is it as good as YS 7?
is it now
is orange the best?
Ys Seven has better bosses, story, music, and world.
Celceta has better waifus
>>340148624
what about the gameplay?
>>340148714
Celceta is more refined but easier. Your attacks auto charging without needing to hold a button all the time makes the hp sponge boss less tedious.
>>340148714
Same as Seven but like the anon above said, it's more polished.
I'd recommend starting on Nightmare mode from the get-go.
>>340148073
Do NOT play at normal.
>>340149079
>>340149140
all right, thanks anons. Nightmare it is.
>>340148073
I thought Seven was garbage compared to Oath. Didnt finish Celceta either, might have to go back to it.
>>340151610
Never played oath, will load it now for my psp.
>>340148073
Where's the steam version? Fucking Xseed, porting fanservice trash but not the actual good games.
>>340151870
You better start buying Shinovi Versus on steam if you want them to keep thinking it's worth porting anything to PC.
>>340152039
SV looks like low level garbage. I would buy 2 copies of YS though.
>>340152294
>I would buy 2 copies of YS though.
You only say that because you know there's not gonna be a port of Ys 7.
>>340148073
>go to play ys1&2
>bumper cars combat
i knew it was a meme series, dropped it instantly.
>>340152687
Here's (you)
>>340151870
There's a Chinese PC version that recently got a English patch.
>>340152687
>Not liking the bumping system
How does it feel having such a shit taste anon?
>>340156058
Why haven't I heard about this?
>>340156058
That version is pretty ass as far as I've come to understand it, tried to use the teleport feature that they force you to use to get out of the first cave, but it doesn't work. I don't know why, but nothing I do will make me teleport.
>>340156845
It was posted in one of the trails threads not too long ago.
>>340157012
Patch is still in beta, but i never had this problem.
>>340156845
There was only a thread or two about it
https://mega.nz/#F!HssCDDYZ!QLkmrL0kMhndI3i7fYzIQA
>>340156082
Bump system is one reason why I loved playing the older games, that said oath is fun too.
>>340148624
>Celceta has better waifus
That's a pretty serious claim, anon.
>>340148501
Nah, she sucks. One of the worst party members and the worst girl.
Pic related is best girl and best party member. Try to guess which is which.
>>340149305
Disregard the other guys, you've been suckered in. Nightmare in Celceta is intended for NG+, and playing it on a normal NG is tedious as fuck because everything has an insanely high amount of health and takes forever to kill, particularly the bosses.
Hard is better for a first playthrough.
>>340157451
>>340156058
How is it compared to the PSP version?
Hell, you can just emulate the PSP version on a toaster these days, so why care about a dodgy Chinese port?
>>340158495
>>340158664
Anyone else here who played the original ys 4?
>>340158929
Isn't only one of the 4 versions translated? I was thinking of giving them a go but after how fucking terrible 5 was I was put off the idea.
>>340158252
>>340156082
How in the name of fuck can you enjoy the bumping system? Oath and Origin's are some of my favorite games ever and the bumper car combat made me contemplate suicide desu. I mean it's just counter-intuitive and fiddly trying to bump into the fucking elbow of an enemy to damage him from a top-down perspective.
>>340159016
Both versions are. Mask of the sun is the one to avoid.
Dawn of ys is the better version and even has relatively decent fandubbed voices.
>>340156082
You can use bump system in Celceta though. Well, kinda.
>>340159216
>fandubbed voices.
>>340159304
Theres no subs for the voiced scenes so unless you understand japanese, story will be harder to follow. Or just play for the gameplay
>>340157451
Thanks anon
>>340159840
Renne is everyone's waifu!
>>340159062
It makes grinding less tedious and the gameplay fast paced
>>340158664
>Ernst could have tapped that.
Is there a bigger idiot in the Ys world?
>>340160024
>>340158780
I only played up to the first boss, since I don't have a desire to replay celceta for a 3rd time. It ran fine at 60 FPS, but I remember people saying that it glitched up further in the game.
>>340161121
>Explaining the joke
>>340161523
We trails thread now?
Still waiting for best game
>>340161709
Best game with the best psychopath
>>340148073
Celceta is bar none the worst game in the series.
Ys has basically been ruined ever since 7.
>>340162031
Worse than 5?
>>340162031
Wanderers from Ys and Lost Kefin exist.
>>340162031
>>340162342
And Mask of the Sun
>>340162031
This.
I don't know what Falcom were thinking when they dropped the origin/oath/ark engine but the party games are horrible.
Seven, despite starting the trend had some good points to it but Celceta was just all around bad, even sporting a shit OST which is unheard of for Ys.
>>340162523
MoTS is better than Celceta.
I agree that LK is worse though. Wanderers is debatable.
>>340162031
7 had plenty of good moments and some bosses were fun
Celceta was just boring
https://youtu.be/5YFFdmSnFEU?t=38s
>>340162031
Wait till Ys 8 comes out with Clash of Clan base building and defending to further detract from slashy boss combat
>>340162342
I know a guy who says the same about the change that occurred in Ys 6. Abandon that nostalgia and be happy, anon.
>>340162727
This is a remix from an older music, isn't it?
>>340163092
Yep from Oath's final boss
A real nice touch that I will be dissapointed if it doesn't happen again during a hype boss in 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ7ruKexLWI
>>340158713
Bullshit, very few enemies are bullet sponges. Nightmare is always the way to go with Ys. You're playing a gimped version of the game otherwise.
>>340162031
Except 7 is one of the best games in the series, Celceta was just boring due to poor difficulty balance and backtracking.
>>340163565
The bosses in Celceta have absolutely absurd HP pools in nightmare for a normal NG playthrough, and take forever to kill. It sucks all fun out of the game when you're doing the same shit for 20 minutes against a boss that isn't particularly difficult and only has a massive amount of HP.
I would know, I started off on Nightmare and then decided to drop back down to hard after the fish boss that spends most of the battle being untouchable on top of the massive HP pool.
>Dogi
>>340163757
>Except 7 is one of the best games in the series
Except it isn't, unless you're putting it behind literally every relevant game such as Oath, Origin, Ark and Chronicles.
It can be tied with Dawn. That's the best I can do.
>>340164150
Ark is not a good game at all. Oath and Origin are great games due to the improvements they made to Ark's new engine but Ark itself is a fucking mess of poor boss fights, terrible balance, and way, way more grinding than Oath or Origin demanded. It's even worse if you played the pre-Steam versions without teleporting so you had to constantly walk back and forth along a poorly laid out world to trigger all the plot events.
>>340164019
How old are Dogi and Adol this time?
>>340164337
I did play the version that wasn't on steam (I don't even own the steam version actually), and while I agree with you that it isn't all that good, it's still better than 7.
7 destroys it in terms of OST but nothing can redeem the awful party based system from being terrible. It removed all difficulty from the series.
>>340164361
Adols 21, Dogi's 26
>>340164540
>It removed all difficulty from the series.
That's funny since 7 was actually still fairly difficult since the damage types didn't have anywhere near as significant an impact as in Celceta where it was boring as shit since you either rape with your winning weapon or get raped with your losing weapon.
>>340158495
>>340158664
Pic related is the true best girl from Ys.
>>340165313
Great taste. I got the feeling that she's actually pretty submissive in bed.
They fucking casualized the series since 7
>>340164019
>Fujobait Dogi
I'm honestly not sure how to feel about this.
>every game that isn't Oath or Origin is bad
This is why we never have good Ys threads.
>>340165145
I breezed through Seven personally. I can't recall getting stuck at a single place in the game.
I mean sure, Seven was harder than Celceta but that's not saying much considering how pitifully easy Celceta is
Feels like falcom are trying to incorporate kiseki elements into us.
>>340165616
>Things that never happen - the post
A lot of people have no qualms with the bumper games either. It's the modern games that are usually the subject of ridicule.
>>340165616
We have good Ys threads regularly enough, considering the relative popularity of the series.
Personally, I've enjoyed all the Ys games I've played, which is everything that's been localized, and while I think the party system games are weaker than even the bumper system games, I still have a fun time.
Tell me again how much of a faggot this guy is.
>>340165637
What difficulty did you play it on? Compared to other games, 7 has more significant differences between difficult settings. A post in this thread breaks it down: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/958946-ys-seven/56038616
>>340165947
>left this in pursuit of DARKLING POWER
Turbofaggotry. Like, 100%.
>MC is literally the most boring character in the entire series
Great work Falcom
>>340166096
>MC is literally made for self insert
It's intentional
>>340148073
Its on the vita, so no.
>>340166096
Adventurer's job is to fucking adventure, not chitchatting or socializing.
Who the fuck is the Pirate girl from Ys VI anyway? Was she a carryover from V or something?
Alson when is V going to get the III and IV treatment?
>>340166034
The same difficulty I play all the games on. Nightmare.
I've never played any Ys game on anything but its hardest difficulty right from the get go.
>>340166096
>MC is literally the most boring character in the entire series
Adol is Link, if it were the same Link in every Legend of Zelda game. He comes from the era of self-insert protaganists, and since then has only developed as much as the story requires (has a hard-on for adventure and a drive to help everyone because that might lead to more adventure).
>put the game on hold at water temple thing
How far am I in?
>>340166461
Look at the map progress.
>>340151610
Same. I couldn't finish 7. The party system pissed me the fuck off.
>>340166092
>Armpit cutouts
>>340166347
>Was she a carryover from V or something?
Yes. But 5 didn't have portraits and she wasn't a major character so it was a bit hard to tell even then.
>Alson when is V going to get the III and IV treatment?
It already did. There's a PS2 remake in the Ark engine which also changed a lot of the story, but nobody's bothered to translate it.
>>340163206
This is some hype shit right here
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SOuC6t2amtM
Ys 8 music
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aPrkLQK.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>340164019
His fashion sense has certainly come a long way ever since the first Ys game.
Anyone has Ys world map?
![ys5[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/H8jssXf.jpg "ys5[1].jpg")
>>340165313
Can't beat a goddess brah
>>340157012
I had this problem but I believe I fixed it by using my mouse. Wouldn't work with the gamepad.
>>340167532
Eh, sounds okay but you can definitely tell Falcom has dropped the ball on the music from what we used to get.
Next Step Towards The Unknown seems to be the best one.
Still, nothing really jumped out at me as amazing.
I was hoping for tracks in the same vein as A Seering Struggle, Sealed Time, Desert of Despair, and Dreaming.
>>340164019
The character designer should literally kill himself.
When will Ys Origin go on sale I'm tired of playing Oath for like the 10th time
>>340168651
>tired of playing Oath
Leave this fucking thread.
>>340168651
It goes for cheap every single time Steam does a major sale, pay attention nigga.
>>340168260
>>340168761
m8 please I did all the boss rush on each difficulty, beat the secret mountain boss, beat the game on inferno and got most of the achievements. Don't wanna play it anymore.
>>340169214
>It's literally the real world
>>340169265
m8 I don't give a fuck, play it again and shut the fuck up.
>>340168396
Yeah, I tried that myself, no response despite the game showing the effect of touchscreen usage. No fucking clue what to do.
>play Ys 7 on PSP years ago as first Ys game
>enjoying the fuck out of it
>its literally the perfect challenge
>get to final boss
>cant beat it becausei didnt level some characters up
>>340169265
>most of the achievements
>only most
Back in the game you go
>>340168465
>Eh, sounds okay but you can definitely tell Falcom has dropped the ball on the music from what we used to get.
Nigga, did you even heard Tokyo Xanadu's soundtrack? It was excellent.
https://youtu.be/oj4O07XEKVM
https://youtu.be/rbdKpjILYfA
https://youtu.be/FOXa6OqShrQ
https://youtu.be/_zOxbf1T5X0
https://youtu.be/ohp0CWQ24aU
https://youtu.be/9Ph1y7rpTyo
>>340169342
But there's no more satisfaction from it
>>340169453
Naw no way I don't wanna escort Elena and that miner guy another 4 times
>>340169548
Damn, maybe i'll give up on waiting and watch let's play videos on nico instead.
>>340162727
Even 7's ost doesn't touch oath's or ark's
They should just ditch the party system and let you play as multiple characters solo like origins
I hate switching and the AI
>>340169449
After that difficult dungeon that pissed me the fuck off. Somehow I beat it but it left a bad taste in my mouth.
>>340169717
nigga what 7's ost is excellent better than Ark at least
>>340169707
Just wait a bit longer till e3.
if its not announced there it won't be for a long time.
>>340158664
>Try to guess which is which.
Trick question, Frieda is actually both.
>>340169717
>Even 7's ost doesn't touch oath's or ark's
I fucking hate the party based games so I don't say this lightly, but 7's OST shits on Ark's. It doesn't have shit on Oath's though, that's true.
Ark only had like 3 tracks off the top of my head that I thought were really good.
>>340169548
Checking it out now. Best be fucking good nigga.
>>340169978
>E3
>>340169567
Go fight your favorite boss and then learn how to get a good time on it. Like on Dularn 1 rising neutral attacks are probably the fastest way to kill Dularn.
>>340169717
>7s OST doesn't touch Oath or Ark
I know you hate the party system but come on man.
How complicated is the language in Legend of Heroes TiTS? I know it has tons of text so I figured it might be a good game to learn jap with once I'm done with core2k, if it's not too hard.
I don't hate the party system but I don't like how uninteresting the bosses are and they are too easy. I'm glad jump is back in VIII so it'll be more fun to dodge attacks that way instead of just rollin around. I don't like using Flash Guard either makes things too easy.
>>340170019
>I fucking hate the party based games so I don't say this lightly, but 7's OST shits on Ark's.
I'm glad your hatred of the party system games hasn't made you jaded to the point that you would call 7's OST bad.
>>340170129
I watched several nip players on ニコ生 and they still need the audience to help them translating the kanjis.
>>340168562
The only thing bad about new Dogi is his facial hair.
>>340170372
>I'm glad jump is back in
This. I honestly like the party system if only because having multiple characters to play with is fundamentally more fun than just one, but taking out the more sophisticated actions from the 6 engine wasn't really worth it.
Here's hoping for having our cake and eating it with 8.
>>340170558
Thanks anon. I'll find some VNs for 3 year olds instead.
>>340170129
I hear the langauge is very advance and not jap beginner friendly.
That said, seeing as how Tits is already in English probably be more worth playing Zero, a game we may never get.
>>340169449
I just abandoned the game and watched the ending on youtube. Fuck that noise, I'm not going back to grind character skills for the only battle in the game that required more than 3 of them.
>>340169449
>>340170937
Dude, what? I barely used half the cast but still had no problem with that boss.
>>340170804
Or just play Tales.
Good luck i guess, i barely surpass N3 and become lazy after that.
>>340170689
Having our cake and eating it would be just giving us Oath gameplay back.
Having jump back is an improvement but ultimately no change will make using multiple characters good.
>>340170385
Of course. I love my vidya music to the point that I'd play through a shit game providing it has a good enough OST.
>>340169548
Not bad not bad. I was skeptical but 4 out of 6 of those tracks are to my liking.
I'll have to keep that on my radar.
>>340171424
Having multiple characters isn't bad. It's just the way that they are implemented is. The slash/pierce/heavy attacks should go away. Tokyo Xanadu does the same thing with elemental attacks.
Being able to carry 99 of each healing item or grind for revival items was a mistake. Revival was special in previous games, takes away the specialness if you can just get more
>Playing Ys 2
>In Solomons Shrine
>Great music is playing
>Sister takes note of it and says she likes the track too
>She goes out for like 3-4 hours
>Comes back in and realizes the same music on and says "Are you STILL there?"
Is it just me or did it feel like 70% of Ys 2 took place in that huge place, or am I just slow as hell?
>>340172805
I got super lost there so I was there for a long time.
>>340172805
I'd say ~50-60%
>>340171424
>Having our cake and eating it would be just giving us Oath gameplay back.
No, it'd be giving us Oath + Origin back. All the good stuff rolled into one.
Consider if the party system had been switching between Yunica + Hugo + Toal.
It would've been far too easy, for starters, but imagine if they'd actually rebalanced it accordingly. Applying something like that to the new party games could be fantastic.
Is it just me or did celceta have a forgettable ost overall.
I liked forest of celceta but that's all I can recall.
>>340173550
Celceta butchered many of the tracks that were much better in Dawn / Mask of The Sun.
It's OST was very mediocre.
>>340173550
Can't remember the name, but the first field theme was pretty good.
>>340173249
>>340172805
Is it like how (more than) half of Ys 1 was Darm Tower? I'm playing through Ys 2 right now, and I was wondering if it was gonna be like that.
What's the general consensus for the games? And what's a good order to play them in? Release, or number order?
I own all of the games that were localized/translated except Seven, which I'll either buy when it's on Steam or emulate. From what I see, people don't like the party games. I was playing Celceta for a bit, dropped it because my Vita died. What's wrong with the games, exactly?
>>340173550
I can't really remember anything in particular.
Celceta had a lot of problems, but at least it was fun for just going fast. Almost like playing an Ys Musou, really, but with less braindead combat.
>>340163954
Most bosses get different moves on Nightmare and it's overall more difficult. Hard mode is less fun imo. I don't feel like theyhave "too much hp" and artificially difficult or w/e.
>>340173550
>No remix of Field.
>>340173550
>Mid boss theme is better than the standard boss theme
I hope they implement the music mod they said they might do with the PC version.
>>340173550
I gave Celceta a pass since it had to remix a lot of great songs from Dawn and Mask so it wasn't easy. But tracks which didn't follow it like Seeking the Vanished mask is really good.
>>340173828
That day Ys games aren't fast is when the series will die to me.
>>340173739
>What's wrong with the games, exactly?
They kill the difficulty changing the tight gameplay from dodging enemy attacks via jumping and good positioning to standing in front of the boss and pressing a button to "flash dodge/guard" when it's about to attack, which not only slows down time so that you can wail on the boss, but also gives you some pretty significant boosts to your damage too.
Healing items and resurrection items are also abundant which is why some people (myself included) ended up beating the games without even using flash guard/dodge because you could just rush a boss down and heal up whenever necessary.
And yes that's how Ys 2 is basically.
Play them by release, but if you don't like the old bumper systems you can skip them.
Oath is without a doubt the best game.
>>340173550
>Is it just me or did celceta have a forgettable ost overall.
Generally considered to have one of the weakest OST's.
>>340173687
>Celceta butchered many of the tracks that were much better in Dawn / Mask of The Sun.
>better in Mask of The Sun
Bullshit. Most of the MotS arrangements were bland and didn't take advantage of the SNES, while The Dawn of Ys and the J.D.K. Special(s) are interchangeable in terms of quality.
The only arrangement I legit disliked was The Dawn of Ys. Ancient Legend, Sanctuary and Tower/Iris are among my favorites arrangements, and In the Fires of Ignition is just great in Celceta.
Honestly, the whole game felt rushed. I guess they were just too focused on Nayuta no Kiseki. You know it's really bad when almost every town in the game (save for the first and the last) uses "I Want To Be Kind," which is easily one of the worst town themes in Ys history. A really baffling choice to bring over from Ys IV when other better town themes like "Beyond Reminiscence," "Leeza" and "Karna" were left on the cutting room floor.
>>340174725
>
Healing items and resurrection items are also abundant which is why some people (myself included) ended up beating the games without even using flash guard/dodge because you could just rush a boss down and heal up whenever necessary.
What. I didn't even notice healing items were in Celceta. Why would you use them instead of just using the combat mechanics?
>>340174806
Masks tracks were literally better than Celceta's remixed versions of them though.
>>340175061
Why not? The game was piss easy either way and rushing bosses down without caring about dodging got the job done just as quickly.
>>340175061
Same excuse faggots used to complain about AI party members instead of setting to passive, "I-It's a feature!" then proceed to shit on the game
>>340175226
https://youtu.be/eyeB4MytdJ4
https://youtu.be/xkHptsKg2oA
https://youtu.be/UH533aWi9Rs
Yeah, no.
>>340174725
Huh. Yeah, I can see why people don't like 'em. I was having fun, but it definitely felt weird having abundant healing unlike Ys I & 2. I noted that it felt easier in that sense. Eh, I'll probably still enjoy it to some degree when I come back to it.
I actually don't mind the bump system; it's wonky sometimes but overall I don't mind it. Even though Ys 2 just seems like Fire Magic: The Game. I feel a little bad spamming it as much as I do, but fuck it nobody can stop me. I'm definitely more looking forward to Oath-styled gameplay though. The friend who got me into Ys has Origins as his favorite, which looks pretty fun from what I've seen.
>>340175363
I guess, but I would've thought that flash dodging and guarding would still be more fun than just attacking and healing every so ofen.
>>340175413
Not even him, but lmao both the dawn and mots versions are far superior to the moc one.
>>340175413
Masks OST shits on Celceta bro, I don't know why you're trying this hard to deny it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4zpD3ipNb0&index=17&list=PLzFTGYa_evXidM55LLdLaAjEfkHhrb-oS
This track alone beats everything in the entire Celceta OST. Period.
>>340175627
I don't like the party system games. I used the features regularly in Ys Seven but could not be arsed in the slightest with Celceta, so using them or just rushing down bosses with minimal effort was not gonna make anything more fun.
>>340175716
First one isn't even from DoY to begin with. The whole point is that MotS is the Ys III SNES equivalent of Ys IV's soundtrack.
>>340176043
At least post the actual good version of the track. https://youtu.be/MroVDCngnJU
>>340176519
>At least post the actual good version of the track
Just to make sure, you do know that I prefer Dawn's OST much more than Mask right?
Only thing I'm arguing about here is that Celceta's OST is shit.
>>340176043
>>340176519
>>340176827honestly? i prefer mots's version of crimson wings. there's more going on in the track and it's less repetitive.
that part at 1:30 in mots's version is missing in the other one and it adds a lot to the track.
>>340164019
>>340164019
What was the point of putting Dogi in 5.5 if hes not gonna be playable?
>he guards the village of castaways
Literally any other party member can do this?
The excuse is worse than Celcetas "he would just tell Adol everything"
>>340177581
>What was the point of putting Dogi in 5.5 if hes not gonna be playable?
Who else would bust Adol out of the inevitable prison cell or cave-in?
>>340174725
I seem to recall nightmare/hard mode in seven giving you incredibly little in the way of consumable items meaning you actually had to use flashguard to love through some shit.
I agree that you basically just flashguard anything but at least the bosses weren't just a repeatable pattern that you trial and error. The games are easier sure but still fun and have the tension to them if you play on higher difficulties thanks to the lack of healing.
>>340177742
>playable in ys seven
>still breaks something akin to a wall to rescue adol
?
>>340169917
Here are the one's from 7 I consider good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fb9KLewxoI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6btxeXD7dtQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA7OjqnCMGI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-PTKrpnnes
From Ark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5clOwRmevk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L3xt2KN_ag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6G_nFcAjDk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsv8FSgzGu0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fblkgxJ3Tpk
Well I take it back I guess after remembering some of these. I enjoyed the stage themes more for ark but 7 has the better action battle themes.
>>340176827
>you do know that I prefer Dawn's OST much more than Mask right?
Good for you. I prefer the J.D.K. Speical(s) because it's the original and I'm a sucker for FM music.
>Only thing I'm arguing about here is that Celceta's OST is shit.
It isn't particularly strong as an Ys game, but it isn't bad either. Problem is the lack of musical variety. There just isn't enough music for the number of areas in this game -- so many areas reuse tunes that it's ridiculous. Ys has always been great at having a different bit of music for each dungeon and area on the map, and even every town would have different music. The music here isn't bad -- it borders on great, but it grates after a while. That and they cut the best tracks from the Ys IVs for no good reason for a bunch of new music. I just don't get it.
But my biggest issue with the soundtrack is that the quality is pretty varying. We have synths for the old songs, new songs that have been arranged with acoustic instruments, and in the end it's all an inconsistent mess. Ys Seven may not come close to Chronicles in terms of sound quality thanks to the synths, but at least the overall direction of the soundtrack was consistent.
>>340177078
You mean just like the trumphets "add a lot" in Ys III SNES? Because most of people hate the music from that one.
>>340177892
>I seem to recall nightmare/hard mode in seven giving you incredibly little in the way of consumable items meaning you actually had to use flashguard to love through some shit.
You're right anon, which is why I actually used flash guard in Seven but not in Celceta.
I mention that here actually >>340176470
>>340178027
Let me help you add just a few more to your Ys Seven list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIqeKo-9KQQ&index=14&list=PL5C82C89A898C9C21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFf5epv2-4I&list=PL5C82C89A898C9C21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAnywKkF9X4&index=40&list=PL5C82C89A898C9C21
>>340178223
I can't think of a single track in Celceta that grabs my attention personally.
There's not a single track that grips me and makes me want to sit an an area for no other reason than to listen to the track.
Oath was full of tracks that did that. In fact, the only fucking place in Oath that had a shit theme was the dark cave area.
Tracks like A Searing Struggle really get your attention though, and that's what I was hoping for from Celceta but it just didn't deliver shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsxevyPuFU
>>340178983
>Desert of Despair
Awww yeah those bells are glorious.
>>340164540
>destroys it in terms of OST
See, I love Ark's music (RIP Wataru Ishibashi), but Seven's one of the high marks of recent Falcom Sound Team jdk. Losing Masanori Osaki and the more varied style of dungeon themes heard in Seven was balls for Celceta, much as I like that OST also.
>>340162856
>Falcom takes 4 years to make an uber-Ys set on an island
>Wholesale inserts Sen II's airship and calls it the Drifting Village
>Also adds new platforming, duels with a giant monkey and a whole solo-style part of the game where you play the new Ys girl
I think Falcom's trying to please a lot of people this time around, my friend. This + the Neo-Falcom memer need to get some perspective. Granted, I still think VIII will carry over Celceta's inept skill/crafting systems, so there's the rub.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGH1fLr66es&list=LLUCI8rjHilqOigWAutyKI-w&index=1
Why is it unused bros, it's so good.
>>340165757
Nothing new, since Ys Eternal's the Gagharv-influenced version of Ys I. But the Kiseki elements being forced in (i.e. convos for every event, getting every character's reaction) don't fit Ys, and that likely won't change until we can get our message to Falcom more directly. Kiseki will finish one day, too (outside of spinoffs), and Kondo's gonna want to focus on Gagharv remakes in the Kiseki style.
>>340178983
When will the party based gameplay be replaced? I've not been interested in Ys since MoC and now the new Ys is going that same route. Is Ys dead or is there still hope?
>>340148073
I enjoyed it just as much.
>>340148624
Cecelta has better combat and world imo, better exploring too.
>story in Ys
What
>>340162031
Its the worst because its on the Vita* you should make that distinction, since the game is still great and better than plenty of other titles in the series.
>>340181898
>said nobody ever.
Celceta is just plain bad. The system it is on is irrelevant.
>>340181898
>since the game is still great and better than plenty of other titles in the series.
Kefin and...?
>>340181558
Party system meme will either be changed after VIII (since Falcom seems to like to make around 3 games before switching it up) or never.
>>340181898
What does the vita have to do about anything? The game is shit in almost all aspects.
>>340182290
Even V was more enjoyable than Celceta for me. At least I actually finished V. Celceta remains the only game in the entire series that I dropped due to how shit it is.
>>340166347
Falcom will likely remake Ys V after they finish VIII. I hope they'll keep up the pattern of three games using a new style, meaning this remake would diverge from the party system and try something different.
>>340170372
>uninteresting
The Wind bosses in Seven at least kick ass and give you a lot to learn, same with a lot of the others. Kava Kelos is probably the hardest in that game, definitely a Felghana-tier challenge that stands out. Flash Guard in Seven also has to be timed right when coming out of dodge rolls or it won't even register, but simply sitting around for the whole fight makes it take too long. Finding the balance makes bosses in Seven interesting; items only do so much when you're first learning the patterns. And I'll probably do a no-item run later, too.
Personally I think the party system (only played Seven) improves on Napishtim's sword switching correctly. I had no reason to use the thunder sword in Ys VI, but Pierce characters are useful, and the skill/loot progression's natural.
>>340173487
The good stuff would be a solo Geis adventure that brings us to Romn for the first time.
>>340182636
>>340181558
>Party system meme will either be changed after VIII (since Falcom seems to like to make around 3 games before switching it up) or never.
That's a point. If they were to switch the game mechanics up again, how should they do it?No going back allowed. You know they won't go back to the 6 system.
>>340183043
I don't think they'll get rid of the party system. Probably make some changes to it but not remove it entirely
>>340182636
I highly highly doubt we'll get Oath style gameplay back though even after VIII.
>>340183668
Or they'll do something closer to Zwei!! (II) and games derived from it (Nayuta, Toxanadu). I definitely can't see them doing straightforward mid-2000s Ys again because that places limits on what kinds of story premises the series can have (unless we're talking about Geis, but some purists won't even try an Ys game if it lacks Adol). That doesn't mean Falcom has to cash-crop themselves into one style for all of their games.
Daily reminder to try and buy Xanadu Next in droves so Falcom-senpai can notice us.
>>340183626
>>340183725
Go back or bust. I don't trust them to make a competent new system after they dropped the ball as hard as they did with the party system.
There's not really any other games like Oath/Origin/Ark so I don't see any problem with them going back to that system, it's not like they would have to compete with anybody and they would be filling a niche at the same time.
Fucking Oath. I had gotten so used to modern JRPGs. I laugh a little bit when people whine about Dark Souls.
Seven was fun but the only boss that gave me any trouble was that phoenix. This track though man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVNH7wj8nyU
>>340184481
Anon you're setting yourself up for disappointment and you know it. I want another Oath too but it just isn't going to happen.
Just let go anon.Let go.
>>340184829
>The only boss that gave me any trouble was phoenix
If you're talking about Kava Kelos
>mfwtake off the wind cape
did people actually like 7
least memorable game in the series
>>340184829
Nothing can top the Coliseum fight. Still the best part from any Ys game.
>use the origin system
>make a three part story where each part focuses on a different character: Adol, Dogi, Geis
>final fourth chapter where you okay as all three individually but in different parts
>npc partner characters may be involved in some parts for a pseudo seven system
Would you play it?
>>340185420
nope
>>340185663
Nothing can satisfy purists, not even a nice middle ground
>>340185420
>>make a three part story where each part focuses on a different character: Adol, Dogi, Geis
Sure, because the most important thing is that you play with ONE character at a time. I don't give a fuck about who I play. I'd play all of the next games as fucking Yunica if it would abolish the party system.
>>npc partner characters may be involved in some parts for a pseudo seven system
No, fuck this shit though.
Sounds much better than what we have currently though.
Despite that though, I still don't see why any of the other characters are even relevant. Why not just have a story based on one person again, be it Adol or whoever the fuck else.
>>340185809
focus on a single character is pretty much always the way to go.
it doesn't even have to be adol. origin system was great.
>>340185893
>though
>though
>though
Alright I'm not gonna say though anymore from now on.
Geis game when
He is better than Adol in every single aspect
>>340148073
A bit too easy on normal but the combat is smooth except for some areas with frame drops.
Probably not a problem on PC
>>340185893
>having multiple playble characters is bad
Just as bad as the sonicfags
>>340186394
He's petty, but I love him. A game where he sets out to stop Ernst, only losing him right before the events leading to Ys VI, would be great. Lo and behold, that would be Falcom's best chance to do a solo-style game again. And the heavy metal soundtrack could be amazing, maybe even like Brandish 3 awesome.
>>340186567
>Being illiterate
I've literally just said I'd settle on having multiple characters providing you play them completely separately and not as part of a party.
>>340186757
>all this fags complaining about the party system
I bet they could give you a game exactly like napishtism but with party members and you fags would still complain.
Party members didnt even make 20% of your fucking damage in seven, like what the hell?
>>340187057
Except I'm one of the Anons not complaining about the party system? I think Geis should have a solo adventure, he's a lone wolf if Ys ever had one. I just played through Seven on Hard and would rank it favorably.
>>340186915
>Despite that though, I still don't see why any of the other characters are even relevant. Why not just have a story based on one person again, be it Adol or whoever the fuck else.
>>340187057
>I bet they could give you a game exactly like napishtism but with party members and you fags would still complain.
Then it wouldn't be a game like Napishtim so yes of course we'd complain. Party system is cancer.
>>340187236
Falcom didn't handle party memebers properly
They were completely unremarkable and easily forgotten
Only Geis Aisha and Dogi were decent since they stayed relevant during the entire game
>>340187057
>Casual shitter chimes in with his irrelevant opinion.
Yes let's keep the games being a piss easy shadow of how they used to be.
Sounds to me like the only reason you kiss the party systems ass is because you need it as a crutch due to you being dog shit at the games.
>Woops I died, good thing I have two more characters and can resurrect whoever dies :^)
>>340187236
Yes and?
I'm clearly implying that I'd rather do away with having other characters completely since it adds fuck all, but I'd be willing to compromise with the whole "each character has sections in which you use only them" over the shit we have currently.
Ys 7 had quite a bit of cancer but party system wasn't one of them. (Combat items, flashguard, no jumping, material grinding)
>>340187480
>>340187480
You are talking about story not gameplay, which is what everybody is whining about here despite he fact that the game was practically solo aside from being able to switch party members on the fly which was esentially the same thing as switching through your swords.
Yeah the game was easier but I dob't see how the gameplay was changed significantly.
Also,
>ys
>story
And despite how irrelevant the party members were they STILL managed to make it interesting and give a decent amount of character development to each
>>340187893
>>340187893
>since they do fuckall
Except make the game less boring since you're not just seeing one character develop.
Your opinions are hot garbage and your anime girs just make you look worse.
>>340188013
>>340188194
Who let the autist in?
>lol having party members doesn't change the gameplay significantly who cares if it makes the game easy
Fuck off retard.
>>340187893
>party system can't be balanced to make it as hard as before
>the game needs to be EXACTLY THE SAME OR I WILL FUCKING CRY
>>340188350
Literally no argument.
Pottery
>>340188194
>Except make the game less boring since you're not just seeing one character develop.
Except it does quite literally the opposite and does make the game boring because now, instead of actually moving around a boss arena and jumping around to evade attacks, you stand still and play a glorified quick time event game to dispatch of bosses with ease.
The only one who has shit opinions here is you my casual friend.
>>340188350
>Doesn't like change
>calls someone else an autist
>>340188512
>I like party members! Stop disliking them waaah
>I need my games easy to stop me from throwing a tantrum
That is the extent of your argument, there's nothing to debate here, you're a joke.
>>340188562
>>340188562
If you read my post careully you'd realize I am not talking about gameplay or having a party system but rather having multiple playable characters a la origins.
Retarded anime girl poster.
>>340188632
Change is not necessarily good, especially in regards to putting in a party system in Ys.
>>340188701
>give an argument
>get dismissed by no argument
Like i said pottery. Other than bosses being significantly EASIER which I agree with, the gameplay change to party system wasn't as significant as people say it was. Its basically the sword thing from napishtism.
If anything you should be complaining about flashguard and flash dodge, those are the real gameplay changers.
>>340148073
It's okay. It's not a bad game but it's considerably weaker than Ys 7 in a lot of aspects in my opinion. I played through the game very recently and nothing about Celceta really stood out to me.
Just pirate the PC version with the english 60 FPS patch.
>>340188795
How the fuck does having multiple characters make the game less boring? I couldn't give the slightest shit about the story in Origins, or any other Ys game for that matter. These games excel due to their tight, good difficulty gameplay and excellent OST's, not story.
>>340189246
Neo-Ys adopters are easy to spot, which is why the games are becoming more story driven even though the story has never really been a big thing in Ys.
Remember when the story was just there for being there sake? Good times.
>>340189246
To be honest if you don't give a shit about any of that ghen having multiple playable characters shouldn't be an issue to you. It gives you more gamelay and content, doesnmt change the original formula and it appeals to the sort of audience who likes appreciating the characters they play as.
Its kinda like picking your favorite character in a fighting game.
Its really not that hard to grasp if you aren't an autist.
Aso believe it or not there are people who can enjoy a story as simple as ys. i know its hard to understand for autists like you but other people do live on this planet.
>>340158713
You might as well start in Nightmare with Celceta. The game lets you turn down the difficulty any time you like, but you can't raise it up again after you do.
>>340189391
Always liked the lore. It was never deep, but it was there for people who liked to have more context or look into things.
>>340189108
>the gameplay change to party system wasn't as significant as people say it was
Except it is.
>Healing
>Resurrection
>Flash Guard
>Flash Dodge
>Characters with exclusively ranged attacks
>No jumping
Those change the gameplay significantly
>>340189391
Actually I remember the story being quite impactful even on the original ys 1, it certainly told a better story than similar games of its generation, full of interesting lore and whatnot, its actually quite fun to see how the story connects between the games.
>>340189391
The stories are practically the same shit every game anyway, just with different settings and characters.
>>340189680
Did you read my entire post?
>characters wih ranged attacks
These werent broken, they dealed shit damage and dodge spam on worked effectively in normal and down. Boss fights would take hours if you abused this tactic. Also Hugo was like this.
>>340189564
>To be honest if you don't give a shit about any of that ghen having multiple playable characters shouldn't be an issue to you. It gives you more gamelay and content, doesnmt change the original formula and it appeals to the sort of audience who likes appreciating the characters they play as.
I said I didn't mind that.
You're the one who shit the bed because I said I'd rather not go that route.
It's a pretty simple thing to understand, Pajeet.
>>340189391
Exactly. I appreciate the lore for what it is, but I would hardly go around recommending Ys to people for its "deep" story.
>>340190136
>go back to opinions
Why are you arguing then? You asked what was the point of having multiple characters, and I answered why it wasn't a bad thing.
Are you going to refuse that too?
>>340190136
Lore is a large part of the "story".
It also helps that Ys doesn't tend to be linear or predictable for that matter, in its storytelling.
A simple story isn't bad if you tell it well.
>>340189680
Aisha is literally the worst character in that game and mishera is only useful for two particular fights because the boss resists blunt and slash.
The same exact thing applies to karna in Celceta.
Ranged characters dealt really crap damage, aisha in particular, dodging was hella ineffective. Flashguard definetely was broken. With flashguard you could easily wreck bosses in five minutes with the hammer loli or dogi who were the hardest hitting characters from their respective games.
>>340190341
>Why are you arguing then?
I'm arguing because you suddenly became shitter shattered because I wasn't 100% behind your idea that there should be different playable characters.
>You asked what was the point of having multiple characters
No I never. You made a suggestion about some "compromise" gameplay with a mixture of party based gameplay and playable characters.
I said it sounds alright, except I'd do away with the party based shit entirely and I'd prefer if they just stuck with one character instead of spreading themselves thin for no reason and having multiple.
There's a good reason why Oath > Origin despite Origin being a great game.
Now try not to get triggered so easily next time. If you feel like sperging out again, I recommend heading to your nearest safespace to recompose yourself.
>>340190458
>It also helps that Ys doesn't tend to be linear or predictable for that matter
What.
How didn't you find just about every Ys predictable? The same shit happens every game, and it's hardly surprising.
>>340190003
>Did you read my entire post?
Yes, just because you brought up flash guard and evade yourself doesn't diminish how much they changed the game for the worse.
You said yourself that the party games kill boss difficulty. That in itself is enough of a reason to frown upon them considering boss fights are so integral to the Ys games.
ys has literally never been about the story.
>gotta make my way to goddess
>woops the goddess got captured
>gotta save the goddess
>woops ancient evil has awoken because of the evil ore
>>340191226
i think you don't quite understand what is meant by "predictable". Zelda for example or pokemon have really predictable story telling since the story itself follows the same formula. Isn't isn't quite like that.
>same shit happens every game
Not really. Unless you're one of thise faggots that will cry
>evil villain world domination
>or brainwashing
>evil god
Even so you'd still be wrong
By the way:
>Despite that though, I still don't see why any of the other characters are even relevant. Why not just have a story based on one person again, be it Adol or whoever the fuck else.
Quuoted from one of your earlier posts. Its not exactly shaped like a question but you were certainly settling for an argument on something that would essentialy be improved gameplay.
You got asshurt when someone compared you to a sonicfag, which is pretty much what you were being if by that its meant that youd be one of those guys that gets triggered over the sonic adventure formula.
>>340191345
>>340191345
None of what you said applies to the party system itself though. All of that can be changed to be harder and preserve the party system.
>>340192059
>All of that can be changed to be harder and preserve the party system.
No it can't, not unless they outright remove flash guard and evade as well as all the healing items.
At that point there would be 0 reason to have the party system anyway.
Checking out the global achievements on steam for various Ys games I noticed this for Ys VI.
What the fuck? How has more people defeated the last boss than the 2nd last boss?
>>340192336
Except thats wrong.
It'd be pretty much the same as Oath, you're preserving a health bar across three characters since you lack healing on the get go.
That being said its not like bosses canmt be balanced around healing items, just make sure not to include revival items.
>>340158929
>original
Wouldn't Mask of the Sun be the original Ys 4? Since Dawn of Ys is made by Hudson?
Also I'm playing through it, but havn't gotten very far. Only at the fire boss
>>340191963
>You got asshurt when someone compared you to a sonicfag
>You will never get blown the fuck out so hard that you have to blatantly lie when there is evidence proving you wrong a few posts up
See :
>>340186915
>I've literally just said I'd settle on having multiple characters providing you play them completely separately and not as part of a party.
Where is the asshurt? I can easily pinpoint when you shit the bed right here >>340188194
>Your opinions are hot garbage and your anime girs just make you look worse.
You're even getting triggered due to some anime pictures lmao.
>Zelda for example or pokemon have really predictable story telling since the story itself follows the same formula.
Ys follows a formula.
I'm sorry but if Ys's story catches you offguard despite it being straight forward as fuck then I think you are honestly braindead.
Everybody knows the Ys story is there to move things along. It's not the main focus point, it has its purpose and it serves it well.
>MoC apologists ruin another comfy Falcom thread
Nice.
>>340192826
>That being said its not like bosses canmt be balanced around healing items, just make sure not to include revival items.
The only thing I've got from our chat is that you are wanting the games to be easier. If that's the case maybe the Ys series isn't for you.
Why would we need to balance bosses around healing when we had a perfectly fine system beforehand?
The things you are suggesting are leaning further and further towards Oaths gameplay, and yet you insist on hanging on to having a party when it provides no real benefits but comes with a ton of flaws.
>tfw I like all Ys games
>>340194562
>tfw I don't
>>340158664
>Armpit revealing outfit
>>340194839
Get out of here Chester. You're dead.
>>340194839
This smug little bitch, This Golden haired fuccboi.
I swear, he was such a god damn rat fink son of a bitch in Oath. God dammit. Him and Sweet Pope.I fucking love oath.
>>340192924
There were both not Falcom. What Falcom did with 4 before Celceta was selling a script of 4 and liscensing companies to make the game. Which is why Mask of the Sun and Dawn of Ys exists as the 4th Ys games.
Then Falcom decided to remake the game and took elements from both Mask of the Sun and Dawn of Ys and their own revisions to make Celceta.
Also, Mask of the Sun < Dawn of Ys on multiple levels. The only thing it had better than it was not retconning everything from Ys I and II, and technically being the canonical game but with Celceta out, not much reason to play Mask of the Sun except for some historical curiosity. It's not a bad game but not good either.
>>340195282Fuck you.
Stay away from my sister too.
>>340195558I love Oath too, let's fuck.
>>340195645
>and technically being the canonical game but with Celceta out, not much reason to play Mask of the Sun except for some historical curiosity.
Mask of The Sun is better than Celceta though. We've been over this earlier in the thread.
>>340195773
>Implying Adol will ever return to Felghana
>>340196084
I know but in general, you now play Dawn of Ys for best "old school experience" and Celceta once to get the "canonical story. Which leaves Mask of the Sun in a hard place because unless you want the "full Ys 4" experience, there isn't much reason to play it since Dawn of Ys is practically better than Mask of the Sun in the gameplay and level design department.
