why nobody remains fully scoped with sniper rifles when moving around
>125 vs 150
Why are we not headshotting with those tree trunk arrows?
>And so is Widowmaker's sniper.
She doesn't have a tool to kill around corners. You can bodyshot a 200 hp hero and kill them around the corner with a quick scatter
How good is Soldier 76competitively?
I was gonna write him off as generic shootan dude, but nigga's great.
>sprinting everywhere
>flank niggas and shooting them
>harass and hit and run at better ranges than tracer
>healing and being a temp sentry
He probably ain't OP, but he's a good fit everywhere.
Reminder that the damage boost is less than your DPS with Mercy's sidearm on everything but ults, Bastion, and very few other exceptions.
>>340582786
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcIEY9-mPn4
>>340574972
I feel that Guardian Angel(when you have the default off) separates the Mercy that gets killed and the one that plays around her teammates positions to be truly evasive. Knowing when to pocket, when to top off the team and when to defend yourself or attack a nigga instead of right clicking are things you won't pick up right away so she does have -a- skill ceiling but I really do think it's nothing compared to Lucio's.
>>340575192
Knowing when to flank and where to teleport takes some practice.
>>340582782
>clicking someone requires thought
>looking at bars which are low and clicking them
>thought
Kek
Healer is the most braindead dogshit in any game
>>340573284
Does anybody have the tracer Wojack?
>>340582791
If Mccree couldn't instant kill any character in the game, soldier would instantly overtake him.
>>340582791
in my opinion, he's good on Payload and King of the Hill. Otherwise other characters break defenses better or defend better.
>>340582993
is that man even human?
>>340583040
Also clicking without even needing to aim, and there's a toggle connection option.
So much skill.
>>340583040
Compared to Lucio is the point you're missing.
Having to actually move around and make critical decisions requires thought.
Lucio's decisions are
>Make everyone fast
>Make everyone survive
And then he just runs around.
>>340582791
He's OK but you won't see him as long as McCree or Widow are top tier. It's hard to compete when they can both blow you right the fuck up in two shots.
>>340576071
>>340575985
witnessed
>>340582791
If you can reliably track and drop enemies, you're always good somewhere. His competitive strength is skewed right now because of McCree shenanigans, but I'd certainly expect to see more 76 post-Fan the Hammer nerf that's coming up soon.
>>340583160
Not even half as good as Q3 pros were.
>>340583165
Runs around, and shoots people with a projectile weapon - this is important in determining skill required in an FPS game.
Mercy is afk and braindead because if you're using a healing beam you aren't leading shots with your pistol, you're basically just watching shit go down, clicking people that are low, maybe hitting a button once to boost their damage instead, and running around.
>>340580845
He is good in a pub stomp. You can also win any trade with a widow maker because you can spam them arrows and force her to not stand stationary and fight you. Only widows that can beat you are swing shooters. and if they are doing that they are good widows.
>>340578771
junkrat gets charge too easy as well
>people thing roadhog is op
He hands out free ult charge to carries, he's situationally great in the hands of a main and just ok overall
also mercy is a better solo support unless you're playing koth, if you want to real meta tryhard you need a mercy + lucio or mercy +symmetra depending on the map
>>340583515
Yeah, but at least the fucking tire can be destroyed. The only way to stop Mercy's is to flat out keep her away from the entire enemy team.
Ultimate gain rate all around needs to be reduced, but shit like Mercy's needs to be gutted.
>>340577845
casual playerbase right now just wait till ranked
So with Roadhog's hook, should I left or right click for insta-gib?
Lucio is better in Clusterfuck situations where no focusing is taking place. IE KOTH and any pub game. This is why his win rate is much higher on Master overwatch.
Mercy is better on organized teams that have to deal with smart opponents that focus them down one at a time. She also doesn't do as well on teams of lone wolves because of this. It's why her win rate is so low.
Mercy's ult is also way better in terms of effective health gained. Usually a good team will have two tanks and two squishies capable of dealing damage + another random hero depending on the situation. A rezzing that will result from a mercy waiting behind and allowing her team to die will result in over 1700 health the other team has to burn through. More if there are winstons with ults charged.
Lucio's ult does a static boost of something around 200 health to those in range. This health decreases on its own. It also charges much slower. It is vastly inferior to a Mercy rez.
This post will be ignored in favor of shitposting.
>>340583914
This list is fucking whack and retarded.
>>340583914
I still don't understand how Mei is not used at ALL.
Like I get she's not broken like pub shitters thing.
But being able to shut the team out with walls, stay alive, invulnerable and capping with her heal and shut down not only 1v1 situations but team situations with her ult and spraying into crowds...
>>340584256
Except it's taken from competitive play you brainless retard, your opinion literally does not matter.
>>340573284
>more damage
Roadhog damage is random as fuck and combo sometimes doesn't even kill 200hp targets, meanwhile McRREEEEEE can kill Roadhog from full health with E + Right Click + Shift + Right Click
Max damage from Roadhog right/left click is 225, but you're never going to hit all pellets on a small target even if you're right up their ass. You can however do so with the right click assuming it explodes right before their hitbox (since the initial spread is smaller)
>>340583914
>Mei
I don't fucking care what competive fucks say or pick I don't care that shes not broken or OP but fuck that fat bitch. She should just not shut you down on contact if you aren't mcree fuck you mei you aren't fun to play against
>>340573284
roadhog requires you to land a hook with a cooldown.
Fan has no cooldown and can kill 90% of the fucking cast in it's first use.
>>340573284
Nerf's coming Mcfaggots. Cry your heart out.
340583914
Hopefully people ignore your post because you're retarded.
>More if there are winstons with ults charged.
I guess Rein's shield, Mei's freeze, Mei's Wall Lucio's Heal, another Mercy's heal, another Mercy's ult, Winston's shield, D.Va's shield, Zarya's shield, Torb's armor, Symmetra's shields, Genji's deflect, Roadhog's heal, Reaper's Heal, Soldier 76's heal, and probably more that I missed, are EHP gained - yet somehow these abilities going off CD and being EHP gained due to Lucio's ult isn't possible, because it doesn't support your argument I guess.
Kill yourself.
>>340584392
>mfw I pick Zarya/Mei to shit on Genjifaggots
Watching them attempt to deflect in futile panic whilst I beam them to death brings me great joy
>>340584307
>>340584392
Mcree fucks her always
She's nothing special in 6v6, she thrives on unorganized pub matches in small skirmishes and doesn't offer anything over other heros, also has shit range
That tier list is pretty accurate, I think symmetra is a little higher than 5% right now though, it may be a little outdated
>>340580274
It's ROUGH to go thROUGH
You said EW so you thrEW it
>>340584703
>has shit range
Lmao
>>340584307
Weak dps, generally no damage. barely any ranged game and only good at close ranges, at which most heroes are better.
Walls can deter and shut off routes, but ultimately do no damage. Walls last for 4.5 seconds but a guaranteed kill has your enemy spending time getting back the the contested areas on top of the long respawn time. A good widow/bastion etc. locking down a doorway/alley is more effective at shutting down potential routes than a physical wall like Mei.
>>340584703
Her icicles can fucking snipe mate
>>340575798
>420 from each Fan The Hammer
>420
BLIZZAAAAAAARD
>>340584375
Oh yes, the "Alienware Monthly Melee". Your source for all competitive meta data. Fuck off.
>>340584831
So can Hanzo. Turns out that being Widow and McCree bait makes you fucking useless.
>>340584787
yea lemme just charge up a small projectile that's hard to hit when I can just play something better while having actual impact with abilities too
mei is garbage, but has such a kit she's either shit or busted in team 6v6
>>340584941
I know but saying she has shit range is a fucking lie
>>340584867
blazehard
ftfy
>>340584870
>look at me, I know better than the pros!
>>340582993
what an ugly language.
>>340585054
I'm ashamed of myself for laughing at this
>>340584703
>tfw you consistently bait and ice-block the flashbang > just Freeze + Headshot them as they jump around with no clue what to do without their precious scrubcombo
Most mcshitters are so fucking predictable and awful they just flashbang at first sight whenever they seem something moving, It's franky laughable. I hope every single mcfaggot main uninstalls post nerfs
>>340585089
>implying korean isn't the most beautiful language in spoken and written forms
>>340585102
and I wish mei was removed from the game, but neither is gonna happen
>>340585102
And if they weren't scrubs they'd be able to kill you with Fan for being that close.
>>340585189
Fuck off Gook
>>340585083
>ALIENWAREâ„¢
>"Competitive" scene has been around for a laughable amount of time
>People just lap up anything with PRO GAMER
slapped on it
Im laffin
>>340585260
What percentage of Cree players are capable of hitting a moving target? Like 1%?
>>340584581
>he doesn't even know how to reply properly
lol. None of those things are effected by Lucio's ult in any way. If anything Mercy's ult gives those abilities more time to come off cooldown because they get back ALL their health instead of 200 that goes away all by itself.
You kill yourself nigger lover.
>mfw I learned how his right click works
I thought it fizzled after a certain range, but holy fuck the poke is amazing. if you get the spacing down you do 500 some odd damage. Hes a fucking monster for damage, his hook is just icing.
They should really buff the ult gain given to those shooting you, so his weakness is an actually noticible.
Then let him hook through objects and walls
>>340585278
I wish I was
>>340583914
>Bastion that low
???
>>340585446
Trust me, when ranked comes out and if you actually play with 6, mei will be useless as soon as you get above the shitpile of low mmr shitters
>>340585557
how to out yourself as a console player or a bronze retard
>>340582993
So this is what people mean when they say Widowmaker counters Tracer...
>tfw hopelessly awful at sniping in every game ever
>>340573284
But Roadhog is a buggy piece of shit when half the times his hook drags someone straight through him
Also
>Slower
>Fucking shit for range
Literally shit shit McCree
>mccree and lucio are way above any other character in representation at the competitive level
> : ^) no they're fine git gud
Why is /v/ full of dribbling retards, or is this just the state of the average blizzdrone?
>>340574972
>Skill ceilings in a "not" moba
kek everyone is easy to master you massive shitter, this game has as much depth as my dickhole
>>340579679
Kinda cause he's a tank. Ridiculous how much damage he can shit out.
>>340585518
>koreaboo
Pathetic, get a grip son
>Mercy will never be real
Why live bros?
>>340585102
>tfw you consistently bait the ice-block and then flashbang and FTH as soon as its gone and they don't know what to do without their gimmick invulns as I taunt over their dead bodies
Most Meis are shitters and so fucking predictable and awful that they just iceblock as soon as they're in flashbang range whenever you walk up to them, it's frankly laughable. I hope every single Mei main keeps playing so I can continue to get easy kills.
>>340585647
Widow does 150 damage per fully charged shot, double to 300 if it's a headshot crit
>>340585702
>hook some guy as roadhog
>gets thrown behind me and kills me, because I was banking on bursting them down first
>hook some guy as roadhog
>they just get pulled behind an object and then kill me because my hook is down
such is life.
>next map is Hanamura
What do?
>>340585713
>blizzard has never been any good at balancing competitive games
>people pick the most overpowered choices
>people VEHEMENTLY DEFEND their choices so they don't have to go back to being average
Happened with D3
Happened with SC2
Happened with WC3
Happened with SC:BW
>>340585713
Because the meta for less than 1% of the player base matters, amiright?
Yes they should nerf mccree that hes actually stoppable in some fashion.
>>340581393
>Planet sized hitboxes
>No casual baby mode scope to use as a crutch
>Ult that covers half the map
>Can use Widow makers ult on his shift
>Superior mobility
Frankly, once you git gud and stop needing the scope to hit things. Hanzo is the only real option. Widow maker can't hold a candle to what Hanzo brings to the table.
Go ahead and defend your waifu now. You're no better than D.va players
>>340585834
>tfw you pull someone to the side of you and whiff your combo and die like a bitch
this happened to me so many times I just switched to playing torb on every map, can't fuck up torb desu
>>340585764
>mercy
>not real
u wot m8
>>340585841
>defense
Hey guys don't go past the gate
Oh you all died?
>offense
Hey guys don't run straight to the second point, you'll just get gunned down by spam
Oh you just want to run in alone and get picked off, oh okay.NEVER RUN PAST THE GATE ON ANY MAP
>>340573284
Its the fact that he can kill tanks so easily like if they are offense characters, which is why he's getting a nerf, his damage output is insane to a tank and it shouldn't be that way.
>>340585734
he's a shit tank tho, hog is only good at picking off stragglers. not having any damage mitigation really hurts him, he just feeds ult all day if he tanks
Does shooting Reinhardt's shield give you ult?
>>340579586
Reinhardt's charge is definitely affected by it. I've died before because a teammate Lucio game me an amped up speed boost and I went too far and flew off a cliff.
>>340586240
only if you're a mercy damage boosting the ally doing the shooting
There should be a ping button that you can tell your allies where enemy players are coming through.
>>340586327
Which is why some severely autistic streamer was complaining in a youtube video
Hopefully he jumps in front of a bus
>>340585713
McCree's problems can be completely fixed by removing the reload from the roll so he can't double FTH. Lucio's problem is it's hard to think of a way to nerf him that doesn't make him useless. He's always picked because he's always solid and reliable in any situation, but he really isn't OP.
>>340576630
Then post it to imgur or puush it, and paste a link here.
>>340586039
not that other dude, but your opinion is shit
>>340578319
make soldier 76 go into last stand when he dies
>>340586338
Seriously
Set it up so you just press Q to bring up the menu and just keep the cursor in the center and click. It would be pretty intuitive.
>>340585713
>Balancing the game based on the top 0.1% of players
"no".
Also they're the only 2 viable healers so no shit they have a high %. Unless you nerf healing so it's useless then every team is always gonna have one
>>340586487
But that's all the roll does. It has no iframes so you're literally making one of his buttons useless.
>>340586487
I agree about Lucio. He's a very solid pick on just about every team. Couple that with the fact that Zenyata is underpowered and Mercy is more situational and you end up with a Lucio on every team.
>>340586487
How to nerf lucio
>introduce a new support character that counters high movement and isn't just a stun or slow.
blam fixed it.
>>340586757
Then give it iframes, duh.
>>340586757
That's why you buff the roll so it has longer distance possibly i-frames, and now he can catch tracers and genjobs off guard easilly.
>>340586893
Lucio doesn't need a nerf, the other healers just need something to make them more of an attractive choice.
>>340586487
other supports just suck that's the problem
sure mercy can heal and rez but she's basically defenseless and people hate playing those kinds of healers
zen is also weak as fuck and a shitter healer so he really doesn't accomplish anything other than dying like a bitch or doing a shit ton of damage out of nowhere
I hope the next few characters are supports because effectively this game only has 2 of them
>>340586218
This webm shows stupidity from the Reinhardt for not having his shield up on retreat intially.
>>340587017
zenyattas discord gives sight to everyone on the team, the sight persists but the damage debuff does not. He can mark up to 3 people at a time.
Zenyattas ult is removed for something actually useful.
Mercys ult overheals living teammates
she also gets a massive increase in heal rate for a few seconds after ulting to keep the team alive.
>>340578545
And it feels so goddamn GOOD.
>>340585885
You know, Mccrees have it pretty tough.
>>340587320
>Zenyatta's ult
>not useful
If you're playing with shitty teammates that have no idea how it works, it's useless, certainly, but 100 health returned a second to anyone within in the area of effect, and invincibility to everything for you, is useful as fuck.
>>340579713
The thing that holds Roadhogg back is that sometimes the character models are pulled to the side, making him have to adjust the aim and fuck over the speed of his combo.
>>340587320
I wouldn't touch zen's ult, I think it just builds slow as fuck which might just be a side effect of how fragile he is
>>340587615
I can admit it's useful but the setup is retarded.
Hes so squishy and having an ult that requires him to stand near teammates in the middle of a fire fight is retarded. It also plasters a giant, fuck my robot ass, when the ults over.
>>340587320
Your ideas are bad and you should feel bad.
>>340587698
It's a minor aim adjustment, boohoo.
>le roadhog hook death
Decent Roadhog player here. Every mercy I've ever been with never is fucking useful. I've tried to be positive with them but they never fail to dissapoint. There's been plenty of times I've turned a corner and met a bastion turret or been sidelaning and getting into small scraps and the mercy players do Shit because fucking reaper just charged into the middle of combat and he got fucked up like a Retard. Lucio is fucking bro tier and his speed boost has let me escape more hairy situations and bad hook ins than I can count. Lucio is meant for players who can handle themselves and have synergy.
Fuck mercy players.
>>340588034
>minor aim adjustment
You can activate any ability in that time and save yourself from a hook.
>>340587932
Zenyatta just needs to be a hair less squishy and move a little faster and then I think he'd be golden. He'd get shit on by snipers still, but he wouldn't get shit on INSTANTLY, and being able to actually get back out to your team would help immensely.
Fix those things, and Zenyatta would be even more of a blast to play than he already is.
And maybe tweak his right click, it feels redundant to slowly charge up five balls that you could just throw with proper aim.
>>340587187
oh yea enemy team pushing up around the corner better keep my shield up when im alone and slowly retreat
hopefully they don't swarm me while I mosey on backwards
>>340586039
I DESPISE Widow with a passion unrivaled by even the horniest of gods, but, come on.
She outclasses him BIG TIME. Longer effective range thanks to scope, higher damage output, has dueling power, teamwide unlimited range vision that charges fast, AND mobility.
Hanzo can be good, but, if anything, he's the forgiving sniper for shitters, thanks to his shotgun arrow, constant vision, and RYUU WA. I'd much rather, in 90% of situations, have a Widow dropping 150dmg bodyshots constantly, while giving vision, and being able to save herself, than a Hanzo firing arrows constantly hoping for a headshot or a cheesey scatter kill.
>>340588113
>full health with a mercy
>have shit tons of health and no one is shooting at me
>mercy NEVER damage boosts
>they then decide to damage boost after the fight and won't switch to healing for a good 10 seconds
>>340580158
>Anonymous 06/10/16(Fri)11:26:30 No.340580158â–¶
the game technically is just a MOBA in first person, positioning,area control and ability combos
>People saying Lucio is the only healer worth a damn.
What the fuck are you cunts on about? Okay I get that Mercy needs a bit to help make her more viable, namely she needs to be able to run faster.
But are you fucking kidding me? If you ignore Zenyetta's Wet Tissue Paper consistency of a HP bar, he is like THE best healer you can get.
His debuff is ridiculous and his healing orbs are a huge help, if you have a halfway decent Zen player chilling with a Rein or a Winston, the enemy team doesn't stand a fucking chance.
Lucio is pretty good but if I had to pick him or Zen, I go Zen every time, plus his fucking Ult can turn the tide of an entire game if you time it properly with your charges.
>>340588034
except that ruins his only guaranteed chance to shoot.
With a perfect hookshot you get a guaranteed shot, but if you adjust your aim an ability can be activated, Genji's parry, Tracer's rewind, Pharah's fly, all sorts of things that effectively make your hookshot a waste.
>>340588110
I fucking hate when shit like this happens. But fun when you're the hog.
>>340588034
It's WAY more than minor.
Tracer and Mei are big offenders, and tend to be pulled almost completely off the side of your screen, and lower than your reticules, but any hero can have it fucked up.
If it was just minor aim adjustment, I'd play Roadhog all day, every day. But it isn't, and watching a Tracer or Reaper, or McCree get their revenge because of it is fucking stupid.
>>340587698
that's because usually the terrain fucks with their movement, so you can judge quickly off where you hooked em, and since hook is on a 6 second cooldown its okay that not every hook is a super free kill
>>340588437
As much as I love playing zen his ult just doesn't fit his playstyle. Hanging back dealing balls is all well and fine but when your become-lucio-for-six-seconds button requires you to be on top of people it tends to fall flat
>>340588543
>hook a lucio
>he appears 5 feet to my left despite literally 0 obstacles between him and me
>twitch to shoot, but he ends up getting the knockback off first
I play lucio and roadhog a fuckton, and i can almost always count on being able to knockback the hog when i'm on lucio because it never wants to hook properly.
How did they design d.va to be so awful?
It's honestly a team gimp when someone goes d.va on your team. Shes fun and all but god awful at doing anything important.
>>340588437
>If you ignore Zenyetta's Wet Tissue Paper consistency of a HP bar
But you can't ignore that. He doesn't have the gimmicks that Tracer does to warrant being so goddamn squishy. And the fact that you have to constantly check LoS for your heals and debuffs exposes him to way too much danger from stray bullets.
>>340588674
Its not just terrain. Go test it with some friends like I did, flat ground will often times have Tracers and Mei go flying off to the side of your screen. Lucio tends to end up lower than your aim, and other wacky things. Terrain just compounds the issues.
>>340588246
Or you could have reaction time faster than a slug noticing McCree and be left with more than 4HP.
He could have easily killed you tossing a flashbang over the shield.
D.Va and Roadhog are literally "hit me for free ult charge" heroes.
>>340574914
Mercy is alright but I'll be over here moving and stopping payloads by myself while skating around bullets and punching things.
I just got done playing with 5 other friends for the first time, so it was a full party of 6 where I usually play with 2-3 friends at a time. The matchmaking is hilariously broken if it even exists in the first place. All of our levels are 20-30, and we were paired up against a team whose lowest level was 78. Needless to say we got fucking rolled over and pounded into a loving coitus, we decided to split into 2 teams after that because we could only conclude it was our 6 man team that brought them to us. Is this the norm, or did we draw the short straw? We're usually the ones doing the fucking so it was a jarring experience to say the least.
>>340588837
>have to constantly check LoS for your heals and debuffs exposes him to way too much danger from stray bullets.
>design a hero with low health
>design a hero with abilties that require him to keep up with enemies and allies
>don't give him the mobility to actually work around these things, because hes too strong in competitive play
>implying blizzard can ever balance anything
>>340588113
>>340588320
Stop playing with shitter Mercy's. Your combo now magically instakills tanks and you now feed ult to someone on your team instead of only to the enemy.
>says lucio is for synergetic teams
>complains about his mercy dying because he isn't working as a team and protecting her
Retard.
>>340588410
How?
Having cooldowns doesn't make it a MOBA, battlefield games have cooldowns on gadgets and no one calls it a MOBA.
Overwatch is missing way too many elements to be considered a MOBA.
>>340589107
Honestly, I don't want Zeny to get a HP/Armor buff.
I want him to get a speed buff.
I want Zenyatta to be one of the fastest characters, with the tradeoff that a stray breeze knocks him over. Let him weave in and out of cover to refresh orbs, and take pot-shots, and allow him to keep his high damage and high utility, with the weakness of stray damage getting him.
If that's too strong, trade some of his shield for flat HP, to give him less "renewable" HP to work with.
>>340574914
>mfw playing skatenig and my ult helps the team push the payload to victory meanwhile mercyfag ults and just feeds his team into a meat grinder
>>340589278
Bruh I always protect my mercyfu, normally they're the ones dumb enough to run into fire when I'm backing off or waiting for someone to run around a corner.
>>340580218
Destroying the shield is a viable strategy
>>340588110
>literally press shift + right click to win
>>340579093
>heals stack
>heals don't have a wait time so they're effective the moment you take a hit
It's crazy how much you can tank damage with healing.
>>340589525
As a Mercy player i'm glad to hear that, most of my deaths come from never being protected from winstons, genjis, or tracers that just walk past my team while they do fuck all
ally Reinhardts that activate their shields should be semi transparent
>>340588747
She's perfect for taking out turrets, Bastions, snipers, and any other long-range character provided they don't have any support.
>pop defense matrix while boosting to target
>dakka dakka until they die
>400 of your health is armor which greatly increases survivability more than you think, and even even if you still die to that you get an extra life to either finish them off or get he fuck out of there
Only thing that needs to be changed is her headbox and maybe mobility while firing.
>>340589278
Do you even know how to play roadhog effectively Retard? Do you know what he's best at? Picking enemies off. He's built for scrapping. I make the other team check the fucking shadows because I don't fucking roll in and start shooting. I take my time and choose my targets. Starting with stupid overzealous support characters like mercy who's slow and forced to work up close to the battle unlike Lucio. I hate a good Lucio, they don't stray far from the pack because he is AOE. Doing so would be no good for him and that makes him harder to get inherently. You know what fucks your day up? Having your support ripped away and wrecked in the middle of combat. I shouldn't need to babysit a slow fucking mercy, I should be doing my job. Save that Shit for longer range offence like 76 and mcree.
>>340579592
Everyone also has massive hitboxes, especially on the head. So those "close enough" shots turn into headshots.
But every hitscan hero is guilty of magnet headshots. Not just the Snipers.
>>340589525
As a Mercy player I find that I always get killed by Genjis and Tracers and the people I heal never do anything about it. After a certain point I either switch to a different class or just refuse to heal that person anymore.
Organized pro play doesn't have this problem, which is why you see Mercy nearing 100% pick rate. Also interesting to note that Lucio has dropped from his 100% pick rate.
Sometimes I forget just how bad the average person on /v/ is at video games that they genuinely think things like Mercy is underpowered and Roadhog is overpowered.
>>340589905
>mfw popping shield and people think it's a good time to reload
it gets them every fucking time.
>>340589872
This
also
>tfw allies are too fucking stupid to stand behind the shield and shoot instead of chasing after an enemy and getting fucked in the ass
Anything wrong with Genji aside 90% of the people are absolute garbage with it?
>>340588437
That's a big if, partner. The retard leash breaks if you lose LoS of your target. It doesn't help that everyone is faster than you.
Zen needs a god damn Yoga Teleport.
>>340581375http://exhentai.org/g/720816/be2857eb22/
Honestly, just sad panda 'Monster hunter english'
>>340590228
Theres no low skillfloor for the guy. You need to be really good to be semi decent, and with how pub tier picks are you're going to get countered a lot.
>>340589458
the problem is that zen's healing is way too slow, when your team gets wrecked there's no way a single zen can heal everyone up in time for them to do anything
lucio can heal the entire team, mercy can top people off quickly one by one, zen has to slowly heal people one by one and pray that they don't run out of LoS before they're healed
they need to make his healing heal by %hp instead of a flat amount so that it doesn't make characters like tracer OP but is still useful for high hp characters like reinhardt
How about turn down Widow's wallhack generation AND turn off team share of it. There's no logical or balance based reason why everyone should see the other team's location. An average Widow will still have crazy uptime.
>>340590208
>be based Rein
>stand in chokepoint area like beginning of anubis
>have shield up blocking turret shots and whatever
>allies sit back and try to shoot some 76 or something further away instead of the turret
>shield gets down to under 200hp
>I start backing out and drop shield
>my allies stay in their spots and die
>they call me a shit Rein
>>340590078
I noticed this when I used to play mei, there's no way I was that good at aiming those ice spikes
>>340590441
If they buff Zen's healing then they will have to nerf his discord or damage because as it stands, Zen is the best DPS support in the game.
>>340589525
Mercy main here, you're a good guy.
Most of my deaths come from Winstons who wise up, being the last one left at the point after shit goes to hell or I get killed by a random Arrow/Junkrat bomb/Pharrah rocket/Widowmaker while jumping around. It's sad that my team usually melts away after that.
>>340588235
The point of the charge up is to corner peak.
>>340590441
I think he'd be alright if he could put out 2 harmony orbs
>>340590154
wat
Mercy is a retard enabler and Roadhog is an Ult Pinata.
>>340590194
The easy way to tell the good Bastions from the shitters is whether they realize changing modes automatically reloads.
Why reload and leave yourself a target when you can just nope the fuck out of there.
>>340590228
he's pretty honest, if you're shit with him it'll show by your dead weight, if you're decent you'll get a kill here or there, if you're amazing you'll take out their backline supports, make their widow hate their life, and be out of there before anyone even realizes it in between shuriken poking from 3 different angles
>>340590564
>Zen is the best DPS support in the game.
As he should be.
Mercy is the tanky team
lucio is the mobility team
Zeny is the sniper High DPS team
>>340590441
Zen's Ult charges very fast and is his true healing. People don't use that ability nearly enough.
>>340590536
I don't know how fucked the spectator mode is, but I saw a Mei fire an icicle and it shot a good 20 degrees away from where she was pointing and got a headshot.
>>340590747
There is litterally no reason to reload. If you stay in one position you're going to die, if you recond around you can get better awareness of the situation.
Honestly the reload time feels the same as the switching form time
>>340590938
>I don't know how fucked the spectator mode is
Very fucked and Blizzard has said themselves that it shouldn't be trusted. This include kill cams.
>>340590070
How the fuck is it good for Mercy to stray from the pack and bad for Lucio to do it? That sounds backward as fuck regarding both of their kits.
>bitches about his healer dying
>lol it's not my job to protect my healer
Kill yourself or pick a tank that isn't garbage retard.
>>340590825
i feel like Mercy is more the Generic Support, while Lucio better enables tanky teams.
Since his healing is constant, AoE, he can maintain many higher health targets at once, and speed them in to capitalize on openings. This is opposed to the lower health, high mobility teams that can already get in but require more direct healing.
If the rumors of Sombra being a Sniper/Support are true, I could see her as the mobility team's support, with long ranger higher heals.
>>340590534
>Be Mercy
>Rein, Pharrah, Junkrat plus me are holding the last stretch to the final point on the England map.
>Beat off a push, heal off the DPS and then go to top off the Rein.
>1 minute left.
>He fucking charges all the way down the fucking tunnel into the middle of their team. Alone.
>Watch his silhouette flail around like a retard before getting gunned down.
>Shits on me in chat for not healing him.
I don't get people.
>dodge an arrow or bomb on your screen
>the thing does this 90 degree turn and goes in to hit you
So whats the point of dodging?
>>340591089
I feel like they're going to try a new support style with sombra. My guess is aim assist and enemy marking to counter lucio speed teams and flankers.
Also mercy is all about the team sustain, it's stupid hard to kill a team with a good mercy.
>>340591073
He's probably either a retard or a Lucio main who feels threatened by Mercy.
>>340591089
Lucio is not better with tanky teams - he's better if the enemy team is uncoordinated and shit by spreading out their damage on your team.
There's a reason why teams always have to run a Mercy even if they already have a Lucio - if they don't Lucio by himself won't be able to heal enough.
>>340591073
Not him, but Lucio straying from the pack is always 100% a retarded idea because his kit is AoE. Unless you're close to losing then it's even more beneficial for him to nope back to base if his team is cut down because then he can bring them all back to the fight quicker.
As for Mercy, it's more situational depending on who needs spot healing or a damage boost but I agree she really shouldn't be too far away most of the time. That said, she probably shouldn't be mixing it up either, which means she will usually be far enough back that a Roadhog can gank her if she's not paying attention.
>>340590825
>tanky
Doesn't her regen have a delay? I'd say Lucy could tank more since he's always regenerating in Health Mode.
>>340591164
>Shits on me in chat for not healing him.
>instantly tell them I'm not going to charge into my death like an idiot
>they immediantly shut up or leave everytime
That's all you have to say. If they say anything back they're wrong because they proved it with how they died.
>>340591489
I'm saying the team as a whole is very well sustained with a mercy.
>>340575109
i am assuming you mean
>mercy heals people that are injured
>mercy dmg boosts non tanks when not doing something else
>mercy hangs around corners to avoid being picked off
>mercy running to tanks when someone is trying to pick her off
is that would you mean a good mercy?
>>340591185
Giant hitboxes + 20 tick rate + matchmaking that doesn't necessarily group you based on ping = Magnet bullets lmao
FUCK THIS STUPID GAME
ALL MY FRIENDS LEFT ME TO PLAY THIS TF2 SHIT
NOBODY PLAYS ANYTHING ELSE ANYMORE
FUCK YOU FAGGOTS
>>340591620
Gotcha
>go into training mode
>pick Zenyatta
>throw harmony on a bot being attacked
>can't even heal faster than the damage
>pay more attention
>8 shots per volley (sometimes I count 7 though)
>test damage still as Zeny
>one volley drops me down to 86hp
>that's 64dmg per volley
>8 dmg per round
>about 2 seconds per volley
>switch to Lucio
>hp regen aura is almost even with bot fire
>friendly bots slowly get down to half hp
>press e
>friendly bots pretty much healed to full
>not even near half hp by the time e is off cooldown
>>340574387
Is that why I keep failing to kill? I just go for the body shots so more pellets hit the body.
>>340591073
>Probably mains mercy
>So butthurt roadhog won't go out of his way to stop your dumb death
>implying you weren't a detriment to your team simply for playing mercy
>he calls roadhog trash.
>O I am laffin'
Behold, a mercy player everyone.
Fuck off kiddo. If you can't even realize the best way to play a character you should just play bastion instead, I'm sure you'll have an easier time with that. And hey, maybe you'll even get a kill! Probably not.
>>340592052
Lucio can't debuff an enemy and has less base DPS. Harmony an ally who needs it, Discord the biggest threat, attack from range, repeat.
>>340592052
That's because zenyatta's heal is meant for roamers like genji, tracer and pharah. They're not going to be around a lucio or a mercy for a lot of the game and have no way to heal (aside from tracer's reverse).
It's also apparently 'good' for Reinhardt because it will help mitigate any light damage he takes when he has his shield up, like plasma/laser/whatever weapons piercing it, or flanking heroes.
Not so good on shit like mccree, widowmaker, torbjorn, junkrat, etc. because they're often close to places where they can retreat and/or pick up a health kit.
>>340592279
What I'm saying is the single target heal of Zeny should be equal or a bit better than the aoe heal of Lucio
Honestly I could live with being able to be bodyshot killed by Widow and being slow as shit if his heal did more considering his harmony heal is an ability just like Lucio's boost
>>340591164
I don't know why people still don't understand that Rein's charge is a punish for people who get too close and that if your charge takes you more than 6ft before killing someone you're almost always doing it wrong.
>>340576372
>Have a McGree owning snipers and other people at long range.
>people actually believe this.
Maybe you shouldn't base things on one person being good and the other being shit.
At equal skill levels, Widowmaker and Hanzo completely shit on McCree at range.
>>340592052
Theres a wiki for these numbers just an FYI.
>>340592574
Again, Lucio doesn't have the ability to debuff and has worse base DPS. Zenyatta is not supposed to be the primary healer in the group unless you have a lot of teammates who can self-heal and/or shield and know what they're doing.
>>340576624
The reason they focus so much on McCree and forget Lucio and Reinhardt is because McCree kills them directly, but they don't care that the other two are actually more fundamental to a winning team.
>>340592113
>Roadhog
>not garbage
You have no way of protecting your team which is the point of a tank. Your main way of killing people is literally broken and doesn't work right the majority of the time. You have no armor or sheilds. Your very existence feeds ult meter to the enemy team. Roadhog is shit.
>>340592834
>thinking Roadhog is a tank just because Blizzard said so
That's your first mistake.
>>340592478
Zen's orb isnt going to work on any of those except maybe Pharah because it goes away when Zen loses LoS.
>>340592052
Exact numbers, since you're probably curious:
Lucio (passive) is 12.5 health/second
Lucio (active) is 40 health/second for 3 seconds
Zenyatta (harmony) is 30 health/second
Zenyatta (ult) is 130 health/second
Mercy (healing flow) is 50 health/second
So, basically Zen's not bad, but he absolutely cannot be the only healer on a team. His contribution has much more to do with discord, his own personal damage, and his ult (which can completely nullify other ults like Zarya, Pharah, Reaper, etc.).
The only reason Zen's not considered playable is because he gets absolutely shit on by Widowmaker, and Widowmaker is so good that you're always going to see a Widowmaker. He's also pretty easy to kill with Tracer, and it's harder to protect him than it is to assassinate him. That said, unless you're playing at fairly high MMR simply having an aggressive front line is usually enough to keep Zenyatta alive.
>>340574730
The nerf is fantastic. Enough that He's still the anti-flanker, but no longer a straight up tank buster.
>>340593092
>and Widowmaker is so good that you're always going to see a Widowmaker
It's so sad how true this is, she can create a deadzone with any choke point, she can pick off important characters from unkillable distances, she has a shit ton of escapes and her ult is team wide map wide wall hacks.
>>340593204
>the nerf is fantastic
what nerf have they said what they're doing?
>>340592972
If you're using him to get picks then you're better off playing a flanker or widowmaker. If you're using him as a tank then you're better off killing yourself. He's shit.
>>340593326
Reducing effectiveness of FtH so that its viable against squishies but not tanks
>>340593416
>If you're using him to get picks then you're better off playing a flanker
He is a flanker, just a bulky flanker who can self-heal so he can catch the enemy in a pincer with his team.
Best friends forever
>>340593326
No words yet but from form mods they are looking into his fan the hammer. They said flash bang would not be touched and its not like they are going to radically redesign the hero. So the best bet is a delay on fan the hammer.
I just wish McCree flash didn't work on someone's back.
I love zenyatta, post zenyatta art.
>>340593464
I dont understand why they would do that when they advertised McCree as a tank-killer in the tips popups. I'd rather they just reduce the accuracy because if there's one thing that's bullshit is how accurate it is at 10 feet away
>>340592834
>mfw I accurately breakdown a mercy fag and BTFO him utterly
Stay mad faggot. Lemme know when you wise up and play a functional support.
whether or not mercy is better than lucio or not, isn't it better to have one of both for the best of both worlds?
>>340593464
>>340593564
Honestly, making it impossible to headshot on FtH would be enough on its own while still being thematically consistent with what it's supposed to be.
>>340593484
kek
>>340593472
>he's a flanker
>with no abilities to assist him in doing so
>is also loud as fuck so you can hear him coming from a mile away
He needs his own section labeled trash desu. He's only useful in pubs.
>>340593889
It already is you big dumb stupid
>>340593889
>Honestly, making it impossible to headshot on FtH would be enough on its own
> play junkrat
> neutralize bastion, reinhardt, thorbs, cause havok
> easily destroy enemy fire tires
> use mine to push tanks out of the way or just to secure kills
> murder enemy mercy because I can aim
As long as phara isn't around
Why aren't you playing the most fun character
>Roadhog can hook through walls
how do you like your fixed senpai?
>>340593825
Not him, but let me know when you stop picking a useless character?
>>340593842
At high level play, you will always see Mercy/Lucio except for very specific scenarios/comps. People saying one or the either are useless are hopeless 0 MMR shitters.
>>340593246
>and her ult is team wide map wide wall hacks
It's frustrating because it's the only ult that has zero counter play. You can only hear the voice line if you happen to be near enough to her when it's activated (and even then it's very quiet), and once it's active it stays active until it expires - EVEN IF SHE DIES. Like, how the fuck are her infra-visors highlighting enemies for your team if she's not even alive anymore?
If they nerf my I Win button, how am I supposed to get kills?
>>340593842
Having both is the best option almost all of the time, only shitters try and steer it into one or the other.
>>340577531
I fucking hate when Widows accidentally shooting and killing me when trying to kill my teammate.
>>340593962
Anyone left unchecked could be a problem, but roadhog opens up a second "frontline" with his hook, self heals, and tankiness. He doesn't just poke/kill and run like most offense, he can sit there and cause all sorts of trouble if not dealt with.
>>340576372
yeah nah, long range mccree takes 3 headshots to kill somebody, 76 does better there because he can potentially burst with rockets + 4 headshots before they can react.
>whole team decides to go mccree
>throw the game because I don't tolerate that meme shit
>help the other team build ults
>my team loses and gets mad because I threw
I wonder when they'll get wise and realize the actual problem.
>>340594065
I like aiming and not spamming.
Fucker is fun as shit though and can tear up certain comps like its no ones business. Hollywood is the ninth circle of hell if a good fucker in on that map.
>>340594139
>you can't even hear it activate if your dead
>you can't hear it activate when you're alive
>pros have to guess every few seconds by stopping before running behind a corner to bait a shot and just feel it out
it's so stupid, especially when you get killed by it.
>>340594118
Whatever samefag.
>inb4 not him.
>what is a phone.
Lucio should not heal himself. Y/N ?
>>340594429
what if he only self-healed with amp it up
>>340575321
And if you're 400 or less health the roll forward flash combo still kills you at medium range.
>>340594429
Lucio is perfectly fine the way he is.
>>340578313
Because they are to shit at the game to distinguish when what healer is viable, or running both.
I play both Mercy and Lucio depending on the map, both have they're strengths, Lucio being the all around better choice for those who are not entire shit at the game.
I hope they let you just queue into certain gametypes eventually. KOTH is more fun than payload.
>>340579549
>He can practically one-shot every tank hero in the game.
>needs pretty much 2 full FTH plus flashbang.
>one shot.
>>340578369
You see that roadhog at half health ? Heal on him for more than 6 seconds and you'll have ult.
Why does Blizzard take 50 years to actually patch their fucking game? Do they just push it back until their next hero reveal which will end up like every LoL champ ever and be unbalanced for 2 months before they actually patch it again?
>>340594415
Nice try but I haven't been able to post from my phone for over a year now.
Fuck moot.
>>340594429
N. Lucio by himself is not OP. He's used a lot because he's so versatile, not because he's particularly OP in any given situation.
>>340586171
True that he feeds ults, but he is still a tank usefull in certain scenarios. I'm not saying he's OP, but the fact that guy was like "McCree outdamages hog", well that is kinda the point of an offensive hero. He has no mobility, no health, only damage and a stun. Hog has CC, self heal and STILL comes close to McCree damage, which is quite insane.
>>340594886
>they've only released like one game breaking bug fix patch since release
>>340586757
Make it lower CD
>>340575651
Have you seen the hitboxes fucker?
>>340595134
>only damage and a stun
800 damage and a stun mind you.
And no mobility and a huge hit box is a big deal.
>>340595215
They released multiple ones, all the same size, but they never specify just what exactly they fixed.
>>340586218
is that an axe? I thought it was supposed to be a hammer, or is it because of a skin?I dont play or own the game but am nonetheless interested
>>340595326
Hog can heal himself anytime, McCree can't, and dies way quicker.
>>340595726
its a skin
>>340595726
There's two legendary skins that turn the hammer into an axe; Bloodhardt and Blackhardt.
