Games that don't hold up anymore.
>ugly graphics
>easy bossfights
>that stupid part where you're running up the large staircase.
>cheesy VO apart from Snake, Otacon, and Campbell.
>shitty controls.
Yeah I know controversial opinion but whatever. Went back to it recently and I just didn't have much fun with it.
>>340282626
SotC and Ico
>>340282626
The game is 18 years old anon. Of course it's not going to hold up. Just enjoy the nostalgia from easier times
Still the best MGS game
Wolfenstein 3D.
>>340282953
That's the thing though. I can still go back to Mega Man X, Super Mario World, and Castlevania SoTN while having fun.
But this made me wonder what people saw about this game back in the day.
>>340283251
I really hope that you're just baiting. You know what those 3 games all have in common you mentioned? They're all 2D and by that point 2D game making was entirely mastered. 3D was an entirely new frontier for games. MGS is still a really fun game and the only thing you could hold against it is graphics, but graphics are the least important part of a game.
>>340283251
At the time, mgs1 was the first good attempt anyone had made at doing a intricate 3d story and gameplay in a full 3d environment that didn't rely on the crutch of pre rendered backgrounds (see: parasite eve, Dino hunt, re1-3, ff7-9 etc). It may be clunky, but it was cool to see a game like it at the time.
>>340283437
You're right I did mention 2D games only, but I should have mentioned Spyro 2, Bomberman 64, and SM64 are still good games.Mainly due to the fact that they have fun gameplay which I did mention as problems for MGS.
>>340283087
This.
>>340282953
I don't get this logic, the game had shitty control 18 year ago just has it has it now, we liked it for koji shinkawa artwork, the kickass music, the B movie silliness and that amazing 4th Wall break that still remain one of the best 4th Wall break ever
You know, things MGSV don't have
>>340283251
three words:
>TACTICAL
>ESPIONAGE
>ACTION
>>340282626
>mgs is bad
yours days are over mister, us 4channers will devour you!
>>340282626
Can fully respect that opinion but u recently played and beat MGS1 and while I'll agree most of the boss fights were easy game was still awesome.
>MGS
>Bad
You probably think MGS3 is the best one.
>>340282626
I agree, MG2 holds up better
>>340283890
hail chief, veteran of the 4channers.
let's devour our enemy in your name
>>340282626shitposting
Yeah I know controversial opinion but whatever. Went back to it recently and I just didn't have much fun with it.
>>340282626
Any ps1 and n64 game
Suck a big fat one.
>>340282626
I played it for the first time like two years ago and I thought it held up pretty well and aged better than most other PSX games.
>>340282626
>>340283251
Early 3D game dipshit. There was no second analog stick as standard until PS2-gen. And even then it took them a couple of years to figure out that it should be used as a camera button.
Take MGS, add a camera button, and first person shooting and it controls fine.
>>340284143
Well it is since it's considered a classic and you can't talk shit about. Kind of like American Beauty.
I did list reason why I thought it was bad though.
>>340284534
>There was no second analog stick as standard until PS2-gen
>>340283834
I really wouldn't call the controls shitty, they just take some getting used to. It's one of those cases that i'd say is comparable to Resident Evil, if it didn't have those tanky controls it'd fuck up the entire flow of the game and it'd just be an entirely different game.
>>340283805
Well i'd say those games have a handful of problems themselves, things like camera. Yeah two out of three of those games are excellent and hold up well, not a fan of Bomberman 64, but you're comparing top tier platformers here to a stealth game. There are plenty of platformers on PS1 that hold up like shit, see bubsy and croc.
>>340284058
Would agree if MGS2 didn't have so many sections that I just dread doing. Core gameplay is better in MGS2, but I think as a whole MGS holds up better.
>>340284534
>Take MGS, add a camera button, and first person shooting and it controls fine.
Don't.
>>340284534
So... The Twin Snakes?
>>340284189
honestly vagrant story doesn't have a problem of aging like shit, more along the lines of people not having figured out how to get the maximum out of controllers back then. it has no excuse of "no second analog stick", devs simply weren't using it like they do today and vagrant story is one of those games that would've REALLY benefited from better inventor system and outfit shortcuts or something. great game otherwise.
>anymore
No, you've just finally grown up and realized MGS was always shit.
>>340284534
>Not knowing about the dualshock controller for the PS1 and games like Ape Escape
>Mentions first person shooting in MGS even thought that was only in twin snakes.
Final fantasy 7 with the big goofy wannabe goku hairdo and rounded off hands
>>340284546
never mind its still fun
Here's one. It's just too simple and a lot of the combat just gets diluted into mashing attack unless you fight some boss that has a gimmick. Story is alright though.
>>340284610
>>340284804
As Standard. Learn to read nigger. The Dual-shock was optional, and as such almost no games made use of it.
>>340284734
>>340284638
It still needs camera control, which is the main issue. And then it needs to be rebalanced around better aiming. Twin Snakes is a broken rush job of a remake by hacks.
>>340283962
It's alright. Really enjoyed the 4th one though.
God Policenauts sucks! It's so bad. It's like a really bad Visual Novel. And I don't know, seriously, VN are like the easiest thing in the world to design. So when you design a bad one, that is remarkable.
Like the entire story of Policenaughts is not only a pixel hunt, but you basically have to try everything, and then try everything multiple times. So if you don't know this, like if you want to know about some photograph, you ask about the photograph, and she tells you something, and then you have to ask the same topic again. So that photograph entry can occur 3 or 4 times. And then you have to start from the beginning and try them all again because the third time might have opened something new up. And you have to exhaust every single option. ALL OF THEM. Before the game will let you move on. That is HORRIBLE.
No, it's not like an oldschool adventure game. Because in an osa you don't have to look at and inspect everything on the screen multiple times. You're just sitting there, desperately wanting to move on with the plot, and then you're stuck trying to inspect every little thing over and over again, and asking people the same questions over and over again. Ah it's bad. And when it finally gets exciting, it gets exciting for 20 seconds then you're right back at it.
Is the plot interesting? Not really. Yeah, not really. You know what the story is? It is 5% Blade Runner, 95% Lethal Weapon. It is literally Lethal Weapon. It's straight up Riggs and Murtaugh. It's not even subtle. He rips off whole scenes. It's amazing. And PN is not some isolated incident ALL his games are like this. How is this guy considered a godo writer/director?
>>340286648
Did you like Snatcher?
>>340282953
I played through the whole mgs series for the first time this year, so i have absolutely no nostalgia for it but i still loved the game, it was one of the best games i have ever played
This game has aged like milk.
Meanwhile, A Link to the Past remains an excellent game even by today's standards.
>>340287637
Early 3D. See:
>>340284534
you must be at least 28 years old to discuss mgs1 here.
>>340283087
Wow, MGS is an awful series.
>>340285184
Genuinely interested if you like any of 4-9 because they all have the same combat.
Best boss fights in the series
1:Solidus
2:Liquid
3:Fatman/Raven
The end and the boss are overrated boss fights
Psycho mantis is a shit boss fight but cool character same with the boss.
>>340289783
1: solidus
2: The end
3: volgin
the fear is the worst, kojima could have done some real cool shit with him but insted he just jumps on the 3 same trees
>>340290934
Solidus num 1,Nice
see,i found the fear quite fun
my fight with the end went weird tho,he ended up running into plain sight so i just mowed him down with a machine gun.
the boss was disappointing,i wanted it to be a CQC focused boss fight like liquid ,.i ended up just shooting her with a pistol from far range,turned it into another ocelot type fight.
>feel like an old man explaining how media from the 50's were totally great
>>340289194
Well I kinda just play them when listening to music or podcasts.
I like them but wouldn't consider them favorites.
>>340291937
yes
>>340292156
Have you actually sat down and watched shit from the 30's, 40's, and 50's? It's all boring drab shit.
Twilight Zone is 59' onwards, so basically 60's. It's black/white so people assume it's older than it is. It's pretty good, if a bit hokey.
>>340282626
My friend had me play this game a few years ago when he heard I never played a MGS in my life
I loved the shit out of 3, but I wouldn't play 4 until I beat all of them and I wanted to play 1 before 2
I was a bit frustrated with the controls, but it was still solid outside of turning while prone.
When I got to the staircase, I just gave up. I was stuck for days. I looked up a LP ending and told him I thought the ending where Meryl dies was really good.
I decided to beat it three months ago, but it's still an archaic meme relic that belongs in a museum.
>>340293598
Yeah also wasnt a fan of the isometric view to first person view. Just seemed pretty clunky.
>>340293598
>I decided to beat it three months ago, but it's still an archaic meme relic that belongs in a museum.
They are going to say that about every single game today as well.
Full VR with direct mind connections will make these games look absurd.
>So you're telling me they sat in front of displays and used little joypads?
>>340292032
Don't get me wrong I agree with you it's just weird tt me that you singled out ffiv as if they don't almost all have teh same problems.
>>340282626
The only thing this game needs gor a remaster is a locked framerate at 60 (or even 30tbh), proper zbuffer, and texture perspective correction.
Voice acting was actually great, and I played TS first. In MGS1, David Hayter isnt forcing the voice and actually sounds somewhat like a real person. TS he overdid the voice like in the later games
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>>340294395
>proper zbuffer, and texture perspective correction.
This is actually happening in PS1 emulators now. No z-buffer but we have texture correction now.
>>340294395
>In MGS1, David Hayter isnt forcing the voice and actually sounds somewhat like a real person. TS he overdid the voice like in the later games
One of the best coincidences ever. See, he had a cold during the recording of MGS. It resulted in his Snake voice being very perfect and natural. Later games he has to force it more and more.
>>340294276
Yeah should have mentioned the whole series up to 9 but 4 was what came straight to mind.
>>340294583
Yeah but you cant fix all the issues entirely.
Im also not a fan of hardware slowdown in Emulation of older 3d consoles. I want accuracy, but I also want the option to fix that shit.
I unironically think Emulated N64 OOT looks great, and it runs at 20 fps constant. It works because the input was polled at 60hz.
>>340295073
>Im also not a fan of hardware slowdown in Emulation of older 3d consoles. I want accuracy, but I also want the option to fix that shit.
Also working on that. Mednafen-libretro has a bottleneck removal option, for modest CPU increase and slowdown. PGXP has the option for CPU overclocking, for big fps boosts, but also some problems.
60fps hacks could be made, but no one has bothered.
>>340282626
played it for the first time a few months ago, one of my favourite games ever
>>340284761
Jesus, to even have the inventory it DID. Game is still awesome and holds up today.
La Li Lu Le Lo?
>>340297708
Meryl?
>>340297803
Metal Gear? huh?
>>340282626
cry more please
>>340298241
>>340297708
>>340297803
>Metal Gear Solid's codec was my first friend simulator
>>340298292
>being a butthurt Kojima fan
>>340298429
Friends?
>>340282626
Still a great game but those points are pretty spot on. Also the mini-map was too OP for its own good. I don't know about anybody else but when playing MGS I always used to find myself looking at the corner of the screen more often than anywhere else.
>>340282905
>SotC
The game is beautiful, are you trolling?
A Hind D?
>>340282626
>>340300758
Cournel, what's a Russian gunship doing here?
>>340282626
Played it two nights ago, fun as fuck tbhfam don't know what you're on about.
>>340282626
Not a single game from 1998 holds up. Shit year.
>>340301370
Yeah cause you were born
>>340301557
I'm 97, bitch.
>>340301651
get off my board gramps
>>340282626
Only bad part is changing the key card to different temperature.
>>340282626
>>>/vr/
keep your shitposting there, people will actually fall for it here you asshole
>>340284761
what you just described was aging, controls that would have been better had they released today
It's funny because MG2 already used a similar formula and it played better.
But fuck you, Naomi was top-tier in this game.
>>340284189
pretty sweet gfx for a ps1 game
>ugly graphics
Looks a million times better than Super Mario 64, yet nobody bitches about the graphics for that game.
>easy bossfights
So?
>that stupid part where you're running up the large staircase.
That was pretty entertaining
>cheesy VO apart from Snake, Otacon, and Campbell.
Cheesy VO is part of the MGS rules, it's fine
>shitty controls.
Nah they're fine, maybe try and suck less?
>>340282626
I play MGS1 at least once every year and it's pretty good, always gives me the feels and i think it's better than a lot of games that come out nowadays
>>340287436
Me too, to me MGS3 is the best then MGS last MGS2
>>340282626
This game really is quite bad.
>>340305171
This...fucking correct.
>>340306023
B A I T
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>>340305171
>Looks a million times better than Super Mario 64
SM64 had more color to it than gray and blue at the very least. Everywhere in MGS looks dead.
>>340306148
>Alaska
>Winter
>Set in a nuclear waste storage facility
Of course it's going to look fucking dead and bleak, it's not a cartoon game aimed at 5 year olds.
>>340282626
Opposite opinion.
Replayed it recently to wash MGSV terribleness away and I still think this is the most personal and best Snake was written (Solid or Boss).
I really like Snake in MGS, he feels actually human.
>>340306295
You can do an industrial environment without it looking like shit, that's no excuse.
>>340306441
It doesn't look like shit though, it's a mature setting for a mature game. Go and jump on your cartoon goombas you child, the adults are talking.
>>340283834
why is it that every time someone says the controls to these games are shitty they cant explain why
>>340306579
You're the one who mentioned SM64 so I just used your example.
Thief: The Dark Project's environments hold up far better than anything in MGS1.
>>340306579
>it's a mature setting for a mature game
confirmed troll
>>340306991
Thief is shit though, bland characters with a bland story. MGS has a rich lore and deep characters.
WOAH, LOOKS AMAZING!
>>340307197
He says this shit looks better Kys kid
>>340307179
How is that trolling? Metal Gear has always featured mature themes involving life, death, the horrors or war, love, genetics, what makes us human and philosophy.
We can argue all night, but openly saying MGS isn't mature is ridiculous.
>>340300882
>Cournel
retard
>>340307197
Hey, at least that character has a face :3
>>340307894
delete this
>>340307894
Autism at least our character doesnt look like a minecraft skin faggot
>>340308167
Yep
>>340282905
Ico, sure, but SotC?
Any older Final Fantasy game that isn't V, VI, VII and IX.
>>340308843
>Ico, sure
KEKEKEKEKEKEEKEKKEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKKEKKKKKKK
>>340309005
Iv though, and after story.
Counter Strike GO
>>340282626
>Yeah I know controversial opinion but whatever.
most share your opinion actually
>>340284638
that game would be great if they redesign the area to fit with mgs2 gameplay
>>340286648
bravo kojima bravo
>>340282626
played it last year and my only complaint would be the clunky controls
>>340301370
>Half life
>Unreal
>Fallout 2
>Thief
>Baldur's Gate
>Half life
>Starseige: Tribes
Not sure if bait.
