Let us be honest here. This game is underrated. Maybe not on /v/ but the people outside of /v/ most definitely didn't give this fantastic game an honest chance.
Let's talk about this game now that it is getting a deserving HD remaster.
>HD remaster
source?
Half the cast is insufferable and the combat wasn't my thing.
Story was decent tho.
I started playing this today just ran into balthier and fran when does the combat get good
>>340253292
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XOKqSDqSNs
>>340253419
>2017
I am only concerned with the impending return of Ondoreposting.
Reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaPHBj1Dl40
>>340253106
I just want more games set in Ivalice desu.It's never coming back
>>340253106
it was the only main series FF game i finished
though the plot was just bad
>>340253632
this is how neo-/v/ will handle it
>buy game
>play only few hours
>get to ondore's lies part
>laugh, meme it up like it's the new hot thing
>drop game
>discussion will be shit because memes and they haven't finished the game
>>340253339
About the time you hit Tomb of Raithwall, imo because of Demon Wall and Belias.
>>340253626
So...?
>>340253626
>a game in the works dosent come out until next year
ok and?
>>340253106
I think it would have been better as a mobile title desu...
so whats different in the zodiac version other than the job boards instead of general boards for each character?
>>340254207
i always thought "hey bucket head" was better then ondores lies
>>340254056
FF12 does a few things that are unacceptable, the map, just like FF10 has empty spaces in between, without a world map to "make the world whole".
The combat was boring because everything happened automatically. The gambit system was nice to program but from that point on it's a snoozefest.
the outside of town areas are dull as fuck.
it's an offline mmo.
Besides that the music was great and it has the best gfx on ps2 together with valkrie profile 2, especially at high res in an emulator.
>>340254217
I remember that bird boss right before the tomb being a giant pain in the ass.
>>340253106
It's one of the most fun RPGs I've ever played. I loved the Gambit system; it felt like all my planning and elaborate spaghettis of skills paid off.
The narrative is the second worst in the series, second only to the XIII legacy.
Nah, it was rated perfectly fucking fine.
Shit is trash. It was ugly as all fuck and broken as shit. Just because you cuckafucks decided to emulate a nip only version of the game and run it at a proper resolution does NOT change those facts.
The HD remake might be okay, but defending the original is worse than defending XIII.
>>340253106
Lets be honest, FFX is the only FF game with good gameplay besides FF3 and 5, and FF mainline will always be outclassed by its superior spinoffs
>>340253106
I'm gonna play it on PS2 first and see if I still want the remaster after. My first impression is it has a very familiar setting to FFXIV which I wouldn't mind at all.
>>340254497
>FF3
>good gameplay
That has got to be the dumbest fucking thing I've read or heard all day.Even if you're not referring to VI and not III, they both had shit gameplay
>>340254305
Zodiac Spear isn't unattainable if you open the wrong loot box.
>>340254412
Just buy a bow or two before you head in, Dunesea is the easiest fucking place to get loot drops for gil because 90% of the enemies are Urutans.
>>340254507
XIV ripped alot of shit from XII, more than it did any other FF I would say.
Difference is XIV is structurally different and has a plot that isn't a shitty star wars ripoff and in general retarded.
Actually I take that back, XIV's plot gets pretty fucking retarded sometimes, but in different ways.
>>340254747
>FF14 literally re-uses FF12 monster assets.
I'm dying.
>>340253250
>shilling a 10 year old game
you're fucking stupid
>>340253106
i agree. one of the best final fantasy games. easily has the most fun combat.
>>340253106
I hope this game does well that there might be renewed interest in a new Tactics game, since both games are set in Ivalice and all.
>>340254658
who cares? that's all I ever see. if your game hinges this much on some item you get from a random chest maybe you're playing it wrong.
>>340255171
Honestly I feel like 12's version of ivalice was a watered down piece of shit compared to the actual depictions of ivalice, even the fake ivalice in tactics advance.
It felt too shakespearan rather than final fantasy.
You hear it you lose
>Balthier
>>340255295
>>340255085
Welp >>340255165 I stand corrected they're starting to flood in now.
>>340255171
I don't think current SE is capable of making proper Tactics 2. Maybe another Advance game.
>>340254740
>dat sidequest for the flower the Bird is allergic to
Urutans are fucking ruthless yo
>>340255393
the main complaint about vanilla was that chests don't respawn, correct?
that seems like such a non issue. and if it is that important that's horrible design.
>>340255363
>Those guards just standing on the stairs with one foot.
>>340255506
"Main" complaint.
It's a fucking meme complaint nigger because nobody wants to type out every damn thing wrong with that hunk of shit every time we're asked. The chest thing just encapsulates how retarded squeenix was when designing the game.
The story was bad(even if some characters weren't). The game was UGLY as sin in the ps2 resolution(nobody talks about this for some reason, probably because they're all underaged who emulated it). The combat is fucking literally the same shit as FFXIII without the cinematic lock and forcing you to program the AI for squeenix. It's seriously disengaging. You just lock on to a target and occassionally pick a spell while attacking automatically IIRC. But then you have to micromanage on the harder fights because even programmed the AI is inefficient and stupid with their abilities/wastes important shit. Hunts were the final straw that made me quit. Basically just a way to pad out the content of the game even more and I had absolutely no interest in the plot whatsoever.
Fran best FF girl.
>>340255983
Best body maybe but that voice is fucking awful.
>>340255963
no offense, but it sounds like you just needed to git gud.
The gambit based combat was the best part of this game. If you actually spent fifteen minutes layering the proper actions, you could auto pilot every fight in the game, with the controller in one hand and beverage/dick/mouse in the other.
Or are you actually trying to say they made grinding too user friendly for you?
>>340256267
you have shit taste
>>340256629
>say shit is disengaging
>NO YOU JUST NEED TO GIT GUD SO THAT THE GAME LITERALLY PLAYS ITSELF
Perhaps I should rephrase. By more difficult I mean the fights that too fucking long take even LONGER if you don't micromanage. And that's kind of the crux of the issue. Shit is more drawn out than knights of the round. Combat is a sluggish chore with the only reward being more combat or missable loot or a trash story that's a gimped version of star wars.
i literally JUST got the zodiac rom and set up pcsx2 for it today, before learning that it's coming out with a remaster.
>tfw waiting another year to replay one of your favorite rpgs of all time
>>340257317
You must play some really shitty RPGs.
>>340257317
Just play it on emulator, it's the same shit.
>>340257419
yeah but i have more fun than you.
>>340257621
If that's what you have to tell yourself to cope.
Go post your anime and pepes and think about not killing yourself some more.
>>340253292
It's all over the gaming websites ya dingbat.
>>340257419
>muh taste in RPGs is better than yours!
fuck off and go shitpost in another thread
>>340256267
teh meest iz thicc
>>340254493
Hello there guy with terrible taste. FFXII had some of the best visuals on the PS2.
Fuck off yeah?
>>340255963
You are way too angry over this. Why come into a thread to type out such a long response for a game you don't even like?
You must be a very silly little bitch.
>>340254412
You must not have killed the giant turtle and helped those ratmen raiders (or whatever they were)
>>340255464
is there any way to save that guy?
I thought I fucked up the quest somehow.
>>340253106
Which system will the remake be using, original or International?
>>340260654
>Zodiac is in the fucking title
>>340260792
I'm aware, but you know how autistic US releases can be.
>>340253626
Considering how much games SE is putting out later this year, it can't be helped.
>>340253106
Haven't played the game in years but I remember not really understanding the chain thing with enemies. Also I remember some group on a beach and you'd give them items monsters would drop for other items but I didn't figure that shit out either. Was that in the game or am I confusing XII with something else?
>Five minutes of gambit toggling makes the game "walk to win"
>Shoddy character development and irrelevant, milquetoast protagonist (why was Vaan the protagonist?)
>Boring and needlessly convoluted plot with an unsatisfying ending
>Artificial difficulty, with portions of the game where having a guide is almost a necessity ("Woops! Just opened up the first chest in the game! Now you can't get the best weapon!")
Honestly, I liked parts of it ((the gameplay mechanics, "random-encounter" workarounds, orchestral soundtrack (albeit mostly unmemorable), Mark hunting etc.)), but overall it was justOK.
>>340260880
Yes.
>>340254402
I have to disagree about combat. Setting up gambit and mowing things down was fun as fuck. I'd do it for hours on end back when the game came out. Then again I'm an autistic fuck so there's that.
Also the only reason I hate MMOs is because of the people... so there's that.
>>340261093
>>Five minutes of gambit toggling makes the game "walk to win"
No... you have to change the gambits for every situation and KNOW what the situation is going into it to know which gambits to select. You haven't play the game or haven't played very long obviously.
>>340261093
>(why was Vaan the protagonist?)
Why do you think? to sell the game to teenage girls
Its literally the same reason Raiden was the protagonist of MGS2.
>>340260654
I hope that they can include both and when you start a new game it will ask you which version do you want to play.
>>340261414
You can walk anywhere on the over-world with attack nearest and cure under []% gambits on and survive. The only parts you really need to adjust them are the bosses, and even that's just the standard reflect and decoy. Maybe YOU haven't played the game, anon.
>Threw quite literally 800 hours into the original (~perfect~ game run, 122333 run, and just a regular run in which i played through the game with no grinding and only used shop items to keep things challenging)
>tfw people on /v/ are retarded enough to think they can talk me out of enjoying the game immensely
>tfw I've been waiting for this HD remake for years
And yes I am aware of the emulated version. In fact I played a little of it just to get a feel for IZJS and it seems very nice, but I've held off on playing because I knew this would come out sooner or later.
>tfw the new Esper changes in this HD version give me enough of an excuse to finally do a Summoner only run with best girlAshe.
>tfw the redone OST is going to actually be great if that remastered boss theme is anything to go by
My hype cannot be controlled.
>>340261794
>122333 run
?
>>340261416
But Vaan really isn't the protagonist, Ashe is if anyone.
>>340261775
Try that in necrohol of nabudis or anything mid to late game. Before that I agree it's face roll but once you start hitting things that can status you or just plain beat your face in with sheer numbers it takes knowhow to stay alive.
>>340261794
>if that remastered boss theme is anything to go by
Do you have a link?
>>340253106
the combat sysytem is almost exactly like ff11 but shittier
>>340261794
Enjoy the game then. Some people think it's good, some people think it's bad. Some think it's alright. Does a game really need unconditional praise/scorn to sway you?
>>340261915
122333 is the lowest levels you can get all 6 members of your party members. 122333 run keeps them at that level and beats the game without leveling up.
>>340261986
It plays during the second of of the trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2-bWotLKqo&list=LLUCI8rjHilqOigWAutyKI-w&index=2
but also here's a better link to it by itself from squares website
http://www.finalfantasyxii.com/audio/bgm_036_160509.mp3
>>340262035
It's much more responsive than XI. You have less options for what to do but I think the phrase shittier is a little too broad.
Almost everything by Yasumi Matsuno is underrated or a cult classic.
Vagrant Story, FFTactics, Ogre Battle and Tactics Ogre. I don't know why Square doesn't give the man more power or why he doesn't direct more games.
Best Final Fantasy game by a mile, maybe the best jRPG ever made.
Kiddies will hate it because they can't handle the plot or figure out the combat system. I just played through it in PCSX2 and shit is magic, looks like a late 360/PS3 game with just a bump in resolution. Will double dip on the PS4 and triple dip for the steam version
>>340262117
>http://www.finalfantasyxii.com/audio/bgm_036_160509.mp3
Damn that's powerful as fuck.
>>340262380
You can definitely feel the thunder of the drums in this new version over the original. There's also just so much more clarity.
Fuck I cannot wait.
Man I still remember spending all of Halloween playing FF12. Was at the midnight launch and they had a raffle for the standee, I had a friend rig it for me who worked at GameStop.
I was sitting there eating taco bell and playing it until I was dragged out of the house for a halloween party.
>>340253419
Holy shit
Is it ZJS version?
>>340262604
Yep
Personally I'm not so hot on IZJS, I feel like it forces unnecessary restrictions on you that don't really improve the game in any way
but it will be nice to play FFXII again so I'll deal with it
I just fought adramelech, a bit underleveled.
it was super fun and hard
>>340253626
Yeah? IZJS came out in 2007 and this is the 10th anniversary of it.
>>340262678
>>340262756
Fuckin' sweet, I actually loved the system
I guess It'll be easier to find an excuse to make a different class setup now
>>340262764
If you thought that was fun just wait until Zalera. You basically have to cheese that fight to win.
>>340261313
There was nothing quite like setting up the gambits so the game literally played itself to the point of being able to leave the game running overnight.
Heres my epic blog post about how I came to getting the game.
>Sat at home watching the trailers for FFXII
>"What the fuck have they done with the combat? This looks shit"
>"Why does Vaan look like such a little bitch? Fuck Square they've ruined FF"
>A few days go by
>Head to my local game shop to buy something (No, FFXII did not even cross my mind, I was looking for something else specifically although I can't remember what now)
>The game I wanted wasn't there
>Looking around
>Nothing else caught my eye
>Last copy of FFXII sitting on the shelf
>Reluctantly buy it purely because I didn't want to go home empty handed
>It literally became my favorite Final Fantasy to this day
I love the combat despite hating the look of it too.
My favorite thing about the game is the sheer number of Rare enemies and Hunts, along with having a Bestiary.
Chaining monsters to get their rare drops shouldn't be fun, but I found it to be satisfying as fuck.
>>340263203
It's basically fucking Farmville. A game which plays itself and the longer you play it the more rare shit you find.I say this despite loving the game.
>>340262240
He's lazy as fuck. He recently said on Twitter that FFXII is too huge for any story additions, so nobody should expect him to add even more stuff to it.
inb4 using scathe still takes a full minute to play through because of the pseudo turn system
>>340263603
It was only due to the fact that the ps2 couldn't render anything else without massive frame drops. Then again, it also balanced things because Scathe was super OP.
>>340263698
I think he has a point though. I doubt they'll actually change it despite it being on better hardware, which is a real shame.
Admit it /v/, who here watched Ashe10's videos?
