WHO IS THE MOST OP?
Zenyatta
how the fuck do you play as D Va
her main gun is shiiiiiiit
in order
Widowmaker
McCree
-----power gap----
Everyone else
Lucien
>>340420263
Abuse shift. Run into people for bonus damage, melee, then shotgun them down to finish.
Don't treat her like a tank. Shes a flanker/harassaser/assasin.
Zip around, kill mercy, shift the fuck out asap and get a health kit.
>>340420007
Widowmaker is too strong
Mcree needs damage reduction on fan
Reinhardt
>>340420263
kinda similar like winston, fly to weaker enemies, shoot them and fly away.
>>340420612
>"Tank" champion
> best way to play her is not like a tank
I can tell this game has impeccable design
>>340420982
she is something of a tank. She can bumrush turrets and kill them quite quickly while being a distraction, use defense matrix to absorb ults (including reaper and pharah), and throw her mech into a chokepoint to clear it out.
it's just, you can't play her like Reinhardt. She has to keep flitting about the back lines when not doing the above.
You mother.
I literally scrolled past 4 overwatch threads.
>>340420982
She has a lot of health and a defensive ability. Not as a pure a tank as reinhardt, but still holds to the niche. Variety within the broad classes is good.
>>340420007
Widowmaker and Mcree are pretty op.
>mfw i just got the Whoa There trophy
>>340420982
No one cares you moba nerd. This is a game largely about shooting people in the face.
>>340421381
>>340421258
Primarily her role is to give free ult meter to the opposing team until she gets buffed.
>>340420439
Literally this
Then I'd have to say Reinhardt or Mercy's ult (Literally the only reason to use her because it goes up so damn fast)
Winston
A good Lucio by far
People think McCree is good because they are shitters, he can only flashbang/do a ton of dmg with fan hammer if he flanks you (in which you deserve to be punished) or you get too close to him (in which you deserve to be punished)
>>340421851
that's roadhog
>>340420439
McCree only needs a nerf to fan and/or to his roll reload and then he'd be alright. You can hit Widowmaker with 10 different nerfs and she'd still be overpowered.
>>340422061
xd yeah! a character with a guaranteed free kill sure is balanced because u desrverd it!!
You fucking idiots try to act superior but don't realize how fucking poorly balanced the game is because A) you're a blind fanboy or B) Play the broken character
You probably also think widowmaker is completely okay how she is right now too, faggot
>>340420007
You are
Widowmaker
Having a hitscan OHKO weapon is ridiculous compared to the other characters, her ability is broken as fuck giving wallhack to the entire team while recharging quickly and not giving a notification to the other team, and anything that is supposed to counter her like tracer, assuming they even get close without getting seen and shot, just get hit with the poison mine while widowmaker grapples away.
Her only real counter is another widowmaker, and she's such a huge benefit to the team that having at least one is pretty much a necessity.
>two widowmakers
>reinhardt
>mercy
>pharah
>whatever
Literally all you need for offense on any payload map. It's completely broken.
>>340420263
>Kill other tanks like zyra and winston up close
>Roadhog does shit damage to you because the way armor works
>avoid carries up close
>Die, but not really
>Just run backwards firing your gun with oversized projectiles at enemy
>5 seconds later another mech
The only BS is how big her headshot hitbox is, but she is really the anti tank tank. Also her E is hilarious against some ults like pharas, does jack shit
>>340420007
No one is OP
If you think they are then you are probably shit
But fuck McCree, he's a cunt
>>340422061
I don't care if I die to a McCree that does flashbang > FTH to a low health character.
I care if I'm a goddamn tank and I die immediately to Flashbang > FTH > Roll > FTH without him having to do any headshots at all.
His FTH is getting nerfed anyway. Good.
>>340422782
Widowmaker is beyond broken, if you don't realize that you probably "main" her and your opinion is shit and invalidated.
>>340420439
Make widowmaker have 150 health, then anti snipers will have a decent chance against well protected ones.
I don't play mcree but really his only annoying thing was flash bang, they should have just made it a flash with no stun and made it last slightly longer.
>>340420007
/v/ IS NOT FOR ADVERTISING
SHILL SOMEONE ELSE
FUCK OFF WITH YOUR SHITTY SHILL THREAD
>>340422907
I hardly play her beyond shitting on other Widows and Bastions. Her charge needs a small nerf on the sniper and ult then she's fine.
>>340423070
She needs to not be able to fire as quickly + longer charge time.
I used to think it was Bastion, then I played for more than an hour. I used to think it was Genji, then I played for more than five hours. I used to think it was Mei, then I came to my senses. It's not McRee, just don't challenge him 1v1 and he's easy.
Widow has passable health, deals a shit ton of damage from anywhere, can get to most locations with her ult, has literal wallhacks, also has a machine gun. Widow is OP, anyone who says anything else has no idea what they are talking about.
>>340422997
I remember reading the only reason Widow doesn't have 150 hp is because in a hypothetical sniper battle, it would be bullshit if one widow got a headshot, the other got a bodyshot but they still killed eachother.
>>340423160
Her RoF is fine since it does fuck all damage at anything not 100% but the charge is way too fast.
>>340422641
This desu
As genji it pisses me off to no end to almost kill Widow, have Mercy super fly over and heal widow.
I have actually gone up against that but with a turret protecting both Widows
>>340422907
The only reason you whiny shitters think any character is OP is because you're bad at the game. Once Mcree/WM gets the nerfbat, you will move on to bitch about another character, and when that one gets nerfed as well, to another and the cycle will repeat.
The game is designed around team-play and counterpicking classes, not going at it alone like you do in CoD/Battlefield, but even when you have the advantage of a Winston's shield, double health and armor + 6 sec cd leap, you still can't beat the scissors with your rock, because you're bad.
>>340423434
her body shots shouldnt deal 150 damage, that one shots 2 (3) characters, and drops most of the cast to 25%
>>340423434
They could literally just solve that with 151 health but I guess that would look sloppy.
>>340422881
>Flashbang doesn't work on shield, so you let a McCree flank you or you put down the shield like a tard
>Not hooking McCree before he can even get close to you
git gud
What's his counter?
>>340423636
Games where one class gets picked every match on both teams, sometimes even two, means there is an obvious balancing issue and if you can't realize that I'm sorry but you're a fucking idiot and know literally nothing about what you speak of. Using >bad as your excuse further validates just how fucking retarded you are.
>>340423860
flashbang goes over a shield and stuns Rhine
>>340420007
Widow > McCree > Everyone else
>>340423951
Pharah
Snipers
>>340423636
If you honest to god don't think McCree is way too strong you're retarded.
He kills tanks way too fast and his stun is ridiculous, instant, and hilariously easy to land.
>>340423951
Any one
But if you want it even easier 76 cause his heal
>>340423951
Pharah and widowmaker, that's about it. But if he's above pharah he wins. Junkrat is so easy to play and so fun it's not right.
>>340423951
Pharah.
>>340423636
Is that your whole argument? "you are bad at the game"? Then what about competitive matches with 2 or 3 McCrees per team, are they bad as well?
How 2 Make Overwatch Great (Again)
>McCree's flashbang is now an actual fucking flashbang,no stun, just blinds whoever is hit for 1.5 seconds
>Widow has a slower charge time on her sniper and Ultimate.
>D'Va can now walk normally while shooting
>Zenyatta buffed to 200HP
>Tracer's blinks now take an extra second to recharge
>>340424130
His stun is not ridiculous.
Genji can put his reflect up about 2 shots into his FTH, which not only saves the genji but kills the Mccree because they're holding still when they FTH so that every shot hits.
His stun isn't that good.
>>340422238
>tfw Roadhog
>tfw you go full hog and blast people into outer space
>tfw you grab tracer, mercy, pharah, reaper, zenyatta, genji, hanzo, Torb, everything else during their big moment
>tfw you grab monkey man and one shot him from full health
Didn't know it was possible until yesterday. Every single pellet must of been a headshot or something.
>>340424523
>His stun isn't good because one hero can counter it slightly!
Fuck off retard
>>340424523
>Using Genji as an argument against flashbang
Jesus fuck nigger, flashbang doesn't require a direct hit, he can get stunned if you throw it to the ground/side/above. Even if you reflect it, Genji's reflect last a second longer than McCree's stun, so you are unable to attack before McCree gets out of his own stun. His stun is godlike.
>>340424694
Roadhog is honestly too good, he's not super broken but he's too damn strong for a tank. 600 health and he can wombo combo just about every other character every 6 seconds or so? Shit's bonkers.
I fucking love pulling tracers and blasting their boyfaces away as well as pulling widowmakers and hanzos off of ledges and pharahs in the air and just one shotting them.
>>340425257
If they nerf roadhog at all i will quit this game. He is literally perfect.
>>340424490
>actual flashbang
>missing the "bang" part that concusses
You're not very bright.
>>340424957
>>340424845
Never said Genji reflected the flashbang, or that genji is the only character to beat his FTH...
I'm saying Genji can act after the stun before he is killed by the FTH, meaning that EVERY hero can act unless they have less HP than Genji, which is Tracer and Mechless Dva...
His stun isn't that good.
>>340420612
Why would I pick Dva to do this when I could just pick multiple other heroes that do the job far better?
mercys ult needs to charge slower. right now it's a contest to see which one can spam the most rezzes. the contributions from the rest of the team barely matters.
>>340425587
she needs it to not be worse then lucio in every way.
>>340425403
>I'm saying Genji can act after the stun before he is killed by the FTH
You DO realize FTH can deal 420 damage, right?
>>340423636
Okay, how do you counterpick a widowmaker that has a pocket mercy? How do you counterpick dual McCree?
>>340425671
Pretty much.
Nerfing Mercy would be full retard.
>>340425390
Ah yes show me the part where the bang is actually visible on screen
>>340425403
Thank Christ the devs don't listen to retards like you
>>340425671
she should get a buff elsewhere to make up for it, but using an ult and having it charged to 100% again in 1 minute is ridiculous
>>340425257
he also has a huge head hitbox and is a sitting duck for a smart Pharah, and his arch Nemesis, a decent Reaper. A really good Hanzo or Widowmaker will also kill Roadhog fairly quickly.
So far I havent seen too many of those that have been a problem.
How to make Mercy better
>change her beam so it can heal other heroes around the one she's targeting at a reduced rate
>make her ult take at least 2x longer to fill up
Then she would have an actual purpose and her increased healing wouldn't make her ult more broken
>>340423636
Ahh the oh so wholesome git gud argument
>>340425403
>Heroes with 200 or even 250 health can react after being stunned into FTH
No, they cannot, unless someone like reaper or Mei get lucky with FTH rng.
>>340425706
Read the last sentence in my post and tell me how relevant the max damage that FTH can do....
Genji can act BEFORE the FTH is complete, meaning the flashbang doesn't stun for the entirety of the FTH, meaning....
His stun isn't that good.
>>340425571
She is still a better choice if you want to neutralize an ult, over the other tanks. It's just personal taste.
>>340425995
this
>>340420116
Zenyatta is low-key OP, I bet he gets buffed into crazy town in the future
>>340423816
Just give her 145 health and 5 armor or something
>>340425717
dual mccree is weak to a flying Pharah or Widowmaker/Hanzo
widowmaker with pocket mercy is extremely weak to a reaper that pops up behind them or goes around them. have to pay attention to when Widowmaker has her ult up though.
Lucio and mcree are the only acceptable answers. but other things do need a tune down like widow makers charge time and how fast mercy gets her ultimate
>>340420982
Winston is a flanker too.
>>340421750
(You)
>>340422214
lowering her fire rate by adding a reload animation like sniper in tf2 would be a fair nerf
>>340425995
To be fair to lucio, it would make more sense that the damage buff be aoe (not same bonus) instead of the heal. The heal shouldn't be changed.
>>340425257
a few counter points
Hes slow
lackluster at actually "tanking" and provides minimal support to team HP pool isn't that great when no one can miss you and you have no
Outside of hook one shots your ability to stay in sustained fighting is pretty poor
>>340422420
>Her only real counter is another widowmaker
Winston absolutely destroys her. If you are or have a competent Winston on your team there is fuck all their Widowmaker can do to stop the monkey dick.
>>340426235
But you (or the guy I responded to) just said she isn't a tank.
>>340426378
>McCree is weak to character who are countered by hitscan
>Widowmaker/Mercy is weak to a character with limited flanking ability and limited chasing ability who has to kill her and her pocket healer solo while she is damage boosted and has to hope she doesn't have her anti-flanking ult up while also getting past her team
Lmao, no. Stop.
>>340426631
fucking formating, sorry
Hes slow, poor at tanking, really large so hp pool isnt as good as it appears, and he sucks at sustained fights.
>>340426631
his tanking aspect is probably the gas can heal. It can stack with other healing effects and has a extremely short cooldown. He can survive a hanzo ult depending on where he was standing if he uses the gas can.
>>340426701
Winston gets bodied if the Widow has a Mercy amping/healing her, which is the meta of competitive right now, with the only real counter being using it yourself.
>>340420612
Reinhardt really is the only tank isn't he?
McCree is pretty bad. He can pretty much only do damage in melee range and he has no movement to get there.
>>340426378
>mcree is weak to parah and hanzo
nope
>mcree is weak to widowmaker
debatable at long distance, mccree wins up close
>>340420982
>champion
>talks about design
Gtfo you lol shitter
>>340426631
600 health is a lot of health, his ult pushes everything away, his weapon does a ridiculous amount of damage, his chain one-hit combos almost everything, and his heal is ridiculous and you can stand there and use it while multiple people are attacking and still get away when your teammates come. He's a really really strong character but like you pointed out he can be taken out fairly easily if you're competent.
>>340426741
>what is teleport
must be a lot of bad pocket mercy/widowmaker then
it isn't that hard to kill them because the mercy is sitting there like they are afk and the mercy is paying attention to the scope.
>>340426985
i would argue yes Zarya is closer to him then the others, but neither Roadhog nor DVA want to play like Rein
>>340427061
fire a scatter arrow at his feet, fairly good chance of mccree dying instantly
>>340422061
>Mcree is f-fine guys you just suck hahaha.
Can't wait for him to get nerfed so you'll know how much of a shitter you are.
>>340427121
>It's fine if the mercy is bad
This doesn't make it a counter, any normal mercy would be looking around for a flank while they amp, heal.
Teleport isn't going to help you chase a widow/mercy if she even feels the need to zip away from you, which she won't, because she'll just kill you because she's being amped/healed.
>>340426631
roadhog's niche is the laundry list of ultimates that he's able to survive which is most of them but you're spot on about everything else
>>340420007
This game makes me so fucking salty and is literally making me worse at playing video games.
>Escort the payload
>there's always a fucking widdowmaker AND Hanzo
>They rockin a respectable 0.03 KD
>People run off point to chase kills
>run into ambushes
>die
>Entire team respawns and runs head first solo into defending team
>no one ever groups up
>Bastions and Toblerones everywhere
WhoTheFuckAreThesePeople.webem
when games start going like this I just fucking switch to Junkrat and run in circles. It's a fucking nightmare
PUGs in this game are a fucking joke.
If you have a group to play with and coordinate, it's a fucking faceroll joke.
>>340427265
fairly good chance before he fires the arrow hes already flashed
>>340424694
tfw no pudge skin for roadhog
nobody is really OP, but tracer is the best
>>340427061
>Pharah doesn't counter McCree
Have you ever played this matchup?
>>340427409
It's amazing how having just 2 randoms on your team can spell loss for you because of how fucking incompetent they are. It never ceases to amaze me.
>group of 4
>2 randoms
>always shit
>always, always, always fucking shit
>always pick widowmaker or hanzo, sometimes both
>always sit back and don't do shit
>can't ever outsnipe the enemy sniper
>never go healer, support, or switch roles
>will then bitch when you ask them to switch or contribute to the fucking team
I can't believe how fucking cancerous and awful the community on the PC is.
>>340420982
She's the "Jack of all trades Tank, but master of none" That's why she's in that weird spot.
But the only buff she needs is to remove the critbox on her Mech form so she'll actually be the tankiest tank. Having a critbox the size of Tobjorns entire body makes her melt pretty quickly.
>>340424490
How's the heal rate on Zenyatta's harmony orb? I'd be tempted to say that making him better at supporting is more important than health, since he's best played at mid-long range anyways.
>>340422238
>so bad at the game he actually calls mccree broken
anon, i....
>>340427708
mccree counters pharah you retard
>>340426197
Genji would be dead before the FTH is complete anyways, unless you're basing your theory on a scenario where the McRee is missing half his shots on a stunned target?
>>340427708
Have you? The counter to pharah specifically is hitscan, she gets fucking destroyed by soldier, McCree and Widow. That is why she isn't played in comp, because Widow and McCree are the two best heroes in the game right now and the meta revolves completely around shutting them down.
McCree and widowmaker as every one has said already
I hope they nerf McCrees fan and not his ranged ability, headshoting as him is really satisfying
>>340427708
>pharah, a character weak to hitscan weapons
>mcree a character with a hitscan 6 bullet weapon that can do 35-70 damage per shot, even more with head shots
have you?
>>340427827
>"pros" pick 3 McCrees per team
>thinks it's not broken
You're a fucking retard and should literally be revoked from posting online.
>>340427795
you mad?
>>340420007
>enemy team defending
>They have 2 torbjorns and 2 symmetras a mercy and a bastion
They limit duplicate characters to one pair per team.
>>340427907
takes a fair amount of aim to headshot a moving pharah in the air as mccree. Not saying it can't be done mind you.
>>340427931
You underaged?Trick question I know you are
tbf on console mccree and widow aren't great and pharah dominates cause no one can aim up
>>340420007
Mei is quite literally the only OP character in the game. She can literally do ANYTHING: become invicible, block off an entire path, kill the entire team with her ultimate easily, health 1/3 of her health, win almost any 1v1
All they need to do is take away her healing ability and I'm good.
>>340428049
I don't have a problem switching but I do have a problem for my team diving headfirst into torb turrents instead of letting me take them out first with Widowmaker.
>>340427981
>cant handle a couple turrets
you're on those same shitter teams that lose when my team picks 6 toblerones, arent you?
>>340427931
>bum affording all that booze
she's doing pretty good
>>340427795
And there's literally no inscentive to get better.
Fucking none.
You get EXP either way. So why should anyone fucking bother to do anything but be a shitter and just grind out levels by losing constantly.
What Blizz SHOULD do is dock exp for attackers that were never on the objective.
Like, if it shows you had zero time on objective as an attacker, it should still show you your EXP screen, but then in big bold letters show "OBJECTIVE TIME ZERO" and show a red bar of youe exp decreasing, showing the difference in what your exp could have been.
If they're bad enough they could even get negative EXP.
Seriously, this one change could fix a fucking lot.
>>340428041
it's extremely easy to hit pharah in the air with a mouse
>>340422676
She also does really well against Tobjorn and Symmetra since turrets can't get headshots and if you have a healer on the other team, she can just aggro the turrets forever since most of her health is armor.
>>340427916
Kill them from far away
Pick Tracer
Pick any Reinhardt or Roadhog
Are you retarded? He's easily countered by half the cast
>>340421851
Lol
>>340428143
If someone is actually good as widowmaker then by all means play her, she's broken as hell and is an incredible help. But 99% of the time it's some weeaboo shitter that plays her because she's the epic sniper class and loses the game for us.
>>340427916
>overwatch
>pros
heh
furthermore
you aren't a pro and you aren't playing with pros
you won't get killed by mccree if you don't run into enclosed spaces like an idiot or get ambushed, get good
>>340427875
Mcree can deal 420 damage if all bullets hit
Genji can put his reflect up before the third shot unless they FTH'd instantly, in which case they likely missed the first shot. Either way Genji gets shot twice.
Genji takes 168 damage. Out of 200 health. He lives.
How the fuck is no one saying Hanzo isn't OP?
His arrow hitboxes are absolutely bullshit, most of the time it's not even near you but somehow still headshot 1HKs you. He also has wall hacks more frequently from Widow.
His Ult is the most broken in the game. He can clear out points with less skill than Rip Tire, death blossum, JUSTICE and it doesn't leave him vulnerable at all like pretty much every other ult designed around killing a lot of people.
I think just because WM is blatantly OP, people tend to ignore that the other sniper is OP because its not as obvious. but he still needs a nerf
>>340427795
>I shouldn't change classes, they should!
>me and my premades should dictate what our pickups are able to play!
>>340428306
>ITS OKAY IF HES BROKEN BECAUSE YOURE NOT A PROFESSIONAL PLAYER
McCucking fuck yourself faggot.
>>340428375
>other pickups choose roles that are literally no help
>IM HELPING
You're not
>>340428336
>How the fuck is no one saying Hanzo isn't OP?
Because Widowmaker outclasses in almost every possible aspect and his ult has a huge callout. Damn it nigger play the game a little bit more before crying.
>>340428126
SKILL
>>340428150
what is the counter to 6 torb and still being able to push the objective when they are all yelling
MOL
TEN
CORE
>>340428209
You get significantly more XP for winning.
It doesn't matter anyways because of forced 50% winrate, you're going to get equalized one way or another unless you play in a 6-stack that are so good that you at least have a fighting chance to beat anybody who plays the game.
>>340428375
Where did I ever say that or imply that? I switch classes anytime I need to; usually because the randoms on my team are fucking awful.
Are you trying to imply that randoms shouldn't change classes to benefit the game and actually win because a premade asked them nicely to? You're a literal shitter.
>>340428547
Still widowmaker or go Gengi if you think they'll Molten Core
>>340428336
Lol
the same reason that Mei isn't considered op, because he's not that good, you're just a whiny little bitch
>>340428248
>thinking reinhardt or tracers counters mecree
is this bait? one of the only characters to give mcree any trouble is roadhog because he can instakill him with the hook combo. but even then if mcree gets the flash first it still probably goes in his favor
>>340428306
McCree main here. Nah. He's still really strong even from a distance. Those crit headshots are always a party. McCree really is bullshit at present so you may as well take advantage of it. When the nerf hammer hits guys this strong, they usually wind up useless after the nerf.
>>340428248
How do they counter him?
>reinhardt - literally walk through his shield, stun and kill
>roadhog - stun and kill
>tracer - stun and kill
>>340428306
>being this retarded
>>340428426
get
good
i literally never get killed by mccree because i'm not braindead, you have no excuse
>>340428248
>Kill someone with hitscan from far away
>Pick a hero who is the exact kind of hero that McCree was designed to counter
>Pick a hero who does no damage and is huge who will get melted by one or two FTH
Lmao, clueless idiot.
>>340428656
No its not bait, youre just bad. Tracer can easily escape his flashbang before he can fire off all his bullets, same with Mei and Reinhardt. I have never lost against McCree as any of those three if I was at full or atleast most of my health
>>340423636
>this game is perfectly balanced and anyone who says otherwise is just bad unlike me of course
>>340428636
>significant
if you are in a group you get within 1k of winning if you at least make 2/3rds of the match and get a few gold medals.
Nothing to sneeze at I guess.
It's kind of crazy how everybody thought Bastion was OP, then a couple weeks of this game being out and he's barely used and people counter him so easily now.
>>340428547
Junkrat, hide a round a corner, bounce pills off the wall around the corner.
Sit on the ground as Pharah and peek about corners to shoot rockets
co-ordinate your team to focus 'em down
>>340428336
There is no point in playing Hanzo when Widowmaker exists. His ult has situational uses but even then Widow's ult is useful at any time in any map on any side.
>>340428849
>that one fucking end corner at the end of the city map
too hard to bounce grenades there
fuck
>>340427870
>>340427907
>Press Shift
>McCree instantly can't kill you because most McCree players are too retarded to press LMB or even have good aim
>Even on the ground you can press E to tell him to fuck off
You are a shit Pharah or you play against shit Pharahs if you die to McCree
>>340420612
I seem to have more success at sitting on mercys and widows with winston. His gun is auto-aim so floaty mercys are no problem, his jump is on a shorter cooldown so you can flee/follow easier, you can attack while shielded, he's not slowed while attacking and his ult is actually viable.
>>340421851
Just another reason as to why ults never should have been a thing
I'm tired of teams literally feeding the enemy team with free damage and especially the Mercy which they never kill so she get in ten resurrects each match. I try to kill her myself but I don't play widowmaker so I can't one shot her.
>>340428636
>forced 50% winrate
why do you faggots keep repeating this meme
>>340428796
B A D
A
D
>>340428643
I'm not the one crying on the Internet and blaming my losses on other people
If you and your shitter friends can't carry 2 pubs it says more about you than them :^)
So, why did people think that Pharah was an amputee? Was there any evidence to suggest that, or are they just so desperate that they arbitrarily apply their fetish to everything? I saw quite a few people posting about it.
>>340428804
>Tracer can easily escape his flashbang before he can fire off all his bullets
thank god it only takes 2 bullets to kill her while flashed
>Mei and Reinhardt
lmao talk to me when you get out of the shitter league
i wouldn't say he's op but i honestly think rein needs toning down a little
>>340428984
>It's fine because if the enemy is retarded it's a counter
Never post again.
>>340429095
Pharahs armor has jointed limbs. Similar to the kind action figures have.
>>340428106
She's actually fairly underpowered. She's among the 3 least played heroes, and is completely incapable of defeating anyone unless she can force a 1v1. If you have any sort of coordination or communication in your group, this will be almost impossible for her. Her ice wall is only useful in niche situations and small areas (and can block allies' shots as well). Her invincibility and heal come at the price of immobility and predictability. If you break out early, you lose a lot of healing.
Even if caught in a 1v1, many characters can escape easily. Reaper can shift, Tracer can blink or recall, Pharah can fly, Genji can dash, Soldier can sprint, Widowmaker can grapple, Junkrat can trap + rocket jump, D.va can fly, Reinhardt can charge or shield, Winston can jump, Zarya can shield, Roadhog has too much health, Mercy can guardian angel, Lucio can speed boost, etc. McCree can also just stun and kill.
Really, she needs a buff to ice spike damage and her mist. Either that, or more mobility, possibly in the form of spraying ice in front of herself and skating on it.
NERF THIS >:3
>mccree can only do damage if hes 10 feet away from you
>has no way to close the distance
>people think he's a good character
lmao if you die to mccree you're shit
>>340429042
Because it's true? It's the same shit as CS and Dota.
>>340426543
This. The kill cam being her get in a body shot and then rapid firing uncharged shots until one hits is getting on my nerves. Sniper rifles aren't supposed to have a high fire rate, that's why they have insane damage, accuracy and a scope so you can attack from safe distances. Widowmaker is babies' first sniper.
>>340429101
>no argument against them
Ok pal,doesnt change the fact that im right. Mei can tank enough shots to go into invincible mode and then put up a wall and Reinhardt can back up and shield since most McCrees are retarded and stand still
>>340428636
>You get significantly more XP for winning.
But that's my point, you win either way. Or at the very least, the game makes it appear as though you win either way.
Bad players need to actually be shown they are bad. Traditionally it was their KD or, they lost all of their stock (capture the flag and whatnot).
But with this pussified XP bullshit, people are literally staying as those kids who get a participation trophy, "Hey, you tried sport!" and are never seeing how little they actually contributed.
Then, with matchmaking how it is, they will always float around the skill threshold, which in turn brings down anyone trying to get through that threshold.
They need to be actually shown that they are no fucking contribution and penalized for it. At the very least it will make them stop playing if they refuse to get better.
As the game is right now, for shitters, it's all carrot and no stick.
>>340429064
Hey faggot, it's a team game. If you're going against competent players 2 people playing like literal babies can and will cost you the game. And if they refuse to switch to better roles or stop playing like retards yes it is there fault. You can't carry people in this game and if you think someone is bad because they can't you must have the mental capacity of a toddler.
JUST
>>340424694
How'd I get more guaranteed kills with the hook?
Some people just seem to use their evade ability or just seem to be able to move before I get my one shot kill.
Is there some method to it?
>>340429042
Because it's not a meme, dumbass.
Its been in nearly every multiplayer game since League of Legends and some devs who developed multiplayer games, such as HiRez and Smite have admitted.
When "the best players" in multiple team based multiplayer games are lower than a 59% W/L ratio unless they party up, it's a forced ratio. It's obnoxious as fuck and it's a real thing/
>>340429153
>Ignoring my entire post because you know I'm right
Fuck off retard
>>340429268
yeah mcree would be way worse if you had some sort of roll to close distance
>>340428482
>>340428951
again just because WM is more OP it doesn't mean Hanzo isn't OP as well
>>340428653
>le git gud meme
nice argument
getting sick of bullshit arrows being spammed that HS from across the map when the Hanzo is barely even aiming. His ult does have a callout, but so does Pharah, Mcree, Reaper, Junkrat and literally every other Ult that has huge point-clearing potential. It's just Hanzo's that doesn't leave him vulnerable AT ALL and is just a fire and forget, kill everyone on the point.
>>340429276
you're pretty dumb anon-kun
I like dumb boys
>>340429212
>blizztards will defend this
>>340428126
>>340428509
>you keep posting this webm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wGcNzFd3as
>>340429326
BUFF
>>340427040
He 2-shots people a mile away with headshots. Definitely not melee range only, that's just for his brain dead instagib combo.
>every character is OP
>heres how to fix them
>*insert horrible convoluted solution*
Every
God
Damn
Thread
>>340427827
He is broken you retard. That's why they're nerfing him.
Can someone tell me which is stronger even in close range max output?
Zarya's projectile or her beam?
>>340428804
You must be playing the worst McCrees ever if you kill them as Rein or Mei. Mei can't even take half a fan, and she has no escape from flash bang other than ice blocking right away and hoping the McCree is stupid enough to flashbang immediately.
Rein is a tank, which means McCree is his literal counter. Rein has three options. Keep the shield up, and the McCree throws the flashbang above the shield to stun you, then kills you with fan+roll+fan. If you swing, he stuns you and kills you with fan+roll+fan. If you charge, you miss and are now far from your own team, and are either dead or irrelevant.
>>340429291
Mccree out DPSs mei, your only argument is that she can run away, as for reinhardt your only argument is to put up a shield, it just shows how trash you are and the bad kids you play. mcree can flash over the shield fan the hammer roll through the shield and FTH again
>>340429153
>McCree instantly can't kill you because most McCree players are too retarded to press LMB or even have good aim
This is what you said, that McCree players are usually bad so they won't shoot you. Or do you want me to reply to all your inane shit too?
>Press Shift
Now McCree, as well as anybody else with a decent weapon to fuck you up can see you and start shooting you with the weapons that counter you, like McCree's revolver
>McCree instantly can't kill you because most McCree players are too retarded to press LMB or even have good aim
I-It's fine if they're retarded
>Even on the ground you can press E to tell him to fuck off
This doesn't do much other than change their positioning and possibly make it even harder for you to land your rockets while giving them more time to just hitscan you to death
Happy now? Am I still ignoring what you said? Lmao.
>>340429643
Beam due to sustained fire and contact if you can hold it on the target. Projectile is for lobbing and for catching people who wiggle too much.
>>340425995
Make it so that the beam passing through another player heals them. That way Mercy can heal other players, but it also takes more skill and attention to orient the beam.
Does widowmaker really need automatic fire?
You need to keep, or at least get back, some of your ulti charge when you change character. For a game built around counterpicking yet not showing you what the enemy is until the doors open, you can be at an instant disadvantage. If you do change character to counterpick one of them, any progress to your ulti is totally wasted. If you wait until its upo and find a good time to fire it, the enemy have all that time without that character being countered.
>>340429448
>What's the problem? It's just a wonky visual representation of the hurtbox to signify they've been hit. Shooting them in anywhere in the lower body hurtbox does the same amount of damage.
>>340429462
needles use the same hitbox as explosives because they're projectiles. And since they're slow and arc, as well as the hardest weapon to aim with it's a non-issue and doesn't affect game balance in the slightest.
>>340429462
>>340429639
Don't waste your time on these retards
they clearly know fuckall about video games, they're just here for the shitposting
>>340429850
it doesnt do her much good once you get that close anyway.
She only reks your shit if you go into her already wounded from a recent battle.
>>340429834
Considering she fully heals people in 2 sec that would be overkill. What's wrong with the current Mercy? Her entire playstyle is flying around making sure her team stays healed, and buffing damage when it counts
Widowmaker and Mcree need obvious nerfs
The game on PC needs better hitboxes, they are too lenient right now (see: Hanzo)
How about most UP? My top 5
5. D.Va
4. Symmetra
3. Pharah
2. Winston
1. Mei
>>340429448
As retarded as that hitbox is when the fuck are you going to be shooting at someones feet like that?
>>340429992
Her ult charges way too fast, while being one of the best ults in the game regardless of charge time.
>>340429992
her ult is ridiculous, that needs to be nerfed. The beam thing would just be a compensation.
>>340429879
It would be interesting to see only support and tank heroes getting a % of their ulti charge back. It might encourage DPS horny people to switch
>>340430016
>>340430079
>Make aim a requirement in overwatch
>lose entire playerbase
>>340429862
retard.
Widowmaker and Mccree are the only two true OP and broken heroes right now.
That said, they are so common and so OP it makes the game unfun
>>340430181
>>340430091
>>340430114
I agree with that, but the other guy was wanting a buff for some reason. Lucio is already overkill with his aoe heals
>>340430181
>>340429462
Pretty stale argument.
>>340420439
Ive never had trouble with everyone ther of theses charaters
>>340429487
Blizzard should not buff Bastion. Not because he's strong, but because if they do it will be impossible to win on attack with the shitters in freeplay if he has an even easier time of mowing them all down.
>>340430284
DELETE THIS
>>340430284
>TRUE SKILL-BASED OLD SCHOOL HARDCORE FPS
>>340423951
JUNKRAT ES BEST RAT
BOW BEFORE THE BEST DESIGNED AND MOST FUN CHARACTER.
>>340430042
You must be bad at the game.
No way in hell Pharah or Winston are anywhere near the bottom of the list.
Why is there people who think that Widow don't announce her ult?
She say "Personne n'échappe a mon regard", I don't know what that, but I think is " nobody can sacape from my sight ".
Widow and Mcree are slow and easy to avoid, I don't understand how people have so much trouble with them. They're only a problem if you're caught off guard.
>>340420007
Anyone who says Widowmaker or McCree is borderline retarded. If Widowmaker needs anything, it's probably a slower charge time or a slower rate of fire. If McCree needs a change, it also needs to be very minimal, regardless of what /v/ shitters will tell you. He's not some game-breaking anomaly that's impossible to counter, playng a good McCree that helps the team is actually a challenge.
The real issue is Hanzo. You can be a vegetable and still get kills left and right with his stupidly large, spammable hitboxes. And then you can get POTG on top of it by putting his ultimate wherever the fuck when everyone is distracted. Hanzo needs to be hit with the nerf bat hard.
>>340430284
DLETE THIS YOU FUCJ
>>340430284
>>340430181
Wow, these games are truely shit. Why does anyone play this garbage?
If it's too hard to make servers support proper FPS multiplayer games than just play good single player FPS games. How can anyone tolerate something like this?
>>340429448
That's totally a problem with Mei, and not hitboxes in general. Even if it was Mei specific, it takes 3 spikes to kill a McCree. That's some pretty shitty damage.
If you die on a consistent basis to Mei, Bastion, Hanzo, Symmetra, Zenyetta or Torbjorn, you're a fucking shitter. You're terrible, and you probably won't get better. The game won't ever be balanced for people as bad as you, so fuck off.
>>340430472
nice bait
>>340430472
>Snipers are easy to avoid, just don't walk into key areas you actually need to walk in to in order to win the game
Lmao.
>>340420982
> champion
Get /out/
>>340430042
>Pharah
>Mei
>Symmetra
>most Under Powered
>>340430472
>>340430494
You think this because you have low MMR. Play against an actual good Widowmaker before talking shit.
>>340430494
>HURR DURR
McCree isn't supposed to melt tanks
Widow's insane strength is only acceptable because she gets shut down by Winston
>>340430375
They should do something to it that makes it so literal retards can't get non-stop POTG killstreaks. Like adding recoil and reducing the clip size to the turret, and increase the speed-to-robot while slowing down the robot-to-turret so it's less hard counterable.
>>340430576
Yeah it's not like this game has tons of support and tank characters with shields and shit
Why don't you git gud instead of being a whiny bitch?
>>340430278
They really do kill the fun. I love the game, but lately I've been getting so sick of dying to a widowmaker covering one spot and shooting as soon as you pass it or a Mccree popping out of nowhere killing you with his two button guaranteed kill combo. Every other death in the game feels fair, but those two are just retarded and the game would be so much more enjoyable for everyone (except for McMaker players) if they cut them
Widow is not OP. You have to be an idiot if some window kill you
>>340430494
https://gfycat com/MiserlyTatteredHake
>>340430592
>Symmetra
>not UP
ITT: /v/ is shit at a casual shooter
literally git gud
>>340430445
It's maybe the lowest announcement in the game and you don't hear it if you're too far away or there's already a lot going on.
>>340423982
When people pick more than one character its not a design issue its a player issue and those teams never really work out to well
>>340429034
amen
>>340430704
>>340430494
Never realized just how bad /v/ is
>widow isn't OP
>hanzo is OP
lol
hanzo is one of the worst heroes in the whole game
if you get hit by his ult you must have legit brain damage
jesus christ
/v/ is so horrendously bad at video games
>>340430603
>>340430645
>>340430748
I'm not engaging you fuckbois.
I posted what I did knowing full well you people would come up with a million different excuses and hypothetical workarounds. The bottom line is that Hanzo is the only hero who presently needs any drastic change, period. That's all I'll say to you shiteaters.
>>340430994
Whatever you say, enjoy your MMR hell where Hanzo is "OP"
>>340420439
Play the ninja, empty your mind, deflect everything.
AlsoGit gud
A good widowmaker is annoying as fuck, because it means you're going to have to switch to somebody that can jump to her. This class was obviously made for casuals in mind are forgets that if you can aim at all you can kill literally any class with ease.
Pharah. this bitch is annoying as fuck if the person is half-way decent at the game. Mainly because you never realize she is above you or behind you until its too fucking late and you are already one rocket away from death. Her only counter is widowmaker because widowmaker counters EVERYBODY.
Roadhog, just annoying because if you don't dodge the hook you die. McCree plays the exact same way but, I find roadhog more annoying because his hook is like a goddam sniper rifle
Junkrat's riptire: Fuck this shit. How many times has this shitty thing made potg? Yes, you can always hear it then run the fuck back and attempt to shoot it, but when the thing jumps around and comes from out of nowhere it's hard to predict. It's blast range is pure insanity.
This is just like, you know, my opinion. Because of how I play, these 4 chuckle fucks always kill me the most.
>>340429661
Mei survives almost any McCree attack since she can put up her ice enclosure almost immediately.
>>340420982
"Champion"
Learn to aim moba faggot
>>340431193
Get stunned die
>>340430857
spotted the hanzo main
>>340431192
>a good widowmaker
>made for casuals
?
>>340430042
>Pharah
>Mei
>Giggling Whores
>>340427282
Its going to be nerfed because shitters like you cant manage him. Into the trash it goes, along with zenyatta.
