is the Witcher high fantasy or low fantasy?
>>340103359
it's low brow misogynist entertainment
>>340103359
High. It doesn't take place on earth. This question could have easily been answered by a cursory Google search, but I'm guessing it's a lame attempt at starting an argument due to your ignorance on high vs low fantasy. Because you're an idiot.
>>340103359
High cutscenes low gameplay
>>340103514
low fantasy takes place on earth? i thought it was where there wasnt much magic
>>340103359
Its high fantasy that fell down in the mud.
>>340103514
High fantasy can take place on earth, it would just be an earth with magic and shit.
High Fantasy with more detail put into it than most fantasy stories ever would give a shit enough to.
What are some popular examples of low fantasy? Because even LotR where we see relatively little magic is considered high fantasy? I mean Gandalf, Saruman and that dude we barely see are the only mages left, is it considered low fantasy with only one mage?
It's garbage fantasy at best
>>340103671
>>340103808
No, it has to be a setting outside of our own world. Harry Potter is low fantasy, and most people don't seem to know that Lord of the Rings is also low fantasy.
Middle Earth is Europe in the distant past.
>>340104286
witcher is low fantasy there aint much magic and there is gritty war in a bleak world where things are shitty for most people.
>>340103514
So Game of Thrones is high fantasy then? Get a load of this ignorant.
>>340103359
How come Geralt takes less damage from a punch from a rock troll than he does from Peasant Fistfigher #7?
>>340104367
didn't know there were elves in the past
>>340104367
low fantasy doesnt have to be on earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_fantasy
guys look its skyring :D
in poland :DDD
>>340104673
also
>Role-playing games use a different definition of the genre, defining it as closer to realism than to mythic in scope.
id say witcher is low fantasy based on this defintion.
>>340104432
Yeah, the shadow demon babies, resurrections from the Lord of Light, Dragons, Children of the Forest, the White Walkers, and the Faceless Men are all low fantasy.;^)
>>340104367
Yup, you're retarded.
Friendly reminder that if you don't use Manticore armor you're officially shit-tier
>>340104286
Lotr as a story is low fantasy, the tolkien universe is high fantasy. A low fantasy story is generally one where magic is present but it's the core aspect of that story and world, like Lotr or Asoiaf. Something like the malazan book of fallen saga, which is very gritty, political and character driven, is considered high fantasy since magic is the core aspect of the story and world.
>>340104639
That's because you haven't actually read Tolkien. The Legendarium is an alternate earth history that Tolkien invented.
It's cynical/post-modern high fantasy. I don't remember the youtube reviewer that said it, but yeah it's basically Shrek.
This is a compliment btw
>>340104783
>this miracle is less impossible than this other miracle!
Magic in GoT is rare and far between, even the author said that the final books despite going full magic will have much less magic than most fantasy stories. It's low fantasy.
>>340104367
>Middle Earth is Europe in the distant past
No it isn't
>>340104830
can't believe how great it looks, brings back happy memories
>>340104830
>>340105280
>they bring back the best armor but not the best music track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2WUZ8X4C5o
>>340104974
have you ever read the Ainulindale? it is very clearly not our world
the legendarium STARTED as an attempt to explain the "forgotten origins" of our world, but evolved from that
>>340104387
witcher is full magic bruh! you cray-cray dawg?
>>340103359
It's a world full of monsters and magical creatures, just because the characters are not absolutely good or absolutely evil and fuck all the time doesn't make it low fantasy.
low because magic is rare and hard to do
>>340103359
medium fantasy
>>340104834
>malazan book of fallen saga
These any good? I have them in the backlog.
>>340103671
>>340103359
>>340103514
Low-fantasy is typically fantastical things happening in an average world. Unbreakable and American Gods would be good examples of low-fantasy.
I don't understand any of these definitions or categories. High Fantasy, Low Fantasy, Sword and Sorcery, Middle Fantasy, what the fuck is all this shit? What's Tolkien? What's Arthurian Myth? What about the Greeks? Discworld? Fuck you.
>>340105809
I've read through the first three books and I enjoyed them.
My favorite was the second -- Deadhouse Gates.
>>340103359
It has to be high fantasy. The world was ruled by mythical races until the conjunction of spheres which brought in humans and magical beasts.
The wild hunt are ancient elves from another dimension.
Ciri travels through time and multiple universes.
>>340104367
That's wrong, low fantasy is a setting within the limits of a rational world, it just so happens that earth falls within this category because to us it is the prime example of a 'rational world', mount and blade is clearly low fantasy but isn't set on earth.
>>340105809
it's fantasy written by an anthropologist so it goes real in-depth with the civilizations and shit but it's super high fantasy where it gets like DBZ
>>340106023
once you realize that fantasy is all the same shit, you go to sci fi specifically space operas and stuff like that. alistair reynolds, pete hamilton... etc.
still waiting on that commonwealth tv series... after that games in the setting are inevitable.
I'd probably say High Fantasy with Geralt as the protag.
>a human who got mutated into a Witcher by Kaer Morhen alchemical masters, using now-lost magical techiques, who quaffs potions/uses magical hand gestures to fight monsters
If was Siegfried was the MC I'd say low fantasy. That nigga was just an average human knight who fights monsters using nothing but the BURNING PASSION that is in his heart.
>>340103469
>baiting this hard
Slow day?
>>340105031
Magic is rare and low key because dragons have died. Now that dragons are back, magic is coming back too.
And besides, there's places like Asshai where magic hasn't died.
>>340106023
>I have no knowledge in this particulare field, therefore fuck you
o.k
>>340106146
>>340106041
Welp. It sounds interesting, but the DBZ magical shit sounds off putting. I remember starting to read Sabriel, all excited due because of necromancy, and the first few pages were already too high on the magical shit for me. Dropped it almost immediately.
Guess I'll try the first book and see how it goes.
REMINDER: The terms High and Low refer to setting, not fucking content.
That's why Thomas Covenant is high fantasy, despite the main character being a whiny, leprosy riddled rapist.
>>340106315
The first book is so far the worst that it's not even funny.
>>340106180
Recommend me some good sci-fi books, senpai. I only have the Hyperion Cantos in the backlog (is it even sci-fi?) but don't know where to get started.
Cyberpunk, space cowboys kinda like Firefly, whatever you have.
>>340106180
Sci-fi gets the same way man, there's pulp sci-fi, retro sci-fi , "raygun gothic", hard sci-fi, """speculative fiction""", space opera, space fantasy, and so on
Witcher is high fantasy but does a good job of making the fantasy parts have a real impact on the lives of those in the fictional world.
>>340105809
It's probably my favorite fantasy saga, read it if you enjoy intricate character driven plots and political shanenigans. It's pretty high fantasy tho', magic is very powerful, but there are no special snowflakes, many power players around to keep things balance, a lot of strategy involved.
>>340106478
Have you read Red Rising?
The audiobook for that series is astoundingly good.
The book itself is 7/10.
>>340106475
Personally I think dust of dreams was the weak link.
>>340104697
Really good shitpost
Anomander Rake is pretty edgy.
>>340106478
What kind of stuff do you like? How crazy do you want to get?
>>340106575
>audiobook
Are these actually good? I have no idea why I would get one instead of reading on my own. But no, haven't read it.
>Low fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy fiction involving "nonrational happenings that are without causality or rationality because they occur in the rational world where such things are not supposed to occur."[1] Low fantasy stories are set either in the real world or a fictional but rational world, and are contrasted with high fantasy stories which take place in a completely fictional fantasy world setting with its own set of rules and physical laws.
Both Witcher and ASOIAF are high fantasy. In the Witcher, Destiny and Prophecies are an actual tangible force that can be studied and manipulated in a way and ASOIAF has, besides magic, monsters, dragons and a magic steel, seasons that last for decades.
>>340103514
Its also a multiverse-like,
The Witcher world itself is literally formed from the combination of multiple worlds.
>>340106669
I'm a pleb as far as literature goes. I like magic just fine, but only when not abused. I have my videogames for retarded amounts of magic, raining meteors upon my enemies, and power level comparisons.
For books, I'd rather have it much more mild. I really like ASoIaF. Magic is treated just fine in there for me. It happens, but it's not over the top. Or the Kingkiller Chronicles where magic is more like a very intricate science, and the "true" magic is pretty much forgotten and nobody uses it. I liked Bram Stoker's Dracula when I read it years ago, ignoring the shit ending.
Does that help?
>>340106023
>What's Tolkien
Low fantasy
>What's Arthurian Myth
Low fantasy
>Greeks
An ethnic group native to Greece.
>Discworld
Comic Fantasy
Now was that so hard?
>>340106674
I primarily listen at work, so there's that.
Also, a great reader can add additional depth or color to a story, especially when they work with the author.
Key examples would be Micheal Page in The Lies of Locke Lamora, Stephen Pacey in The First Law or Tim Gerard Reynolds in Red Rising.
Especially in Red Rising, there's a sort of cultural change the protagonist undergoes. The reader showcases this with the inner monologue of the character being in his original accent and his spoken dialogue in a different one. It's very well done.
Not to mention that a reader can give better timing than you might while you read.
And this doesn't even touch the ridiculously enjoyable and cheesy full adaptations like Graphic Audio.
They aren't a replacement for books, they're just a different way to experience them.
>>340105420
Fuck that song, no love lost on that not returning
>>340107067
>Tolkien Low Fantasy
Can you please tell me your reasoning?
High fantasy but set in a world where fairy tales actually happened and science coexists with magic. It might be a gritty setting with politics, and you don't see magic everywhere, but the influence of things like the supernatural and Destiny is very real. There's also a lot of references to the real world and anachronisms.
>>340106575
Shit I'm listening to Morning Star right now. Real fucking good, I love the guy who does the audio. His voice work is amazing.
>>340106674
Yes, audiobooks are fucking awesome because it allows you to do other shit. Things I do while I listen to a book:
Drive
Shower
Lay down to sleep (in the dark)
Playing video games that aren't heavily dependant on sound
Take walks/runs/hikes
etc. Audiobooks are nice because they don't demand your full attention like a book does. I still like books but audiobooks are inherently superior. Plus a lot of the times the monologues that the audiobook authors do are better than my own inner monologue.
>>340107067
>>340107317
First Age Arda is absolutely high fantasy
>>340107067
>Tolkien
>Low Fantasy
>>340107393
>Real fucking good
I enjoyed it so much.
Cannot wait for the sequel series, especially with all the hype shit that happened near the end.
>>340107317
>>340107506
As >>340104834 and >>340104367 have said, Middle EARTH (note the word earth here) takes place on Earth, specfically a European in the distant past. It has magic, but it takes place on Earth, which makes it low fantasy. Tolkien himself said it takes place in North West Europe.
>>340107317
>>340107506
I would say by the time of LOTR Middle Earth is definitely getting towards Low Fantasy, after all it was about all the mystical and wondrous things of the world fading away, it was the last hurrah of that sort of stuff before it became the more mundane world we know today
>>340107735
>>340107754
No, you're just retarded. Tolkien is archetypal High Fantasy.
>>340107393
>>340107158
I'll try Red Rising I suppose, thanks. Maybe I'll like audiobooks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_fantasy
It's 100% high, but its grittiness and realism makes it easily confused for low.
Opposite for Game of Thrones: it's definitely low fantasy, but it wouldn't be that hard for somebody to argue that it's high just because of the dragons and rare use of magic.
>>340107914
No, it's not.
>>340108234
>ctrl + f "A Song of Ice and Fire" on High Fantasy link
>3 results
Anon...
>>340104367
>Middle Earth is Europe in the distant past.
>>340108036pirate it from audiobookbay. Audiobooks are super expensive and the book is really successful, so don't feel guilty.
>>340108545
Do fucking people not know this by now? Fucking go back to GoT you shithead.
>>340108545
It is you fucking mong. Tolkien himself has said so.
>>340108570
>audiobookbay
Shit thanks Anon, I've just been getting mine from piratebay or Kat and their selection is...not great.
>>340108570
>pirate it from audiobookbay. Audiobooks are super expensive and the book is really successful, so don't feel guilty.I was going to when I saw it at $30+ on Amazon. Fuck that pricing.
>>340108835
Ironically, audible is the only good deal Amazon offers.
I use it for stuff not on audiobookbay.
>>340103514
>>340104367
Have all my (you)'s my man
>>340106023
this made me kek harder than it should have
>>340108687
Tolkien has said the fucking opposite. He has gone on record clearly stating that it has nothing to do with our world
>>340109484
You're fucking wrong.
> Letters 294: "...Middle Earth. This is an old word not invented by me, as a reference to a dictionary such as the Shorter Oxford will show. It is meant to be the inhabitable lands of our world, set amid the surrounding Ocean. The actions of the story take place in the North-west of 'middle-earth', equivalent in latitude to the coastlands of Europe and the north shores of the Mediterranean...Hobbiton and Rivendell are taken (as intended) to be about the latitude of Oxford, the Minas Tirith, 600 miles south, is about the latitude of Florence. The mouths of Anduin, and the ancient city of Pelargir are about the latitude of ancient Troy.", Letters, pg 375,376
Get fucked.
High fantasy = everybody knows magic exists
Low fantasy = nobody believes in magic, but it does exist OR there is no magic but it doesn't take place in our world
>>340108590
have... you never read any of the books or seen the maps? The world is shaped like a star
>>340109705
It's not just defined by magic. You can go high fantasy with a non magical setting and low fantasy wit a magical one, it's more about tone and scope.
>>340109648
I think you need some reading comprehension there buddy.
That quote doesn't say what you think it says
>>340109484
The entirety of LOTR is presented as a translation from a lost age of our world that we're lead to believe Tolkien himself found in some dusty archive and worked on himself.
>>340109648
he doesnt explicitly say that middle earth is our earth, only referencing the literal definition of the term
>>340109957
Keep telling yourself that buddy. Tolkien has routined said Middle Earth isn't a fantasy world.
> Letters 183: "I am historically minded. Middle-earth is not an imaginary world. The name is the modern form (appearing in the 13th century) of midden-erd>middel-erd, an ancient name for the oikoumene, the abiding place of Men, the objectively real world, in use specifically opposed to imaginary worlds (as Fairyland) or unseen worlds (as Heaven or Hell). The theatre of my tale is this earth, the one in which we now live, but the historical period is imaginary. The essentials of that abiding place are all there (at any rate for inhabitants of N.W. Europe), so naturally it feels familiar, even if a little glorified by enchantment of distance in time., Letters pg. 239"
>uhbloobloobloo muh headcanon is wrong what will I do nowwww
>>340104367
(You) deserve this
>>340110225
See
>>340110227
>The theatre of my tale is this earth, the one in which we now live
>the one in which we now live
>the one in which we now live
>the one in which we now live
One might argue that it's Epic fantasy...
>>340110348
>but the historical period is imaginary
>>340110515
Yeah and? Same as Conan and King Arthur, it's our world but an imaginary lost age
>>340110515
No shit. I never said orcs and wizards were real.
But it takes place on OUR Earth, which is what >>340110225 disagreed about. It Is our Earth, in an obviously imaginary setting. Can you not comprehend the difference or????
>>340103359
It's somewhere in the middle. The author managed to strike a perfect balance.
>>340110446
win
>>340110762
You realize where the word "epic" actually means, right?
>>340105420
At least they brought this back, also barghests and all the vampire bitches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8dBg2mlyJY
>>340110624
>>340110696
>imaginary
>somehow same earth
>>340103696
>Its high fantasy that fell down in the mud.
A pretty accurate description
>>340103359
It's low fantasy but more specifically Dark Fantasy
>>340111039
>Author literally says it's on the same Earth
>"It's not on our Earth!"
Have you been tested for retardation? I'm concerned for your well being Anon.
>>340103359
It features a multiverse. So high F.
High fantasy
>completely separate world from our Earth
>extensive use of magic
>numerous creatures and beasts that do not exist in our world
>multiple dominant races other than humans (elves, dwarves, etc.)
It's cookie cutter high fantasy. Most of it is severely correlated with Lord of the Rings, unfortunately, despite having more mature themes and plotlines, but the setting follows that same mold.
Realistically, at this point if a setting has humans, elves and dwarves, it is high fantasy and a LOTR-clone, considering the abundance of fantasy out there that is much more differentiated than LOTR.
During the second conjugation at the end of 3, I thought the planet the showed in the rift was somehow implied to be our earth or so,e shit. Or did I remember it wrong
>>340106478
Revelation Space
Destination Void
Canticle for Lebowitz
All of C.J Cherrahys stuff.
The Stars my Destination
Old Man's War
The Forever War
The Sprawl Trilogy/Gibson's short stories
Snow Crash
Book of the New Sun
The Mote in God's Eye.
For fantasy, I'm gonna suggest the Elric Saga.
>>340111715
>The Forever War
This shit was good. One of those books where at the end I just put the book down, look off in the distance and say "fuuuuuuuck"
>>340103359
It's Gay fantasy.
>>340104367
I genuinely don't understand how someone could get satisfaction out of making themselves look like a fucking idiot for nothing more than the fleeting amusement of literal nobodies
>>340111715
Might as well post this too
>>340111245
I guess Hermione is black too, eh?
>>340111713
>>340112256
I don't really follow Harry Shitter but if J.K Rowling writes a book and specifically says she's black, then yes, she's black. Your headcanon doesn't overrule actual canon, sorry Tumblr.
>>340111713
Ciri mentions being in our world, once. She describes some of what she saw to Geralt. So yeah, probably.
>>340106478
Do you want sci-fi that's absolutely fucking insane and most likely written by a mad scientist?
>>340111715
Thanks anon. I love clogging up the backlog. Maybe one day I'll reach one of these books.
>>340111713
Humans aren't natives of the planet the Witcher is set on, so it's likely they were pulled from our Earth.
>>340112253
Oh boy. I'm in for a ride.
>>340112446
It's also implied she visited the Cyberpunk 2077 world, or another futuristic place where people have "metal in their heads"
>>340105037
It really is. "The Hobbit" is actually a book that exists in the LotR universe.
Also, "Middle Earth" literally means middle of the Earth. It was always intended to be a fantasy version of Earth's (Europe's) ancient history.
>>340112742
No pressure, I'm a bit of a freak when it comes to speed reading, and I've read most of those books. If you have any questions, ask away.
Pretty sure it's on another level
>>340113951
How are the Arthurian ones? I've always been interested, but I could never find a decent version for the One and Future King. All I know about King Arthur is random tidbits from animoo and children's movies.
Other than that, I have my sights on Mistborn, The Book of the New Sun, Brave New World, 1984, The Diamond Age, Stranger in a Strange Land, and The Forever War. Any comments or recommendations are welcome.
Already read some of the ones on the image, or have them in the backlog.
>>340114385
It really helps to have a Kindle because you can find a ton of shit often for dirt cheap on Amazon. They often have 'megapacks' of lots of stuff, there's a bunch of Arthurian ones actually, I have four or five actually, the real helpful ones have footnotes to explain medieval terminology and stuff.
Now if you actually enjoy it is a matter of taste like anything.
>>340114385
All I've read for the Arthur stuff is once and future king, its pretty good.
I think that Brave New World is better than 1984, I really like Huxley.
Book of the New Sun is fantastically gloomy, Diamond Age isn't really cyberpunk in the traditional sense, its all nanotech.
Stranger in a Strange land is basically the hippie free love movement in a book.
The Forever War is basically Joe Haldman, who was a Vietnam vet, trying to communicate how isolated returning troops felt. He does a really good job of it.
Oh, I forgot to mention Armor. If you want a top notch power armor book, that's a must read.
>>340114758
I do have a Kindle, I love the little shit even if it's slow as molasses. Any recommendations for the Arthurian ones or do I just get whatever version looks nice?
>>340114180
The filter still bothers me, looking forward to playing B&W at least.
>>340105540
>have you ever read the Ainulindale
You do know that there are half a dozen versions of every story he wrote right? None of them should be considered "canon" because he was constantly rewriting his work. Also Ainulindale is very clearly Tolkien's own take on Genesis, because he infused his catholic beliefs in just about everything he wrote.
>>340105420
>River of Life
oh fuck me
>>340114907
Get these if you can:
King Arthur Ultimate Collection by Everlasting Flames Publishing - this has two of the most important versions, Le Morte D'Arthur and Idylls of the King
Four Arthurian Romances by Chretien
King Arthur and his Knights of the Round Table by Roger Lancelyn Green
Story of King Arthur and His Knights by Howard Pyle
Once and Future King is on there somewhere
Please help, I can't possibly finish all of this books, vidya, and visual novels in my lifetime while also doing my other activities. What do?
>>340115780
>this
Meant these. Fuck my autism.
>>340109783
No it isn't. After Numenor tried to invade the undying lands Eru reshaped the world into a sphere.
>>340104770
It's low-fantasy literature but high-fantasy vidya going off of that.
Do you guys know any schlocky fantasy to read on my morning train ride? Not complete dreck but something simple and doesn't take too much thinking about.
>>340116925
Elric.
>>340111037
>don't lose it this time
>immediately put it on a display shelf never to be touched again
thx lady
>>340117697
I thought so too but I use that shit exclusively now, once it charges up it's truly Excalibur
>>340116925
>fantasy
>not complete dreck
???
>>340114907
>I think that Brave New World is better than 1984, I really like Huxley.
Hell yes Brave New World is better, Huxley is fucking great. Have you read any of his other works?
>>340117951
There's a big difference between LOTR and Eragon
you mongoloids
Does the setting have magic or fantasy races?
>Yes
It's high fantasy
>No
It's low fantasy
>>340118040
> Have you read any of his other works?
No. What do you recommend?
>>340115650
are all of those in ye olde Middle English? I tried reading some medieval stuff before but it just baffled my American brain too much
>>340103359
Low Fantasy.
High Fantasy would be stuff like Warcraft or Elder Scrolls where the average joe could use magic and shit.
In Witcher theres only a handful of people with magic powers
>>340103514
Is dragon ball z low fantasy because it takes place on earth then?
>>340112253
What's the closest thing to Persona in a book?
As in high school students with magic powers saving the world?
>>340114180
Stop posting pictures please, this is torture.
I can't get it for another two weeks.
>>340118205
Not all of them, the medieval texts are translated to more modern spellings in most of the collections, and the more "modern" (19th century) ones are typical of their time.
>>340112446
Ciri has been to Scotland, Germany, Italy and France, and Camelot (at least)
>>340118204
Island is sort of an antithesis to Brave New World; it's Huxley's idea of a perfect society. Doors of Perception and Heaven and Hell are also really interesting and are extremely well-written, like all of his work.
>>340118561
the last book in fact had her telling her whole story to Galahad then riding off with him
>>340112315
That's just... an Earth-like planet
>>340116925
wheel of time series, or the once and future king
>>340114180
Damn, that shit looks like Alice in Wonderland. I haven't even played Hearts of Stone yet.
>>340104432
It's getting higher and higher
>>340112561
Avallach even explains that humans went to the world of the witcher after evolving for some million years and destroying their original world
>>340114385
If you haven't read the Dune books, I'd recommend them. They're fantastic, especially the first three of four, but I couldn't fault you for skipping the last few because the series changes pace somewhat.
>>340103359
Contemporary definition says it's low fantasy because there is a relatively low amount of magic usage.
Ye olde definition says it's high fantasy because it's not on Earth.
