>Blizzdrones will defend this
>>340542002
Well yeah, I assume they're probably good at the game and press reflect as Genji.
Jesus christ get it together OP.
>>340542002
im not defending it
i dont care
the game is fun
>Tf2drones will defend this
>>340542864
We don't though. We call it the lucksman because it has the hitbox of a fridge, and it shouldn't.
>>340543005
Then I guess you're gonna have to show some mercy with our lucksman
>>340542002
Game?
>we need another Overwatch thread
OP will defend this
>>340543005
>we acknowledge it
>but please ignore it and hate on Overwatch instead guys
>>340542864
Projectile hitboxes have always been retarded
It wasn't really a problem with rockets or pill bombs but the Huntsman can get pretty stupid
>>340542002
Why are TF2fags so triggered by this game?
>>340543005
>yes yes our game does that too BUT YOUR GAME THO! HAHAHAHA!
>Valvedrones will defend this
>>340543005
>>340543258
>>340543371
>>340543372
>>340543382
Both of your games are shit.
>>340543382
>and if it were overwatch
>>340543202
undertale
>>340543372
That's literally the argument Overwatch fans have put forth
>>340543382
Did they ever fix the engineer having no dick?
>>340543372
>>340543258
You can certainly hate on retarded hitboxes regardless of where they're from. Do not defend this.
>ignore this
nobody is ignoring shit about tf2, it's constantly under fire.
>>340543202
halo
>>340543202
battleborn
>>340543551
Right?
>>340542002
I don't play shooters often, but isn't this necessary? Or else people would rarely get headshots?
>>340543836
I'd like to at least get a refund for garbage, thank you.
>>340543963
>>340543963
You should rarely get headshots. Headshots are skill, the game assisting you and giving you free ones takes away from that.
Op just get a refund for battleborn and stop crying on /v/ already nobody who's actually bought overwatch cares
>>340544321
>I-If you think my shit game is shit you obviously like another shit game
Yeah, no. Overwatch, Battleborn, and TF2 are all shit.
B-BUT TF2 DOES TOO!!!!
>>340544512
And yet still, nobody cares
>>340542864
So basically the one weapon has that and is outclassed by any other sniper rifle in the game is the same as having every weapon have massive hitboxes for headshots?
I also guess that tg2 players should feel bad because overwatch despite coming out as a triple a title managed to take one aspect of tf2 that was bad and make it even worse to the point that beong behind a wall wont save you from blizzards massive oversight.
You really got em there.
>Moronic cunts will repost this
>>340542002
Overwatch is the first Blizz game that I've ever actually played and liked so I guess I've been full indoctrinated now.
Anyway, shit-posting aside, here's an interesting demonstration of why the hit boxes work the way that they do in Overwatch and innumerable other shooters: https://youtu.be/13iMO9s-q0c?t=3m19s
What do you folks think? Is it justifiable now?
>>340544621
you do.
>>340542864
No one is actually defending it.
>Paid nothing for TF2
>Have absolutely no reason to defend the obvious flaws
>Paid $40-60 for Overwatch
>Invested in the game and must therefore defend its flaws
It's called post-purchase rationalisation.
>>340546058
SHUT THE FUCK UP
>>340545447
No.
It is not justifiable.
Showing a retarded chart does not justify auto-aim - especially not in multiplayer games.
>>340545447
Pretty interesting video, but it doesn't justify the broken hitboxes in Overwatch at all.
Mercy and D.Va pistols are bull shit that hit box is larger than Hanzo arrows. They are not powerful by all means but its so easy to aim its bullshit to die in a hall with mercy jumping around, shooting in your general direction and hitting you.
>>340545447
I think it comes down to the purpose of the game an the intended audience.
Having aim assists and lots of forgiving features is a great thing when you want to make a game that is accessible and casual.If the game is too brutal and difficult it pushes away a lot of people who aren't into that.
I would guess this means that Blizzard doesn't intend for Overwatch to be a hardcore competitive game and would rather it be a easy casual enjoyment game. It's justified if that is what they want to accomplish with the game.
>>340543963
For consoles yes, plus there is always a little auto aim in console shooters due to aiming with controllers. Bliz has admitted that they will balance them separate, apparently Bastion and dwarf are the most OP on console.
You actually shoot people in the head even when they are behind a wall, because the hitbox is a fucking watermelon
https://youtu.be/_UU8jqxAiHQ?t=2m10s
>>340546058
You seem to forget that TF2 used to be a retail release, back in the day we paid good hard earned cash for a promising game.
Then it want free-to-play and the community imploded, the basic skill level dropped and the competitive community ceased to exist.
People like you killed a once great game, and now you shill on Overwatch for excluding you?
I've clocked 670+ hours in TF2 and I can't bring myself to ever play that game again.
I would rather pay for a flawed game which has the potential to develop a healthy community then with F2P Scum like yourself.
>>340546717
Thanks for the thoughtful input. :^) The earlier portions of the video explain "flow" and why it's important to game design but I digress. It is counter-intuitive to have animations and models that don't accurately match hit registration and I understand your frustrations.
The heated opposition to this design choice is an interesting outcome to gauge player reactions when they become disillusioned and realise the discrepancies between real vs. perceived skill. Before the analysis presented by >>340542002 or >>340542864, I how many people were bootyblasted about the hit box size and how it impacts actual game play? People who aren't shit-posting on a Filipino nesting doll enthusiast board don't know, don't care, and making more head shots than they should. And why not?
So how many more threads about this are we going to have today?
>>340543634
>we want fighting games audience
>>340548084
>The earlier portions of the video explain "flow" and why it's important to game design but I digress. It is counter-intuitive to have animations and models that don't accurately match hit registration and I understand your frustrations.
My post was about auto-aim, not about Overwatch at all.
> I understand your frustrations.
Please...
>>340548020
>has the potential to develop a healthy community then with F2P Scum like yourself.
This is why the Overwatch community will be shit. Not because of retards, but because elitists and TF2 burnouts will form the heart of the community.
>>340548020
Didn't it go F2P in 2011 or something? So, you had 4 years or so to play the game before it allegedly went to shit? Sounds like a fairly good deal.
>and the competitive community ceased to exist.
Well, no. It's grown since then.
>I've clocked 670+ hours in TF2
That's a lot of hours for a $60 game, or whatever you paid for it.
Go yell at Kaplan some more.
>>340542002
that explains all the sniper webms I've been seeing
>>340548084
I think what is happening is that a lot of people (at least around here) want a high skill game, but these revelations seem to betray the fact that Blizzard didn't intend for these games to be high skill games.
With hitboxes like these blizzard can get lots of people playing the game for the first time and immediately feel like they are pretty good at the game. While some people like a big challenge, if you hopped in the game and immediately got destroyed and wiped across the floor a lot of more casual type players would be pushed away.
As the video talks about, people like to feel like they are good at the game and that keeps them playing. Now people are realizing they aren't as skilled because the game was tricking them.
>>340548357
But you can get Overwatch for 40 dollars. Is Overwatch a 170 dollar game because of the collector's edition?
>>340548204
>claw hitboxes in USF4
>>340548020
Bought at release and I still like it.
No other game has anything even remotely close to the glory that is pyro airblast.
>>340548898
pyro airblast wasn't at release.
>>340548693
No, it's a $40-60 game, as stated earlier.
>>340548357
>Didn't it go F2P in 2011 or something? So, you had 4 years or so to play the game before it allegedly went to shit? Sounds like a fairly good deal.
Still doesn't mean the F2P Conversion wasn't a betrayal.
I can go boot up Quake 3 right now and play against skilled players no matter what server I choose.
If I join a Pub TF2 Server I'll see conga lines for days and people complaining characters are bullshit.
If you pay for a game you invest time into it, you want to feel like your investment was worth it and that forces the player base to understand and master the characters & mechanics.
TF2 is full of kids who just wanted a free game and aren't willing to invest the time needed to comprehend the mechanics. So they'll play for a while, ruin every game they participate in and uninstall the game- ruining the experience for the rest of us. Nothing ventured nothing gained.
>>340549009
Yes, and?
>>340542002
nobody is fucking defending this
who is this defending this, i play overwatch and think it's a lot of fun but this is obviously some bullshit that they need to fix
>>340549065
I honestly haven't had too many problems with pubs in tf2. Maybe I'm just lucky.
>>340543202
Jewbilee
>>340542002
DELETE THIS NOW, PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO SEE THIS
>>340549219
It's not a bad as it used to be, but if you were there for the first year the game went F2P the divide between players was insane.
There's a reason that F2P player ban script was created.
>>340548898
Gengi is the equivalent of Pyro Airblast.
He can reflect most projectile, including ultimates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e20-xxjGTK4
>>340549219
I found a drastic decrease in quality of pub games after it went f2p. However I also find that pub games in Overwatch are shitfests at peak hours. Since I work at night and i"m usually only awake late night the games are always intense and pretty skillful because the literal no lifers are on.
>>340549520
Hum wrong video, it's outdated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhv1GVYPh3o
>>340549520
And Lucio can M2 to push people away. Merged together, and with no cooldown, they could be remotely similar to airblast.
But Lucio M2 has huge cooldown making it nowhere as useful for positioning (and he lacks the shotgun to kill the the enemy that can't strafe while airblasted), and Genji's thing is just press button to not die, with no skill involved - comparing it to airblast is an insult.
>>340549065
The conga line was only an issue at its release. Since then, most people will just shit on those for doing it or tell them to hop servers if they want to be friendly. As far as complaining about classes go, it's usually just retards with like 10 hours in the game and think anyone worth a damn is OP.
I'll agree that most Quake 3 players still going would most certainly be skillful at the game by now, but most don't go into public servers in TF2 for a challenge. There are plenty of other servers that only take a short time to find with better players in general, and that's the small price to pay for having the game still be so popular nearly a decade later.
>>340549813
But airblast is literally press a button to not die as well
>>340549813
Airblast is the same thing. Genji can also jump in front of people to counter the shots they throw, just like the airblast.
>>340550079
But the airblast drains a lot of your ammo, which is the same you use for offense.
>>340550243
And Genji is on a cooldown since there is no ammo refill in Overwatch
>>340542002
Why does this even matter?
Large hitboxes are probably there to account for lag.
Its not even noticeable during a game.Does Hanzo really need a fucking huge nerf if perfect hitboxes were made?
>>340550381
If perfect Hitbox were made, both snipers would need a buff.
>It's another Tf2 vs Overwatch thread
>>340550381
>Why does this even matter?
I get it.
You're joking.
>>340549675
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYcX7nu_bBA
>>340550079
>>340550240
That's not true. You do break their aim, but you don't stop them from being able to hit you. It is still possible to adjust aim in-flight and kill the pyro. When I meet another pyro who knows what he's doing, we usually both airblast each other and shoot with shotgun in-flight.
And to actually reflect a projectile, which is what you need to not die if your opponent was able to aim at you in-flight, you need to time your airblast really well. And then you can only reflect some projectiles unlike Genji who reflects everything.
There is much more skill involved than just pressing a button and reflecting everything that goes into you for a while.
>>340542002
>I play my games to be competitive
I don't. I play overwatch because it's casual as fuck and that makes it fun. If I wanted UT, I'd go play it.
>>340550381
Is it to account for lag, or is it setting the bar a tad lower?
I see mobile app design philosophy resurging in this overwatch game.
Surely, for this game to be as addictive as it is, strictness about headshots and hitboxes wouldn't help?
This game is definitely 'casual,' but it lets players feel like they are 'proficient' at this game. And it accomplishes this through various clever tricks, invoking human pyschology.
/v/ will defend this
>>340550780
Except that people hear it, and Genji cant move while blocking. He's stuck blocking while people can just go next to him and attack him with lazers melee.
>>340550913
Wait wrong pic
>>340546058
I post purchase rationalize major purchases, like hundreds to thousands of dollars.
If I fuck up and lose 40 bucks then I really don't care much, just live and learn
>>340545447
Don't worry anon, I've never even played Warcraft (any of the including WOW), Diablo (any of them) or Starcraft (any of them) but I am aparrently a full fledged blizzdrone
>>340550780
It's really not all that skillful in either case
>>340551005
Genji most certainly can move while blocking.
>>340542002
(You)
>>340551015
HANGING ON THE EDGE OF TOMORROW
>>340551162
Ah, must have missed that since I always kill him before he actually moves.
>>340547859
Large hit boxes certainly lowers the skill-cap but I don't think that it necessarily makes the game unfit for competitive play.
It is curious, though, the Blizz has made this design decision which diminishes required skill while simultaneously pushing it as an e-sport.
>>340551005
>Genji can't move while blocking
only retarded ones do this
>>340550780
>pyro players saying they're skillful
somethings never change
>>340551005
>Genji cant move while blocking
Don't even know what to respond to this.
Here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYcX7nu_bBA
Is he not moving?
>>340551131
Great arguments, anon.
It is more skillful because, for reasons I listed, Pyro's airblast requires more skill to not be killed than Genji's button.
>>340550838
>I could do good in UT if I *wanted* to
>>340542002
>People not realizing this thread is just to rip on the threads people made for that Huntsman webm
>People genuinely responding to this bait.
>>340551252
The real retarded Genjis are the ones trying to deflect beam attacks
>>340551220
You should really try playing each character once before attempting conversation about balance, noob.
I remember the day CSS increased the head hitbox size, around the same time they introduced the economy shit. Absolute fucking chaos, entire teams running around with p90s and saws spraying everywhere and raking in headshots.
>>340551363
Who are you quoting?
>>340551341
you seem upset
>>340551432
I focused at getting good with my mains. And I never said anything about Balance.
And I could not play for the last 4 weeks because I'm at work.
>>340542002
oh so that's my problem, I'm aiming at them when I should be aiming around them.
>>340551616
do i? because i'm just sat at my computer.
pyro is a shit class, always has been always will be.
>>340551645
>mains
Please stop playing this game immediately. You are far too stupid to be good at it.
>>340551723
>pyro is a shit class, always has been always will be.
really looking upset there
>>340551432
>mfw over 100 hours now and still have almost 0 minutes on genji and honzo
>>340542864
>>340543137
Overwatch's "lucksman" is every fucking weapon though. And it's even worse because Overwatch gives bonus damage on headshot for everything. The only weapons like that in TF2 are the lucksman and maybe the Medic's crossbow.
>>340542864
hitscan vs projectile
not really comparable because both use different hitbox systems
>>340551735
I'd say he's about the right intellect for it.
>>340551645
You're supposed to switch characters every time you die, anon, so you need to be a master at every character.
Even though no one does this and everyone has characters they prefer and stick by if given the option.
>>340551812
medic's crossbow doesn't get headshots.
>>340551785
ok.
>>340551812
>Medic's crossbow
You meant the ambassador
>>340551735
>stupid
>not maining some characters
I main Tracer, Widowmaker, Zaryah and Reinhart and Symmetra.
I get good with characters and then I learn new ones. I dont just switch for the heck of it.
>>340551957
It could still have the fuckhuge hitbox on th eprojectile though.
Overwatch's issue is the fuckhuge hitboxes on every single character along with bullet magnetism on weapons.
>>340551735
I'll play whoever I feel like playing.
>>340552017
You do realize the discussion is about projectile weapons, right? Ambassador is completely fine, just like a sniper rifle.
>>340545447
>complaining about hitboxes instead of the no-skill gamebreaking ultimates you get every 30 seconds
>>340550381
hit boxes are not used to compensate for lag
the retards that sput this i swear.
>>340542864
Nobody ever defended it except Valve. People have bitched about it nonstop since its release.
See: >>340551812
>>340552178
Projectiles don't use hitboxes. They use collision boxes.
Collision boxes are larger.
>>340552336
Yeah, I discussed the ____boxes in so long that I had forgotten the name projectiles used. Thanks for correction.
>>340552243
I honestly think those are okay. They make tactics matter so much more. You pretty much can't have a good ult with a lot of characters unless people on the other team make a mistake.
>>340551360
Coming into the thread to say that both games aren't very comparable. Genji is very squishy and can die in less than a second, usually.
The Deflect is on a cooldown, only deflects in front of youYou can shoot around him and kill him with splash, or throw a flashbang at his side and stun him out of it, is VERY obvious when it's up, so it's only useful as a defensive mechanism or a well-timed counter play, lasts 1 second where you cannot attack or cancel itIf you press it and they decide not to attack they will get the next hit in 100% of the time and will likely end your life.
>you need to time your airblast really well.
Why are you acting like Airblasting is difficult at all? Everybody can fucking do it. And no, I'm not saying Deflect is hard, but dashing in front of a Hanzo when you see him prepping for an ult and then deflecting it back into his team before it turns into a Dragon is a million times more rewarding.
>>340552482
No problem friend.
I love TF2.
Unabashedly.
But if you like overwatch that's fine too. I don't see why there isn't room for both. I don't think either one is going anywhere.
>>340551006
Point still stands on the first image to be fair.
>>340552526
people say that yet it's way easier to land an ult than stop an ult
even in pro games, someone just needs to get behind or above with reaper and press q and gets 2-3 kills most of the time
>>340552597
>is a million times more rewarding.
Depending on how low your standards are, anything can be as rewarding as you can imagine. I am not talking about how rewarding those abilities are - I am talking about how easy they are to fuck up - and pyroblast is way easier to fuck up, which makes it require it more skill.
>Why are you acting like Airblasting is difficult at all? Everybody can fucking do it.
Not really. Dodging rockets from up close is extremely difficult.
>>340552732
Still, though, I don't think ults are problem in this game.
Situations like you described make positioning more important, and that just can't be a bad thing.
I'm not playing on a competitive level so I can't reason about those games, but on my level, having to be aware about what ults my opponents have and trying to play around them has been a good experience.
>>340542002
>>340542864
Ladies and Fuckbois, I present: the current state of fps.
>>340552194
Oh, I misread. I was talking about gives headshots, not saying there was anything wrong with the Ambassador.
>>340546058
DELETE THIS
>>340542864
are people dumb enough to not know that the Huntsman's arrows come out to the right of the crosshair?
he was aiming right on the Scout
I don't mind this if it's for everyone like this.
After playing countless hours of CS:GO and missing many shots that were supposed to hit (pre hitbox update etc.)
Call me casual I don't give a hoot
>>340553767
> he was aiming right on the Scout
>aim to the left of scout
>hit
>aim to the right of scout
>hit
>aim above of scout
>hit
>aim below of scout
>hit
>why are people upset?
>>340543634
underrated post
>they're actually defending it
>>340554517
You're nut.
>>340555126
Yeah, well you suck.
