Rip Nvidia
- Home
- Board: /v/ - Video Games
- Reading: Rip Nvidia
$199 & it's equal to 1070
>only diehard BLACKED Ncucks will buy Nvidia now.
Where are them specs at bro, if it's fucking equal I'm so getting it finally getting rid of this 760
>yfw you'll still get shit performance on all major titles because of the way its meant to be played™
Nothing in life comes free (or discounted) anon
Maybe if AMD spent this shill budget on R&D instead, they'd having more than 18% of the market.
It's a shame reference cards are always trash, they look nice and minimal.
>>340139808
It'll certainly be quite a bit weaker than the GTX 1070. AMD themselves say it's GTX 980 tier.
>>340138332
DELETE THIS
>>340138332
It's not even close to the 1070. It's supposedly between 390 and 390x performance.
That's still fucking awesome though for a $200 card.
>yfw dx12 will make cheap ass AMD CPUs like the FX6300 on par with i7s
Truly a glorious age to live in.
Buying an FX and an R9 290 was the best decision of my life
AMD products actually get better with age while Ncuck shit become obsolete in 2 years
>>340138332
is this the card for the new ps4k?
>>340140270
when is dx12 going to become the norm
>>340140339
All games currently under development will be DX12 compatible
>>340140169
I'll fucking wait for the 1070, feel safer in Nvidias hands... But I'm still debating wether to get it I'm not playing any games that require a massive rig, just medium shit
Guys, you're forgetting the most important part of DX12. It requires W10. I for one am not leaving from my W7. I rather dual boot some linus than give M$ total control of my computer / OS
>>340140485
dual boot
>>340138332
>Its as powerful as a 1070.
>Everybody goes to buy it and its sold out.
>Stalled into their PC.
>Ready for gayman.
>No games work what so ever.
>polaris + zen
AMD is back
>>340140450
>feel safer in Nvidias hands
kek
>>340140450
>I'll fucking wait for the 1070, feel safer in Nvidias hands
I'm no fanboy, I switch accordingly and have usually switched every gen, but if you really feel that way that means you're not doing your research and eating up the intense marketing NVIDIA does with their closed source bullshit. I've stood away from NVIDIA last gen because of their constant bullshit (3.5gb, downgrading older gen cards with new drivers). AMD is no angel, but as of now they're a lot less shady.
Yeah, and in Australia it'll still be 500 dollars and no point to buying anyway because reasons.
>>340138332
We all aren't poor like you op. Some of us don't have to settle for inferior products. amd is garbage
>>340138332
It's also AMD.
>>340140485
Don't listen to this guy. >>340140684
Instead, triple boot. No, quadruple. XP for old games, Windows 7 for DX11, Windows 10 for DX12, and finally Linux for everything else.
>>340140875
it will probably be $400 AUD.
The 1070 is $800 AUD (double the American numeric price) so I couldn't see the 480 being any higher that $400.
If it was, just import it.
Whats a good build eith the rx 480?
>>340140926
>I enjoy being fucked in the ass by big corporations!
>>340140728
>zen
See you in 2017 for a processor on par with Intel processors from 2013
>>340140817
Then you haven't heard about AMD threatening to sue media outlets for 'libel'?
>>340141019
t. increasingly nervous intel goym
>>340138332
>it's equal to 1070
One week ago it was below the 970, AMD sure is working hard these last few days
>>340138332
Ah yes I can't wait to pay $200 to exclusively play AOTS with a few more fps.
>>340141015
I wouldn't buy it on launch. It's just the first taste of Polaris. Wait until fall when the rest of the line comes out and decide what to buy then.
>>340141016
Whatever makes you feel better about being poor anon. Some of us actually have disposable income and don't mind paying for the best. Enjoy your peasant gpu
>>340141107
>One week ago it was below the 970
It was never below the 970 what the fuck are you saying
>>340141019
>implying Intel has made noticeable performance gains in the last 3 gens
>>340140961
Microsoft is forcing some people to W10, they comps get updated to W10 without their consent or agreement. I think that if any should be clear sign where things are heading. You should never ever give so much power over your OS, there's always the layer (software / app control), but NEVER the OS!
>>340140270
>A graphics API is magically going to make cpu processing better
I really wish /v/ would stop pretending to know anything about hardware
>>340138332
Poorfags will defend this
>buy a gtx 970 for $350
>find out a $200 card is better
>DX12
I'd rather be running off of Auschwitz OS 7 and paying extra than running SpyWare "WE'RE NOT SPYING OR ANYTHING" 10
Buying this card means you are a mid range cuck. Enjoy not being able to play on ultra ever.
>>340140961
alright quad boot here i cum
>>340138332
>$199 & it's equal to 1070
Going to need a citation.
>>340141245
Well yea that's the biggest market so this is probably the best move possible by AMD, price/performance is the only important metric anyway
>>340141245
Poorfags are >90% of the market.
>>340140276
All signs point to the PS4K having a very similar GPU in terms of tech, but console and PC gpus are different so the answer is technically no.
>>340138332
>it's equal to 1070
Not even AMD says this. This is just bait.
>>340141091
guess again
I'm even running a "fusion" rig
>>340141182
IPC improvement with skylake was pretty phenomenal overall. The bulldozer up through excavator improvement was fucking abysmal by comparison.
I'm building a new rig with a 6600k this month.
>>340141304
Literally the only semi-citation is AOTS. Which I don't think anyone actually fucking plays. They just use it the benchmark-post on /g/.
But I'd like to see more sources than AMD and some Krauts
>>340141107
it was always "about a 980".
OP is being ironic, if you couldn't pick that up based on his meme speak (HAHA BLACKED XD) then you may genuinely be autistic.
>>340141019
that's still quite an advance from having a 2015 cpu that's barely faster than a competitor's 2006 one
>>340141368
>fusion
You're on a fucking laptop m8
>>340140751
I can tell you there is some truth to the amd has no drivers
>>340141208
FX series processing power was always there you cuck. It was just not used cause few games / software actually take advantage of 8 cores.
For game at least DX12 will fix that and will make FX series on par with current intel offerings for a fraction of the cost.
>>340141156
Yes good goy, keep spending your shekels overpriced hardware.
>>340141271
i have the most powerful version of 750ti. i play all games on ultra except the modern Hitman
games like ds3 does 28-45fps . doom 4 on ultra 28-45fps
>inb4 lies
>>340141457
They've been getting consistently better lately, with more and more effort being put into drivers.
>>340141386
One game isn't enough to convince me, we'll see how well it performs in comparison to a 1070 when they release more benchmarks.
>>340141484
Dx12 isn't going to magically parallelize game engines, anon. Not that much will change.
>>340138332
Nice repost shill
I sure like those reviews. .. oh wait
>>340141557
nice try shill, go read the benchmarks
>>340141484
I don't think you understand the difference between graphics and cpu.
We've had multi-threading for fucking decades now. If FX and MORE CORES were the shining light[which they aren't] Intel would have been kill years ago.
I'm genuinely sorry you fell for the FX misinfo from /g/. But please quit shitposting and spouting misinfo.
DX12 is not the savior you think it is.
>>340141581
>shill
This is simply common sense.
>>340141448
no shit.
"Fusion" was supposed to be their killer budget gaming solution
for 600$ four years ago it's STILL better than most 800$ gaming laptops I can buy today.
The fusion/crossfire though?
Didn't do shit. Hurts performance in most games, no improvement in anything.
>>340141484
>win10
>windows store
No thanks
Also no games
I'll wait for vulkan
>>340141532
>I can play games slightly less worse than consoles
Alright m8.
>>340141536
Ashes wasn't even a 480 vs a 1070, it was x2 480s vs a 1080.
Anyone comparing a 480 to a 1070 is a retard.
They are two different price ranges.
The 1070 is double the price of a 480 and a tier above in terms of performance, beating nvidia's 900 series in the process.
The 480 is for people who want high end 2015 performance at a rock bottom price.
The 1070 is for people who want a step forward and don't mind paying a premium.
The real competition for the 1070 will likely be a 480x or 490.
>>340141156
I could give everything I own for a piece of bread and it would still be just that, some bread.
>>340141695
>>340141634
>>340141564
INTEL SHILLS OUT IN FULL FORCE KEK
Read this you dumb cucks
https://forum.teksyndicate.com/t/intel-vs-amd-directx12-performance-preview-amd-destroys-intel/75229
>AMD has gained a 41.2% Increase in performance in Windows 10, just by switching from DirectX11 to DirectX12 version of Star Swarm. Annhilating Intel in all factors. where intels performance increase was just around 3.25%
>AMD has gained a 41.2% Increase in performance in Windows 10, just by switching from DirectX11 to DirectX12 version of Star Swarm. Annhilating Intel in all factors. where intels performance increase was just around 3.25%
>AMD has gained a 41.2% Increase in performance in Windows 10, just by switching from DirectX11 to DirectX12 version of Star Swarm. Annhilating Intel in all factors. where intels performance increase was just around 3.25%
How many of you are willing to shill for W10 to get DX12? You either play games on DX12 or Vulkan do get most out of AMD cards, or you play on DX11 with Nvidia card.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10411295
http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=3505&gid2=3489&compare=geforce-gtx-1070-vs-radeon-r9-480-4gb
GTX 1070 IS ONLY 15% BETTER THAN THE RX480 FOR NEARLY DOUBLE THE PRICE. LMFAO NVIDIA FANBOYS WILL DEFEND THIS.
Nvidia is not finished. The 960 has 66% the performance of the 970. It had 60% of the cost of the 970 at launch. If the 1060 has the same ratios of price and performance to the 1070 that the 960 does to the 970, which is very plausibly because those ratios are very close for the 970 to the 980 and 1070 to the 1080, then it will cost $230 (same as the 8gb rx 480) and perform on par with an r9 390 (again, on par with an rx 480).
I'm only worried about the 480 because the NDA lifts on the release day iirc, could they be trying to conceal something? If it's really as good as they say it is, they should let us have the benchmarks before buying it.
>>340141484
But cpu doesn't matter that much for gaymen. Gpu is always the bottleneck unless you are running some garbage processor from 7+ years ago.
>>340141156
>Says he's rich
>Talks like a poor person who doesn't understand money
>Doesn't understand opportunity costs
Well you're too stupid to stay rich, but don't worry when you make yourself poor the rest of us don't judge.
>>340141807
>AMD shills don't even know what APUs are
>>340141840
>If it's really as good as they say it is, they should let us have the benchmarks before buying it.
So... don't buy it until you see the benchmarks?
>>340141861
I agree, the point is that for DX12 buying a $500 CPU is full retard. We're at a stage where a $150 CPU is more than enough.
>>340141914
Look at how hyped people are ITT. A lot of people are going to buy it regardless.
>>340141489
They have the best on the market and that's irrefutable. Until that changes I'll continue to buy from them. Don't hate just because some of us can afford nice things
>>340141702
You should read consoles system specs if that's the brainwashed attitude your bring to the table
>>340141840
the 960 was more expensive and performed worse than the 280x and 380, why would you expect them to hold parity with a 1060?
The 1060 will likely be a few fps slower than the 480, be $50 more and nvidia will sell people on features like Ansel.
>>340141807
I own amd dumbass
Fuck win10 you fucking illiterate retard
Fuck dx12
Give me vulkan
Also
>literal who game gains performance due to shit programming or implementation of api calls in dx12
>being an annoying cunt who pastes 3 times over
>>340141898
>pays bottom dollar for scraps
>buyers remorse sets in
>starts shilling like mad
>N-no, y-you're the poor one anon!
top fucking kek, just kill yourselves already AMDrones
>tfw amd is letting poorfags like me play 1080p 60fps for a cheap price
>>340141990
>brainwashed attitude
No, if I'm going to invest in a PC. I'll spend the money to not have a console-tier experience.
Consoles can never do 1440 @ stable 60 on ultra.
People who treat pcs like slightly more expensive consoles are stupid.
>>340142059
dx11**
>>340138332
Well AMD said that two 480's deliver same performance as a 1080 for 200 dollarydoos less with the Ashes of Singularity DX12 demo they showed, then said the 1080 they had wasn't compiling all of the shaders and was running on a lighter load.
So, this is DX12 and a single game that has been proven to run better with AMD cards is no proof that AMD is "back at the top" and of course the power consumption of two cards on Crossfire is going to be higher, but it's still cheaper and PhysX and Hairworks look like ass either way.
I think I'm gonna wait until the 3rd party versions come out and then decide. I suggest you all do the same.
>>340142076
at low with no shadows/aa yea
would like to see your face when you try to ultra that shit
>>340142061
>shilling
There's two kinds of rich people anon.
Those that stay rich, and those that are temporarily rich.
>>340138332
It's actually equal to the 980, it's the 490 that will be equal to 1070 for $300
>>340142059
DX12 is likely going to be favored over vulkan because it requires less effort to optimize for.
even emulators are using DX12 now.
Historically speaking developers don't tend to put much effort into optimizing their games, and don't care about people not on windows, so DX12 is probably going to be the defacto solution for everyone except the few good devs that give a fuck.
Search your heart, you know it to be true.
>>340142124
But 120 frames per second on a FPS game is better than 60, what then?
>>340141807
Just so you know m8.
They're comparing AMD APUs to Intel integrated graphics (HD4k).
Which isn't surprising considering its teksyn.
>>340141824
The 960 had a worse price/performance ratio than the 970, yet the 970 is the most common card according to the Steam hardware survey. There is a large segment of the market that is willing to pay more for better performance. Also, we have fuck all benchmarks for the 480 except what AMD cherrypicked.
>>340142003
>why would you expect them to hold parity with a 1060?
Because look at the math I just did. If the 1060 is faster than the 960 by the exact same margins the 1070 is faster than a 970 and the 1080 is faster than a 980, then it will be on par with an rx 480. This shouldn't be hard to believe, because AMD is not toting the 480 as a high performing card. It's last gen performance. But I do agree, Nvidia's feature set outside of just raw performance is what sells a lot of cards for them.
>>340142167
that still pretty ok price
will nvidia lower the 980 to match it after the 1080 come out?
>>340138332
Too bad 99% of Nvidia fans are diehard BLACKED Ncucks that will buy anything Nvidia no matter what.
>>340142156
unless you play the latest AAA garbage then you can easily max out 1080p with a 480
>>340142076
this desu fampai my GTX 770 has needed a cheap and big upgrade for awhile.
GTX 980 for $199? Sold
>>340142156
>muh shadows
>muh high AA that rapes the card
lmfao go ahead pay 100% or more extra for that trash
>>340142248
witcher3 is AAA garbage?
>>340142192
Currently waiting for a decent 120hz IPS.
Don't play a whole lot of FPS though.
Just Serious Sam mostly.
>>340142149
The thing about AoTS is the engine is written very specifically to take advantage of dx12's capabilities, in a game that makes good use of it with a large number of units on the screen all doing things at once.
It's not going to matter as much for a certain small team based FPS, say, that doesn't do much in the way of complex simulation or physics.
>>340142234
>If the 1060 is faster than the 960 by the exact same margins the 1070 is faster than a 970 and the 1080 is faster than a 980, then it will be on par with an rx 480. This shouldn't be hard to believe, because AMD is not toting the 480 as a high performing card. It's last gen performance. But I do agree, Nvidia's feature set outside of just raw performance is what sells a lot of cards for them.
your math is sound but your business sense isn't.
nvidia knows the market, they know people see them as the premium solution.
they're going to charge more at every tier, I would be very surprised if the 1060 was the same price and performance as the 480.
>>340142304
Yea witcher games are pretty bad, the combat is pathetic
>>340142167
>it's the 490 that will be equal to 1070 for $300
Speculation.
>>340142156
>implying im playing on ultra now
Kek, i don't give a shit about maxing the game out.
>>340142382
there you go then
a slightly more expensive console experience, AMD
>>340141824
This is literally nothing new in terms of Nvidia's price vs performance model.
>instead of giving Nvidia direct competition at the mid-high end, AMD just give up and cheap out at the garbage-bin tier
Oh well
>My piece of metal and plastic is better than yours!
No better than console cucks who argue over the same petty shit desu.
>mfw want to back the red team but Nvidia "just works" tier while AMD tends to lag behind
REEEEEE WHY IS THIS DECISION SO HARD /v/? I need to replace my GTX 770. Do I back team green with the GTX 1070 or team red with the RX480?
>>340142449
>mfw vega is only coming out Q1 2017
by then nvidia will have 1080ti as well
RIP AMD
>>340142449
see >>340141350
It's amazing how dumb you guys are. AMD made the best call.
>>340142464
Poorfags don't have much in life.
It's amazing how similar they are to sonyggers though.
>>340141840
>NDA lifts on the release day iirc, could they be trying to conceal something?
it's not a videogame when people buy it day one, day one is less than a percent of sales everyone sane waits for reviews
>>340142364
But look how good AMD is doing on social media right now. /v/, /g/, and lots of gaming subreddits are excited about the 480. Nvidia knows they cannot just compete on image alone, they need to be close to the 480 in terms of price/performance. So I'm guessing $220-$240 for the 1060 while being on par with the 480. Nvidia can afford to have lower profit margins than AMD to maintain their market share, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried that for a while to prevent AMD from getting a larger foothold.
>>340142513
Do you want to pay $400 or $200? You aren't comparing cards in the same tier, bro. All I can tell you is that the 1070 has around 20% better performance for twice the price
Reminder that AMD is represented by a poo-in-the-loo
>>340142513
AMD 1070/1080 is VEGA
poolaris is a low/mid card
you are gonna have to wait till 2017
>>340142513
To add to this post, do I wait for Vega? The RX490?
>>340142534
why should I see a shit opinion?
I want evolution through bleeding edge competition. Not slightly cheaper and better shit year after year.
Fucking poorfags need to find a new hobby.
>>340142437
>Damage control
Are you upset manlet nerd?
>>340141958
>Paying extra just to get a few FPS out of games that >>340138332 can probably already max out.
Fucking kek, yeah the jews have definitely gotten to you, but go ahead keep spending your money on your overpriced toys like the good little """consumer""" that you are.
>>340142627
Vega is launching Q1 2017, it will be a long wait
>>340141532
>I can play ultra
>But at 1 FPS
MUSTARD RACE
>>340141958
>i have money so it's okay that the companies rape me!
good
goy
This card alone cannot outperform the 1070. During their conference two of these cards were used while a comparison was made, showing that they outperformed the 1070 on DX12.
Two of these cards are still cheaper than one 1070, but come on man. Stop spreading misinformation, this singular card isn't more powerful than the 1070 alone.
>>340142629
>Poorfags are >90% of the market.
This is an opinion to you?
I repeat, it's amazing how dumb you guys are.
>>340142651
>retarded idiot
if you don't plan to max out a game, then you don't even need to upgrade your gfx
$0 > $200
>thread about AMD
>full of "just wait for x, it'll blow Nvidia/Intel out of the water and be 1/4 the cost!"
>>340142737
I don't take ass numbers as fact.
Why do you faggots always compare Nvidia cards to AMD cards that cost half.
Same shit with CPUs people comparing Intel shit that costs 2x what AMD does.
If you're interested in price/performance AMD is the clear winner
If you don't care about that and can afford to spend a lot more for slightly better performance then go with Nvidia.
Comparing them directly is idiotic since they're not in the same price range.
>>340142534
>Nvidia is selling overpriced gpus that net them many times more profit compared to AMD, and they are selling out due to being the best in the market
>AMD sells cheap shit with razor thin margins
>best call
I don't know m8
>>340142590
>Nvidia can afford to have lower profit margins
actually they can't, chip is significantly bigger/marketing budget is bigger/AIB cost more
AMD is somewhat more flexible in GPU department at least
>>340142513
If you have an expensive monitor go GTX 1070. If it is just a standard 1080p affair get the RX480 and just remember to turn off gimpworks in the options menu.
>>340141019
>Intel
>>340142856
you don't understand a single thing about the market
My reasoning behind buying Nvidia products is because it's the biggest brand with the most support for games. AMD is notorious for having shitty driver support for games and I don't want to have to deal with that. Money aside, AMD has been trying to compete with Nvidia forever now and not really making any progress from what I see. It's not like they're making superior processors either. The only reason I would mess with AMD is if I wanted to spend less money on a computer that I want going to use for games.
>>340142874
Well I plan to have 2 monitors 16:9 60hz 1920x1080 setup. I have the 2nd monitor still in the box in my room ready.
Will 2 monitors affect performance alot? The 2nd monitor is mainly an internet browsing/watch stuff while playing games.
>nvidia
>>340142818
>AMDrones perpetuate a fake claim of 480 being a direct competitor of the 1xxx at an absurdly lower cost
>surprised when idiots take it as fact instead of fact checking themselves
>>340142796
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
You'll be surprised how many poorfags are PC gamers.
>>340142915
Wasn't going to use for games*
How much will the 1070 be?
>>340141824
Hi, welcome, I see this is your first time engaging in GPU wars, judging by your lack of knowledge of the products.
This is how it's always been between the companies, Nvidia is stronger, and more expensive, while AMD is a more "efficient" buy
Lurk before posting, but enjoy your stay! :)
>>340142898
>the market
So as a professional analyst. Can you supply citations for your claim?
>>340138332
2 of them are better than a 1080... for $200 less than a 1080.
>>340142873
I meant Nvidia has more money in the bank, they can accept smaller profit margins and be safe for longer than AMD can. AMD has a lot of debt and has just stabilized after bleeding money for years.
Should I upgrade to W10?
>amd
>>340143010
MSRP is like $380 for the reference card, so probably $400-450 if you want better cooling.
>>340143065
no just dual boot W10 and whatever else you're using.
>>340143065
Wait for Windows 101
>>340143010
It starts at $379 for OEM cards, and is $450 for the reference card. So an OEM card with decent cooling will probably cost around $400.
>>340142979
>steam
>accurate
BRs and Russians don't count as they don't buy anything more than shit tops
And then there's the stupid fucking smurf account shit that people actually do.
>>340143048
I'll make it simple for you:
1. not a lot of people have a lot of money
2. a lot of people have little money
3. nvidia releases a powerful VR-ready card that costs a lot of money
4. amd releases a powerful VR-ready card that costs little money
You get it now?
>>340143079
I bet he puts the poo in CPU
>>340143056
That's not how corporations work, it's not a small business between to bakeries. It will lower stock price, would strain creditors, investors will hang you for marginal marketing win etc. It's not that simple.
>>340143079
nvidia is the loo
>>340142915
>AMD is notorious for having shitty driver support for games
People keep saying this but I've been seeing nothing but the opposite with AMD since Crimson came out. Just look how fast they got on Doom.
>>340143184
Ah yes, more factual citations instead of baseless ancedotes.
>>340139808
Here you go
>>340143118
You got that mixed up. Nvidia decided to market their "founders edition" reference card as a premium card for $450, the OEM cards start at $379.
>>340143167
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
Look at the language section. Russians and Brazilians are barely 20%.
>>340142794
who is this semon demon?
>>340143065
Install a 2nd partition with windows 7 on it. That way you can keep both
When will rx490 come out?
>>340143184
A lot of people are willing to save their money to buy the more expensive thing though because they feel that it's better.
>>340140875
apparently Newegg will do Australian exchange rate price,just gotta pay $900 for shipping
>>340143167
>Russians don't count as they don't buy anything more than shit tops
actually 90% of russians have 390 or 970, they sell like hotcackes here because PC market is strong even after RUB collapse
>>340143302
Well the fact is that integrated are still the top GPU so Steam stats are worthless.
>>340143302
his point about brs and russians is that they don't use steam since they don't buy games. so they wouldn't appear in the statistics
>>340141840
Im so glad I have a 1080
>>340138332
>implying nvidia won't just outbuy AMD on all the releases where a powerful graphics card would make a change
What's really shitty is that in the '90s antitrust associations were always hot on Microsoft's ass about anything they did and now it seems Nvidia can get away with all this blatant sabotaging.
>>340143330
october-novermber
>>340143259
History is history though. If they keep on being good then I might consider them in the future.
>>340143349
Isn't everything very expensive in moscow now because of that? Why would you buy high end in such a market?
>>340142979
It's also because console prices are jacked up in third world countries since they have to import.
>>340143297
>a better GTX980 for $300 less
The price / performance of this thing is crazy. It's by far the best value card ever made.
>>340143349
How is that even possible Vlad?
>>340143238
So AMD, which is in much more debt and has a lower stock price, can afford to have much smaller profit margins but Nvidia can't? What world do you live in? Nvidia doesn't have to ruin their image by going for the super poorfag market, the 960 launched at $199 ffs, and I'm saying the 1060 could cost MORE than that and still compete with the rx 480. I'm just saying, they don't have to charge a premium over the 480.
>>340143426
>trusting pre-release benchmarks
>trusting synthetics
>going by anything but games
>>340143415
Because its the way its mean to be played™
>>340143394
But the 970 and 960 occupy the top two spots.
>>340143469
They dont have to charge a premium but they built a reputation that allows them to charge more for their products. Much like Intel has.
>>340143529
Don't worry anon, real-world benchmarks soon. Although considering how casual I've become I might stay on this surprisingly capable 750ti for one more generation.
AMD Won
>>340138332
>claimed performance
Yeah and the 1080 was x2 better than 980ti, right?... RIGHT?
>>340143261
Use common fucking sense you retard, of course the vast majority of PC gamers are poor.
>>340143331
>yo guys my 970 is dying I need a replacement, what's a good card in the $200-$300 range?
>yo guys what's the best bang for buck graphics card?
>yo guys I need the cheapest VR capable card, any help?
>what's the best card for maxing 1080p?
>I'm doing a budget build, recommendations for cards?
What do you answer? Easy, RX 480 8gb for $230
>yo guys I'm doing a PC build, money is not a problem what do I buy?
Now you answer gtx 1080
>hey I have a 1440p monitor, with what card can I max this out?
Here a gtx 1070 is great
Now which one do you think hits the bigger market?
>>340143425
>Isn't everything very expensive in moscow now because of that?
it's complicated, everything is twice as expensive but not yet over possible limit of purchase, people like me that spend spare money only on hardware are prevalent
flagships are a bit high in price but if you buy one flagship every 3 years it's nothing
for example reatiler I use got about a few thousand of 390s(expensive sapphire ones) in october they were out of stock in 4 days
http://videocardz.com/60915/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-founders-edition-fan-issue-to-be-fixed-with-next-driver-release
NVIDIA ALREADY OVERHEATING AND BREAKING CARDS LMFAOOOOO
>$800 FOR A HOUSE FIRE
LMAO
>>340143618
D E S I G N A T E D
>>340142962
>Will 2 monitors affect performance alot? The 2nd monitor is mainly an internet browsing/watch stuff while playing games.
no, it will not.
>getting so mad at a basic inquiry for facts you resort to walloftext
Wew
>>340143756
People who buy reference cards deserve nothing less
I feel sorry for all those who will fall victim to the ari/amd meme again, and will possess a hardware that in THEORY is powerful, but in practice will be riddled with shit drivers and lack of support. I don't even like nvidia, it just happened so many times, it made me cynical.
>>340143756
Funny that mine works fine. I will wait for the 480s actual figures to come out and sit back & laugh when its shown as a brick
>>340143464
strong PC market, people that were kids in 90s now working adults
when americans played NES we played dukenukem and warcraft
>>340143797
>getting so mad at getting btfo that you miss your reply
>>340138332
as a long term nvidia customer I was gonna get a discount 9xx series card after the 10xx series came out, I don't plan on going 4k any time soon and just want 60fps in everything.
but it's gonna be cheaper to buy this so I guess for the first time AMD will finally get a sale out of me.
>>340143852
This. I mean dammit people have the patience to wait just a little while for the kinks to be worked out.
Jesus Christ you impatient fucks.
>>340143898
>Funny that mine works fine
This happens to all founders 1080s. Maybe you just don't notice it ;)
>implying I did it on accident
Thanks for the (You)s
>>340143887
there is no theory, AMD cards still manage to beat nvidia cards in price/performance in real world benchmarks, even in gameworks games.
Nvidia is still the best if you want the premium solution, but it's a misrepresentation to act like AMD doesn't regularly update drivers.
>>340143981
>I'm just pretending to be retarded
Classic
>>340143978
That must be it yeah!
>>340143916
That's actually pretty cool.
glad it's thriving.
>>340143756
Shitty cooling will cause any card to overheat. I guarantee you than the non blower style models will perform better and cooler.
>>340143756
>Reference cooler
>>340143469
and I am trying to tell you that they can't because they fucked up pascal in a fab and have to sell it more expensive
they sell 1080 for 700-900 not because they want to- because they have to
and they know it lowers sale numbers
>>340143689
I can quote my own experiences too by saying that most people that I know, myself included, will spend the money to get the best stuff or almost best stuff when building a new computer. As for replacement parts? I would assume that most people would try to spend the same amount of money on the item they want and get something better in the process.
>>340144140
You and your group of spoiled friends don't represent 90% of the market.
>>340144097
Yet AMD doesn't have to sell the 480 at a hugely inflated cost despite being in an infinitely worse situation? How does that work?
>they sell 1080 for 700-900 not because they want to- because they have to
The price on the 1080 is so high is because demand is higher than supply because the supply of GDDR5x memory is holding production back. The Founders Edition meme was a clever way to get money from retards, but they don't make nearly the same margins from the cards that will sell much more.
>this poorfag desperately trying to rationalize AMD giving up with muh majority
Wwwwwww
Oh well
>>340143756
I like this one better.
>>340143995
> it's a misrepresentation to act like AMD doesn't regularly update drivers.
I've been an AMD customer for the past 6 years and I can safely say that most of that period has been driver hell. Shit, we actually had to use 3rd party software to enable basic features like vsync and AA without them breaking. It's only the last year or so that they finally pulled their heads out of their asses.
>>340144324
Are you going to use common sense and reasoning or are you just going to shitpost?
>my ancedotes are fact
>n-no they are
>why should I supply sources for my claims
wwwwwwwww
>>340144449
What anecdotes?
>>340138332
How hard is it to switch from one to the other anyways? I am not too good with computers.
>340144491
>340143689
>>340144536
For AMD CPUs, you'll need a whole new Mobo. For GPUs, you just swap them out.
>>340144263
>Yet AMD doesn't have to sell the 480 at a hugely inflated cost despite being in an infinitely worse situation?
It's not inflated, chip is tiny they make higher margins from it.
>1080 is so high is because demand is higher than supply
You seem to think it's like selling apples in drought.
Prices for hardware not set by market, not entirely. Prices for GPUs haven't changed for the last 10 years and now nvidia all of the sudden comes up with 20% higher for no reason according to you.
>>340144560
The only anecdote in the thread is that one >>340144140 talking about his friends buying expensive shit.
>>340144637
I am using an I5, I can't recall which exactly. Haven't had much trouble with games.
>Just swap em out
That's good to hear, at least.
>>340144042
>>340143898
post your 1080 with timestamp, liar
>>340144637
>tfw my motherboard is a piece of shit but I don't know enough about them to switch it
Fuck you M5A99X EVO and you hardcoded UEFI
>>340144638
The market definitely has an influence on price.
Intel can Jew what they Jew because AMD haven't given them competition in nearly a decade. Nvidia can Jew what they Jew because AMD can't touch them on the mid-high
>>340144791
They gotta pay that shitposting tax.
>>340144791
Nvidia get real jewish with Aus prices, it was bad enough 970 was 599, but 1070 being 800 is disgusting
>>340144638
>It's not inflated, chip is tiny they make higher margins from it.
AMD still has smaller profit margins then Nvidia. Again, IM NOT SAYING NVIDIA NEEDS TO UNDERCUT THE 480. I'm just saying $220-$240, which is literally on par with the price increase for the 1070 from the 970, would give the 1060 EQUAL price/performance to the 8gb 480. This is not a huge cut for Nvidia's profit margins, it might not even be a cut at all. But if it is a cut, Nvidia can afford it better than AMD could because AMD has much more debt and is in a much worse position in the market.
>for no reason according to you.
No, AMD has provided absolutely shit for competition and allowed Nvidia to overcharge.
While it seems to have nice percormance per price I'm still getting a 1070 simply becsuse I need more performance.
I don't get why people suddenly rush to buy it just because it's 230$ and they want to stick it to nvidia. A 980 soon won't be enough so it doesn't matter how cheap it is.
>>340144850
In GPU department it only was three years, AMD had decent 40% share before 200 series and housefire/driver meme.
Driver meme finally dying and for a good reason. Housefire gonna die with this one if they didn't hide something.
I built a budget pc two weeks ago with 380X. How much did I fuck up?
>tfw bought GTX 980 for 500€ before gtx 1080 and radeon was released
is a 970 still worth getting or is there a direct upgrade for the same/lesser price?
>>340145096
Not a lot if you have decent cooling. The 480 has last gen performance, so main difference is performance/watt and performance/price.
>>340144960
If everyone and their mother going for 480 because 1060 is september at best they will have higher margins. I see your point now.
>>340144836
Gotta learn sooner or later m8.
I did mine with relatively zero experience. Just make sure to ground yourself, no carpet and be patient.
>>340145018
Or you could wait for 490 and get the same (or better) performance for lower price?
Also don't forget that two crossfire 480s are better AND cheaper than 1080.
>>340145051
Well AMD need to tackle TDP next.
>tfw i can't take a shit without my anus bleeding
Junk food is killing me.
>>340144791
$1000+ here in NZ. -_-
>>340145164
Not unless it drops below $200, which it probably won't.
>>340138332
Would be great if that was true though.
Nvidia is still better
free market
>>340142182
>DX12 is likely going to be favored over vulkan because it requires less effort to optimize for
Have they fixed DX12's other issue? The one where it's only found on the OS that has an even worse reputation than Vista? Vulkan isn't tied to any one OS, so that alone is more enticing than making an AAA PC release/port Windows 10 exclusive
>>340141208
It literally reduces video card overhead on the cpu.
>>340145520
>>340145164
RX480 will DESTROY 970. It's not on 1070 levels, but since it's going to be similar or better than 980, and 8 fucking gb of vram instead of 3.5 the 970 has, there's no fucking reason to get 970 at this point.
>>340141019
Even I, a stupid pleb, know that AMD CPU's are wasted money. That's why I'm getting an i5-2500k and an AMD 480.
Intel CPU + AMD GPU master arce.
>>340141652
>applying common sense to something you know nothing about.
>>340140270
don't forget glorious Vulkan.
it's $199 msrp for the 4gb
the 8gb one is $240~ msrp, gonna be around $280 for aftermarket boards
>>340145187
That's not gonna come out for another 5 months.
>>340145969
bro don't embarrass yourself, 2500k is dated by today's standards, get yourself i7-6700k or something if you want to be gaming. If you do more than gaming, get a 6 core
>>340146258
You're right. What card do you have now?
>>340146175
Higher-end factory OC'd boards, sure with RGB lighting and shit, sure. But there will be stock speed aftermarket boards with not-fancy-but-still-better-than-reference cooling that will cost the same as the reference. This is always the case.
>>340146361
I have a reference EVGA gtx 560ti.
Anything right now is a viable upgrade, but I'm going to get 1440p so the 1070 seems like the best bet.
>>340145780
480 only has 4GB though
>>340142370
Swallow cyanide before you try that argument again
>>340146503
Yeah I mean, that's a pretty old card, if you really want to upgrade now and don't wan't to wait, then go for it. Otherwise I think you'd get better deal if you'd wait a few months for 490.
>>340146570
You can pay 30 bucks to get 8gb version tho.
>>340146662
I've already waited 4 years. I was going to get 9xx, but I decided to wait one more gen and now I'm ready.
>>340144796
Its in my pc and Im at work, so I cant post a pic with a timestamp. I will get one off my phone
>>340144791
>linking to kotaku
>>340146747
Ok then. I guess I'd do the same in your place. I hope you'll be happy with your purchase anon.
>>340147036
I hope the 490 is an amazing card.
keep the competition going, when I upgrade my system in another 4 years.
>>340138332
> Ncucks
I feel like the "cuck" thing has become a bit overused. I kind of miss the days when 4chan would just attach "fag" to everything instead
>>340144791
Why Australians complain about prices?
ARE THESE KEKS FORGETTING they have HIGHEST salaries on earth???
>my friend earns 1000 britbons a week in uk working as a fuckin bouncer. he literally doesnt know what to do with money
>>340147136
Thanks anon. I'll either get the 490 or wait for Vega, depending on price/performance and my financial situation.
>>340147182
Its all the kiddies on here, "cuck" and "nigger" (when used not in the way to call it a coon) are used way too much
>>340146342
There is no reason to upgrade from a 2500k yet if you're just gaming.
>all the Invidia shills in this thread
How much are they paying you to damage control?
>>340147541
>contradicting flat out lies is now shilling
>>340144334
I wish games could have these sort of physics
>>340139808
are you me, have the Zotac OC 760 and I've been pretty disappointed with it, lots of games my older GTX 460 ran well the 760 barely gets any more frames on, was thinking about getting a 980ti but I'll take a chance on the ati when it's released.
>>340147541
Arabian Micro Devices has always been a poorfagschoice, with a sole exception of Intel's P4 and Nvidia's FX series fuckup.
>buy amd
>encounter problems
>nvidia always at the top of the charts
>nvidia has more capital and market share, therefore more resources to make a better product
>you cannot argue with any of these facts as they are purely objective and mathematical
It's simple. Stay away from anything AMD.
The Way It's Meant To Be Played.
>>340147684
Supposedly Beam.NG should have them, but I seriously doubt that at the moment it generates downforce correctly to cause a car to snap at a weak spot, and I doubt it ever will.
rFactor 2 supports chassis flex which would mean that technically you could have this happen, but at an imperceptible level since the cars in it aren't designed to break apart, and it woudln't even be currently possible in the engine since the only type of visible damage is loss of pre-determined detachable parts.
Do AMD cards have drivers now btw
>>340145969
Don't get i5 2500k anon - it's a great CPU but the socket type has been discontinued. I struggled finding new Mobos with the right socket type and Gigabyte emailed me saying "try ebay"
>>340149607
He would be better off with a 4460
>people trusting early bench marks
I don't plan to buy either til September when all the kinks and flaws have been highlighted.
Look how long it took people to find the 3.5GB shit
it's a shame CUDA is miles better then OpenCL
or I'd get this instead of the 1070
>AMD drivers are getting better
Upgrading from horse shit, to dog shit may be an improvement...however, how the fuck is that still acceptable?
>>340149674
Well I'm not here to make any suggestions. I went with i7 4790k and am happy with it, but get called an Intel fanboy any time I mention it.
The beauty of PC gaming is tailoring builds to you and your budget. Do research. Plan your budget. Enjoy the build!
>mfw I like RTS games and I'm getting a 1070
>mfw I'll be getting Ashes of the Singularity along with my 1070
>mfw playing AMD's favorite game on Nvidia hardware
>>340141840
that 1070 performance. i want.
>>340150330
Well a good choice of cpu. Thats pretty much futureproof for a long time. If you comepare to the new 6700 range theres not much between them
GUYS
can someone confirm if this card is really better? i know AMD always says they are better and cheaper but in every test they are lower than nvidia......
should i buy the new amd card???
>>340150814
maybe
>>340150814
If you're the in market for a $200-$250 card, go AMD. If you're in the market for a $350+ GPU, go Nvidia. There are no new cards from either in the $250-$350 segment yet unfortunately.
>>340150814
This is a good review of what info has been release https://youtu.be/PJ5wYVu-tM8
Anyone else think Nvidia shills are false-flagging?
By claiming the 480 will be equal to the 1070 they're setting up "AMD BTFO" posts when it's revealed the 480 isn't as good as the 1070.
If this is for real it might be the best value for money card ever created.
That being said, I'll never go back to the red team despite nvidia's blatant evil-ness, because i've been burned a few too many times before.
Literally.
>mfw planning on selling my 780 SLI for a 1070 but this will probably force me to sell them for like 150€ a pop
>>340150814
RX480 is the best card ever made, the new 4870, the new messiah, easily trouncing every Nvidia card released, 1060 included.
>>340151058
I think you're false flagging.
>>340151106
Your flag is falser than a non-white flag being carried by the French army.
>>340151058
Its nowhere near the 1070 you dumb faggot.
Its a reworked 390x that uses less power
>>340150814
not before other people have a chance to run it for a couple months so we can find out if its poorly made or unstable. you don't want to be like the cucks that jumped on the 970 meme, do you?
>>340140270
>I bought a FX8350 and a R9 290
Feelsgoodman
>>340151058
you're on /v/
people just like to shitpost
Idont give a fuck about VR shit for waifu simualtors or 4kmeme resolution
I just want 60 fps and 1080
I willbuy the 480/x 8gb version unless the 1060 will be better.
>>340151263
>reworked
that's not really the right term to use
it's more like a 14nm polaris chip that's around the same performance as the 390x (but probably a bit better)
>& it's equal to 1070* ** ***
*if you buy two of them
**if you only play ashes of the singularity, a notoriously AMD optimized game that no one plays except when they need to win a benchmark
***if you ignore the microstutter and incompatibilities that comes with crossfire as opposed to using a single GPU
>>340150535
Enjoy getting outperformed by a R9 290
>>340138332
PC newfag here. If I want to put this thing into my computer, do I have to upgrade my 650W PSU? Is it really just swapping out one card for another and turning the machine back on? I have a R9 390 right now
Will the 480 be able to max out The Witcher 3?
>>340151517
Pretty much sums it up.
Also they wouldnt reveal the game settings.
>>340138332
When will Nvidiots learns?
>>340151285
didn't 3.5 meme started next week after 970 release? it got full blown to casual outlets only later when everyone talked about it with their grandma
1080 issues are know first week
i'd say wait 1-2 weeks and if nothing is wrong or got fixed in drivers then it is safe to go
>>340151607
650w is more than enough for almost any single card. You could use a rx 480 or a gtx 1070 or almost any other card and be fine.
>>340151607
>If I want to put this thing into my computer, do I have to upgrade my 650W PSU?
no, it chugs less power than your current gpu
>>340151643
The only problem I had was doing the nvidia .25 update for my 1080. The reason was actually windows 10 wouldnt update so my version wasnt new enough.
The problem was microsofts fault not nvidia.
Since then 0 issues on any game
>that AMD feel
>>340151643
yeah but that was a super obvious flaw that babby's first benchmarking picked up on. i'd be worried that this new 14nm technology causes manufacturing defects or incompatibility, that might take a bit of time to pop up
buying first wave hardware is always a bad idea
>>340140249
Thats only 20-25% slower for half the price lol
>>340151768
>it can't OC
>it ahs fan problems
>it is too hot for 16nm
>it is shrinked maxwell with dx12 upgrade
I probably forgot something, oh right, you can buy used car for the money it costs.
>not waiting a year for better technology
come on guys
>>340138332
capitalism is fucking awesome
>>340147530
Yes there is, im replacing mine with Zen + Vega
Its at 4.4ghz and ive seen it hit 90%+ usage in a few games. Minimum framerates are way higher on current cpus too.
>>340151795
>14nm technology causes manufacturing defects
no, that's not how fabs operate, it almost never happens
rockets have higher failure rate than fabbed mass produced chips
>>340138332
>trusting a card that cheap
you get what you pay for m8
>>340151961
2500k is meh
2600 at 3.9ghz never hits 70% use for me
also it would be stupid to buy quadcore now, you will see how intel will start throwing 8cores for 300 in couple years after zen
>>340152074
Are you scared you'll be out of your job soon Nvidiot shill?
>>340150535
enjoy spending 4 times the price for less
>Mfw I'll upgrade from my 295x2 to the next beef momma card AMD offers up
>>340152116
Yeah looking back I would have got the i7 2600k just for the hyperthreading. Back in 2011 everyone thought it was useless though.
Cant really complain though, had this cpu for 5 years and only cost me £150~
>>340138332
Its not even close to the 1070.
Single performance in their shilled Ashes game is 34 frames at 1080p "high" settings.
So you get what you pay for. If you exspect 60 fps gayming on ultra settings with this GPU kill yourself immediately. Crossfire is known for microstutter and is nowhere supported in any game.
No DVI slot is just cringeworthy. And paying for 2 of those shit tier GPUs will make you look like a clueless poorfagging nigger especially when 1060 Ti and 1070 is around.
>>340151903
I own one so I kind of know a bit more than you.
> dont need to oc it. I dont buy cards to o/c or I would have waited
>has 0 fan problems. In fact its quieter than a 980ti & a 970. Can confirm this as a friend and I have owned them
>nope
>nah
A £520 car? nah I will stick with the one I got which is worth far more.
>>340140165
What the fuck are you talking about? Their marketshare currently is at 30%.
>>340152246
>Single performance in their shilled Ashes game is 34 frames at 1080p "high" settings.
The fuck you talking about
http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/personas/b0db0294-8cab-4399-8815-f956a670b68f/match-details/8b748568-fc96-4e48-9fed-22666a7149f5
It's not 1070, I can get behind that, but you're literally pulling shit out of your ass
>>340140117
Kikery is nothing to be proud of.
>>340152180
I will. Considering I'm not. I don't want last gen performance.
>>340152461
Average framerate heavy batch is 34 frames.
1070 shits on this GPU big time. Not to mention how it will destroy the RX480 in other non shit games like AMDs personal shilled game Ashes of Singularity.
>>340151643
The 3.5 meme started a few months after the card released, which really shows you how much it mattered when it took that fucking long to discover.
>>340152246
Bro its only going to be 20-25% slower than a 1070 for half the price.
480 is going to be the go to 1080p card, 980 can max everything at 1080p/60 and this is slightly faster so...
1070/1080 are more for 1440p. And I wouldnt hold my breath for the 1060, nvidias x60 lineup has been shit and overpriced in recent years. Last good x60 card was 560ti?
Hell the Fury comes close to the 1070 in dx12 games, so 480 should be really close to the 1070 in dx12.
>>340152423
> What the fuck are you talking about?
He's going by nvidya stockholder's shilling bullshit chart, not by real numbers.
>>340152310
the only 1080 that is £520 is the cheap plastic blower one
decent 1080s cost £600+
>>340152461
this card is so bad. Im not paying 200$ for average 40 frames wtf..
>>340152679
Are you seriously comparing a $400 card to a $200 card.
Might aswell compare the Fury X to a 960 while your at it.
>>340152679
Yeah, but it's not on high and not on 1080p, retard
The average is still 40
This is not even cherrypicking, this is plain wrong
>>340152770
Just wait for the GTX1060.
Unless you're a AMD fanboy theres no reason to not wait for the 1060 even if you don't actually buy the 1060.
>>340152842
Nvidia is worse in dx12, so you can pay $400 for 45 frames ;)
>>340152838
One day you might be able to buy a decent card anon. Keep them salty tears going
>>340142627
>do I wait
Will this meme ever die?
Seriously, there's new graphic cards every single fucking year, if you go by that principle of "waiting" you'll never upgrade.
If you can't max out the games you want to max out just fucking buy one already.
>>340152974
Im waiting for vega or nvidias hbm2 card
This gen isnt really a big performance improvement if you're still on latest cards
>>340138332
how much would a console using one of these or similar spec/same architecture cost?
>>340142874
A monitor in 2d mode uses no resources.
>>340152838
Yeah good job overclockers had knocked £120 off the price then so they were cheaper than normal
>>340153010
I pointed out that you have the shitty plastic one and you go all defensive.
What. Im waiting for real high end cards (1080ti, Vega), not mid range pascal. 1080 is going to be forgotten once the 1080ti is out, just like the 980 was.
>>340141368
>6GB
Whats going on here senpaitachi?
>>340152770
480 aint shit. Never will be anything or close to same performance in any other game than Ashes of Singularity and DX12.
1060 Ti will be overall better in every game and will cost less that 1070.
>all this shitposting about cards
>before any real benchmarks by actual reviewers are out
Just buy the card that works best on your favorite games. It isn't hard.
>>340153058
Not much. The PS4k is rumored to be 4.1 teraflops. This card is 5.5 teraflops for $200.
>>340153147
Probably a laptop that came with 2/4gb and had a 4/2gb stick added.
>>340152995
not interesting is Ashes game and not paying for console performance. Where are the other benchmarks ?
>>340153262
>356 / 60 / 125 / 1 [Update] [Auto]
356 replies and still going. Why are you guys discussing a card that hasn't been benchmarked yet?
>>340153148
lel ok
did you even see the 960 in >>340152770
thats what happens to nvidias low range, so you can upgrade to the next gen :^)
>>340152246
>No DVI slot
Did not hear about this. Do HDMI to DVI adapters work well at all?
>>340140719
I have an AMD gpu and I've only had one game not work because it was still in tech alpha
>>340153146
Good job im buying a ti version when the watercooled ones are out. This is to tide me over till then. Vega..not for me
>>340152696
It took a long time because at the time it was an edge-case scenario, people weren't routinely using over 3.5GB of vram, even now it's mostly not an issue.
>>340152914
>Are you seriously comparing a $400 card to a $200 card.
The OP compares your pathetic 199$ card to the 1070. But its nowhere close to its peformance you fucking negro.
I just told you that it will never reach 1070 level.
If you want a comparison wait for the 1060 Ti end of June.
>>340138332
Would it matter? Njewdia has the money to partner up with devs make them like shit on AMD's GPUs
>>340153350
I used to use one when I was using an external capture card. Seemed to work fine.
>>340153334
What am I suppsoed to see here?
A 960 2GB is bad thats what are you trying to say?
>amd
>ever
enjoy your no drivers, always issues at launch day, always bitching for drivers and making little beta cuck threads like these to attempt to validate your purchase, because youre insecure as fuck
nvidia never has issues with games, im going to buy nvidia, always.
>>340153350
This card is designed for 60hz. And adapter aren't same performance as the usual DVI slot.
So no. It works like shit.
>>340152770
>a 2gb card runs like shit at 1440p
No shit. 1440p has 70% more pixels than 1080p. The memory is definitely the bottleneck here.
>>340153454
They already do that though.
>>340141671
Here's mine, Bae. /Laptop/ pals
>>340153604
Then why is the 285 and 380 way ahead with only 2gb also?
>>340153506
Yes. and the 1060 will be the same, nvidia is only good for the high end.
No point going for the 1060 just because its "nvidia". Its their cheap shit.
>>340153798
Because those cards are better at dx12. It doesn't change the fact that 2gb is bottlenecking all the 2gb cards.
>>340153165
Yeah and by the time the ps4k is released there will be 7teraflops for $200.
Sony and Micro are way behind, they shouldnt of cheaped out on the ps4/xbone and just put decent hardware for $599. People can whine about the price but at least it would have been somewhat powerful, and prices always drop.
>people comparing cards of different price ranges
>people bringing up 2011 "KEK NO DRIVERS/KEK HOUSEFIRES" memes
>completely unapologetic and transparent shilling for products that do the same shit at different price points
These threads are worse than console wars.
>>340153328
>>340143297
Its dx11 by the way before babbies cry, and C7 has been confirmed to be the 480
I wonder for how much I can sell my 390 before polaris aftermarket gpus start showing up.
Gonna get 1070.
I honestly thought that it was just nvidia shills on /g/ shitting on amd about drivers. Didn't have any sort of brand loyalty at the time, so got amd.
Had nothing, but issues with it.
>>340153979
Why is it called ps4k? It wont be able to do 4k, consoles cant even do 1080p.
>>340153328
>Why are you guys discussing a card that hasn't been benchmarked yet?
Ask the faggot OP. He tries to shill this RX480 as much as he can while still no benchmarks are around. Because he knows deep inside that it will perform worse in every other game.
>>340138332
>only diehard BLACKED Ncucks will buy Nvidia now.
you mean people who want better than middle-of-the-road performance
>>340154002
Driver problems are still a thing though. People have to wait for months to get a shitty "beta" driver which is just a buggy mess.
>>340153930
But if 2gb was the bottleneck, it wouldnt matter if its dx12 because the performance would have already been bottlenecked/stopped by the 2gb
The 285 and 380 are not bottlenecked by the 2gb, you can see they're just behind the 380x/970 where they should be
>>340153862
Fucking bullshit. 1060 Ti is new card very good for midrange - high settings. The graph you shown is 1440p performance with a 960 2GB still having 19 frames while AMD R9 280X has 0 frames.
Like are you even trying ? Fuck off.
>>340154067
4k video playback?
Or they will do some cheap shit like 1080p upscaled to 4k
Or it will be like VR and just have indie crap at 4k
I do 1080p @ 144hz. Should I just wait and see if I can nab a 980ti when everyone starts liquidating their old stock to bring in the shiny new 1000 series cards?
>>340141671
does crossfire on laptop destroy performance?
>>340146570
If you don't leave the 1080p ballpark, you will never need more than 4GB, Shadow of Mordor's ultra textures and Doom's nightmare settings work fine on 4GB cards, and given the pricing and featureset, these cards cater to people that are already content with said ballpark, 4k is a meme
>>340154150
Jesus Christ /v/ is bad when it comes to PC technology. 2gb and even 4gb can be a bottleneck for 1440p. AMD is not releasing the 480 with 4gb/8gb vram for no reason.
>>340154267
The 1070 is basically a 980ti that's SLIGHTLY better, so if you can't get a 980ti below the 1070s launch price (after founders edition crap) then get a 1070 instead
>>340154143
This. It especially comes apparent when nvidia puts out gameready drivers for most large game releases
>>340154267
The 1070 is better and cheaper and will have official driver support for longer. 980ti prices will probably not drop very fast from people buying them for SLI.
>>340152974
Why would I "wait" for something from Nvidia, when I can soon get RX480? Wtf is up with this mentality? What makes you think 1060 is better or cheaper than RX480?
>>340154192
280x, 370, Titan and 780ti didnt have the support to run the benchmark, says so on the benchmark page. Sucks for people who paid $600 for 780 ti eh?
Everyone knows the 960 was overpriced shit and the 1060 will be shit also. Buying nvidias overpriced low range for brand loyalty, lmao.
>was rooting for AMD because they're the underdog
>now they actually put out a competitive product and I want to root for Nvidia as the underdog
>>340154497
im not anon but... you asked "What makes you think 1060 is better or cheaper than RX480?"
You dont need to think its a known fact about nvidia cards and AMD
>>340154521
lol nvidia has never been underdog as far as I can remember, maybe during the Fermi launch but that was a short period.
>>340154326
You missed the point completely.
the 380/285 are not affected by having 2gb vram in that benchmark, they are where they SHOULD be. If they had 4gb they would be in the same position. 960 just shit itself because its shit.
>>340154583
nice bait
>>340154583
So you are saying 960 was cheaper and better than the 380?
760 was better and cheaper than the 280?
Lmao in your dreams m8, its for poorfags who want a premium brand but cant afford their real cards
>>340154521
>Nvidia
>becoming underdogs
Good joke m8, their marketing is so good, it will never happen. AMD could be happy if they reach 40% again.
>>340138332
How is this card compared to my 7950? Can it do vr?
>australians complaining about prices
Meanwhile in New Zealand
>>340154709
So you are on about 2 cards. Im on about the whole range.
The majority of AMD cards are just leg heating toasters
>>340154591
>the 380/285 are not affected by having 2gb vram in that benchmark, they are where they SHOULD be. If they had 4gb they would be in the same position.
No. There's a 27% difference at 1440p between 2gb and 4gb on the 960.
>>340154715
>>340154586
But not on the low end. I mean I feel like rooting for the 1060 to beat the 480.
I really don't understand this.
you guys are making these threads daily with a blatant lie trying to essentially trick people who don't research properly into buying your card.
for what purpose?
>>340154520
Nobody is his right mind will use 960 2GB for 1440p gaming and comparing it to the 1060 Ti which isnt even out yet makes you look like a retard. Fuck off idiot.
>>340154939
Thing is its all speculation now as they are not out so we cant see their true specs
>>340154831
1080 and 1070 THROTTLES at stock boost speeds due to temps, and you are calling AMD toasters? ;)
>>340154871
Thats a completely different game/benchmark lmao
>>340155227
I don't even know why I bother discussing technology on /v/. The point was just that memory becomes a bottleneck at higher resolutions. 2gb is not enough for 1440p.
>>340155003
What about 1080p then.
LMAO 20 frames
>he bought a 960
>>340143618
>GPU FOR THE IMMERSIVE ERA
THANK YOU AMD FOR THE IMMERSIVE CINEMATIC 24 FPS ERA THANK YOU
>>340155313
>2gb is not enough for 1440p.
Completely dependant on the game.
>>340155357
Also shows that the 2gb was not the bottleneck, shits itself at 1080p too.
>>340155457
>Completely dependant on the game.
Well then anyone planning on buying a 2gb card for 1440p is still retarded because it can't play all games as well the card should at 1440p.
Holy fuck how desperate are you to post same thread every day. AMD is dead, deal with it. Their CPU's couldn't even come close to Intel so they said fuck it and jumped on the shitty console bandwagon where their terrible cheap hardware is perfect for silky smooth upscaled 1080p 30 fps experiences. They're losing in GPU department as well. 3 years ago around 35% users were using AMD cards, now it's only 25%. Nobody and I mean absolutely nobody gives a fuck about AMD except for some bitcoin miners and dirty ass Slavs who can't afford Nvidia.
>>340155357
>cherry picks a game with massive amount of Vram needed
>look look the 960 with 2GB performance is terrible
>only 20 frames
How many times do I have to tell you fuck off retard ?
>>340155579
This is 2016, not 2013. Nvidia sucks shit.
Crawl out of your cave and check the date.
Cards with 2gb are not worth having now. Even 4gb is bordering on the limit .
Same with ram
What games can ever use 8GB as opposed to 4GB of VRAM? Even for 4GB you need to actually try. Is it only there for VR?
>>340138332
to be honest I feel sort of sorry for AMD and I can see that they are trying real hard and all but I'm still going to buy a 1070
>>340141750
>a 480x or 490.
which will come out in October/Q4 2016
>>340155614
Just stop. /v/ is not /g/, this place is full of retards when it comes to technological discussions. I mean /g/ has a lot of retards too, but still.
>>340155685
t. Justin Trudeau
>>340155357
this kid is literally brain damaged
He tries to justify 960 performance over non existing AMD performance in a DX12 game.
>>340142156
are you retarded or baiting?
>>340155614
You are still going on about vram, the fucking benchmark is at 1080p and the 380 has DOUBLE the performance with the SAME VRAM you illiterate retard.
Every single dx12 game will have performance like that, its not cherrypicking its 9xx being shit in dx12.
>>340155841
Im not interested in DX12 benchmarks. Fuck off retard.
>>340145717
>worse reputation than Vista
whoa there slow down, you might hurt yourself on that bait.
Vulkan does seem like the best multiplatform solution though.
>>340155932
So you like being stuck in the past because nvidias cards are missing features, bet you love gimpworks too.
All you can say is "Fuck off" instead of proving me wrong
>>340142304
980 can run Witcher 3 at 1080p/60 Ultra (no Hairworks shit), so why wouldn't the 480 be able to?
>There are people actually shilling AMD CPUs
>FX series no less
HAHAHA. I thought /g/ was shit for constantly shilling Zen despite so little information, but now people are actually looking back fondly on the overpriced garbage AMD released.
>>340155685
Learn to read fuckboy. No matter how many threads you start to shill for your terrible purchase facts remain the same - AMD is a dying breed and nobody but poorfags/miners buy it.
>inb4 Steam isn't justifiable representation of PC owners.
Cry me a river AMD cuck. Their GPUs were terrible since they restarted numbering of their series. 200 series were rebranded 7xxx cards that came with garbage drivers and tons of overheating issues. 300 series got absolutely BTFO by 960/970/980 in terms of sales and 400 series cards are nothing but fairy dust and empty promises so far.
>>340156149
not with the new update it cant.
Want to call me out on that? check the witcher 3 discussions on steam
>>340156071
>stucks in the past
>proving me wrong
Yea. I can see who is stuck in the fucking past.
Offering 199$ GPUs for the poor masses and pretend it comes close to anything but never reaches a level of actual performance.
When NVidias cards outperform your beloved DX12 and Async. While every game runs flawlessly on DX11 I could give less of a shit about AMD. Vulkan will be the future anyways.
Fuck off retard.
>>340156071
>AMD shills are literally shilling for a NSA OS to make themselves look better.
Also DX12 in no shape and form will be "standard" for at least next 5 years.
>>340156149
AMD cards dont handle the witcher 3 very well
>>340142794
Waiting for AMD is usually worth it. I mean the last time they released a new card was in 2012 and they all seem to hold up decently.
>>340140270
Keep dreaming
>>340156192
eh?
nobody shills amd cpus
>>340156502
No, but Vulkan will because there's no need to wait for users to 'upgrade' to Windows 10 and its performance will be similar to D3D12. Every modern engine and even a few old ones are picking up Vulkan support this year
>>340148174
What happened in Q2 2014? It happened before 900 series.
>>340156192
>FX series had less performance than their previous Phenom CPUs while consuming more power
>it was a so called server cpu design, but it led to AMD pretty much dropping out of that market due to how unsuitable it was
How can a company design such shit?
>>340156938
Geforce 750Ti happened
>>340142382
Than why don't you just play on console? I mean, yeah, At least you're smart enough to be a mustard, but, if you're going to game on pc, you may as well save up enough to get a good one and do it right.
>>340155712
Seriously. I don't see why anybody would go for the 8GB version, on a budget card. For a 490 or above I'd understand.
>>340151095
>1060 included
>yfw Nvidia steps up their game and doesn't butcher the 1060 with a small shitty memory bandwidth and only a 6pin power connector
>yfw 560ti successor is reborn
>>340155457
Not him but you're a fucking retard, you know that?
2GB is nothing, for some games like shadow of morder (yes i know, shit game, like every game ever) 2gb is not enough even on 1080.
2gb is outdated and a bottleneck.
who intel cpu/amd gpu master race here
>>340155614
How does it feel having nvidia so deep in your ass?
>>340138332
dont care, I use shadowplay too much to give it up
>>340157405
Me. Though it's only an HD6970 at the moment.
>have a 970
>1440p screen 144hz
Really can't decide whether to sidegrade to a 480 for 8gb of ram and wait on vega/volta or get a 1070
>>340157430
You tell me. You used to get fucked by Nvidia all the time.
>>340152530
It's not about being proud, it's about adapting to a shitty world market. No point going all Don Quijote because it won't result in anything.
Just get the best product for the games you'll play that you can afford.
>>340157603
You might as well wait till November to see what happens. Plus by then maybe Nvidia's new cards won't be $100-$200 over MSRP.
>>340157905
I'm in Canada, it will be 2x regardless sadly
>>340157430
Not as good as it feels having that 1080 in my pc
>>340157280
then the show is pretty much over for AMD
So will we finally be able to get steady 144 in the next card gen?
>>340157728
I didn't buy a 3.5 though
>>340157905
>wait
There it is again, the master meme.
>>340158280
>I WANT REFERENCE CARDS NOW
>THEY'RE NEW THAT MEANS I HAVE TO HAVE THEM
the boy has no patience
>>340158229
970s were fine. Im keeping mine as a spare & possibly will throw into another pc at some point
>>340143756
Fan revving isn't tied to the gpu but the drivers.
I can't wait to be rid of my r9 290 which runs at 94c, Nvidia hasn't had near as bad cooling problems compared to AMD recently. I'm not sure why people still like to sprout that Nvidia runs hotter when it hasn't been true for years
>>340140270
>DX12
I don't care how shit the performance is, I'm not going to let Microshaft cuck me
>>340158320
How long do I have to wait for 1070s that aren't the reference card?
I want some MSI shit but I don't know if I can be patient enough, I might just get one on the 10th
>>340158356
btw wasn't there a lawsuit or something where they had to compensate buyers for the lies?
Did you get money back or something?
>>340158280
>Not waiting for Black Friday
Its like you want to be ripped off.
>>340158420
No more than 3-5 months
>>340158559
>3 months
That's too long, I might very well be dead by then
>>340156018
>whoa there slow down, you might hurt yourself on that bait
I was around for Vista, and the worst it got was bitching about shitty driver support (esp. wifi) and terrible optimization for anything other than brand-new (at the time) multicore CPU's, with file transfer speeds being a severe bottleneck until SP1
Windows 10 however has people regurgitating every tinfoil theory ever thought of for an OS believed to be the tool of the NSA, and has at least 20 different tools to block incoming and outgoing Microsoft traffic, and it's spread to 7 to the point where there's just as many tools to block GWX
A shitty OS can be fixed, but an OS that launched with a fuckload of party van hysteria is fucked forever
>>340158408
Windows 10 is slower than Linux in apples to apples tests. Older versions of Windows are even slower and Microsoft soon isn't going to let you use new hardware in them.
>>340138332
>Equal to 1070
This really is the next meme card.
>>340158678
What about other benchmarks?
>>340141269
Or just wait for whatever game to get vulkan support. It's already starting.
>>340138332
I'm an AMD fan, but I don't think 480 is better in performance than 1070.
Surprised to see it's more powerful than the 970.
Gonna get it someday probably cos Im a 1080p shitter
>>340158420
Considering some custom 1080's were released just over a week after the release reference 1080's, I'd assume it'll be the same. Say about 2 weeks to see a decent variety of custom cards after the reference release of the 1070
>>340158805
Depends on how much games take advantage of, like usual. Consoles about to get some needed upgrades, usually meaning the overall quality of games goes up slightly. So a 1070 in a year will probably be way better off than a 480, even at 1080p where the 480 might not be able to hit 144hz which is basically where people should be at since 1080p/144hz is relatively cheap
>>340158845
theres nothing wrong being 1080.
1440 and 4k are meme resolutions.
4k you can't reach anyway.
>>340158845
this guy is right
>>340158963
1080p 144hz master race
>>340157809
>Just get the best product for the games you'll play that you can afford
Which will probably be a $200 AMD
>>340159136
I think I'm gonna splurge for the 1080, I'll probably buy one around christmas to replace my R9 390. There's nothing wrong with it, I just think 20 extra FPS and optimization for games would be nice. However, if AMD's new card can compete I might stay AMD
>>340141807
>in fighting over sub 10 frames per second
wut
>>340158425
not sure how as it has 4gb which work. Not too arsed it it was only £199. Got a 1080 now so its surplus like I said in my previous post
Even if AMD offers better performance for the same money, most people will still buy Nvidia because when they hear AMD they immediately think of poorfags, housefires and driver crashes.
I'm wondering about getting a 1080 at the moment.
Looking at if I should get one now (when they come in stock again), or if I should wait a bit and get something later. Wondering if I should get an aftermarket card with an open air cooler or go for the reference design with its blower style cooler.
I'm using a mini-ITX case, but one like pic related, so it's not a closed in case, rather being fully open air due to the mesh sides and 200mm fan on the front.
With a blower card I'm going to get a higher GPU temp but the GPU will affect the temp of the other components less, which is a concern in smaller cases, though the temp difference in most tests I've seen is only a few degrees, maybe 5 celsius in the worst case scenario from what I've seen.
I have a water cooler for my CPU and plan to overclock both the GPU and CPU if that makes a significant difference.
>Equal to 1070
Yeah, okay Champ.
>>340158758
Other benchmarks (other than Dota 2 Vulkan) wouldn't be apples to apples comparisons. For them you'd generally be looking at DirectX 11 on Windows vs a low-quality DX11->OpenGL port because at the moment that's all the automated tools that assist the porting process can handle.
Going from one complex high level API to another complex high level API is always going to be slow and difficult because the code paths that are fast in one may not translate well to a fast path in another. Once those tools are switched to output Vulkan on the other hand the quality will improve dramatically because taking a high level API and re-implementing it on a lower level API will almost always be fast and in some cases it can even be faster.
Take this for example comparing Wine's DX9->OpenGL 2 wrapper to the re-implementation of DX9 on top of the Gallium low-level API provided by the Open Source AMD drivers.
>>340159136
If it is, then good. Buy what pleases you, hopefully what is best for your needs and budget.
>>340159884
I have the 1080. As soon as they do a water cooler I will be getting one.
The cards are superb, just they do get hot!
>>340141368
if you hold alt when you press print screen you only get the active window, fyi.
>>340159960
Can't be worse than my current GPU, it's all full of dust because I live on a dirt road and my choice of case that I bought when I was 12 and stupid has some shitty airflow that involves having 4 exhaust fans and only 3 intake fans so it sucks in dust like a motherfucker, and now my card IDLES at around 73 celsius and gets past 90 under load.
>>340138332
Knowing AMD it will be shit because their drivers.
But meanwhile it works for VR fine by me.
>>340160206
Disregard garbage like >>340160401. Pic related is what you want.
>>340160206
Well it idles at 37 degrees. I had the witcher 3 on ultra and it hit 71 but yesterday I was on rust and it went to 85.
Thats the highest its been.
>"he can't afford Nvidia"
>>340160401
>>340160506
Oh believe me, I've tried.
The only solution is to actually disassemble the card and give it a full cleaning and rebuild.
We've also used an air compressor and an electric leaf blower as attempts to clean the thing.
>>340160614
>Rust is more demanding than the Witcher 3 on Ultra
Goddamn, Garry, get your shit together.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/27/from_ati_to_amd_back_journey_in_futility/
>In the simplest terms AMD has created a product that runs hotter and slower than its competition's new architecture by a potentially significant margin.
IT'S OVER, AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT
>the gtx 950 is cheaper than the r9 380
>it performs better in Ashes of the Singularity than the r9 390
>b-but AMD is always better in the low end
>>340160206
>my choice of case that I bought when I was 12
You built a computer when you were 12 and still use that same case? I think it's time to get a new case, they're not that expensive...
>>340153581
Define "same performance". Are adapters locked at the specific refresh rate?
>>340160804
Analog adapters (ones that convert one analog signal/cable to a different analog signal/cable) will work fine with no lag. But converting one digital signal to another introduces lag.
>Falling for the AMD meme
Just like 3 weeks ago doom came out and ran like shit and it took AMD 4 days to come out with beta drivers to make it good. If you care about playing anything new, you need nvidia otherwise you are going to get cucked.
>>340160803
I am getting a new case >>340159884 the one pictured here, I'm just talking about my current computer for comparison.
>>340160506
This thing gets hot as fuck.
>>340161118
And? It still works even when it gets hot. Unlike the cans of air which don't work at all once they start freezing up enough.
>>340160982
Let's be real, AMD's primary customer base plays games on a budget. So they either get their games months/years after release in sales, or they're pirates and have to wait for a game to get cracked. Either way, they have to wait so long to play their games that delayed driver updates doesn't bother them.
This generation of graphics cards is kind of weird. AMD is focusing on the low end with technology that is better suited for the bleeding edge because their cards do better in dx12, while Nvidia has no competition in the high end, yet is less efficient where it needs to be because their customers are on the bleeding edge more often.
>>340143052
I never tried Xfire and the last time i tried SLI was when i built my crysis rig with a pair of 8800GTS. When it was good it was great but there where also a lot of very noticeable moments of stuttering....not quite lag but it felt like the cards werent syncing up right...hard to describe really, anyway i sold one of the cards after about a month and just carried on gaming on 1 gpu. From the release of crysis till last november i had 1 gpu. Thats how hardware should be fucking made and rather than rushing ahead and moving the goalposts every 6 months these companies need to slow the fuck down. release a new card every 3 years maybe and just spend the time in between developing the fuck out of it. Make that next generation an absolute Hail Mary of a step up from the last. This incremental bullshit is not good for the consumers.
>>340161396
>This incremental bullshit is not good for the consumers.
I disagree. It allows for feedback to change the course these companies are on more frequently. If a company misjudges the market and focuses on something people don't actually want, they can correct their course faster. Like imagine if AMD and Nvidia decided to optimize their cards for 3d monitors/gaming and then we were stuck with that gimmick for three years? Luckily we weren't and that gimmick died sooner rather than later.
![43006695[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/O3zhvGB.jpg "43006695[1]")
![211441_1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QAEvxEc.jpg "211441 1[1]")
