What's so bad about Chrono Cross? Not baiting, I'm just curious. I really liked Chrono Trigger and I've heard nothing but bad things about Cross. Is it really that bad?
Chrono Nigger fags are just mad it's not a direct sequel.
Cross is a fine RPG. Most people wish it had more to do with Chrono Trigger.
>>340111531
Nothing
In fact it's a near perfect game.
It works the other way around too.
>be me
>play chrono cross
>megusta.jpg
>play chrono trigger
>what the fuck is this shit
>>340111531
Nah, it's just CT and nostalgia fags whining. CC is not perfect but it's still a wonderful game.
>memegusta.pxr
Memememing
It has too many characters and very few double/triple techs but otherwise it's pretty good.
its fine, just shouldve been its own game series or something; the parts with chrono trigger just fucked up the story. Trigger didn't even need a sequel but they..kinda tried.
Also that body switching section was pretty turrible
Otherwise I enjoyed the battle system, character designs, art, music- everything but the wtf story.
It's my favorite game, and I don't understand the hate for it. Disappointment that it's not more like Trigger? Sure, I kind of get that... but it's like savagely hated on so often.
I love both games, and I think they can be very easily loved independently from each other.
Bad?
>>340113089
>Switch bodies with Lynx
>Get that cool scythe for one battle
>Then you're forced back to Serge's stupid kayak paddle blade thing
goddammit
>>340111531
It's the ultimate PSX comfy game. When I tried to play Trigger I was put off by its uncomfiness.
>>340111531
Party bloat, shit story, and ruins Trigger's story. Really only the music is good. You'll never find someone defending Cross except here.
It's okay. That's all though.
Why is she so perfect?
>>340111531
It's a good game, but a terrible sequel.
>>340111531
Story rapes the original.
>>340114604
Up your arse. You a cute girl to manhandle you.
>>340114604
>>340116486
>>340112749
>>megusta.jpg
kys redditor
>>340111531
everyone from CT is dead in cross.
thats' it. oh, and too many characters, but if you don't like them you don't have to use them, so it's not really an issue.
>>340114689
and people want a break.
baffling.
The aspects that tie it in with chrono trigger don't coalesce until you're 50 hours into the game. And instead of playing on the time traveler theme of the first game, it plays on multiverses -- but you aren't made aware of this until about 50 hours in as well, when they start making surface connections to chrono trigger. It feels like they developed a different game and then decided it would be a sequel halfway into production.
If you played this first and then chrono trigger it would probably be a more enjoyable sequence.
>>340111531
Pants on head story and mediocre gameplay sums up its problems pretty well
>>340111531
Nothing, it's fantastic.
>>340111531
Its a great game just a shitty sequel
I've been watchingVinny stream it, and it just looks painfully slow, even for a PS1 RPG. The skill system looks needlessly complex too.
>>340118270
Maybe you shouldn't form an opinion on a game based on a youtube personality.
Maybe I want some answers that Ja Rule might not have right now.
>>340111531
The only bad thing is that some characters are not deep enough for triggerniggers taste even though the story is far better and there are more characters with deeper backgrounds than trigger.
It's alright at best.
The battling is interesting, but it's just so slow, makes fighting the same non-boss enemies fucking annoying after a while.
Element system was alright, but a pain in the ass to manage. You either buy/find enough elements for everybody, or you switch elements around whenever you swap teammates, which is a pain in the ass that takes way too much time.
Trapping sucks, too. That shouldn't be in the game. Especially considering how fucking impossible finding some elements to trap is. How would you even know that of all thing a damn dodo would be the one carrying the Unicorn element without a walkthrough? You simply don't come across stuff like that on accident.
I like the big cast, it just suffers from having a lot of characters being simply so shitty they're not worth using at all. Plus the annoyance of having the main character be simply better at everything than everyone else, makes every other character feel pointless when Serge does everything by himself.
Then a couple of other annoyances, like characters permanently missing out on stats if they're dead at the end of a boss fight, who thought that was a good idea?
>>340118268
So like Skyrim
>>340116486
>Kid
No thanks
>>340119965
Why in the fuck would you keep characters dead during boss fights in ANY RPG?
Honestly it seems to me like only literal mongoloids dislike CC.
>>340112610
Nothing bad about chrono cross, OP. In fact I like it way more than trigger, and it's my favorite game of all time.
>>340120749
Because the boss dies as I try to gain charges for my revive element.
Yes, it happens. Even when it's on the grid at level 1, with a 1 stamina attack. It fucking happens.
At least other rpgs have the decency to not permanently cripple a character when the bossfight doesn't end as cleanly as you would wish. This is still a flaw within CC
>>340113398
Confirmed shit opinion. Only genuine plebs think the story is worse than trigger's
>>340121081
This is the only boss in the game you're allowed to have trouble with.
The Chrono games are pretty much the easiest RPGs made
>>340121809
If the game had ended here instead of the hilariously stupid Schala/Lavos abortion out of no where I'd rate it a lot higher... Seriously ff9s final boss is the only rpg boss pulled further out of someone's ass
>>340122175
No it had a very clear lead up, but that would probably be asking too much reading comprehension out of you.
I'm sorry you think any kind of complex story is "Pulled out of someones ass".
Maybe RPGs aren't the correct genre for you?
so much bait in this thread, CCfags are aids.
>>340121809
Brudda, I had Lynx spamming Freefalls on my Doc because god knows who decided that he was allowed to use elements from Serge's grid.
Yes, the games are easy enough, but that doesn't stop characters from dying because unexpected things can and will happen.
Also Miguel was a joke once you saw his pattern and knew what Turn elements are.
>>340111531
>What's so bad about Chrono Cross?
it wasnt chrono trigger 2
>>340111531
Better than Trigger.
>>340111531
Its connections to Trigger did more harm than good. They should have made Cross a separate game entirely, that way only the most extreme CT nostalgiatards who hate anything just because it's not CT would hate it.
>>340113202
Daily reminder Kid is the bestbut Harle can have second place
>>340116486
>>340121809
I haven't played Trigger since launch until about two weeks ago, and honestly I think it's a lot harder than people give it credit for, especially in the earlier parts of the game (Masamune and Magus castle especially so).
Ocean Palace is a little hard if you're not prepared (elemental armour or hypnosis cheesing on Golem Twins). Black Omen is probably a little hard if you don't have Ayla charm all kinds of excessive stuff.
Not saying the game is legitimately hard by any means.
I played Cross a couple of months before Trigger, again not having played that since launch either, and while it's not particularly a bad game the combat was excessively slow. Most of the characters felt pointless.
I'd really like to play a version of Chrono Trigger that isn't necessarily a sequel but played out differently depending on your choices (mostly when you kill Lavos). Killing Lavos in Ocean Palace leading to intervention from Queen Zeal instead of the developer ending. Some kind of scenario where you play as Magus becoming the Prophet. Traveling to 1999 AD and preventing catastrophe. Defending, rebuilding, and feeding 2300 AD almost like Fallout. I just feel like there were too many open directions the game could have gone without hardware limitations. A lot of my ideas are probably shit, but still...
>>340123324
To be fair they're the only two girls in the game who aren't boring as shit
>>340123665
>>340111531
Given an army of extra characters, but can't keep the one that matters.
>>340119965
You dont have to fight non boss enemies. You don't have to switch team mates. You can run from boss fights to trap elements. Unicorns are like super rare. It's supposed to be a sort of secret. Why would you keep characters dead?
>>340123775
>When Harle left I was like meh
>When you leave kid at the orphanage, where's my bucket
>>340121809
>not the secret boss to get Glenn's second sword
Fuck you.
>>340123767
>filename
And nothing of value was lost
>>340123767
>Leena sends you off to risk your life for some materials for a necklace
What a bitch.I like that.
>>340123880
Have you ever considered that you might be gay?
>>340123941
Maybe if serge wasn't sleeping in til noon they would have gone together and maybe fucked on some monster corpses.
>>340123880
I'll be honest. When kid got poisoned and was bedridden, I was actually glad to be free of her for awhile.
>>340123941
>generic childhood friend
>>340124074
Maybe for this
>>340114689
Not even close to being a sequel
It's like saying Xenoblade is a sequel for Xenosaga
>>340124281
Maybe.
>>340124404
Right. I like my generic girls though.
>>340124401
The fuck you just say?
>>340124401
Why is there no more good porn of Harle?
>>340123849
>You dont have to fight non boss enemies.
You do. They're in the way, and occasionally you do need the stats, money or items.
>You don't have to switch team mates.
You do. Not only because I like so many of the characters, but because you just need different innates for different sections.
>You can run from boss fights to trap elements.
You can, but it's still a pain in the ass. Trapping could have been handles so much more conveniently, but they chose not to.
Trapping is like playing Pokemon without being able to capture wild Pokemon without first running from the fight, replacing one of your own Pokemon's skills with the pokeball and then fighting again to capture whatever you wanted. And each pokeball can only catch one kind of pokemon, so you have to grind for cash and stock up on everything, just in case.
It's fucked.
>Unicorns are like super rare. It's supposed to be a sort of secret.
There's secrets, and then there's being cryptic beyond any reason.
> Why would you keep characters dead?
I've answered this. SHIT HAPPENS is the short version, sometimes the fight simply ends before you get to revive your character.
And no, your post doesn't excuse bad design. Permanent stat losses for dying in a boss battle is objectively shitty design.
>>340124516
What is that blonde girl laughing about?
>>340124605
because tasteful, well done clown porn, by its own paradoxical nature, is hard to find.
>>340121809
Both are harder than FFVI and FFVII.
>>340124862
It's not fair
Her sexiness is being wasted
i made a God Hand edit for Chrono Cross a few years ago but lost it. If anyone happened to have it saved i would love you more than your designated Cross/Trigger waifu
>>340111531
Nothing besides Gale.
>>340121081
You will gain the missed stats on the next star. Characters at 99* have the exact same stat loadouts and I think also at 50 every time no matter what you do. Why do you post this in every fucking CC thread you goddamn moron?
>>340123881
You mean the boss that determines his action based on what you did as a counter that you can easily AI loop?
>>340123881
black plate on the snake princess lady. Congrats, you win.
>>340111531
Games great I've played through it at least 12 times. There's bonus levels if you fight monsters after most stars to boost stats even more,the side quests are fantastic, especially with garai. Story is confusing until a text dump from the "prophet" or whatever he was called. And the element system and field control is a wonderful addition to make combat more engaging and strategic.
Absolutely love it, 9.9/10
A LOT of characters have basically no story.
>>340124765
Fuck nigger you're a goddamn idiot you know that? You post this shit in every thread which is half you being autistic and the other have just being outright wrong.
>>340117148
>and too many characters, but if you don't like them you don't have to use them, so it's not really an issue.
It is an issue when the characterisation suffered from them spreading their efforts too thin, which is why they scrapped Guile's story as Magus.
>>340126257
>It is an issue when the characterisation suffered from them spreading their efforts too thin
There's no evidence to support this claim. The characters they wanted to develop are developed. Which is still more than half the cast and several of them are still optional.
>>340118041
>And instead of playing on the time traveler theme of the first game, it plays on multiverses -- but you aren't made aware of this until about 50 hours in as well
Are you a literal retard? It's immediately obvious after the first warp that you've been sucked into a parallel universe, and if you're too retarded to figure that out then you go off back to the home world to kill the hydra for Kid's medicine all of 8 hours in.
>>340126390
>There's no evidence to support this claim.
You mean aside from the developer interviews where they specifically stated that Guile's story was scrapped because it would've made him too important at the expense of other characters?
>>340111531
its a lot better game then trigger combat system wise. Trigger has more charming cast and story tho. Cross story is really engrossing too I particularly liked lynx really cool character design. Basically a darkside cat man.
>>340126529
I didn't say anything about Guile. What you said also has nothing to do with spreading themselves thin, they just didnt want to stack one optional character too strongly with story.
May as well complain that Red XIII or Barret didn't get enough story because Yuffie and vincent exist but are optional.
>>340125828
Try actually keeping characters dead for a large number of bosses and see if they ever catch up. I've tested enough to see the answer myself.
Also this is the first CC thread I've participated in. I'm not whoever you think I am.
Chrono Cross shit posting is the purest form of shit posting, even though this game is the better of the two
>>340126848
>Try actually keeping characters dead for a large number of bosses and see if they ever catch up
1. Why would I do that
2. They would, the game keeps track of character stats compared to star level and has something of an average it wants each character at by points. It's like this because character stat growth is a seeded RNG and sometimes a character can be dicked over without missing any stars at all. So if it notices a character has super low stats for your star level then that character gets a huge level compared to other characters.
>>340126764
>What you said also has nothing to do with spreading themselves thin, they just didnt want to stack one optional character too strongly with story.
Are you daft? They're directly related. If they'd gone for a smaller set party like CT there would never have been an issue with not wanting to put too much story focus on certain characters because it'd draw attention away from others.
>May as well complain that Red XIII or Barret didn't get enough story because Yuffie and vincent exist but are optional.
That's a stupid comparison. This is a core character being made optional and having their story entirely stripped from the game.
>>340119965
>You either buy/find enough elements for everybody, or you switch elements around whenever you swap teammates, which is a pain in the ass that takes way too much time.
Did you somehow never find the menu options to transfer all elements straight to another character to save you from the trouble of doing this?
>>340116289
So much this, its what pisses me off
>>340112534
anon....it IS a direct sequel.
SE shoehorned the Dream Devourer into the DS version of Trigger as a secret boss.
The fact that the game has about 40 characters when half of them are almost completely pointless and literally 3 or 4 of them get any actual development already makes me not like it.
>>340111531
>3Deep5Me story
>TOO MANY CHARACTERS
>everything you did in Trigger was pointless
>the fact that SE INSISTS it is a direct sequel nowadays
>overrated OST (FIGHT ME BOUT IT CT OST > CC OST)
>one of the slowest starts in jrpgs
Kid was always a stupid name. I always renamed her Schala because she was a clone. Admittedly, I was too young to know how clones worked.
Pissed shes barely in the game.
>>340118270
It isn't. If anything, I'd say it's much faster-paced than FF7 and FF8.
And the skill system isn't that complicated.
Chrono Cross is literally the fedora of video games
>>340129385
suikoden does the same thing. don't see anyone whining about that. 40 isn't even that much.
>>340124862
I love how in the beginning, the negative answers are the default for Leena. Kinda makes Serge a bit of a jerk.
>>340111531
I remember loving the game as a kid, and recently rebought it, since i was too shit at the game to beat it.
Now I cant manage to force myself to play it, feels so boring.
One of the few old RPGs I used to love, that I cant replay w/o getting bored.
(CT on the other hand, managed to get me addicted all over again, even after having played it through so many times as a kid)
Why is she so sexy?
>>340129810
it's about the execution anon.
Suikoden got it down pat with gameplay. Cross didn't.
>>340129883
Chrono Cross is one of the easiest RPGs ever. There really only 3 bosses that are difficult without using stat magic/elements.
>>340129745
But that's wrong
>>340129903
find better art.
>>340129883
huh. CT bores me to tears. haven't played CC in ages.
>>340130135
>find better art
But that one is good
>>340130041
suikoden's gameplay is abysmal.
and everyone only has like one dual move. such a waste. would've been so much better as a srpg, where instead of hiring generic grunts, you use the characters you find. consolidate that into the half ass little strategy mini game and it would've been amazing. as is it's way too easy and bland.
>>340130229
not really. arm is all messed up.
>>340128332
There was no such option as far as I remember. And auto allocation never gave the optimal elements.
>>340130135
>CT bores me to tears
Admittedly, it does to me. It feels too similar to the older FF games and I hate the art style.
>>340130332
Good art of her is extremely hard to come by though
>>340130125
>every character, even the fucking NPCs, try to be all philosophical with some 2deep4u shit talk
>yet another "HUMANS SUX" environmental message, except this time it's cheesy and poorly-executed in general
>>340130509
I know, anon.
damn shame.
>>340130384
it's too linear, but it teases you that you have some choice with how you customize your party. and ATB is balls.
Literally no should be mad about the dead Chino Trigger cast in CC with all the shenanigans with time travel and parallel worlds that both games established. It was simply what happened in that reality. The trigger cast is happily living in another timeline. Choice and possibility nigga.
>>340121809
This was the only boss that gave me trouble.
I was serverly under stat for him, and no matter how much fighting I did, I coudlnt get my stats up high enough.
I remember going for secret bosses, to try and get more stats for this fight.
After about 2 months of grinding, my HP just hit 200 on Lynx, and the rest were below 200 hp.
Sure enough, surviving basic attacks was impossible, much less his 700 dmg hit everyone attack. (which was impossible to interrupt the color/effects, as he gets 3 attacks in a row, and you run out of healing spells to keep your guys revived/healed up.)
The moment you have to charge up once for a heal, he takes the opportunity to wipe the field clean.
granted, I was terrible at games back then, but this one was just impossible based on guides I read, I needed like 300+ hp to suvive his weaker attacks, which I just couldnt get, no matter how much grinding I did. RNG hurt me bad when I lost Serge.
>>340123465
Chrono Trigger hard? Careful you might make some autistic faggot mad on the internet.
>>340130513
humans do suck.
>>340130909
this. how else were they supposed to do a sequel?
>>340131230
Yes, but the way Chrono Cross presents this is just illogical and the other species are just as bad, if not worse.
Look at those dwarves, they got driven away from their homeland by humans, sure, but then they decide to take over the lands of another species because of that. And then when you beat them, they have the fucking nerve to say that "Humans are evil and destroy everything, why can't they coexist in peace with us?" shit.
Why couldn't YOU coexist peacefully with the fairies instead of attacking their homeland and killing a lot of them in the process, dipshit?
>>340131219
He said he didnt think it was hard.
But honestly when I was a kid, it seemed like the hardest RPG I have ever played.
tried it again when I was older, and realized every single boss has the same strategy.
Something you do, triggers a Counter Attack, that wipes your team. Dont do that thing.
(As a kid, I'd spam the living shit out of that thing, and still somehow manage to beat the game underleveled as heck, as i ran away from everything, and didnt understand strategies)
I usually suck at turn based RPGs, but right now I'm playing through CT for the first time and having heaps of fun and best of all, not struggling, which I normally do. Is this game easy? Or am I actually getting better? I just reached at Lab 32? I think it's called
>>340131675
It is pretty easy though in a nice balanced way imo since you will be fine throughout as long as you don't run away from battles constantly.
How well does chrono cross run on a N3DS in retroarch? King's field is 100% playable but it's just a blocky mess so I figured something like cross would be a lot more taxing even if the bg is just a bunch of paintings
I think I'd have appreciated Chrono Cross a lot more if had been its own thing.
As it stands, it kind of shits all over the whole point of Chrono Trigger in the first place, while also missing the big part of what makes Radical Dreamers work as a character arc, i.e. Magus/Janus protecting a version of Schala.
It's pretty comfy, overall, but the forced connection to Chrono Trigger both limits the plot and gives it a sour note for people who've played the preceeding game.
>>340131518
Yeah, I basically just meant you have to think a little bit.
There are a few fights in the game where you might legitimately have a hard time if you don't do things like backtrack to get overpowered armor after acquiring the powered up pendant (doubly so if you don't realize that touching a chest but not opening it in the past and then opening it in the future gives you a super powered version). The Masamune fight either requires quick thinking (in all fairness I played active / max speed) or remembering a random comment from a NPC in an inn.
Overall the game isn't hard, but it's not one of the many JRPGs you can just mash "Attack" to win. Knowing the quirk to each boss fight beforehand makes the game really easy, too, and obviously New Game+ makes the game trivial.
>tfw third game never because the dream team is all gone now
Gotta love the part where they bring back Robo just to immediately kill him off.
They even kill of Johnny and Gato.
>>340131675
Trigger is a very, very easy game.
Crono is OP as hell, and unless you go out of your way to neglect a character or ignore basic, basic clues, you won't have any issues at all.
>>340132618
>unless you go out of your way to neglect a character (...)
I did a run where at no point I changed any gear nor applied any capsules to anyone. Starting stuff (wooden sword, pea shooter, etc) all the way through. It was still easy as hell
>>340131126
Starky was the coolest team member. My last run through was starky and turnip with Serge
>>340132876
Starky aka nightmare face. Hrrrrh.
>>340132789
>nor applied any capsules to anyone
The only capsules that really matter are speed, and to an extent magic for Robo for OP Heal Beam.
>>340131507
Because they're hypocritical and selfish pricks. Sentient beings aren't always logical, and shouldn't always be presented as such.
>>340131518
>>340132397
I know what he meant.
Just to make it more clear I agree it isn't difficult but it does have it's rough patches.
Which was what I said last time in a CT thread but some autistic faggot had a meltdown about it.
>>340133481
Yeah but the fairies blame the humans too
>>340134357
I was going to say that, the game obviously wants us to feel sorry for the dwarves, but their reasoning only made me fucking hate them more and later hate the fairies for being ungrateful cunts.
>>340135057
>Hating fairies
Blasphemy.
>>340135694
Razzly is a slut
>>340135796
Razzly is adorable and pure, you shut your face.
>>340135968
>pure
I bet she really enjoyed those tentacles
>>340121320
You've obviously never played Cross if you actually think that.
