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Why people are okay with this
Normalfags, the main demographic for games now, dont know they can have better.
Because it's purely cosmetic.
Why are you not okay with it? It's purely optional and only cosmetic.
I don't understand the reason to freak out if it's purely cosmetic
Can someone explain why there is frustration?
Not even kidding but those things are way more fun to open that csgo cases. Bought 11 loot boxes because Im not a poorfag and got 2 Legendaries.
>>340357605
Because cosmetics that you can earn by playing, too, don't give you a leg up in competition.
>>340357605
>Optional
>Cosmetic
>Earnable by playing
>>340357605
because all new map and heros are free
>>340358431
this desu
it's like a random prize instead of getting a random turd in csgo and having to pay to get a key to unlock it
Explain to me how microtransactions are any different from cosmetic dlc?
Oh right they're the same thing, the only difference is this game is made by blizzard so everyone flips their shit.
WoW has had this shit for years at this point, I'm not saying it's good or right, but it's nothing new.
>>340358452
>>340358560
>What is psychology and enjoyment in a video game
>feeling left out doesn't affect your enjoyment
>grinding hundreds of hours is ok
get a load of those faggots
>>340358331
>>340358395
>>340358696
Prove it
>>340357605
Future maps will be free. If purely cosmetic items fund it idgaf. It's how a cash shop should work
>>340357605
In the old days you would usually have to put a cheat code in or grind by completing x tasks to unlock stuff. They basically took out cheats in favor of paying to skip grinding or the unlocking process. It's way more jewish, but people who 100% games or close to it aren't even affected by it
>>340358696
They'll be as free as skins - have fun unlocking new heroes through crates :)
>>340358758
>what is self control
If you're that weak-minded then perhaps this game is not for you.
>>340358697
wait what
isnt it basically the same thing?
csgo crates drop for free and then you buy the key.
or am i missing something
>>340358912
You have to spend money to open CSGO crates unless they've changed out Valve does their crates. It's not the same as getting a free crate to open every now and then.
>>340358912
What you are missing is that you can flip csgo items for more steambux to buy more csgo items or video games
where as overwatch, all items are worthless because there is no community market to sell them
>>340357605
charging for shit that should be free is a bad look.
if blizzzard can get away with it, other developers will start doing it. just like how microsoft started charging for online and sony jump on board.
>>340358912
You buy or earn an Overwatch lootcrate and you just open it. No key. You don't even have to pay, you get one every time you level up
>>340357605
Because it doesn't hinder the game and might as well not be there. It's even less jewy than CS:GO which gives you boxes that can only be opened by paying
>>340358895
I don't play games to be constantly exercised in self-control. I do have it, but there's nothing good in the constant pressure. And before you argue that there isn't any pressure - there certainly is, that's the focus of this business model.
It depends really.
If you can get that stuff throught in-game currency, like in R6:Siege or CoH2 now, then i don't really mind, especially if it's just cosmetics.
If not, then it's a dick move.
>>340358696
u mean the rest of the game? I'll be sure to tweet a heartfelt thank you to Blizzard for all the free stuff
>>340359025
so it is even more of a waste of money
>>340358894
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Overwatch-Won-t-Charge-Heroes-Maps-104007.html
http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/7/9864448/overwatch-will-receive-additional-heroes-and-maps-for-free
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/all-overwatch-post-release-maps-and-heroes-will-be/1100-6432887/
http://www.pcgamer.com/all-of-overwatchs-post-launch-maps-and-heroes-will-be-free/
http://www.inquisitr.com/2617994/blizzard-confirms-overwatch-dlc-will-be-free-after-launch/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/12/08/overwatch-wisely-decides-to-keep-all-future-heroes-and-maps-free/#66f0e88061c1
>>340357605
Most people aren't unless they
1) can be earned through gameplay
2) are purely cosmetic
Honestly, as a current game dev there is no reason not to put shit like this in because it's basically free money. Some idiot will buy them.
If you don't like the trend of putting shit like this into games AND a game have microtransactions that don't affect the game or can be earned through a reasonable amount of play just don't fucking buy them.
You should be more upset with the fucktards who encourage this stuff. Devs aren't doing it because they're greedy, they're doing it because it is guaranteed money for 0 effort. Blizz has probably already made more money off of the loot boxes than the sales of the game and all they did is take a pre-existing gameplay feature and say "...or you could buy it for real money" and people flipped shit and spent hundreds of dollars trying to get that one skin they will never get from a loot box anyway because retards.
IMO everyone should write their representatives and try to get this shit regulated like a real casino. That would stop that shit real fast. Suddenly it's more hassle if you have this cancer in your games AND the government gets more money to waste on bombs.
>>340357605
It's tacky but they're just cosmetics. If it was unique weapons or characters it'd be bullshit.
>>340359140
Yes, but these people will defend their purchases regardless so don't bother trying to understand their autism.
>>340359126
Then this game is not for you.
>>340358696
Game with barely any content.
>look guys you'll get the rest of the game for free if you keep buying our loot crates
Casuals are so easily manipulated.
>It's cosmetic
Has everyone forgotten about what started as sparkle ponies and what is now instant boosts to level 100 for sale?
>>340359130
Everything you can earn through the crates is also purchasable with currency in game. Some of the more lucrative things will, of course, cost more but no real money ever has to be spent.
>>340359298
Have you forgotten that you're a faggot?
>>340359170
If "you can get all the cosmetics ''''for free'''' without spending a cent" is an argument,
then it can also be argued that releasing heroes and maps through crates (or the currency FROM the crates) is also "free" and fits with what they said
>>340357605
Microtransactions aren't going anywhere so I just accepted that they'll be in games nowadays. I'll take cosmetics as microtransactions any day over weapons or boosters.
>>340359298
Then start a row when you get actual boosts for items.
>Not a poorfag
>Like the game and support it
>Want to look like a special snowflake
>Buy crate with my own money
>People care
>CS:GO crate drops for free
>Buy key
>Open for knife skin
>It's okay
>TF2 crate drops
>Buy key
>Get unique weapon
>It's okay
>?????
>>340359305
That's neat then, that's what i'm saying.
At this point it'd be really in everyones best interest for MP only games to be cheaper and have a system like that.
They'd probably make more money on the long run.
>>340359265
Which doesn't counter any of my arguments.
The simple fact that the content in the Loot Boxes are completely randomised is totally bullshit and a total psychological trick to making you want to purchase a more expensive box.
>>340359497
Nor does it invalidate any of mine. If you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen.
>>340359456
CS:GO cases are fucking garbage. Never gotten anything worth shit.
>>340359491
My main issue is that unboxing duplicates only refunds you 1/5th of the cost which is still fine until you've unboxed the same legendary skin 3 times in a row now.
Jim Sterling made the perfect irrefutable argument about these Loot Boxes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWTsJZD3YFQ
>>340359497
Your arguments don't matter because this game is not for you
Why do you feel every single game in existence needs to completely cater to your tastes and must 100% follow your sensibilities?
>>340359538
theres more than one type?
>>340358827
This man I really don't know how to come back after you posted a reaction image with absolutely no argument at all
I guess you've won this argument
no wonder Konami turned to Pachinko you fuckers love gambling
>>340357605
>pity timer givers you a legendary at least every 10 boxes.
>However duplicates only give 20% of the gold value
I think it could balanced a bit better, but it's relatively fair.
>>340359576
But it's okay to buy randomized loot box keys in Counterstrike
It's okay to buy a hat in Team fortress. Or a gun. Or a key for a box that might drop these.
But suddenly Overwatch. Everyone shits their pants and it's not okay a-and Blizzard shouldn't be allowed to get away with this!!
>neo/v/ cant find anything bad to say about the game so it picks the optional microtransactions that you can earn for free or buy with ingame money anyway
kek
>>340359424
Do you seriously think they're going to go "Heh fuck it lets make this one hero cost money to unlock and completely fuck up the design of our game heh. We iz evul".
I can guarantee all heroes will be free.
>>340359694
Yes, there's 5 of them as OP's pic clearly shows
>>340357605
because they promised all future characters and maps would be free. thats why its okay to fund the project in this manner.
>>340359763
Why the fuck do you think people make fun of paid cosmetics by calling them "hats"? This shit has been hated since TF2, don't be stupid.
>>340359832
lol, thats just different AMOUNTS of the same box bud
>>340359832
It's the same picture, just telling you you can buy more than one box at a time. They are literally the same box.
>>340359668
>irrefutable
>"having loot boxes like this in a buy to play game isn't acceptable"
Why? He never says why.
This is his opinion, and even if it's an opinion I agree withit's still an opinion. It's not an actual argument. You can completely refute that as an argument by saying "I disagree"
>>340359741
Half, not 20%
>>340359424
No, it can't, you retarded fucking mongoloid. One of the lead designers said it would not be fair for someone, at any time, to own a hero that someone else may not have access to.
Do research before spouting your stupid fucking "hurr its not gonna be """"free"""" "free"".
Christ.
Retards gon tard.
>>340359565
It does. This is a predatory business model which has no place in B2P games. I should not be forced to handle the heat in the first place, get it through your thick skull Blizzdrone.
>>340359684
If your only argument in favor of predatory microtransactions is "don't play it lol", then you really have no argument at all.
>>340359891
Splatoon offered all of its weapons and Maps updates for free for the last year and it didn't need microtransactions of any kind, and considering that Overwatch's sales are in the millions, your argument holds no weight and is merely a PR excuse.
>>340359961
200 credits back for a legendary dupe.
>>340360032
>predatory business model
Good Lord you're actually pathetic if you think cosmetic induced envy is a "predatory" model.
And you're not forced to handle the heat because you can choose NOT TO BUY THE GAME.
>>340360032
If your only argument against predatory microtransactions is "I personally dislike it so it's bad" then you really have no argument at all
I'm glad the Stillborn defense force is still trying to smear Overwatch because of the cosmetic cases that don't affect a single thing.
>>340359424
Are people really saying this, this is an incredibly retarded idea to use crates to unlock heroes.
>gamers defend microtransactions in full priced games
can they go any lower?
>>340359906
Actually, i think the main issue with the hats in TF2 was how out of place then are in the game world. Some of that crap really stands out like a sore thumb.
Same thing in CS:GO or any other FPS with weapon skins.
From what i've seen in Overwatch, the skins are ussualy pretty much in sync with the overall tone of the game.
>>340357605
I don't understand why people complain about it. Buying Pokemon or MtG cards has rng in it.
>>340359976
>One of the lead designers said it would not be fair for someone, at any time, to own a hero that someone else may not have access to.
But you have access to it. You just have to play to get it. This is literally the same argument every overwatchfag is using, that you have access to all content in game because you can earn it for free.
>>340360181
How does Blizzard's dick taste?
Dota and CSGO have been doing this (CSGO still costs money btw) and I have always viewed this model as the best for competitive games. It's purely cosmetic and low entry cost. It helps keep the game that you love maintained (as far as servers, etc) and provides income for new content for the game. Dota 2 came out 5 years ago and is more popular now than it was back then. That's a huge accomplishment for any video game.
>>340359906
>Never seen a whining thread like this about TF crates
>Or CS:GO crates
>have actually seen multiple threads of people showing off their decked out TF2 character loadouts
>>340360238
ye 40 dollars is full priced
>>340360295
Becasue they've already dropped $40/60 to play the actual game, something you don't need to do with either of your examples.
>>340360375
Then I don't think you've been around very long. People who bitched lose interest over time, and only the people who buy into cosmetics start posting. It will happen with Overwatch too.
>>340360312
Cosmetics are not the same as content and no one is denying that buying boxes gets you access to cosmetics faster, so if heroes or maps were released in crates then those who paid for them would have an advantage.
Cosmetics don't confer an advantage, whether you pay for them or play for them, but quicker access to heroes or maps certainly does.
>>340360426
>something you don't need to do with either of your examples
Yes you do. You can't play a game of pokemon or magick with a single booster pack.
>>340360392
Full priced for a F2P format
I feel like the loot crate microtransactions are a remnant from when it was Titan, that and the currency system, both combined with how leveling works for loot crates just make both of those seem extremely redundant.
Really though, they should have scrapped the currency and microtransactions and tied all unlocks to achievements, and then loot crates just being a way to slowly unlock everything passively as you level if you can't git gud or do some extremely arbitrary thing with a hero
>>340360151
It is, because it preys on psychology of players. And considering that people buy it in droves just furthers to prove my argument. People easily fall prey to it without even understanding what psychological tricks led them to it.
>And you're not forced to handle the heat because you can choose NOT TO BUY THE GAME.
Yes. But it doesn't make my criticisms of the game invalid.
>>340360179
But "i personally dislike it" is not my argument. I said that it's a predatory business practice which has no place in paid-for games. Nice strawman.
>>340360552
Yes you can, just go on the internet and print out a board on paper.
>>340360312
That's not having access you clown. That's "not having access to this ""free"" hero until you randomly unlock it, so until then, get fucked and hope they aren't OP, or buy our loot crates friendo :^)"
>>340359668
good on him for waiting till after the game sold a billion copies and 10 billion boxes. At least the game won't be eligible for his end of the year game awards though, right? After he hooked it up with a 9 out of 10?
He's such a good guy for standing up against these shitty practices.
>>340360573
Every game is designed to be bought and played. You may as well rail against the entirety of the video games industry.
>>340359668
Wait wait wait, you are fucking Jim Sterling I have seen these types of posts a week ago.
This guy is trying to fucking get jumpstart 4chan popular kek
>>340360540
>get reinhardt's gold skin
>a couple people are jealous and focus me
>enables my team to fight more freely because it makes my job as the tank easier
>get junkrat's green skin
>launch past enemy team then hide in a bush until they give up on trying to find me
>booby trap the path back to the front line
>>"cosmetics have ABSOLUTELY ZERO affect on the gameplay guys!"
>>340360540
>player models is not content
You are this retarded.
>Cosmetics don't confer an advantage
They don't. But it's still a withheld content. Not to mention that company has every incentive to release a bad default skin in favor of making cosmetics more desirable.
So many Blizzard fans have Activisions cocks so far up their thoats to see that Overwatch IS a Free To Play game, just converted at the last minute to make it seem like its not for maximizing profits and the fact that these loot boxes exist is the very evidence to that claim.
If the game had a free version where you had 4-6 characters on rotation while being able to purchase single characters, or pay $40 for the All Characters Pass, then you essentially have a game with the EXACT business model that Smite has.
>>340360573
>which has no place in paid-for games
Why? Because you said so? 7 million people disagree. The devs of the fucking game disagree.
>>340360767
Not every game has microtransactions. Apply yourself.
>>340360879
No, because you still have to pay $40-60 to get the game in the first place.
I hope you enjoy never getting that skin you want! Better buy a new crate for another chance! It's not like they can just let you buy the skin, no you gotta gamble for it! That's how you make the big bucks!
You people sicken me.
>>340360573
What the fuck in marketing or anything that has to do with money not about psychology, it's been in human nature and nature since the beginning of time.
I have a problem with this microtransaction system as it reminds me of the one in the Plants vs zombies garden warfare.
Still like that PVZ
From where I stand this is what I hear when people say "this is only cosmetics, so it doesn't matter."
a) It doesn't matter to *me*. That it matters to others is irrelevant.
b) I don't care that the practice is predatory, as long I'm not the victim, and as long as I can profit from it.
That second one is especially important since people will tell you that the influx of money is necessary for continued development of the game, and to prevent the segmentation that would happen with DLC packs.
But then those are not the only two possible payment schemes. A subscription based model could have been adopted. With fairer practices across the board for it. But then everyone would have to pay. Not just the segment of people for whom cosmetics matters and who are susceptible to the predatory skinner box practices.
>>340360986
Name a team based game in the past half decade that does not have a form of micro transactions.
>>340360986
So only microtransactions are predatory? Why? Because you want them?
Is DLC predatory? Because you want it?
Why aren't games predatory in general? The developers want you to buy them, and in droves. Hell, they do research on what gets players addicted to playing their games. Why isn't that predatory?
>>340360614
Now you have a game board and 15 cards from that booster pack
Where's your deck? A deck takes 60 cards
>>340361032
These threads get hilariously close to those logs of people with a financial domination fetish, i love it.
>>340360974
User Score disagree's with you, Just because 7 million purchased the game doesn't mean they like the MT's
>>340361032
I just want Hayseed Junkrat.
Because Blizzdrones will defend literally everything blizzard does, no matter how stupid or jewish it is.
what's worse is that the microtransactions are for random loot. blizzard is really loving those whales that casually spend hundreds gambling
>>340361075
>predatory
You are seriously pathetic.
Remember when people used to get mad about on-disc dlc? Now people want it.
>>340359424
They explicitly said they didn't want to split the player base at all. Missing skins doesn't split a player base, but missing characters and especially maps does. They said they want to just give them out. It makes sense to do that as well, as it means a whole slew of new things to get in a crate. But I'm sure they'll just not support their cash cow because "muh blizzdrone"
Reminder no matter how bad your luck is Ive hit level 20 without a single skin drop of any rarity
>>340361142
Easy Splatoon
Hell it went the extra mile of having all of its post release content get released for FREE.
>>340357605
It's completely optional.
>>340360974
Funny, coming from a defense force which calls those who purchase skins "idiots". So, almost 7 million idiots?
>>340360876
>Thinking your skin makes people focus on the tank
Y-You're just pretending to be retarded, right?
>>340357605
I'm not, and I won't buy overwatch. I won't do paid DLC either, but that's a different story.
>>340361380
It's completely random and purchasing one gives you no say in what you're getting.
>>340361206
>everyone agrees with me so I'm right
That's not how things work anon.
>>340357605
Becuase, as babies, they were left in their high-chair sitting in the sun too long and the heat caused their brain to swell, leading to irreversible brain damage, OP.
>>340360876
Enemy characters are highlighted you idiot, and people focus on characters for whatever reason. Maining a certain character will get you shit on by other players. Getting upset and whining in team chat will get you shit on by other players.
>>340360876
>grasping at straws this hard
Holy fuck, what a moron
>>340361206
The metacritic reviews are full of really salty people though. Not to mention all the battleborn fans that have nothing to do.
>>340361226
Yea but the loot crates are free, and just cosmetic.
Compared to every other game that effects gameplay or definitely cost money to use then ok...
>>340361256
Nice ad hominem. I'll wait for an argument as to why a scheme that is specifically tailored so as to abuse the psychological weaknesses of people predisposed to gambling addiction isn't predatory in nature.
>>340361212
Mein nigger, I settled with the prison skin in the mean time
I'm not. but fags like redditers call it "supporting the dev" with these "harmless" transactions. their cancerous kind embraced pay to obtain. it did so well it's impossible to avoid now.
>>340361032
>You people sicken me
The people who are so desperate to be a special snowflake with their cool new character skin sicken me even more.
The people who are actually so desperate as to spend real money on it are the worst.
Luckily, none of that matters and the game plays EXACTLY THE SAME as it would if the cosmetics didn't even exist
>>340361145
>Why aren't games predatory in general?
Do you buy loot boxes in Steam and then see which game you got? Are really this retarded?
>Is DLC predatory? Because you want it?
It is, but at least it is a straightforward transaction. Let's not forget what started the whole DLC - the fucking horse armor. Since when are you faggots ok with this kind of shit?
>>340357605
I'm pretty happy with some fucking idiot whale funding my future game content desu.
>>340361381
If you saw what the average teammate was like, you'd agree. Almost 7 million idiots sounds feasible.
>>340361654
Humble Bundle monthly is exactly this: you buy the subscription and then see what games you got.
>>340361613
Let me be frank with you:
YOU HAVE A GAMBLING PROBLEM! And your putting yourself in denial due to your love of Blizzard.
>>340361486
>but 7 million people agree with me, they bought the game!
nice backpedalling though
why are people ok with this?
>>340361581
It's absolutely pathetic that people will gleefully hand over extra money for things >>that they didn't used to have to pay for<< to support BLIZZARD. It's like if you had the option of handing extra money to the cocacola corporation, and you did, because you love their product. FUCk all of you.
>>340361336
wtf is a splatoon I said video game
>TF2's aestetic was ruined by all of the cosmetics!
>It started off with a few theme-fitting hats but it's out of control now!
>Overwatch has cosmetics on release
>Blizzard would never ruin their game with cosmetics like valve because blizzard is perfect
My god
>>340361763
>YOU HAVE A GAMBLING PROBLEM!
I haven't spent a dime on it, anon.
>>340361718
So, 7 million idiots are in favor of microtransactions. So what was the point again?
>>340361819
Because Valve and Counter Strike blind fanboys
>>340357605
man has the freedom to be moronic with their money. that's their choice, and as long as people pay, then it's fine. if people don't want to pay, then the market has spoken.
why
are
people
ok
with
this
>>340357605
>its literally okay when tf2 does it.
>>340361613
so because you don't care about it it's okay?
>>340361875
So you're defending a game you haven't even paid for?
Get off this thread, you clearly have no idea what's going on.
>>340361885
They are AIDS that need to be simulatiously headshotted from orbit using that flying ship from Captain America: Winter Soldier
>>340360876
>Focusing Reinhardt like a retard
>Name pops up when you mouse over somebody, Junkrat being one of the easiest to find
Jesus Christ were you dropped on your head as a child.?
>>340361654
Since it's not something that I need to pay for because I have self control?
I'll buy a game that has microtransactions that are purely cosmetic and I won't buy a game whose microtransactions are not. Boycotting bad business models while ignoring irrelevant ones is that simple.
>>340361937
Remember when TF2 doing it eventually caused the game to become fucking ruined.
>>340362071
>If you don't enjoy the game, don't play it
Tell that to the people who did purchase the game and didn't enjoy it, leaving them $40/60 out of pocket.
>>340361741
And the percentage share of Humbly monthly from the global game sales is?
>>340361885
If someone wants to spend $500 on something that won't affect his character's abilities in any way, why not let them?
And, most importantly, if someone does something that idiotic, how does it affect me at all? Oh wait, it doesn't. It doesn't affect me in the slightest.
>>340357605
>cosmetic items that can be unlocked through game trigger people
>>340361873
>cosmetics ruined TF2, not the shitload of unbalanced weapons causing power creep, constant redesigning of core classes, inclusion of shit game modes nobody wanted, the F2P transition and the tidal waves of hackers it unleashed, nope nope nope it was the hats
>>340361819
valve managed to turn its playerbase into gambling addicts, and noone seems to care.
>>340362146
>They don't return their games
>???
>>340362158
Does it matter? It's predatory by your own standard. Shouldn't you be arguing that it be shut down?
>>340362170
Just you wait until Half Life 3: The Pachinko Machine.
>Can earn boxes for free
>Experience caps quickly so you receive boxes at a reliable rate
>Contents are purely cosmetic and don't affect the gameplay in any way
If you're mad about this, you're a spergy autist trying to validate your jealousy and if you feel an obligation to buy them you have a gambling problem. That's literally all there is to it. Save your autism in case Blizzard actually starts using loot boxes for things that are actually useful.
>>340362106
>I'll buy a game that has microtransactions
holy shit kill yourself
>>340358758
Only a problem if you have an incredibly weak will or are just plain retarded. The game doesn't force or even encourage you to buy boxes; the option is muted and shuffled to a corner instead of plastered everywhere.
Game doesn't even present a heavy drought of loot crates early on; at level25 the exp requirement goes static and every 3-4 games gets you a crate from that point on. You'd have to be supremely impatient to buy boxes.
>>340362071
>cashing in on idiots doesn't hurt anyone
>game development eventually becomes 100% about cashing in on idiots because they're the only source of revenue
Literally who cares. You get the crates free in game and it's just stupid cosmetic shit anyway. I've never payed for a single crate and I got 4 legendaries out of packs. Currently about level 28/29.
Why are you so mad that the game provides the option to buy the cosmetics with real money? In street fighter 4 there was no way to get cosmetics without paying real money. Surely this model is preferable to you.
And again, it's just some dumb cosmetic shit - who even cares. I don't even bother to equip most of the stuff I get out of crates.
>>340362165
>TF2's AESTHETIC was ruined by all of the cosmetics
>>340361819
oh tthe rusty knife looks cool
>but it's just cosmetics
Abusing retards for their money is wrong
Retards should be protected from their own retardation, not exploited for cash
>>340361996
I thought you were referring to the microtransactions. You know, the thing this entire thread is about.
So what's your point here? Are you insinuating I bought overwatch for the cosmetic gambling?
>>340357605
I'm going to wonder what they'll sell on the shop next. Probably weapon skins.
>>340362318
Good thing there were several betas with that last long ass one for people to actually try it before they blew money on it
>>340362318
nigga I refunded diablo 3
>>340361819
I really don't get the point of knives.
>Lets take the most situational weapon that literally gets you laughed at half the time you pull it out to actually fight
>And give them flashy skins where a majority of them, even for the ones like utter shit, are >$50 on the market
>And to do this lets make these incredibly awful weapons with meme skins be the rarest thing in the game
>Unless little Timmy gets his moms purse for us
>>340357605
>Wah I can't play virtual barbie doll because I have to play the game while other people can play virtual barbie doll by spending money
Disgust
>>340362210
(((Blizzard)))
>>340357605
I kinda like being a special snow flake but damn I can't justify buying shit for overwatch it'll all drop and you'll get coins to buy shit. I'm kind of tempted to get dva or Winston's 1000 coin skin that's about it tho
>>340357605
They're underage or shitters
>>340362370
But only when it's convenient for me and makes me feel good, in any other occasion darwinism is the shit
>>340362370
They're not actually retards, anon. They're regular people who have self control but just don't exercise it.
>>340362106
>Since it's not something that I need to pay for because I have self control?
>Blizzard is not dumb and is constantly putting players under pressure to buy skins
>But it's fine because I love being constantly under psychological pressure
>>340361875
>>340361875
>>340361875
Classic /v/
>>340362278
>Implying this hasn't been the case for years
Valve outright stopped making games because of this.
>>340361909
The "market" is not, ultimately, the indisputable compass of a social body. Or else we would have free drug and companies would be allowed to pollute as much as they want as long as they make money out of it.
Identifying invisible, hidden costs and making sure they are accounted for and as much as possible regulated is one of the reasons why we have government bodies.
Now, maybe the situation at hand doesn't need that, but that won't be because "as long as people pay, then it's fine".
Hell, in case you hadn't noticed "voting with your wallet" is an asymmetric process and making it the scale by which you evaluate everything will lead you to a plutocratic society at best. Which I can't see as anything desirable myself.
>>340362370
>but it's just cosmetics
the future of games is looking bright every year
>it's just cosmetics
>it's just weapons
>it's just secret levels
>it's just small parts of the game
>>340358289
>normalfags
DoAX3 says hi
It's waifushitters and grindfags who love this shit.
>>340362616
>People won't call out and bombard companies that try to get quick cash at the expense of unbalancing the game
>>340362146
That's what the free week of gameplay was for.
>waaaaaaah I'm so mad that I bought this game that I hate even though Blizzard actually did me the courtesy of letting me play their FULL GAME for fucking FREE for a week (even longer if you got a beta key).
Yeah, nah, cry more. Can't say I feel sorry for you at all.
>>340362213
Oh, it's the "I have no arguments so I'll keep derailing" episode. Blizzdrones in denial are so cute.
>>340362520
If you lived across from a pizza shop with a sign that read "Buy Now!" in the window, would you accuse them of putting you under constant psychological pressure?
>>340357605
I think people my age spend 100$s of dollars on weed and drinking,condoms every week yet were arguing and bothered by digital loot crates and spending money on it.
But then again this is the reason why we play video games amiright anon?
>>340362718
No, that's precisely what you're doing.
You've defined it as predatory by your own standard. Are you not going to label it as such instead of dismissing it by cost?
Why does /v/ get to decide what is and isn't okay for people to spend their money on?
>>340357605
its the slow decline and monetization of the medium.
before we know it you will need to buy a dlc to be able to walk right in a game,and there will be "video games journalism" sites defending it and calling anyone who opposes it entitled and crybaby.
>>340362419
This times a billion.
>>340362718
>Blizzdrones
Alright I'm no gigantic fan of Blizzard but this word makes me mad. Half the time someone says anything remotely good about Blizzard it gets thrown out, sometimes as the only argument being the equivalent of 'Lol ur a Blizzdrone'.
What's better is that he's trying to argue but you're the one sidestepping it to call him a drone.
>>340358995
>>340359025
>>340358912
Someone who rarely plays Valve games except every few months. I had a csgo key in my inventory and I never ever buy keys. Was there ever a rare chance for keys to drop?
>>340358395
Out of principle mostly. People think that when a company offers micro transactions, the said company may tip the balance so that players are more seduced into buying the game. >>340358736
Not really micro transactions but since blizz sells boxes, you buy the right to gamble. making it worse for the consumer.
>>340358873
Gamble shop
>>340359101
Exactly. There are those who have more money than time. Besides, having a legend skin at an early level makes you look fake.
>>340359213
Its weird. The loot boxes are literal skinner box. They get you addicted and excited. If they didnt have it in the first place there is no need for microtransactions. If it can be proven that there are more players because of this, and thus giving me a better experience then I can say it as worth it.
>>340359298
Well Level doesnt mean anything in OW unlike in WOW which blocks progress.
>>340359538
>>340359961
You get 5 creds from a spray that costs 25 creds
>>340360238
To be serious. there are casual players that would pay. I defend the right but never will i buy until I am too busy,
>>340360571
No proof. especially since Titans is an MMO.
>>340361380
Simplistic argument.
>>340361581
K
>>340362737
Business need to stop abusing and raping people into buying items they want. So sick of this rape culture we live in.
>>340362616
Isn't overwatch compared to 80% 95% of the video game market have a better practice for a microtransaction system or DLC's in comparison?
It's just a random box ffs and a one time buy.
>>340362616
It's not a slippery slope if you can draw a line. The minute something gives you an advantage or access to other areas or heroes is the minute it's not something I'm going to reward by buying either the loot boxes themselves or the base game.
>>340362275
>retarded idiots buy tons of lootboxes and look cool
>I grind for hundreds and hundreds of hours and still look like a homeless nigger
>I'm fine with that
>>340362226
even that would hurt less than mgs3 pachinko edition.
What's the point of even getting the skins? There are millions of people playing the game ... it's not like any of the skins are actually unique and different. While grinding out boxes you can probably see the same rare skins dozens of times over.
Is it just so that you can look at the character doing absolutely nothing in a selection screen?
>>340362616
>it's just cosmetics
fine
>it's just weapons
>it's just secret levels
>it's just small parts of the game
not fine
>>340362894
autism the post
>>340362161
>how does it affect me at all? Oh wait, it doesn't. It doesn't affect me in the slightest.
If people didn't buy stuff like this, we would all still be getting it for free. It does affect everyone when people are willing to pay excessive prices for minor content. The first post in the thread >>340358289 is actually the best answer. We have cosmetic DLC because people seem to have forgotten we use to be able to unlock cosmetic items in game. Consoles have paid online now because people don't understand they could get it for free if they simply never started paying for it. Other people's low standards hurt everyone.
>>340362940
>I worry about looking cool in a video game
That sick skin won't make you look good in a killcam, anon.
>>340362737
Oh, a food analogy.
>>340362852
you know, companies and journalists haven't been calling people entitled anymore. now it's "support us more or we'll die" sort of stuff
>>340362894
>Simplistic argument.
a simple argument is still an argument. "Simplistic argument" isn't an argument, it's a fallacy
>mfw I've bought the 11, and 2 24 loot crates packs
I got everything I needed, but damn do I feel silly.
>>340363054
Quite right. Now quit dodging the question and tell me what your reaction would be.
>>340362891
He isn't arguing. He is deflecting with a good old Whataboutism.
>>340361206
700 vs 7 million? YOU WIN!
>>340362894
Early on after the first few announcementtheres was an interview where Blizz literally said Overwatch was using what they had meant to use for Titan.
>>340363042
>we use to be able to unlock cosmetic items in game
Which you still can in this case.
>>340363108
Hell, if you got everything you wanted, it's money well spent, right?
>Play the game
>Enjoy it
>Because, that's why you bought the game, right?
>Get some loot boxes with cool stuff
>Buy two legendaries with money I opened
>Everything is fine
You find out pretty quickly that if you play the game instead of shitposting, none of this is a issue. Let the normies buy that shit to fund the free maps and heros, hell if I care.
>>340363135
Sorry, we are discussing Overwatch microtransactions here, not everything else on Earth.
>>340363042
>we would all still be getting it for free.
There's nothing to base that on. Even if they didn't let you buy boxes, they could still have chosen to reward the boxes every level and have that be the only way to obtain new shit.
>>340363042
You are still getting it for free you supreme faggot.
And if people didn't buy this shit blizzard wouldn't waste their resources making so much of it.
>>340363050
If looking cool is so unimportant the why it is in game in the first place, and as a microtransaction to top it off?
>Just got Djinnyatta on a levelup crate
It was all I wanted. Everything else is a bonus now
I laugh at all you chumps that spent money on crates
>>340363252
>still deflecting
Should I apply more psychological pressure to get you to answer?
>>340362370
Shame on them nigger
>>340361996
I got it for free from the Taco Bell giveaway.
When do the voice lines play?
>>340363441
press c
>>340363136
>Says that your argument is based entirely on your own standards, not proper fact
>'Ah, the usual Blizzdrone'.
>>340363304
Except that you wouldn't need to grind thousands of hours to get those unlocks.
>>340363376
Because some people want to, so they have the option.
An option need not be taken.
If you disapprove of the model then don't buy the boxes or the game.
>>340362938
>>340362991
>but the weapons are underpowered, you shouldn't use them anyways
>secret levels were made for the "true" supporters of the game. they wouldn't be there if it wasn't for us
you know people would defend it
>>340363382
You should have drawn a comparison to the Todd threads, asking if those made him feel pressured to buy Fallout 4 instead of resorting to a food anology
>>340362759
Sex is social and condoms are safe
Weed and drinking are social and can be used for medicinal purposes in small doses
Crates gives your Tracer some random voice clip you'll never listen to
All of these things can be taken overboard and become dangerous, but loot crates has zero positive impact on one's life.
>want to buy a skin
>cant because I can only buy lottery tickets and pray
>>340357605
because free dlc
>>340357605
HOLY SHIT A COMPANY WANTS TO MAKE MONEY JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
>>340363578
Eventually enough lottery tickets might amount to enough fake money to buy it.
>people angry at horse armor even though its purely cosmetic
>now people defend any microtransaction thats purely cosmetic
What happened?
>>340363525
If it has an effect on gameplay, then it shouldn't be defended. If it doesn't then it doesn't need to be either defended or supported, it's simply an option.
>>340363706
Maybe because WoW has a mandatory monthly fee.
>>340363706
The house always wins
>>340363519
>Because some people want to, so they have the option.
It doesn't have to be a microtransaction.
>If you disapprove of the model then don't buy the boxes or the game.
Why should I put up with having it in the game? It fucking does affect me if it's in the game.
>>340363517
No, you missed the point of the post. In all of the betas, they had the current "give box on levelup" scheme. It was only on launch that they added the cash shop.
Why do you think that, if they hadn't added the cash shop, they would have just given it all away to everyone right at the start of the game? Games rarely do that anon. They love putting shit like that behind some kind of progression. Even if the cash shop didn't exist, they would most likely still have made us grind for it.
Saying we could have got it for free without having to grind if the cash shop didn't exist is a completely baseless assumption to make.
>>340363706
We now live in Bizarro world.
>>340363836
WoW doesn't cost anything to play
>>340358331
Retard
>>340363376
It's a micro transaction BECASE it's unimportant. Blizzard knows that they can take it out of the game and people won't throw a large scale chimp out.
It's in the game for 2 reasons:
1. Modern gamers can't play games unless they have some kind of progression system with unlockables
2. They know that there are retarded special snowflakes who love to play dress up in multiplayer games and there is already a standard for those dress up costumes to be DLC.
>>340363862
SO DON'T BUY IT HOLY FUCK
>>340363525
I know people would defend it, people will defend anything. People on this site defend Hitler.
Defending something doesn't inherently put the defender in the right
>>340363706
Israel happened, israel and those fucking jews trying to force their sjw bullshit down our troaths
>>340363519
>If you disapprove of the model then don't buy the boxes or the game.
Doesn't matter that you do as voting with your wallet is an asymmetrical process. It doesn't matter how many people refuse to pay as long as enough people do so to make the endeavor commercially viable.
Add to that that the point of contention happens to be that the very process of eliciting payment in our situation is predatory in nature and specifically tailored to make people with certain psychological profiles pay in spite of themselves, and I think you can see why your proposition is woefully insufficient to address the situation.
>>340361919
Wow, never knew that Rocket League had such sexy environmental design.
>>340363235
>>340363310
There is a low probability of getting things you want for free or even paying a small amount. Even the pallet swaps take a sever hours of grinding to buy. In older games, you would typically have a defined unlock criteria. Even games with random drops you at least know what enemy you should be grinding to get a low rate drop.
>>340363304
The would likely not design it in a way where most people will never unlock anywhere near everything. It would be pointless. The only reason to do it like this other than money is to satisfy people who enjoy having rare things just because they are rare.
This is actually a completely separate problem. The default skins in Overwatch are almost all better than the unlocks. After a few weeks, we will likely never see them again because everyone will want to use their rare drops.
>>340363905
Wow costs money unless you play market jew for hours a day or you've already been established for years.
>>340363892
>They love putting shit like that behind some kind of progression. Even if the cash shop didn't exist, they would most likely still have made us grind for it.
First, it's not a progression if you can buy your way out of it.
Second, just because there was no cash shop in beta doesn't mean that it wasn't balanced with cash shop in mind.
>Saying we could have got it for free without having to grind if the cash shop didn't exist is a completely baseless assumption to make.
Sure there would be a grind. But not at this level, because who would buy loot boxes if they didn't make the grind painfully long?
>>340357605
Because it is all cosmetic shit. It has literally no effect on gameplay.
>>340364039
Voting with your wallet does a fuckton more than whining on 4chan about your total lack of self-control ever will.
>>340364102
>The would likely not design it in a way where most people will never unlock anywhere near everything. It would be pointless.
Anon, I've got a crazy fact for you:
Most people don't put a lot of hours into the games they buy. Even with single player games, The vast majority of players never see the final chapter. According to Xbox achievements, over 90% of the people who played Red Dead Redemption never completed the final mission.
By your logic, they never should have finished the game. Only 10% of players would even fucking see it. It's pointless, right?
>>340357605
Because it doesn't impact gameplay at all, if anything, it gimps certain heros like zen because it increases their hitbox
This game is perfect for what it is, 40 dollars means no microtransactions that impact gameplay or leveling, and it keeps kiddies, poorfags and foreign scum out
>>340357605
>Why people are okay with this
I'm okay with this because I actually have money to spend on useless shit.
>>340363953
>SO DON'T BUY IT HOLY FUCK
Not buying it doesn't make it go away from the game, fucking autist.
>>340363949
>1. Modern gamers can't play games unless they have some kind of progression system with unlockables
It's not a progression if you can skip it with money.
>2. They know that there are retarded special snowflakes who love to play dress up in multiplayer games and there is already a standard for those dress up costumes to be DLC.
Just because someone lacks self-control doesn't mean that it should be put in game. If Blizzard didn't want you to buy crates then they wouldn't put them in game. And you are an idiot if you think they didn't make their research and don't think they can persuade you into buying loot boxes.
>>340364435
Why not just light your money on fire instead? It looks better and has a practical use in the winter.
>>340364487
So get a job at Blizzard and work your way up to becoming the top and destroy it from the inside.
>>340364309
"Voting with my wallet" by not buying accomplishes nothing.
Venting on 4chan helps taking the frustration away and allows me the effort to better formulate my argumentation on the subject matter. Does a lot more good methinks.
>>340364156
>First, it's not a progression if you can buy your way out of it.
Holy fuck you're dense, the point was that this is a hypothetical where the cash shop doesn't exist.
In that hypothetical, you wouldn't be able to buy your way out of it, just like most games with an unlocking system.Plus, you can't "buy your way out of it". It's RNG. Someone who spends $140 on slots over someone who only spent $40 on slots isn't guaranteed to win something the $40 guy didn't.
>>340364524
Let me just keep my $2 bills for 6 months so I can light it on fire once
>>340359741
Not sure what you're on about, I've opened 27 boxes and haven't gotten a single legendary.
>>340357605
dont buy or open them. just show activision pure cosmetic dlc is no good
>>340364524
The money is mine. I don't give a shit about what you think I should throw my money at.
>>340364572
Oh, so you're venting, not actually caring about changing things with your moralizing. Gotcha. Makes sense now.
>>340364309
That's why I don't buy games with microtransactions. But somehow there are more and more games with this cancer.
So you can see how your entire argument is inefficient.
Also we are completely in our right to "whine". Actually, companies would prefer it if everyone disagreeing with these business practices would shut up and never speak up.
>>340364487
>doesn't make it go away from the game
Why does it have to go away from the game? Because you don't like it?
>>340364572
Voting with your wallet works
Just because your side didn't won doesn't mean it doesn't works
>>340364692
Just saying my dude. You still get to see something cool, and you get to survive the harsh cold. It's objectively better than a skin, why not try it?
>>340364487
not the guy you called an autist, but
>bitching about microtransactions on /v/ will make it go away
hue
maybe you should be a game activist or journalist on youtube bbycakes.
>>340364678
Pity timer is actually 25.
10 is just the average
Alright you blizzdrones, why loot boxes?
Why not just have a cash shop so you can buy what skin you want, instead of making people gamble for it?
>>340360330
Better than BattleBorn's
>>340364724
And why does it have to be in game?
>>340364740
See >>340364039
I'll wait for a proper counter argument on that.
>>340364156
>First, it's not a progression if you can buy your way out of it.
You can't actually buy your way out of it since it is still random.
>>340364342
This is unfortunately true. However, I would like to think that finishing a game is a reasonable task. If you can't finish a modern game that most likely means you couldn't bother to put in 10-20 hours. If I define finishing Overwatch as getting a single skin that I want, it may or may not take significantly longer than the average game. Someone who bought hundreds of these things needs to at least do some good and figure out the probability and at what level you would have a 50% chance of getting any one specific skin.
>>340364783
I don't agree with you and I don't have to justify to you. I like skins and I bought enough loot boxes to get all the skins I want from the start.
>>340364895
Because it makes blizzard money.
>>340364941
I just want you to admit that you benefit more from lighting your money on fire than buying a skin, that's all. You can buy all the loot crates you want, not saying you shouldn't.
>>340364786
Nah, it won't go away. But at least I can see how many retards are readily accepting the monetization of every last bit of games.
Speaking of
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745225046#detail
>>340365019
Which isn't that much relevant when the issue happens to be "is this an acceptable way for Blizzard to make money?"
>>340364895
Why does anything have to be in any game?
Because the devs decided on it.
>>340364917
I can't argue with that, i changed my mind and agree with you
>>340364487
Don't know how you can call someone an autist whilst simultaneously complaining about optional payments to be dress-up dolly costumes for tracer and friends.
Hell, you seem incapable of understanding that just because you hate something, it doesn't mean that everyone else hates it. That's like one of the hallmarks or autism. The irony.
>>340358297
>>340358331
>>340358395
because you used to be able to unlock all content in a game quite easily after you bought it. even CoD gives you cosmetic items for free; and they're a cash-vacuum franchise.
>>340365094
The parts that don't matter are the parts I don't care about.
I don't accept or support microtransactions that affect gameplay.
>>340364928
You can, because you still get 1/5th of value. Thus at some point you'd buy everything.
But don't worry. There are plenty more cosmetics in the pipe-line. Much more than actual maps or heroes.
>>340365036
Unfortunately, I still think that buying skins is more enjoyable than burning my money.
Is Overwatch worth it if none of my friends play it? I'd mostly be playing by myself.
>>340365207
And you can. Each level up rewards you with a chest with chances to unlock 5 items.
You can also gain currency to buy items.
>>340365207
Just like overwatch
>>340365019
Oh, look, it's the Burgerland logic again.
Just because something makes money for someone is not a justification of anything. Unless you are some kind of an anarcho-capitalist American.
>>340364786
>literally saying the same thing he discarded
If money doesnt reason with the jew, reason wont reason with the jew goym
>>340365094
Would you also complain if a game gave you the option to pay 5 bucks to skip a level?
i'm not OK with it, OP
>it's purely cosmetic
i don't understand this mindset. if this had been a full-priced game in the previous generation then people would have been freaking out about it. remember horse armour?
so many games do it now that it's just considered normal. fucking sickening that people will pay for this casual MOBAFPS garbage
>>340357605
Because they arent maps or heroes. They're just skins, sprays, and player icons. And you can earn them without even paying anyway.
You literally have to be Autistic to be this irritated by it.
>>340365402
I wouldn't, because I wouldn't want to spend $5 to skip a level
>>340365217
If it didn't matter then they wouldn't put a price tag on it.
>>340365168
Well... that was unexpected.
>>340365491
The world has gone fucking crazy right?
>>340365476
It doesn't matter mechanically from a gameplay perspective. It doesn't matter in any way. It has no effect on anything other than your epeen.
>>340365476
It matters to some people. It doesn't matter to me, and I can't be made mad about it because other people are.
>>340365402
Yes. Because I don't trust any company to make leveling good if I can buy my way out of it. Just like I don't trust Blizzard on current issue.
>>340365379
Are you retarded? The purpose of a business is to make as much money as possible. Overwatch is a product designed to make money. If people didn't like paying for crates, then blizzard wouldn't make money. It's all about optimising what you can get away with charging for. Just because some salty faggot on the Internet is mad he can't get his favourite skin, do you really think that blizzard is going to forgo making a bajillion dollars off people who don't mind paying a couple of bucks for some random cosmetics every now and then?
It's pretty bad, honestly. I don't like it. If I had any control at all over what characters I got items for, etc, then I wouldn't mind, but since it's just completely random and there's so much shit I don't want, it's just annoying. It's also fucking ridiculous how tiny the amount of credits you get is. I feel like I can't spend that shit because you get so little of it. You should get at least fucking 10 or so per game, like, shit.
It's stupid and I hate it, but it also really affects nothing. Besides, you barely see your character anyways, who gives a shit about these skins?
>>340357605
Each level up gives you one for free, everything is cosmetic and doesn't affect gameplay at all or gives any advantage over other players. They sell them for people who want a cosmetic quicker, but even then it's random. There's nothing wrong with it if you can unlock it yourself by playing.
>>340365578
But then why couldn't it have that content been sold, instead of put behind a bingo payroll?
>>340365578
It does matter. Psychology, enjoyment, desire. All important aspects. You may deny that those do not affect you, but you'd be lying.
>>340357605
Because people who play shitty games like overwatch literally cannot stop sucking cock.
>>340365324
>>340365350
in overwatch, you get 4 items at random, and currency is one of those. and it's a paltry sum at that.
unlike in other games, there is no way you can work hard to get the skin/emote/spray/pose that you want. you have to rely solely on the depth of your pockets or the favor of the random number generator.
>>340365832
Literal psychology masters student here and you're a huge faggot. Just letting you know.
I'm able to unlock all that shit ez and its cosmetics
>>340365978
i'm so sorry
>>340365832
>projecting this hard
Is it seriously this difficult for you to understand that some people just don't care about cosmetics?
I don't give a shit if your character is solid gold if you play like a retard. I get more enjoyment from a solid team and good opponents than different coloration.
>>340357605
They aren't because
It's not forced
Cosmetics only
Free maps and heroes
Can earn in game money slowly to buy something specific.
If there's no avoiding MCs in modern games, this is the best possible version of it.
>>340365978
I'm a psychology professor and you have no idea what you're talking about
>>340366051
don't apologize he's an idiot
>>340366117
It's the exact opposite, actually. This is the worst possible option because dumb fucks like yourself will actually support and justify it.
>>340365274
it's still pretty fun solo, but it also can become tiresome cus you end up feeling like you gotta fill roles instead of playing who you want where in a party you usually can pick whoever you are really good at or whoever you want to try out and other people will fill in the other roles. Another advantage though is you are constantly able to switch heroes which makes having to have a great team comp at first not as important as other games.
In solo most of the time it's just a sense of working together and it either clicks or it doesn't, and many game feel like stomps one way or the other. Many are also settled in overtime which can be very exciting and absolutely infuriating.
If you want a new multiplayer game it's pretty great.
>>340358827
>>340363934
>>340365207
But if the only reason you're playing the game is because you want cosmetics (in a fucking FIRST PERSON shooter) and not because you like the gameplay, doesn't that make YOU retarded?
>>340365832
I saw that "buy now" button when opening my first loot box, thought it was disgusting and never looked at it further.
The levelling system does a good enough job of exploiting that psychological shit on its own, and makes me feel like I've actually been rewarded. Something that I can't imagine buying a box would do.
There's no way to defend this.
I refuse to buy any. Getting one per level is enough anyway.
What's truly inexcusable is the fact that the skins are basically color swaps, and that loot boxes are the only way to get anything.
>>340366458
that's not entirely true, there are (at least) 3 unique models for the 10 skins per character.
I think some of the characters have pre-order only skins or something
>>340366301
If it means free dlc and everything can be earned in game without paying a buck, yeah.
>>340366859
there better be free DLC. there is only one unique game mode (standing on an objective that's either moving/standing still is one game mode), and a handful of maps.
>>340366098
And is it that diffcult to understand that time and money spent on developing cosmetics would be better spent on making the game better? Is it that difficult to understand that when cosmetics make you more money than the game sales itself then companies priorities are now to sell cosmetics and not to make a good game?
People like you can't see past their own nose and then you'll come and complain why gaming is so shit nowadays.
Everyone shut the fuck up Hiro is here. Look natural.
I don't understand why people are offended.
If dollar slot machines existed that rewarded halloween costumes and spray paint stensils, would you be tempted to pull the lever? I sure as hell wouldn't. But I understand that some people would be, and I wouldn't try and stop them. It's their life, it's their money, it's their self control. It's not my concern.
I don't see how this is any different from something dumb like that.
>>340361032
>>340364795
honestly, I am happy that it is random. if the game just gave you currency to buy skins, every one would have legendaries. every player would have the rare victory animations and it wouldn't be cool anymore. this way it feels special to get that legendary costume.
>>340365952
>there is no way you can work hard to get the skin/emote/spray/pose that you want
you can save up the coins and buy them. It takes a while but by level 50 you will have enough to buy a legendary skin as well as a few emotes/sprays/poses and in the meantime will have unlocked other legendary skins as well as other things.
It will take a very very long time to get everything though, in fact it might be impossible without buying a lot of crates. If you are a completionist the game will be a grinding nightmare (items can repeat and you just get a 10 percent refund on them) but if you can settle with having just a few legendaries (one for your main and the rest that you got from chests) it's perfectly doable without buying a shit ton of chests.
>>340366301
You can justify something without supporting it
>>340367301
>this way it feels special to get that legendary costume.
Not when you can spend a few hundred bucks.
>>340362894
you get loot boxes every time you level up, and leveling up is quite fast in overwatch, ive gotten something like 9 legendary skins and im level 43
>>340357605
For every one person (like myself) who is against this, 5 people are supportive of it, buy it, and refute your logic with their retarded opinions.
Remember, it's okay when blizzard does it.
Already spent $30 and will spend more.
I kind of understand why people dont like them but i have no issue with it.
>>340366383
You misrepresenting the case. Those people *want* to play the game. But they *also* want the cosmetics.
Now the cosmetics have been put behind a payment scheme that is tailored a skinner box with randomized results, that is structure specifically built to make people pay for those cosmetics they want in spite of themselves... with no guaranty they will have what they want, making further payment likely until satified or completely disgusted by the outcome.
Those practices are predatory in nature. Other payment schemes could have chosen: direct ale of the cosmetics. Subsciption model. Both would have been fairer.
The money gathered is supposedly meant to support for new maps while preventing the fragmentation of the community that DLC schemes create.
What this tells us first is that: the market value of the created content is either worth far less than its creation value, or Blizzard wants to abuse the people who pay by making them pay more than the actual complete value while they only want a fraction of it.
The part of the community that does not pay has no problem sanctioning those practices as long as it allows them to get their maps for free.
>>340358758
If you don't want to play the game, why would you want cosmetics anyway?
You sound like an American, desperately ignorant, illogical and deeply proud of your own stupidity.
>>340365207
They have to have some form of revenue coming in if they're going to develop new maps/heroes for free. If it were any other developer this kind of model wouldn't sustain them but since it's Blizzard they have the benefit of having it work.
>>340357605
Because most of us have a fragment of impulse control.
>>340357605
its
just
cosmetics
holy
shit
who
cares
TF2 did this like 9 years ago
>>340367704
I see your point but
It's a fun video game and none of this affects my enjoyment of the gameplay
>>340357605
h-help
how do i stop
>>340368023
No it didn't. It did this like 5 years ago.
The first year or two, it had no cosmetics, then they didn't add a cash shop until a year or two after they added the first hats
>>340367704
>let people throw their money away on useless shit
>smart people get free content updates
worked for tf2
>>340367704
it's literally steam cards, creating an economy for something that doesn't matter at all while a certain few will get really into it, spending thousands of dollars on while most people don't give a shit.
let idiots waste their money on cosmetics so you can enjoy (or not) the gameplay and stop being an autist for caring about what clothes you're wearing
>>340368049
>buying 10 $2 ones
>not 1 $20 one
not only did you get ripped off, but you ripped yourself off on top of that.
>>340368049
Punish yourself by buying us a steam game
You won't do it again at the risk of gifting us expensive shit
>>340367704
>Other payment schemes could have chosen: direct ale of the cosmetics. Subsciption model. Both would have been fairer.
Neither of those options would turn a bigger profit than the current model, which a business is gonna want to do
>>340367704
I mean I used to play CS:GO and honestly Blizzard's system is a lot less jewy than Valve's. That said, I will always despise microtransactions.
>>340367281
>Go to my favourite arcade
>They got a dollar slot machine, but that's okay because I'm not going to spend money on it, and it doesn't bother me that other people will spend ridiculous amounts of money on it so the arcade gets more revenue from that instead of the real games.
>Later
>Wooooow, my favourite arcade is now a casino, what the fuck happened?
>Guess I'll go to another arcade.
>Oh wait, they're a casino now too because they saw how much money arcade 1 was making.
It's pretty different anon.
>>340367704
You are correct
And there is nothing wrong with it because we get free maps
>>340368497
>muh slippery slope fallacy
>>340368497
>game comes out
>theres zero gameplay and just a cash shop for cosmetics
am i following your analogy right?
I feel like people who buy these are supreme idiots.
You get one free loot crate every time you level up. You get one of these for free roughly every hour you play.
People who buy them are just impatient.
Having things to unlock makes me feel like I'm working towards something. Buying loot boxes is just paying to unlock things you'd get eventually anyway if you kept playing.
>>340368237
I don't like Steam Cards either. And certainly think the EU is going to need to do some legislation on the matter sooner than later on those gambling scheme that don't get taxed and regulated as such.
In the specific case of Steam cards, this is a meta market. The games themselves are left intact. You don't pay for a game to then be exposed to a gambling scheme. The survival of the games is not made co-dependent on the success of the scheme.Which I think makes a significant difference.
>>340368632
Slippery slopes are sometimes real, sometimes not
"muh slippery slopes are always a fallacy" is the real fallacy here
>>340368724
>It's pretty different anon
His point was that the two aren't as comparable as posts like yours try to make them sound
>>340368734
And that's more power to you anon, i wouldn't hesitate to say you are better then me as i spent money on lootboxes and will spend more since i like opening them and getting skins.
>>340368237
>>340368815
Also, while I'm at it, I'm not personally interested in cosmetics. I am though interested in seeing putrid economical practices thwarted.
>>340368632
We are already going down the slope. It only counts as a fallacy if you are still at the top of the slope.
>>340368815
>to then be exposed to a gambling scheme.
>my heart can't take being exposed to temptation!
holy fuck learn some self control
>>340368940
But you'd GET the boxes anyway. That's what I don't understand. Play the game for a week, save up a bunch of loot boxes, then open them all at once for that feeling of unboxing a ton of stuff.
I mean it's your money, but I've managed to get 4 legendary skins without buying a single crate just by playing the game.
>>340363042
Battleborn lets you unlock every piece of gear skin and taunts by playing the character enough
See how well that worked?
>>340369193
Im level 83, i have had plenty of loot boxes but it does feel nice to open them, its made that way for a reason, The flashy effects, the cool sounds and the final reveal.
Pandora's Box has already been opened, OP.
People have consistently proven they will give a company money to not have to play a video game that they purchased.
This is going to poison video games beyond repair for the foreseeable future. It won't even start to get better until every one of these mother fuckers gives up video games or cuts this shit out. There's nothing any of us can do about it as long as we share the same hobby as people who have more money than patience.
>>340369209
So does Overwatch. We are getting these things for free. His argument makes no sense.
>>340369209
I haven't played it, so I am not sure if you are trying to be sarcastic. Unlocking things for a character by playing that character does sound like it would work well.
>>340368439
And which a social body might want to regulate if it's deemed unacceptable.
>>340368546
You get 'free' maps which other people paid for. Specifically because of an abusive payment structure.
So yeah, you don't care as long as *you* don't pay... my point.
>>340369608
Why should I care how someone else is choosing to spend their money?
>>340368450
that's just untrue, the act of being able to trade and sell cases and drops on the market makes cs go the more consumer friendly. you might say it's more jewy since they get a cut of the market transactions but i'd still prefer valves system vastly.
>>340357605
>Why people are okay with this
I don't understand it either.
Overwatch is a dead game, thanks to the Cash Shop. No virtual skin is worth anything
>>340357605
Because consumers have free will and they should be allowed to make their own choices.
>>340369549
I'm not talking just about Overwatch. Videogames as a whole have gone down hill in regards to DLC and are continuing to get worse. You don't get to personally draw the line. The line is drawn by the consumer base as a whole and that line is a downward slope.
>>340369608
>you don't care as long as *you* don't pay
more like I don't care if stupid people *do* pay, because if the map packs weren't free, I wouldn't buy them. But as it stands now I'm getting a free ride from retards that bought a digital hat. Which in my opinion is pretty fuckin sweet.
>>340369776
You shouldn't. It's how companies are making it that should be the problem.
But here you're not caring because your complicit in the process. And beneficiary.
>>340370054
You're making it out like companies are this predatory boogeyman. You realize video games are a leisure activity and people aren't being robbed of life and liberty over this shit, right?
They're just cosmetics
/thread
>>340370054
>I shouldn't care how other people are spending money
>but I should care how companies are making money
Anon, those are contradictory statements.
How people spend their money and how companies make their money are the same thing.
>>340370054
>It's how companies are making it that should be the problem.
Were they using some sort of coercion, e.g., slave labor, or forcing people against their will?
If "no", then it's just basically "I don't like it, so no one else can like it"
>>340357605
Because it's just dumb cosmetic shit.
If it was characters or weapons that give you an upper hand over the other players then I would have a problem with it.
>>340370054
If we benefit from the system then what's your complaint?
>>340370449
>"it makes me feel dirty"
I think that's basically it
>>340369838
Hmm. I dunno, man. A lot of the cases are out of the current drop pool and you have to use Valve's paranoia-driven two step authentication system to be able to use the market in a fluid manner.
>>340358696
>thinks all the new map and heroes will be free
Guess what? Skins are "free" too.
>>340369479
You can't easily unlock things in Overwatch. My argument is that older games has set criteria for unlocks. If you wanted to unlock something, you did whatever task you needed to do to unlock it. Having to grind to level 200 is not the same thing (Realistically probably 90 with coins based on my current rate, but that is still for a single skin).
pros
>extra revenue could lead to supporting the game longer
>all extra characters and maps are free
>shortcut for normies
cons
>probably why it takes ~6-8 matches to unlock a box yourself
>it's tempting
>>340370339
>Anon, those are contradictory statements.
Only if you accept that the process is perfectly symmetrical in its reciprocity, which isn't the case at all.
>>340370979
100% this
why does everyone have to put on their tin foil hats every time a BUSINESS wants to make MONEY
>>340370449
Why should I be against a system that is meant to abuse other people if I benefit from it? Is that really your question?
>>340370996
Other consumers aren't the only way an entertainment company makes money, no. But they are the primary means of making that money. Such a company wouldn't exist for very long if consumers weren't buying from them.
>>340370947
>You can't easily unlock things in Overwatch.
You really can.
>Having to grind to level 200 is not the same thing (Realistically probably 90 with coins based on my current rate, but that is still for a single skin).
Try, like, 30, if there's a skin your dick's particularly hard for. It's literally the diablo model. You get random shit, but if you play for a bit you can easily trade for whatever you want. I get that you like achievements better than this system, but it's really not worth getting wound up over.
>>340371182
Who in the world is being abused?
>>340371182
>meant to abuse other people
>>"hey kid you know that thing you like?"
>>"well you can get more if you spend more money"
>this is "abuse" according to /v/
>>340370567
yea that adds value to them which im fine with and yea the two step shit is annoying but again i like it better because its a system where if i get something i dont want or if i want to i can sell an item and either work my way up to a better skin or a new game as opposed to overwatches system. take for example if you buy 1 case in both games, if you get a really lucky in overwatch you got a really nice skin but if you get one in cs go you can sell it and buy a new game or a bunch of skins.
DLC practices are a plague on the industry. We tried it and now we've realized it has only ruined games rather than help them. DLC should be banned unless it gives a quantifiable new addition to the game equal to that of a sequel of sorts.
Cosmetics is still content. No Mercy is a good example of this. You had to unlock cosmetics in game by earning money and playing through the various modes in the game. Now companies have regulated that to purchasing instead. So to get that secret character or move or cosmetic, you have to shell out cash. They took advantage that 'cosmetics arent important" mindset most consumers have cause they think it doesnt affect gameplay, but what am I going to do when I really want that American flag shirt for my custom character and the only way to get it is to shell out a few bucks. This works wonders, too, cause it artifically inflates the lifetime price of the game. So what you paid 60 for becomes 80 and higher.
Microtransactions was a mistake and it's a shame that the industry is ruined by those who enable it, aka those who aren't educated enough or have enough willpower to stop themselves from paying another $1 for that special item.
>>340371704
>what am I going to do when I really want that American flag shirt for my custom character and the only way to get it is to shell out a few bucks
get fucked for being a cosmetic craving whore
>>340371540
It seems like our desires are in two different places, then. Because while I'm technically defending Blizzard in this argument I still really fucking hate microtransactions
>lvl 90
>have my 6 favourite skins for the chars i routinely switch between
>am just pooling cash I won't spend now
>people are still whining about loot boxes like they're essential
You will have everything you need by the time you reach your first prestige, by the second prestige you'll have basically everything to offer, such was the case in closed beta
>>340371704
>DLC should be banned
>"hey we tried this new thing that didn't take much effort and a looooot of people gave us money for it!"
>"stop it"
B U S I N E S S
>>340371704
Explain to me how cosmetic DLC negatively affects anyone or anything.
>>340371463
>Who in the world is being abused?
Have you read the thread?
Let's pick this one >>340367704
Now, you may not agree, but asking me, who do think that, why I care as long as I benefit? That's asking me why I should be against a system that is meant to abuse other people if I benefit from it...
Which is... wow...
>>340371463
I'm already 27 and the things I would want are still a long way off based on luck or coins. This is even considering I am not a fan of the 1000 coin skins for most of the characters I like to use. You can get things easy, but you can't get specific things you want easily.
>>340371961
I just fucking did
>want a certain shirt to put on my custom wrestling character
>I cant cause I have to pay additional money for it
Do you think the VGCW videos would be any more fun if the person behind them had to shell out hundreds of bucks for the many costumes in that game?
>>340371854
i hate em too, i just think valves is a slightly better system since you can gain from it as opposed to blizzards.
>>340371535
>You know that thing you want?
>Well if you give us X money, we'll give you a *chance* to have it.
You know what? Ok I'll Accept Blizzard doing if it gets to pay taxes for gambling and has to front-load the same heavy regulations.
Among which of course no sale to minors.
>>340371929
but I can't have EVERYTHING so it's SHIT
>>340364928
>>340372008
again
>abuse
it's fucking fake crates in a VIDEO GAME
fuck off, people want costumes for their video game and they're willing to pay a lot of money for it and I'm not. There's no abuse here, stop championing a non-existent cause.
>>340372320
other guy's post was better
"that thing you like" = boxes
"you can get more" = more boxes
>>340372320
So write a letter to your congressman. Complaining about it on /v/ isn't going to change anything
>>340372271
>have to
But that's fucking wrong, you get them by leveling. You're getting mad that you have to play a video game more to get stuff you want.
>>340372008
>when people buy things I don't like, it's because they're weak willed sheeple
Anyone ever tell you you're a cunt?
>>340372271
>it's unfair because i don't get things i want for free
That's what this is about, isn't it? You're all upset because you've decided that there exists a particular class of product you shouldn't have to pay for.
Well tough shit. Some fucks made some shitty product and are asking money for it. If you don't like it, then do what you do with every other product you don't like: skip it. If you do like it, then get a job.
>>340372578
>There's no abuse here, stop championing a non-existent cause.
Yeah, no those practices are not tailor made to prey on certain people. It's not as if we had the documentation on the subject.
>>340357605
>random, meaning you just can't buy all the shit you want
>can acquire the same amount of shit by just playing
>can acquire more legendaries by just playing if you're lucky
>>340372806
>You're all upset because you've decided that there exists a particular class of product you shouldn't have to pay for.
I already bought the game. So fuck off with this shit.
>>340372773
He's talking about cosmetic DLC in general, and in that post is talking about a wrestling game that puts specific costumes behind a paywall like DoA does
>>340372431
I only want a few things. One person got lucky doesn't mean anything.
>>340372954
So you shouldn't have to pay for the cosmetics. I get it. You're just a poorfag mad about some fucking digital baubles.
>>340372880
unless those "certain people" are people with a mental illness that literally makes them spend money on overwatch crates rather than buy food for themselves or pay rent, I still don't see your point
>>340371948
>I want more skinner's box shit that takes no effort to make in my games because it's more profitable than good content
How to spot the faggot
>>340357605
People who are upset about optional cosmetics having the option of being paid for are autistic.
>>340373145
>good content was replaced by cosmetics
how to spot the retard
>>340357605
Just read this thread.
There are people, posting right now on /v/, that defend this shit. They're all for shortcuts in video games, they don't like difficulty, they don't give a shit about their parents' money. People that jumped on the video game train during mid-90's and early 00's - they don't understand how the industry works and how their "it doesn't affect me so why should I care" attitude is encouraging publishers to come up with shitty ideas like Day 1 DLCs and distribution exclusive content.
This is the state we're in.
We're fucked.
Because it takes 3 or so games of about 5 minutes each to get a box.
So any of the lower boxes aren't worth it.
If you buy 50 boxes, you're a fucking retard who just spent $50 on cosmetics you earn by playing.
If there wasn't a coin system that let you choose which specific skins you want for free, then it would be bullshit.
But there is a coin system, and furthermore the cash shop is hidden pretty well instead of advertised all over the launch screen.
>>340372880
>>340373095
His point is that selling tchotchkes is predatory. We should burn airports to the ground for supporting the souvenir industry. Rise above and fight the system, you pathetic sheeple.
>>340372806
>Anyone ever tell you you're a cunt?
Happens. Preceded by the word opinionated.
That being said, coming from a piece of shit like you (*you* certainly aren't a cunt, you have neither the depth, nor the pleasure-giving that would make you deserving of the name) that didn't extend the courtesy of trying to understand my position, and totally misrepresented my argument? I'll take that as a compliment
>>340373261
>coin system
Nigga you have a chance to get coins. That makes it even worse.
>>340373260
>Shortcuts in videogames
You do realize that everything is cosmetic, right?
I'm not a fan of the buying loot shit but its not like its P2W. Its fucking skins and voice lines and tags.
>>340373281
Being a freshman isn't a position. It's a condition. The good news is that you'll likely grow out of it.
>>340373369
yeah but you can get up to 250 from any box and you get them if you happen to get duplicates.
It takes a long ass time to get legenedaries (that you want, they drop like crazy for classes you don't play) but "that one legendary skin" is pretty much all there is to work towards.
So just have fun playing the actual game.
>>340373210
Then the whole world must be autistic including you. Cosmetics defines you. Or did you think that getting your favorite colored shirt or shoes is considered optional too?
>>340373413
Do you understand how much a cosmetic can motivate someone to grind in a game? The motivation is gone the moment you let other people with more money just buy it.
what's there to be upset about? it's just a faster way for people with more money than patience to get pretty costumes which have no affect on gameplay
>>340373042
>buy the game
>BOOOHOOO YOU'RE A POORFAG
Are you retarded, anon?
>>340373445
Whereas being an idiot is for life. You'll never outgrow it.
>>340373553
since when are material objects only digital?
It's a first person game, it's not like i see my skin outside of replays
>>340373260
It's cosmetics you nerd.
>>340373538
It took me ten boxes to get 50 coins. 50 fucking coins. 1000 / 50 = 200. If I get an average of 50 coins per ten boxes...it would take me over 2000 boxes to get enough for one 1K skin. This is assuming I give no money to Blizzard.
>>340373413
The entirety of Guild Wars 1 end-game content was cosmetics. People will go to insane length to get good-looking items.
>>340373561
>Do you understand how much a cosmetic can motivate someone to grind in a game?
And this is a good thing because...?
>>340373692
You're saying that it's bad that people want cosmetics and yet forgetting that every person wants to make their own identity in any game. Choosing your in game icon is an example of cosmetics.
Actually I hate the world cosmetics. let's call it customization options so you can be redpilled to see what it really means.
>>340373782
You're a retard. I'm done with talking to you.
>>340373751
>If I get an average of 50 coins per ten boxes...it would take me over 2000 boxes to get enough for one 1K skin.
Then it's a good thing the average is much higher than that.
>>340373561
Lol, first you were whining about this being a shortcut for people that don't like difficulty. Now it's about motivation for fucking cosmetics. You're such a moron.
>>340373751
>it would take me over 2000 boxes to get enough for one 1K skin
it took me up until level 35 to save up 710 coins.
35 boxes because 1 box per level.
You could argue I'm lucky, but I know people who were able to buy a 1000 skin by an even lower level.
You're only level 10, they would need to drop 100 coins per box guaranteed for you to have enough by that stage, basically you see the cool kids running around in their gay skins and you're now frustrated by it.
Basically MMORPG syndrome.
>>340373261
>If you buy 50 boxes, you're a fucking retard who just spent $50 on cosmetics you earn by playing.
But I don't have the time to grind all 50 boxes if I play on weekends only, it would take a couple of months.
Instead, I could trade a few hours of work to purchase 50 lootboxes, and I have more skins than you in the first month.
>>340358431
Except that what you receive from a csgo case is actually worth something - ie you can put it back on the market. Where is the in-game economy in Overwatch? Can you buy and re-sell the contents of these, or are you literally flushing your money away on pixels?
>>340374094
No. You're retarded. Spending money on things you want is retarded. Retard.
>>340373941
The average is not higher than that. Here's what happens: the coins you get from duplicates, assuming you luckout and get a duplicate, are less than 10 coins. The more items you get, the more chance you get at getting a cash out of duplication coins. This is where it becomes fun for Blizzard. Not only are there over a hundre different things to get, sprays are also delegated to each character specifically. Normally, you would think Blizz would just make it so sprays are universal, but they don't. That's the beauty of it: it's all just filler to make getting content harder.
I mean I dont know why you cant understand this, but I guess it makes sense since it's meant to work off you guys being ignorant.
>create a scarcity
>create an option to get said content
>fake "free items" by making it harder to obtain said items and increasing the time it takes to get said content
>work psychology on the player's impatience to make them shell out money for the boxes
And guess what? It worked. Blizz likely made bank on the first day.
>>340374216
>Can you buy and re-sell the contents of these, or are you literally flushing your money away on pixels?
No, but then again I don't really feel the need to manage nerd paraphernalia for chump change. How's your Amiibo collection going?
>>340373861
>every person wants to make their own identity in any game.
what, no.
it's a shitty team game where you play with randoms going to a point and pressing Q to be the cool guy for 5 seconds.
Why the fuck would you want to "create an identity"?
Are you autistic?
How does unlocking the same skin 2 people in the same match already have somehow creating an identity?
>redpilled
it's like you want yourself to look retarded.
>>340374058
It is luck. That's the fucking point of any rng mechanic. It's not even frustration. it's that microtransactions are shit.
>>340374308
>The average is not higher than that.
Factually wrong.
>the coins you get from duplicates, assuming you luckout and get a duplicate, are less than 10 coins.
I bet you're going to feel super silly when you learn that there are different coin rewards at different loot tiers.
>>340374360
>what, no.
Yes. Every game you will always run into people with different icons and wearing different skins and having different emotes equipped. It's a statistical fact and human nature. Face it, you're a gullible goyim and activision fucked you in the ass.
>>340358431
Thanks for ruining videogames, you fucking asshole. Make us a favor and end yourself.
>>340374571
>Make us a favor and end yourself.
Why are foreigners so angry?
>>340374561
I know all about loot tiers. Too bad sprays and all the other filler items count as gray tier.
>>340357605
>developer charges 40-60$ for the game AND puts microtransactions in it
>"guys, i swear it's ok to be a greedy jew and not have everything in the game after you bought it!"
>>340374423
microtransactions don't actually immediately unlock what you want though, they just give you more drops.
You said it would take 2000 boxes to get the 1k skin.
But if that was the case, even spending $50 would not get you what you want.
50 boxes is a lot less than 2000.
People who are faglords and bought 50 boxes have said it gives you well more than what you need to buy any skin.
Now this is still RNG, but there's a drop rate and we can assume 50 boxes will get you about 1000 coins as it took me to level 35 to get 710 coins.
Let's assume you're unlucky, it might take you to level 60 to get 1000 coins ready.
That's a shitload less than 2000.
>>340374568
>people have different icons that means they have crafted an identity for themselves and this is really important to the game
you really just hate the idea of playing games for fun, huh?
>>340374948
Customizing my character to run around Saint Row with a dildo weapon is fun.
>>340374659
Well, then I guess you're stupid instead of ignorant. The average coin payout is probably about 20-40 per box, more as you accumulate more shit to duplicate. But I guess the fact that you didn't get super lucky with ten random picks means you know more than the rest of the community.
>>340374713
>and not have everything in the game after you bought it!
so you want to have every skin unlocked from the beginning?
Just admit you want to play dressup and don't actually care about playing the game itself.
>>340373751
Your math is wrong. 1000 / 50 is 20, so it would take you 200 assuming you got 50 coins per 10 boxes.
However, each box is guaranteed to be at worst 3 whites and a blue. This earns you 25 coins if each one is a duplicate, meaning you could get a 1k skin in 40 levels if you had the absolute worst drop rates known to man.
Luckily purples and golds aren't too rare. From experience, golds seem to be at a 3-5% drop rate per chest while purples are a good deal more common.
>>340375064
>oh no you didnt get lucky thats a shame
>just cause you didnt get it doesnt mean it's not a bad thing
The ole self anecdote clause, the lifeblood of corporate shills
>>340357605
Because when done right, they are the best option.
Take a look at Mass Effect 3, the multiplayer was pretty much tacked on, but thanks to the funding of microtransactions it prospered, receiving five, well varied expansions.
Overwatch does one better, any maps will be free, and the price is having to rely on RNG for meaningless cosmetics. The microtransactions don't affect the gameplay in any meaningful way.
Publishers are going to demand profits no matter what, when the choice is between map packs that fracture the playerbase, and microtransactions that trigger idiots, I know what the preferred choice is.
>>340375085
>Just admit you want to play dressup
Have you not been paying attention to online games for over a decade? Oh right, you must have recently became legal enough to post on this site.
>>340362520
Are you one of those people that need trigger warnings so it doesn't induce your "PTSD" that formed from you being socially retarded?
>>340374793
I bought a 50 at just over level ten and wound up over 2k. I'm guessing that 30 boxes is usually enough to garner the currency to buy a single high priced skin with some level of variation.
>>340375251
You started this whole conversation with an anecdote with a demonstrably smaller sample size than any of us have. Dumbass.
>>340375117
>Your math is wrong. 1000 / 50 is 20
I accidentally used the wrong mental trick when I'm doing math by removing the one zero from 5 and not removing just 1 from the 1000 either. I ended up removing two and using 10/5 to come up with 200. What the fuck is wrong with me. I was the best at math. I'm so fucking rusty.
>>340375085
>pay to Blizzard full price for a multiplayer-only game
>the only sense of achievement is a fucking crates which you again have to buy for money or just grind
what is your point? Are you a jew-defender?
>>340375485
>You started this whole conversation
>he thinks he's been talking to one person this entire time
Thats how we can tell when someone's from leddit
>>340375614
Nothing about the conversation chain requires the participants to have been the same, but screeching about reddit is definitely a good way to deflect from a losing position.
>>340375342
I guarantee you're a newfag trying to fit in, not everyone thinks online games is an "identity" like you champ.
>>340374353
Great. Just last week I finished cashing in $3k of csgo skins from over 6 months of skins gambling. Takes a while to sell and you get lower than market value but its pure profit for me and directly to my paypal. How is your casual-as-shit console game going for you?
>>340375783
>caring about losing conversations
Your ledditness continues to show
>>340375935
>$3k
>from over 6 months
Get a job.
>>340358431
same, only poor kiddos who can't raise their allowance complain about not getting their favorite skins.
>>340359213
>IMO everyone should write their representatives and try to get this shit regulated like a real casino.
You know I was just thinking about this recently, arnt random loot boxes the same as gambling, like a slot machine?
>>340375581
it used to be you'd buy a game and then unlock shit with your time.
In MGR:R you buy the game and then earn currency by playing to buy skins for Raiden.
In Overwatch you also have to put in time to get currency to buy skins.
The difference is that fags who can't wait can also pay up front for more drops and therefore more currency.
This is not the same as "not have everything in the game after you bought it!", that would be if you could not unlock the skins without paying money for them.
But what's actually happening is that people are buying complete save files of MGR:R so they can play with the skin they want as soon as possible.
They're paying to play a game less, making them absolute retards.
But the good news is you can play MGR:R and Overwatch and get everything without paying to not play the game.
>>340365207
>even CoD gives you cosmetic items for free
Yes but do they give all upcoming gameplay content like maps/gamemodes for free? No they don't. I prefer its just cosmetics, which you can also get for free since you get a box everytime you level up and the cap is infinite.
>>340376093
The line is blurred because you still get something back, but it's technically no different from a chance machine since you the item the player wants is only controllable by chance. This gets bad when the chance to get said item is entirely controlled by the developer.
if this was brought up in court, Activision would easily use the defense that all items are considered valuable and is only subjective based on each person's tastes. However, because the game actively creates item tiers, this puts this into question the liability of "equal items" and as a result, a prosecutor can claim artificial valuing, which gets closer to that of slot machine.
>>340376043
>Get a job
It's a fucking hobby or pastime, an hour a night money on the side as a small supplement to my income. Ez while it lasts, while it is still unregulated.
>>340376148
>They're paying to play a game less, making them absolute retards.
You forget that enjoyment of a game comes in many flavors. People have been dressing themselves up in different skins for ages in video games. Hell, there was heated debates about which tunic and shield to wear with Link in Ocarina of Time, but of course this is only know to people who aren't millennials
>>340376148
So crates are forcing me to put more time in this game? Cool idea
I know a lot of MMO that have this system, where you have to grind to buy premium stuff from the shop. The only problem, that you don't pay THE FULL FUCKING PRICE for this kind of games.
>>340361819
I think this is where the significant difference between Valve boxes and Overwatch boxes exist: in Valve boxes, there's always a chance of getting something very rare, and something that will stand out obviously amidst everyone else. With Overwatch...you get skins that everyone can just get.
There's no individuality, nothing special, nothing that is really like "wow, I can actually get something amazing in these." Overwatch is like playing a virtual slot machine at the local dive bar - you pay the same amount as the regular slot machine, but with smaller regular payouts, less fanfare, and without the potential of a huge payout from a regular slot machine in a casino.
>>340359291
Multiplayer games are always an excuse to have a game with no content.
No need for AI, no need for a story, no need for cinematics or level design, little needed in the way of voice actors. Churn out a barebones turd, pay the cost of some servers and you're set.
>>340376497
Yes, it is. And then you brought that hobby here to be smug over a couple of dollars so I made fun of you. Are we all caught up?
>>340376963
You're the one playing Overwatch faggot.
>>340377451
>You're the one having fun instead of grinding pixels for a pittance.
I know.
>>340377545
There's no grinding in CS you peasant
>>340371138
>part of a game is shittier than it's competitors.
>it's ok b/c the business just wants to make money
you're a retard
>>340377750
>from over 6 months of skins gambling. Takes a while to sell and you get lower than market value but its pure profit for me and directly to my paypal
>>340357605
every multiplayer game is going to have microtransactions unless you retards STOP FUCKING BUYING THEM
>>340377890
What? You actually think that skins gambling takes place within the game? Ye gods you're a spastic
>>340377892
Sounds win win to me.
>>340378054
You understand that video games postdate the idea of the grind, right? We borrowed the phrase for them. I'm not saying you're playing a JRPG. I'm literally saying you're grinding pixels for a pittance.
I guess it's easy to feel smart when you're so aggressively obtuse.
>>340378251
Can we just agree that south park was right?
>they literally sat in on a freemium meeting and took notes for this episode
>>340378378
It's 2016. I have no idea what this is. Next you're going to be dropping some hot, later Simpsons references on me.
