Did anyone actually notice a difference in graphics between the PS3 and PS4? It really is getting harder and harder to notice.
graphics could have stopped improving with the gamecube/ps2 era and I would be okay with that
I also noticed how PS3 is where the no games meme started and it eventually moved to the PS4.
Notice how PS1/2 have Ape Escape trilogy while the other two dont have any AE platformer, i wonder what could this mean.
the PS4 can only handle PS3 games at 60fps, of course there wouldn't be a jump
pc could run ps3 games at 4k 5 years ago
>>340216020
are you retarded?
>>340216020
600 looks the best
You have to be retarded to think there is nothing more to graphics than the amount of polygons objects have.
>>340216020
Easily noticeable.
>implying video games exist
A single screen of data at minimum resolution (640x480), is 307,200 pixels. Open up a new picture in MSPaint, set its size to 640x480, fill it with all black, save it, and check its file size. That's 4.01KB.
Now change one pixel to a non-black color and save it again. That's 4.02KB.
Assuming you control that pixel with the arrow keys, and all the game is is moving that pixel in the 640x480 space, that's a total of 307,200 possible locations. 307,200 * 4.02 = 1,234,944KB.
That's 1.2 GIGABYTES.
The average sprite in an NES "game" is supposedly eight pixels tall.
That's OVER NINE GIGABYTES, for a single non-animated sprite moving in a featureless black void.
Of course, there are steps a designer could take to shrink the size of the game, mostly by decreasing the freedom of the moving pixels; still, that all goes to shit when you factor in ANOTHER sprite. This results in what is known as a 'combinatorical explosion' where the number of bytes necessary to hold every position exceeds the number of protons in the local galactic cluster.
Video games will not be possible in practice until computers occupy something other than space and are made of something other than matter.
>>340217620
This is wise.
>>340216020
Particle effects and lighting. Seriously. It's getting hard to push higher poly counts without crippling the GPU, but lighting and particle effects are new tricks the current run of console GPUs can handle nicely.
>>340217620
>>340217963
it also ties into resolution.
a 6000 poly model looks like shit at 4k.
hell it looks like shit at 1080p.
>>340218256
Particle effects still haven't surpassed Crysis and lighting hasn't improved any outside of EA games for the most part.
GTAV has better lighting than 99% of next-gen games and that came out before these new consoles.
>>340216391
It means that no one gives a fuck about Ape Escape anymore, sadly. Shame, really; the first game was insanely creative, and the second and third entries really had some good magic going too. More to the point, outside of Nintendo the mascot platformer is a dead franchise.
>>340216020
Daily reminder that this image expresses nothing because the original model was created at 6000 triangles and the 60k is just that with subdivisions, adding no additional detail
>>340218426
>outside of Nintendo the mascot platformer is a dead franchise.
are you retarded?
ratchet, kratos, master chief, gearsofwar. littlebigplanet
>>340216020
That 60000 triangle model wasn't modeled by hand. It's just the 6000 triangle model artificially smoothed out
>>340218405
Infamous SS relied on it pretty heavily, as did Killzone Shadow Fall. I don't have an Xbone, but I'd bet your bottom dollar that the new Halo features some of the lighting and particle effect tricks we saw in those Sony titles. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm primarily a PC gamer too, but at the launch E3, that was what they were talking about mostly.
>>340217620
I wish more devs had this mentality
>>340218426
I only cared about the cute loli cunnies and the spats.
Yes, current technology hit the wall, at this point only entirely new way of rendering images can bring graphics on the next level, and console devs sure as fuck aren't interested in innovating
>>340218703
Can you show me an example of particles in KZ? I'm not saying next-gen games don't use new tricks, just saying that last-gen isn't far away.
Black Flag is one of the most impressive games of current memory and it was last-gen too.
>>340216020
>Wii resolution
>xBox resolution
>PS resolution
>PC resolution
Accurate
>>340217835
As you get older, you'll eventually learn to keep your "clever" thoughts to yourself
>>340217620
What am I looking at here?
>>340216020
>Did anyone actually notice a difference in graphics between the PS3 and PS4? It really is getting harder and harder to notice.
You can't be serious
>people still post and believe this image
>>340218642
MC and GoW are First and third-person shooters. LBP is hardly emblematic of the platform, Kratos hasn't had a current gen release, and the remastered R&C didn't do too well to invigorate the film it was promoting. Besides, no one immediately thinks of Ratchet when you ask someone about the PS4, though you may have a point with Halo being emblematic of the platform.
>>340218981
looks like a ps3 game
>>340218981
Witcher 2 on Xbox has similar graphics and is better in some ways, like in the use of AO.
Tomb Raider 2013 and Metro is comparable also.
>>340219125
>looks like a bad nonfactual opinion
>>340218807
Actually EA did use a new rendering method for Battlefront called "photogrammetry" which involves scanning props n shit for vidya games.
>>340218938
Rather than using resources to make one model with ten times the triangles that looks slightly better, use the resources to make ten models with 6000 triangles that still look good
>>340218938
ten 6,000-triangle models as opposed to one 60,000-triangle model, making the case that it'd be smarter to use all the extra processing power to have average-looking gaem with more gaem than a very technically nice-looking gaem with less gaem.
>>340218816
First thing I could find. They use similar things throughout the game, mostly dust flares and lighting on the space station chapter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVTCreOWwzQ
>>340216020
This image has been debunked years ago
>>340217835
Can confirm, work for video games. This is our biggest secret.
>>340218807
Why are you saying silly things on the internet
>>340219337
>new
Are you fucking kidding me? Oblivion used that.
>>340219482
That's cool.
This comparison makes _zero_ sense. All those extra polygons mean extra vertices which means more normals to use in the calculation of lighting, which means smoother and higher resolution shading.
Whoever made this pictures knows absolutely nothing about 3d rendering.
>>340219445
>>340219474
Oh I see. Yeah, that would be pretty cool if games did that. Graphics are already good enough.
>>340216020
Yes, PS3 games look like shit compared to PS4. Sure a good PC will be better especially if you can push 4K, but 1080p with AA is still so much better than 720p or sub-720p without AA as was the standard on the PS3.
>>340219337
>Actually EA did use a new rendering method for Battlefront called "photogrammetry" which involves scanning props n shit for vidya games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMYso30L9zI
>>340219670
It is. There was a lot of meat on the bones of Shadow Fall, so I'm pretty excited for that Horizon: Zero Dawn game. Heard it got pushed back to February of next year, but I can wait.
>>340219253
>Witcher 2 on Xbox has similar graphics
>720p
>constant tearing
>25fps
>ultra shitty AA
>>340219337
That's neat. It really shows, especially in the rocks and stuff.
>>340219892
Resolution and AA isn't graphics you retard.
Main differences I'm noticing are better lighting and more shit on the screen. Draw distances are usually better too.
>>340219670
After a google search, I found no results that stated Oblivion used photogrammetry. And by new, I meant new for vidya games, since it hasn't been used by a triple A company for many many years.
>>340219783
What are you trying to say? None of those two games used photogrammetry
>>340217620
Someone post the debunk image
>>340219872
I actually liked Shadowfall. Sure it did not reinvent the wheel in terms of shooters but it had excellent visuals (especially for a launch title) and it was an okay game overall. Definitely not worth buying a PS4 for but if you like console shooters and you can get it for <$20 I'd generally recommend it.
>>340219337
That isn't rendering, that's asset creation.
Get your eyes checked, or quit playing bargain bin trash.
>>340220019
Yes it is retard
Witcher 2 on 360 looks like shit, if you stick around long enough I'll boot it up via Xbone BC and post some screenshots.
>>340220261
How much of the previous games do I need to know? Or can I get away with a passing understanding of the setting?
I'm kinda keen on Shadow Fall because it looks damn pretty and I've a raging boner for sci-fi shooters.
i dont wear my glasses when playing vidya so i cant tell
>>340220359
even if its the same game with same shaders and 3d models. the resolution doesnt chage a damn thing,
is like playing in a bigger tv
>>340220282
My bad, haven't took 3D Art since first semester college.
>>340220512
get a load of this guy
>>340220352
at least jap games run at 15+ fps.
not hentai 3d games obviously. they ar emade to run like shit on every hardware
>>340220420
You don't need to know anything about the previous games, it takes like like 100 years after the first game if I remember correctly and has little to do with the previous installments.
>>340220352
To what?
Making super disappointing games like Battlefront, or stuff with shit combat like W3 and UC4
>>340216020
>Did anyone actually notice a difference in graphics between the PS3 and PS4
The jump to PS4 from PS3 is literally just high res textures and better lighting.
I thought the jump from PS2 to PS3 was weak years ago. This one is even weaker.
>>340217532
implying there was a gpu in 2010-2011 that could do 4k@30fps minimum
nigga is u srs?
>>340220512
OH WOW THIS LOOKS JUST LIKE UNCHARTED 4
I maintain that if graphics had stagnated at a PS2/GC/Xbox level, gaming would be in a much better position than it is today. Anyone that cares about graphics in any way is a cancerous blight on this industry.
>>340220512
Resolution and AA totally don't matter!
(Let's just ignore the fact that Witcher 2's 360 assets are also complete trash)
>>340221482
I know you're being sarcastic, but aside from the humans, there is hardly any difference between that and U4.
These are PS3 games.
>>340221668
And I'm the one being sarcastic
you're a fucking dumbass
>>340221807
This is a PS4 game.
>>340216020
We've pretty much maxed out (within reason) anything that you should care about with respect to geometry and textures. Even going past 4K is pointless now because the differences in resolution don't matter.
What matters now is getting engines to decently render light and make it look pretty, instead of a grey washed out mass.
>>340221896
Enjoy being BTFO. note how the texture quality is exactly the same. Like I said, aside the humans, it's almost the same.
>>340221896
They look exactly the same outside of characters!
Also Witcher 2 on 360 has a load screen every 5 seconds. Every single door.
>>340222206
>hurr let's bring up load times to try and change the argument so I wont be so BTFO
pretty pathetic desu. If you can't win the argument, just stop posting, you only make yourself look like even more of a sperg lord.
>>340222141
What are you even comparing on the left there?
>>340221668
Kill yourself
not in the models, but in the lighting and textures maybe
>>340222494
See >>340222141 and cry your consolecuck heart out.
>>340222412
U4's wooden door texture.
A-MAZE-ING
>>340216020
I noticed that the lighting was a bit better on this generation of consoles.
>>340222581
I meant the source you retard
>>340217620
I cant wait until the year 2050, when video-game graphics are basically as good as they can possibly get, and game devs can turn all their attention to improving the important parts of games!
Also, they can spend like 30 years making the best fucking games ever imaginable, because they wont fall behind in graphics.
If you take more than like 3 years to make a game these days, it comes out looking bad graphically compared to other games.
Imagine the kind of games we will see, when the average game is developed for 8+ years.
Nowadays, lighting and art style are what make games look good.
>>340222740
The image posted in the thread of U4.
>>340216020
There's more to graphics than triangle count. There's rendering resolution, framerate, texture resolution, lighting and shadow techniques, physics simulations, audio quality, animation quality, particle effects, map size, object count, etc. Even if OP's image wasn't a misguided attempt to make a statement, there is still a ton of progress to be made on graphical fidelity for real-time rendering.
And yes, I have noticed a difference between PS3 and PS4. Just compare FF13 and FF15, the difference is night and day.
>>340221807
>what is resolution
>>340222865
Oh, you're talking about that pre-release screenshot with ultra heavy depth of field enabled, confusing that with texture quality, got it, you are a retard.
>>340222769
this is only a dream, once the graphics limit sets in, there will always be new goals to reach, for example at this moment it is VR headset, then it will come all the way when you dont know if you are either dreaming, in real life, or in a game
>>340223097
Post actual U4 wooden door then. With or without DoF enabled, the result will be the same, it'll just be less blurry on the contours, since DoF doesn't change the textures. Dumbass.
>>340222769
>If you take more than like 3 years to make a game these days, it comes out looking bad graphically compared to other games.
>>340221917
Isnt that shit pre-rendered???
>>340223021
one might say you know what you are talking about, but actually you spewed alot of irrelevant bullshits to sound smarter
>audio quality
>map size
>object count
>>340223271
Here's a door
>I don't know how DoF works
>>340223519
>audio quality
There is more an improvement to simulation than graphics, you are right, but there is a ton of work that can be done to improve how sounds are affected in a simulated environment. Similar to raytracing for lighting, you could apply the same kind of processing for audio to get something that sounds much better than something just playing directly off a triggered action.
>map size
>object count
These are self-explanatory, not sure why you are so asspained about it.
>Every single thread bullshots from Uncharted 4 are posted
This is why a containment board is necessary.
>>340223925
Every screenshot I have posted has been in-game and not with the use of the photo mode.
>>340223407
surprisingly no, uncharted 4's cutscenes are all done in-engine
>>340221917
Its easy to have great graphical fidelity when you've got fuck all happening on screen.
>>340223407
Yes.
Uncharted 4 uses a mixture of pre-rendered cutscenes and clever movie editing, so the game starts just where the cutscene ended.
Some times with a fade to black, or some quick motion blur effect, maybe an explosion.
>>340223925
>bullshots
>taken with the in-game photo mode
>>340223407
>>340224062
Cutscene lighting just like almost every other movie game.
>>340224062
I still want to see the middle-far parts of the map, is where most of the games go to shit.
I know its not the best example, but look at this shit.
>moded skyrim with 4k textures and whatever mod you can imagine
>that fucking lone treen in the distance done like shit
Same with any "real" open world, its like this guys forgot was mipmapping.
>>340223723
you just forced a discusion about audio in a graphics thread, get the fuck outa here
map size is fucking irrelevant when you cant fucking see all of your game most of the time, if so the resolution gets reduced >Total war, GTA etc.
lastly, more objects doesnt mean better looking game, you dont just put every thing you like in your room without making it a trash house
you are a tryhard and full of bullshits, talking about shits you dont understand, i bet you have a punchable face
>>340224715
I bet you're black :^]
>>340224564
in fairness to modders, they do it for free and actually making convincing densely wooded area is not that easy. I have never seen a game with convincing forest. The worst is GTA V with the mountains, there are like 10 trees on them total when in reality it should be thousands upon thousands.
>>340224853
>they do it for free and actually making convincing densely wooded area is not that easy
are you retarded?
it's clearly easy if they do it for free and people getting paid can't do it.
>>340217620
I just realized I didn't get it because I couldn't tell an appreciable difference between the 6k model and the 60k model.
>>340224820
oh wow, way to admit defeat and buttfuck yourself with embarrassment at the same time
>>340224853
Not perfect, but this forest looks pretty good from far, and inside it.
>>340224160
>the in-game photo mode totally doesn't add a ton of post-processing effects and shit to make your image look better than the game actually does!
Fuck off, moron. You can't trust any game's in-game screencapture function.
Except Nintendo games. Because they actually remove post-processing effects with theirs.
>Not realizing half the bullshit devs do is because it's normalized/incentivized by gpu companies so you buy more powerful hardware. Shillvidia do this but I bet you can find instances of amd doing it too.
oy vey, excess over efficiency!
>>340225206
Crysis definitely was very impressive for its time but vegetation is not nearly as dense as you would find in a real jungle. It's simply too much shit to render.
>>340218981
looks like a PS2 game
>>340225534
It's a mutually-beneficial partnership.
Hell, just look at how people on /v/, the supposed "intellectual elite" of video games, put graphics on a pedestal. We say we want better gameplay, but try and go one thread without someone bringing up graphics. Console wars? More power = better, because better graphics.
They know that they can sell graphics. And that benefits the GPU manufacturers, who get to sell exorbitantly-overpriced technology to the highest bidder, all in an attempt to court video game companies so they can use that power as inefficiently as possible, exploit consumers, and make a few bucks.
It's not going to stop until you - yes, you, personally - stop giving a shit about the big games and start funding the little guys. Indie games and other small titles actually get bought in small enough amounts that, yes, your dollar does matter. And they're usually at least mildly creative. And cheap.
>>340226000
do you remember what ps2 games looked like?
>>340224160
>"photo mode"
you just proved the point, all the photos are from a special non-gameplay mode that touches up the shots
Disclaimer: This is not real life
>>340226189
a little better, right?
I remember Black beat the shit out any Killzone games
>looks like a PS2 game
>>340226532
stuff like black and shadow of the colossus were the height of ps2 "realistic" graphics
>>340225857
This is and smoke, are the best proof that devs are just a bunch of lazy fucks.
Volumetric is the magic.
>2016
>water splashes and other particles are just a flat floating texture with some alpha to be transparent
If someone like carmak wouldnt be thinking in that megatexture bullshit, he could came up with a "solution" to the smoke and distant forest thing....
Pic is just in case to explain the idea.
>>340226367
Crysis still looks like it can be released today.
>>340227726
Maxed Crysis wouldn't run on the PS4.
>>340227792
I don't put that past it.
>>340217620
Where's the debunk image?
>>340227116
It's really not that easy anon, if it was it would already have been done.
I think after another generation or two of GPU hardware we'll finally have enough power to do fairly realistic smoke and liquid simulation. You need to keep in mind that the PS4 and Xbone are the first consoles with asynchronous compute, and they're low-end async GPUs. Currently realistic smoke is too resource intensive and requires developers take away from other areas visually.
>>340227726
>yfw even if they do a "remaster" for the ps4.1 it wont even look like the game before it got patched to reach ultra and dx10
>>340228110
Crysis 1, 2, and 3 has realistic smoke and renders more polygons than probably any next-gen game made.
>>340219762
bullshots
SWEET
this is definitely accurate representation for what the game actually looks like
>>340228161
It's a shame what happened to Crytek. They chased after every dumb fad, taking a shit on their core fanbase and look where it got them.
>>340228416
>in-game screenshots are bullshots somehow
>>340228863
>this in the opinion of consolecucks looks good somehow
lol
>>340220947
You do realize that we are talking about graphics in this thread?
>>340228110
To me its a prove of lazynes, they just waited untill novidya gave them physics and that kind of shit.
The volumetric smoke was done before.
Need for speed did it with.... i cant remember the fucking name... AHH pro street, when you have to do a burnout, to put the tires on temperature, that smoke was volumetric, but it was just there, nowhere else.
Then came the particle system, wich was used at first for vegetation and non particle stuff, and with it, they animate the flora without scripting anything.
You see, most of the stuff they make, its just an easy way to do shit, i really must put the blame on someone else, becase the poor shit dev is just following orders, like, imagine yourself making this kind of shit, and then you start to see a nose from the top of your box, and then you hear....
>i need that shit done for tomorow morning, no excuse
>but look master goldstein, look the amazing system im coding to make the smoke volumetric and better looking
>so, you are using your work hours for your personal projects???
>no no, im doing this for the game
>and where did i tell you that i want that, stop it now, and go back to the work im paying for
>yes boss, as you wish........
So its just more than lazy devs.
also, the traditional method werks because its just copypasta of what you already have, like pic.
Now, toddd take this to the extreme, when even the LOD layers go on top of the other without making the lower ones dissapear, and save resources
Bassicaly you have the meshes and textures from all LODs at the same time, wich made the game back then unplayable.
>>340229016
retarded bait
>>340227792
I've got a 7870 and can play it on the max at 1080p but it's sub, 60fps. That of course is normal for consoles so the PS4 could probably run vanilla Crysis on max.
>>340217835
Beautifully said, sides have launched. Also, I'm laughing at the guy who said "yeah keep your clever thoughts to yourself" thinking you were being serious. Though maybe he was just trolling (I sincerely hope.)
>>340229448
I have a 280x and I get about 45fps average on Crysis with everything maxed out.
My friend has a 970, same deal with him. Crysis would never run maxed out on a console without optimizing the game specifically for consoles (like they did for Xbox 360). The game is just so badly optimized. I don't undertand how a 7 year old game runs that bad on a 970.
>>340229448
You aren't playing it at max.
That's a dumb question, isn't it?
I mean, of COURSE graphics are better. Compare Dark Souls 1 or 2 to Bloodborne or Dark Souls 3.
Or The Last Of Us to Uncharted 4.
There is CLEARLY a pretty sizable gap in graphics quality.
The problem is, it's not the MASSIVE, UTTERLY ERA DEFINING, PARADIGM SHIFTING leap that we experienced with the jump from the SNES era to the N64, or the N64 to the Gamecube.
Hell, the leap from PS2/Gamecube/Xbox era to 360/PS3 era wasn't THAT spectacular either, just bigger resolutions and more normal maps.
So was there a leap in graphics? Of course there was. The only people who don't think so either have no idea what they're talking about, or were simply spoiled by growing up in an era when graphic leaps were synonymous with massive paradigm shifts in game design
>>340230043
I don't think it's THAT bad, I definitely agree that it should run better but it uses pretty dense and high quality vegetation even by today's standards.
>>340230043
>like they did for the xbox
You mean:
>trees have no shadows when break
>half of the total assets
>textures are also half the res
>physics dumbed down Dps
Its litreally playing on low.
>>340230302
1920x1080 with everything on very high in DX10 with 2xMSAA. I get over 30fps but it's still not great.
And you're right, I'm not playing it on max because I'm not really playing it. I only installed it as a morbid curiosity because when it came out it raped my 8800GTX and it was $5 years ago on Steam.
>>340230321
>Compare Dark Souls 1 or 2 to Bloodborne
>>340230321
Man, I will never forget the massive leap from PSX to PS2. Holy hell that was mind-blowing.
I mean, take any screenshot of Silent Hill and compare it to Silent Hill 2. Insane difference. Then compare SH2 to SH3 and it's another huge leap in the very same generation.
>>340230480
>everything on very high
Again, you didn't max it out.
>>340230043
acording to some developers it has a problem related to low frecuency shit and cpu handling.
it runs slow because is bad coded, like cpded to never be played in a perfect way
go look for a software called "TimerResolution"( is like 100kb)
that shit forces the cpu to have lower & stable intervals.
while is running.
magiclly crysis runs faster
and microphone has less noice.
>>340230704
Crysis 1 only has 4 quality settings.
>>340220352
>when will japan catch up to making games that look alright but play like shit
>>340228863
What is Freezing the frame to add post processing effects + switching resolution?
Unless you can get a direct fucking picture, I'm called pre-rendered.
>>340230853
Good joke you retard.
>>340230923
Per setting it only has 4 dipshit, Very High is the maximum
>>340230612
Here's your (you), don't spend it all in one place
>>340231074
Hahahahaha holy shit you're retarded.
Compare Ratchet & Clank A Crack in Time to R&C 2016. It has half the frames but it is gorgeous.
>>340230853
If you never touched the *.ini
You have lots of shit to play with in there.
This is the only way to actually max out crysis.
>>340231074
Don't bother responding to him, he's clearly deliberately being antagonizing. I actually thought it was hilarious when you said "and you're right, I'm not playing it on max" because all he could respond with was "again, you didn't max it out" pretending that he had something more to argue with you with. He was so desperately hoping you wouldn't admit you didn't max it that he genuinely pretended he didn't read your post when he responded to it.
>>340231074
not everything is in a menu
>>340231235
>>340231248
oh fuck off, you know exactly what I meant you retard.
I wouldn't play Crysis even if it ran at 120fps, the shooting sucks balls and it is not fun.
>>340231074
Just took this now.
Im seing a 5th option here...
>>340231342
I know. You didn't play it at max you fucking fag.
>>340231074
Now bump up the .ini settings for absolute max.
>>340231336
Are you seriously trying to say Dark Souls and Bloodborne aren't wildly different in graphic quality? Are you trying to say that with a straight face? Seriously?
>>340231439
What could it mean.......
>>340231478
You're autistic
I for one am glad Crytek has been relegated to making shitty f2p games after the disaster that was Ryse. They deserve it.
>>340231707
t. mad sperglord proven wrong
>>340231617
Imho the Chromatic aberration makes Bloodborne look worse.
I'm not saying it's 100% worse, but if i could turn that effect off i'd turn it off before starting.
>>340225270
There's a gif floating around of Smash 3ds's photo mode replacing models entirely
>>340231617
Yes because it's true. BB looks like last-gen garbage just like any From Software game.
>>340231649
>mfw every single guide i saw was shit
This is good material, ill save it for later tests, i allways downloaded a premade config, and start from there.
but with this i could go from scractch.
>>340231920
Is this the gif.
>>340231779
> t.
shitposter bot go home.
>>340232098
Yeah that's the one.
Also before anyone spergs out and goes all NINTENDO DOES BULLSHOTS IN-GAME and shit, Just know that this is Level of Detail Culling, and it's something literally every single fucking game does, and the fact that you can't even tell it's happening outside of very specific circumstances, on a Nintendo 3DS game, is impressive as fuck.
I have this one from forza, same idea.
In photomode they replace everything.
>>340217835
How Can Video Games Be Real If Our Computers Aren't Real?
>>340232443
>Just know that this is Level of Detail Culling
Fuck you it isn't. That model is radically different you apologetic fag.
>>340232467
It's still an in-game screenshot. The game is producing those visuals. I don't get why people get so autistic over this.
>>340217835
I've always thought about a theoretical game that has an image for every possible event in game, and will jump around from frame to frame based on what you do.
>>340232467
one that's super guilty of this is Drive Club on PS4, unlike a lot of games though it actually shows you that it's processing an image, so it doesn't even render this in realtime, kek
>>340232556
>Failing to understand LoD so much
anon i think you might have the downs.
>>340216020
I mean if you Dont see the difference between uncharted 3 and 4 then idk what to tell you.
>>340232556
>That model is radically different
You're right.
Because that's exactly what LoD FUCKING IS.
>>340232621
Then.... why put the shitty model in the 1st place, if the thing "CAN" show that much detail???because in photomode, physics and other shit goes of, and leave room for stuff like that
>>340232621
Because its one thing to render a single frame with great visuals, Another to have it smooth 60 with the same fidelity.
>>340232621
Because rendering one fucking still frame over a 10 second period is very different to rendering 60 frames every single second and having to deal with game logic, you idiot.
Fuck, I know you're baiting but I can't fucking help myself.
>>340232556
YOU SEE THAT MOUNTAIN???
IT'S RADICALLY DIFFERENT
>>340225067
>it's clearly easy if they do it for free
>>340232703
>>340232727
>>340232869
>LOD
>Smash Brothers
jesus christ
>>340232951
I'm sorry you're so retarded anon. Get well soon.
>>340232887
But it's true, if it takes effort, why aren't they selling their mods?
>>340232850
I think he is not, because he dont understand what is going on.
>only a portion of the track is being rendered, the game dosent need to load the rest of the track or the cars
>everything is freezed, so no physics calculations or anything
>the entire sound engine goes to a pause
And there you have enough computah power to render the car as it should look, or at least like they put them in the bullshots everyone see.
>>340232951
>what is optimization
You thought that wee U shit was capable of render something decent, and keeep 60fps???
>>340232553
You know. You could probably do that in 12 polygons.
Is it possible that mapmakers are responsible for the reduced amount of content in modern games, due to the amount of detail they have to put in a level?
If so, why can't they rely on procedural generation and parallax/displacement mapping to handle minor details?
>>340233162
They're not allowed to under the EULA
>>340232930
This shit never gets old.
>>340216020
Resolution and Texture quality make the biggest differences nowadays, and the PS4 really doesn't do either very well.
>>340232951
The game's camera moves forward and back depending on how far characters are from each other. It can vary between showing 1/3 of the stage to all of the stage. LODs are nessessary when the camera is far back.
Grafix aren't just polygon count it's also lighting shadows AA particle effects etc. Not to mention how many high polygon items you can put on screen at once. You can't tell me that you can't tell the difference between lighting on a ps3 and a ps4.
>>340228631
this tbqh
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>>340233315
I wanna play this remastered version. It looks like it'd be fun
>>340228631
>what is tesselation
>>340220352
I see this being posted all the time and I can't even tell if it's serious or not. Is it just made for the purpose of falseflagging or trolling?
All the examples to the right look better than the examples to the left, yet it wants to imply that there is a clear difference in the opposite direction and that's just completely ridiculous.
>>340233280
So modders are doing it for free because they're cucked by Bethesda? lol no wonder the modding comunity is dying no one have any sort of spine
>>340233615
Shame i didnt save more of this pics.
>>340217835
dummie
>>340216020
I can't really tell a difference. Sure the frame rate is better but not even many games can do that like FFXV.
I think graphics are as good as they need to be. Just focus on making actual good games now. Improving the consoles isnt needed.
the number of polygons isn't everything
>>340218405
Fuck man haven't you ever used an ENB?. If you have the raw power to throw at a game you can make it look incredible.
>>340220352
The difference is that all but one of the games on the left are on PC. Meanwhile, only one of the right is on PC. Japan makes better games than the west, and they don't make games for PC...
>you fell for the PC meme
>>340226732
Looks like a SNES game.
>>340233760
Where do you think that le mods will fix it meme comes from.
Bethesdrones will deny it, and use it as ammo
>we have mods and consoles dont
More like
>we both have a broken game but i have the job to fix it
>>340233896
True, if textures and lighting is done right, polygons are more like the shit that kills the uncanny valley, but not more.
>>340233954
Five are on the left are on PC you dingus.
Jap stuff is true though, although they are getting better, slowly.
>>340233903
forgot your picture
But this one is gta4
>>340234296
Oh, so the one game is Wild? I assumed it was FC Primal. What's the fishing one?
>Japan is getting better with PC
...exclusively by porting old games. You know, games that are no longer relevant. Japan will never make games for PC, let alone for consoles other than Sony's. 8th gen is going to be the resurgence of Japanese games, and almost none of the currently announced Japanese games will be on PC. At least, not within a few years, when those games are old, busted, and spoiled.
>>340221314
Dual 580s could probably pull off games at that time at 4k/30 with higher settings than a PS3
>>340228863
this one looks terrible though
>>340234708
>Japan will never make games for PC, let alone for consoles other than Sony's
team ninja was exclusive to the 360 for a while
>>340234708
One of those is either Wild or Far Cry and there's Uncharted 4 up on the left as well. The rest are all on PC.
>>340234716
Wouldn't surprise me, the 580 was actually a really beastly card for the time. Even by today's standards it's not that bad.
>48 ROPs
>384-bit memory bus
>3 billion transistors
shit was a beast
>>340235135
Because Microsoft paid them. It says a lot about Japan's console market when you LITERALLY have to pay developers to stop sucking Sony's dick dry. There IS no contest in Japan, the Wii U is irrelevant, the Xbox is dead, Windows is a porn box. That only leaves PlayStation, and WHAT A FUCKING COINCIDENCE that ALL Japanese games come to that console, and HOLY SHIT, all Japanese gamers own a PS4!? Holy crackers!
That's like saying 'no one makes games for Linux because everyone already uses Windows'. Windows has a monopoly on operating systems much like how PlayStation has a monopoly in Japanese console gaming.
>>340235578
This here is the real reason why PS4 is winning as hard as it is. There are millions of gamers who want to play the next KH, or the next FF, or the next whatever japanese series, Dark Souls. It's Japanese, so it's going to be on PS4. It might be on Xbone, it might be on Wii U, but that's not a surefire guess. If you buy a PS4, you're getting the quality japanese games.
>>340235578
>Because Microsoft paid them.
so? you said "never", that's demonstrably false and i was calling you out on it. also platinum game, a japanese dev, is making an exclusive for xbox one. quit spouting dumb shit.
>>340236102
And yet, despite Japanese support being the sole ace in the hole Sony has, they're more concerned with pampering western developers. Not that they don't appreciate them, they KNOW the Japanese developers simply have no other choice.
Hell, this was true with Sega. Nintendo had all the major Japanese developers on their side, while Sega only had a few, namely Technosoft and Toaplan. However, Sega had to place their bets on the West, since the westerners are no strangers to multiplatform game development. They were irrelevant in Japan, but the EU and USA market helped their leverage. Hell, even Sony had to depend on western games because Nintendo had a chokehold on Jap devs. Spyro and Crash being the console's first hits is proof of this, which caused Japanese developers to jump from Nintendo.
In short, the west is a free market, Japan is a prison where all the inmates have no choice but respect the big bad who beat up the old boss.
>>340225270
One of the Mii Plaza games saves screenshots at a higher resolution than the 3DS is capable of displaying.
nope , just a big lie to get you to buy another unit doom 4 looks worse then 3 .
>>340237539
NO... I DONT WANT THAT...
He looks like him actually.
>>340228631
I seriously never understood why someone would ever become so assblasted as to make this chart. All it ever really highlights is that a skilled modeller can naturally make better models than an unskilled modeller. Which is obvious.
But it doesn't actually do squat to argue against diminishing returns.
>>340219253
>Witcher 2 on Xbox has similar graphics
You can't possibly say this without providing a screenshot
>>340223625
how many games actually have shiny eyeballs though
>>340238432
You're an idiot. The chart is showing the flaw in the original image - subdividing a model doesn't make it more detailed. It actually makes it smoother.
For the image to be accurate, it should be presenting four models, each made at the polycount they're at. Otherwise, you're falsely attributing the negative aspects of one phenomenon - subdivision - to a different phenomenon, that being increased polycounts.
>>340217620
>>340218735
No matter the dev mentality you won't see much progress like this.
In the past when hardware got better you could easily make new models and game assets that you simply couldn't have before and it was a clear difference that was immediately distinguishable.
But in this example here about multiplying by 10 really doesn't work in practice unless we're talking about straight up copy pasting or otherwise reusing assets.
The people making the assets still need to be paid, and making ten times the number of assets isn't exactly free nor does it fit within sensible development cycles.
This is why you aren't seeing as striking improvements if any in terms of graphical fidelity anymore. Nor even seeing great leaps in doing more with the graphical fidelity we already had.
Forget about hardware limitations for a moment. Hardware has come to the point that the more striking limitation is not the hardware itself, but the limitations of the developers making the actual assets.
>>340239012
>subdividing a model doesn't make it more detailed. It actually makes it smoother.
Nothing else is ever really implied though.
Do people honestly look at the image and assume that it automatically becomes more detailed or something? No. That's ridiculous.
It just illustrates a problem of diminishing returns, and >>340228631 honestly only highlights it even further.
They're both showing that diminishing returns are indeed a thing.
>>340223625
he look so lifeless....
>>340217532
>implying
Framerate isn't being targeted to 30fps because the console can't handle 60.
Even the NES could handle 60fps.
It's being targeted because people like you, who actually care, are extremely niche and 60fps isn't worth the trouble for anything other than fighters or other games that actually NEED it.
>>340240202
>Framerate isn't being targeted to 30fps because the console can't handle 60.
except it is, or they wouldn't give you the option to play 60 fps with half the resolution like some recent games
>>340217532
The PS4 was a huge mistake. Sony should have just jumped straight to whatever the PS5 might be.
>>340240454
>Having graphic options in consoles
I remember gran turismo 4 on ps2 let you chose the reslolution, and could go up to 1080i wich is 1920x1080 at 30fps interpolated at 60.
This is the only example i remember.
But nowdays it will confuse retards, and show them that 60fps looks good actually, better than higher detailed cinematic 24fps.
Its not convenient, thats why it wont happen.
>>340240454
But then there are games that run at 1080p60fps on the exact same hardware.
I mean, there's a lot more to it than just ticking a box and hoping it works. Textures, models, particles, lighting, physics, anything that could possibly be running at any given moment in a game.
But the hardware itself is not incapable of 60fps.
If a dev wishes it, they can make it happen.
But there's a thing that happened with Insomniac, and I'm sure it's what happened with many other developers.
Insomniac targeted 60fps on Ratchet & Clank ever since the first game.
But after A Crack in Time, they stopped. Not because they couldn't (the next Ratchet was on PS3 as well), but because it simply wasn't worth the bother.
Nobody noticed.
Nobody cared.
Sales and reviews were not made better.
So they just dropped 60fps and went with the easier-to-achieve 30fps for all the games after ACiT.
These games COULD have been 60fps.
It's just that nobody cares, so why bother.
>>340240021
the diminishing returns don't even hold if you have enough geometry to model microscopic details like scratches and pores. The thing is, those are almost always more efficiently done using texture mapping techniques. He is right, the picture is misleading, because there IS added detail in the first two models, but the rest only smooth the mesh.
>>340221807
The second picture isn't an in-game render.
>>340241112
>the diminishing returns don't even hold if you have enough geometry to model microscopic details like scratches and pores.
How so? At that point you're talking about details no one is likely to even see without zooming in and or studying things carefully. That is basically the definition of diminishing returns.
>>340217620
DEBUNK IMAGE
NOOOOOOOO DELETE THIS
I NEED MUH REMASTERS OF 3-YEAR-OLD GAMES THAT WERE ALREADY HD
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>340241712
Are you joking? Just using light to play off the structures will give you loads more perceived detail> This is the difference between having a scar that's just a flat texture on a smooth arm and having a modeled scar.
>>340241712
no. Microsurface geometry, if sampled correctly, would actually simulate many of the effects we get with normal maps today. You don't need to zoom in on a rough brick to see that it is rough. Without texture mapping, a low poly brick is impossible to make rough.
>>340233187
>wee U shit
That was the 3DS you fucking retard
>>340240816
GT4 wasn't actually 1080i though, it rendered at approximately 480p and upscaled, and the 480i mode only worked in time trial mode.
Original Xbox had some games that could output 1080i as well but iirc it was only like 5 titles.
>>340242340
err, the 1080i mode only worked in time trial*
>>340242151
or just use normal maps instead of wasting geometry budget on a scar
>>340242182
>>340242151
>if sampled correctly, would actually simulate many of the effects we get with normal maps today
So not that big of a difference. What striking differences would you get that would somehow be a huge leap?
And even if we are talking about visual improvements, it would hardly be a huge leap. It would be just about a step.
>>340216290
So the consoles you grew up on?
>>340216020
Polygons are not the determining factor of how good a game looks. It's mostly in the lighting and animation.
We are still a long ways off from global illumination, not "global illumination" that they are shilling in modern games. I'm talking about full ray tracing with reflection and refraction support.
>>340242458
>geometry budget
Hey steve I need you to model a scar
FUCK, SHIT MAN THAT'LL TAKE HOURS
>faggots actually think minor details will somehow massively increase the time and effort needed to model
>>340242067
How do these compare to the PC versions? Part of me wants to say that RE6, Dishonored, Deadpool, Borderlands, Payday 2, and SR4 look better on console than the vanilla PC versions, since Sony and MS can buy better graphics.
>>340242708
Are you retarded? These are all just making use of the higher settings from PC. It's the "Definitive editions" that redo a lot of the assets to make them worse.
>>340242473
obviously in the presence of texture maps it wouldn't make a big visual difference. Aren't we talking about the visual improvement afforded by JUST increases in polycount, which the Beethoven example fails to illustrate correctly? It seems pointless to try to explain this further, though.
>>340242458
i meant budget as in how many polygons can be rendered mantaining a good performance.
Just look at this example, The 3rd model would never be used in a game, like a finely modeled scar wouldn't, because it's a waste or resources
>>340242960
>>340242705
wrong reply
>>340242793
You sure? I wouldn't put it past them if the console versions were entirely reworked with all new assets, especially considering how often developers ported the last gen versions of games to PC. Not to mention how, like I said, the platform holders can get in bed with publishers and cut a deal.
>>340227116
implementing nvidia based proprietary code is much harder than just making a plain and putting a texture on it. A flat 3d surface takes no special consideration, using 3d volumetric effects requires a supported gpu, enough gpu power to run it, enough cpu to run the cpu side of volumetric effects, code implementation so the engine can support it, and debugging all that code.
If it's done early in development it can be reasonably done in time but if a project is already in the works, implementing gpu based physics is a giant pain in the ass.
There is a pretty clear difference between the PS3 and the PS4. It may not be as huge of a jump as PSX to PS2 or PS2 to PS3, but it's there.
Ratchet & Clank: A Crack in Time (PS3) on the left,Ratchet & Clank (PS4) on the right. Not entirely equivalent screenshots but it was the best I could find. ACiT still looks great, but R&C on PS4 looks even better. PS3 could not do a city like R&C PS4's Metropolis.
>>340220352
>cutscene models vs gameplay models
k
>>340243564
those cutscenes are still in-engine and not pre-rendered
>>340242804
>Aren't we talking about the visual improvement afforded by JUST increases in polycount
No. We're talking about how increased polycounts at this doesn't by itself provide a huge enough leap of graphical fidelity to be a real leap.
Yes you can make small improvements everywhere and things can always be improved upon, but these improvements are never "wow!" anymore because the relative improvements are just so much smaller than they used to be.
And why assume that the Beethoven image is "JUST" about polycounts? You can visually see in its examples that it's not just an added polycount and it should be obvious. It's about how said polygons are used. But even all while that most certainly holds true, it still illustrates its point of diminishing returns.
Like when >>340228631 takes it even further and adds a whole bunch of new examples as well as adding even more details to it with more work, it just validates >>340216020 even further because in spite of the additional work put into it the difference between >>340216020 and >>340228631 is still slim. Even if >>340228631 looks better.
>>340220352
The left is full of screencaps and promotional pics during in game scenes where higher quality models are being used and not gameplay models.
Right is full actual gameplay screens.
This is so intentionally biased and deceptive it has to be bait.
>>340243101
Nah man, remastering is a giant scam. Tomb Raider DE, one of the more massively different editions, still couldn't reach max settings PC level of detail
>>340220352
>realism is the best!
Yeah fuck that. An interesting style will hold up longer than any attempt to recreate reality.
>>340243224
>but if a project is already in the works
You know how much copypasta is in this shit and also know that in early development the "art director" becomes the "dictator"
There is no early development, because its more engine related than the game it self.
Like taking gamebryo and rename it creation engine because we did some touches here and there to "update it", and that update were because it started to look like a ps1 game in 2007 when the BLOOM and post process shit started to appear. not to improve what they had, more to not look too outdated.
Just look at the quality of the animations in fallout 4, thats the limits of the engine and also shit quality control, not in the levels of dragon age cisquisition, but still pretty shi.
Its the same method aplied to another stuff.
Why improve the engine we have when people will buy my shit even if it looks like crap???
>>340244094
Just wait anon, ray tracing in real time is on the other side of the street
>>340218981
This is clearly an NES title just 'up-resed' to 1080p.
Uncharted 4 has set a graphical benchmark that all consoles, and PCs for that matter, should aspire to. If you are going for graphics that is. I've been playing games solidly since the mid 1980's and I still can't believe that THIS is what games are now. I remember when Mortal Kombat was the most REALISTIC game ever. I love my PC, but there isn't anything out there like Uncharted 4. The fact that Naughty Dog can get that kind of quality out of the PS4 should impress everyone that understands the specs of the PS4. How in the fuck they got a game like that on my PS4 without turning my PS4 into a fucking fireball, I'll never know.
>>340243956
Lara does look different, though not necessarily better. I know DmC is more or less the PC version with a few mods, and I do find it funny how the mods that addressed the 'issues fixed' in DE suddenly vanished. Also, GoW UE looks leaps and bounds better over the vanilla PC version, though UE was also ported to PC.
What I'm saying is, PC has the odds stacked against it. It has no one to buy AAA exclusives, it has no one to bias games to it, it has no one to buy exclusive DLC, it has no one to buy it timed exclusivity, and it has zero presence in Japan. 8th gen is when Sony and MS discovered PC's biggest weaknesses and started taking potshots at it in an attempt to make it irrelevant.
>>340244450
and this is the actual NES game.
>>340243423
a better comparison would've been Into the Nexus
it was only 30 fps, which did allow them to make it look better than Crack in Time to be fair
ItN was one of the best looking ps3 games in my opinion, it's no Last of Us or GT6, but it does look real pretty
>>340220352
only two of the images on the left are actually real, the rest of them are obviously pre rendered promotional advertisements.
>>340223407
duh
>>340244342
>Just wait anon, ray tracing in real time is on the other side of the street
I don't care anon.
Like I said. A fun, interesting style means a lot more to me. I mean look at this shit
>340243423
>>340216020
This image is taken so far out of context it's pathetic.
The 60,000 triangle one is a smoothed version of the 6,000 triangle one.
It was smoothed. It wasn't given more detail. It doesn't look more detailed because it literally has no more detail.
>>340230906
You are an absolute moron. That is how the game looks, and his screen shot isn't actually that good anyway. The game looks better in motion. First it was "No way in hell is the game going to look anywhere near that good", and then it was "It's getting a huge downgrade". Then it came out and suddenly it the conversation turned into thread after thread of Nadine. If you think Uncharted LOOKS bad, then I will assume that you need corrective lenses. Not liking what Uncharted at it's fundamental level is one thing, but to say it looks bad is objectively wrong. Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts2am8WRBXQ
>Sony defense is out in full force
I'd be saying the same damn thing if this were a game on the PC, WiiU, or XBOXONE. Or any other console.
I think there are a lot of games out that, in terms of gameplay mechanics, really could be done on the PS2. They won't look as good, but they would play the same.
>>340245050
You got it wrong.
With photorealistic lighting, you still can do whatever you want in the art direction, but it both make the process more simple, and leave room to do something else, making the overall far better.
Look at pixar movies, they have photorealistic lighting, and still they are... disney cartoons.
Its not the same as doing something as boring and realistic as possible.
>>340244751
That's true, Into the Nexus looked really nice.
>>340224150
They why is it that I can have a bazooka and Barok equipped during the supposed 'pre-rendered' scene? Or different outfits? This shit is rendered in game. You wouldn't know that because you are too busy with power points and spreadsheets.
>>340245074
Wow, I read that infograph, too. I'm glad we're all professionals here.
>>340243423
nigger please, into the nexus looks almost as good as the new ratchet, it just doesn't have as many shaders or pbr.
>>340224056
Don't bother. It is a losing battle. The goal posts will be thrown into space, or you will be ignored entirely.
dumb question but why triangles?
>>340225270
The Playstation share button doesn't add any effects to the image. The guy posting pics of Uncharted for in here isn't using the in game 'photo-mode', or he's using another method of capture. Uncharted has very good graphics. I'm still not sure how that is even up for debate? I'd be happy to play a game with graphics and performance like that on any PC or console.
>>340246921
Uncharted doesn't even have ambient occlusion. The graphics are laughably bad.
>>340246667
they're the easiest and most flexible simple shape
>>340246667
Is there anything with less than 3 edges and have surface???
>>340226367
Does this game have color in it? I wouldn't mind seeing something with color.
>>340227792
Maxed Crysis barely ran on anyone's PC. Still doesn't. That game was the fucking benchmark of how good your machine was back then, and the fact that it still is, says a lot about PC gaming.
>>340247398
It says a lot about lazy game development and purposefully hindering its progress.
>>340216020
it's getting harder to notice but some games will still wow me every now and then
this is how Uncharted 4 looks in terms of poly count
>>340230906
You can get a direct picture using the share button. You can get an even better quality picture if you change it to save as a higher quality PNG file. For whatever reason most people don't mess with that setting.
>>340222769
Any developer that matters would already focus on the rest of the game.
there is a noticeable difference, but the graphical jump gets smaller with each generation
>>340247567
>use 1.2gb of vram
>use 60% of the gpu
>use 30% of the cpu
Back then 1.2-1.5GB of vram was alot, it was on the 256-512MB era..
Look at any newer PC game
>use 6gb of vram
>use use 40% of the cpu because shit development at multicore
>use 100% of the gpu
>somehow looks worse
Crysis is like 10 years old, and it aged very very well...
Is there any other game with that level of physics and graphics that can hold for 10 years because the initial specs were so high that they needed to lock it???
Most of the newer games dont give a fuck about this, they will even downgrade the PC version to dont make the gap with the console version too big (see watchdogs fiasco)
>>340230657
Cutscenes specifically use higher quality models since they can choose to render specific parts of the map. On top of that the textures are pretty average for PS2 to compensate.
>>340248319
The textures in that game are some of the best on the system.
>>340233315
How did they fuck up the 'remaster' of these games so fucking badly? I would have purchased them, but Christ almighty. I still have a PS3 and all the games there if I get the itch to play.
>>340248401
I suppose you're right. I should look at more PS2 textures.DQ8 has the best textures though.
>>340248471
This proves that the ps4 cant even play older PC games at max without special touches.
>>340248583
DQ8 textures are pretty bad the majority of the time. Rogue Galaxy and Radiata Stories shit on it while using the same graphical style.
>>340248292
>they will even downgrade the PC version to dont make the gap with the console version too big (see watchdogs fiasco)
Question. Are there ANY multiplats that look significantly better on PC than on console? It appears that all multiplats are built for console specs first and foremost, and the highest settings being barely better than what consoles have.
>>340217620
the problem is that now you also now have to do 10 times the number of lighting calculations
>>340248808
besides crysis.. i cant recall any other.
Maybe, games based on unreal engine, but i cant tell.
Games definitely do look better than last gen, but it's nowhere near as big a leap as it was between 5th gen and 6th gen. 8th gen is just 7th gen polished up nice and shiny. By 9th gen we can hope that console hardware races will have ended, and then by 10th gen every console game will be consistently 60fps.
>>340247910
So high quality models, flat everything else?
>>340235578
The Japanese are an extremely isolationist society, and don't want much from the western world. Uncharted actually has a fairly large fanbase in Japan which is really crazy considering it is about as 'western' as you can get. I remember one night playing Uncharted 2 multiplayer and there was a Japanese house wife that couldn't speak a word of English. I wish I got her screen name. She's probably playing Uncharted 4 now. Or died in the tsunami. Now I'm sad.
>>340248651
>>340248471
Remasters that are worse than the original PC version:
Sleeping Dogs
Tomb Raider
Metro
Deus Ex
Devil May Cry 4
Every Square-Enix game compared to how it was emulated
Anything else?
As for a good remaster I can only think of Valkyria Chronicles.
>>340248808
Most of them do, you just have to increase the resolution and subtly adjust some values(sharpening, contrast, etc) using software(like sweetfx or your gpu panel/software). On top of those default "im better than u" toggles most multiplatform games have settings that go above the console's medium settings. An example of that was MGSV which looked much better on PC maxed out.
>>340216020
Stuff like character models are very similar but ambient effects and less-noticeable stuff have improved greatly.
It's pretty amazing how good some games look in motion these days. It's not like before where the changes were immediately obvious, it's a bunch of small improvements that effect the bigger picture as a whole.
>>340249237
You actually have that backwards and motion blur doesn't make games look better, you just have shit taste.
What's with the 'uncharted looks AMAAAAZING' meme that popped up recently?
I just played through BFBC 2 and the jungles looked better than most of the uncharted screenshots.
>>340216020
Yes, and you're autistic if you can't. Resolutions and frame rates will continue to improve along with overall fidelity in the future. Don't fall for the "games won't look better" meme.
>>340249059
>The Japanese are an extremely isolationist society, and don't want much from the western world.
Except their money. Most Japanese games sell FAR better in the west than they do in Japan, which is why they've targeted the 360 last gen and PC as of recently. Still incomparable to the support the Supreme Leader gets, though.
>Uncharted actually has a fairly large fanbase in Japan which is
>a Sony IP is huge in Japan
>a company who quite literally controls all aspects of Japanese media
hold the fucking presses
>>340241030
This. Exactly this. Why bothering going through all the extra trouble to please the 600 /v/ users, when you can lock a game at 30fps and the millions of people that buy the game just don't give a shit about FPS. I'm glad that more devs are understanding this. I don't mind games that run at 30fps, as long as they were made to run that way.
OP image should be a fucking instaban
>>340216020
I am fine with 7th gen graphics.
I am fine with 6th and even 5th gen graphics.
I simply want to play "fun" games.
It is easier however to make a game look more pretty than have actual work put into refining the gameplay and expanding the content of the game.
Pretty games appeal more to the casual market much like stunningly shot black buster movies that lack substance themselves.
It is terrible, but it fills seats and the numerious bullshots many of us will see in about 6 days at E3 will definitely sell some games to casuals who will have those games pre-ordered after the shows.
I don't give too many fucks about graphics.
What I do care about is 1080p 60fps and if a modern game can't do that I do not give a fuck about how many triangles there are on a person's mo-capped fucking face in whatever "cinimatic exsperience" a triple-A studio is trying to sell me.
>>340249019
yes, but the flat surfaces still appear to have a layer of (destructable) depth to them in-game because of the POM
>>340249335
>You actually have that backwards
What, you think games look worse?
I mean, if you think so, I guess.
>motion blur doesn't make games look better, you just have shit taste
I didn't say anything about blur, I said games look better in motion than ever before.
>>340216020
Are you all forgetting just how shitty the PS3 looked early on in the gen?
>>340241030
>>340249495
Most console games that are locked to 30fps don't even hold 30fps throughout the game and 60fps is objectively beter and more graphically pleasing to the eyes.
Don't defend shitty hardware and graphics obsessed developers. You are fucking cancer if you do.
>>340247025
Sure. Make sure to take good care of your seeing eye dog. Those mother fuckers are expensive. How do you play video games using braille anyway? I'm curious.
>>340216020
No shit. that's why PC gaming can't take off. there's no difference in graphics from ps4 to PC.
>>340250027
>he believes this
>>340248801
I want a cat...
Does anyone know of games that use a style like the image for 60 triangles in the OP picture?
I know the king's field games do, but I'm looking for something I haven't burned through a dozen times
the animation in games is getting really good nowadays. I remember being extremely impressed by GTA 4's ragdoll animations, and recently I've been pretty impressed with Uncharted 4's movement animations
>>340226367
which crysis is this? I liked crysis gameplay up until you had to fight the fucking aliens
>>340249919
>60fps is objectively beter
True, but the majority of games don't need it.
And the majority of gamers do not notice it.
>and more graphically pleasing to the eyes
Opinion.
Depending on the context, I think 60fps has a "too smooth" effect on animations. I remember the character inserts in Wonderful 101 always looked weird to me.
>>340250379
>the majority don't notice it
That's bullshit
>too smooth
Now you are flat out guzzling down the excuses given to you by developers.
>>340250359
but those animations are shit, he's sliding on the ground and when he presses the cover button the game says fuck you to physics.
>>340249919
Uncharted 4 stays solid at 30fps. You have to do quite a bit to make it drop, but even then it is momentary. Digital Foundry did a pretty in depth video on it. MGSV also runs at 60fps on the PS4, and I don't think it ever drops.
60fps is absolutely subjective. I like it fine, but I also like 30fps fine. Framerate is only a problem when it is shifting wildly. Thankfully most modern games don't have that problem.
what the fuck happened? games like onimusha, DMC1 and MGS2 looked pretty good back then AND ran at 60 fps most of the time on the fucking PS2. i just don't get how it's suddenly impossible to achieve the balance between graphical fidelity and performance. how hard is it to tone down the visuals a little bit to make it possible?
>>340216020
this picture is so stupid
>>340250379
Kill yourself you ignorant retard. You're not even offering an argument, you're spewing lies you read on some shitty gaming website.
>>340250640
>one game has the minimum frame rate for smooth gameplay
Okay? MGSV tries to run at 60fps and fails at it frequently.
>>340250359
I was far impressed with LA noire facial capture, at some point i thought there was some kind of wizzard editing, and the animations were a video somehow superpose into the rendered face.
The body animations were not that good, sometimes people went from moving to a complete stop in 1 frame, and go at full speed to the next animation, wich was a killer becase i was really in the uncanny valley right there.
Now with mgsv it dosent seem that good somehow, maybe its because its not the first time i saw that level of facial capture.
and still amazed of how shit are both facial and body animations in fallout4.
>>340250673
Onimusha, DMC1 and MGS2 all had devs that put their heart into the game, devs with actual standards for themselves and their players. 30fps game devs simply don't have that passion.
>>340250774
LA noire facial capture is literally just a texture
>>340216290
In terms of polygon count per square inch of screen the gen 6 and gen 7 consoles actually were about the same. The difference is gen 7 consoles had 7 times the screen real estate.
>>340216020
Polygon wise? No. I find that the PS3 is roughly equal to the PS4 in terms of looks. However, I can notice a dip in quality between PS4 games to PS3 games simply due to frame rate issues and certain filters. Compare Dragon Quest Builders from PS4:
https://youtu.be/dzwl-oyU5R8?t=10m40s
To Dragon Quest Builders from PS3:
https://youtu.be/YgWNYQM6zQw?t=13m51s
You can almost immediately notice that the PS3 one looks more dull, and slower, and has a few more jaggies than the much more vibrant PS4 version.
In terms of your picture, though? No, I hardly notice any difference.
>>340250835
Not like an entire flat texture... is it?
and still looks fucking amazing except from those forced facial expresions to let you know that he is lying or not.
>>340220352
>quit playing bargain bin trash
>posts Battlefront
>>340250981
Yeah, it really is. The mouth and everything, all just a texture
>>340250527
>That's bullshit
It's not.
/v/ makes a big stink about it, but outside of this imageboard?
Nobody fucking cares.
Trust, if the majority of consumers wanted 60fps, they would get it.
It's supply and demand.
There is no demand, therefore they do not supply.
And if you think a developer is going to go out of their way to pander to 4chan, well, you just might be delusional.
>guzzling down the excuses given to you by developers
No, this is something I have noticed on my own.
It's not something that's universal to 60fps, I dunno if it's like, certain styles of animation or what.
>>340250759
>you're spewing lies you read on some shitty gaming website.
>testimonial from an actual developer
wew
You don't have to be mad that your preferences are niche.
>>340220352
Aside from fucking Square, eastern devs generally settle on an art style before the graphics, whereas too many western AAA releases try to cram as much graffix into something and then do all sorts of stupid shit to try to make it look unique.
>>340216020
absolutely.
ps3 games don't look as good as you remember.
>>340250759
It has sporadic drops at most on PS4 and even then we are talking a one frame drop or the 'drop' during close ups on the character models. The PC also does this. You make it sound like the game is an unplayable mess, and you are very wrong. It is a very solid running game. I have it on my PS4 and my PC. And with hundreds of hours between the two I can count on one hand how many times the framerate dropped low enough to be noticed. It is a rarity.
>>340220352
God damn, that screenshot of the old fart in Crysis 3 still impresses me to this day. For an early 2013 game it looked absolutely incredible, definitely wish there were more npcs in that game. I want to take a screenshot of the part where he leans in close, because seeing every single pore closeup was so astounding to me. I don't think any game has superior character models to Crysis 3, even three years later. Sadly the actual gameplay itself was a bit mediore so I can't really recommend the game aside from gorgeous graphics.
Never thought I'd appreciate a geriatric man's face so much.
>>340251196
So, its some kind of magic trick?
Ill guess it takes far too much time to do it, and it that game was done with an actual purpose.
Feel fucking bad because of this, i knew, but still feels bad.
>they will only make that details decent because its critical for the gameplay
Fucking shit i hate videogames so much.
>>340251230
>>testimonial from an actual developer
It's called bullshit you retard and you ate it up like a fucking dipshit.
>>340251392
>The PC also does this.
I mean, if your card is weaker than a 950, than sure. If your card is 960 or higher than it sure as fuck doesn't drop frames at PS4-quality settings.
>>340251483
I don't get it. It looks good, so why does it matter how they achieved it? The LA noire ones, that is.
>>340251230
>if the majority wanted 60fps, they would get it
But they don't because people like you really and truly believe the developers when they feed you their excuses.
>>340251481
Why are they so greasy? Was KY jelly a sponsor of Crytek?
>>340251525
>>340251738
>when a developer does something I don't like, their explanation isn't an actual reason, it's complete bullshit
What's the real reason then, O wise anons?
I'm sure your extensive experience in video game development and the economics concerning its industry has given you valuable insight.
>>340250630
Watch Drake's feet though. There's almost always some kind of quick-shuffling going on anytime you'd expect him to be sliding. Even with a little sliding it still looks still better than any other game I've seen
>>340216020
Better hardware doesn't automatically mean better graphics. Nor should it. Single rendering isn't going to get a huge increase at this point. We are going to see hardware relegated to different things like AI, and rendering MORE things not just making them look better but having more of them. Also lighting and shadows have a long way to go, as well as other things like volumetric clouds and general environment renderings.
>>340251653
Most people don't have a PC that is capable of running MGSV on PS4 settings. Plenty of us do, but we aren't the normal person that buys a computer from Best Buy.
>>340251835
The hardware is garbage so they have to compromise.
>>340251835
>it's because we wanted a cinematic feel
It's because they know the hardware can't take it.
>>340251864
Assassin's Creed has done better than this for most of their games.
>>340216020
>graphics
>>340251967
>>340252037
So Insomniac targeted 30fps for Into the Nexus on PS3, because the PS3 can't handle 60fps.
Meanwhile, they had previously developed Tools of Destruction, Quest for Booty and A Crack in Time, all of which ran at 60fps on the PS3.
The hardware simply can't take it.
I see.
>>340251708
Because i need to find a reason that why no one else even cared about this since games like mgsV.
Look at cisquisition animations, those are even worse than mgs1, the ps1 version, and they won the GOTY.
Its alot of stuff that i dont get, but i understand its pure business and no soul or spine, but how people dont even mention shit like this.
Fuck we are good sheep.
>>340252196
All of which had significantly worse graphics.
>>340252250
thats the only one i had, plz post more.
>>340251882
That kind of stuff just may take a lot of time to put into it, no? It would be just a matter of focus in the development process.
>>340252196
They weren't getting anything out of the deal. It was adding tons of development time all to please a very small portion of the gaming community. Has nothing to do with hardware being weak, and everything to do with MONEY.
>>340226440
It's just a fantasy
Why are people so concerned with graphical fidelity? Who gives a shit? It's one of the least important parts of games. Art style and design are far more important.
I especially notice this with PC gamers; it's like pure graphical fidelity is the only thing that matters.
>>340252201
>it's "the future" and animations in videogames are starting to get really good
>people are suddenly more impressed with animation than they were back when it was primitive and unrealistic
what is surprising about this?
>>340251926
Sure, that's understandable. 60fps is a dramatically better experience than 30fps though, I sincerely hope a resurgence of 60fps console titles come out like the good ol' days after 9/11 where PS2 masterpieces ran at dat sweet sweet sixty. But I humbly respect your opinion to prefer 30fps and I sincerely wish you an excellent gaming experience on whichever your platform of choice is. FUCKING FAGGOT
>>340252386
still, like i said early in the thread.
Instead of making the model with 50000X more polygons, why wont they make everything in the mid-far range look better.
Like, we are still using flat sprites in shit that isnt that far.
>>340252273
ToD, sure. Though it was close to launch and everything looked pretty shit at the time.
But comparing ACiT to ItN, the difference, if any, is minimal.
>>340252535
That's pretty much what I've been saying.
>>340252646
>FFXV characters
>look like fucking queers
>100,000 tris
>trees are cardboard cut outs
>>340252535
>it was adding tons of development time
What do you think framerate is, some magical force you have to hard code into the game?
Not really, but the sharper textures and further drawing distance sure helps.
Also I take you have never played GTA Online on the PS3, shit's choppy as fuck
>>340252539
That is exactly it. PC only people harp on and on about how amazing the graphics are on PC. Most of them have some sort of superiority complex. Unfortunately for us they choose /v/ as their bitch box. I just like video games. /v/'s most favorite game is bitching and shit posting here. They could spend that time playing all the really great exclusive games their PC has, but no. The just run the newest benchmarking video game and then tear each other to ribbons. It's absolutely pants on head retarded.
>>340252606
As I do to you fellow faggot! Tetris runs at 60fps everywhere! The only drops are when I'm about to clear four lines!
>>340252539
>every fucking console squabble
>GRAPHICS GRAPHICS GRAPHICS GRAPHICS
>PC comes into the thread
>GRAPHICS AREN'T IMPORTANT
>>340252729
No, but to pretend that getting your game to run as 60fps doesn't take more development time is absolutely asinine.
>>340252724
>They could use old methods to make the grass surface looks not as flat as a plank or actual grass like they promised in the demos
>they decide that the character face should have 1 million polygons and a 2k texture despite being just a flat skin color because no one like to see polygons in the edges of the nose or the eyes and they will love to see imperfections on the skin
>the entire game looks like zelda64 but with a 450.000 polygon faces and 2k textures
This is the jaguar all over again... using buzzwords and such.
>>340252041
The mo cap is on the same level but the fine tuning is not. U4 animations have much more weight to them
>>340253145
No more time than trying to make it stable 30.
>>340253018
I'm not denying consoletards, especially those that fanboy one console, do it too but PC faggots tend to be more vocal about it.
It's just stupid priorities. If your game looks amazing but is just mediocre boring garbage then well, maybe you should have spent more time making a good game instead of making a pretty game. I'd rather play a good NES game than any AAA game nowadays honestly.
Of course it's all wishful things cause casuals are more attracted to pretty pictures than interesting gameplay, and that's where the money is
>>340252989
Oh man, that reminds me of the absolute clusterfuck that was Tetris Ultimate on PS4. It's sad as hell when devs can't even get TETRIS to run at 60fps. Granted it's obviously due to Ubisoft being absolute shit than actual PS4 hardware being inadequate. Anyway, I'm glad you appreciate games for the quality of their gameplay instead of framerate, and I wish you a wonderful evening. FUCKING SCRUBLORD
>>340216020
>dark souls soft cap
>babby runs up to his classmates in grade school "look at game xy, it has the bestest grafixx ever"
> a few months later it looks like shit
>the next game comes along and the cycle continues
>babby stops caring about teh grafixx so much
>>340224853
Los Santos is based on LA right? There ain't no trees and shit up in the mountains around LA. It's all Grass and desert. Unless you go up into Hollywood.
>>340226367
you can make shit like this in source engine too
>>340253630
Texhnolyze is art.
>>340253357
Jesus that new fucking Tetris is a goddamn abomination. Why in the hell would you add in new pieces? It fucks the game at a base level. I wish that I could get a fucking refund on that one. I thought "FUCK YEAH TETRIS", and bought it with zero research, because it's fucking TETRIS. I wish that I could say that I learned my lesson, but they'll get me again. I still want to get the Puyo Puyo Tetris crossover. Have a good night TURBO FAG!
graphics hit a plateau awhile back, you get some good faces and stuff but you are likely never going to get more 'realistic' looking than things are now, not for a long time anyway
now it's mostly about view distance and how much shit you can see on screen
you might see much more realistic enviornments eventually but realistic models are pretty much out the window at this point in time
it actually wouldn't surprise me at all to see games turn into 'movies' of sorts where they just use real people and actors instead of just the models with those shitty ball things for animation, just import an actor doing specific things and transfering it over completely rather than trying to use an animated model, right now that's honestly the only feasible seeming way to 'improve graphics' as far as models go
>>340249059
Wasn't the tsunami 2 years before Uncharted 1 came out?
>>340250809
Twitchy games like DMC have to be made to run at 60 fps because the style of gameplay demands it. It's why first-person shooters are a lot more likely to have a higher framerate cap than, say, JRPGs.
>>340255576
I was strictly speaking of the 2011 TÅhoku earthquake and tsunami. I'm glad that none of my friends died in it, but I think the death toll was close to twenty thousand. Time Warner Cable gave the Japan channel to everyone for over a month, and I watched the news everyday. It was heartbreaking. One story made me stop watching all together. It was an elderly couple that had saved up a bunch of money to finally buy a big ticket luxury item. A flat screen TV. She said the Tsunami sounded like a fucking train and she and her husband ran. Days later they were able to get back into their home, but the mud was all the way up to the fucking ceiling. It broke my heart. To this day it is the only relief effort that I've given money to. People were afraid that Kentarou Miura was in it and died. Thankfully not the case.
I think that's probably enough to end the thread. Graphics or something.
>>340256258
On the bright side, people are far less likely to die from natural disasters than they were in the past. Those old people probably had a decent retirement fund and can relocate and watch some One Punch Man on a new smaller flatscreen TV. And maybe the smaller, cheaper TV saves them from getting a headache, who knows. I mean fuck, at least that old fart has a wife, most of us on /v/ spend our entire lives being rejected from women, having to rot every day in loneliness and misery, desperately hoping something good comes along, but it never does, and each day carries on full of suffering and anguish until we finally croak over, dying sad and alone without having experienced the essential figments of happiness that define the human condition and make it worthwhile.
>>340218260
Is this why """""""""current gen""""""""" consoles are 720p-900p experiences?
>>340217835
Bees are aerodynamically incapable of flight. The only reason they keep flying is because nobody told them they can't.
>>340258295
The funny thing is, I don't even mind when current gen games are 900p or 1080p/20fps. I just want to see anisotropic filtering. Uncharted 4 would look immensely better with 16x texture filtering, it's insane how muddy most of the textures look. I mean, I think the game looks alright, but it could look massively better so incredibly easily on pc. 16x AF is apparently extremely demanding on apus where as it's legitimately a 5fps difference at absolute max on pc.
>>340218981
Is this the platformer "Pitfall!" for the Atari2600?
>>340248808
late for the party but whatever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocVyrtcTpHw
>>340222206
Don't consoles use a special screenshot mode that post-processes the output heavily to make it look better than the game in action? Like a bullshot filter if you will
>>340248918
>what is deferred lighting
>>340252539
>racing games or sims
unless its some stuff like micromachines (why no new micromachines game yet... ever??) or ignition, i would prefer the most realistic enviroment possible because of the immersion, even on games like carmageddon that has nothing to do with reality, thats why in those games the damage model is so good, but also a realistic looking game put a serious tone in it
>first person shooters
Again, unless is some game like splatoon, i will prefer the most realistic enviroment possible because of immersion.
Now, a game i love and i love even more because of the graphics it has is patapon, its 2d, its low res as shit, with Rpg elements, and in reality its just a learn the pattern and press buttons to win.
But how they can acomplish so much with so little
You have to see that... thats the goal.
Itsthe end of the map when the soil stops and the water starts, you can also see the sunshine, wich is THAT
Tl;Dr: graphics for immersion, and the rest to have fun.
>>340259121
could be.
But if you been following the thread, you will notice there is also a play with the "how much shit is in front of you" and LOD hard to notice changes.
The space in there as small and confined as possible, same happened with the new thief, you cant climb any house or anything, and you have a loading zone every 20 feet because it will force the game to show too much shit on screeen.
Same is happening here, you can put shit that goes to the sky in front of you at full detail, and they dont even have to put something more than the skybox, wich also can be reduced alot.
now, look at this pic, now sorry todd...ill say.
>see that planet and that little moon? you can go there.
Now, compare the graphics detail in both, i know space engineers is not the most optmized game, not even stable sometimes, but this is an example of a very very large "map" and the shit you have to deal with.
>you can see where the rendered grass stops
>you can see how the textures go into 3dfx mode
>you can see the lack of textures in some objets to save memory to something else.
Now, lets imagine that both have the exact same ammount of polygons, you can see why it looks that good.
>>340216020
The ps4 hardware is build in from same generation as PS3. All you get is settings from medium to high. Wait for the next generation GPs and you will see a difference.
>>340216020
> can't tell difference between ps3 and ps4 graphics
Holy shit nigger are you blind?
>>340232646
That's called a movie
>>340232930
Nice.
>>340230906
Spot the guy who's never played the game and is just making stuff up on the internet.
>>340216020
>forgetting about lighting improvements, particle effect generation, etc etc
>>340226264
>The human eye can't discern an increase in post processing or resolution!
It literally pauses the exact frame you're on and lets you move the camera. People would notice if the image instantly looked better.
>>340216020
Nah, not really.
Also, your pic is a lie.
>>340264469
You're stupid.
