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$199 & it's equal to 1070
>only diehard BLACKED Ncucks will buy Nvidia now.
Where are them specs at bro, if it's fucking equal I'm so getting it finally getting rid of this 760
>yfw you'll still get shit performance on all major titles because of the way its meant to be played™
Nothing in life comes free (or discounted) anon
Maybe if AMD spent this shill budget on R&D instead, they'd having more than 18% of the market.
It's a shame reference cards are always trash, they look nice and minimal.
>>340139808
It'll certainly be quite a bit weaker than the GTX 1070. AMD themselves say it's GTX 980 tier.
>>340138332
DELETE THIS
>>340138332
It's not even close to the 1070. It's supposedly between 390 and 390x performance.
That's still fucking awesome though for a $200 card.
>yfw dx12 will make cheap ass AMD CPUs like the FX6300 on par with i7s
Truly a glorious age to live in.
Buying an FX and an R9 290 was the best decision of my life
AMD products actually get better with age while Ncuck shit become obsolete in 2 years
>>340138332
is this the card for the new ps4k?
>>340140270
when is dx12 going to become the norm
>>340140339
All games currently under development will be DX12 compatible
>>340140169
I'll fucking wait for the 1070, feel safer in Nvidias hands... But I'm still debating wether to get it I'm not playing any games that require a massive rig, just medium shit
Guys, you're forgetting the most important part of DX12. It requires W10. I for one am not leaving from my W7. I rather dual boot some linus than give M$ total control of my computer / OS
>>340140485
dual boot
>>340138332
>Its as powerful as a 1070.
>Everybody goes to buy it and its sold out.
>Stalled into their PC.
>Ready for gayman.
>No games work what so ever.
>polaris + zen
AMD is back
>>340140450
>feel safer in Nvidias hands
kek
>>340140450
>I'll fucking wait for the 1070, feel safer in Nvidias hands
I'm no fanboy, I switch accordingly and have usually switched every gen, but if you really feel that way that means you're not doing your research and eating up the intense marketing NVIDIA does with their closed source bullshit. I've stood away from NVIDIA last gen because of their constant bullshit (3.5gb, downgrading older gen cards with new drivers). AMD is no angel, but as of now they're a lot less shady.
Yeah, and in Australia it'll still be 500 dollars and no point to buying anyway because reasons.
>>340138332
We all aren't poor like you op. Some of us don't have to settle for inferior products. amd is garbage
>>340138332
It's also AMD.
>>340140485
Don't listen to this guy. >>340140684
Instead, triple boot. No, quadruple. XP for old games, Windows 7 for DX11, Windows 10 for DX12, and finally Linux for everything else.
>>340140875
it will probably be $400 AUD.
The 1070 is $800 AUD (double the American numeric price) so I couldn't see the 480 being any higher that $400.
If it was, just import it.
Whats a good build eith the rx 480?
>>340140926
>I enjoy being fucked in the ass by big corporations!
>>340140728
>zen
See you in 2017 for a processor on par with Intel processors from 2013
>>340140817
Then you haven't heard about AMD threatening to sue media outlets for 'libel'?
>>340141019
t. increasingly nervous intel goym
>>340138332
>it's equal to 1070
One week ago it was below the 970, AMD sure is working hard these last few days
>>340138332
Ah yes I can't wait to pay $200 to exclusively play AOTS with a few more fps.
>>340141015
I wouldn't buy it on launch. It's just the first taste of Polaris. Wait until fall when the rest of the line comes out and decide what to buy then.
>>340141016
Whatever makes you feel better about being poor anon. Some of us actually have disposable income and don't mind paying for the best. Enjoy your peasant gpu
>>340141107
>One week ago it was below the 970
It was never below the 970 what the fuck are you saying
>>340141019
>implying Intel has made noticeable performance gains in the last 3 gens
>>340140961
Microsoft is forcing some people to W10, they comps get updated to W10 without their consent or agreement. I think that if any should be clear sign where things are heading. You should never ever give so much power over your OS, there's always the layer (software / app control), but NEVER the OS!
>>340140270
>A graphics API is magically going to make cpu processing better
I really wish /v/ would stop pretending to know anything about hardware
>>340138332
Poorfags will defend this
>buy a gtx 970 for $350
>find out a $200 card is better
>DX12
I'd rather be running off of Auschwitz OS 7 and paying extra than running SpyWare "WE'RE NOT SPYING OR ANYTHING" 10
Buying this card means you are a mid range cuck. Enjoy not being able to play on ultra ever.
>>340140961
alright quad boot here i cum
>>340138332
>$199 & it's equal to 1070
Going to need a citation.
>>340141245
Well yea that's the biggest market so this is probably the best move possible by AMD, price/performance is the only important metric anyway
>>340141245
Poorfags are >90% of the market.
>>340140276
All signs point to the PS4K having a very similar GPU in terms of tech, but console and PC gpus are different so the answer is technically no.
>>340138332
>it's equal to 1070
Not even AMD says this. This is just bait.
>>340141091
guess again
I'm even running a "fusion" rig
>>340141182
IPC improvement with skylake was pretty phenomenal overall. The bulldozer up through excavator improvement was fucking abysmal by comparison.
I'm building a new rig with a 6600k this month.
>>340141304
Literally the only semi-citation is AOTS. Which I don't think anyone actually fucking plays. They just use it the benchmark-post on /g/.
But I'd like to see more sources than AMD and some Krauts
>>340141107
it was always "about a 980".
OP is being ironic, if you couldn't pick that up based on his meme speak (HAHA BLACKED XD) then you may genuinely be autistic.
>>340141019
that's still quite an advance from having a 2015 cpu that's barely faster than a competitor's 2006 one
>>340141368
>fusion
You're on a fucking laptop m8
>>340140751
I can tell you there is some truth to the amd has no drivers
>>340141208
FX series processing power was always there you cuck. It was just not used cause few games / software actually take advantage of 8 cores.
For game at least DX12 will fix that and will make FX series on par with current intel offerings for a fraction of the cost.
>>340141156
Yes good goy, keep spending your shekels overpriced hardware.
>>340141271
i have the most powerful version of 750ti. i play all games on ultra except the modern Hitman
games like ds3 does 28-45fps . doom 4 on ultra 28-45fps
>inb4 lies
>>340141457
They've been getting consistently better lately, with more and more effort being put into drivers.
>>340141386
One game isn't enough to convince me, we'll see how well it performs in comparison to a 1070 when they release more benchmarks.
>>340141484
Dx12 isn't going to magically parallelize game engines, anon. Not that much will change.
>>340138332
Nice repost shill
I sure like those reviews. .. oh wait
>>340141557
nice try shill, go read the benchmarks
>>340141484
I don't think you understand the difference between graphics and cpu.
We've had multi-threading for fucking decades now. If FX and MORE CORES were the shining light[which they aren't] Intel would have been kill years ago.
I'm genuinely sorry you fell for the FX misinfo from /g/. But please quit shitposting and spouting misinfo.
DX12 is not the savior you think it is.
>>340141581
>shill
This is simply common sense.
>>340141448
no shit.
"Fusion" was supposed to be their killer budget gaming solution
for 600$ four years ago it's STILL better than most 800$ gaming laptops I can buy today.
The fusion/crossfire though?
Didn't do shit. Hurts performance in most games, no improvement in anything.
>>340141484
>win10
>windows store
No thanks
Also no games
I'll wait for vulkan
>>340141532
>I can play games slightly less worse than consoles
Alright m8.
>>340141536
Ashes wasn't even a 480 vs a 1070, it was x2 480s vs a 1080.
Anyone comparing a 480 to a 1070 is a retard.
They are two different price ranges.
The 1070 is double the price of a 480 and a tier above in terms of performance, beating nvidia's 900 series in the process.
The 480 is for people who want high end 2015 performance at a rock bottom price.
The 1070 is for people who want a step forward and don't mind paying a premium.
The real competition for the 1070 will likely be a 480x or 490.
>>340141156
I could give everything I own for a piece of bread and it would still be just that, some bread.
>>340141695
>>340141634
>>340141564
INTEL SHILLS OUT IN FULL FORCE KEK
Read this you dumb cucks
https://forum.teksyndicate.com/t/intel-vs-amd-directx12-performance-preview-amd-destroys-intel/75229
>AMD has gained a 41.2% Increase in performance in Windows 10, just by switching from DirectX11 to DirectX12 version of Star Swarm. Annhilating Intel in all factors. where intels performance increase was just around 3.25%
>AMD has gained a 41.2% Increase in performance in Windows 10, just by switching from DirectX11 to DirectX12 version of Star Swarm. Annhilating Intel in all factors. where intels performance increase was just around 3.25%
>AMD has gained a 41.2% Increase in performance in Windows 10, just by switching from DirectX11 to DirectX12 version of Star Swarm. Annhilating Intel in all factors. where intels performance increase was just around 3.25%
How many of you are willing to shill for W10 to get DX12? You either play games on DX12 or Vulkan do get most out of AMD cards, or you play on DX11 with Nvidia card.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10411295
http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=3505&gid2=3489&compare=geforce-gtx-1070-vs-radeon-r9-480-4gb
GTX 1070 IS ONLY 15% BETTER THAN THE RX480 FOR NEARLY DOUBLE THE PRICE. LMFAO NVIDIA FANBOYS WILL DEFEND THIS.
Nvidia is not finished. The 960 has 66% the performance of the 970. It had 60% of the cost of the 970 at launch. If the 1060 has the same ratios of price and performance to the 1070 that the 960 does to the 970, which is very plausibly because those ratios are very close for the 970 to the 980 and 1070 to the 1080, then it will cost $230 (same as the 8gb rx 480) and perform on par with an r9 390 (again, on par with an rx 480).
I'm only worried about the 480 because the NDA lifts on the release day iirc, could they be trying to conceal something? If it's really as good as they say it is, they should let us have the benchmarks before buying it.
>>340141484
But cpu doesn't matter that much for gaymen. Gpu is always the bottleneck unless you are running some garbage processor from 7+ years ago.
>>340141156
>Says he's rich
>Talks like a poor person who doesn't understand money
>Doesn't understand opportunity costs
Well you're too stupid to stay rich, but don't worry when you make yourself poor the rest of us don't judge.
>>340141807
>AMD shills don't even know what APUs are
>>340141840
>If it's really as good as they say it is, they should let us have the benchmarks before buying it.
So... don't buy it until you see the benchmarks?
>>340141861
I agree, the point is that for DX12 buying a $500 CPU is full retard. We're at a stage where a $150 CPU is more than enough.
>>340141914
Look at how hyped people are ITT. A lot of people are going to buy it regardless.
>>340141489
They have the best on the market and that's irrefutable. Until that changes I'll continue to buy from them. Don't hate just because some of us can afford nice things
>>340141702
You should read consoles system specs if that's the brainwashed attitude your bring to the table
>>340141840
the 960 was more expensive and performed worse than the 280x and 380, why would you expect them to hold parity with a 1060?
The 1060 will likely be a few fps slower than the 480, be $50 more and nvidia will sell people on features like Ansel.
>>340141807
I own amd dumbass
Fuck win10 you fucking illiterate retard
Fuck dx12
Give me vulkan
Also
>literal who game gains performance due to shit programming or implementation of api calls in dx12
>being an annoying cunt who pastes 3 times over
>>340141898
>pays bottom dollar for scraps
>buyers remorse sets in
>starts shilling like mad
>N-no, y-you're the poor one anon!
top fucking kek, just kill yourselves already AMDrones
>tfw amd is letting poorfags like me play 1080p 60fps for a cheap price
>>340141990
>brainwashed attitude
No, if I'm going to invest in a PC. I'll spend the money to not have a console-tier experience.
Consoles can never do 1440 @ stable 60 on ultra.
People who treat pcs like slightly more expensive consoles are stupid.
>>340142059
dx11**
>>340138332
Well AMD said that two 480's deliver same performance as a 1080 for 200 dollarydoos less with the Ashes of Singularity DX12 demo they showed, then said the 1080 they had wasn't compiling all of the shaders and was running on a lighter load.
So, this is DX12 and a single game that has been proven to run better with AMD cards is no proof that AMD is "back at the top" and of course the power consumption of two cards on Crossfire is going to be higher, but it's still cheaper and PhysX and Hairworks look like ass either way.
I think I'm gonna wait until the 3rd party versions come out and then decide. I suggest you all do the same.
>>340142076
at low with no shadows/aa yea
would like to see your face when you try to ultra that shit
>>340142061
>shilling
There's two kinds of rich people anon.
Those that stay rich, and those that are temporarily rich.
>>340138332
It's actually equal to the 980, it's the 490 that will be equal to 1070 for $300
>>340142059
DX12 is likely going to be favored over vulkan because it requires less effort to optimize for.
even emulators are using DX12 now.
Historically speaking developers don't tend to put much effort into optimizing their games, and don't care about people not on windows, so DX12 is probably going to be the defacto solution for everyone except the few good devs that give a fuck.
Search your heart, you know it to be true.
>>340142124
But 120 frames per second on a FPS game is better than 60, what then?
>>340141807
Just so you know m8.
They're comparing AMD APUs to Intel integrated graphics (HD4k).
Which isn't surprising considering its teksyn.
>>340141824
The 960 had a worse price/performance ratio than the 970, yet the 970 is the most common card according to the Steam hardware survey. There is a large segment of the market that is willing to pay more for better performance. Also, we have fuck all benchmarks for the 480 except what AMD cherrypicked.
>>340142003
>why would you expect them to hold parity with a 1060?
Because look at the math I just did. If the 1060 is faster than the 960 by the exact same margins the 1070 is faster than a 970 and the 1080 is faster than a 980, then it will be on par with an rx 480. This shouldn't be hard to believe, because AMD is not toting the 480 as a high performing card. It's last gen performance. But I do agree, Nvidia's feature set outside of just raw performance is what sells a lot of cards for them.
>>340142167
that still pretty ok price
will nvidia lower the 980 to match it after the 1080 come out?
>>340138332
Too bad 99% of Nvidia fans are diehard BLACKED Ncucks that will buy anything Nvidia no matter what.
>>340142156
unless you play the latest AAA garbage then you can easily max out 1080p with a 480
>>340142076
this desu fampai my GTX 770 has needed a cheap and big upgrade for awhile.
GTX 980 for $199? Sold
>>340142156
>muh shadows
>muh high AA that rapes the card
lmfao go ahead pay 100% or more extra for that trash
>>340142248
witcher3 is AAA garbage?
>>340142192
Currently waiting for a decent 120hz IPS.
Don't play a whole lot of FPS though.
Just Serious Sam mostly.
>>340142149
The thing about AoTS is the engine is written very specifically to take advantage of dx12's capabilities, in a game that makes good use of it with a large number of units on the screen all doing things at once.
It's not going to matter as much for a certain small team based FPS, say, that doesn't do much in the way of complex simulation or physics.
>>340142234
>If the 1060 is faster than the 960 by the exact same margins the 1070 is faster than a 970 and the 1080 is faster than a 980, then it will be on par with an rx 480. This shouldn't be hard to believe, because AMD is not toting the 480 as a high performing card. It's last gen performance. But I do agree, Nvidia's feature set outside of just raw performance is what sells a lot of cards for them.
your math is sound but your business sense isn't.
nvidia knows the market, they know people see them as the premium solution.
they're going to charge more at every tier, I would be very surprised if the 1060 was the same price and performance as the 480.
>>340142304
Yea witcher games are pretty bad, the combat is pathetic
>>340142167
>it's the 490 that will be equal to 1070 for $300
Speculation.
>>340142156
>implying im playing on ultra now
Kek, i don't give a shit about maxing the game out.
>>340142382
there you go then
a slightly more expensive console experience, AMD
>>340141824
This is literally nothing new in terms of Nvidia's price vs performance model.
>instead of giving Nvidia direct competition at the mid-high end, AMD just give up and cheap out at the garbage-bin tier
Oh well
>My piece of metal and plastic is better than yours!
No better than console cucks who argue over the same petty shit desu.
>mfw want to back the red team but Nvidia "just works" tier while AMD tends to lag behind
REEEEEE WHY IS THIS DECISION SO HARD /v/? I need to replace my GTX 770. Do I back team green with the GTX 1070 or team red with the RX480?
>>340142449
>mfw vega is only coming out Q1 2017
by then nvidia will have 1080ti as well
RIP AMD
>>340142449
see >>340141350
It's amazing how dumb you guys are. AMD made the best call.
>>340142464
Poorfags don't have much in life.
It's amazing how similar they are to sonyggers though.
>>340141840
>NDA lifts on the release day iirc, could they be trying to conceal something?
it's not a videogame when people buy it day one, day one is less than a percent of sales everyone sane waits for reviews
>>340142364
But look how good AMD is doing on social media right now. /v/, /g/, and lots of gaming subreddits are excited about the 480. Nvidia knows they cannot just compete on image alone, they need to be close to the 480 in terms of price/performance. So I'm guessing $220-$240 for the 1060 while being on par with the 480. Nvidia can afford to have lower profit margins than AMD to maintain their market share, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried that for a while to prevent AMD from getting a larger foothold.
>>340142513
Do you want to pay $400 or $200? You aren't comparing cards in the same tier, bro. All I can tell you is that the 1070 has around 20% better performance for twice the price
Reminder that AMD is represented by a poo-in-the-loo
>>340142513
AMD 1070/1080 is VEGA
poolaris is a low/mid card
you are gonna have to wait till 2017
>>340142513
To add to this post, do I wait for Vega? The RX490?
>>340142534
why should I see a shit opinion?
I want evolution through bleeding edge competition. Not slightly cheaper and better shit year after year.
Fucking poorfags need to find a new hobby.
>>340142437
>Damage control
Are you upset manlet nerd?
>>340141958
>Paying extra just to get a few FPS out of games that >>340138332 can probably already max out.
Fucking kek, yeah the jews have definitely gotten to you, but go ahead keep spending your money on your overpriced toys like the good little """consumer""" that you are.
>>340142627
Vega is launching Q1 2017, it will be a long wait
>>340141532
>I can play ultra
>But at 1 FPS
MUSTARD RACE
>>340141958
>i have money so it's okay that the companies rape me!
good
goy
This card alone cannot outperform the 1070. During their conference two of these cards were used while a comparison was made, showing that they outperformed the 1070 on DX12.
Two of these cards are still cheaper than one 1070, but come on man. Stop spreading misinformation, this singular card isn't more powerful than the 1070 alone.
>>340142629
>Poorfags are >90% of the market.
This is an opinion to you?
I repeat, it's amazing how dumb you guys are.
>>340142651
>retarded idiot
if you don't plan to max out a game, then you don't even need to upgrade your gfx
$0 > $200
>thread about AMD
>full of "just wait for x, it'll blow Nvidia/Intel out of the water and be 1/4 the cost!"
>>340142737
I don't take ass numbers as fact.
Why do you faggots always compare Nvidia cards to AMD cards that cost half.
Same shit with CPUs people comparing Intel shit that costs 2x what AMD does.
If you're interested in price/performance AMD is the clear winner
If you don't care about that and can afford to spend a lot more for slightly better performance then go with Nvidia.
Comparing them directly is idiotic since they're not in the same price range.
>>340142534
>Nvidia is selling overpriced gpus that net them many times more profit compared to AMD, and they are selling out due to being the best in the market
>AMD sells cheap shit with razor thin margins
>best call
I don't know m8
>>340142590
>Nvidia can afford to have lower profit margins
actually they can't, chip is significantly bigger/marketing budget is bigger/AIB cost more
AMD is somewhat more flexible in GPU department at least
>>340142513
If you have an expensive monitor go GTX 1070. If it is just a standard 1080p affair get the RX480 and just remember to turn off gimpworks in the options menu.
>>340141019
>Intel
>>340142856
you don't understand a single thing about the market
My reasoning behind buying Nvidia products is because it's the biggest brand with the most support for games. AMD is notorious for having shitty driver support for games and I don't want to have to deal with that. Money aside, AMD has been trying to compete with Nvidia forever now and not really making any progress from what I see. It's not like they're making superior processors either. The only reason I would mess with AMD is if I wanted to spend less money on a computer that I want going to use for games.
>>340142874
Well I plan to have 2 monitors 16:9 60hz 1920x1080 setup. I have the 2nd monitor still in the box in my room ready.
Will 2 monitors affect performance alot? The 2nd monitor is mainly an internet browsing/watch stuff while playing games.
>nvidia
>>340142818
>AMDrones perpetuate a fake claim of 480 being a direct competitor of the 1xxx at an absurdly lower cost
>surprised when idiots take it as fact instead of fact checking themselves
>>340142796
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
You'll be surprised how many poorfags are PC gamers.
>>340142915
Wasn't going to use for games*
How much will the 1070 be?
>>340141824
Hi, welcome, I see this is your first time engaging in GPU wars, judging by your lack of knowledge of the products.
This is how it's always been between the companies, Nvidia is stronger, and more expensive, while AMD is a more "efficient" buy
Lurk before posting, but enjoy your stay! :)
>>340142898
>the market
So as a professional analyst. Can you supply citations for your claim?
>>340138332
2 of them are better than a 1080... for $200 less than a 1080.
>>340142873
I meant Nvidia has more money in the bank, they can accept smaller profit margins and be safe for longer than AMD can. AMD has a lot of debt and has just stabilized after bleeding money for years.
Should I upgrade to W10?
>amd
>>340143010
MSRP is like $380 for the reference card, so probably $400-450 if you want better cooling.
>>340143065
no just dual boot W10 and whatever else you're using.
>>340143065
Wait for Windows 101
>>340143010
It starts at $379 for OEM cards, and is $450 for the reference card. So an OEM card with decent cooling will probably cost around $400.
>>340142979
>steam
>accurate
BRs and Russians don't count as they don't buy anything more than shit tops
And then there's the stupid fucking smurf account shit that people actually do.
>>340143048
I'll make it simple for you:
1. not a lot of people have a lot of money
2. a lot of people have little money
3. nvidia releases a powerful VR-ready card that costs a lot of money
4. amd releases a powerful VR-ready card that costs little money
You get it now?
>>340143079
I bet he puts the poo in CPU
>>340143056
That's not how corporations work, it's not a small business between to bakeries. It will lower stock price, would strain creditors, investors will hang you for marginal marketing win etc. It's not that simple.
>>340143079
nvidia is the loo
>>340142915
>AMD is notorious for having shitty driver support for games
People keep saying this but I've been seeing nothing but the opposite with AMD since Crimson came out. Just look how fast they got on Doom.
>>340143184
Ah yes, more factual citations instead of baseless ancedotes.
>>340139808
Here you go
>>340143118
You got that mixed up. Nvidia decided to market their "founders edition" reference card as a premium card for $450, the OEM cards start at $379.
>>340143167
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
Look at the language section. Russians and Brazilians are barely 20%.
>>340142794
who is this semon demon?
>>340143065
Install a 2nd partition with windows 7 on it. That way you can keep both
When will rx490 come out?
>>340143184
A lot of people are willing to save their money to buy the more expensive thing though because they feel that it's better.
>>340140875
apparently Newegg will do Australian exchange rate price,just gotta pay $900 for shipping
>>340143167
>Russians don't count as they don't buy anything more than shit tops
actually 90% of russians have 390 or 970, they sell like hotcackes here because PC market is strong even after RUB collapse
>>340143302
Well the fact is that integrated are still the top GPU so Steam stats are worthless.
>>340143302
his point about brs and russians is that they don't use steam since they don't buy games. so they wouldn't appear in the statistics
>>340141840
Im so glad I have a 1080
>>340138332
>implying nvidia won't just outbuy AMD on all the releases where a powerful graphics card would make a change
What's really shitty is that in the '90s antitrust associations were always hot on Microsoft's ass about anything they did and now it seems Nvidia can get away with all this blatant sabotaging.
>>340143330
october-novermber
>>340143259
History is history though. If they keep on being good then I might consider them in the future.
>>340143349
Isn't everything very expensive in moscow now because of that? Why would you buy high end in such a market?
>>340142979
It's also because console prices are jacked up in third world countries since they have to import.
>>340143297
>a better GTX980 for $300 less
The price / performance of this thing is crazy. It's by far the best value card ever made.
>>340143349
How is that even possible Vlad?
>>340143238
So AMD, which is in much more debt and has a lower stock price, can afford to have much smaller profit margins but Nvidia can't? What world do you live in? Nvidia doesn't have to ruin their image by going for the super poorfag market, the 960 launched at $199 ffs, and I'm saying the 1060 could cost MORE than that and still compete with the rx 480. I'm just saying, they don't have to charge a premium over the 480.
>>340143426
>trusting pre-release benchmarks
>trusting synthetics
>going by anything but games
>>340143415
Because its the way its mean to be played™
>>340143394
But the 970 and 960 occupy the top two spots.
>>340143469
>>340143469
They dont have to charge a premium but they built a reputation that allows them to charge more for their products. Much like Intel has.
>>340143529
Don't worry anon, real-world benchmarks soon. Although considering how casual I've become I might stay on this surprisingly capable 750ti for one more generation.
AMD Won
>>340138332
>claimed performance
Yeah and the 1080 was x2 better than 980ti, right?... RIGHT?
>>340143261
Use common fucking sense you retard, of course the vast majority of PC gamers are poor.
>>340143331
>yo guys my 970 is dying I need a replacement, what's a good card in the $200-$300 range?
>yo guys what's the best bang for buck graphics card?
>yo guys I need the cheapest VR capable card, any help?
>what's the best card for maxing 1080p?
>I'm doing a budget build, recommendations for cards?
What do you answer? Easy, RX 480 8gb for $230
>yo guys I'm doing a PC build, money is not a problem what do I buy?
Now you answer gtx 1080
>hey I have a 1440p monitor, with what card can I max this out?
Here a gtx 1070 is great
Now which one do you think hits the bigger market?
>>340143425
>Isn't everything very expensive in moscow now because of that?
it's complicated, everything is twice as expensive but not yet over possible limit of purchase, people like me that spend spare money only on hardware are prevalent
flagships are a bit high in price but if you buy one flagship every 3 years it's nothing
for example reatiler I use got about a few thousand of 390s(expensive sapphire ones) in october they were out of stock in 4 days
http://videocardz.com/60915/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-founders-edition-fan-issue-to-be-fixed-with-next-driver-release
NVIDIA ALREADY OVERHEATING AND BREAKING CARDS LMFAOOOOO
>$800 FOR A HOUSE FIRE
LMAO
>>340143618
D E S I G N A T E D
>>340142962
>Will 2 monitors affect performance alot? The 2nd monitor is mainly an internet browsing/watch stuff while playing games.
no, it will not.
>getting so mad at a basic inquiry for facts you resort to walloftext
Wew
>>340143756
People who buy reference cards deserve nothing less
I feel sorry for all those who will fall victim to the ari/amd meme again, and will possess a hardware that in THEORY is powerful, but in practice will be riddled with shit drivers and lack of support. I don't even like nvidia, it just happened so many times, it made me cynical.
>>340143756
Funny that mine works fine. I will wait for the 480s actual figures to come out and sit back & laugh when its shown as a brick
>>340143464
strong PC market, people that were kids in 90s now working adults
when americans played NES we played dukenukem and warcraft
>>340143797
>getting so mad at getting btfo that you miss your reply
>>340138332
as a long term nvidia customer I was gonna get a discount 9xx series card after the 10xx series came out, I don't plan on going 4k any time soon and just want 60fps in everything.
but it's gonna be cheaper to buy this so I guess for the first time AMD will finally get a sale out of me.
>>340143852
This. I mean dammit people have the patience to wait just a little while for the kinks to be worked out.
Jesus Christ you impatient fucks.
>>340143898
>Funny that mine works fine
This happens to all founders 1080s. Maybe you just don't notice it ;)
>implying I did it on accident
Thanks for the (You)s
>>340143887
there is no theory, AMD cards still manage to beat nvidia cards in price/performance in real world benchmarks, even in gameworks games.
Nvidia is still the best if you want the premium solution, but it's a misrepresentation to act like AMD doesn't regularly update drivers.
>>340143981
>I'm just pretending to be retarded
Classic
>>340143978
That must be it yeah!
>>340143916
That's actually pretty cool.
glad it's thriving.
>>340143756
Shitty cooling will cause any card to overheat. I guarantee you than the non blower style models will perform better and cooler.
>>340143756
>Reference cooler
>>340143469
and I am trying to tell you that they can't because they fucked up pascal in a fab and have to sell it more expensive
they sell 1080 for 700-900 not because they want to- because they have to
and they know it lowers sale numbers
>>340143689
I can quote my own experiences too by saying that most people that I know, myself included, will spend the money to get the best stuff or almost best stuff when building a new computer. As for replacement parts? I would assume that most people would try to spend the same amount of money on the item they want and get something better in the process.
>>340144140
You and your group of spoiled friends don't represent 90% of the market.
>>340144097
Yet AMD doesn't have to sell the 480 at a hugely inflated cost despite being in an infinitely worse situation? How does that work?
>they sell 1080 for 700-900 not because they want to- because they have to
The price on the 1080 is so high is because demand is higher than supply because the supply of GDDR5x memory is holding production back. The Founders Edition meme was a clever way to get money from retards, but they don't make nearly the same margins from the cards that will sell much more.
>this poorfag desperately trying to rationalize AMD giving up with muh majority
Wwwwwww
Oh well
>>340143756
I like this one better.
>>340143995
> it's a misrepresentation to act like AMD doesn't regularly update drivers.
I've been an AMD customer for the past 6 years and I can safely say that most of that period has been driver hell. Shit, we actually had to use 3rd party software to enable basic features like vsync and AA without them breaking. It's only the last year or so that they finally pulled their heads out of their asses.
>>340144324
Are you going to use common sense and reasoning or are you just going to shitpost?
>my ancedotes are fact
>n-no they are
>why should I supply sources for my claims
wwwwwwwww
>>340144449
What anecdotes?
>>340138332
How hard is it to switch from one to the other anyways? I am not too good with computers.
>340144491
>340143689
>>340144536
For AMD CPUs, you'll need a whole new Mobo. For GPUs, you just swap them out.
>>340144263
>Yet AMD doesn't have to sell the 480 at a hugely inflated cost despite being in an infinitely worse situation?
It's not inflated, chip is tiny they make higher margins from it.
>1080 is so high is because demand is higher than supply
You seem to think it's like selling apples in drought.
Prices for hardware not set by market, not entirely. Prices for GPUs haven't changed for the last 10 years and now nvidia all of the sudden comes up with 20% higher for no reason according to you.
>>340144560
The only anecdote in the thread is that one >>340144140 talking about his friends buying expensive shit.
>>340144637
I am using an I5, I can't recall which exactly. Haven't had much trouble with games.
>Just swap em out
That's good to hear, at least.
>>340144042
>>340143898
post your 1080 with timestamp, liar
>>340144637
>tfw my motherboard is a piece of shit but I don't know enough about them to switch it
Fuck you M5A99X EVO and you hardcoded UEFI
>>340144638
The market definitely has an influence on price.
Intel can Jew what they Jew because AMD haven't given them competition in nearly a decade. Nvidia can Jew what they Jew because AMD can't touch them on the mid-high
>>340144791
They gotta pay that shitposting tax.
>>340144791
Nvidia get real jewish with Aus prices, it was bad enough 970 was 599, but 1070 being 800 is disgusting
>>340144638
>It's not inflated, chip is tiny they make higher margins from it.
AMD still has smaller profit margins then Nvidia. Again, IM NOT SAYING NVIDIA NEEDS TO UNDERCUT THE 480. I'm just saying $220-$240, which is literally on par with the price increase for the 1070 from the 970, would give the 1060 EQUAL price/performance to the 8gb 480. This is not a huge cut for Nvidia's profit margins, it might not even be a cut at all. But if it is a cut, Nvidia can afford it better than AMD could because AMD has much more debt and is in a much worse position in the market.
>for no reason according to you.
No, AMD has provided absolutely shit for competition and allowed Nvidia to overcharge.
While it seems to have nice percormance per price I'm still getting a 1070 simply becsuse I need more performance.
I don't get why people suddenly rush to buy it just because it's 230$ and they want to stick it to nvidia. A 980 soon won't be enough so it doesn't matter how cheap it is.
>>340144850
In GPU department it only was three years, AMD had decent 40% share before 200 series and housefire/driver meme.
Driver meme finally dying and for a good reason. Housefire gonna die with this one if they didn't hide something.
I built a budget pc two weeks ago with 380X. How much did I fuck up?
>tfw bought GTX 980 for 500€ before gtx 1080 and radeon was released
is a 970 still worth getting or is there a direct upgrade for the same/lesser price?
>>340145096
Not a lot if you have decent cooling. The 480 has last gen performance, so main difference is performance/watt and performance/price.
>>340144960
If everyone and their mother going for 480 because 1060 is september at best they will have higher margins. I see your point now.
>>340144836
Gotta learn sooner or later m8.
I did mine with relatively zero experience. Just make sure to ground yourself, no carpet and be patient.
>>340145018
Or you could wait for 490 and get the same (or better) performance for lower price?
Also don't forget that two crossfire 480s are better AND cheaper than 1080.
>>340145051
Well AMD need to tackle TDP next.
>tfw i can't take a shit without my anus bleeding
Junk food is killing me.
>>340144791
$1000+ here in NZ. -_-
>>340145164
Not unless it drops below $200, which it probably won't.
>>340138332
Would be great if that was true though.
Nvidia is still better
free market
>>340142182
>DX12 is likely going to be favored over vulkan because it requires less effort to optimize for
Have they fixed DX12's other issue? The one where it's only found on the OS that has an even worse reputation than Vista? Vulkan isn't tied to any one OS, so that alone is more enticing than making an AAA PC release/port Windows 10 exclusive
>>340141208
It literally reduces video card overhead on the cpu.
>>340145520
>>340145164
RX480 will DESTROY 970. It's not on 1070 levels, but since it's going to be similar or better than 980, and 8 fucking gb of vram instead of 3.5 the 970 has, there's no fucking reason to get 970 at this point.
>>340141019
Even I, a stupid pleb, know that AMD CPU's are wasted money. That's why I'm getting an i5-2500k and an AMD 480.
Intel CPU + AMD GPU master arce.
>>340141652
>applying common sense to something you know nothing about.
>>340140270
don't forget glorious Vulkan.
it's $199 msrp for the 4gb
the 8gb one is $240~ msrp, gonna be around $280 for aftermarket boards
>>340145187
That's not gonna come out for another 5 months.
>>340145969
bro don't embarrass yourself, 2500k is dated by today's standards, get yourself i7-6700k or something if you want to be gaming. If you do more than gaming, get a 6 core
>>340146258
You're right. What card do you have now?
>>340146175
Higher-end factory OC'd boards, sure with RGB lighting and shit, sure. But there will be stock speed aftermarket boards with not-fancy-but-still-better-than-reference cooling that will cost the same as the reference. This is always the case.
>>340146361
I have a reference EVGA gtx 560ti.
Anything right now is a viable upgrade, but I'm going to get 1440p so the 1070 seems like the best bet.
>>340145780
480 only has 4GB though
