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WHO IS THE MOST OP?
Zenyatta
how the fuck do you play as D Va
her main gun is shiiiiiiit
in order
Widowmaker
McCree
-----power gap----
Everyone else
Lucien
>>340420263
Abuse shift. Run into people for bonus damage, melee, then shotgun them down to finish.
Don't treat her like a tank. Shes a flanker/harassaser/assasin.
Zip around, kill mercy, shift the fuck out asap and get a health kit.
>>340420007
Widowmaker is too strong
Mcree needs damage reduction on fan
Reinhardt
>>340420263
kinda similar like winston, fly to weaker enemies, shoot them and fly away.
>>340420612
>"Tank" champion
> best way to play her is not like a tank
I can tell this game has impeccable design
>>340420982
she is something of a tank. She can bumrush turrets and kill them quite quickly while being a distraction, use defense matrix to absorb ults (including reaper and pharah), and throw her mech into a chokepoint to clear it out.
it's just, you can't play her like Reinhardt. She has to keep flitting about the back lines when not doing the above.
You mother.
I literally scrolled past 4 overwatch threads.
>>340420982
She has a lot of health and a defensive ability. Not as a pure a tank as reinhardt, but still holds to the niche. Variety within the broad classes is good.
>>340420007
Widowmaker and Mcree are pretty op.
>mfw i just got the Whoa There trophy
>>340420982
No one cares you moba nerd. This is a game largely about shooting people in the face.
>>340421381
>>340421258
Primarily her role is to give free ult meter to the opposing team until she gets buffed.
>>340420439
Literally this
Then I'd have to say Reinhardt or Mercy's ult (Literally the only reason to use her because it goes up so damn fast)
Winston
A good Lucio by far
People think McCree is good because they are shitters, he can only flashbang/do a ton of dmg with fan hammer if he flanks you (in which you deserve to be punished) or you get too close to him (in which you deserve to be punished)
>>340421851
that's roadhog
>>340420439
McCree only needs a nerf to fan and/or to his roll reload and then he'd be alright. You can hit Widowmaker with 10 different nerfs and she'd still be overpowered.
>>340422061
xd yeah! a character with a guaranteed free kill sure is balanced because u desrverd it!!
You fucking idiots try to act superior but don't realize how fucking poorly balanced the game is because A) you're a blind fanboy or B) Play the broken character
You probably also think widowmaker is completely okay how she is right now too, faggot
>>340420007
You are
Widowmaker
Having a hitscan OHKO weapon is ridiculous compared to the other characters, her ability is broken as fuck giving wallhack to the entire team while recharging quickly and not giving a notification to the other team, and anything that is supposed to counter her like tracer, assuming they even get close without getting seen and shot, just get hit with the poison mine while widowmaker grapples away.
Her only real counter is another widowmaker, and she's such a huge benefit to the team that having at least one is pretty much a necessity.
>two widowmakers
>reinhardt
>mercy
>pharah
>whatever
Literally all you need for offense on any payload map. It's completely broken.
>>340420263
>Kill other tanks like zyra and winston up close
>Roadhog does shit damage to you because the way armor works
>avoid carries up close
>Die, but not really
>Just run backwards firing your gun with oversized projectiles at enemy
>5 seconds later another mech
The only BS is how big her headshot hitbox is, but she is really the anti tank tank. Also her E is hilarious against some ults like pharas, does jack shit
>>340420007
No one is OP
If you think they are then you are probably shit
But fuck McCree, he's a cunt
>>340422061
I don't care if I die to a McCree that does flashbang > FTH to a low health character.
I care if I'm a goddamn tank and I die immediately to Flashbang > FTH > Roll > FTH without him having to do any headshots at all.
His FTH is getting nerfed anyway. Good.
>>340422782
Widowmaker is beyond broken, if you don't realize that you probably "main" her and your opinion is shit and invalidated.
>>340420439
Make widowmaker have 150 health, then anti snipers will have a decent chance against well protected ones.
I don't play mcree but really his only annoying thing was flash bang, they should have just made it a flash with no stun and made it last slightly longer.
>>340420007
/v/ IS NOT FOR ADVERTISING
SHILL SOMEONE ELSE
FUCK OFF WITH YOUR SHITTY SHILL THREAD
>>340422907
I hardly play her beyond shitting on other Widows and Bastions. Her charge needs a small nerf on the sniper and ult then she's fine.
>>340423070
She needs to not be able to fire as quickly + longer charge time.
I used to think it was Bastion, then I played for more than an hour. I used to think it was Genji, then I played for more than five hours. I used to think it was Mei, then I came to my senses. It's not McRee, just don't challenge him 1v1 and he's easy.
Widow has passable health, deals a shit ton of damage from anywhere, can get to most locations with her ult, has literal wallhacks, also has a machine gun. Widow is OP, anyone who says anything else has no idea what they are talking about.
>>340422997
I remember reading the only reason Widow doesn't have 150 hp is because in a hypothetical sniper battle, it would be bullshit if one widow got a headshot, the other got a bodyshot but they still killed eachother.
>>340423160
Her RoF is fine since it does fuck all damage at anything not 100% but the charge is way too fast.
>>340422641
This desu
As genji it pisses me off to no end to almost kill Widow, have Mercy super fly over and heal widow.
I have actually gone up against that but with a turret protecting both Widows
>>340422907
The only reason you whiny shitters think any character is OP is because you're bad at the game. Once Mcree/WM gets the nerfbat, you will move on to bitch about another character, and when that one gets nerfed as well, to another and the cycle will repeat.
The game is designed around team-play and counterpicking classes, not going at it alone like you do in CoD/Battlefield, but even when you have the advantage of a Winston's shield, double health and armor + 6 sec cd leap, you still can't beat the scissors with your rock, because you're bad.
>>340423434
her body shots shouldnt deal 150 damage, that one shots 2 (3) characters, and drops most of the cast to 25%
>>340423434
They could literally just solve that with 151 health but I guess that would look sloppy.
>>340422881
>Flashbang doesn't work on shield, so you let a McCree flank you or you put down the shield like a tard
>Not hooking McCree before he can even get close to you
git gud
What's his counter?
>>340423636
Games where one class gets picked every match on both teams, sometimes even two, means there is an obvious balancing issue and if you can't realize that I'm sorry but you're a fucking idiot and know literally nothing about what you speak of. Using >bad as your excuse further validates just how fucking retarded you are.
>>340423860
flashbang goes over a shield and stuns Rhine
>>340420007
Widow > McCree > Everyone else
>>340423951
Pharah
Snipers
>>340423636
If you honest to god don't think McCree is way too strong you're retarded.
He kills tanks way too fast and his stun is ridiculous, instant, and hilariously easy to land.
>>340423951
Any one
But if you want it even easier 76 cause his heal
>>340423951
Pharah and widowmaker, that's about it. But if he's above pharah he wins. Junkrat is so easy to play and so fun it's not right.
>>340423951
Pharah.
>>340423636
Is that your whole argument? "you are bad at the game"? Then what about competitive matches with 2 or 3 McCrees per team, are they bad as well?
How 2 Make Overwatch Great (Again)
>McCree's flashbang is now an actual fucking flashbang,no stun, just blinds whoever is hit for 1.5 seconds
>Widow has a slower charge time on her sniper and Ultimate.
>D'Va can now walk normally while shooting
>Zenyatta buffed to 200HP
>Tracer's blinks now take an extra second to recharge
>>340424130
His stun is not ridiculous.
Genji can put his reflect up about 2 shots into his FTH, which not only saves the genji but kills the Mccree because they're holding still when they FTH so that every shot hits.
His stun isn't that good.
>tfw Roadhog
>tfw you go full hog and blast people into outer space
>tfw you grab tracer, mercy, pharah, reaper, zenyatta, genji, hanzo, Torb, everything else during their big moment
>tfw you grab monkey man and one shot him from full health
Didn't know it was possible until yesterday. Every single pellet must of been a headshot or something.
>>340424523
>His stun isn't good because one hero can counter it slightly!
Fuck off retard
>>340424523
>Using Genji as an argument against flashbang
Jesus fuck nigger, flashbang doesn't require a direct hit, he can get stunned if you throw it to the ground/side/above. Even if you reflect it, Genji's reflect last a second longer than McCree's stun, so you are unable to attack before McCree gets out of his own stun. His stun is godlike.
>>340424694
Roadhog is honestly too good, he's not super broken but he's too damn strong for a tank. 600 health and he can wombo combo just about every other character every 6 seconds or so? Shit's bonkers.
I fucking love pulling tracers and blasting their boyfaces away as well as pulling widowmakers and hanzos off of ledges and pharahs in the air and just one shotting them.
>>340425257
If they nerf roadhog at all i will quit this game. He is literally perfect.
>>340424490
>actual flashbang
>missing the "bang" part that concusses
You're not very bright.
>>340424957
>>340424845
Never said Genji reflected the flashbang, or that genji is the only character to beat his FTH...
I'm saying Genji can act after the stun before he is killed by the FTH, meaning that EVERY hero can act unless they have less HP than Genji, which is Tracer and Mechless Dva...
His stun isn't that good.
>>340420612
Why would I pick Dva to do this when I could just pick multiple other heroes that do the job far better?
mercys ult needs to charge slower. right now it's a contest to see which one can spam the most rezzes. the contributions from the rest of the team barely matters.
>>340425587
she needs it to not be worse then lucio in every way.
>>340425403
>I'm saying Genji can act after the stun before he is killed by the FTH
You DO realize FTH can deal 420 damage, right?
>>340423636
Okay, how do you counterpick a widowmaker that has a pocket mercy? How do you counterpick dual McCree?
>>340425671
Pretty much.
Nerfing Mercy would be full retard.
>>340425390
Ah yes show me the part where the bang is actually visible on screen
>>340425403
Thank Christ the devs don't listen to retards like you
>>340425671
she should get a buff elsewhere to make up for it, but using an ult and having it charged to 100% again in 1 minute is ridiculous
>>340425257
he also has a huge head hitbox and is a sitting duck for a smart Pharah, and his arch Nemesis, a decent Reaper. A really good Hanzo or Widowmaker will also kill Roadhog fairly quickly.
So far I havent seen too many of those that have been a problem.
How to make Mercy better
>change her beam so it can heal other heroes around the one she's targeting at a reduced rate
>make her ult take at least 2x longer to fill up
Then she would have an actual purpose and her increased healing wouldn't make her ult more broken
>>340423636
Ahh the oh so wholesome git gud argument
>>340425403
>Heroes with 200 or even 250 health can react after being stunned into FTH
No, they cannot, unless someone like reaper or Mei get lucky with FTH rng.
>>340425706
Read the last sentence in my post and tell me how relevant the max damage that FTH can do....
Genji can act BEFORE the FTH is complete, meaning the flashbang doesn't stun for the entirety of the FTH, meaning....
His stun isn't that good.
>>340425571
She is still a better choice if you want to neutralize an ult, over the other tanks. It's just personal taste.
>>340425995
this
>>340420116
Zenyatta is low-key OP, I bet he gets buffed into crazy town in the future
>>340423816
Just give her 145 health and 5 armor or something
>>340425717
dual mccree is weak to a flying Pharah or Widowmaker/Hanzo
widowmaker with pocket mercy is extremely weak to a reaper that pops up behind them or goes around them. have to pay attention to when Widowmaker has her ult up though.
Lucio and mcree are the only acceptable answers. but other things do need a tune down like widow makers charge time and how fast mercy gets her ultimate
>>340420982
Winston is a flanker too.
>>340421750
(You)
>>340422214
lowering her fire rate by adding a reload animation like sniper in tf2 would be a fair nerf
>>340425995
To be fair to lucio, it would make more sense that the damage buff be aoe (not same bonus) instead of the heal. The heal shouldn't be changed.
>>340425257
a few counter points
Hes slow
lackluster at actually "tanking" and provides minimal support to team HP pool isn't that great when no one can miss you and you have no
Outside of hook one shots your ability to stay in sustained fighting is pretty poor
>>340422420
>Her only real counter is another widowmaker
Winston absolutely destroys her. If you are or have a competent Winston on your team there is fuck all their Widowmaker can do to stop the monkey dick.
>>340426235
But you (or the guy I responded to) just said she isn't a tank.
>>340426378
>McCree is weak to character who are countered by hitscan
>Widowmaker/Mercy is weak to a character with limited flanking ability and limited chasing ability who has to kill her and her pocket healer solo while she is damage boosted and has to hope she doesn't have her anti-flanking ult up while also getting past her team
Lmao, no. Stop.
>>340426631
fucking formating, sorry
Hes slow, poor at tanking, really large so hp pool isnt as good as it appears, and he sucks at sustained fights.
>>340426631
his tanking aspect is probably the gas can heal. It can stack with other healing effects and has a extremely short cooldown. He can survive a hanzo ult depending on where he was standing if he uses the gas can.
>>340426701
Winston gets bodied if the Widow has a Mercy amping/healing her, which is the meta of competitive right now, with the only real counter being using it yourself.
>>340420612
Reinhardt really is the only tank isn't he?
McCree is pretty bad. He can pretty much only do damage in melee range and he has no movement to get there.
>>340426378
>mcree is weak to parah and hanzo
nope
>mcree is weak to widowmaker
debatable at long distance, mccree wins up close
>>340420982
>champion
>talks about design
Gtfo you lol shitter
>>340426631
600 health is a lot of health, his ult pushes everything away, his weapon does a ridiculous amount of damage, his chain one-hit combos almost everything, and his heal is ridiculous and you can stand there and use it while multiple people are attacking and still get away when your teammates come. He's a really really strong character but like you pointed out he can be taken out fairly easily if you're competent.
>>340426741
>what is teleport
must be a lot of bad pocket mercy/widowmaker then
it isn't that hard to kill them because the mercy is sitting there like they are afk and the mercy is paying attention to the scope.
>>340426985
i would argue yes Zarya is closer to him then the others, but neither Roadhog nor DVA want to play like Rein
>>340427061
fire a scatter arrow at his feet, fairly good chance of mccree dying instantly
>>340422061
>Mcree is f-fine guys you just suck hahaha.
Can't wait for him to get nerfed so you'll know how much of a shitter you are.
>>340427121
>It's fine if the mercy is bad
This doesn't make it a counter, any normal mercy would be looking around for a flank while they amp, heal.
Teleport isn't going to help you chase a widow/mercy if she even feels the need to zip away from you, which she won't, because she'll just kill you because she's being amped/healed.
>>340426631
roadhog's niche is the laundry list of ultimates that he's able to survive which is most of them but you're spot on about everything else
>>340420007
This game makes me so fucking salty and is literally making me worse at playing video games.
>Escort the payload
>there's always a fucking widdowmaker AND Hanzo
>They rockin a respectable 0.03 KD
>People run off point to chase kills
>run into ambushes
>die
>Entire team respawns and runs head first solo into defending team
>no one ever groups up
>Bastions and Toblerones everywhere
WhoTheFuckAreThesePeople.webem
when games start going like this I just fucking switch to Junkrat and run in circles. It's a fucking nightmare
PUGs in this game are a fucking joke.
If you have a group to play with and coordinate, it's a fucking faceroll joke.
>>340427265
fairly good chance before he fires the arrow hes already flashed
>>340424694
tfw no pudge skin for roadhog
nobody is really OP, but tracer is the best
>>340427061
>Pharah doesn't counter McCree
Have you ever played this matchup?
>>340427409
It's amazing how having just 2 randoms on your team can spell loss for you because of how fucking incompetent they are. It never ceases to amaze me.
>group of 4
>2 randoms
>always shit
>always, always, always fucking shit
>always pick widowmaker or hanzo, sometimes both
>always sit back and don't do shit
>can't ever outsnipe the enemy sniper
>never go healer, support, or switch roles
>will then bitch when you ask them to switch or contribute to the fucking team
I can't believe how fucking cancerous and awful the community on the PC is.
>>340420982
She's the "Jack of all trades Tank, but master of none" That's why she's in that weird spot.
But the only buff she needs is to remove the critbox on her Mech form so she'll actually be the tankiest tank. Having a critbox the size of Tobjorns entire body makes her melt pretty quickly.
>>340424490
How's the heal rate on Zenyatta's harmony orb? I'd be tempted to say that making him better at supporting is more important than health, since he's best played at mid-long range anyways.
>>340422238
>so bad at the game he actually calls mccree broken
anon, i....
>>340427708
mccree counters pharah you retard
>>340426197
Genji would be dead before the FTH is complete anyways, unless you're basing your theory on a scenario where the McRee is missing half his shots on a stunned target?
>>340427708
Have you? The counter to pharah specifically is hitscan, she gets fucking destroyed by soldier, McCree and Widow. That is why she isn't played in comp, because Widow and McCree are the two best heroes in the game right now and the meta revolves completely around shutting them down.
McCree and widowmaker as every one has said already
I hope they nerf McCrees fan and not his ranged ability, headshoting as him is really satisfying
>>340427708
>pharah, a character weak to hitscan weapons
>mcree a character with a hitscan 6 bullet weapon that can do 35-70 damage per shot, even more with head shots
have you?
>>340427827
>"pros" pick 3 McCrees per team
>thinks it's not broken
You're a fucking retard and should literally be revoked from posting online.
>>340427795
you mad?
>>340420007
>enemy team defending
>They have 2 torbjorns and 2 symmetras a mercy and a bastion
They limit duplicate characters to one pair per team.
>>340427907
takes a fair amount of aim to headshot a moving pharah in the air as mccree. Not saying it can't be done mind you.
>>340427931
You underaged?Trick question I know you are
tbf on console mccree and widow aren't great and pharah dominates cause no one can aim up
>>340420007
Mei is quite literally the only OP character in the game. She can literally do ANYTHING: become invicible, block off an entire path, kill the entire team with her ultimate easily, health 1/3 of her health, win almost any 1v1
All they need to do is take away her healing ability and I'm good.
>>340428049
I don't have a problem switching but I do have a problem for my team diving headfirst into torb turrents instead of letting me take them out first with Widowmaker.
>>340427981
>cant handle a couple turrets
you're on those same shitter teams that lose when my team picks 6 toblerones, arent you?
>>340427931
>bum affording all that booze
she's doing pretty good
>>340427795
And there's literally no inscentive to get better.
Fucking none.
You get EXP either way. So why should anyone fucking bother to do anything but be a shitter and just grind out levels by losing constantly.
What Blizz SHOULD do is dock exp for attackers that were never on the objective.
Like, if it shows you had zero time on objective as an attacker, it should still show you your EXP screen, but then in big bold letters show "OBJECTIVE TIME ZERO" and show a red bar of youe exp decreasing, showing the difference in what your exp could have been.
If they're bad enough they could even get negative EXP.
Seriously, this one change could fix a fucking lot.
>>340428041
it's extremely easy to hit pharah in the air with a mouse
>>340422676
She also does really well against Tobjorn and Symmetra since turrets can't get headshots and if you have a healer on the other team, she can just aggro the turrets forever since most of her health is armor.
>>340427916
Kill them from far away
Pick Tracer
Pick any Reinhardt or Roadhog
Are you retarded? He's easily countered by half the cast
>>340421851
Lol
>>340428143
If someone is actually good as widowmaker then by all means play her, she's broken as hell and is an incredible help. But 99% of the time it's some weeaboo shitter that plays her because she's the epic sniper class and loses the game for us.
>>340427916
>overwatch
>pros
heh
furthermore
you aren't a pro and you aren't playing with pros
you won't get killed by mccree if you don't run into enclosed spaces like an idiot or get ambushed, get good
>>340427875
Mcree can deal 420 damage if all bullets hit
Genji can put his reflect up before the third shot unless they FTH'd instantly, in which case they likely missed the first shot. Either way Genji gets shot twice.
Genji takes 168 damage. Out of 200 health. He lives.
How the fuck is no one saying Hanzo isn't OP?
His arrow hitboxes are absolutely bullshit, most of the time it's not even near you but somehow still headshot 1HKs you. He also has wall hacks more frequently from Widow.
His Ult is the most broken in the game. He can clear out points with less skill than Rip Tire, death blossum, JUSTICE and it doesn't leave him vulnerable at all like pretty much every other ult designed around killing a lot of people.
I think just because WM is blatantly OP, people tend to ignore that the other sniper is OP because its not as obvious. but he still needs a nerf
>>340427795
>I shouldn't change classes, they should!
>me and my premades should dictate what our pickups are able to play!
>>340428306
>ITS OKAY IF HES BROKEN BECAUSE YOURE NOT A PROFESSIONAL PLAYER
McCucking fuck yourself faggot.
>>340428375
>other pickups choose roles that are literally no help
>IM HELPING
You're not
>>340428336
>How the fuck is no one saying Hanzo isn't OP?
Because Widowmaker outclasses in almost every possible aspect and his ult has a huge callout. Damn it nigger play the game a little bit more before crying.
>>340428126
SKILL
>>340428150
what is the counter to 6 torb and still being able to push the objective when they are all yelling
MOL
TEN
CORE
>>340428209
You get significantly more XP for winning.
It doesn't matter anyways because of forced 50% winrate, you're going to get equalized one way or another unless you play in a 6-stack that are so good that you at least have a fighting chance to beat anybody who plays the game.
>>340428375
Where did I ever say that or imply that? I switch classes anytime I need to; usually because the randoms on my team are fucking awful.
Are you trying to imply that randoms shouldn't change classes to benefit the game and actually win because a premade asked them nicely to? You're a literal shitter.
>>340428547
Still widowmaker or go Gengi if you think they'll Molten Core
>>340428336
Lol
the same reason that Mei isn't considered op, because he's not that good, you're just a whiny little bitch
>>340428248
>thinking reinhardt or tracers counters mecree
is this bait? one of the only characters to give mcree any trouble is roadhog because he can instakill him with the hook combo. but even then if mcree gets the flash first it still probably goes in his favor
>>340428306
McCree main here. Nah. He's still really strong even from a distance. Those crit headshots are always a party. McCree really is bullshit at present so you may as well take advantage of it. When the nerf hammer hits guys this strong, they usually wind up useless after the nerf.
>>340428248
How do they counter him?
>reinhardt - literally walk through his shield, stun and kill
>roadhog - stun and kill
>tracer - stun and kill
>>340428306
>being this retarded
>>340428426
get
good
i literally never get killed by mccree because i'm not braindead, you have no excuse
>>340428248
>Kill someone with hitscan from far away
>Pick a hero who is the exact kind of hero that McCree was designed to counter
>Pick a hero who does no damage and is huge who will get melted by one or two FTH
Lmao, clueless idiot.
>>340428656
No its not bait, youre just bad. Tracer can easily escape his flashbang before he can fire off all his bullets, same with Mei and Reinhardt. I have never lost against McCree as any of those three if I was at full or atleast most of my health
>>340423636
>this game is perfectly balanced and anyone who says otherwise is just bad unlike me of course
>>340428636
>significant
if you are in a group you get within 1k of winning if you at least make 2/3rds of the match and get a few gold medals.
Nothing to sneeze at I guess.
It's kind of crazy how everybody thought Bastion was OP, then a couple weeks of this game being out and he's barely used and people counter him so easily now.
>>340428547
Junkrat, hide a round a corner, bounce pills off the wall around the corner.
Sit on the ground as Pharah and peek about corners to shoot rockets
co-ordinate your team to focus 'em down
>>340428336
There is no point in playing Hanzo when Widowmaker exists. His ult has situational uses but even then Widow's ult is useful at any time in any map on any side.
>>340428849
>that one fucking end corner at the end of the city map
too hard to bounce grenades there
fuck
>>340427870
>>340427907
>Press Shift
>McCree instantly can't kill you because most McCree players are too retarded to press LMB or even have good aim
>Even on the ground you can press E to tell him to fuck off
You are a shit Pharah or you play against shit Pharahs if you die to McCree
>>340420612
I seem to have more success at sitting on mercys and widows with winston. His gun is auto-aim so floaty mercys are no problem, his jump is on a shorter cooldown so you can flee/follow easier, you can attack while shielded, he's not slowed while attacking and his ult is actually viable.
>>340421851
Just another reason as to why ults never should have been a thing
I'm tired of teams literally feeding the enemy team with free damage and especially the Mercy which they never kill so she get in ten resurrects each match. I try to kill her myself but I don't play widowmaker so I can't one shot her.
>>340428636
>forced 50% winrate
why do you faggots keep repeating this meme
>>340428796
B A D
A
D
>>340428643
I'm not the one crying on the Internet and blaming my losses on other people
If you and your shitter friends can't carry 2 pubs it says more about you than them :^)
So, why did people think that Pharah was an amputee? Was there any evidence to suggest that, or are they just so desperate that they arbitrarily apply their fetish to everything? I saw quite a few people posting about it.
>>340428804
>Tracer can easily escape his flashbang before he can fire off all his bullets
thank god it only takes 2 bullets to kill her while flashed
>Mei and Reinhardt
lmao talk to me when you get out of the shitter league
i wouldn't say he's op but i honestly think rein needs toning down a little
>>340428984
>It's fine because if the enemy is retarded it's a counter
Never post again.
>>340429095
Pharahs armor has jointed limbs. Similar to the kind action figures have.
>>340428106
She's actually fairly underpowered. She's among the 3 least played heroes, and is completely incapable of defeating anyone unless she can force a 1v1. If you have any sort of coordination or communication in your group, this will be almost impossible for her. Her ice wall is only useful in niche situations and small areas (and can block allies' shots as well). Her invincibility and heal come at the price of immobility and predictability. If you break out early, you lose a lot of healing.
Even if caught in a 1v1, many characters can escape easily. Reaper can shift, Tracer can blink or recall, Pharah can fly, Genji can dash, Soldier can sprint, Widowmaker can grapple, Junkrat can trap + rocket jump, D.va can fly, Reinhardt can charge or shield, Winston can jump, Zarya can shield, Roadhog has too much health, Mercy can guardian angel, Lucio can speed boost, etc. McCree can also just stun and kill.
Really, she needs a buff to ice spike damage and her mist. Either that, or more mobility, possibly in the form of spraying ice in front of herself and skating on it.
NERF THIS >:3
>mccree can only do damage if hes 10 feet away from you
>has no way to close the distance
>people think he's a good character
lmao if you die to mccree you're shit
>>340429042
Because it's true? It's the same shit as CS and Dota.
>>340426543
This. The kill cam being her get in a body shot and then rapid firing uncharged shots until one hits is getting on my nerves. Sniper rifles aren't supposed to have a high fire rate, that's why they have insane damage, accuracy and a scope so you can attack from safe distances. Widowmaker is babies' first sniper.
>>340429101
>no argument against them
Ok pal,doesnt change the fact that im right. Mei can tank enough shots to go into invincible mode and then put up a wall and Reinhardt can back up and shield since most McCrees are retarded and stand still
>>340428636
>You get significantly more XP for winning.
But that's my point, you win either way. Or at the very least, the game makes it appear as though you win either way.
Bad players need to actually be shown they are bad. Traditionally it was their KD or, they lost all of their stock (capture the flag and whatnot).
But with this pussified XP bullshit, people are literally staying as those kids who get a participation trophy, "Hey, you tried sport!" and are never seeing how little they actually contributed.
Then, with matchmaking how it is, they will always float around the skill threshold, which in turn brings down anyone trying to get through that threshold.
They need to be actually shown that they are no fucking contribution and penalized for it. At the very least it will make them stop playing if they refuse to get better.
As the game is right now, for shitters, it's all carrot and no stick.
>>340429064
Hey faggot, it's a team game. If you're going against competent players 2 people playing like literal babies can and will cost you the game. And if they refuse to switch to better roles or stop playing like retards yes it is there fault. You can't carry people in this game and if you think someone is bad because they can't you must have the mental capacity of a toddler.
JUST
>>340424694
How'd I get more guaranteed kills with the hook?
Some people just seem to use their evade ability or just seem to be able to move before I get my one shot kill.
Is there some method to it?
>>340429042
Because it's not a meme, dumbass.
Its been in nearly every multiplayer game since League of Legends and some devs who developed multiplayer games, such as HiRez and Smite have admitted.
When "the best players" in multiple team based multiplayer games are lower than a 59% W/L ratio unless they party up, it's a forced ratio. It's obnoxious as fuck and it's a real thing/
>>340429153
>Ignoring my entire post because you know I'm right
Fuck off retard
>>340429268
yeah mcree would be way worse if you had some sort of roll to close distance
>>340428482
>>340428951
again just because WM is more OP it doesn't mean Hanzo isn't OP as well
>>340428653
>le git gud meme
nice argument
getting sick of bullshit arrows being spammed that HS from across the map when the Hanzo is barely even aiming. His ult does have a callout, but so does Pharah, Mcree, Reaper, Junkrat and literally every other Ult that has huge point-clearing potential. It's just Hanzo's that doesn't leave him vulnerable AT ALL and is just a fire and forget, kill everyone on the point.
>>340429276
you're pretty dumb anon-kun
I like dumb boys
>>340429212
>blizztards will defend this
>>340428126
>>340428509
>you keep posting this webm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wGcNzFd3as
>>340429326
BUFF
>>340427040
He 2-shots people a mile away with headshots. Definitely not melee range only, that's just for his brain dead instagib combo.
>every character is OP
>heres how to fix them
>*insert horrible convoluted solution*
Every
God
Damn
Thread
>>340427827
He is broken you retard. That's why they're nerfing him.
Can someone tell me which is stronger even in close range max output?
Zarya's projectile or her beam?
>>340428804
You must be playing the worst McCrees ever if you kill them as Rein or Mei. Mei can't even take half a fan, and she has no escape from flash bang other than ice blocking right away and hoping the McCree is stupid enough to flashbang immediately.
Rein is a tank, which means McCree is his literal counter. Rein has three options. Keep the shield up, and the McCree throws the flashbang above the shield to stun you, then kills you with fan+roll+fan. If you swing, he stuns you and kills you with fan+roll+fan. If you charge, you miss and are now far from your own team, and are either dead or irrelevant.
>>340429291
Mccree out DPSs mei, your only argument is that she can run away, as for reinhardt your only argument is to put up a shield, it just shows how trash you are and the bad kids you play. mcree can flash over the shield fan the hammer roll through the shield and FTH again
>>340429153
>McCree instantly can't kill you because most McCree players are too retarded to press LMB or even have good aim
This is what you said, that McCree players are usually bad so they won't shoot you. Or do you want me to reply to all your inane shit too?
>Press Shift
Now McCree, as well as anybody else with a decent weapon to fuck you up can see you and start shooting you with the weapons that counter you, like McCree's revolver
>McCree instantly can't kill you because most McCree players are too retarded to press LMB or even have good aim
I-It's fine if they're retarded
>Even on the ground you can press E to tell him to fuck off
This doesn't do much other than change their positioning and possibly make it even harder for you to land your rockets while giving them more time to just hitscan you to death
Happy now? Am I still ignoring what you said? Lmao.
>>340429643
Beam due to sustained fire and contact if you can hold it on the target. Projectile is for lobbing and for catching people who wiggle too much.
>>340425995
Make it so that the beam passing through another player heals them. That way Mercy can heal other players, but it also takes more skill and attention to orient the beam.
Does widowmaker really need automatic fire?
You need to keep, or at least get back, some of your ulti charge when you change character. For a game built around counterpicking yet not showing you what the enemy is until the doors open, you can be at an instant disadvantage. If you do change character to counterpick one of them, any progress to your ulti is totally wasted. If you wait until its upo and find a good time to fire it, the enemy have all that time without that character being countered.
>>340429448
>What's the problem? It's just a wonky visual representation of the hurtbox to signify they've been hit. Shooting them in anywhere in the lower body hurtbox does the same amount of damage.
>>340429462
needles use the same hitbox as explosives because they're projectiles. And since they're slow and arc, as well as the hardest weapon to aim with it's a non-issue and doesn't affect game balance in the slightest.
>>340429462
>>340429639
Don't waste your time on these retards
they clearly know fuckall about video games, they're just here for the shitposting
>>340429850
it doesnt do her much good once you get that close anyway.
She only reks your shit if you go into her already wounded from a recent battle.
>>340429834
Considering she fully heals people in 2 sec that would be overkill. What's wrong with the current Mercy? Her entire playstyle is flying around making sure her team stays healed, and buffing damage when it counts
Widowmaker and Mcree need obvious nerfs
The game on PC needs better hitboxes, they are too lenient right now (see: Hanzo)
How about most UP? My top 5
5. D.Va
4. Symmetra
3. Pharah
2. Winston
1. Mei
>>340429448
As retarded as that hitbox is when the fuck are you going to be shooting at someones feet like that?
>>340429992
Her ult charges way too fast, while being one of the best ults in the game regardless of charge time.
>>340429992
her ult is ridiculous, that needs to be nerfed. The beam thing would just be a compensation.
>>340429879
It would be interesting to see only support and tank heroes getting a % of their ulti charge back. It might encourage DPS horny people to switch
>>340430016
>>340430079
>Make aim a requirement in overwatch
>lose entire playerbase
>>340429862
retard.
Widowmaker and Mccree are the only two true OP and broken heroes right now.
That said, they are so common and so OP it makes the game unfun
>>340430091
>>340430114
I agree with that, but the other guy was wanting a buff for some reason. Lucio is already overkill with his aoe heals
>>340430181
>>340429462
Pretty stale argument.
>>340420439
Ive never had trouble with everyone ther of theses charaters
>>340429487
Blizzard should not buff Bastion. Not because he's strong, but because if they do it will be impossible to win on attack with the shitters in freeplay if he has an even easier time of mowing them all down.
>>340430284
DELETE THIS
>>340430284
>TRUE SKILL-BASED OLD SCHOOL HARDCORE FPS
>>340423951
JUNKRAT ES BEST RAT
BOW BEFORE THE BEST DESIGNED AND MOST FUN CHARACTER.
>>340430042
You must be bad at the game.
No way in hell Pharah or Winston are anywhere near the bottom of the list.
Why is there people who think that Widow don't announce her ult?
She say "Personne n'échappe a mon regard", I don't know what that, but I think is " nobody can sacape from my sight ".
Widow and Mcree are slow and easy to avoid, I don't understand how people have so much trouble with them. They're only a problem if you're caught off guard.
>>340420007
Anyone who says Widowmaker or McCree is borderline retarded. If Widowmaker needs anything, it's probably a slower charge time or a slower rate of fire. If McCree needs a change, it also needs to be very minimal, regardless of what /v/ shitters will tell you. He's not some game-breaking anomaly that's impossible to counter, playng a good McCree that helps the team is actually a challenge.
The real issue is Hanzo. You can be a vegetable and still get kills left and right with his stupidly large, spammable hitboxes. And then you can get POTG on top of it by putting his ultimate wherever the fuck when everyone is distracted. Hanzo needs to be hit with the nerf bat hard.
>>340430284
DLETE THIS YOU FUCJ
>>340430284
>>340430181
Wow, these games are truely shit. Why does anyone play this garbage?
If it's too hard to make servers support proper FPS multiplayer games than just play good single player FPS games. How can anyone tolerate something like this?
>>340429448
That's totally a problem with Mei, and not hitboxes in general. Even if it was Mei specific, it takes 3 spikes to kill a McCree. That's some pretty shitty damage.
If you die on a consistent basis to Mei, Bastion, Hanzo, Symmetra, Zenyetta or Torbjorn, you're a fucking shitter. You're terrible, and you probably won't get better. The game won't ever be balanced for people as bad as you, so fuck off.
>>340430472
nice bait
>>340430472
>Snipers are easy to avoid, just don't walk into key areas you actually need to walk in to in order to win the game
Lmao.
>>340420982
> champion
Get /out/
>>340430042
>Pharah
>Mei
>Symmetra
>most Under Powered
>>340430472
>>340430494
You think this because you have low MMR. Play against an actual good Widowmaker before talking shit.
>>340430494
>HURR DURR
McCree isn't supposed to melt tanks
Widow's insane strength is only acceptable because she gets shut down by Winston
>>340430375
They should do something to it that makes it so literal retards can't get non-stop POTG killstreaks. Like adding recoil and reducing the clip size to the turret, and increase the speed-to-robot while slowing down the robot-to-turret so it's less hard counterable.
>>340430576
Yeah it's not like this game has tons of support and tank characters with shields and shit
Why don't you git gud instead of being a whiny bitch?
>>340430278
They really do kill the fun. I love the game, but lately I've been getting so sick of dying to a widowmaker covering one spot and shooting as soon as you pass it or a Mccree popping out of nowhere killing you with his two button guaranteed kill combo. Every other death in the game feels fair, but those two are just retarded and the game would be so much more enjoyable for everyone (except for McMaker players) if they cut them
Widow is not OP. You have to be an idiot if some window kill you
>>340430494
https://gfycat com/MiserlyTatteredHake
>>340430592
>Symmetra
>not UP
ITT: /v/ is shit at a casual shooter
literally git gud
>>340430445
It's maybe the lowest announcement in the game and you don't hear it if you're too far away or there's already a lot going on.
>>340423982
When people pick more than one character its not a design issue its a player issue and those teams never really work out to well
>>340429034
amen
>>340430704
>>340430494
Never realized just how bad /v/ is
>widow isn't OP
>hanzo is OP
lol
hanzo is one of the worst heroes in the whole game
if you get hit by his ult you must have legit brain damage
jesus christ
/v/ is so horrendously bad at video games
>>340430603
>>340430645
>>340430748
I'm not engaging you fuckbois.
I posted what I did knowing full well you people would come up with a million different excuses and hypothetical workarounds. The bottom line is that Hanzo is the only hero who presently needs any drastic change, period. That's all I'll say to you shiteaters.
>>340430994
Whatever you say, enjoy your MMR hell where Hanzo is "OP"
>>340420439
Play the ninja, empty your mind, deflect everything.
AlsoGit gud
A good widowmaker is annoying as fuck, because it means you're going to have to switch to somebody that can jump to her. This class was obviously made for casuals in mind are forgets that if you can aim at all you can kill literally any class with ease.
Pharah. this bitch is annoying as fuck if the person is half-way decent at the game. Mainly because you never realize she is above you or behind you until its too fucking late and you are already one rocket away from death. Her only counter is widowmaker because widowmaker counters EVERYBODY.
Roadhog, just annoying because if you don't dodge the hook you die. McCree plays the exact same way but, I find roadhog more annoying because his hook is like a goddam sniper rifle
Junkrat's riptire: Fuck this shit. How many times has this shitty thing made potg? Yes, you can always hear it then run the fuck back and attempt to shoot it, but when the thing jumps around and comes from out of nowhere it's hard to predict. It's blast range is pure insanity.
This is just like, you know, my opinion. Because of how I play, these 4 chuckle fucks always kill me the most.
>>340429661
Mei survives almost any McCree attack since she can put up her ice enclosure almost immediately.
>>340420982
"Champion"
Learn to aim moba faggot
>>340431193
Get stunned die
>>340430857
spotted the hanzo main
>>340431192
>a good widowmaker
>made for casuals
?
>>340430042
>Pharah
>Mei
>Giggling Whores
>>340427282
Its going to be nerfed because shitters like you cant manage him. Into the trash it goes, along with zenyatta.
>>340431343
You're adorable. I remember when I was low level and playing against first timers who died to hanzo ults.
Ah yes, long time ago. Now no one even picks Hanzo because he can't do anything and never hits his ult since everyone knows to just walk out of it.
>>340422420
>>>340420674
>all this Widow is OP.
I literally just got out of another thread full of people swearing up and down to no end that she is complete garbage and a liability.
Make your fucking minds up.
>>340422238
So, what do you play?
>>340431479
You are X
I am Mccree
We meet
I press E, fan you, roll and fan you again
What do you do?
Keep in mind that you are dead.
>>340431509
There's a reason Widowmaker is everywhere in "pro" games. Same as Mccree. They are just too strong not to use.
>>340430181
>GAIZ LOOK BAD HITBOXES
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S LIKE THIS IN LITERALLY EVERY FPS????
Like how fucking retarded are people to be making this argument. CS:GO, OW, TF2. CoD EVERY FPS HAS SHIT HITBOXES, if they made them smaller then you have the problem where you hit the model but not the box.
>>340425390
No, the BANG makes you lose your hearing.
>>340431509
>I literally just got out of another thread full of people swearing up and down to no end that she is complete garbage and a liability.
They were literal garbage then.
She is completely broken and if you have two that are competent on your team you can win anything right now without a challenge.
>>340431372
>>340431509
It's honestly simple. If you can aim she is the best class in the game and can kill literally anyone.
If you can't aim, she is the worst class in the game and does absolutely nothing.
>>340431192
I only really agree with Widowmaker, partially Roadhog. If the enemy team has a Pharah, occasionally check the air to see if a Pharah is hovering around up there. Junkrats riptire is fair considering it's only viable if he successfully dodges bullets with it, if you're too bad at hitting it then at least spread out so he'll kill maximum one person with it. The radius really isn't that big and only one kill is essentially a waste of ult.
Roadhog can be very annoying with how the hook seems to just home in on you even behind walls, sadly that's just the shitty server issues.
Mercy is the best single person healer, we can all agree with that.
Lucio can do bulk heals, but Mercy is made to support tanks like Bastion with health and damage boosts.
>>340424490
Widow's ult needs to only work inside the view of her scope, when she's scoped.
I don't know if it should only be for her, or for the entire team still.
>>340431372
She's extremely forgiving and lacks the weaknesses and compromises of a standard sniper. Also there's little to no incentive to go for headshots because of her high attack speed.
>>340431708
Actually her ult is still decent regardless of aim. But yes of course she relies on you being able to actually aim.
And if you can do that she is completely broken.
>>340422420
>>340426701
D.va can also completely destroy her
shift+defence matrix means that you can sneak up behind her while completely unharmed, letting you engage her upclose
>>340428815
Its not balanced, but isnt a moba either, you can change your fucking hero mid game, so you can counter the OP champion with his counter or pick the same champion.
Retarded moba mentality.
>>340431776
>, but Mercy is made to support tanks like Bastion with health and damage boosts.
I don't even know where to begin.
I wish /v/ would just be deleted. This amount of shittyness should be illegal. You are complete trash at this game and absolutely clueless.
>>340430284
BUT TF2 TAKES SKILL
>>340422214
>McCree only needs a nerf to fan
Unfortunately, it's just going to be nerfed to the ground. Dev said they want him to pose no threat to tanks anymore, which means he will just be a shit harasser for frail DPS characters.
>>340426197
What?
I've got some 30 hours as Genji and you definitely can NOT act before the FTH is complete.
The Mccree is waiting way too long after the stun if they get to do that to you.
>>340431509
Sounds like the kind of people who still think Bastion is OP. I don't like using the "you are bad" argument but it becomes clear how dominating she becomes later on. A good Widowmaker is a far bigger threat than any other character in the game.
>>340431776
>tanks like Bastion
>>340431991
Good
>making a character with good mid range have better close range than the close range tank buster, reaper.
>>340431991
He is a great anti flanker. What are you talking. He is good at too many things atm and has made Reaper as the tank killer obsolete
>>340423636
Blizzard fanboys are funny.
How can anyone be bad at a game without a skill ceiling? A game with hard counters, that will literally HAND you kills for pressing Q?
You can't be bad at Overwatch, and guess what, you can't be good either.
Screenshot this post, content crawl will be a failure and Overwatch will be dead in 8-12 months.
>>340431776
>tfw ywn intimately treat reinhardts injuries
>nobody saying Lucio is op
Lmao
>>340432205
>>340431938The joke is that he literally turns into a tank.
>>340420439
This
>>340432374
He's not though
>>340420007
Waiting for that widowmaker nerf. The bitch is way to strong right now. Also would be nice if they upped the volume of her ults audio cue.
>>340420806
winston can get away while diva gets shot down
>>340432461
Maybe if you're a shitter you'd think that.
>>340429462
Argument not applicable as almost all classes can headshot in Overwatch in one way or another and only ambassador spy and sniper can headshot in TF2
>>340432374
He's not OP, he's just good.
There are only two healers anyway, not like there's much choice
>>340429268
His gun does approx. 150 headshot damage
>>340430284
finally have weapon against tf2 skill fags
>>340420007
I fucking hate Mei so much.
>Armor lock skill straight out of Reach except it ALSO heals
>Freeze gun freezes you so fast that if you're anyone but McCree with a FtH ready to go then it's a free kill
>Ult is just the freeze gun but it's AOE
>Ice Wall is just "Fuck you, stop having fun"
What a piece of shit.
>>340432590
That's completely outdated, anon.
>>340430841
i would use D.va if this was a skin
>>340429448
le icicle in the knee
>every team has a reinhardt, a lucio or mercy and a widowmaker + a genji
wew
>>340432684
chill out
>>340432696
The picks haven't changed. Lucio hasn't been nerfed. He's literally a required pick on koth.
>>340432175
He definitely can though,
The flashbang only lasts 0.5-0.7 seconds, a fully loaded peacekeeper takes a full second to unload.
Even if they FTH at the same exact time as the stun, the stun ends before the FTH does.
The stun isn't that good.
How do you get good at Genji?
>enemy pro genjis do cool shit and harrass a whole team for minutes
>I pick him and die like some retard plus can't aim shuriken
>>340432684
If it was actually armor lock it would kill Reinhardt instantly if he charged you.Not defending it though even as someone who plays Mei a lot its bullshit, nothing wrong with the ice wall though
>>340432374
but i did, but i cant really think of a way to nerf him that wont ruin him, he just needs a rework
>>340427795
>>always pick widowmaker or hanzo, sometimes both
Fucking this. Especially the "both" part. The Hanzos are usually especially bad because they usually contribute absolutely nothing to the team.
>>340432861
How the fuck do you a pick a character 170% of the time?
>>340431991
>nerf fan to do piss damage
>the spread is still huge and can miss point blank
killing even a tracer is going to be pure rng now
>>340433078
Meaning there is always one and many times more than one on a team.
>>340430284
>the huntsman has broken hitboxes
Welcome to 2012
The huntsman uses projectile hitboxes instead of the hitscan ones
>>340433078
Not him, but I would guess this includes multiple instances of a character...
For example, a 200% chance for Lucio would mean there is a 100% chance of there being 2 Lucio's on your team.
That's just a guess, though.
>>340423951
>>340424302
>>340424259
>>340424114
>Facing off against Junkrat as Pharah
>Boost into the air
>Junkrat player just stands there, confused
Every single time.
>>340433078
i think that 100% on that chart means a character is pick on a team at least once while 200% is 2 of the same character are picked on a team everytime which means lucio is pick once 100% and 2nd one is chosen 70% of the time
>>340432861
>hanzo the second least used character
what is this shit? there's a hanzo in almost every other match i play.
>>340433268
It's pretty hard to kill a Pharah in the air as Junkrat
>>340433310
That's because you're at low to mid MMR
>>340432959
Flank. Get around the enemy and hit them from the back and sides and use your dash to either run away from or go THROUGH enemies to escape them and confuse them, and then come back and do it again after you're at full health.
If you spot anything you can deflect, activate it. Pharah is particularly nasty to do this to since you can deflect her rockets at her teammates and kill them. If they're wise to it and stop shooting you when you activate it just keep moving and get somewhere where they can't shoot you after it wears off.
>>340433245
>>340433245
>>340433285
If that's the case then you can throw the "competitive" bullshit out the window. No pro team is going to pick multiple Lucios, Reinhardts, Winstons or Mercys.
>>340432884
I don't give a shit about your theorycrafting. In the game you will absolutely not be able to act before the stun is over.
Remember latency, favor of the shooter, etc.
>>340433310
This is comp. Hanzo isn't bad at all it's just that widow is better.
>>340430284
>People making fun of OW because of enlarged hitboxes.
"What a fucking stupid game".
>Suddenly TF2 is actually the same.
"B-b-but, it's TF2!"
>>340433464
Uh... have you even watched any competitive Overwatch?
Multiple Winstons, Mccrees, lucios everywhere
>>340428308
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER OF DAMAGE AGAIN?
>>340433362
Yeah, but they could at least try to run and hide.
90% of the Junkrat players I've seen just panic, stand there, and take 2-3 rockets to the face before dying or finally realizing they should move.
>>340433464
Dual Winston is a fantastic comp you noob, and dual Lucio is most definitely a thing.
>>340432861
>competitive
wait is it already out? Have I been playing competitive this entire time and suffering with fucking randos? Is there some hidden server list I can view where I can drop in and drop out without blizzard getting butthurt about it?
>>340433538
McCree, perhaps. The others, you're smoking crack.
>>340433538
BUT MCCREE IS ONLY GOOD AGAINST SHIT PLAYERS. I WILL NOT LISTEN TO LOGIC
>>340432385
Don't expect autists to understand basic humour and wordplay.
>>340433464
what are you talking about? one lucio on heal and the other on speed boost extremely helps a team.
>payload defense
>let's pick bastion, widowmaker, torb, zenyatta and genji and expect the only roadhog to hold the payload alone
>>340426889
well yea if your going to bring up a perfect scenario
>>340433624
No. Competitive matchmaking isn't out yet. This is pro teams in tourneys and the like, they've been doing it since beta.
Genji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb8YQ1o8ihs
Too many cheating widowmakers with silent aim. Fuck they dont even need walls anymore. Set your aimbot to body and spamclick. Cant tell you how many times i been killed juking and jumping on thin heros like widow or tracer and get pop, pop, popped to death. Getting really old
>>340433592
>tfw they don't just try to minejump their way up in the air too and shoot you there
If they're going to play the crazy bastard they should at least play him in character
>>340433641
Stop posting you retard.
>>340433667
Also don't forget 5 Torbjorns. One turret for each enemy! KAPOW!
>Widowmaker is totally balanced guys!
>She never carries in my low mmr games!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcIEY9-mPn4
>>340432959
I don't really know, I can just tell you what I do
>Harass with Surikens to draw attention away from the rest of my team
>Purposefully get into the line of sight of Widowmakers, Hanzos. Bastions and High Noons for easy reflect kills
>When ult is ready run around the enemy team, pop it and then slash them all from behind.
I didn't git gud straight away, you'll have to practice for a few hours before you become "That fucking Genji" people complain about.
>>340427061
If you have a good Genji then he'll butt fuck McCree. Just bait out the pocket sand and then use your deflect swing in combo, das it mane
>>340433873
Nice argument.
>>340433748
I already know what this shit is without even clicking on it.
Here's a protip. A pro player being good at a character doesn't make the character overpowered, especially when that player using his skills and applying it to a different character would almost certainly be even better.
>>340433996
There has already been two different hard stats posted that prove you wrong you dumb faggot.
>>340431991
McCree was given his current iteration of Flashbang+Fan to counter the Tracer+Genji cancer that was rampant back then. However, he also melts tanks with FtH, which wasn't what they wanted him to do. So they're lowering FtH so he still oneshots 200 health classes with it, but can't melt Reinhardt/Roadhog by just going Rightclick->E->Shift->Rightclick.
>>340434005
>He's pro
>Was doing really shit before hand
Sure ;)
>>340433501
>In the game you will absolutely not be able to act before the stun is over.
I'm going to assume your NOT retarded and say you meant to say >before FTH is over.
Theorycrafting? It's statistically true that FTH takes longer than the stuns duration, and that you can't cancel the flashbangs throwing animation into FTH, meaning it is statistically true that the stun will never last until the end of the FTH.
If your gonna move the goalposts, do it less obviously.
>>340434183
Like I said, didn't even watch the shitty clip. Automatically and rightfully assumed it was another fag shilling seagull.
>>340433965
Best thing to do with the ult is to activate it before you're behind them so they hear the voice line coming from a different direction. If they hear it from behind and one or two of them turn around you're probably going to get fucked before you can do anything with it
>>340434005
Seagull was the reason Genji was nerfed though.
>>340428336
Are you serious? Hanzo's ult is really not that good. I'd say about 95% of the time I dodge it, as well as my team. It might get one straggler here or there, but that's it. It's only really good if combined with Zarya's ult, or if the enemy is super distracted by some shit.
I almost never see Hanzos wreck shit either. They're usually somewhat of a burden on a team, to be honest.
>>340434119
Or it just proves that your graph is bullshit.
>>340434330
Don't act like one player was the reason genji was nerfed back in beta.
We're talking about the game now anyway, not back when genji was really good.
>be zenyatta on defence
>Gibraltr
>See zarya
>Shes going for the toblerone
>Decide to duck around the side to ult in
>"Whoa there"
Nerf that piece of shit mcree please
>>340434272
>Doesn't watch clip
>Makes assumptions
Kek, literal retard logic as expected of a namefag.
>>340434345
What proves that graph is bullshit? You baselessly stating pro teams won't pick multiples of one hero? Learn what facts are you dumb cunt.
>>340431509
A good Widowmaker can wipe an entire team in 5 seconds.
Competitive matches have turned into "protect/harass the Widowmaker". Double Winston and double McCree are a symptom of the Widowmaker cancer. Double Winston in an attempt to get rid of Widow and her pocket Mercy, and double McCree to get rid of Reinhardt's shield that prevents your Widowmaker from countersniping her.
Even with Winston, her natural counter, you have to to retarded shit like buttjumps if she doesn't have a pocket Mercy(she does)and double Winstonand still buttjumpingif she does have a pocket Mercy.
>>340433823
where is proof
>>340434493
>wanting me to click your shitty youshill link and give you or some shitty channel you're a fan of views
Nope
ANYONE WHO KILLS YOU IS OP AND ANYONE I CAN KILL WITH IS FINE, HEALERS ARE ALL OP BECAUSE THEY STOP ME FROM KILLING
>BUT DA PROOOOS
>Video game "pros"
When is this meme going to die?
>>340434645
>HURR DURR SHILL
>Being a namefag
LE MEME'S XD
>>340431930
The only counter to Widowmaker is a better Widowmaker.
>>340434790
Try as hard as you want fag not giving that shit video views.
i think the problem with mccree is that almost any time you do to him feels like shit
other heroes i feel like "oh i messed up/i could've handled that better" but when it comes to mccree it's "alright he threw his stun which doesn't actually have to hit you and killed me in one fan"
I am the worst widow in all of overwatch
trust me
I can't even get silver medals
>>340434282
That's very true.
Also, I forgot to mention that you shouldn't be afraid to retreat if shit gets too dicey Genji is fast, has a double jump and can climb walls for a reason. Also learn where the health packs are, you can't really depend on a Healer for the shit you do as Genji.
>>340425257
he is an ult feeder
game is revolving around timing ults and charging ults
>>340434920
>HURR DURR SHILL, EVERYBODY SHILLS ON HERE, VIEWS GAMERGATE AD BLOCK LEELELELELELWELELELELELELWEIJGORHGIUERHGUIAHWUGHAERUIHAG
Reduce your sodium.
>>340433932
ah....... so this......... is the power......... of...... a pocket........ medic......
>>340433981
>Retards still thinking you can reliably deflect flashbang or fan
Usually a McCree stuns you from around the corner AND any decent McCree will throw it to the ground and not directly at you. Genji is ult fodder for most McCrees.
Maybe if you're a godlike Genji who dashes in and deflects McCree ult, saving your team, but I highly doubt that. His ult isn't that great anyway.
>>340420007
Currently Mcree, Also in defense a team of organised Torbjorns can be a real fucking pain, mei needs her icethrower range reduced slightly, not loads just like 10-20%
>>340435093
I'd like to see you do that good with a pocket medic, bucko
>>340435123
What do you base this off of? Because it's entirely wrong.
>playing solo
>teammate picks widowmaker/genji/hanzo
>ohboi another widowmaker/genji/hanzo being shit episode
>he carries the team
Those are always nice moments. I know it's ancedotal evidence but it always feels like the enemy team will always have that pro widowmaker/genji/hanzo player who will ruin your day.
>>340434418
GET THE FUCK /OUT/ FREEDOM FIGHT
YOUR OPINIONS ARE ALWAYS WORTHLESS
YOU ALWAYS SUGGEST HEROES TO BE NERFED BEYOND PLAYABILITY
YOUR ONLY ARGUMENTS ARE META CHARTS BECAUSE YOU SUCK PRO PLAYER DICK ALL DAY
I DON'T KNOW WHY EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD HASN'T FILTERED YOU AND STOPPED FEEDING YOU (YOU)S ALREADY, YOU DON'T EVEN DESERVE THIS ONE
>>340435416
>suggest to only nerf the two characters who are picked over 100 percent in comp
>hurrr ur opinions are shit lets nerf Mei and shit
>>340434856
What is genji?
>>340420007
McCree right now.
If he hits you with that flashbang you're almost guaranteed to be dead. It's silly.
FUCK THIS THREAD
FUCK EVERY META MAGGOT, PRO PLAYER PROLAPSER, OP OVULATER AND TRIPFAG TRASH
POST OVERWATCH COMICS
>>340434521
Pro teams don't pick multiple Lucios. Thats what happens when teams dick around. Your graph represents nonsense.
>>340435594
I don't want Mei to be nerfed, I don't want anyone to be nerfed.
And for all of your meta dicksucking, what happens when your pet problems are nerfed and the heroes they kept down take their spot? You'll be right back in these threads, demanding nerfs for the new 100% picks BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT METAS ARE ANTI-FUN BY NATURE AND THERE WILL ALWAYS BE CANCER SETUPS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY IMPACT ON AVERAGE PLAY
FUCK
>>340435824
Like I said, you spewing shit from your ass doesn't count as facts dipshit.
>>340435874
>I don't want anyone to be nerfed
Kek hello McCree faggot
You want anti fun how about you level up and play against double/triple McCree.
Holy fucking shit I'm sick of low level play
Every fucking game without fail it's instalock
>genji
>reaper
>mccree
>widowmaker
>>340432684
I really hate how far away she can freeze you from. It should only be within a few feet or so.
Typical situation with Mei
>she's getting attacked
>goes into her iceberg for invincibility and heals
>as soon as she comes out she puts up an ice wall to protect herself further
Man, that's annoying.
But it's hilarious when enemy Mei's fuck up their teammates.
>enemy Reinhardt does his ult
>knocks down about 3 people
>enemy Mei puts up her ice wall in front of him, completely fucking him over
>>340430494
I agree his hitboxes need to be nerfed but to compensate they need to buff his arrow damage or something.
He's not OP by any means. On PC Widow right now is almost always a better choice.
>>340428306
>just avoid the objective and lose, get good
Did you forget the part where none of the maps are deathmatch?
>>340420007
Mcree, or Lucio if you don't mean as a character and more as an asset.
>win a few games with same people
>le not enough players
>server disbands, searches for a new team
>get shit team mates now
le coincidence every time
>>340436006
I play Roadhog.
I hope McCrees keep raping you though, it must happen pretty often considering you can never keep your comments from spilling over with obvious salt.
The biggest issue with Overwatch is its biggest gimmick: The Ultimates
Winning as Defense basically requires Molten Core over and over, plus a teleporter if it's Point 1
Breaking a Defense basically requires RIP-Tire, Justice Rain, or whatever Zen's is called.
Winning the final point or the King of the Hill style maps boils down to "Which team will have the most survivors at the end of the Overtime Ultimate spam"
And sadly you can't just remove them, as that would make some defensive strategies near impenetrable
>>340435905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrWWapPUkeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8nZlqYK7X4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhTNHoqoa1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWndfFJB6b8
Etc etc.
Pro teams don't pick multiple Lucios, Mercys or Reinhardts. Its dumb that you're even trying to argue this.
>queue for quick play
>get put in ongoing game
>payload is 3 meters away from finish
>10 secs later it's there
>DEFEAT
thanks blizzard
>>340435656
Toast if the Widowmaker is any good at all.
Either she snipes him (hitscan so you can't reflect unless Widow is fucking retarded or you're a fucking psychic mindreader) or she just murders him with the gas grenade and her assault rifle mode. Genji can't kill her because lol pocket Mercy.
>>340436287
Everyone gets raped by McCree. Why do you think he is so commonly picked?
>>340436376
I thought gosugamer banned multiple hero picks.
>>340434440
True, but honestly if you are zenyatta and you bump into someone close quarters who ISN'T going to kill you?
Chances are it's going to be an assault hero and they will one or two shot you.
>>340427818
Can't really buff that without stepping on Mercy's toes. Zenyatta has the ability to heal a dude while debuffing an enemy and flinging 35 damage orbs all at the same time. Mercy has to dedicate herself to healing, and should be the best healer as a result.
>>340436491
Nope. Some of the games have two Tracers.
>>340436376
Seriously? I posted images from sites that literally collect all the picks from pro tourneys and games and it shows Lucio above 100 percent and McCree too and you think linking a few games is going to prove that wrong?
Holy shit you're actually retarded.
>>340432997
Make it so that he can't self heal at the same rate while taking damage. Seriously his survivability is stupid, he can outheal some character's damage.
>>340435103
any good Genji would bait his flash and if the McCree decides to save it for an upper hand then the Genji can just harass with his shurikens. Plus Genji has better mobility then McCree so if he's about to die then fucking shift outta there.
>>340432306
Get out kid, no one cares about callodooty anymore.
>>340436581
You posted a bullshit image with no source collecting some kind of alleged data which does not actually reflect anything. Which was the original point.
>>340436568
great, I'm stupid
>>340432684
I miss armor lock.
>>340436763
It literally has the source on the second image you fuck
>>340430042
>Pharah
>Mei
>Underpowered
As a Pharah/Mercy main, I'm calling total bullshit on this. And Mei is easily my most hated character, she isn't bad at all.
>>340436640
>bait his flash
Again, if he throws it at the ground you can't reflect it. You can't reflect splash.
>>340436914
Mei is shit, you're noob anecdotes don't change that.
>>340436914
>hating mei as a pharah
You are just about the hardest counter she has. Unless the mei is obscenely good at her alt fire.
>>340436935
well at this point im not saying deflecting his flash but just him wasting it cause he thought he has the range on you
What the fuck am I supposed to do when this fucker goes into Wraith Form? I rarely ever win against him because even if I'm raping him he just turns into a fucking Wraith and turns the tables.
Does it have a counter? Can certain heroes knock him out of it? I'm fucking sick of his shit whenever I'm playing support.
>>340436890
You're claiming that Lucio is picked 170% of the time, meaning that not only is Lucio in every pro team comp but he is picked twice 70% of the time. I've already post proof that this is nonsense and doesn't happen.
Like I said, your "source" is bullshit.
>>340432306
you're retarded.
this game has far more skill than almost any other team based FPS being released.
I'd LOVE for a good classic fortress game to be released but they're not gonna do that for awhile.
also you're gay.
>>340437091
No, wraith form is a free escape. It's also a free entry.
>>340437091
All you do is reload and get ready to shoot him when he comes out of Wraith.
It's just a delay death button for the most part.
>>340437091
It's not that hard to deal with. Just watch where the cunt goes and work with it. If it's allies/health then back off. Remember that he's totally useless in a fight when you have the slightest bit of range on him.
>>340437126
Your "proof" isn't shit bud. I posted two different images, one showed Lucio at a high 110 percentage pick rate, only the planet overwatch meta report showed pick rate above 150 percent. Go to planet overwatch and take it up with them if you think they're lying you retard.
>>340436461
>BUT MUH PICKS THE PICKS YOU SEE 100% THOSE PRO PLAYERS HUH
Like clockwork, freedom faggot. McCree counters a lot of heroes in a 1v1, particularly in close range, this is true. But by himself he can still be countered by certain heroes at mid to long range like Soldier 76, Hanzo, or even Bastion. McCree is also SHIT if you team up on him, at all, in any capacity. He's not meant for skirmishes.
But happens when you stack him by two and fill in the gaps with heroes that can back him up and take away his weaknesses? Surprise! Your average everyday competitive meta is born. The most-picked heroes, when used in tandem, are the broken aspect of the game. The individual heroes by themselves, in normal play, are not a problem.
Even if McCree or Lucio or whoever else gets nerfed, something new will crop up and you'll be complaining all over again. Until you realize how metas work by nature and how they're far, far removed from your average match, you'll keep up this fruitless, whiny struggle.
>>340437089
wow, so you're relying on a literal braindead mccree.
wtf.
Reaper and zarya are the only characters that can survive a non retarded mccree and that's only with clutch plays and hoping that netcode won't rewind your ability use.
>>340431776
Mercy is the best for defense and payload gametypes and teams that understand that staying together is actually beneficial. The 'one control point in the center of the map' gamemode is usually better for Lucio because they turn to absolute clusterfucks very quickly, and you can keep mobility up whereas a Mercy can get fucked in the chaos.
t. 20 hours as Mercy.
>>340432684
Yeah, she's actually kind of weak, but DAMN is it annoying to fight her, and dying to her feels like the most stupid thing in the game.
At least with McCree it's over within a second, but with Mei you have to stare at a fixed spot while the mouthbreather controlling her slowly lines up a headshot.
>>340437315
>this fag still acts like he knows better than every high level and pro player
I'm honestly not sure why I bother responding to your dumb ass.
Give Zarya either an extra 100HP, or make her sheilds heal
Mercy now has a constant heal of 2hp per second regardless of under fire or not
Roadhog now has matching health with zarya(400, or 500 if zarya is buffed). Abbo-tastic petrol huffing action now heals 100 HP
McCree's Flashbang cooldown is now tied to his gunfan.
Widowmaker's uncharged shot does fuckall damage, and her gun must be charged to kill.
Increase freeze time with mei by half a second.
>>340437468
>but DAMN is it annoying to fight her, and dying to her feels like the most stupid thing in the game.
That time spent frozen and watching her slowly getting that headshot ready is soul crushing.
>>340437309
The fact that the graphs dont even show the same stats for the same tournaments should be a red flag.
But please, call me "retard" some more if it makes you feel better.
>>340437538
zaryas shields already heal.
mccree idea funny but would probably make him completely useless.
the reload on the roll is the core of the problem I don't know why blizzard doesn't see this.
>>340436554
crosshair placement nigga
If you can discord a flanker and get 2 headshots off on them, they're dead. With that said you will probably just die if they can aim.
![tumblr_o7qulrc3Vh1sad99ro1_500[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/moJHP8p.png "tumblr o7qulrc3Vh1sad99ro1 500[1]")
>>340437280
>>340437295
I guess my problem is I've been playing a lot of Zenyatta and Mei and they have problems with it. Wraith form sheds Discord Orb and it makes him infreezable. But even when I'm using soldier I'll throw down my health pack while he's a Wraith and he still fucks me when he comes out of it. You just can't get the jump on him.
>>340437640
I will since you haven't once even acknowledged that the sourcing was right on the image and you yourself can literally visit the site and see how they came up with the numbers they have.
We just got stomped by team with 5 dvas and one lucio
on hanamura defense
literally unwinnable
all they had to do was chain NERF THIS on the point
>>340437031
Mei is easy mode as Pharah because hard counter, she's a bitch with Mercybecause I always whittle her down to 40 health before freezing up.
>>340427810
They should remove slowing down while shooting too, it's kind of unfair, considering her guns do little damage anyway. Other classes don't slow down while shooting.
>mfw no one realises how insane zarya is
Don't mind me, just nullifying ults with my E and my Shift, while being a tank that can do damage at range, and half my health is shield so it regenerates.
>>340437091
I play Reaper on KotH and get about 30 eliminations a match and the number one thing that fucks me is people who actually bother to chase me down because if I'm Wraithing, I'm usually on real low health and at that point anyone can fuck me.
When people don't, it's basically a free team kill Death Blossom.
>>340437923
I can see how status effect characters would be fucked, but when it comes to more damage based heroes like Soldier 76, it all comes down to skill.
Wraith form gives Reaper time to adjust himself to the situation and plan, but the same goes for you. I would say, learn to time his ability, then start shooting a second before he comes out to keep him on the run.
>>340437508
>Muh pro players know better than you I'm gonna ignore everything you said about setups and metas
First off, that's an appeal to authority, which is a logical fallacy. Secondly, if you read what I wrote I explained why pro players pick and stack the things they do. They'd probably tell you the same thing themselves, it's not rocket science, this is competitive vidya 101 and it's been going on since any sort of pvp was first conceptualized.
But you keep on ignoring facts and posting charts, buddy.
>>340438107
yea I do this to.
most other people don't seem to know how to play her. It's always funny to see a reinhardt charge me and I instantly shield and kill him. All he did was feed my charge.
>>340438194
I'd rather look at fucking pick rates from people I know are good then listen to your ignorant baseless drivel.
What I posted is the definition of fact, go read the fucking site that it's from and see for yourself.
>>340438107
How does she work?
The reason I've never picked her is because I know there's some trick to her bubbles but I can't figure it out.
>>340438107
>going up against 2 zaryas that are working together
one of the most broken things ive seen, they just take turns being in front and constantly have shields
>>340438298
I think the secret meta to this game is 3 soldier 76 and 3 zarya.
>>340438048
Not sure how you figure it's a hard counter. It's easier for Mei to shoot Pharah in the air then it is for Pharah to kill her with rocket spam.
>>340438107
Zarya may be the most OP character in the game, but it's balanced out by no one ever wanting to play as her.
>>340433268
>airshot the bitch mid air since the hitbox are titanic huge
>faggot cry in the chat and say that junkrat need a nerf
>>340438107
She seriously wins me games. I couldn't understand how to play her before so I never did use her. But one day a Zarya just obliterated our team so I learned her. She's great.
>>340430553
t. mei player who is too retarded to play anything else
>>340438287
So what you're saying is that you didn't read what i said at all, because it unravels your core argument, and earlier in this thread you didn't watch that anon's video for the same reason right? You just wanna appeal to this "pro player picks" thing forever because it confirms your biases, all other information, logic, or conjecture doesn't matter, huh?
There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Filter this shitposter indefinitely, and if he takes off his name and continues with this dumb arguement, know who it is and ignore him.
>>340438509
>there is actually someone who is this bad with pharah
>>340438224
>tfw you walk up to a Reinhart's shift as he swings so you get a free 50 charge
>tfw you see reinhart's projectile coming, and have plenty of time to shift, so you get 50 charge
>>340438295
Her bubbles last about 2 or 3 seconds, but they absorb damage, and convert that damage to charge (you see the number by my crosshairs get bigger when I shield the hit?) that charge basically means I do more damage. At full charge, Zarya is a tank who does insane DPS, what more could you want?
>>340438298
Never seen that happen and I have 36 hour game time
>>340438538
I have 16 hours with Zarya, she's great for everything, don;t know why I don't see her more
>>340438560
my nigga
>>340438509
Mei's hardly look up, and even fewer take potshots with the icicle in my experience. But then
>Low mmr meme
>>340436563
His orbs are actually 45 damage. He has insane DPS. Kinda a hybrid between attack and true healer. I think zen works really well with someone like Lucio
>>340438682
Your argument that by nerfing a clearly overturned hero that sits at over 100 percent pick rate like McCree will result in someone else taking his place is baseless fucking non sense, it could just as easily mean that instead more offensive choices become viable and teams will pick different ones more often based on player and team preference.
Now do yourself and everyone else a favor and stop posting you useless fucking waste. I suppose you don't even know what objectivity and facts mean.
More Zarya webms?
>>340438687
Has nothing to do with being "bad". Mei can literally kill Pharah in 1-2 hits and in the air Pharah is slow and prone.
>>340438432
More like 2 Soldier
2 Zarya
1 Lucio
and one Wildcard to handle very specific assholes (such as a Widow to countersnipe their Widow if really good, a Junkrat to counter 6 Tobjorn, etc)
Between all that, they have all the protections and healing they need.
>>340438691
Wow. She's my second most played character and I didn't even know about the charge thing. I feel like an idiot. She is good as fuck, though. Her beam and cannon wreck.
>>340431485
hanzo is easy kills for life.
>>340432997
Set his heal rate to 10/s and 25/s with e, and in turn set his speed boost to like 50% and its e to like 200% or something.
>>340433092
>press E
>headshot
RNG
>>340423031
Literally every time you mention a game it's advertising in some way. Publicity is publicity. Doesn't change the fact that this is video game discussion, no matter how shitty.
How about you just filter the overwatch threads instead?
>>340430553
>if you die to mei you are a fucking shitter\
i die to her because i keep looking at her booty
>>340438295
Aside from giving her charge you can use them to avoid a lot of ults. They have 200 HP each, so something like Death Blossom or Tactical Visor will shred through them, but an ult that does massive damage in one hit will be nullified such as Deadeye or D.Va's Self Destruct.
>>340437438
agreed
i get dunked on in king of the hill, more often than escort missions. Even with using many tricks to hide around and in "safer" areas I still get slapped my shit in
>>340433078
ever see a team with 2 lucio? its fucking pain
>>340439929
>holding c to emote
>not just binding it to a key
>>340433592
>a junkrat standing still
never will happen
they jump around like they are doped up on cocaine
I want to squeeze Genji's ass!
>>340440368
This, trashmice tend to be the hardest to hit up there with Lucios because they lose their shit and hop around like motherfuckers.
Other Pharas when they don't have boost are almost universally the easiest, for whatever reason.
>>340438892
>That free 100 charge
Junkrat's ult is so good for Zarya.
>>340429064
>If your 4man stack can't carry 2 pubs In a 6 man team oriented objective shooter your stack is bad.
Holy shit thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
This is a game where the best 4man stack in the world could get shut out by any single cordinated 6 man push full of baddies.
>>340437923
if he gets around a corner or to a health pack sure, he will gain an advantage against you.
I use it a lot to get into position for death blossom or destroy a fucking torb turrent when no one else is destroying it
>>340437936
dva gets stomped by 4 reapers 1 widowmaker and 1 lucio
could go 5 reapers too, maybe 6 if u want to pubstomp. Dva has too big a head hitbox and given the option a dva will charge at a reaper, taking a shotgun at point blank. If the dva uses her ult a reaper can just shadow form and fly away
>>340438892
The adverse to this is that its easy to chump a Zarya by faking with a jump to proc her shield and just rolling the wheel around for literally 2 seconds.
Less if you just wanna kill the friendly she shielded.
>>340441193
To be fair, they should be shooting at it the entire time too. That'd punch that idea in the dick with how fragile it is.
>>340424114
>can't shit on snipers and pharah as Junkrat
Why are you even playing?
>>340438194
>Appeal to authority
I don't think you understand the concept of authority here, how is the opinion of pros a fallacy? they are experts with far more experience than any of us.
>>340441952
Smart Junkrats can handle snipers alright, but decent Pharahs will annihilate the guy.
>>340438691
>don;t know why I don't see her more
Because she needs a TEAM.
She's also best played as an offtank.
>>340442287
If you're a scrub, sure.
>>340442901
How do you even hit pharah when shes flying in the sky? The bombs physically don't go that high
>>340442901
Nigga, you're retarded.
Only chance you've got is your mine sending you aerial and trying to chuck bombs at her or taking cover. Especially if she's very high.
There's a thing called matchups.
>>340420439
Widow is useless
Lucio is a demigod who will never get a nerf. If he gets a single nerf he's useless.
>>340443225
A bad Widow is useless.
A good Widow is a total game changer.
>>340442006
>they are experts with far more experience than any of us
That's the definition of an appeal to authority. The idea that their station means there's nothing they could have possibly missed and that they've taken literally everything into account. It's like saying Bill Nye is an accomplished scientist more environmentally aware than any of us so his assertion that global warming is linked to terrorism is a valid one even though a layman can look at that claim objectively and find problems.
Do the pros know what they're doing? Most likely, but I addressed why they stack their teams the way they do and Fuck Face over there completely ignored the metric and continues to believe that any one hero is overpowered on their own, which is completely false.
How the fuck do I deal with Genji?
The fucker can just hold reflect in front of me and his melee dash comes out instantly once it's over
>>340430284
DELETE THIS NOW
>>340443295
As a Lucio/support main I can confirm Lucio is ridiculous.
However, I desperately want either Lucio to be nerfed, or Mercy buffed, so I'm forced to switch to Mercy if I want to win.
What people think OP means:
>NO ONE STANDS A CHANCE, MIGHT AS WELL HAVE A TEAM OF ALL THIS GUY, CAN'T WIN WITHOUT HIM.
What it actually means:
>They do their job a little better than the others. The situations where they're the best choice outweigh the situations where others work better a little too much
I fucking hate Bastion's ult.
Mei needs to be buffed to do more long range damage with her ice blast. I think she is not as competitive as other characters in the game, compared to Bastion Mei is just a drop in the bucket.
They also need to buff her Ult to do more long range damage and have instant DPS which takes down all the characters who get hit by it.
They also need to nerf Mercy, because compared to Lucio she heals waaaaaay to quickly and need to be on the same level as Zenyatta.
I also think that McCree was perfectly fine.
>>340443867
>Mercy
>Compared to Lucio
>Heals waaaaaaay to quickly
Maybe that's the point anon, she doesn't have Lucio's mobility or AOE.
>Same level of Zenyatta
Yes please lets make Lucio the only support worth anything.
>>340443867
Nerf Mercy? The only thing she needs nerfed is her ult's charging rate.
She needs to heal faster than Lucio. She doesn't have an AoE like he does.
>>340443602
There's no possible way to give him a nerf without making him garbage. They tried nerfing everything about him, even gave his E a lengthy cooldown and he's still godlike. The only possible way to balance him is redoing the entire character.
>>340438892
literal invulnerability: the character
fuck zarya. not fun to play, not fun to play against.
>>340443867
Are you retarded?
>>340443867
>They also need to buff her Ult to do more long range damage and have instant DPS which takes down all the characters who get hit by it.
Nigga, that's what your team is for.
>This Alt should do EVERYTHING!!
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>>340444135
>replying to such terrible bait
>>340437438
I don't think I've seen mercy artwork once portraying her face satisfactorily.
>>340441193
>Implying that the average junkrat main have a shred of intelligence
widowmaker is so op
>>340444971
I always liked this one.
>>340430042
> Mei the one woman shut it down machine
> worst
Only ones who need a buff right now are D.Va because Winston does her job better and she has an awful critical hit area size,
and Symmetra so that her shields are proportional/not a set value (as +50HP Tracer's are too much) and that some of the weaker attacks don't destroy the turrets immediately (mainly looking at Mei's ice clipping it around corners to be honest)
>>340429661
The sad problem is that I think he's not meant to be the Anti-Tank (I dare say that's Reaper as he can teleport behind them and unsheath shotguns).
The stun makes me think he's supposed to be the Tracer/Genji/anything fast or flying character
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