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>>340355753
Damned the porn is all blurry
>main
Falco
>secondary
Marth
>favorite matchups
Falco/Fox, Marth/Fox
>tech you're working on
being able to land west pressure on shields>favorite complaint about the game from shitposters
I know a bunch of you faggots were shitposting in the CEO thread so you may as well come here
Melee is massively overrated.
Smash Bros is a terrible game to be playing competitively.
Here's a hint: If you have to omit 75% of your fucking game just to make it balanced, MAYBE IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR THAT.
>>340356418
>I know a bunch of you faggots were shitposting in the CEO thread so you may as well come here
You got me
>>340356816
ok, you can leave now.
>>>>>>>/vg/
Go there
WTFox > CEO >>>> Apex
GOML > G3
Evo might suck again
>>340356816
>you don't play the game exactly how I do, therefore you shouldn't play it
one of my very favorites
>>340356963
why would I go to a sm4sh general to discuss a game I don't play?
Who Fox, Falco, Falcon here?
>>340357209
I play Marth but second Samus and Falcon
Spacies are too hard:(
>>340357084
I have faith in the return of PP and yung leff should be there right? Agree with the other rankings tho. Wish I was going to Smash n Splash this weekend since its close.
>>340357084
>GOML>G3
It's honestly too close to decide tbqh
>>340357162
That's not what I mean at all. I mean, it's a game that is very clearly not designed with competitive play in mind, so why use it for that? Why not actually play any of the hundreds of games actually designed with competitive play in mind?
It's like saying "My grain harvester is perfectly fine for Formula 1 racing, after heavy modifications!"
Like, sure, but for all the trouble you need to go through, why not just use an F1 car?
I never understood that about the competitive Smash scene.
>melee is dying in Japan
feels good man
Reminder that as soon as someone with superhuman reflexes picks up the game and is introduced to Yoshi 20EGGSEGGS will be upon us.
>>340357576
>in Japan
lol
Japan hasnt been worth shit in melee since 2007. Their only noteworthy player is AMSA.
A FL weekly gets 4 times the entrants than a big tourney in Japan.
>>340355753
Shine in hell, foxfag.
>>340357576
It does feel good. Chinks always ruin games, just look at Street Fighter
>>340357753
t. floaty main
>>340357578
Nah, 20EGGSEGGS is TAS-level shit. It will literally never happen.
Unless someone devices an special controller, because that shit is not possible on the GCN one.
Would you wear Melee clothing, /v/?
>>340358005
Nah dawg, it just takes someone who can parry every single incoming attack on reaction.
Hell, if you crouch it opens up the parry window to L-cancel length. It's like a fucking walk in the park.
>>340358150
I want to make a tshirt with PPMD's face on it.
>>340358150
I would totally buy that shirt, I have a PPMD sweater though.
>>340357576
Japan has shit taste in vidya. Fuck them.
Amsa is the only good thing to come out of them lately.
>>340356816
>Because the game isn't designed to be competitive, any potential the game gives you to make it competitive should be disregarded
Probably 75% of your brain doesn't work so good luck with that.
>>340357751
aMSa gets his ass kicked plenty in Japan, he does "well" here because of the low matchup knowledge going on.
I will now list legitimate arguments against Melee being seen as a competitive game
first of all, all of your dashes, shines, and cancels are inaccessible to new players, not only because of the high near autistic level of execution to pull off things like pillar shining, but also because the animations are janky and fucked up, clearly showing these things were not intended by the developer
second
rng
peach literally has the ability to pull a stitch that can change the entire match. Why are you okay with random pulls in your fighting game? If you lose to a peach who pulls a stitch, is it not a pervasive thought in your mind that "gee, i probably would have won that had the random number generator not decided to give his character a more powerful throwable item"?
everything about phantom hits
Ice climbers have an infinite grab that in tournaments is allowed to go to 130, more than enough to get a knockout from a C stick which can be done out of the infinite and does not require a reset
and lastly, pic related is marth's grab hitbox
with all of these glitches, exploits, inconsistencies, and nonsensical game design choices for a competitive game, why do you still regard it as competitive?
and keep in mind this is all without even mentioning the fact that literally half of the roster is not viable
>>340355753
ive developed RSI in both hands even tho im just playing against the cpu 2 hours a day
falco if you're wondering
>>340358630
>irst of all, all of your dashes, shines, and cancels are inaccessible to new players, not only because of the high near autistic level of execution to pull off things like pillar shining, but also because the animations are janky and fucked up, clearly showing these things were not intended by the developer
My little 13 year old brother can waveshine and pillar combo.
>peach literally has the ability to pull a stitch that can change the entire match. Why are you okay with random pulls in your fighting game? If you lose to a peach who pulls a stitch, is it not a pervasive thought in your mind that "gee, i probably would have won that had the random number generator not decided to give his character a more powerful throwable item"?
That Stitch can be grabbed out of the air by just pressing A, z-grabbed in the air, can be reflected, and powershielded. People just lose their marbles when one comes out.
>phanthom hits
In any other game a phantom hit would be a miss, in melee you get % for it. It's a plus if nothing.
>Ice climbers have an infinite grab that in tournaments is allowed to go to 130, more than enough to get a knockout from a C stick which can be done out of the infinite and does not require a reset
Unviable without it. Don't get grab or kill nana quick.
>most of the is unviable
Only at high level, and is not an issue.
>>340358585
Well if you were to play the same 30 fucks all year long they would know your gimmicks from the inside out.
>>340359021
this
good job m8
>>340358630
>dashes are inaccessible
>shines are inaccesible
>cancels are inaccesible
Pillaring is hard but there are over 10 viable characters, fagget.
>RNG is bad
That didn't stop CS:GO. Who cares, it's not even a main game mechanic.
>muh WOOBLLING!!!1!
Don't get grabbed, it's actually not that hard against ICs
>fighting games have wonky hitboxes
Stop the presses
>half the roster is viable
Who cares? When 12 characters can be played in hundreds of diferent ways it's not that noticeable.
>>340358585
amsa actually won a tourney very recently, its a 10/10 video lemme find it
>>340358630
this is some new high quality bait, glad you managed to get this guy
>>340359021
Side note, I fucking love the "non-viable roster" meme, none of you shitters/shitposters play anywhere near the level necessary for that to matter even remotely. I've been playing for a year and a half and I still get bopped by mid tiers since player skill is the most important factor at almost all levels.
>>340358630
>people still complain about ICs
Unless the ICs player is a fucking beast, you can beat most ICs with a fucking pocket Ganondorf spamming fair.
STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THOSE WOBBLING SHITS
>>340359021
>Only at high level,
Why is that an argument in favor?
Shouldn't the basic concept that ANY of the cast is unviable at any skill level be an obvious sign of unbalance, and therefore be a sound argument AGAINST that game?
In any good fighting game, it goes the other way, with more characters being viable at higher levels of play, in the hands of more skilled players. In any GREAT fighting game, most if not all the cast is viable at every skill level.
>>340358630
So when are mods finally going to actually delete real bait like this instead of just using the "quality posts" rule as a way to fuck around?
>>340359336
No need, I know exactly which one are you talking about, I watched it live actually.
>>340357531
because it doesn't matter what it was designed for
it's good for competitive play no matter what
>>340359482
There's no fighting game where ALL the cast is viable.
Name one. I dare you. No, I double dare you motherfucker.
>>340359021
1. you did not adress the fact that the animations resulting from these are clearly nonsensical and broken. They are glitches which makes them harder for people who aren't your autistic 13 year old little brother, to understand and execute
2. i dont care if it can be grabbed, i dont care if there was a button to literally reflect it back and make it 5 times its size. the idea is that rng has a role in a competitive game, which it should not. RNG in no way should affect or change how the game is being played. Stitches change the way the game is being played.
3. phantom hits are broken and a poor concept. It is not a plus for the person on the receiving end when the attack looks like it shouldn't have hit you. its a shitty concept.
4. ice climbers could literally be the worst characters in the game and i would feel the same way about this. dont defend a fucking infinite in a fighting game. thats fucking dumb
5. "only at high level play" then its still an issue. you see the same 3 characters in top 8 and thats fucking boring
>>340359617
not to mention that stylistically, nothing else plays remotely close to it
>>340359336
>>340359591
I do want to see it myself, other anon here.
Share please.
>>340359112
Even then Amsa just won a big Jap tournament recently with some funny trash talk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq9ghnaN-mo
3:35
>>340359421
YOU'RE
DEFENDING
AN
ACTUAL
INFINITE
IN
A
FIGHTING GAME
THIS IS WHY PEOPLE WANT MELEE TO DIE
>>340358150
maybe if this was in grey and the design was slightly smaller
>>340359395
>since player skill is the most important factor at almost all levels.
thats why you see so many bowsers in top 8 right?
>>340356816
t. FGCuck
>>340357576
nothing value lost, fuck those Virtua Fighter/pachinko loving grindfucks
>>340359112
Scanty a shit, pham
>>340359868
no need to get butthurt over eskimos, fammo
>>340359770
there are plenty game with RNG factors, why don't you go to complain in those threads? where did Melee touch you? is it because we call it a fighting game? it's fine grandpa
>>340359253
>That didn't stop CS:GO. Who cares, it's not even a main game mechanic.
>this other game is shit too so who cares
also
literally defending an infinite in a fighting game. you are cancer
nice argument
>>340359868
>what is MvC3
>>340359868
>A
>FIGHTING GAME
>Melee is a niche 1v1 action game
>>340359659
Hi.
>>340360130
wew
>>340359770
>insulting a 13 year old just because
Ok, bitch. Any fucking body can load 20XX and practice with hitboxes on. Dumb hitboxes have been a staple of videogames since forever, and still are. Very few games are known for good hitboxes and some are not even popular despite that (lol skullgirls).
So instead of a hit you don't want the freebie %? There are literally Phantom punishes being developed right now, taking the meta to the next level. If it can be exploited, then it will. Melee is about breaking everything.
You don't seem to understand competitive melee at its core. It's freeform, it's open, it's mold-able.
The only limits are your mind and your hands.
Also infinites are shit, familia, but gotta get used to them. Don't like ICs? Exploit their weaknesses.
>>340359789
Here.
twitch tv /godsgarden/v/63829098?t=06h50m28s
If you're on mobile, it's around 06:50 for the set to start
>>340356057
more like it's allfurry
what are your thoughts on a literal autists' opinion /v/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwo_VBSfqWk
>>340359789
Here are the highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq9ghnaN-mo
>>340360130
That's a mean joke, motherfucker.
t. Gief main
>>340360130
>Ken
>>340359770
>he thinks it's a problem for the person being hit by a phantom rather than the person continuing a combo
>he thinks there are only 3 characters in the average top 8
can you at least play the game before shitposting about it? or link a tournament set from the fighting game that you play to show me why I should care about your opinion?
>>340359980
>almost
DJ Nintendo's bowser would body 99% of the people on this board, yourself included
do top tiers stop the game from being fun outside of the highest level? absolutely not
>>340356816
This.
Smash players are not even playing smash, rather an arbitrary subset of it chosen by autists. It is not the way the game was intended to be played by nintendo.
Imagine if suddenly all CS tournament players used only knives and played only on dust.
>>340359868
An infinite in Melee would imply every stock is taken.
>>340359659
Skullgirls
>>340360069
Because i actually like fighting games and living in florida, you are fucking surrounded by autistic melee faggots. Its actually infuriating. I'd like to play street fighter, mortal kombat, killer instinct, any of those or even some anime fighters, but no, my state is overrun with you faggots who are a real life incarnation of twitch chat. The sound of a room filled with your crusty gamecube controllers clacking makes me fucking sick at this point
>>340360586
i guess you're right in that the reset comes from you coming back with another stock
never the less, you can take an entire stock from one lucky grab. cool game
>>340360091
marvel is fucking shit to watch because high level play comes down to who gets the first hit
>>340360569
That's an awful comparison, try again without buzzwords.
>>340360610
So you entered CEO then? looking forward to watching you anon
>>340360569
>Smash players are not even playing smash
Why aren't they? The joke about smash is that you can play the game however you want.
What's this "right way" to play the game?
>>340360209
You want more? I got more.
The new Guilty Gear
Skullgirls
I can reduce it to 85-90% of the cast, and still be way the fuck better off than Melee
USF4
Literally almost any King of Fighters
Ultimate MVC3
Mortal Kombat 9
>>340360214
>
You don't seem to understand competitive melee at its core. It's freeform, it's open, it's mold-able.
The only limits are your mind and your hands.
yeah its so free form that you see different people in top 8 all the time who develop their own metas and- oh wait, you only see the same people in top 8 every year because they've been there for so long and the skill ceiling is unlimited because the game is broken, which means new players barely have a fucking chance of getting anywhere near top 8
>>340360610
Ayy
I live in FL too. You going to CEO, bitch? It's going to be lit as shit. Can't wait for the arcade and watch Melee, SFV, and Mahvel finals.
>>340359770
>same 3 characters in top 8
GOML top 8:
>Leffen Fox
>Mango Falco/Fox
>Hungrybox Jigglypuff
>Lucky Fox
>Armada Peach/Fox
>Westballz Falco/Fox
>n0ne Captain Falcon/Ganondorf
>Shroomed Sheik
7 different characters
Dreamhack Austin top 8:
>Mango Fox/Falco
>Hungrybox Jigglypuff
>Mew2King Marth/Peach
>Wizzrobe Captain Falcon
>Lucky Fox
>SFAT Fox
>Axe Pikachu
>Nintendude Ice Climbers
10 different characters
EGLX top 8:
>Hungrybox Jigglypuff
>Mango Fox/Falco
>Mew2King Marth/Sheik
>MacD Peach
>Axe Pikachu
>Duck Samus
>Fork Ice Climbers
>Leffen Fox
9 different characters
You neither play nor watch Melee, please stop posting.
>>340360610
Sorry but Melee will always be considered the best fighting game, I'm sorry that you don't like it. I kind of know how you feel because I like Dota 2 and a lot more people like LoL but you'll learn to accept it some day.
>>340360772
yes I entered CEO, i'll be competing in ultra
>>340360929
>you only see the same people in top 8
Oh yeah. Can't wait for an American to win EVO at SFV this year.
Oh wait.
>faggots from le ebin fgc meme thread come into melee thread
>get btfo every single post
its like pottery
>>340360793
>Skullgirls
W E W
L A D D Y
But I agree the new GG is pretty good, but have you any experience outside of shitposting on /v/ and on Twitch to Melee? Honest question. Alot of FGC people never give Melee a chance for no reason.
>>340360727
>game has 4 stocks
>ICs can end 1 stock with a grab
>Puff can end 1 stock with a grab
>Fox can end 1 stock with a grab
>Marth can end 1 stock with a grab
It just so happens that ICs have it easier, and that only wins them 25% of the match.
Zangief has combos that do over 50%, which is also a 25% of a match is SFV.
Marvel has Xfactor 100% combos
MK has over 60 to 80% combos
Skullgirls used to have infinites, now they still have over 60% combos
Just stop crying, getting grabbed against ICs is as much of an outplay as a shinespike.
>>340361001
I miss counted Dreamhack but w/e
btw these are characters that were actually played, not only whatever someone says is their main/secondary
>>340360793
>Revelator
>When Elphelt is so broken that the japanese banned her.
Ok.
>>340361001
>fox
>fox
>fox
>falcon
>fox
>fox
>marth
>fox
>fox
>fox
>peach
>fox
>fox
>shiek
>fox
>fox
>fox
>>340356816
Aren't almost all the SFVI stages illegal aswell?
>>340361067
at least you see different people in top 8, im not talking about the winner
>>340361135
if you consider btfo as posting logical arguments then everyone going LOL WHO CARES ABOUT INFINITES IN A COMPETITIVE FIGHTING GAME, JUST DONT GET GRABBED! then yeah, sure got btfo
>>340361026
good luck friendo :^)
I'm sorry you can't appreciate a good game because of the community
>>340357531
>it's a game that is very clearly not designed with competitive play in mind
did you read ANY of Sakurai's interviews?
>implying anything WASN'T intentional
Kill yourself
>>340361498
>Inflitration
>Nuckledu
>Justin Wong
>Tokido
>Daigo
>Momochi
At least 4 of this guys are guaranteed on SFV top 8, if not all of them. Stop shitposting.
>>340361343
>someone presented a list of characters, but I'll just ignore it
advanced shitposting going on here 2bh
>>340361001
GOML top 8
>7 different characters
Dreamhack
>2 new characters, Sheik and Ganondorf not returning
EGLX
>1 new character, Ganondorf still not their
So it's roughly the same 8 or 9, dependent upon if Amsa, Axe, Wizzrobe or Duck are there.
>>340361502
the community is only half of the problem
the other half is the fact that it is an old game with no skill ceiling because its always being broken further, which essentially makes it really REALLY difficult for new players to get into
>>340361498
If you don't think randomnip#387 isn't going to win SFV you're beyond delusional
Have fun listening to his translator at EVO
>>340361956
what im getting at is 75% of that list is fox
ya think maybe he might be a little too good with his shine? think maybe because every major is won by either a fox or hbox's jigglypuff, maybe fox might be a little imbalanced?
>>340361151
Melee was actually my first real experience with a competitive scene.
It really sucked.
I moved on to Street Fighter, first 3S then SSF4, and I never looked back.
The biggest problem with the Melee scene is the same problem with the Magic The Gathering scene.
It's one game that so many people have played for so long that it's flaws stop being flaws, and start being little rituals and banners for camaraderie. When you start Melee for a competitive match, what's the first thing you do? Make sure items are off and the stock/time settings are proper. Of course you do. You've been doing it for decades at this point, so it never occurs to you that there might be something weird about that, and it's something no one playing a game designed with competitive play in mind ever has to think about.
It's a game that people have played so long, and so religiously, that flaws become inherent aspects, and familiarity is mistaken for depth.
>>340360415
Pretty interesting, to be quite honest.
>>340362174
I dunno, I've been playing melee for 1 year and the people and friends I've made have been a blast.
I'm nowhere bear amazing, and the best I can manage is going 2-2 at a local. But holy fuck if it isn't an amazing fun game.
>>340361967
>8 players in top 8
>wahhh its only the same 8-9 characters
Seriously? Kill yourself faggot
This is seriously some 2/10 bait
>>340359021
Pillar combos are the reason why you see soo much of that shitty nigger bird at low level. It's stupid easy to press down b and dair and mix in some waveshines plus second hit upairs to extend a combo especially at low level. Add in lasers and low level Falco is mindless beyond belief.
Fox waveshines aren't hard to pull off either. I had that shit down when I was a 12 year old looking at smashboard/shineblind.
Atleast mention actual hard tech like frame perfect Shine out of shield/waveshine out of shield/shieldrops.
Pillars and waveshines are literally baby tier nowadays.
>tfw we have FGC friends ITT
Thanks guys, you're the homies.
>>340362384
Same, alot of locals are great and I'm sure plenty are shit. You should go to a national or major if you want a real taste of the community
>>340362013
Pretty much everything has been consolidated into guides and most new tech is just extensions of old stuff, but yeah I can see that. Breaking the execution barrier was a pain in the ass though.
I honestly love that about it since I constantly learn new things all the time and that the game is so deep that closing the skill gap between myself and anyone in the top 100 or even platinum on netplay is daunting as fuck.
>>340362664
Only major I've ever gone was CEO, as I live in FL.
What an amazing thrill.
FL is a pretty stacked scene, so I think I'm pretty OK as far as newbies go.
>>340360415
>I actually liked Cosmo before Narcissa
Why god
>>340362174
Creator intent doesn't magically supersede the desires of the end user, especially so when the fact there are options *to begin with* that are explicitly built into the game re: items and stocks.
What you call [weird] is what I would explain as an ongoing attempt to develop a healthy ruleset conducive to the competitive framework players have setup for over a decade on now.
>>340362174
The difference is Magic has changed alot during years because of different rules and new cards spicing up eternal format.Legend rules,damage on the stack,etc. Hell Magic could have died when WoTC thought releasing Affinity in standard was a good idea.
The Melee meta game has changed dramatically aswell. Old school players had pretty awful punish games by today's standards, they have godlike fundamentals to make up for it though. Tech chasing wasn't optimized and tech like shield dropping wasn't being abused for position and extending combos. Hell Fox's are just start to optimize the CG on fastfallers, Shiek's are starting to optimize reaction tech chasing, etc.
Melee before 07 was basically baby tier and the meta game didn't truly start exploding until 2010.
>>340362548
>when I was a 12 year old
fugg, I might actually be good at this game if I knew comp existed at that age. I've been playing a bit less than a year and I just started being able to take games off of gold players on smashladder.
>>340362127
Armada was winning plenty as Peach just 2 or 3 tournaments ago
>>340357531
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawnmower_racing
>>340360130
JUST
>>340360259
>>340360421
Holy fuck just got done watching the Grand Finals.
Rudolph went 2000000% on tilt on that last stock.
I was crying in laughter at the JPN commentator screaming on top of his lungs when the Upsmash was coming.
>>340363437
>"Lawnmowers aren't meant to be raced, it triggers me that you're doing it, why are you doing it?"
>"since it's fun"
>"STOP HAVING FUN"
competitive melee in a nutshell
>>340356963
>sm4shgeneral for melee
lol
>>340363336
Tech skill is easy. The actual hard part about Melee is Mental/Neutral. Your punish game will mature as you get more experience and lab more.
You can literally get to mid level by having a good DD with Fox and knowing how to do basic up throw followups if your neutral is on point.
>>340363686
It's actually the opposite, we have FFA events at my weekly and everyone has a blast. Everyone hates how Melee players play competitively, just look at this thread.
>>340363191
you sound like you don't know our lord and savior blue-colored fox has been #1 on tier lists everywhere since 2001
>>340363686
difference is that you dont go to a racing convention and have to listen to incessant lawnmower fags yelling about mowdashing and grass shining when you're trying to talk about actual racing
>>340363336
Also to add modern melee compared to 04-06 is a completely different beast.
They might aswell not be the same game at this point. Watching any high level sets before 2010 feels like I'm watching mid level players play at a local now.
>>340363895
Except that Melee doesn't go to FGC events, Melee is invited.
If you have a problem go with Mr Wizard, until then, step aside while we take main stage, cuck.
>>340363895
>WAHHH WHY ARE PEOPLE HAVING FUN WITH A VIDEO GAME
Yup, you're autistic.
>>340363895
you have to accept that if you go to an event that consists of many different games, that there's going to be different people who like different games than you and they are going to be talking about the games they like
you sound like a true real 100% autist here
>>340363895
well, I came to this thread to discuss melee and I have to deal with your shitposts, so why are you wasting your time here? Aren't you doing pretty much the same thing faggot?
Hoo hah or chokebox?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB-6oRB4ABo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpSqDL9OkeY
Hit me up with some Jigglypuff tips yo
I need to improve my play
>>340364158
you're invited because there are thousands of you screaming autists
>>340363887
People actually thought Sheik or Marth were the best characters in the game back in the old school days.
Hell Marth and Falco use to dominate Nationals until Fox's stepped their game up.
>>340364278
Have you tried using bair?
>>340364373
And you will take it because you need us to be relevant.
Stay salty
>>340360421
>6:40
Holy shit rudolph got BTFO right THERE
>>340363895
says the guy who went to a melee thread to whine about melee
>>340364257
>Alex19 laying on his bed, laughing in the distance.
>>340364410
yea it works well sometimes
Are there any tourneys going on now or did you guys just wanted to shitpost?
>>340364410
Bair isn't completely safe and you need to have godlike spacing to abuse how Hbox does.
>>340363895
And how is that Melee's fault?
Judging a game because of the fanbase is the most retarded thing you can do
>>340364501
We always discuss the game
For the shitposting you can blame the people in denial about Melee being the best fighting game
>>340364374
I know this, and I was making fun of the fox OP shitposters. Also did you not see that Hax$ interview with his tierlist? too fucking good
>>340364501
It's tuesday so mango might be streaming.
Other than that Wednesday/Fridays/Saturdays are when most locals happen.
>>340364278
Up throw is pretty good I hear
>>340357531
>actually play any of the hundreds of games actually designed with competitive play in mind?
I like speed anon. As a Quake player, is one of the few games that satiate my desire for being fast. SF4 for example, the speed of the inputs isn't well represented on the movement of the characters.
>>340364648
Am I supossed to Up throw every character? Marth and Peach just fly away
Melee is a great spectator sport but I only end up playing SD remix because I'm a Ness main and I like how the other half of the cast becomes more viable.
>>340364729
With peach you shouldn't have problems
With Marth, just gimp, that's it
>>340364729
well, if I had to guess you should start abusing crouching under grabs but it's hard to say without seeing any gameplay
>>340364809
Honestly Melee is boring af to watch unless it's high level play.
Melee is more fun to play since the better you get, the more you can literally express yourself in game.
>>340364278
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuHQ5a8Fy2g
It's not the FGC that really suffers when Meleefags play, it's the rest of us trying to play Melee.
We're all here, having fun knocking eachother out, and then some asshole has to come in, turn off all items, play on a small handful of stages only, and suddenly it's not fun anymore.
If it was any other fighting game, then you can be a salty sammy and go "This guy sucked all the fun out, muh!" and walk away, or you can go "Oh, he's legitimately better than me, maybe I can learn a thing or two".
Like, that option is open to you, regardless of what you're playing or your skill level.
In Melee though, that guy is very nearly playing an entirely separate game.
There's a massive gulf between competitive and casual players in melee, that simply doesn't exist in other competitive fighting games.
>>340364924
Am I the only one who finds watching players around my level pretty entertaining? Idk I just find it interesting.
>>340364963
>the shittiest smashpro is more informative than the most relevant street fighter faggot
>>340365060
Play Brawl or Smash 4 if you want a casual experience, they're better for that.
>>340363876
what exactly is mid level considered?
My tech chases and reads have improved substantially lately but my combo DI is atrocious and I lose stocks way too easily. I've also been trying to work on the defensive side of my game since I get abused against campier players and implementing some simpler smash DIs.
>>340364236
>>340364474
im here because you take up spots at tournaments
instead of keeping in ultra another year, we have your meme game
>>340365243
How exactly is it a meme game? You have plenty of people telling you it's the best fighting game
>>340365226
Making it outta of pools at most monthlies.
>>340365315
i mean of course people in a smash thread will clam its "the best fighting game". they havnt fucking played anything else
queue 2 people saying they played street fighter once
>>340365243
>he picks melee to shitpost about rather than sm4sh or pokken
what did fox do to you anon?
>>340365060
>casual melee
>in 2016
Casual melee died the day brawl came out.
Fuck off with that dumb shit.
>>340365243
As an Ultra player: I'm sorry for this autist.
These threads are cancer. I want underaged Facebookers to leave
No amount of Neptunia, Overwatch, or GG threads even come to close to this shit.
Go away
>>340365315
It's a meme game because he doesn't like it.
>>340365508
they're all problems
smash 4 is boring
melee is autistic
pokken is a fucking joke. Literally "is it my turn to attack now" the game
>>340365559
*BLIP*
*anon gets shinespiked*
20 and a handshake. 2ezy
>>340365505
you haven't played it either
if anything you should be shitposting in a sm4sh thread
>>340365548
you're without a doubt fucking trash and barely understand the game or fighting games in general if melee's persistence in the fgc does not irk you
>>340356816
>>340360569
These are the types of weird semi-emotional rants made by people who feel first then justify later. You dislike smash and then try to rationalize why it's bad, after the fact.
It's been 15 years and this game still drives people into an autistic ragefit.
What's the secret?
>>340365693
Most actual fighting game players don't give a shit about melee.
Most actual melee players don't give a shit about smash4,vice versa.
Most anime fighting game players usually don't give a shit about other fighters,vice versa.
You would know this if you actually went to locals instead of shit posting on /v/ or spewing memes on twitch chat/ r/kappa.
Git gud scrub.
>>340365854
FGC scrubs who need to vent going 0-2 in locals.
Same with Melee kids who make fun of smash 4 while going 0-2 in locals.
Instead of actually practicing the game they like they bitch online.
>>340365908
look
if i lived in california, i would not be in this thread
but living in florida as anything but a melee player is fucking painful. You are surrounded by these smelly autists everywhere you attempt to go for fighting games
go to a website called reddit.com and stay there!
>>340365908
also i did try going to a local and i got blown the fuck out by a fox player glitching all over the fucking stage. The animations dont make fucking sense. Its all broken and it only continues to break more. Its not fucking accessible at all.
>>340366075
Boo-fucking-hoo. I live in FL too.
If I want to play fighting I go to fighting locals.
If I want melee I go to melee locals.
Extremely rarely are events mixed outside of Majors, and even then they tend to happen on different days.
Stop being a bitch.
>>340365825
How does
>You literally have to pretend half the game doesn't exist before it resembles anything even roughly approximating competitively viable
an emotional rant? It's a fact.
Enter a subreddit on reddit called r/ssbm they have really similar threads to this and you will like it much better k byeee
With Fox, is dair->shine the best option every time, or is dair->Jab->etc good or even dair->dtilt->etc? Shine has no startup, but jab has 1 frame startup and dtilt has 6 frames of startup, but is that 1-6 frames enough to drop a combo IRL?
>>340366075
Florida has a decent enough FGC scene that you should be bitching. To be honest anywhere out side of tristate/FL/Cali is shit for the FGC/Smash.
Fighting games are niche as hell.
>>>>/vg/, k?
>>340365395
Fuck. I guess I'll stop shitposting and review some recordings. Any idea where I can get a webm maker to contribute any cool shit I do to these threads?
>>340366365
Depends if your opponent SDI the drill out or not, and if the shine will cause knockdown or not.
On FF is better to jab>usmash
On Floaties get the Dair>Waveshine>Usmash or Shinegrab if Marth etc.
>>340366261
>>340366381
Pretty much this, I have no idea why this guy is having an autistic shitfit about it. I see about 2 similar faces that go to both my Melee/SF locals.
>>340366487
no
>>340366617
only 2***
>>340366365
Depends on stage positioning and percents.
Hell Dair->grab is stupid good if you notice people Smash DI'ing the drill.
Dair->Down Tilt is pretty good against opponents who CC the drill.
>>340366617
why dont you go to /vg/?
>>340365908https://twitter.com/jwonggg/status/689274403469692928
Friendly reminder to all the FGC faggots ITT
>>340366913
Because we only have 1 thread a day which don't even reach close to the bump limit
>>340357531
>Why not actually play any of the hundreds of games actually designed with competitive play in mind?
Because it's a better game than most things that were explicitly designed for competition. Are you aware of what Street Fighter 1 was like, for instance? Nothing else has Smash's freedom of movement that isn't an arena shooter.
You're analogy should be reversed.
>>340366331
It's a very stupid argument that is very poorly thought out. So what if you have to "ignore half the game" to make it competitive. Why does that matter? that is a fact that has absolutely no bearing on the quality of competition that the game can offer when certain rules are used. You don't even need to do anything outside of the game to make it viable, you just play a certain mode that the game offers. Why does it matter that some modes have to be ignored in favor of other modes that offer better competition? Who cares. It's a totally irrelevant fact.
It would be comparable to say "Basketball is a fucking retard sport because you have to ignore half the actions that the human body can do to play it. You can't just run around and hold the ball, you can't punch people in the face, what a stupid fucking game. You have to ignore half of the capabilities of your body to play it." It's a fucking nonsense argument that doesn't mean anything.
You honest to god expect me to believe that you looked at Melee and said "you have to ignore parts of the game to play it competitively, therefore I don't like it." Rather than what actually and very obviously happened in reality, which was that you were a street fighter player before, you looked for 5 seconds at melee and said "that's nintendo babby shit" and then scrambled for any kind of reason you could to justify your EMOTIONAL FEELING that it's a bad game? Your position wasn't concluded from logic, you had a strong bias against nintendo babby shit because you come from traditional fighters, and you ran with that emotion. The "logic" came later. I can tell because the "logic" is retarded, weak, and doesn't follow itself. With logic so shitty, I KNOW that wasn't the true reason you flipped against Melee.
>>340360610
>this same fag who has been hating on melee for 6+ hours
Holy shit dude you seriously haven't killed yourself yet???
>>340356816
>>340360569
Wait...competitive melee isn't what nintendo intended?
Holy shit guys, shut it all down. We were under that impression this whole time. Thankfully you guys came along 15 years later.
>>340357531
yeah let's all play fucking bloodlines champions
you fucking idiot
>tfw no new siIvagunner melee rips in ages
>>340368589
Are you talking shit about BLC?
>>340357531
>using an analogy as an argument
When will these meme die?
>PPMD probably won't attend EVO, and even if he does, chances are slim that he'll make it to top 8.
>>340368705
>That new announcement video that released today
>>340366967
>undisputed top 3 in MvC3 + SF5 Calls smash a fighting game
>FGC faggots still can't accept it
This is some of the funniest shit tbhfam
>>340361373
Yeah, cause street fighter 6 doesn't exist. Can't play on nothing.
>>340369859
I was fucking dying in like 5 seconds after I realized it was a snake pachinko parody
the new album is so fucking good too
I really want some Melty Blood rips so I hope QQQ is monitoring this thread for some reason. That OST could create some extremely high quality rips
>>340360072
what is marvel infinites
>>340358630
>first of all, all of your dashes, shines, and cancels are inaccessible to new players
How does being harder to do make it an argument against Melee being competitive? Stopped reading right there, end yourself retard.
>tfw can drive 14 hours within my own country to get to my nearest scene or drive 12 hours across borders to the nearest other scene
opinions on mh
>>340366075
>it's the same autist who has been hating on Melee for 6+ hours
Please tell me you've considered suicide at least once by now.
>>340364257
>slowly rolls off
>mangos face when
>those airhorns
This tourney was incredible holy shit lel
>>340377690
>This tourney was incredible holy shit lel
It pretty much proves that Leffen is and was the best Melee player currently. It really sucks that his reign was halted by visa issues.
>>340378306
>the best
>loses to every Samus he encounters
>only even go to top 8 at GOML because he poisoned Duck's food
>>340380335
His Samus weakness is laughable, but he beat all the active gods on his way to win GOML without dropping into losers. That's on the level on what Mango did at G3 except he won
>>340368195
Of course no one would respond to this. Fuck off smash haters.
>>340360102
so just like every fighting game
>>340386689
Why is every MH image in the worst possible quality?
>>340388990
I think it's something born from instagram posts, in which people seem to enjoy making screencaps of posts with terribly burnt edges, an insane amount of artifacts, and overall shit quality.
>>340355753
How do I stop being bad?
>>340380335
every time he lost to samus it was when he didn't have top practice for months or a fucking BO3.
and he still won a major and atleast above mang0
>>340356816
But why does it matter what Sakurai wants?
