>Linear is bad
I hate this meme
That meme's dying. We've reached a point where everyone is getting real fucking sick of that open world shit.
>>340511419
Not normies, they still eat up whatever open world Ubisoft shits out
ive always liked linear games, because devs actually have to put more effort into level design so the game doesn't suck
with open world, devs can just craft a huge empty space and fill it with MMO sidequests to pad out the game.
Linear is bad if it's 8 hours long like trash games such as Uncharted 4
>>340511317
FEAR had the best possible compromise when it came to going from point A to point B, if you ask me.
>>340511317
Hyper simplicity - the typical "corridor" level design - is uninspired and unexciting as fuck.
Neither are wide open worlds filled with nothing and copy-pasted to hell, a glorified commute from mission to mission.
Critics aren't all that good at articulating themselves, what else is new. This genre's entertainment coverage is a joke.
>>340511317
>>340511419
There's more than just "linear" and "open world"
For example, a hub-based RPG is neither linear nor open world.
>>340511923
The mythical "good level design".
>>340511986
VTMB did it right. So have the KOTOR and Deus Ex series.
>>340511317
Linear is bad if its just another sub-par third person cover shooter. If you are not going to make the gameplay fun or interesting, you should just make a movie instead.
>>340511419
I'm personally tired of metroidvanias too.
>>340511705
I disagree. A short game does not make a bad game. MGR was amazing and lasts as long.
>>340511317
This truly is the worst possible complaint for a game. I never could stand it and I'm glad it's going away.
Open world games are in theory always better than a linear game.
The only problem is, poor implementation. Most "open world" games don't actually feel open, they're void and empty.
Adding more land =/= more open world
>>340512426
So is The Darkness 2. One of my favorite games ever.
>>340511656
now this is some premium bait...
>>340511813
>Hyper simplicity - the typical "corridor" level design - is uninspired and unexciting as fuck.
I disagree, it's all about designing that corridor as exciting as possible.
>Open world games are in theory always better than a linear game.
Ridiculous.
>>340512470
Anyone who says open world is better is most likely under 16.
>>340512470
Don't see anything wrong with it.
>>340512470
He's not even wrong though. It's not bait just beacuse you don't agree.
>>340511570
normies will eat any shit as long as its published by big name companies and marketed enough.
>>340512490
>I disagree, it's all about designing that corridor as exciting as possible.
Give me a single example of it being done right, in your opinion, so I can dismiss your opinion and call you a flaming faggot.
>>340512663
DOOM, Half-Life, Perfect Dark
And again, there are good and bad linear / open world games.
Being one of either dosn't make the game automatically good or bad.
Watchdogs was an incredible bad open world game, MGS3 was an incredible good linear game.
Open world is good for games that work better as open world. Linear is better for games that work better linear. I know it sounds retarded obvious, but games should be judged according to what they try to be, the preference for open world or linear is not objective.
>>340512741
You're telling that on a website that thinks every black man is a nigger
>>340512723
How in the fuck are DOOM or Perfect Dark remotely corridor shooters holy fucking shit did you play either?
As for Half-Life, well I've got a major bone to pick with that one but general consensus dictates when a guy has to keep a lid on it.
Otherwise I'd just say you're agreeing with me and you're being stubborn about it.
when you go to school with inclusion you find autism isn't like anything they advertise in the movies at all. autism isn't a crippling disease rather a series of malfunctions in the left hemisphere that make up a bunch of speech impediments and other variable topographies of speech
people sometimes exhibit echolalia and often they have problems with stuttering and phrasing short thoughts/clauses. it's really got less to do with people finding links in everything and more about an autistic person's reasoning ability being impaired slightly, as it is a learning disability
>tfw no open world third person action game Halo that it was originally going to be
>>340512804
shut up nigger
>>340512823
Hey, where did those goalposts go? Did you move them?
>>340511705
8 hours isn't a bad time for a game. This needs to stop as well.
If the game is 8 hours and doesn't hold any replay value since the gameplay is shit, then it's the gameplay that is the problem.
>>340512804
I know.
/v/ can only see things in NIGGER and white.
>>340512950
When your idea of "designing a corridor to be exciting as possible" is to add a bunch of alternate routes, secret areas, and completely missable hidden entities - say, like in DOOM or Perfect Dark - guess what, it ain't a fucking corridor anymore.
>>340512615
>>340512580
>>340512554
even the premise is false, level design has nothing to do with openworld/linear
both can be flushed out or boring, oldschool fps-es had some pretty good level design and they were neither openword or linear, im looking at you hexen
>>340511317
>x is bad
The entire meme should die, if you can't back up your assertions you are literally retarded and should go back to tumblr
>>340513028
>it ain't a fucking corridor anymore
Yes it is.
>people still equating metroidvanias as open world when it's mostly semi-linear
>>340512663
As mentioned before MGR, the linear Mario Galaxy stages, most Nintendo platformers really.
>>340512723
Ignore this guy, he ain't me. Also Half Life is kinda boring IMO.
>>340512981
sauce anon?
you know i cant reverse search that shit with edit and shit
>>340511317
My nigga.
The surge of "muh open world" is the fucking worst. Some devs like Ubi and EA take it to new heights of boring and predictable game design.
>>340513028
>>340513178
I guess an open world is just an extremely wide corridor
>>340512364
Metroidvania is generally poor man's Zelda, with exceptions like Tomba and La Mulana.
>>340513289
It was taken down.
>>340511705
You picked the only Uncharted game that is a struggle to finish in 8 hours. Most people's playtime ranges from 12-15
Uncharted 1 is 6-8 though.
Considering the recent shitfest of open world games I'm beginning to think linear is probably better
>>340513231
>the linear Mario Galaxy stages
>Mario Galaxy
>exploration
>>340513319
Nice strawman.
>>340513028
Exactly, Doom and Rare FPS are golden examples of FPS with solid, non-linear level design.
>>340513336
Personally I prefer my metroidvanias like OoE. Divided in "dungeons", or levels or however you want to call them.
>>340511317
hub worlds > linear > shit > open world
>>340513434
There's some non-linear stars and levels where the point is to explore a little bit.
>>340513178
this is objectively the most retarded post i have seen on this site in the last few months.
>>340513574
You're wrong.
>>340511317
Every time someone tells me that "X and Y are shit, because hurr muh linear", I suggest them to go play Romancing SaGa 3.
The result is usually like this: "hurr, what a shit game, how am I supposed to know where to go?"
>>340513542
the exploration for the stupid secrets stars are in par with finding a key in SMW
Galaxy has zero exploration in game
>>340513178
I implore you to reconsider
>>340513668
There are corridors, and you shoot. Thus, corridor shooter.
>>340511705
uncharted 4 takes 13 hours on normal with pretty much no exploring
>>340513716
and that's how I like it
>>340513724
>corridor shooter
>you don't shoot corridors
Explain this
>>340513707
Excessive linearity is still a design flaw in mos cases. It generally leaves very little room for things like tactical decisions to be expressed.
>>340513818
>open world
>the world never opens
>>340513818
No, you shoot things that are IN corridors. Like how a whorehouse dancer dances in a whorehouse.
>>340513807
and? you did nothing to prove it's non-linear
>>340513832
>1358727357678-1024x576.jpg
>yfw MGSV singlehandedly redpilled everyone on openworld gaming
>>340513973
>1458107651-ad06b0abd1e773bf76c5175559ec07c7.gif
>>340511317
>Open world is bad
Getting tired of both memes desu senpai
>>340513934
eh, doesn't matter
my point was to mention great linear games
>>340514007
The exploration was so dull. I wanted Ground Zeroes x 20
After playing it I became scared of what the new Zelda is going to be like. And I'm a huge Zelda fan.
Can we nuke this thread
>>340514073
>>340514158
regards what you think, my point still stands.
don't compare Galaxy to shit like anything open courses in 64 or or episodes in Shitshine
>>340511419
contrarian PRG codex fags and /v/irgins aren't everyone
>>340511656
Too bad most of the time that isn't the case, see the Witcher 2. Linear games without a multiplayer are atrocious
>>340513832
Weeb faggot kill yourself
>>340511705
Yeah, back in the snes days every game was 30 hours long, Mario World 60 hours easily
That was before Sony ruined everything
>>340514305
>this post
why are you so bottom befuddled?
>>340513973
>>340514073
>>340514187
>>340514415
>weeb image
>shit post
every time
>>340513336
>Metroidvania is generally poor man's Zelda
Other way around
>>340514372
>don't compare Galaxy to shit like anything open courses in 64 or or episodes in Shitshine
calm down, edgyboy
>>340514479
>getting images from pinterest
fucking newfags
>>340514479
It is a corridor shooter, you on the other hand are a pathetic fucking manchild with zero signs of any testosterone and whose life consists entirely of jerking off to underage girls in cartoons.
welp my thread went to shit
it was fun while it lasted though
someone please start dumping porn of Mei from Overwatch
>>340514716
>tumblr
>>340514716
I sincerely hope a relative comes over and sees your pathetic fucking folder of fap bait and sends you to a rehabilitation centre.
>>340514765
weebs ruin everything
>>340514865
you did, that weeb is my favorite person in this thread
>>340514621
>doom is a corridor shooter
>>340514953
It is objectively a corridor shooter, you on the other hand are a broken record with no argument. Fucking weeb faggot no wonder you like Doom.
>>340515004
spam is against the rules : ^ )
no but seriously
mei porn
>>340515052
>doom is a corridor shooter
>>340515126
>It is objectively a corridor shooter, you on the other hand are a broken record with no argument. Fucking weeb faggot no wonder you like Doom.
>>340514538
calling me edgy? at least i don't wear leather.
>>340515251
Doom is a corridor shooter, objectively.
>>340515241
FUCKYOU
>>340514440
>Mario World is 60 hours easy
wut
>>340515337
>>340515337
>>340515405
holy shit
>>340515415
I'm glad that's settled. That doesn't mean DOOM is a bad game, because it's not, it's a great game. It just also happens to be a great corridor shooter.
>>340515523
It's host to re-used assets, boring easy fast gameplay, zero exploration, no sense of impact in the guns, feels like playing Tetris, and corridor shooters are terrible.
Halo CE improved on it in every conceivable way.
>>340515707
DOOM laid the groundwork, though, and even though Halo is better, it's still a great game.
>>340512741
>MGS3 was an incredible good linear game.
every time someone says this shit its the best way to spot a retarded memedditor who either has zero thoughts of their own or their definition of a good game just is "i played it when i was a faggy kik lol nostalgia :) "
>>340516792
I've never played MGS3, but I know enough about video games to know that you're just being a contrarian by hating it.
>>340516947
Ive played through it countless times to give it a fair shot at being good- theres nothing "contrarian" about disagreeing with a retarded mass of memespouters who never have a single argument for why is it supposed to be a good game even inside its own franchise
The game before it and the game after it are literally better in every possible way- MGS2 felt like a challenging arcade game with amazing guard AI, one big looping level, good graphics/ performance for a PS2 game, interesting plot etc
MGS4 obviously had better graphics, unique gimmicks that you wont find in other TPS games, automated stupid shit from MGS3 or removed unnecessary garbage alltogether, more technology and guard manipulation etc, much more weapons and overall deeper mechanics
MGS3 is praised because its LITERALLY babbys first game: the game
Its mechanics and controls make someone burst into laughter if they attempted it now after getting used to playing better games- most of the gametime is either you crawling in grass while being invisible, or browsing menus to either cure yourself, eat food, or to see which camo has the highest stats
most bossfights are very bad compared to the ones from MGS1 and 2- not to mention the characters themselves, I doubt those even need an explanation for why they are bad
Pic related is another stealth game that came out when MGS3 did- with incredible animations, proper controls, big, interconnected levels with multiple objectives, graphics that still hold up etc
MGS3 is the most overrated game of all time
>>340517354
Well, I can't give you an opinion, because I don't really play Japanese games, but my little brother loved it, and he's dead now, so I'm gonna call you a faggor or whatever in his name.
the only games I enjoyed that can be classified as non linear are from the Romancing SaGa series
maybe because it doesn't take an eternity to get from one place to another, and the battle/event rank discourages wasting time on pointless shit idk
>>340517584
He enjoyed eating shit so much he died because of it
Nothing you say has zero value because you genuinely admitted that
>You have not played the game
>You say its good because you heard its good
>Muh dead family member
same lump as le ocarina of time is the bes gaem evahhhh gamur girls
>>340511656
>ive always liked linear games, because devs actually have to put more effort into level design so the game doesn't suck
>linear design takes more effort than open world
Actually, it's the other way around. Linear games are so simple that you just do a "scene-by-scene" of sorts. Like a movie. You go from point A to point B, cutscene/cinematic, do something, boss encounter (if any), and so on. Rearrange the order of it, rinse and repeat.
Open world gives you more freedom, but you have to have something to do with it. It requires more effort in designing decent open worlds than decent linears/on-rails.
The problem with the open worlds in the industry is that it has devs like Ubishit that keeps making bad open worlds. What good is it to have a very big and detailed sandbox, when you've nothing to do? There should be something to do once you've finished the main quests/missions.
Look at GTA. The formula is simple, but it's fun because there's always something to do. You can fuck hookers, cause mayhem, collect various stuff (collectibles for some achievement or unlocks), steal various vehicles, steal weapons, try out mods, and so on. Linear games are very linear that you can't really have a different experience every time to play. Most don't even have mod support, outside of skins.
I'd take open world over linear, any day. I could handle the freedom. I don't need someone to hold my hand or be told what to do.
>>340517354
did a copy of MGS3 molest you or something
>>340517960
>You can fuck hookers, cause mayhem, collect various stuff (collectibles for some achievement or unlocks), steal various vehicles, steal weapons, try out mods, and so on
It's fun 5 minutes
>>340517778
Actually, he enjoyed heroin so much he died because of it.
I agree that every Zelda game is overrated, though. Then again, I've never played past the tutorial in any of them.
![Red_Dead_Redemption[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3gNBzW1.jpg "Red_Dead_Redemption[1].jpg")
>open world can't be done well.
>>340511923
liner just means, if you do something in specific fashion.
for example doom is lienar, even tho levels are very puzzle like, and Megaman is non-linear because its hub based and you choose your path.
>>340518034
>have arguments for why the game is laughably overrated
>kindergarten meme response
average MGS3 fan here
>>340518184
Sounds like a retarded person, no wonder he liked MGS3
>>340518042
You haven't tried the mods? Oh wait... are you playing the console version?
Been trying out different mods for it. I spent like thousands of hours on it, like I did Skyrim.
>>340518276
You've never done pain killers or smoked opium? Getting hooked on heroin is by no means a good decision, but it's not like opiates don't feel amazing.
>>340518276
Why is that blobfish wearing a hat and glasses?
>>340518276
Average fanboy really
While I agree that responses like "just don't play it" or "fuck off hater" are really retarded, you aimed it at the wrong person. That anon jokingly said that, probably wasn't even the same guy you responded to.
>>340518462
the people who abuse substances are usually retards who are talentless at almost everything and hence cant derive enjoyment from putting their talents to use
>>340517960
show us on the doll where kojima touched you
>>340518758
>the people who abuse substances are usually retards who are talentless at almost everything and hence cant derive enjoyment from putting their talents to use
You're so autistic you wouldn't be able to pull off a drug deal with a briefcase full of money and Hunter S. Thompson's rolodex.
>>340514520
This ofc
>>340515157
Who's the girl on the top left? She has a really cute cheek.
what's up with all of the deleted posts?
