Why did they think that making you lose 50% of your matches was a good idea?
You either get a blowout win, or a blowout loss where you have 0 chance of winning.
git gud
>>340031109
The system literally forces you to lose 50% of your matches retard.
>>340031069
that never happens, I get wins when the other team is at 99% and we run on over time.
Have to make everyone feel like they are good at video games.
>>340031193
explain to me how this works.
>>340031725
Eventually if your winning percentage gets high the game will drop you in ongoing games 5 seconds before your team loses or match you up with shitters.
>>340031069
In theory its supposed to bring balance with even teams, but they don't realize that two level 12 faggots picking Hanzo and Widowmaker can only be compensated so far by the rest of the team.
if you win enough you will be placed in an impossible situation
i won like 5 games in a row on a new account and they place me against level 70+ 6 man premade (i asked) and my team consists of level 5 to 15s with a 2 man team lol....
game ended in like 3 minute full of steamroll and we lost and got spawn camped
>>340031069
Nice meme
>>340031193
>I'm not bad, the system is just forcing me to play badly!
Deal with it, that's how all ELO based multiplayer games work csgo/lol/dota2.
-Identify as soon as you join whether matchmaking has put you in a forced loss
-If so, relax and watch your bhutanese handkerchief knitting cartoon while you press W to avoid the afk kick.
>>340031193
>Someone is trying this hard to prove that they're not shit half of the time.
>>340031836
I have no idea wtf anon is taking about but if the game has an MMR system it keeps going up until your w/l ratio is 50:50
>>340031193
only an idiot would fall for the "forced 50% winrate" meme
if you want to be permanently matched against people of lower skill level, then keep buying more copies of overwatch to make smurf accounts with.
>>340032858
It's not about lower or higher skill
It's about being sent to a 6 man coordinated premade meat grinder.
It you look up the stats threads, you'll notice everyone has roughly the same amount of wins with the same hours of playtime.
>>340031865
>Win five times in a row
>WOW, WHY ARE THE PUTTING ME WITH OTHER PLAYERS THAT ARE DOING AS WELL AS ME?
>>340031069
I don't know OP, it's my least favorite part about the game. I have a lot of close games though. It's probably to make small children happy half of the time.
>>340032858
It's all but proven at this point that there is some kind of matchmaking system in place that tries to keep most people around a 50% win rate. You're not very observant if you haven't noticed this. Check masteroverwatch.com, and sort by highest winrate. About a few hundred people on PC have a winrate over 60%. The other 6-7 million players? Around a 50% winrate. Then feel free to look at the leaderboards showing the best™ players, and notice they have a winrate of around 50%.
>>340033338
The "best" players are found by the number of medals they have. This means jackshit. It just means they played the characters more.
Just look at this and you'll see why you lose
>>340031836
It intentionally matches good teams together based on mmr level to ensure that the vast majority of players will have about a 50:50 win rate. Unless you are extremely skilled or cheating, you arent going to beat the system and will have enforced loses.
People are hoping that the competative system will help this but it most likely wont.
>>340031069
Literally every matchmaking based game since the beginning of time. If bad players lost 80 or 90% of the time, they would quit the game and not buy dlc.
>>340031069
Most games with matchmaking does that though. You keep winning games until you end up in a bracket that where your wins and losses start to even out to show equal skill level or you make it to the top tier bracket. Whichever happens first.
>>340031836
Google world of tanks rigged matchmaking. First link will show you with significant statistical evidence how matchmakers can be rigged.
>>340031193
>days ago I was winning 2, losing 1-2 in a row
>earlier today I was winning 4-5, losing 1 because my buddy and I refused to be efficient
How about gitgud you piece of shit
Is Genji's Super intended as a joke?
It does NOTHING.
>>340033726
>world of tanks rigged matchmaking
Never heard of this, holy shit, it sounds really similar to what Overwatch is doing.
>-it pulls up the losers so they don't feel frustrated, they remain in the game as probable/real customers ($).
-it pushes down the good players.
>Why is this rigging?
It cheats anyone able to win more than 50% of the time out of his chances to fight fair, for the sake of the below-50%-ers.
Not fair play.
Yeah, that shit blows.
>>340033905
We all go on winning streaks and losing streaks, dumbass. Go check your winrate, if you have above a 65% I'll buy you a poptart
>>340031846
>enter game
>defend the payload
>match already started and payload is at 90%
>die then swap hero
>mfw victory
>>340034051
>Never heard of this, holy shit, it sounds really similar to what Overwatch is doing.
It's what most games do. Shit it's similar to what most football/soccer leagues do. As in you get promoted until you face people that can challenge. If you can't git gud, then you get shit on a bunch until you're relegated.
>it pushes down the good players.
This is what shit players actually believe.
>>340033995
EVERYONE WHO DENIES THIS POST WINRATE NOW.....
no if you always play ith 4 or more people it doesnt count
Im waiting.
>>340031069
>OW babbies discovering forced 50
they grow up so fast
>>340033473
DELETE THIS BLIZZ CAN DO NO WRONG THIS FORCED 50% MEME ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORRRRRRRE
>>340033995
Jump around and slash a lot. His super is great for picking off medics and other lower HP characters. Remember that your dash and reflect are still useable and get reset the instant you draw your blade, and your dash resets when you kill someone who you've dashed through, even if the killing blow is from another attack.
>>340034232
Battlefield 3 67% win
Battlefield4 72%win
Tf2 64%win
Overwatch 50%
If you solo q in overwatch u will always be 50% ish
>>340031069
Because most people view the win rate if games as how good of a job the matchmaking is doing. Too bad with recent trends this generally ends up making it a complete stomp on one end 75% of the time because it's easier to make than an actual matchmaking system.
>>340033473
level 87?
all his runepages must be full by now.
>>340034051
To play doubles advocate, there is one good side to rigged matchmaking. If you're really good, constantly winning easy matches is boring. Being pitted against equally skilled players is fun, and playing against better players is the only way to improve your skills. However, the situation is exactly as you said. You can make fair and competitive games without rigging matchmaking.
There was actually one game I played with fair matchmaking; Hawken. Hawken used an mmr system, but instead of determining teams by mmr, it determined entire matches by it. There were mmr thresholds that kept people from playing together. If I have 1000 mmr and you have 200, you cannot be matched with me no matter what unless you improve your mmr or I make a smurf account. However, this caused a major problem. The max mmr was 2400 and I quit around 2300 because I couldn't play with anyone. There weren't enough people at my level of mmr to make matches with, so I would just sit in matchmaking for 20 minutes, unable to find a game. Perhaps blizzard is afraid of alienating skilled players. Like >>340034232 said, rigged matchmaking doesn't actually push down good players. It just makes the experience random and unfun for everyone. WoT has a very toxic community. More than half of all users use a mod called xvm that allows you to view everyone's wn8 ratios. It actually gives you an estimate of likelihood to win the game. Some people gg before the round begins because of this.
>>340031193 could have stated it a bit more correctly for the autist crowd, but jesus how does /v/ not know how online team games / online blizzard games work?
>>340034232
You really believe that a system that forces everyone to be around a 50% winrate doesn't detract from the skill involved in playing the game? This is what shit players actually believe.
>>340034356
Your dash resets upon any elimination you get.
>>340034420
Fuck you, I giggles.
>>340034389
I don't know about BF4, but BF3 and TF2 have custom servers where most of their community plays. They aren't really a good barometer for anything.
>>340034459
That's what I meant. You don't have to try and get the finishing blow with the dash, as long as you dash through someone and they die eventually you'll get the reset. So you can use the dash to close the distance then slash them 1-2 times and be ready to dash again.
The only problem I ever have with Genji's ultimate is that it doesn't heal you to full when you start it up, so you have to be careful when preparing to use it so you don't start it up and die instantly.
>>340034421
Devil's advocate, Anon. You are playing the "Devil's advocate." Pretending to take a side one normally isn't wont to take. I do not mean this with any disrespect. Just trynna help a brother out.
>>340034421
In addition to gging and unsportsmanlike conduct that demoralizes teams and encourages players not to try if they feel matchmaking has screwed them over, xvm allows players to discriminate against "bad" players and prioritize good ones. Top players are often targeted early on with this mod, which is clearly a game exploit and cheating. Worst of all, people justify their actions based on stats. Depending on the match, your class of tank might be more useful for victory. However, some players will ignore you entirely if they think your stats are bad. This means you'll often be unable to work together with your teammates because they have already given up and are merely trying to get stats to boost their wn8 further. This keeps high wn8 players high while pushing down "bad" players, further reinforcing stat based discrimination. People joke about toxic communities because of assfaggots, but seriously, WoT is one of the most cancerous games I have ever played because of this.
>>340034568
Oh come on that joke is as old as diamond dozen.
>>340034249
Still waiting..... this pretty much proofs me right
it's another "15 year olds talk about skill in a flowchart blizzard game" episode
>>340031836
I'll try to explain it. Let's just pretend there are four tiers of players, A grade, B grade, C grade and D grade.
What's happening is that if your win/loss ratio gets too high (something like 65-70%) you'll start getting put into unwinnable games like 6As vs 5Ds + you.
It's not the same thing as you being pushed up a grade or something, because the massive difference in skill levels evident in the players you're matched with and matched against is obvious when it happens to you.
>>340034654
>Oh come on that joke is as old as diamond dozen.
It's times like these I regret never saving any of those goofy knife wielding midget pictures that float around these parts.
>>340034459
>You really believe that a system that forces everyone to be around a 50% winrate doesn't detract from the skill involved in playing the game?
It doesn't force anything. If offers you a challenge to evaluate just how good you are. Those sudden losing streaks are you hitting your skill level. If you skill were to rise for some reason, that particular bracket wouldn't pose a problem.
Personally, I'm at 55% winrate and feel like most of my matches are pretty even instead of stomps in either direction. So I have no real issue with how matchmaking is working for me.
>Win games
>MMR gets up
>loose games because you are not as good as you think you are
^
even if the game tries it's best to hide it from you
>MMR drops and you win games again
Why am I even here
>>340034768
The only way to get around this is to always premade with 5 or more
This is why most streamers have 60-70 and solo q good players 50-59
>>340034838
The only issue with this is that ow is a team based game, so individual skill cannot compensate for everything. If this wasn't the case, then the best players would have near 100% win rates. Despite that, even for the best players, it tops off around 65% for pubs.
>>340031069
maybe its the reverse, its keeping 50% because with current OP skill it can dip to 20% lose rate
>inb4 its not my fault, its the game!
>>340034996
>The only issue with this is that ow is a team based game, so individual skill cannot compensate for everything.
Team coordination is a skill. Top tier teams in any kind of competition isn't just a bunch of lone wolf super stars. If you get a team you gel with, that particular skill goes up.
>>340033527
>>340033726
>>340034768
But this system will break down at the very top and very bottom of the ladder, where they can't match you against enough better/worse players.
Having a 50% win ratio while on the middle of the ladder is a good thing, it means that you're always matched correctly. If you want to dominate the game you have to dominate the whole ladder, not the noob league.Get Good
>>340034859
>>340035032
This, really.
It's not the game's fault that you're literally just mediocre.
Or do you really think that you are the real shit that should have 80% winrate ez?
>>340034249
my genji winrate is around 50%, I'm pretty shit with him though
>>340034973
>This is why most streamers have 60-70 and solo q good players 50-59
If they are actually good, a solo q player can reach brackets where premades generally rule.
>>340035126
That's dependent on something you can't control though. You can't "gel" with bad players, nor can you pick good teammates in random public matches. The worst player in the world wouldn't become the best just because his teammates work well with him. There are individual components of skill such as movement and aiming that teamwork cannot ease.
I have a flawless 51% win-rate.
Good job, Blizzard.
I seriously doubt this forced 50 meme is true, but since this Blizzard and they got pretty fucking indulgent lately I wouldn't be surprised if it turned to be true.
Won 6 games in a row last night not including the follow up matches where you switch sides on payload so I'd say about 8-10.
I thought I beat the system and then I kept on being thrown into premade games of lvl 80-100 where the premade portion of my team kept abusing us in chat and the other team was a full premade fuckfest. After the game I left and played a brawl game and returned and got thrown in again with the same lvl 80-100s. I'm only a lvl 19 in comparison.
I don't mind the challenge but it just seems fucked to go against a full on group who will win most attacks by pressing q together while yours can barely group up or stop blaming one another.
Have fun with the shit matchmaking and going nowhere ranking you just pay 40$ for a game mm and a ranking that blizzard already release fro free years ago its called Heroes of the storm
>you stupid and you deserve to suffer
>Enjoy
>>340035403
What a game.
I just checked I have around 50% with all characters
mei beeing the lowest with 47% and mercy the highest with 54%
>>340035259
>You can't "gel" with bad players, nor can you pick good teammates in random public matches.
You can attempt to communicate with the "bad player" to help them to try to be better or shuffle the team's makeup to cover the bad player. Like a bad reaper can sometimes be made to preform better with the help of the presence of a Winston. Get clever.
Or you can get a static team where you can improve cohesion. Its up to you.
>>340035137
It doesn't break down at all. You can gift wins or losses as you please. And 50% does not mean always matched correctly at all.
>>340035579
I have 70% with Lucio, Mercy, and Torb (who I mainly play on attacks). I'm around 50% because I don't always play them and make attempts to improve with characters I'm shit at.
>>340035403
>>340035549
You must have been cheating
>>340035638
"gift"? What does that mean in the context of a multiplayer game? Either they manage to find a team bad enough to lose against you or they don't.
I have yet to win a match.
>>340035680
yeah thats what I thought
next time I play with a character I havent even touched yet I just get my 1 or 2 wins and then quit forever with him so I have a 100% winrate with that character just for bragging
>>340035727
>Either they manage to find a team bad enough to lose against you or they don't.
Have you even fucking played a multiplayer game? EVER?
>>340035829
So you have no argument? Ok.
>>340031193
Learn how matchmaking works Anon. If you were better, it's easy to hit a Win-rate over 55% if you are able to aim worth a damn and have at least 1-2 teammates. the "forced-50" meme is simply people frustrated when they lose a match that they had part in losing.
I have a 52.5% win rate, my friend has a 54% win rate. I've had some times where we've been playing and we win a match and everything is great, then when it switches from attack to defense or vice versa it'll suddenly drop everyone from the match except us and re-instance us into a match where all our teammates are 15 and below against a premade 6 man team of 40+ players.
>>340035727
And they do find them because their entire system is set up to do it. Are you stupid?
>>340034420
I saw a guy in Prestige Level 40 today.
>>340035940
Right, and I'm saying that's a good thing. It's not "rigging", it's just being fair.
>>340035137
Having a 50% win ratio is good.
Dropping you into easy games and then dropping you into impossible odds isn't.
It's just changing who in the match is going to get steamrolled. I think it does a good job now and again but I've been in plenty of games on both sides where one team just walks the payload to the objective without it ever stopping and that's only fun for the asshole who doesn't realise that the matchmaking was off or the guy who gets off on stomping on the less inexperienced
>>340036017
No it isn't. Being fair is matching up people of similar skill levels to get even games, not 50% stomps + 50% being stomped.
>>340036081
>>340036090
I see, then maybe it's not so much that the matchmaker is rigged and more that it's simply bad.
They should average the win/lose ratio over a greater duration to avoid sudden spikes in difficulty.
>>340031069
>tfw that 17m point juggling on KoH mode
>tfw it's just first round
I actually was not even close to mad losing that after 3rd round
Honestly, the amount you take the game seriously is inversely proportional to enjoyment. Just play whoever you like whenever you like. If people get mad at you, laugh at them. If you lose, don't care.
>>340035579
Feels bad man
I was exhilarated by the game at first, but upon realizing my wins and losses are more than a little manufactured, it feels a bit empty
>>340034249
If you really want a pick my genjis winrate is around 70% but I think I kinda suck with him
I know this might be a tad late
>>340036223
I can only assume that this is the reason that ranked is delayed, because they still haven't figured out a matchmaking system that isn't fucked.
Should I quit while I'm ahead?
I don't want to Blizzard to make my Sunday miserable.
It might just be because half my game time I'm stuck as Lucio.
>>340036408
Overall win rate is the only one that matters.
I had a 85% or so win rate with Lucio at one point. I only used Lucio about 6 times in 30 mins and 5 of them ended up being wins.
Because someone over at Volvo realized that people will stop playing games if they continuously lose so they started giving a forced 50% ratio to keep shitters happy, and blizzard copied this
>>340036491
My overall isnt impressive
I play with people I know will cost me games sometimes
How to win in this faggot game
>Mercy
>Reinhart
>Bastion
Setup Bastion in a kill corridor with one, at most two, entrances. Reinhart shields bastion, mercy heals and rezzes if shit gets out of hand.
Literally win 90% of games
>>340036613
>Mad he can't counter this setup
Spam Junkrat grenades in their general direction. You'll break through the shield eventually.
Alternatively, this is one of the only times in the game where Symmetra actually excels, because her M2 can go through the shield and damage Mercy/Bastion for pretty good damage.
>>340031069
The fact it is impossible to lose as attackers is whst forces a 50% winrate. Win 1 team fight out of 10 and you capture a point. Takes high functioning retards to lose as attackers.
Game is stupid as fuck with matchmaking, I'm level 20ish and I keep getting matched into games with level 50+ stacks because I went on a winstreak when I first started playing with a few friends.
>>340036693
Mercy heals faster than your orb dps
Good luck trying to pull that shit off lol
>>340036276
I just can't take someone trying to shit on others to make themselves feel better.
I wouldn't mind losing if it didn't lead to assholes blaming one another.
>>340031069
I win most games unless my team is literally doing nothing or I'm playing against gods.
I don't think the people who defend the matchmaking understands: It's not about win ratio, that's just a symptom of the bigger problem: One-sided games. I don't mind losing as long as it's a close-fought game that is entertaining, but what is currently happening is that my team completely crushes the other in one match, then gets completely shat on next game, presumably because the game overestimated how good we were and in the interest of keeping queue times moderately low, matched us up against some overpowering enemy team (who are probably experiencing the exact same thing, they've most likely had a loss against an even superior team and is matched with us shitters now for an easy win, all so they can maintain that 50% win ratio)
So yeah, I really don't care about the win ratio in itself, but the matchmaking is clearly not very good when most games are so one-sided.
People just need to get good. It's a game of rock paper scizzors and people are picking mains. Gotta adapt
>>340036693
Eh, you can recharge your shield when junkrat reloads or when he dies/isn't spamming, it's not full proof but it's huge.
And like I said, with Mercy there and if shit does happen like Symmetra or Phara Q she can just Rez everyone and continue being shithouses.
Isn't that how every matchmaking works? You perform better and/or win, your MMR and winrate gets up, you get promoted to a better hidden bracket, you start to lose, your MMR and winrate stabilizes around 50. If you start to lose then you get demoted.
Jesus Christ, every fucking matchmaking system to my knowledge works this way. Getting above 60% winrate solo without premades is an achievement
>>340036693
>>340036906
It's a strong, basic 3 person combo. No single pick counters it because it's fucking stupid for 1 hero to be able to invalidate 3.
>>340036980
blame people for not being able to put up a fight
>>340036989
Makes no difference. As your play time approaches infinity your w/l ration will approach 50%. It's just how it works.
>>340036989
If you're aim is godlike, widowmaker is all you need
>>340036989
Show global stats. I doubt the game prioritizes how good your genji is above the global winrate
>>340036223
>They should average the win/lose ratio
No, that's exactly what they SHOULDN'T do, because W/L ratio doesn't say anything about the balance of the actual matches themselves.
>>340037079
Bodyshots are just as rewarding with less effort.
>>340034071
I recognise that face
>Start losing
>Leave the match
Simple as that. I'm not going to try if my team isn't. The EXP penalty doesn't mean shit. Oh no, I don't get any cosmetics? Boo fucking hoo.
>>340037153
you can provide the sauce
>>340035137
No it means if you're doing well as an individual, you'll be permanently matched to idiots.
>>340037079
That's the thing, my Hanzo shits on my widowmaker. I couldn't play her if my life depended on it
>>340037086
Nah you right, I play certain heroes when I play with my friends because most of them are kinda below average and why not get decent with more, and then I play other heroes (mostly Hanzo Reaper and Torb) when I want to win
>>340037228
The penalty stacks
>join a game
>10 seconds left to capture a payload that hasn't even been touched
>DEFEAT
>This happened 5 times yesterday
C-cool
>>340034768
become AA++ and crush the system, stop being so weak minded little bitch
>>340037317
>Oh no, I don't get any cosmetics? Boo fucking hoo.
>>340037346
>Join game
>Now arriving at
>DEFEAT
>Play of the game is 0 as 0 because the game hasn't even had time to load up the players in the match
>>340037397
You'll need the coins for future character unlocks
>Caring about win percentage in this bullshit unskilled party game
Absolutely pathetic.
>>340037020
Read the thread. The problem is not the win ratio, it's the fact that they enforce that by pitting you in either extremely favorable or unfavorable games, instead of just closely matched games at all times.
>>340037059
I'm not sure what you're getting at.
>>340037464
>(You)
This is what you were looking for, right?
>get queued up with a Level 10 Genji that can't play his class for shit
>Tell him to switch to McCreed or some other shitter proof class
>Doesn't even take notice
>>340037262
could take a while I dont remember that name
it was a weird femdom thing tho
>>340031069
>match is 20's and 30's vs each other
>win
>reinstancing
>my team is 20's and 30's other team is a premade of prestiges
>we lose in under a minute on volskaya industries
it's skill based match making we swear
>>340037474
no system can create good players
it can only deal cards it is given
>>340037310
>my Hanzo shits on my widowmaker
Arrows have a much larger hitbox than hitscan weapons, so it's easier to get headshots, etc. as long as you account for travel time and drop.
>>340037472
It's not about win percentage, it's about matches where one side just demolishes the other without effort. That's no fun for either side, and happens way too often.
>>340037472
I don't think anyone cares about the win percentage
I think they are annoyed that once you win it stacks you against people with dozens of hours more than you just so you lose
>>340037567
I immediately block anyone who tryhards in quick-play. Can't wait for ranked mode so I don't have to play with these annoying shitters. Even against bots people will complain about composition.
>>340037086
The thing is, I'm sure with whatever ranked system they add I could climb it pretty easily at this point because I do put in work every game.
It's only like 1 game every 3 days that I feel like I actually contributed nothing to the match.
>>340037079
And that's the thing that bothers me. McFree and Widow are on a league of their own, with the fact that McFree's combo does potentially 865 damage, and how well a god tier Widowmaker controls the game.
Seriously if you've ever played with a great one, it's a god damn nightmare. At that point you pretty much need 2 Winstons to dive her ass because she'll be getting babysat by her team because they know she's the only reason they're winning.
>>340037669
It's funny how even with that, in the comp scene he's got some 5% pick rate compared to Widows 55%ish
>>340037641
Yes, that I can agree with. Your point? The idea is to match players close in skill (no matter if they're shit or great) together, and that shouldn't be impossible given the size of the player pool here.
>>340037685
Pretty much. I have had some great games that even though I lost in the end, it was really enjoyable. But the matchmaking seems to be actively working against those kind of games.
>>340037856
do not overestimate the number of good players in overwatch
>>340037669
>it's about matches where one side just demolishes the other without effort.
Shuffle your lineup. That usually helps for me.
git gud
>>340037705
>It's fun to fight 5vs6
I'm only having fun if I win. When a shitter Genji exist that can't kill anything for shit and have to carry his slack I will call his shit out.
>>340037937
Again, not sure how that's relevant. Would be nice if you could stop being so obtuse and just write a coherent argument instead of all these mysterious single-sentence posts, like you're some kind of asian hermit monk.
Are you saying that there aren't enough "good" players to go around, and that's somehow why the matches are so one-sided? You do realize we're talking about a game with millions of players, right? Even if percentage-wise, the good players are in the minority, since they should get matched up with each other, it should not affect the lower brackets at all.
Again, the problem is that some of those good player teams are suddenly set up against a complete shitter team, just because the shitter team has won against other shitters (or possibly even worse shitters) the previous game. I don't see how the availability of good players affect that balance.
>>340037996
>Shuffle your lineup
What do you mean? Exit and rejoin the queue? Or pick some other character?
>>340038298
>I'm only having fun if I win
That's not a very good attitude to have to be honest, especially in a game with matchmaking since it will be very hard for you to avoid NOT having fun 50% of the time. I don't mind losing, but I do mind one-sided games.
If you want to climb to the top and wave your dick play UT4/Reflex and play either FFA or Duels. Team based games will always leave you at the mercy of shitters. Even good players havr a shit day and there is NOTHING you can do. So take your 55 and deal with it or start playing premades if you want to keep playing mobas.
>>340038309
it is million players split across platforms, time zones and regions
every moment does not have free players to create dream games you want
>>340038406
Probably meant pick another character. Since most characters in the game have a direct counter, it's normally pretty easy to adapt to whats fucking you the most
With the exception of a top tier widow or McFree
>>340038406
> I don't mind losing, but I do mind one-sided games.
I don't mind really losing either if both teams are playing well. But it's the one-sided bullshit that annoys me incredibly hard. 90% of the game is based on team composition and when our team composition is fucked and people refuse to change characters is when it brings the worst out of me.
>>340038701
I hear ya
I had some bs yesterday and had to deal with a double symettra double junkrat reaper on attack
Or any time i get 2 widows or hanzos, torbs and bastions on attack, It's pretty easy to determine how the game is gonna play out
>>340036989
>games played: 30
ye no fucking wonder dumbass. Show your stats when you have 300 played. It will be on 51% win.
how does Taimou have 66.5% win rate then with 167 total games? is this just some shitters talking about something they don't understand?
>>340039329
Wait until he has 500+ games. Think even I was on that sort of win percentage at that few games played.
>>340038818
I wish people would just apply themselves and try to work together to actually win instead of just wanting to play their "main".
I switch every single time characters when I realize it's not working yet no one else bothers to do the same.
>>340039450
I tried to main a hero. It got boring real fast. Guess some people care more about their world ranking than actually having fun with a videogame.
>>340039450
Just gotta find 2 other solid players
The people I play with I normally tell them when to switch if shit is going sour and 9 times outa 10 it works p well. We may not win but a close game is good enough from a shit stomp
>>340037568
please, if you could
>>340039164
I hate genji so the only time I pick him is when I'm sure I'll probably have an easy match with him.
Still though, considering 16 hours has my reaper at 115 games, I doubt I'll play 45 hours worth of genji this year.
>>340039450
>Ask politely for someone to switch a character
>They get butthurt all of a sudden
Go fuck yourself with a rake Blizzard
>>340039869
>Maybe 2 widowmakers and a hanzo isnt good on attack
>"Fuck you I'm just playing to have fun"
>We lose
>Fucking lv 90 on our team is trash, but I guess time played doesnt equal skill
>>340040048
see it as a higher difficulty :^)
>>340040075
see>>340040048
I told them to switch offensive classes because half the group being on defense completely fucked us over and that fat bitch Level 90 playing Mei told me to shut up.
>>340040407
Sometimes its just better to leave a game before it even starts if you see your team comp
>See this thread
>Pff whatever there's no way
>games played 270
>games won 143
>been on a losing streak lately
Holy shit.
Git guds aside, this skill based matchmaking isn't a new thing at all. You'll go on an amazing streak for a day or two, then the rest of the week you'll be stomped.
The best way to deal with this is to recognize when its happening, and act accordingly. Matched with retards? Play defensive and hold your kdr. Matched against retards? Go full alpha and push yourself ahead.
In other words, git gud.
>>340040973
>Git guds aside
>In other words, git gud.
Dat short term memory.
>finally get 5 of my friends online at once
>face off against a fellow 6 man team
>we get raped on King's Row Attack
>next round face that same team on Defense
>1 of my friends disconnects and a stupidly high level player replaces him
>we win easily
This system is fucked.
>>340040643
I haven't won a single match this morning due shit team compo. I've burned through at least 15 matches already.
>>340036090
I was wondering why it kept alternating me between matches against absolute shitters and matches against coordinated operators with their dicks' sights pointed directly at my asshole
The more I play, the less often I get even matches anymore it seems
>>340041176
If you find someone who plays at your level or maybe a little above or below you should send them a friend request
It beats playing with 5 retards and tard wrangling all the time
I have a 59% win rate. Is that ok?
>>340041493
How many games played?
>/v/ has no idea how ELO works
>thinks they can speak honestly about game design
>>340041539
78, I guess it's not enough to tell compared to others.
>>340031069
matchmaking is actually a lot based on medals
I more gold you gain bigger shitters it puts you up with. or that atleast my assumption after having multiple 5 gold games as reaper while having absolutely disgusting teammates.
>>340041598
Well how does it work then?
I'm expecting a post with at least 300 words since you're an expert.
I have a 60% with about 150 games played. So is that why i'm level 30 and sometimes despite the enemy team being 50 or above my friends and i run into teams that are like 50 50 70 80 90 80?
You faggots need to relax and realize that this "forced loss matching" is just their system where a team/player that is consistently playing well and winning gets put into a game with other players that have been doing the same. Unfortunately that means that if you're a newer player, you'll be put into a game with really high levels because your wins have basically earned yourself a game with better players because that's what the game thinks is better suited for your skill level.
Basically the game says "You're playing really well, you must be too good to be playing with these low levels, play with these vets." It most likely means you'll be blown out, but the game is trying to make sure each game you play is competitive and you're not on the winning side of a blowout every game. It's a little fucked, but I see the reasoning behind it. Just take the loss like a champ and move on.
>>340031193
>post yfw it's fucking true
>>340041783
Have you even played the game?
If you go on a win streak it puts you with brain dead retards until you go on a loss streak that counters your wins.
>>340041493
Kak you shitposting asshole
>>340041691
No 300 word posts here, my meme-master friend. ELO is designed to put you at a 50% win/loss ratio, which indicates you have found your level of skill.
Typically, you will climb over 50% until you hit a wall with above your skill level. You'll lose a bit until you come back down to opponents at your skill. It's not "enforced", it's just you eventually being outclassed by opponents.
This is why you have your main characters but play the ones you don't know sometimes. That way, you know your "real" win rate is that of your main classes.
But seriously, 100% of games have to be won or lost (or tied?). So the overall average win rate will always be 50%. You may as well blame the universe for the law of noncontradiction or join Edgar Allen Poe in railing against it. Having completely random matchmaking is far worse than what Blizz is doing.
>>340041958
But that's not what's happening here. If you win you're forced to get on a team that is predetermined to lose. The enemy team doesn't beat us in a fair fight, they're literally supposed to win the match before it has even started.
>>340031069
>really good winning streak
>no teams has genji all matches are close and fun
>suddenly teams have genji
>games are total one sided stomps
>team with genji always loses
fuck this nigger hero literally the worst shit in the entire game.
>>340034249
it always seems to float around 50. My winrate was actually around 65 three days ago but blizzard fucked me and gave me an insane loss streak for some reason
>>340042062
>If you win you're forced to get on a team that is predetermined to lose
>literally supposed to win the match before it has even started.
That's a shitter mindset, and the one thing holding you back above all else. If you go into a match tilting, you are already at a disadvantage
Of course there will be stomps on occasion, but how exactly are you "predetermined to lose"? Unless you have Blizzard's code to prove it, you are falling for the "I would be better with better teammates" meme.
>>340031069
Not true at all. I've had several matches where born teams are locked at 99% in a control point in overtime
>>340041882
Which is exactly what he said you turbotard.
The system gets to a point where you're matched against people who make you plummet to the point the people you're up against are like easy AI which then shoots you up until you're matched with the former again.
>People aruging that forced 50 isn't real
lmao
>>340043079
bane?
>>340031193
I still don't understand why this is a problem.
>>340031069
>get friends
>learn to enjoy playing against your betters
fight me you autismal shitter
>>340042752
Not exactly what he said. That could work if the level on everyone on their respective team was more or less equivalent, which clearly isn't most of the times
>Love playing Reinhardt
>Can't cancel his charge
>Charge pretty much the worst move he has
>His Ult is tiny too.
64% win rate on reinhardt ...myth busted git gud retards
If you're winning and losing an even amount, then surely you're being matched against players of your skill level?
>>340031069
>>340031193
i have nearly a 70% winrate, play with friends.
>>340031193
>>340031069
I've definitely had lots of massively unbalanced games. Normally I'd shrug off bad players because I'm used to similar matchmaking systems in other games, but Overwatch will regularly put a bunch of lvl 10 players on my team versus a full team of lv80+ players when I'm level 30
I win a lot, and I'm way better than the people "at my level" it matches me with, but anytime my winrate starts to approach 60% it throws me into games where none of my teammates can even sort of aim and at least 1/2 of my opponents are as good as me
In these games I get 3 or 4 gold medals with an average of 2-4 eliminations, so I know my team is doing absolutely nothing but dying and the MM clearly expects me to carry them regardless
Other games just have good MM that tries to challenge you, this game actively tries to force a 50% win ratio for everyone
>>340043525
I had 70% yesterday and got thrown out of nowhere into 20 matches that were impossible to win because people think it doesnt matter what hero to pick at what situation.
>>340043217
Because getting a win streak with a group of randoms and then getting reinstanced and matched with 5 window lickers playing windowlicker isn't fun. It also isn't fun when you're doing poorly and then get matched against retards with a godlike team and just steamroll them.
The goal shouldn't be to make everyone have a 50% win rate, it should be to make every match fun and matches are fun when you're fighting with people on the same level as you against people on the same level as you and the game doesn't do that right now.
I don't get it, if your win/loss is exactly 50% doesn't that mean you're exactly in your skill level? Like, statistically, wouldn't you win 50% of the time against someone who was exactly the same skill as you?
>>340044234
Maybe you should try reading the thread.
>>340041882
Nope never played the game that's how I'm so familiar with how it works, right?
Ever think that maybe you're playing well so the other team is going to be on the same level as you, and the brain dead retards are just being outplayed? Or maybe they were carried by their team in their last few games so they're put into a game with you despite being trash? It's not intentionally making you lose
>>340032273
Or just go and troll the match as Mei
>>340044305
It's just people notching about how they're out against higher levels, wouldn't that mean that you're doing well and it's putting you against better people to see if you've improved and are actually able to "move up in the ranks" so to speak?
>>340031069
But anon, that's retarded. My W/L is 65% and I'm a solo player. I win more than I lose and when I do lose its rarely a blowout.
Git gud
>play well
>expect to get grouped with people of my skill level
>instead I get punished for playing well by getting grouped literal retards against 6 man premades
This completely kills my motivation to play any further.
>>340031069
>people that unironically play in premade teams
congratulations on being such a faggot that you're afraid to lose in non competitive matchmaking
fuck you
>>340042174
Genji has one of the highest skill caps in the game. A good Genji can singlehandedly wipe out the whole enemy team.
Of course your average Genji player is a clueless shitter and probably a weeabo because cool android ninja.
>>340031069
>48.4% average win rate according to Master Overwatch
>44.3% win rate as Genji
I just wanna run and jump all over the map while shooting shurikens at people and reflecting ults back into people's faces. Is that too much to ask?
>>340044845
>my Genji win rate is higher than my average
I wish I had that pic of that otter that looks pleased because that's how I feel
>>340044504
Read the thread.
>>340044228
>Lose all day
>Finally get into a group that wins for once
>LOL REINSTANCING
>All your previous teammates are now on the opposing team and yours have been replaced by retards
>>340044710
Yeah, fuck people who have friends
>>340045089
If your friends are shitters it's even worse as you have to play with them out of social obligation and just eat loss after loss because they insist on "maining" d.va and roadhog
>>340043875
I know the feeling. I came back to Overwatch today, thought I'd get my win rate over 55%, but every single game has just been me, a level 38, with other level 30-somethings against teams that are all 60+, even a level 91 McCree, just to try and make me uninstall.
>>340045197
why the fuck do people main things they're not good at
The whole forced 50% is just a crutch to accomodate premade groups in the same matchmaking as solo player.
>>340045281
Dva just isn't good, period. I wanted to main her, but you just can't, she's outclassed by every other tank in the game. Thankfully they said she will be getting a buff soon.
>>340045437
i sort of hope winston gets a little buff to his shield or something in the next patch
i like giving squishy heroes the hot monkey dick but i feel so useless if i'm the only tank on the team
>>340045281
They think the character is cool or overpowered. Also they don't understand that switching heroes depending on the situation makes a lot more impact than individual skill. They don't understand that the "Dark souls method" of throwing your head at the brick wall until it finally breaks down doesn't work when there's a timer involved, but hey, go ahead and keep the 2 Tracers on the last point of payload maps, don't let me ruin your fun guys.
>>340045210
Same, if this bullshit system keeps up I'm probably gonna quit sooner or later.
Why does Blizzard think forcing you to completely lose against others is a legit way to make you play the game? The entire game philosophy seems to be like that.
Ultis for retards that can't play giving them a crutch to at least get some kills, forced 50% and bullshit like that.
of course your win rate is about 50%
it will be above 50% if your skill level is above than the mmr you are sitting at right now
as you get closer to your true mmr the win rate will get closer to 50% too
the only people that dont have this 50/50 ratio are the ones at the extremes
The extreme best players will have 60%+ win rate
and the worst players will have 40%-
>>340045636
thare is liderally no force win rat autismic fagbaby
>>340045698
Holy fuck read the thread. The thing people are complaining about is WHY your win rate hovers around 50%. It isn't because you are getting matched with players at your same skill rate, it is because the game matches you with teams that cannot possibly win or against teams that will definitely lose, depending on which will cause your win rate to approach 50%.
If people were matched with/against players of an equal skill level 100% of the time, no one would complain.
inb4
>b-b-but just play with friends
That doesn't solve the problem, that avoids it.
>>340045541
winston is god tier
but he NEEDS a healer support on the team, if you dont have one, its best to play roadhog or even rein. I prefer lucio over mercy in this, he can keep up with the mayhem better
>>340045698
Yeah i don't understand the butthurt, why isn't this meme in csgo too?
>csgo winrate is 50% when you hit your skill cap
>people and matches vary wildly even at the same rank
>get absolutely crushed following a win streak
>>340045903
Well, then i have nothing left to say
This situation of one sided games rarely happens with me, most of my matches are balanced
game's sjw shit
i literally prefer tf2
>>340045754
Regardless the system is fucked and doesn't work because a shit ton of people are experiencing completely unfair amounts if matches. The system doesn't treat you as a group but only as an individual thus throwing a single Level 90 character into your shitter group while the other group has all 50's
>>340046345
no unfair ur just fhukking bad lol
I'm at about 62% wins out of 200 games. It really comes down to counter picking and making sure your team mates do the same. I've had so many games that started out looking like we were going to get steamrolled, but after picking another character, I was able to change the direction of the fight.
>>340031069
I seem to be doing ok for the amount of games played I think. But then again, I'm a dirty Lucio main.
>>340046345
The level you see does not correlate with skill
He is there to give you a sense of progression regardless of your wins or losses
A level 20 player can be better than a 80 one
Your true mmr will rise quickly as you learn/practice the game then stall at a certain point.
This is why some games dont want to show your number mmr, if people stick too long in a certain number they feel they are not getting anywhere. In comparison, the player level will rise regardless of skill
>>340044845
>>340044958
>tfw genji is my favourite character to play but nowhere near my best
fucking sucks. I can either play him and have fun but be far less effective as a team asset, or play my best characters and win. Then i get moved up in the mmr and its even harder to play him because I'm matched against better players
>>340046783
Or you could give zero fucks, and play whatever you like because at the end of the day, we all play video games for amusement.
>>340031069
how could they even force that if they wanted? they have no way to predict how people will play and there's no random values they can screw with during gameplay.
>>340046645
>The level you see does not correlate with skill
You are fucking retarded how hard is it to understand that someone Level 90 will always be better than a group of poor saps being level 30 or 40?
Does it completely elude you that someone with more time invested will be better?
>>340046581
tfw penalized for leaving a match that is vs. a premade.
fuck you blizzard
>>340046893
>someone Level 90 will always be better than a group of poor saps being level 30 or 40
>>340031069
They didn't think that, but with their horrible Matchmaking System and shitty Map Design that's what they got.
>>340033995
How bad are you?
>>340046291
But it's nothing but tits and ass
>>340046893
There is something called talent in this world. Also, some people have prior experience in other shooters, they will adapt better and faster at overwatch while investing less hours
> Level 90 will always be better than a group of poor saps being level 30 or 40
Thats my whole point, its just not true
Its not only the sheer amount of hours you put into this game
Yes, the level 90 has a HIGHER probability of being better, but this doesn't mean he his
>>340046893
>You are fucking retarded how hard is it to understand that someone Level 90 will always be better than a group of poor saps being level 30 or 40?
You dont actually believe this do you?
Any anon who thinks matchmaking is 100% responsible of the outcome of the match is. a fucking idiot.
The game was clearly made so at any point of the match one team can beat the other. It was one of the main reason people disliked this game.
Three things to considerate:
1) Higher level doesn't mean higher skill. And higher W/L doesn't mean high skill either. There are many variables than can reduce the performance of a player. A Hero/role he isn't used to, the map, and most important, the other 5 players.
This game was made so there can be one carry. You can't win the game alone, no matter how good you are.
2) Heroes mechanics. Since there are so many ultimates that can change the tide of the battle, no matter how good you are, a well timed opponent ultimate combo can give them the win.
3) Map mechanics. All this fucking discussion about rigged MMR falls down because this game doesn't have Death match. All the map objectives require teamwork.
Also, is a game based on counters, and being able to change heroes mid-game.
TLDR: Git Gud. Matchmaking tries to out you on a decent situation, but are the players who decide the victory, not a coin toss.
And I swear fucking anons can't have integrity, first they say the game is too casual now they say they cant have a favorable W/L. Cucks
>>340036989
>Games Played
>30
>>340047159
You're an idiot and have understood nothing.
>>340046893
My level 40 ass has been playing FPS games all its life, compare that to some level 90 asshole whose gaming repertoire consists of League and WoW, and I'm probably going to wipe the floor with them no matter what.
>>340045903
Oh, okay, since YOUR games are close then the problem doesn't exist. Good thing you solved that.
Fair Matchmaking
>every game is a close one with players of similar skill having a tough fight against each other
Not
>You either cull people who play worse than lobotomized somalian pre-schoolers or get your shit pushed in by autistic cyborgs who exists solely for winning games.
>>340047159
Matchmaking pairs me with people that have never played an objective-based shooter before. It's easy to say Git Gud, but I am good, and I physically cannot play all roles at the same time to supplement the team.
>>340047142
It doesn't mean that he''s better but the chance that he actually is quite high. Having an entire group made up of 7-90's while you are sitting at 30 with the rest of the people has never not even once for me or friends worked out well because most autists that are that high are much better than your average pub shitter.
>>340047425
I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to say.
>>340047465
>Matchmaking pairs me with people that have never played an objective-based shooter before
How the FUCK could match maker possibly know that?
>>340047465
There are idiots in the opponent team too.
The only difference is that the opponent team can have 6 idiots and your team can have 5.
But that depends on you.
do people not realise that as their skill rating or w/e rises their games are going to even out to 50% or so
>It's a match where your defensive team still has the mindset of TF2 and tries to spawn kill/camp right next to the spawn entrance
>>340047596
Win/Loss rates. At least I think that's the fucking reason since most of them don't understand that touching an objective is the key to victory.
