If Overwatch really wanted to replace TF2 then why aren't they supporting computers that are just able to run TF2?
Surely it if you wanted the audience, it would be better to support the medium they use.
>>340399604
You mean low-end PCs or things like Mac and Linux?
>>340399731
>>340399731
I think he means like toasters.
>>340400320
TF2 doesn't run as good as it used to on toasters though does it? I hear a lot of the newer stuff isn't well optimized
The render scale thing or whatever it's called allows anyone to run Overwatch at 60fps. It looks like shit, but you can still do it.
TF2 kinda runs bad these days, ya know?
poorly optimized.
And I'm a huge tf2 fan.
Overwatch does at least 30 fps on Skylake integrated graphics you know
>>340400990
At 720p. I can't get 30fps on 1080p. I'm >>340400658
Using an Intel HD530 on my i5-6500.
Dosent overwatch run on toasters? I mean I have a few friends who played TF2 with me and they still had the same PCs when overwatch came out and have been able to run it fine.
>>340401126
It'll run, just at ps Vita tier resolution/detail.
Overwatch runs fine on my 4yo laptop
>>340399604
The game is for the blizzard audience, first and foremost.
Why do you think the fov fiasco happened in the first place? With blizzdrones mindlessly taking blizzard's side?
>>340399731
Linux support is increasingly important, nobody wants to be stuck with Windows 10. Its not that far off that Windows 7 isn't going to get support for new hardware, and we're already halfway there with DX12 being Win10 only.
This is why I keep going back to TF2. Can run it just fine but not even 50% render scale can get me to a constant 30fps in Overwatch.
>>340399604
TF2 runs well on toasters because its 9 years old.
>>340400320
>>340399604
My PC is literal toaster tier, and it can run Overwatch just fine
>got bored at TF2 one day
>decided to mess around with the settings and scripts
>set the camera to attach to the actual head of the player models
>real first person view where you can see the torso, arms, etc.
>while neat, it's impractical
>dropped game for a while
>picked up game months later
>script settings is still saved because steam cloud
>annoying workaround
>dropped the game entirely
A blessing in disguise.
>>340402667
No, it's because source engine runs on anything in general. It still has DX8 for fucks sake.
>>340400495
>I hear a lot of the newer stuff isn't well optimized
I know that part of it is due to a lack of LOD models on many cosmetics.
Toasters can support Overwatch
You'd basically need a computer from 2004 not to be able to run Oveerwatch
>>340402885
support, sure. run at an acceptable framerate, hell no
>>340399604
Reminder Blizzard thinks this is the next big e-sport title
>>340399604
TF2 is 9 fucking years.
Why should a brand new game be optimized for nearly decade old hardware?
Fucking retarded.
>>340402974
Sad thing is they're probably right, the game was clearly built around the limitations of the traditional gamepad.
>>340402998
He thinks people upgrade their computers every year.
He doesn't know.
>>340402998
Also TF3 will run smooth af on toasters, cus they have GABEN
Having played Overwatch for the past couple weeks exclusively, I went back to TF2 last night to give it a go. Was I just overlooking the fact that it runs like absolute dog shit 90% of the time? Because god damn.
It's a console game.
>>340399604
>why do modern games have different system requirements than older games
>why does this 2016 game with comparatively low system requirements not support all computers that can play this 9 year old game that at the time already supported very low system requirements.
>>340403897
TF2 was also a console game on launch.
Because PCs that can't handle Overwatch aren't going to buy the game to begin with.
It's not that difficult.
>>340403897
So was tf2
>>340399604
Overwatch will never surpass TF2 because TF2 is free and thus has an infinite supply of Russian and Brazilian children to keep it alive
>>340404527
Overwatch already won, more =/= better
>>340404265
TF2 was released on consoles but was intended as a PC game.
Overwatch was released on Windows PCs but was intended as a console game.
It might seem like a minor difference but its extremely important.
>>340404667
Overwatch was released by a company that had almost exclusively developed for the PC prior, in a game engine designed originally exclusively for PC's.
Blizzard's entire rabid fanbase is on PC, the game was intended as PC game.
>>340402463
>linux increasingly relevant
kek
>>340404649
Tf2 has way more content + Fan content than overmeme can ever dream of having.
>>340399604
You forgot
>Overwatch
>6v6 matches
>TF2
>16v16
>>340404779
Blizzard's fanbase was pretty divided on 'PC' between Windows and MacOS with a not insignificant number of users running the games with compatibility tools on other platforms since their engines used cross-platform friendly APIs.
Overwatch is console shit and is only on Windows because Microsoft has been turning it into a platform for consoles and tablets.
Give up
Yeah. I myself think that Overwatch is good (Played the open beta), but I'm not going to put 40€ into a game that doesn't even run smoothly on the lowest possible graphics. I can run tf2 just fine.
>>340404831
The Windows PC as we know it has less than 4 years of life left. Do you really want Windows 10 to be the only option?
Fun fact: TF2 now runs like absolute shit on toasters because of all the shit they added with no regards for optimization. There's tons of people complaining in the forums
>>340405292
>Blizzard's fanbase was pretty divided
Not particularly much at all, actually.
>and is only on Windows because Microsoft has been turning it into a platform for consoles and tablets.
Which is why it's on battlenet and not the windows store, right?
>>340399604
You know OW is better optimized than TF2.
TF2 is held together by duct tape.
>>340405542
I have a pretty high end machine and I get frame rate issues all the time unless the server is nearly empty. I have to avoid 32 player servers altogether because the frame rate tanks.
>>340405517
I remember someone saying this in early 2000.
>>340405692
Why is it a good thing to limit choice and hand all control to a company that has proven time and again that it cannot be trusted?
A third party store is only possible on Windows because Microsoft allows it, and they'll all stop working when Microsoft decides that the time has come likely once its no longer possible to run Windows 7 on modern hardware.
>>340400495
I played on Windows XP just fine.
>>340406123
OS means nothing retard
>>340405973
That was about the switch from DOS to NT, and they weren't wrong that was a major shift that left a lot of people out in the cold until compatibility software like DOSbox became mature enough to serve as a replacement.
In that case though it was possible to avoid the new version because games would still work on the old versions thanks to common APIs, hardware was still supported, and there was no such thing as a forced upgrade. This time around on the other hand Microsoft is forcing upgrades, the 'Universal' APIs only work on a single version of a single OS and they're determined to end all support for new hardware on Windows 7 well before the EOL date.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX__swbUwag
THIS is why overwatch will never beat TF2
>tfw you finally become good enough at something to pubstomp
With my machine built back in 2011 I can run the game just fine, I don't see the big deal.
>Intel i5
>HD Radeon 5770 1GB
Ain't that cute, he thinks tf2 can run well on a shitty pc.
The ever increasing shit they add to the game with zero optimization gradually increasing the required specs to run it have always been a point of complaint.
>>340405517
>The Windows PC as we know it has less than 4 years of life left.
>>340406685
>stomp enemy team hard
>somehow still manage to lose
I feel like this happens with reaper too much. I disrupt the living fuck out of their backline, bully snipers and distract enemies off the point and we still lose hard
>>340406104
Nigger the point is that it's blatant that microsoft's tablet fuckery has literally nothing to do with Blizzard's intention to release the game for PC.
>>340406747
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle
Windows 7 EOL January 14, 2020
Why doesn't Valve port TF2 and CSGO to Source 2?
>>340405517
Hasnt it been "year of the linux desktop at last!" for like 5 years now? Linuxfags aren't very good at ETAs
>>340406874
They only released it for Windows because Windows is most compatible with their console release. Other PC paltforms that Blizzard used to support were left in the cold and given Blizzard's increasingly hostile policies towards people using third party compatibility software, playing them on unsupported platforms may not ever be possible.
>>340402772
>i wanted to play a game but because I was too lazy to type cl_first_person_uses_world_model 0 into console I forced myself to not want to play it
>>340407085
Microsoft has never shit the bad as badly as they have with Windows 10. Do you really want to have no options other than whatever they decide you have to use?
>tfw overwatch looks fun but I'm a macfag
40 dollarydoos isn't worth it anyways.
>>340407148
Because gaming on Mac and Linux are fucking dead and have always been dead.
You still don't have the slightest shred of evidence that a shooter designed by a company with an absolutely massive and rabid PC fanbase, who until now have almost exclusively developed for PC, using an engine for a game that was being made for a PC exclusive game, and is trying to supplant a game that is almost entirely PC based, was somehow designed for consoles primarily.
>>340406835
>disrupt BACKLINE
>bully SNIPERS
>DISTRACT enemies
None of these things are "tending to the objective," meaning they are completely worthless in a game where the enemy team has 0 communication to begin with.
>>340407676
The hero is a flanker though. I was doing my job
>>340399604
>WHY WONT DEVELOPERS WORK EXTRA HARD TO MAKE THEIR GAME
RUN ON MY SHITTY HARDWARE
>>340407876
>>340407676
Mind this is attacking
>>340407448
TF2 supports Windows, Linux, and MacOS.
Overwatch only supports Windows.
In the past Blizzard supported Windows and MacOS. In terms of their PC support they're moving backwards abandoning users that they used to support and not keeping up with their competition. They've even stopped using cross-platform friendly APIs.
Clearly their massive PC fanbase doesn't matter to them as they're willing to throw it away to pursue console money.
Quick question, guys. I have a graphics card that won't do DX11 or 12, but I can't find any concrete eveidence of whether i'll be able to run Overwatch at Dx10 or Dx9. I've found people saying it won't work, but the official minimum requirements lists a card that doesn't do DX11 or 12.
Any answers?
>>340406642
>Heavy still has no class-specific domination lines
>Medic too
Pyro gets a pass for being Pyro, but surely they could find the time for these two since they've been brought back for stuff.
Last i heard Matchmaking will have voice stuff, but they were probably just wishful thinking.
>>340400658
Nah, tried everything on Intel 4000 and it just won't happen.
Not complaining though since I didn't expect much anyway.
>>340408256
source, good sir?
>>340408829
Eh, not feeling particularly helpful today, sorry dude.
>Why Overwatch will never surpass TF2
It already has. 7 million fucking copies at 60/40 bucks a pop compared to TF2. 7 fucking MILLION copies, plus microtransactions.
>>340408283
Medic doesn't seem like the kind of guy to actually come up with specific insults, valve has no excuse for Heavy though.
>>340409062
Orange box and tf2 sold more.
>>340409303
Yeah, TF2's lifetime sales. Overwatch released like two weeks ago. Give it a year.
>>340409603
That goalpost just shifted a little.
>>340402974
What's so bad about this? If anything, it will make the e-sport scene even more difficult cause of the this kinda stuff.
>>340410365
>What's so bad about this?
You are joking.
>>340402974
Aren't counterstrike hitboxes like this too?
>>340410606
I've never seen ANY game with hitboxes this bad.
Not even the huntsman.
>>340406314
Doesn't XP only support up to like 2GB of RAM? Like, you need a newer operating system to actually operate any more?
>>340410531
Why should I care anyway?
TF2 was a joke in the competitive scene. It was never meant to be competitive, that's why they kept adding more items and weapons over and over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1itn8XNo5d8
Compare this video to an actual competitive Team Fortress game like TFC or Quake TF.
We live in a different era, Anon. Games are meant for casuals now.
>>340410930
32bit operating systems can't address more than 4GB of RAM. Windows operating systems below 10 won't support new hardware launched after this year and will never support either DirectX 12 or the new 'Universal' application format.
>>340411309
I agree with you.
To a point.
But I don't think a mistake like that should be acceptable. I like tf2 because it's casual. But there's no reason to have larger hitboxes.
>>340402463
Nobody gives a shit about Linux.
And when not even actual gamers do, normies sure as hell won't.
Linux gaming support is the biggest mistake a developer can make.
Also, there's literally nothing wrong with Windows 10 unless you're a pedo or terrorist.
No company gives a shit about you.
>>340411461
I agree too, but this game was made with console in mind and for casuals.
It's the new era, Anon.
Might also be compensation for the tick-rate actually. I refunded this game because I couldn't stand it, really messes up how I play.
>>340412181
Shame, because all my friends seem to be playing it.
>>340412323
Probably get it when it's cheap as fuck or gifted me me or someshit.
Can't really justify getting it atm.
Plus, games like this waste my time far too much.
>>340408760
Go to bed Welfin
>Why Overwatch will never surpass TF2
8 Million players
It already has
>>340399604
it's 2016
if you don't have a good enough pc to run overwatch, buy a better pc
>>340412952
I hate to admit it but I like bastion's design.
And I like playing as big gorillas like winston.
Or fast characters.
>>340399604
You can build a machine good enough to run OW for a few hundred bucks.
I'm sorry if your job doesn't afford you enough cash to build a new rig every nine years.
>>340399604
I just notice, this has the email for gabe newell embedded into the email field.
Could this be the real mccoy?
>>340400658
>barely 60 FPS
I get 90 to100 FPS on the highest settings.
>>340413160
Nothing wrong with anything you said, why do you hate to admit it?
Are you closet gay or somethin?
TF2 runs like shit these day. OW freezes up on me randomly, even though the beta ran perfectly.
Anyone experiencing similar problems?
>>340413546
I hate to admit it because it coincides with OW, even though I'm not too particularly interested in OW's core gameplay of abilities and such.
>>340413281
It's not even that, I can't justify the cost of a luxury item meant only for games. It'll never be high enough on my list of priorities.
>>340407876
>>340408003
You're not playing wrong in theory. You're playing wrong in practice.
If you were playing against a coordinated team, these things would happen:
>attack the backline --> frontline is stuck between turning their back to your team or letting you kill their supports
>bully the snipers --> rest of the enemy team suffers due to lack of sniper support
>distract enemies --> rest of your team is able to make a solid attack and clear/take the objective
What's happening because you're playing against match-made teams that aren't going to communicate:
>you disrupt what you think is the backline --> they don't actually have a backline, and you're just killing one of 6 people wandering around
>you bully the sniper --> you're wasting your time, because that sniper was just taking potshots instead of picking off important targets
>you try to distract the enemy --> none of the enemy team is communicating, so only the one or two you're directly attacking are aware you're doing anything
You're trying to use strategy, and that only works if you're playing against people that have a plan. You'll win more if you just walk up to objective repeatedly until the round ends.
>>340414045
Yeah I feel like I might as well just bumrush the point. Reaper's kind of shit at that though
>>340399604
Overwatch runs on toasters. What is you point?
Hasn't overwatch already overtaken TF2?
Everyone talks about it. Nobody can stop talking about overwatch.
There are 5 threads on at any time.
>>340414168
Bumrush it from behind their lines and you'll have a much better/more hilarious time of it. In a quarter of my matches where I attack as Reaper, I can get through 4 or 5 of them before anyone bothers to turn around and help their allies.
>>340414448
Tell me about it
I got a triple or quad kill yesterday as reaper on volskaya 2nd point
just walked up beside them, shot a few, ulted and won the round
they were too busy attacking my team to look left
>>340407273
No dude he is a sweet hacker who is scripting.
>>340402974
It's not the hitbox being bad, just that Mercy's shot are really thick. Same thing with Hanzo's arrows.
Do the same thing with mccree or widowmaker and you will miss.
I mean, the game runs on my computer, but the PS4 version looks and runs better so I'm sticking to that.
>wanting the TF2 audience
Thank fuck, i don't want to see queers, faggots, bronies, autists and /v/tards in my Overwatch.
>>340416154
No matter what you believe, any sizeable community will get exactly that.
>>340405292
I've spent thousands of hours in console shooters and Overwatch is almost unplayable on console due to shots conforming exactly to the dot crosshair and the necessity of constant headshots.
>>340411867
Most people don't care about their os in general. That's why windows 10 is a forced update, people wouldn't do it otherwise. Most people are tech illiterate when it comes to computers.
For linux to be popular it would have to have come pre installed on some computer along with a video on how it's different.
>>340408760
Retard anon, I use intel hd 4000 too and I can run it just fine on pic related
>>340411309
>TF2 IS BAD BECAUSE THEY ADDED TOO MANY WEAPONS
>AND MY PROOF, IS A VANILLA TOURNAMENT
absolute banger of a post, lad
>>340410606
they fixed the hitboxes 9 months ago
>people here probably consider everything that is 2-3 years old a toaster
THIS is a fucking toaster. And it cannot run Overwatch but it did run TF2, at least in the past.
>>340413518
>everyone in the universe uses the same hardware configuration I use
>>340403608
Someone in a different thread said it's probably because of all the new hats without proper LOD.
>>340399604
TF2 will always be our beloved TF2 but tlet's be honest. Since 2013 they've made some of the shittiest updates.
Pyro is OP (and always was) and gets all the new weapons while other classes just lack those, no new maps, shitty repetitive mods. It's just good to sell your shit for $$$ if you don't play it anymore.
>>340418407
>Pyro op
ahahahaha
What a fucking shitter, pyro is the least powerful class.
Guys. What if they just release Team Fortress 3?
>>340399604
It won't surpass it because it's literally TF2 just with Moba heroes. The game is another flavor of the month that will drop off real soon. It will struggle to maintain a huge playerbase just like TF2 has.
>>340399604
nah, I love the fact is not trash end friendly and not f2p because it stops south americans from infecting it.
But it runs on a Intel 4000 integrated graphics chip. Literally at 60fps with slowdown only at intense sections.
>>340418407
>pyro was always op
I haven't played since they introduced unlockables. But no. Pyro sucked outside of killing shitters in pugs
>>340418616
Unless they find a way to transfer cosmetics, I don't see it. People are way to invested in that shit
>>340399604
we don't want your audience.
keep playing your game, i'll keep playing mine
cheers
Maybe I'm wrong but I stopped playing TF2 because it was dead to me, the servers i used to be were filled with trading whores and I really couldn't find a place for me in that game anymore.
Is it still played? is it really and by played I mean played, not people trading shit.
Is TF2 the true rival to Overwatch or are people saying that because of it's inspiraton?
I followed some updates and the only one that seemed interesting to me was a halloween one.
>2016 game should support the hardware used to run a 2007 game
literally 9 years of technological progress, fuck off
>>340420668
/thread
>>340402974
Yes, I'm certain that the most competitive of players will stand perfectly still so you can land headshots on them for free. It's only polite.
TF2 is literally a meme game
people just enjoy it in lolsorandumxd youtube videos and no one actually plays it
>>340422051
I liked kitty0706's TF2 videos.
>>340422175
well you can still watch howtobasic
it's the same kind of humor
>>340399604
Considering the TF2 audience right now consists of bronys, furries, autistic children, cutthroat jews who think pixels are a life or death struggle, and every shade of retarded 3rd worlders I hope they never switch over to overwatch.
The actual reason that Overwatch won't do as well is because its matches are way too high paced and visually confusing as opposed to TF2. TF2's pacing was pretty solid with the varying speeds of projectiles and characters.
Additionally, TF2 having a centralized color scheme made things not as much of a cluster fuck. (Items kind of ruined this but original TF2 has one of the strongest and most recognizable models and color schemes)
People can only respond to so much stimuli before getting tired.
