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What went soright?
They were forced to design a new game with new game mechanics instead of pandering to meme spouting children which resulted in the abomination that is DaS3.
>>340153582
>retained everything that made Dark Souls great
>give it some drastic changes to make it from feeling too "samey"
>put in a fucking GOAT setting that is horribly underused in vidya
>put in a GOAT twist (Lovecraft) that is also horribly underused in vidya
>release it at a time of AAA mediocrity and cookie cutter handholding design
>Don't ruin the fan base by releasing it on PC
Everything that could have went right, went right.
The exclusivity
>>340153582
Not on PC
It's not a rehash.
I'm really tempted to just abandon souls 3 and go back to BB.
It's also sad that despite being on inferior hardware, BB is more visually impressive than 3.
New world with new laws and new rules.
excellent game
>>340153582
It's a complete and solid package in all departments with a clear and finished story behind it, unlike Dark Souls.
>>340153582
It gets boring fast
>>340154095
Was the Research Hall the best area in the game?
I think the Research Hall was the best area in the game.
>>340153582
so much that its just easier to say what went wrong
and that would be that it didnt deviate nearly enough from the tired souls formula- just ditch the idea that it needs to be a slow RPG, make lesser but better areas, develop the gun combat more and make the melee fighting more combo heavy, remove stamina, add puzzles ( great in horror games) etc
mechanics like wallrunning would be straight at home on a hunter
>>340153582
the fucking music
the DLC music is perfect :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrSft5ubTyI
>>340154414
So you sayin it needs to be just like my shonen animemes?
Post hunters bros
>>340154515
It already is but its afraid to let it truly be like that for the player just because it needs to pander to the souls fanbase
just look at Gehrman fighting
>>340154379
Maybe if you're a robin.
>>340154727
Vampire Hunter D cosplay?
>Don't ruin the fan base by releasing it on PC
based SCEJ x FROM collab. I can't wait for their next game together.
>>340155335
https://twitter.com/yosp/status/685616464229838850?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
hopefully they don't waste it on a sequel and roll with a new ip once more
>>340153582
What it did right outweighs what it did wrong so much more than any other Souls game.
DaS3 is also up there but it didn't try anything new so I really don't care for it. "No risk, no reward" perfectly describes it.
BB was already fresh with its Gothic/Werewolf/Vampire/Plague theme but it tried even harder and used them as bait for the real eldritch horror theme. No one Souls game does that and it fucking impressed me.
It was the equivalent of Flood being a thing in HaloCE. It's that extra step-up of what you thought the theme was.
DaS2 and DaS3 are nothing more than a contractual obligation for their publisher, and you can feel that. What a waste of time they were. Thankfuly FromSoft can move on to better things now.
>>340153582
Combat, art design, world design, level design, enemies, music, lore, bosses, weapons, story and setting
>>340154379
Thought it was ok. Living failures sucked balls and that art makes the area look better than it is. I was expecting something akin to Latria but it missed the mark.
>>340155512
>mfw some moba playing faggot getting salty in the comments
Makes me really glad its exclusive. Fucking brilliant.
Lady Maria, I'm a robin. Will I ever curl up and become an egg?
>>340153582
Everything.
Everything, it's a flawed masterpiece and single handedly proves that gaming isn't completely going to shit.
It's the closest thing to a Castlevania (or any old school type game for that matter) game i've played on modern day systems. It's completely different but everything in its design philosophy is damn near identical.
This is why I respect Fromsoft, they don't give a fuck about "muh open world meme", they don't give a fuck about "muh story meme". They give you a game that has all of your "Narrative/lore" in the back ground for those who genuinely want to find it.
No cookie cutter expositions, no cookie cutter QTEs, no cookie cutter cutscene every 2 seconds removing control from the player, none of that shit. Just fantastic gameplay, focuses on boss/level design and some gook magic.
>>340153582
Japan Studio. From and Miyazaki making the games they want to make and staying true to their design philosophy. For every flaw it has, I'll take it should they stay true to themselves.
I can't wait for what comes next, I'm getting nostalgic thinking about when the Project Beast webms leaked here.
>>340153582
>didn't win goty
it's shit senpai
>>340153582
Is this the PS4 babby circlejerk?
>>340153582
They had to use their brains and introduce new concepts, unlike Dark Souls 2 after the downgrade and 3.
>>340157080
>the implication is that TLOU is bad
you will only see this shit argument on /v/
>>340155860
>'Ex'-professional
Oh, god.
I just replayed it after spending 200 hours in DaS3
I didn't remember it as such a blurry mess, but after a couple of hours I got used to 30 fps and Chromatic Aberration and it's so fucking good that even Chalice Dungeons felt awesome
I mean, visual design, sound design and gamefeel are top-notch, everytime I cut something with Burial Blade or Threaded Cane I feel like I'm really tearing something's skin.
Maybe weapons in Dark Souls are too big and don't have this slick sound when they hit something.I hope there will be a PS4 Neo remaster with 60 fps without CA
They didn't have to pander to PCfats and xbonecucks, so the game itself is excellent.
Also, the graphics are better than DaS3 because of optimizing it for one platform instead of releasing it for PCuck $350 toaster builds or 900p boxes
>>340155740
>Thankfuly FromSoft can move on to better things now.
Miyazaki can move on to better things, which seems to be sci-fi. however if From Software wants to make more Souls games without him, there's nothing stopping them and he himself admitted if someone else wanted to pick the series up in a few years he wouldn't mind.
I really love the color palette. Dark Souls felt like a dark fairy tale and Bloodborne feels like illustrations in Lovecraft's books or a nightmare. DaS2 and DaS3 have too bland color palettes, compare something like Firelink Shrine or Cathedral Ward to any location from DaS2 or post-pontiff Irithyll.
>>340153685
Lol, bitter as fuck.
It's a good game.
>>340154414
>add puzzles ( great in horror games)
kill youself
>>340157769
Doesn't seem like a problem to me, considering the Dark games were the most underwhelming, appart from DaS (which doens't age too well, the second half is atrocious)
In fact it's a relief that Miyazaki and JapanStudios won't be wasting time with Darksouls, those craprier games will be relegated to BandaiNamco and B-team, while S-team makes new IPs or at the very worst new Souls-likes in a new universe like they've done so far.
Same reason why I'm not mad that Konami ditched Kojima. Now they can keep making mediocre MetalGears while he does his own thing under the banner of Sony's support (I wouldn't be surprised if he's also helped by japanstudios in some form)
>>340157467
there's just a tremendous quantity of recycled material in ds3, whereas they built literally everything in bloodborne from scratch (with the possible exception of the skeleton for the basic dog-type enemies)
it's a damn shame that the textures in bloodborne hold up better upon close inspection than in ds3, but that's what's up. everything about bloodborne just screams, "WE PUT EFFORT INTO THIS," while ds3 feels like a clipboard with a checklist on it
poison swamp
demon and lava area
skeleton area
recycled weapons differing only in cosmetics and scaling
terrible dragon boss
ornstein again! but now it's not-ornstein and it's huge!
a lot of it's SCEJ, too, i imagine; from couldn't even make the blood-staining work in ds3 on their own
>>340159468
*cough* *cough* Laurenceisaclericbeastwithfire *cough* *cough*
>>340160054
Yeah that he looks the same kind of sucks but in his second form he has totally different animations, which is more than any other souls game can say about recycled bosses
>see Bloodborne thread
>get excited and want to play Bloodborne again
but
>is the game even alive?
>framerate
>Having to go through Nightmare of Mensis, to fight bitch ass Micolash--again
>snake woods
>Rom the Vacuous Ganker
I wish they made more DLC so I could have a reason to stomach another playthrough. I'm really craving some BB right now.
>yfw if the ds3 dlc isn't amazing you most likely will be dropping the souls series forever.
I feel kinda foolish chasing this high i got from demon souls, wanting to see how the series progressed and expanded. Now i understand that Blood borne is the true spiritual successor while the dark souls series went on to just be a multi-plat cash in by the numbers game.
AND THEY STILL FUCKED THINGS UP IN DS3, THEY'VE MADE THE SAME GAME ALMOST 4 FUCKING TIMES BY NOW.
>>340157965
What? Dark Souls 2 has a pretty strong colour palette, it has strong greens, dark blues, bright oranges contrasted with bleak white and grey areas.
Unless you mean in just single areas on their own and not the game as a whole, which I guess I agree with.
>>340161610
>is the game even alive
Seen more ghost players in BB lately than I have prior when I played except maybe when TOH released
>>340157467
>wanting a same gen remaster
its called a fucking patch anon
kill yourself
>>340161610
Mensis is like a 60sec sprint tops
>rom
easiest boss in the game even the chalice version
>>340160054
okay, i'll grant you laurence is mostly recycled from the base game; so that's ~75% of a boss recycled (although the template is totally new), and possibly one enemy skeleton.
compare that shit to dark souls; it'd take me like five posts to list all the enemies, weapons, armor, rings, sorcs, pyromancies, and miracles that have just been ported in from previous games
>>340162023
not that guy, but DS2's lighting is what really fucks up the look of the game. the colour palette is much better than 3's but everything looks so flat and washed out - it's seriously ugly
never played a souls game before and the only game i have for my ps4 isblack ops 3, which came with it
should i pick up bb or wait to see if the ps4k will upgrade it to 60fps
>>340161610
Switch online setting to worldwide, still plenty of players.
>>340162224
You must either be a god, or a liar.
>>340162101
>Seen more ghost players in BB lately than I have prior when I played except maybe when TOH released
Sweet, time to boot it up.
>>340162275
Accursed brew is literally a fireball spell from dark souls
Blacksky eye is literally a soul arrow spell
>>340161970
>yfw if the ds3 dlc isn't amazing you most likely will be dropping the souls series forever.
considering DS3 is the last game...
>>340162275
>when you can't even wait until the next game to recycle a boss
>>340162643
>he believes the nips "last game" lie.
cause they've never used that line before.
>>340162439
>should i pick up bb
Yes
>or wait to see if the ps4k will upgrade it to 60fps
That would require FromSoft to patch the game, it's already more than a year old and hasn't been updated since the DLC released. They won't even fix the frame pacing issues on Dark Souls 3 and it's only like 2 months old.
>>340162525
yeah, i'll give you accursed brew; looks like the fireball animation, just sped up. new particle effect, at least. blacksky eye is functionally a soul arrow, too, but does have its own animation/effect.
>>340162703
>blue smelter demon
>royal wood is literally darkroot forest with a new coat of paint and different enemies
dlc recycling is nothing new for fromsoft; at least laurence is actually a different fight than vanilla cleric beast
>>340158031
it's better than DaS2, but not by a lot.
What is genuinely disappointing is the lore, the only parts that grabbed me were Londo, Ocelotte, and the angels, the new shit they was pushed aside for more fucking references. Who honestly fucking cares about the fading flame? Just a retread of the first game's lore.
However, like DaS2's kings fighting and falling to the curse in the various ages of Dark in the Lost Crowns, they have an opportunity to impress in DaS3's pending DLC.
And if it does it'll be 4 for 4 for From's DLCs fixing their base games.
>>340162890
i doubt they'll patch it to 60fps
but atleast it would run at 30fps without any drops
>>340153810
>>put in a GOAT twist (Lovecraft) that is also horribly underused in vidya
>>340162890
i was reading something about how sony will likely enforce compatibility patches onto devs (which should go poorly)
>>340161610
AHHH KOS, OR SOME SAY KOSMvaguely sexual moaning noises
>>340161610
bloodborne's literally the only game worth playing on the ps4 so of course it's alive.
>>340162023
Dark Souls 2 looks awesome on mods, but vanilla lightning fucks everything up.
Also there's too much of a difference between levels. You take a fucking elevator to the sky from green area to orange area.
In first Dark Souls Izalith and Archives were at least 2 hours of gameplay away from each other.
>>340153685
>this much bitter over nothing.
>>340161610
Play chalice dungeon. They're awesome if you just want some more gameplay.
Fuck some bosses though, Undead Giant with iron balls on chains is a fucking nightmare
>>340153582
I don't know, it's okay. Very overrated though.
>>340155952
never really understood that.
>>340163105
This is true, the increased CPU clock speed and GPU power could result in it pushing up to the 30fps cap more often.
>>340163146
No way they will do that, some developers aren't even in business anymore and the ones that are didn't sign up for that when they originally made PS4 games. It would piss off developers and publishers and it's not really necessary from Sony's perspective since the Neo will still play PS4 games, and it's not like adding a Neo patch is suddenly going to increase a game's sales drastically.
>>340162275
>accusing das3 of rehashing magic
>where in BB the bosses and the mob literally doing the same shit type of magic over and over again
>call of beyond
>augr
>another meteor attack
>....................
>>340163918
>Undead Giant with iron balls on chains is a fucking nightmare
literally impossible if you don't fight him at range
>>340154414
Yeah, they should also have added in cuhrazy wallrunning and combo meters with style points.
>>340163007
> the new shit they was pushed aside for more fucking references
>what is pontiff and the aldrich?
>the whole lothric kingdom story?
sound like you just being bias cunt here
>honestly who fucking care about the fading flame
allright that just confirmed it.
Old Hunters went pretty right
>>340164334
>apparently seriously implying that bloodborne's magic is somehow more recycled than dark souls 3's
pretty sure i'm being baited, but here's your (you)
>>340164553
Yeah Pontiff was cool. Aldrich however was a character that existed solely to incorporate more fucking references by eating the first gam's bosses.
They even tried to drag Bloodborne into this mess.
>>340163146
sony isn't the government, they can't force anyone to do anything without a contractual obligation, and nobody agreed to this prior to releasing games on ps4.
also, compatibility does not mean taking advantage of new hardware
if there are games in the ps4 catalog that can't be played on new hardware speeds, the more likely scenario is that the new system will have a downclocking feature to automatically limit the hardware to the old spec for running those games. in fact that feature is already present in the (unlocked) system software, because dev kits have higher specs than retail and you can set them to retail spec for testing
Deleted my Dark Souls 3 file on PS4 and gonna replace the spot with Bloodborne again. What a massive fucking disappointment.
>>340153810
Don't forget about the superb art style, anon.
>>340157965
This, 100%.
>>340165010
sound like you just being overly sensitive triggered on every little references.
>>340153582
gameplay direction is fast hunter and giant monsters, and they sticked to that
every flaw is only negative aspect of this choice
>>340165309
>>340165309
Nah mate, Nameless King is a excellent example of a callback done right, a big answer to a small mystery from the first game.
Everything in moderation, they just went overboard
just made my first webm
how'd I do
>>340164792
sure they look new for the first time, but when you see the same shit over and over again used by different bosses, npc, and mob shit kinda get stale as shit after all.
>seeing rom doing meteor attack for the first time look pretty cool
>living failure doing the exact same shit despite being a rehashed of celestial emissary
>micolash literally use the same magic previous npc and mob used while fighting against you.
>ebrietas literally use call of beyond but bigger
>>340165579
Top RIP.
>>340165579
very good
>>340165721
>>340165804
thanks
i've seen ones with some fantastic quality though, not sure what the recommended resolution and bitrates are supposed to be for maximum quality
anyone got any tips on that
>>340165570
the only thing they went overboard is certain npc selection. other than that the lore pretty much a new thing while referring previous souls lore since it was a FUCKIN SEQUEL FINAL TRILOGY AFTERALL. sound like you guys here want das3 to be sci-fi shit or something and discard everything about fire and shit.
>>340156156
>This is why I respect Fromsoft, they don't give a fuck about "muh open world meme", they don't give a fuck about "muh story meme".
>No cookie cutter expositions, no cookie cutter QTEs, no cookie cutter cutscene every 2 seconds removing control from the player, none of that shit. Just fantastic gameplay, focuses on boss/level design and some gook magic.
But reusing assets and playing "Generic Orchestra Track #356" is alright?
Meanwhile you post the biggest meme boss I've ever seen on /v/ who was absolutely uninteresting because he's just the rape horse from Berserk with a sword.
Meanwhile in NMH you have something like Henry which has the most beautiful BGM while fighting him and a absolutely great fight PS3 or Wii because he was a mysterious irish assassin that you knew about in the game, but it was a great asspull.
>>340166015
NMH is bad and you should feel bad.
I fell for the meme and thought at worst I'll have a little bit of fun, but it was awful through and through.
>>340166015
>Meanwhile you post the biggest meme boss I've ever seen on /v/ who was absolutely uninteresting because he's just the rape horse from Berserk with a sword.
good job trying to sound like you know what youre talking about and in turn simply exposing yourself for a close minded retard
your "rape horse" is literally a horse with big human eyes, youre equally retarded as the people who go into youtube comments to type "cod ripof." to every new FPS
>>340166015
>But reusing assets
How could they reuse assets when the only other Souls game prior to Bloodborne was on last gen?
>meme boss
Try playing the game faggot
>>340166015
>"Generic Orchestra Track #356"
>generic orchestra track
>generic
nigger you cannot be fucking serious right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbVEmzY5S4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9zxXN1rx0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICSk8-pJkX8
>the biggest meme boss I've ever seen on /v/ who was absolutely uninteresting because he's just the rape horse from Berserk with a sword
>saying this whilst praising no more heroes with it's average gameplay
it's not like ludwig just comes out of fucking nowhere, they allude to him tons of times throughout the base game as one of the greatest hunters of all time who got almost the entire city to rally behind him. He defined an entire age of the Healing Church hunters, had numerous weapons modeled after him, and after the disappointment of not seeing the Moonlight greatsword in the base game, seeing him whip it out in the series first ever mid-boss cutscene while he regains his humanity was fucking incredible.
but no, it's shit because it's a "meme", right?
>>340166560
>series first ever mid-boss cutscene
>forgetting O&S
>>340162439
If you played any console Souls game ever, Bloodborne doesn't run any worse than them. In fact it's one of the best performing (I know this isn't saying much, but still)
>>340166560
>first ever mid-boss cutscene
Getting ahead of your self there
>>340166843
These has to be the coolest webm I've ever seen
>>340163283
not counting the 4 I'm buying this month alone
Or the other dozen I've bought in the past 5 months.
But yeah, the only one.
>>340166009
I actually loved that Eygon and Arina were a hybrid of Garl and Astraea, and Lautrec and Anastacia. It's the perfect capstone to that type of character setup, exactly what the "final souls game" needed, nuance is key when designing callbacks.
>>340165953
I try to go for at least 1200 bitrate at 1280x720, you can usually get around 20 seconds under 3mb.
>>340166843
>psht, nothing personel kiddos
I found Bloodborne crushingly difficicult, even more so than the other Dark Souls games.
>inb4 gitgud
I've been playing Souls games since Demon's Souls released in Japanese
>>340166782
>>340166878
won't lie, totally forgot about O&S, my bad. it lacked dialogue though,and didn't have anywhere near the impact of a beast suddenly regaining his humanity and cranking the intensity of the fight up to 11. No change of name either. It existed, but it doesn't match up.
>>340153582
Gothic theme, Lovecraft theme later on, blood and gore, co-op dungeons, transforming weapons, transforming weapons, guns, exploration is something you want to do, weird, not treating your players as dumbasses, and not on PC.
Seriously, I have a gaming PC that can run everything on high, and still don´t want BB on PC even if it can run 60FPS with no loading, PC playerbase is true fucking cancer and can make anything obnoxious. Thank you Sony.
>>340167539
No worries, anon. Orphan of Kos is one of the toughest things I've ever fought in vidya.
the dlc
it fixed a ton of the issues
but it also bought about new ones, like the glaring quality difference between the dlc and the main game
in the main game you have 2 shitty, underutilised, boring nightmare areas with shitty bosses, in the dlc you have hunters nightmare with ludwig, and fishing hamlet with orphan of kos
seriously, so much of the main game is utterly boring, forbidden woods is long mucky trail through boring enemies, with a few neat shortcuts to distract you from how utterly monotonous the design feels, bygenwerth is criminally short and houses one of the absolute worst boss designs in the series, yahar'gul pre-rom is decent, memorable and Paarl is a good boss, but yahar'gul post-rom is visually more ugly from the "caked in clay red" like look of the buildings, the horrible respawning enemy encounter hordes, and the horrid boss, frontier is useless with a shit boss and tedious enemy encounters like the throwing giants and the poison, mensis has some nice level design, but it feels utterly reiterative of the main game, upper cathedral ward is also criminally short for such a promising atmospheric area, and they have an awful boss to dull the effect of meeting ebrietas, kind of like living failures-maria, witches of hemwick are terrible, and cainhurst is underutilised.
If the game was literally Central Yharnam - Cathedral Ward - Old Yharnam - Pre-rom Yahar'gul - Upper Cathedral Ward Expanded - DLC areas - Cainhurst expanded - an actual developed pthumerian city underground
With higher focus on cainhurst, the birth of yharnam through uncovering the mysteries, more focus on the pthumerians and cainhursts influence, and less focus on the eldritch plot which should have remained much, much more subtle (the encounter with ebrietas should have been an incredibly hidden boss) unless they were willing to develop an actual decent insight system.
It's sad seeing ludwig posters as well, it's like people posting artorias and claiming DaS1 has no flaw
>>340167539
Same, I don't get the easy meme.
>>340167539
it was hard in the beginning where you had to farm blood vial and bullet just to survive another boss especially when you're still trying to adapt the new change in BB. after that you pretty much breeze through every single shit anime style.
>>340167539
I found ebrietas, logarius, orphan of kos and ludwig to be the only difficult bosses, and by difficult I mean 10+ deaths
comparatively this is less than the other games, although I would certainly say Orphan is the hardest in the series
>>340167334
thanks anon.
let's see how she turned out shall we
>>340168358
>the waves loop together
you're a natural kid
>>340157215
Yes, let them be happy and have fun.
>>340168358
AYYYYYYYY
>>340153582
It didn't
>took a step back from dark souls with estus flasks
>limited weapons forcing you to use your starting weapon the most of the game
>bloodtinge is OP as fuck
>arcane is worthless
>"spells" in this game are worthless
>>340153810
>>put in a GOAT twist (Lovecraft) that is also horribly underused in vidya
What's the twist? That you've been helping the Moon Presence?
>>340169269
The whole lovecraftian setting when the game sets itself up as a generic Victorian era + Werewolves setting
>>340169269
i think he's just referring to the tone shift from blood and beasts in Victorian london to eldritch superhorrors dwelling in alternate planes of existence
>>340169432
you mean the part where you defeat rom and you go to yahar'gul, where you fight more villager people, more hunters and a mass of bodies, and the part where you go to nightmare of mensis, another gothic/victorian area?
Bloodborne's twist is severely overrated
I love BB and all but certainly not a holy grail like some kids in this thread want you to believe. i love the weapon selection it look fresh and cool but absolutely inbalance in build variety. Bloodtinge build is almost nonexistent until chikage and evelyn shows up which is pretty far midgame. dedicated skill build require you to kill important NPC on first sight or you just need to content with shitty cane. arcane build is just pure trash in early game i mean really? a flamethrower and molotov? Weapon gem and rune pretty much uninspired upgrade with nothing special about it. Majority of the bosses lack meaningful lore behind them just another beast hunt and near endgame bosses were underwhelming compared to early bosses. havent played the dlc yet so it might fix some shit.
>>340168545
thanks bruv
been saving clips since i got the game back at christmas
expect lots more OC in BB threads
>>340162224
Really anon? Easier than Celestial Emissary?
>>340169358
>>340169432
I like how that reflects the evolution of the horror genre during the 19th century to early 20th century.
You should read some of the transitory works. The Great God Pan and The King in Yellow (first 4 short stories only) in particular.
>>340169650
das3 LOC>>>>BB Great One bosses imo.
>>340169358
>>340169432
That's the twist? I guess I had it spoiled then, I wasn't expecting much else. Stuff like the Forbidon Woods, when you see the guy walking down the stairs who then changes into that snake monstrosity, was surprising. It's not like I was shocked by it or anything though.
>>340169650
people disregard a lot of the main games issue because of the dlc
but then again, this has been evident across every game in the series
artorias of the abyss came out, people heralded it as amazing, spellbinding, the crowns came out, people started actually taking DaS2 seriously in discussions
I imagine that when das3's dlc is out, people will probably end up violently masturbating over it, heralding it as the best thing ever
What was the deal with Micolash? Why throw in the inconsistent AOE?
>>340169745
>I like how that reflects the evolution of the horror genre during the 19th century to early 20th century
y'know I never even realized it did? But it makes sense since Lovecraft was writing from around 1917 and was inspired by the horror writers a generation or so before him. Though his works weren't popular in his time.
>>340153582
Lovecraft
Not having 90% of areas be sunlit shit
>>340169843
I'd say this is bullshit. All of them were piss easy fanservice except for the Princes.
>>340170003
just stay close to him
and dash towards him if he casts it
Okay, so just kicked the shit out of Ludwig. How long will it be before I'm able to ayyyyy?
>>340169986
playing BB pre-DLC made me appreciate das3 more right now even with all of its flaw.
>>340170101
It's similar to how Red Dead Redemption reflects the evolution of the Western genre.
New Austin is the classic western.
Mexico is the more cynical spaghetti western.
West Elizabeth is the contemporary, deconstructive western.
>>340170479
wrong pic
>>340170440
You have to complete a side quest for a blobhead laaydy.
And you have to defeat the final boss of the DLC.
It sucks that they locked the ayy lmao build behind the hardest boss in the game.
>>340170216
But that's where the inconsistencey comes into play. Even if you are close to him, if you run out of stamina and don't hit him for a second, he can just decide to use it. When he actually does use it there is no consistency with dodging the attack. Sometimes you do, someirmes you don't. Then there's the damage - at times an insta-kill, others you can take the hit - he'll just cast it again though. Even if you attack him when he's casting the spell, there's no guarantee it will stop him.
It just ruins an otherwise decent/different boss fight.
>>340170440
You have to complete the DLC to get the Kos Parasite, but you also need to get the Milkweed Rune from Saint Adeline who's a restrained NPC in a room in the Research Hall.
>>340169843
>>340170190
Pontiff is what the Wetnurse fight should have been.
Wetnurse felt like they didn't know how the fuck to mix up the shadow boss scenario after Darklurker. So they ended up with a too passive, stiff boss with a temporary clone mechanic that didn't hang around long enough to compensate for the boss's stiff passiveness.
Then fucking Pontiff shows up looking like a genius with a shadow that literally shadows him.
>>340170190
>Rom
>amygdala
>wet nurse
>hard
only ebrietas look harder but even then if i rank bosses solely on difficulty lud zallen and blue smelter would be the "best" souls game bosses ever. also trivializing aldrich and abysswatcer as shitty fanservice make me want to disregard your opinion at all.
What was this guy's fucking problem?
>>340170614
>>340170604
Well fuck me, then.
This transformation better be worth it.
>>340170829
If you don't attack the legs of Amygdala after the arms come off, the fight can be very hard. When you do attack the legs you're at the mercy of the bullshit jumping attack.
>>340170829
>Rom
>Amygdala
>easy
hit up a chalice some time
Abysswatcher is definitely shit btw
Why do Dark Souls 3 kiddies always seem to end up in these threads?
>>340170602
dumb appleposter
>>340171078
your opinion anon i dont care the atmosphere, the music, and the fight pretty much a top tier even if its not the hardest fight in the game. not every bosses need to be rabid monster with bloated HP to be considered epic.
>>340170936
That boomerang attack was bullshit, especially in that second chalice dungeon encounter.
>>340154414
no dante
>>340171215
Why have bloodborne kiddies started shilling tenfold since DaS3's release?
>>340153810
>Don't ruin the fan base by releasing it on PC
Congratulations, you've already started the consolewar shitposting before anyone even had the chance to post a goldface image
Now fucking kill yourself
>>340154414
Holy fucking kill yourself
>>340171319
There's a difference between not having a bloated health pool and simply dying in ten swings. What a fucking waste of what could have been a solid boss. Although it still would have been pandering shit even if it was hard.
>>340158180
>listening to ludwig soundtrack
>holy blade kicks in when i click on this shit
>>340171215
>BBfag taking cheap shot on das3 in every single one of their thread
>not expecting people to challenge that said opinion
go to /bbg/ if you want full hugbox.
>>340158124
My thoughts exactly. I HATE puzzles in horror games I would love to play them but the puzzles... It's not that they are difficult, they're just fucking boring and remove the atmosphere.
I played Amnesia and Outlast but the puzzles made me drop it the same about Silent Hill even though I finished the first two games I would love it much more if it were less puzzley.
What other great horror games don't have puzzles?
It's GOTY 2015 and DaS3 is GOTY 2016. Stop bicker like children when both games are excellent.
>>340155740
DaS2 at least had a somewhat original story
and its final boss wasnt just gwyn 2.0
cant shit on soul of cinder though, they did that just right
>>340163918
>>340164349
I hate Undead Giant. He can suck major balls.
>>340171461
Most people went to DS3 and realized how much of a backstep it is even to DS2, so they went back and played the best souls game they could think of: Bloodborne.
>>340171589
I never took a cheap shot, I simply asked a question.
Hope it's not too much to ask for some Bloodborne discussion in what the OP clearly intended to be a Bloodborne thread rather than some shitflinging fucksticks arguing about which game did what better.
>>340171520
>2nd phase with literally new health bar
it wasnt much different than O&S health bar or any bosses if you count the 2nd phase.
>another le pandering meme
fuck right off.
>>340170003
NPC enemies are hot garbage. they're easily the most tedious part of the game.
>>340171721
I think eternal darkness had a good puzzle system, because it combined the gameplay with the rune system to create a system that rewards player making sensible assessments of both enemy types and environmental situations with a selection of "spells" that alter situations
You had one where you could summon an enemy, using it to do various scenarios in game, spells where you can shield yourself from one of the god's influence, a spell where you reveal hidden stuff (reversed with one of the gods influences by making yourself invisible for a period)
It was really engaging and felt natural to both the games systems, but also the thematic elements of the game
>>340171461
I've gone back to Bloodborne because DaS3 isn't really good.
Don't get me wrong I like DaS3, just like Bb a whole mile more.
>>340171492
He's not wrong, its a legitimate reason to like bloodborne
>>340171589
Hardly anything is a cheap shot. I'm sorry to anyone who's been waiting for a game to surpass DS1 for so long, but DS3 coming from BB is almost as disappointing as DS2 was.
>>340171869
>that gwyn 2.0 literally the best final bosses in souls trilogy.
>>340171906
No, these threads are simply a desperate attempt to keep the game relevant.
Even as bloodborne fan and frequenter of the general, it was fairly easy to notice the large leakage of maria posters onto /v/ a couple of weeks before DS3's release, the "best game of all time" threads
It's pretty pathetic
>>340171997
>>2nd phase with literally new health bar
This doesn't even matter. 1st phase was an intentional pushover, then the 2nd phase was meant to be where the real fight began when suddenly you realize "wow this guy is still losing a quarter of HP every time I swing"
>>another le pandering meme
How is it a meme? Are you so deluded that you're gonna just deny it?
>>340158459
Konami isn't making any more Metal Gears, they're making fucking pachinko machines.
>>340171461
I replayed Bloodborne instantly after DaS3 to get the sour taste out of my mouth.
>>340172102
>muh blightown shortcut
das1fag literally the most insufferable cunt ever.
>>340171492
The thing is, he's right though. The /v/ DS1 community had it's problems but never once did it go full tryhard or retard until after the PC version was launched. They are the same people who had to use the CE to beat normal enemies throughout the game, then they would post about how you should gitgud. The same fuckers who pretty much shitted up multiplay.
Cry all you want about "console war" this and that but /v/ is the last place to be politically correct.
>>340166560
ludwig was probably the best fight in all of gaming from everything ive experienced
its a flawless fight, its perfect
the difficulty so long as you dont overlevel is perfect
the soundtrack is more than perfect
the setting is perfect
they allude to him in the game just the right amount not too much, not too little
100/10
>>340171520
I think DS3 has some serious problems with pandering, but the worst thing about Abyss Watchers was how the second phase was the same shit with a fire buff.
setting, enemy design, weapon and armor design, and atmosphere
greatly improved controls and combat
the single best adaptation of Lovecraft horror that isn't a pen and paper RPG
Game's not perfect though. Game doesn't have nearly the variety of playstyles that the first Dark Souls had, the replay value is low, chalice dungeons are annoying shit once you get to Ailing Loran and beyond, and the lore and story is perhaps a bit TOO obscure for its own good.
>>340171869
>Gwyn Rehash
>even the music is rehashed
>good
kek son
>>340172000
>goong through the Unseen Village for the first time
>getting bum-rushed by those three hunters in the church area, where even if you tried to kill them stealthily, they will all hear you and kick your ass
That was some fucking horseshit.
>>340172234
>and frequenter of the general
Your opinion is disregarded. If you were just some random troll I would have taken you more seriously but you being from /bbg/ makes you even less than shit.
>>340172265
le pandering meme mean it was trash fanservice with shallow content behind it like seigward and karla while abysswatcher is the complete opposite.
>>340172554
Why are these pictures so much clearer than the game?
>>340154379
I'd say so. Serves a great purpose in the lore, more friendly NPCs than the actual base fucking game (lol), great layout and decent challenge.
on another note, why the fuck are The Old Hunters enemies outside the Fishing Hamlet worth no fucking blood echoes? For how hard they are to kill you'd think they'd be worth the effort.
>>340172414
The only thing that disappointed me in BB was the lack of hidden rooms and mimics.
>>340172597
>the complete opposite
>when the fight is transparently based off of artorias except now we're dealing with a complete pushover
>>340172486
aside from gherman he's literally the best souls bosses.
>>340162439
it should be fine how it is, id pick it up, it is the only game that you can truly call perfect, because thats just what it is
make sure to get the GOAT edition for the DLC because the DLC is just incredible
who wins between The Lords of Cinder and The Great Ones
Lords of Cinder
>Abyss Watchers (5000+ strong but weak and might attack each other)
>Aldritch (arrow spam and teleporting)
>Yhorm (tanking everything)
>Twin Princes (teleport harass)
>Lord of Cinder (versatile)
Great Ones
>Celestial Emissary (big and cast magic at least, with a small army)
>Rom (army, spell spamming)
>The One Reborn (abyss watchers bait)
>Amygdala (fast jump attack, temper tantrum, lasers)
>Ebrietis (head butt, spells, frenzy, has HP decay aura)
>Mergo (infinite tsukoyomi)
>Moon Prescence (glass cannon, AoE attack can leave all at 1 HP)
>Orphan of Kos (fast and hits hard)
>Queen Yharnam (suicidal blood attacks, has AoE spell that can leave enemies floating them rush attack them, can bind targets out of no where, can summon clones)
>>340172678
Get a better TV
>>340172678
panoramic shots, it's a bunch of pictures stitched together, maybe that helps.
>>340172886
How is this a debate when Orphan of Kos is involved
>>340172886
If they were all together, I find it hard to imagine a situation where Yhorm isn't the last man standing unless Orphan is magically hiding a stormruler up his ass
Best Music in Souls
Best Lore
Best Graphic Design
Best Bosses
Best DLC
Best Standalone
Best Weapons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9zxXN1rx0
>>340172690
Because everything outside of the fishing hamlet was a pushover.
>>340172886
All the bosses in DS3 have incredibly low HP counts, they would die first
>>340172093
How, exactly?
I couldn't give a shit about the fanbase outside of /v/, most of them are pretty much guaranteed to be redditors or twitch cunts sucking e-celeb cock.
I loved chalice dungeons in BB because it actually gave you some replayability besides PvP, too bad they're stuck behind a shitty PS+ paywall. In general it's just awkward to have one system which does nothing besides gathering dust when I'm not in the mood for souls.
>>340173082
Wanted to post this, too, it's a really really good read
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JL5acskAT_2t062HILImBkV8eXAwaqOj611mSjK-vZ8/edit?pref=2&pli=1
>>340173102
honestly the mad hunters in the Nightmare Cathedral are harder than the normal fishmen, just way easier than the giants.
For the amount of HP they have and damage they deal, they drop dick all for blood echoes though.
you get more from the fucking students on floor 1 Mensis.
>>340172886
>Mergo
That wasn't mergo that was mergo's wetnurse.
>>340172774
>continuing the legacy of artorias
>the legend known as the ganksquad to annihilate kingdom with the first sign of abyss
>not cool
sorry for your shit taste but trivializing abyss watcher as artorias ripoff is just the same as trivializing gehrman and gascoine as just another npc fight.
>>340173237
It's okay at the start I feel, but he ends it on a really dull note with the implied doll-great one
It just fizzles out
>>340169621
fucking this
>>340173045
Orphan could Solo against Yhorm, he is much faster
>>340173045
would the Old Beggar in beast form be able to fuck up Yhorm with his lightning and tornado moves?
>>340173042
OoK was a complete fucking madman, rest his soul. I still hear his screams when I'm trying to sleep.
>>340173417
He says that a lot and at the very beginning, that developing your own truth to this is important and that this is his view on the things.
Mysticism is important.
>>340173590
no
>>340173496
the problem is that the bosses aren't necessarily reliable dodgers, they're just good attackers
as yhorm and orphan battle together, they will be constantly attacking each other in a war of attrition, until inevitably one runs out, which would probably be Orphan first
If we are talking a purely thematic idea of the bosses, I find it hard to imagine a situation where Aldrich wouldn't be the winner, as in his coalesced watery form, he would probably try to eat all of them
>>340173297
Not hard to trivialize a fight that's just a far worse version of another one. I seriously don't know why you're defending it so much. Also it's pretty hard to trivialize Gherman and Gascoigne as "generic NPC fights" when they both have unique phases and attacks you would never see from an NPC. But while we're on the topic, I would definitely compare the abysswalkers to NPC's considering they have both a boring fucking moveset and a generic flame buff.
>>340173646
That's what happens when you have a bottomless curse placed upon you
poor child
>>340173237
>I didn’t really like Dark Souls.
Stopped reading there and closed the window.
>>340172886
Aldritch and Lord of Cinder alone could probably take them.
i mean fuck, the arrow move would probably one-shot most of the BB bosses.
>>340173858
yhorm is weak as fuck
if you hit his arms/head he will stagger very easily
orphan would wreck him
>>340153582
rip already
>>340174023
Personally I think the Orphan would rip up every boss in DS1 and 2 easily.
>>340173646
I was at Bloodlevel 75, because i had to restart my game when i got the DLC, somehow the Savefile got corrupted. Died like 19 times to Ludwig and beating him was really hard and i thought this DLC won't get any easier.
Orphan of Kos then, 12th try, got him to the second phase for the second time, then fucking played the best A-game of my life and finished it right there. I nearly popped a blood vessel after that adrenaline rush, i was hysteric for several seconds.
I'll never forget Orphan.
>>340172886
abyss watcher pretty much can handle every gank enemies thrown at them.
aldritch arrow spam can pose great threat toward big slow moving bosses.
Twin princes can handle any fast bosses and wet nurse teleport shit due to lothric magic spam advantage.
Yohrm machete pretty much anihilate amygdala and laser spam wont do shit if yohrm have the shield.
orphan kos as the last man standing.
>>340173816
But I was talking about the subtance of the document as an "enjoyable read" not the implications the reader should take away
It was a good way to tie in the lore around yharnam and byrgenwerth
But the "statue" like nature of the great ones in bloodborne's lore makes them ultimately somewhat uninteresting, they almost feel unfinished, and the document begins to make reaching implications about the Pthumerian civilisations, when that content is also unfinished, and wasted through chalice content
He has a lot of good evidence and back ups for the yharnam/hunters/maria/gehrman/dlc shit, but the more interesting concepts were wasted by him reaching with very little to go by
>>340161610
framerates not an issue, but fuck do i hate micolash and the snake woods, fucking especially the snake woods, only zone in the game i didnt love
>>340173858
>>340174023
>>340174146
Let's imply they can dodge or both are player controlled by players who are equal in skill.
>>340153810
I fucking love this picture.
>>340174291
Well probably the abyss watchers then considering the original question stated there were 5000 of them, all player controlled.
>>340173934
He said he liked Demons Souls though, can't respect another Mans opinion and try to understand his thought pattern?
I thought he even explained his reasons very well.
>>340174235
You liked Ferguson, Missouri with that faggot Djura?
>>340174167
>I was at Bloodlevel 75, because i had to restart my game when i got the DLC, somehow the Savefile got corrupted.
Same here oddly. My old save was a bl130 and for some reason it got corrupted, despite me not having played the game since last year. I had to start a new character but it was alright since I was rusty as fuck anyway. I didn't start old hunters until after I beat the wetnurse.
>>340153582
Beating chalice amygdala, headless, and ebrietas.
>>340163918
i loved the chalice dungeons, queen yharnam was actually a really really good fight
the only part i fucking hated
was defiled amygdala of the artificial difficulty, why would i spent 15 minutest hacking at this fucks arms and face, just to get one shotted before i can finish him every single time, the only i fight ive ever had to chese
garbage
>>340170604
>hardest boss in the game
Oh, anon.
I don't get this meme
>>340174291
the abyss watchers are basically hunters, if they were all player controlled they'd solo the entire list
>>340174516
>queen yharnam was actually a really good fight
Really?
I thought she was a massive pushover who went down easily and had rather shitty combat mechanics
>>340174167
God I know this feeling dude. I was fighting Laurence with the Moonlight Sword and had no vials left, he was chasing me down and I had like 1hp and I killed him with a fucking charged beam. Felt lightheaded as shit and was nearly about to fucking pass out because of how fucking pumped I was. Had to turn off the PS4 and lie down immediately after because I was genuinely concerned my heart would pop out of my fucking chest.
>>340174548
ignoring the dumb chalices, Kos is easily one of the more challenging bosses, though I honestly thought Ludwig the Accursed was harder.
Ludwig the Holy Blade is piss easy though.
>>340167539
I beat the game without learning to parry properly. I believe in you, anon.
>>340174424
Could be possible. But if there is more of them, doesn't it also imply they are weaker, because the souls is split?
The one we fought in DaS3 is the last one and the last form with full strenght, i guess?
>>340164078
I always thought it was a stupid reference to the whole nest thing in DS1 where you pretend to be an egg.
Either that or its just spooky insane talk
>>340173860
>abyss watcher
>boring generic moveset
and you still wondering why i keep defending them when you cant stop spouting filth.
>>340174672
the game is perfectly playable without parrying
speedruns barely use parries, because it's faster to kill bosses without it
>>340174167
Ludwig only killed me twice before I got him down. I had more trouble with Maria than I did OoK too. I don't know what the fuck happened to me. Hell I had more trouble with Laurence than I did Ludwig.
God damn, Bloodborne shills have really been in full force the last couple of weeks
>>340163918
>doing one of the deeper chalices
>Undead Giant on first floor
>PFFFFFTSHSHSH HA IMMA ONE SHOT HIM LIKE I DID ON THE FIRST DUNGEON
>he deals quintuple the damage of his faggot younger brother and one-shots me instead
jesus christ. I enjoy most of the chalice dungeons until Ailing Loran. at that point it gets retarded with the enemies scaling out of control in the amount of health they have and the amount of damage they deal. And they give out fucktons of blood echoes which is retarded.
>>340166015
This is good bait
Really though the music was absolutely amazing on every level and Ludwigs second phase was From's way of letting you know that they had an absolute mastery over these moments.
DS3 doesn't come close.
>>340169745
Don't forget The Gods of Pegana
>>340174721
They are pretty weak, they go down easily to each other ingame.
>>340174774
Because you are retarded
>>340174670
Ludwig only a pain cause his charge doing silly amounts of damage and it's xbox hueg hitbox.
>>340174774
It's kind of hard to notice the cool combos of the moveset anyway considering any attack can be staggered by a fucking knife.
>>340174967
right back at you fucking retard.
>>340164078
Possibly a crazy-talk reference to wanting to be reborn/reach an epiphany like the saint did.
to be reborn she has to take herself from a higher life to be an infant again, then grow differently. It's why the ones with no bodies drop brain fluid and why the saint loses her body when she gets enough fluid.
>>340174167
similar situation here, i had 30/1,100 hp left after beating him and no blood vials
>>340175136
ANON SMASH
>>340175117
sure anon.
>>340174481
But i guess its better to do it at low Bloodlevel, because you get even better if you try your best, despite dying often.
>>340174660
>concerned my heart would pop
i feel you, man. this is better than exctasy, even if it only lasts for seconds.
>>340174923
>enemies scaling out of control in the amount of health they have and the amount of damage they deal. And they give out fucktons of blood echoes which is retarded
It's almost as if you have end game content
It was pretty good, the dlc was even better
I think I prefer Dark Souls 3 vanilla over Bloodborne vanilla though, champion gundyr, twin princes, sulyvahn, nameless, and soul of cinder were only really matched by ebrietas in terms of memorable and fun moments
>>340174884
The first phase is retarded. Second phase is more manageable.
>>340175336
It's just not fucking fun, especially when the level is so full of bullshit that they send 8 spider gank squads after you no matter where you are in the dungeon, including at the fucking hunter lamp.
>>340175242
YOU STRONG
ANON STRONGER
ANON STRONGEST THERE IIIIIIISSSSSSSS!
>>340174904
>talking about the game
>one thread compared to the 8+ overwatch threads up right now
>wooooooow shills
top bait m8
>>340174670
Agreed, I found that Ludwig TA was a much harder boss, where I-frames didn't really help much with his hulking size barreling towards you.
People who found OoK difficult are those that don't know how to abuse the immense about of I-frames the game gives you once the hit comes your way.
It took me one attempt of figuring out his attacks to beat it, and I went in knowing that a lot of people had a trouble with him saying it's the hardest boss.
>>340153582
Why does DaS3 look so shitty compared to this game? Switching between the two of them is so jarring. DaS3 looks so washed out, has low res af textures, is generally empty and had such a boring colour palette compared to BB. It's like the game was rushed out the door while BB has a beautiful lair of sheen and polish to it.
>>340175432
I find his second phase harder than his first, and I find his first phase very easy, it gives player tons of opportunities to dodge, get a ton of attacks in his side, and he staggers very easily.
By comparison, I find that his second phase chases the player much more efficiently, and I've ever quite felt as safe as I did in phase 1.
I'm convinced that the only people who think Ludwig's first phase is difficult are people who came back to the dlc after like 6 months or so
>>340175259
What, other guy got you mad so you won't offer me a rebuttal? Whatever.
>>340175548
Really? I play both on PS4 and Dark Souls 3 looks a lot crisper. Bloodborne has this sort of hazy effect.
>>340175640
Out of the entire DLC, I funnily found that Laurence gave me the most trouble out of any boss in the game, chalice bosses removed.
>>340175548
Because bb was made with sony's money and help in the development process
I think DaS3 still looks decent though, archdragon peak, profane capital, irithyll, farrons keep swamp, cathedral of the deep, lothric castle/high wall/untended graves were all fairly well realised
>>340174660
>Had to turn off the PS4 and lie down immediately after
That's was the best feeling in BB. You got way more hype than you would if you had a reliable shield. I've gotten way more pumped with bosses in BB than I did with any boss in DS1.
>>340175640
a lot of people attempt to cheese him by staying under him like you would for Sif, but that launches his most faggoty attacks instead.
also his combos are usually instant kills if you get hit by the first strike.
Bloodborne newbie here. My dick feels somewhat hefty after managing to beat Cleric Beast on the first try. Granted, I was shooting up blood vials until I ran dry, but I still beat his ass. I plan on running with the Kirk Hammer until I find something that feels better to use.
>>340175713
go outside anon.
>>340153582
Sony-tier budget.
Also, reminder that DaS2 and 3 were a mistake.
>>340176017
I just got back home
>>340176005
Father Gascoigne causal filter up ahead anon :^)
>>340153582
the first time I found a squidman in Cathedral Ward felt pretty fucking right in a ''this is very wrong'' kind of way
>>340175640
I finished the DLC after DaS3 and after Mergos Wet Nurse, because, my savefile got corrupted (that guy here>>340174884)
But you are partly right, i played every Souls game only once, except now BB because the Savefile and DaS3, because it's the first Souls i even started to mess with PvP and PvE
Maybe now i'll do better.
>>340173646
I need help with this fucker, his second phase doesn't let me do anything.
>>340176230
I beat him easily with the Chikage meme sword and Evelyn, staying close and timing my I-frames with his swings, get hit once, and focus on ONLY evasion, getting enough room so that you can use a vial. Aggression is what won me this fight
>>340176005
>he ran out of vials on the cleric beast
You're gonna have so much fun with the GasMan then.
>>340176106
Play with your gf's son in the park then.
>>340176081
I want to say DaS3 can be salvaged with heavy patching, but it really fucking can't.
as much as I want to tell myself "they can patch the game to have more playstyles!" they just fucking can't.
the whole game is designed around using i-frames and memorizing bosses moves like it's fucking Ninja Gaiden. they can't just replace every boss's moveset with something that you can take on with a shield.
It's a shame. I don't really know what the fuck Miyazaki was thinking with how he designed DaS3. DaS1 is still unmatched in the amount of ways you can play it. Going over 100% equip load wasn't just fun, it was actually viable. Or being a 30% flip faggot with no shield. or spamming magic or using nothing but big ass swords and clubs or staying behind a shield with a spear.
Maybe someone else will make a game that lives up to that amount of freedom and versatility.
>>340176492
I'd prefer playing with your emotions and letting you know that Abyss Watchers aren't good
>>340175336
Depth 5 isn't endgame content it's cheese content. You either break out the arcane and hunter tools cause it's magic I aint gotta balance shit or abuse boss patterns to get them to use the same attack over and over cause almost everything will kill you in one shot.
>>340176214
You're not me man.
>>340176512
DaS3 is getting 2 or 3 DLCs, there's plenty of time to improve it
the dlc and not much else
>>340175117
>abyss watcher gains its second health bar
>gains maria's flame shit
>still flinches to a longsword
I didnt even know they were a lord of cinder until I had placed the skulls on the throne, I thought they were a generic npc fight
>>340176665
but again, there's no way those DLCs will actually fix the entire core design of how the boss's movesets were created.
at best I see them turning on poise and making the armor's stats actually reduce the amount of damage you take.
>>340176854
personally i dont care about poise or armor stats
bloodborne was right in making armor cosmetic
>>340176230
Just like >>340176426 said.
Most guides, like on the fextralife, will say that backing off of him is the best strategy but this doesn't always work because he tends to want to hit further instead of closer. Staying on his ass for both phases was easier to me and the only time I backed off is when I knew the next two hits would kill me.
I used a max upgraded Axe and two handed it for rally (getting health back when you hit) because the axe has some really great rally potential even without rally gems.
Anyway, if you're dying so much you're getting pissed it's not doing you any good to fight him any longer. I would advise shutting the ps4 off and doing something else until you think you're calm enough to fight him again.
>>340176602
nice comeback anon too bad i spend my last of (you) already.
>>340177029
But armor in DaS3 isn't cosmetic.
It weighs you down. Literally the only two things on armor that matters in DaS3 is equip load and the status resistances.
and all the gear with good resistance is fucking light as a feather. You may as well wear the Worker set the whole fucking game because it's objectively superior to most of the other shit.
>>340177029
I never understood people crying about the poise
in das2 everyone just wore that skimpy desert sorcerer outfit any ways
>>340177320
Damage absorption is still a thing, you know, even if poise doesn't work.
>>340177290
Ok so don't cry the next time someone rightfully flames that shit boss
>>340177419
So what? You MAYBE get one more hit from the bosses that kill you in anywhere from 1-3 hits no matter how much health you have?
The defense stats, if they even work, don't fucking matter. You'd rather get the huge boost in i-frames and better stamina recovery/use considering the whole game is based around dodging through attacks.
STORY / AESTHETIC
>bb >das>des>dasIII>dasII
MECHANICS
>dasIII > bb > dasII > das> des
>>340177419
There are plenty of videos showing exactly how small the difference is between say the knight armour and havels.
Anything above knight or so is a massive waste. If they were going to make armour so shit I wish they didn't require a shit stat to wear, it kind of kills the fashion.
>>340177714
>DaS3 somehow has better mechanics than BB
>>340177587
I remember the first time I played DS1. I went through the entire game with unupgraded thief gear and an upgraded knife. I was so light I could fast roll everything. The heavy as fuck armor wasn't that great because even with it on you could only take a couple of hits more but you couldn't roll worth a fuck so you were getting hit more anyway.
>>340177439
not any less shit than half of BB bosses.
>>340177714
>DaS3
>mechanics
it's worse than the fucking first game in terms of mechanics
>>340176148
Took me four shots, actually. People were right when they said that he's the parry tutorial.I'd be prouder if I hadn't used the music box on his beast form to open him up.
>>340177419
You get what, average 15 absorb of light sets and around 25 on what might be considered heavy, with the superheavy shit like smough and havel's hanging around 35. It's the difference between what, taking 2-3 extra hits from an estoc in exchange for 40+ vitality investment?
>visual design
>setting twist
>color palette
>perfect OST
>great SFX, adding to the gamefeel
>rich lore
>great bosses, almost no push-overs, even gimmick ones were great
>long (but not very enjoyable) lategame
>weapon design
>voiceacting
>best DLC in years
It's easier to list the things that went wrong.
>low amount of weapons/armor/spells
>chalice dungeons are too repetitive and sometimes just bullshit
>30 fps
>Chromatic Aberration
That's literally it. One of the best games in a long, long time.
>>340177845
In DaS1 heavy armor would allow you to tank tons of fucking hits from anything but some optional hard enemies like the giant mushroom or the Hydra.
It's a much more noticeable difference than in DaS3. then again DaS1 was designed to be a good action RPG first and not some retarded hardcore iframe simulator.
>>340177919
I didn't even know the music box existed my first playthrough.
Nonetheless, good job
>>340177752
>heavy armor fags get fucked
>>340177587
There is no difference between the amount of I-frames between fast and medium roll in DasIII. You are thinking of previous games in the series.
And what you say about absorption is true when you're fighting bosses. But you are not always fighting bosses.
>>340177848
Good thing I wasn't talking about the quality of BB's bosses, thanks for letting me know that I can suck (you) right back in though
>>340177752
I think there's some kind of diminishing returns on defense, where it starts to be worth less once you hit the soft cap. I'd have to read up on the data though.
>>340177714
>dasIII > bb
HAHA! What? No.
The entirety of DS3 is BB fast enemies but you don't have the backstep to properly fight them.
>dasII > das
this has got to be bait. There are numerous reasons why DaS is superior to DS2. But the only thing superior to DaS that DaS2 had was pvp.
>>340177714
but anon poise is working as intended
>>340178171
not him actually.
my god, the memories of my first playthrough, please kill me
>never fucking found Hemwick Charnel Lane and thus couldn't use runes
>used Hunter Axe spin2win the whole fucking game
>never learned to parry and just shot randomly
>killed Rom as my 5th fucking boss, killing every NPC but Patches, the old woman, Alfred, and Eileen
>somehow still managed to get 3 umbilical cords and fight the moon presence, which I also fucking spin2winned
>>340176512
DaS3 was a fucking bummer.
>hey, guys, remember Siegmeyer? :)
>puhraise the sun XD
>hey, guys, remember Mephistopheles? :)
>hey, guys, remember Yuria? :)
>hey, guys, remember Havel? :)
>hey, guys, remember %previous_game_reference%? :)
>LE TIME IS CONVOLUTED XD
Not to mention shitty linear level design. NPC """quests""" were beyond terrible as well. DaS2 was a disappointment, but quantity over quality can be fun at time. DaS3 has neither the amount of content of previous games, nor the quality of DeS/BB.
Christ, and to think that I thought they couldn't do any worse than DaS2.
>>340178028
I happened to find it from Gas Can's daughter through that window and I figured that I'd try playing it when he beasted out.
After the fight, I found his wife's pendant and brought it back to the little girl. I think I fucked up there. The crying of small girl children hurts me.
>>340178307
I already know it's you, retard. You type the exact same every time. Good try, pretty sad though.
>>340178046
Heavy armour has never been optimal in souls games, but having around 1/3rd of the armour essentially off limits unless I want to gimp my character seems dumb.
They made armour the heaviest it's ever been and the most useless it's ever been in the same game.
>>340178268
I don't remember the math anymore, I watched the videos and read the articles around release and got sad and now I forget the details.
>>340177714
>weapon arts > transformations
>lightning fast unpunishable estus > being able to shoot a healer into a riposte
>garbage-tier build variety > every style of build being viable with at least two dedicated weapons
The only mechanical advantage DaS3 has over BB is Estus being less annoying than Vial farming, and having a "Straight to Base" option on the homeward bone.
Everything else is either vastly inferior to, or lifted directly from, Bloodborne.
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/filename/logo_0.png
kill yourself shitposter
>>340178705
thanks, I'm going to use this whenever the resident bloodborne shill pops up again
>>340178591
>every style of build being viable with at least two dedicated weapons
HAHAHAHHAHA
PLEASE TELL ME HOW SHIELDS ARE USEFUL FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN DOGS. PLEASE TELL ME SHIELDS ARE GOOD ON BOSSES.
PLEASE TELL ME MIRACLES/FAITH IS GOOD FOR FUCKING ANYTHING.
PLEASE TELL ME MAGIC IS WORTH SHIT OTHER THAN MAYBE MAGIC WEAPON/FLAME WEAPON
Compared to DaS1, DaS3 has garbage playstyle variety.
>>340178918
Pyromancer here, stop being a bitch and play fun instead of being optimal.
>>340178918
He was refering to BB.
>>340154293
This. Especially shadows.
>>340178445
>NPC """quests""" were beyond terrible
List one them, idiot. Also name at least three better than Yuria/Anri or Siegmeyer/Yhorm NPC quests in the franchise.
>quantity over quality can be fun at time
You're literally retarded.
>nor the quality of DeS
There's not a single aspect of DeS that is better than DaS3. Literally nostalgiafags' and sonyggers' favorite.
>>340178918
You're making my exact point.
Allow me to add an addendum to every bit of greentext in my earlier post. Start ever statement with
>implying
And you should see what I actually meant to convey. Bloodborne kicks the living shit out of DaS3 in terms of quality.
>>340178591
Do you seriously think weapon arts are better than transforms? I thought they had potential but then I played the game and they're mostly useless and like 15 weapons will have the same fucking one. Arts would have been a great way to differentiate the 30 straight swords in the game, but only a couple of them have different arts. Talk about wasted fucking potential.
>>340179307
Patches at the cathedral was a shit quest, it broke more often than not.
The blind carim nun was shit too, making her into a firekeeper is absolutely pointless
>>340179307
>There's not a single aspect of DeS that is better than DaS3. Literally nostalgiafags' and sonyggers' favorite.
Now this is some delectable bait
>>340176148
Gascoigne was so easy I still love it when plebs complain about him because they can't parry
>>340179307
I agree with you on all points, especially demons souls, I have absolutely no idea why people parade that game to this day as one of the best in the series considering how outdated it is in almost every aspect.
I personally think das3 and BB are the best games in the franchise, with BB edging out DaS3 somewhat because of the dlc, but I'm sure the dlc for 3 itself will probably change that.
Also, DaS3 has great npc's, siegward, leonhard, anri, sirris, hawkwood, greirat, patches, yuria/yoel, eygon/irina were all really well executed
>>340179650
>Patches at the cathedral was a shit quest, it broke more often than not.
i beat the game 3 times and never saw him there
>>340179650
blind carim nun is pretty interesting when you give her dark tomes
Patches is definitely better than in DaS or DaS2.
>>340179753
This. Fucking this.
>>340178576
this is getting ridiculous.
>Pay 460 dollars plus PS+ to fully enjoy Blood Borne
>"Lol you mad pc fags. I had to buy a shitty console to play this one GAME! LMAO ARE YOU MAD"
>>340180105
Please stop, you're so desperate. Took you 17 minutes to do a simple shoop?
>>340180185
On a scale from 1 to 10, how jealous are you?
>>340179307
The Yuria/Anri questline is stupid bullshit and involves characters you don't have any reason to care about.
For a more interesting/emotionally engaging questline we have:
The obvious first is Siegmeyer (you meant to say Siegward in your post. It's kind of ironic that you're saying a character is memorable while simultaneously saying the name of his source material) and Sieglinde. I personally considered this to be the most engaging sidequest in DaS1 because it involves the character meeting his end at the hands of a loved one at the end of his journey, instead of going nuts and having to be put down by you.
The second that comes to mind are Gascoigne's Daughters in Bloodborne. It's not at broad as the other questlines in the game, but the emotional impact of not being able to save not just one, but two children is pretty upsetting. That and the entire mystery surrounding the music box and its use the the Wet Nurse fight, and the fact that the younger sister never once mentions having an older sister before perishing, leaves a lot to think about.
Finally, the obvious entry. Solaire of Astora. He's pretty much devolved into a meme for most of the fanbase, but the reality of the situation is that Solaire was your best fucking friend in DaS1. Up until the end he never betrays you, he never forces you to solve his problems, and he helps you at every turn. He's not Gwyn's firstborn, he's not some God, he's just a man with a goal, and he slowly falls to despair at his inability to reach that goal.
>>340179441
No, every single point on that list was
>implying this is the case
sarcasm. See >>340179317
>>340180185
I'd honestly be surprised if even half the shitposters and console war cunts have even played the game.
I would be fine with the game going to pc for what it's worth. It's one of my favourites and the more people that play it the better.
>>340180185
I don't just play BB though, there are other games to play.
>>340180185
Post full image
>>340180359
Not jealous. I played Blood Borner to finish when I was staying at my friends house. Its a fine game I just don't want to buy a console and pay to play online for a game thats only good for one play through. Plus the PvP is shit
>>340178918
>shield is worthless meme
you literally can cheese NK and pontiff with shield and several other bosses.
>arcane build in BB
>literally cant do anything except flamethrower and molotov
>even then all the spell barely count in 1 hand.
>>340180427
>I would be fine with the game going to pc for what it's worth
But it's already on PC anonychan.
>>340167539
Father Gascoigne was extremely hard when I first fought him, but the rest of the bosses seemed a lot easier. Kos,however, was extremely difficult. Also, the cursed chalice was also really difficult. Well, in my opinion. But, Kos was DLC and the cursed chalice was optional. The main story mode wasn't really difficult once you get a good grasp of how it plays.
>>340180869
I don't get the point of this feature. I think at least 80% of console setups are more comfy than pc setups, comfy couch vs chair in a lot of cases etc.
>>340181107
I think it's funny because I have my laptop sitting right next to my pc/ps4 monitor. The remote play would probably only be useful if you take your laptop on vacation and you had a hotspot so you could play it.
>>340180185
Pic related, non poorfag here.
I bought a PS4 for Bloodborne and I would do it again in a heartbeat. I would literally buy a PS4K if Bloodborne was 60fps on it. I would also trade EVERY PC exclusive to have Bloodborne on PC.
That's how good it is.
>>340172391
You typed all that out just to look like a retard, way to go
>Bloodborne thread
>its another "lets hype up Bloodborne as much as possible for not being on PC" episode
>doesnt matter if it s a good game or has anything interesting, all that matters is getting at those meanie pc users
>>340180421
>The obvious first is Siegmeyer
Anon, please. Siegward's quest involves helping him with a "puzzle", demon battle, meeting him and drinking a soup with him, rescuing him by finding his armor, rescuing him from a cage and fighting a boss together.
Also no wonder that I've mistaken Siegmeyer for Siegward if the first one has been around since 2011. Also a shit ton of discussion, fanart and jokes.
>The second that comes to mind are Gascoigne's Daughters
>its use in the Wet Nurse fact
Now I really believe that you're a Vaati fan. You're trying to describe shitty quests in a way that makes them sound interesting and you put shit like that. It's literally a fucking glitch, music box activates things like a bell in CD
Solaire is pretty good though.
>>340181586
Here you go, pcfriend.
>>340153810
>>340154296
>>340155746
>>340156156
>>340157467
>>340157965
>>340181545
>non poorfag
>No optical disk drives detected
Seriously? Are you pirating windows?
>>340181545
>non poor fags
>Those computer specs
Its alright dude. Some people spend their money in good ways and some buy shitty next gen consoles to play one game.
>>340181545
Same here actually. At first I was against putting BB on PC but it's just too good for any decent soulsfag to pass up. I think as many decent players need to experience BB. It's not perfect in any way at all but it's one of the best modern games you can get.
>>340181852
So which bracket do you fit under? "Poorfag with a toaster PC who can't afford a current gen console"?
Go on, let me see your 270x PC.
>>340181845
>optical disk drive
2000 called, it wants its meme back
>>340181983
>Dude I am so rich I bought a ps4 to play one game are you jelly?
>>340181852
As opposed to you who has neither a good PC nor a next gen console?
>>340181647
You're being a flagrant retard aside, if you really want I can just substitute the Daughters with Iosefka, or Adella the (yandere) nun, or Eileen the Crow, or motherucking Gascoinge for fucks sakes. Every single character in Bloodborne has a more interesting backstory just every fucking character in DaS3 with the exception of Pontiff Sully and Siegward.
>>340181586
>its another "lets hype up Bloodborne as much as possible for not being on PC" episode
That's not true at all. There is a maximum of maybe 4-5 posts out of close to 400 that are saying that shit. Most posts are BB and DS3 players talking about the pros and cons of each game, DLC boss fights and reminiscing how much rape OoK can dish out in such a small amount of time.
Considering the threads when the game was just released this thread is far more comfy.
>>340181983
2000 called what??
Are you seriously retarded? We still use optical disk drives, even PS4 uses one.
How else could he install windows except using flash drives huh which is 90% piracy all the time. Don't get me wrong but he said he is a non poorfag BUT he pirates windows (probable cause).
>>340161610
Rom is easy just run around and herd spiders away
Snake woods is boring, but not unmanageable
Micolash is far too easy
>>340182353
>How else could he install windows except using flash drives huh which is 90% piracy all the time
Just stop posting.
>>340182230
>one game
Precisely. Feels good being rich. Do you want some coin, PCuck?
>>340165579
>gesturing when they can't see it
>gesturing period
A tip of the trilby to you
>>340182383
Just one giant whalefag in the fishing hamlet was harder than Micolash on NG+.
>>340182578
You stop posting you are cancer to this thread your image link looks like made from a kid who got cauncerautism.
>>340182645
but you can see it in the video
and it made you mad
>>340182353
>How else could he install windows except using flash drives huh which is 90% piracy all the time
You do know Microsoft can give you digital keys for you Windows installation? Are you baiting?
>>340182353
>MS literally giving out Win10 for free
Why do you have to pirate windows anymore when Win10 is better than 7 and it's free?
>>340182692
t. Poorfag PCuck
>>340182578
>Defending a shitty console because "I'm rich"
I don't get what you're trying to do. If you're say the game is good because "I can afford it" you're a retard. I played the game and it was fine. Not a game that was worth playing online for or buying a console for. If you bought a golden toilet and shit in it, the shit inside wouldn't be any different.
>>340182261
>Gascoigne
What are you talking about? There's nothing interesting about him as long as we don't talk about his daughters.
>Adella
Wow, she'll talk to you only if you wear Black Church Set. And she turns her head when you talk to the prostitute.
>Eileen the Crow
The most standard soulsborne quest ever. Kills some fags with you and goes mad.
NPCs in BB are great, but I can't fucking believe that you didn't list Alfred. Or any of the NPCs from DLC.
>with the exception of Pontiff Sully and Siegward
You mean Princes, Gertrude, Pontiff Sully, Siegward, Leonhard, Karla, Dancer, Nameless King, Iudex/Champion Gundyr, Greirat, Yoel/Yuria and Anri?
>Everyone should be able to play your game. It is not fair that we are left out. You have betrayed us after releasing your last two games on PC.
Every time
>>340182862
> I played the game and it was fine
No you didn't nor will you EVER play it, PCuck
Unless you can provide a timestamp :^).
>inb4
>"i-i played it at my friends house"
>>340182748
>>340182839
No no no microsoft said that the keys itself are piracy also known as keygen.
>>340172282
I don't care how easy and exploitable Maria is, that fight was such an experience.
>>340183039
So she really does watch Kill le Kill..
>>340182875
>Kills some fags with you and goes mad
Have you even played the game? Or did you just watch streams because that's not what happens to Eileen at all at the end of her quest line if done properly.
>>340182875
>posts a bunch of shitty NPC/bosses no one cares about
>doesn't list Oceiros
>>340183039
So nice they made it twice. Abyss watchers was good but no maria.
>>340183119
Yeah, I did. And that's what I think about them.
Eileen and Henryk are literally the least interesting NPCs in the game, except for the granny and old skeptical man.
>>340154414
fuck off
>>340183136
fuck, I forgot about him.
>>340153685
>Literally the same fucking game just on PC
>Cucks cucking it up
Fuck you and your crowd, you're all abominations.
>>340173646
Is he legitimately slower in water, because that's how I beat him, but I wasn't sure if there was an actual difference.
>>340183359
Then you would know that Eileen lies wounded and dying at the cathedral where you fought Amelia.
Henryk was a blood crazed hunter around the time you meet him so there is no quest for him and the fact that you brought him up is proof of your misunderstandings about everything going on in Bloodborne. You should have played the game without reading guides. Even the people that you save that don't have much dialog are better than most friendly NPCs in DS3.
I've been pondering this for a while.
Dark Souls 3 got great reviews, but the general complaint was that it was more of the same. Meanwhile, Bloodborne was praised for shining new light on the Souls-style game.
For the Souls game to continue, do you think it needs to keep reinventing itself with a new setting, characters, atmosphere, and lore? Do sequels just hold them back?
>>340168820
>>340157215
>Cucks mad about an exclusive
>Still come in and shitpost to fuck it all up
Sorry about this, but you all brought this on yourselves.
>>340182875
>Princes
you got it
>Gertrude
DLC/lore-bait without any explanation.
>Pontiff Sully
well
>Siegward
Nah, another let`s kill my friend/dad/grandpa/brother and then I`ll go hollow
>Leonhard
The most useless yurt`esque character. He has good design, but he is poor man`s lautrec
>Karla
Nah
>Dancer
Nah
>Nameless King
The one and only good closure for DS1 storylines
>Iudex/Champion Gundyr
Area mystery is interesting, but character isn`t
>Greirat
ok
>Yoel/Yuria and Anri
Mixed feelings. Anri quest is another "I need to complete my shit before hollowing". Yuria quest is strange and has a lot of stuff out of nowhere. Why "marriage" is so strange? What`s deal with Londor?
Personally:
Best "big" quests - DS1 (Solaire, Onion, Big Hat)
Best merchants and minor npcs - DS2 (Straid, Gavlan, Navlaan, kitty, Vengarl, etc)
Best npc reactions on game events - Bloodborne
>>340183960
>You should have played the game without reading guides.
Are you literally retarded? If I had a guide I wouldn't fail Eileen's quest, you dumb cunt.
>>340161610
Stop being a fucking baby, you're old enough to post here.
Best PvE
Best Combat
Worst PvP system, seriously what the fuck were they thinking?
>>340184228
You've obviously read guides and still failed them because you are shit at combat. What about that is hard to understand? I'm wondering if you've even conquered the DLC yet.
>>340184186
We are talking about interesting NPCs. Karla, Gertrude and the Dancer ARE interesting.
>The most useless yurt`esque character. He has good design, but he is poor man`s lautrec
I'd say that Lautrec is a poor man's Leonhard. His quest is shorter, he don't know shit about him and it ends without any closure or explanation.
>Why "marriage" is so strange? What`s deal with Londor?
Well probably using this sword is the only way to kill a hollow and absorb his dark sigils.
>>340184658
>What about that is hard to understand?
Uhh where do you have any evidence that I read a guide? You're literally just trying to call me names, there's not a word I said that would indicate anything about the guides. It's quite the opposite, really. I failed Eileen's quest and you're trying to deny it by saying 'U-UR SHIT AT COMBAT!'
>>340184818
What`s interesting about Karla and Dancer except rule 34 potency?
Gertrude isn`t even npc, she was just mentioned 2 times in descriptions. Angel theme is interesting, but not Gertrude herself.
>>340184186
dancer is good boss with good lore behind her heavily implied that she has some relation with gwynevere. Champon gundyr is one of the best bosses in das3 with interesting lore behind him tied to dark shrine. Greirat literally the most original quest in souls series. also marriage does not work like real life marriage it was more like combining anri darksign power with your's to ensure your ability to usurped the flame. another one yuria confirmed working under kaathe so there's another interesting mystery up there.
>>340185060
Well you didn't fail them because you're good at combat, so what else could it be? Did you fail a conversation stat check? Because that doesn't exist in BB.
Either way, we've run aground. I've deduced you're a bad player so we can end it right here. There is nothing in it for me to discuss the game with a bad player.
>>340185102
>Dancer
Her connections to the royal family and Gwynevere.
>Karla
She's implied to be one of fragments of Manus.
>>340185434
And that`s all about them. Literally just connections to previous games.
>>340185383
I failed because I fucking let her die at Henryk's place, you idiot.
I'll look it up now.
I could literally screencap my gesture menu and show you that I don't have "Shh" gesture.
>Either way, we've run aground. I've deduced you're a bad player so we can end it right here
Tip your fedora for me, Sherlock.
>>340184070
Why do you want this shit to continue?
>>340185692
>I could literally screencap my gesture menu and show you that I don't have "Shh" gesture.
How would you know of the gesture if you didn't look up info on it. You said you didn't use guides or information to help you but then you just admitted it.
You're a liar, a ruseman and a fake. Do us all a favor and stop discussing anything Bloodborne related until you have prostrated yourself on the game and have actually had the skill to see the quests through. Your entire opinion in this thread has been invalidated.Queer.
>>340186463
Can't you fucking read? Pic related, ace detective.
>You're a liar, a ruseman and a fake.
And you're a neckbeard desperate to prove someone false by making up arguments and pretending to be fucking retarded.
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