>Guild Wars 2
All the money comes for the gem store. The only thing devs want to do is to make cooler and better cosmetic items so they can make more money off of the skins they sell.
They don't care about adding more dungeons, raids, events, or any other form of content because they can't make any money through those.
>Black Desert
Same as GW2
>Elder Scrolls Online
All the money comes from selling DLC. All of their income comes from making DLC "Quest packs."
The base game will never receive more content.
>World of Warcraft
All of their income comes from the subs. Every bit of their income is from people staying subscribed every month. They need to make the whole game good because that's how they keep people playing and paying.
>Conclusion
Subscription is the only payment model that will lead to a good MMO.
More or less.
F2P model games never last without the devs having to start going hardcore Jew mode just to keep the game alive.
Wow has both sub and jew store.
>>340025165
Things in the store:
Name change
Faction change
Race change
Server change
a few minipets
a few mounts
Show me how that compares to any other MMO's level of Jew.
>>340025450
You can also buy a level boost, bsically you pay to noy play the game you pay for.
>>340025769
only retards buy that, you can literally get from 1 to 100 in less than 2 days
its also fucking pricey, 50€ for that shit
>>340025450
>first 4 changes are just swapping a few bits around
>lmao $20 please
It's even worse
>>340025769
Leveling is a tiny factor anyway, and you can replay it...?
>>340022436
for WoW it's worse than that :
They don't live on subscription. Their income comes from the new expansions (50 €) PLUS a few month obligatory of subscription in order to clean the game.
They make the most of their money on the first few month of lauching. After that, it's less and less money coming because people end up their subscription over time, waiting for the next expansion.
So you're not wrong but i just have to add this : WoW survive through new expansion, not subscription. And this way implies blizzard to make new expansion faster and faster, with contents created faster and faster. Quality isn't what make them alive today.
>>340022436
>>Black Desert
>Same as GW2
Except it doesn't you faggot
They add new features all the fucking time. Not some crappy dungeon that will make every other content void and that you'll clean in two months.
Currently they are releasing their last class awakening weapons (new weapon types that completely change the class gameplay), naval battles allowing you to craft galleons, cannons and shit, and I forgot the rest.
Also that's the korean devs. The west devs are only messing with balance, not content. And they are reducing the RNG, which is a godsend.
The gem store in GW2 has always been fucking garbage. There's like 4 outfits that all look stupid and a couple xp boosting stuff and that's it.
Compared to the cash shops in other MMOs it's severely lacking.
You look at something like TOR and their cash shop has heaps of armor sets and weapons and mounts and pets and loot crates etc.
I find it hard to imagine GW2 makes any money from their cash shop. Not once when I've played have I been tempted to buy anything from it.
>>340026774
>couple xp boosting stuff and that's it
Oh man you haven't played the game have you
>>340026941
Not for very long no, since there's no content
>>340026325
>70% of the content in the game is a tiny factor
Blizzcucks, everyone.
I still can't get over how they went from GW1 to GW2
What a fucking dissappointment
>>340028049
Sounds like something you got told by someone.
>>340028049
Well lets just say that you can buy things from the cash shop that are sure as fuck not cosmetic, and are things that people may find beneficial or useful, so not boosters.
>>340028241
The games been out for 12 years. Leveling is fast as fuck with heirlooms, dungeon finder, and questing, and most people have already done it. There's literally nothing wrong with selling you a 100.
>>340029003
Is it buyable for ingame gold or whatever?
>tfw not only did you pre-order GW2 but you got a new PC to play it at max.
>>340029236
>announced in 2007
>came out in 2012
>five years of hype down the drain
I pre-ordered it and everything
>>340022436
You forgot to mention that XIV is dogshit.
>>340029003
Except there is a problem with it. Although it likes to pretend otherwise, WoW is still a multiplayer game. If a clueless 13-year-old jumps on, buys a 100 then starts queing for dungeons immediately of LFR a little while after that, they're going to be clueless or unwilling to learn since they're being told off for fucking up. It will hurt the run and the experience for everyone.
>>340025450
You forgot the part where you can pay 60 bucks to make yourself lv 100 which is max level so long as you jew out the money.
Bullshit
WOW's quest to keep players from hemoraging by the millions has only made the game worse thus far, they ad to make it borderline F2P just to keep investors and holding companies happy.
>>340029236
>>340029352
was it me or did it feel like the combat didn't really pack that much of a 'punch' because of its style? idk it's probably me being used to holy trinity gameplay
>>340023025
>$500 health insurance
glad I don't live in usa
>>340029508
For me it was going from all of the possibilities with GW1s hundreds of skills to just five per weapon
Shit sucked
While subscription MMOs are usually better quality because they don't have to spend all dev time on cash shop shit, they also sometimes get stuck creating bullshit mechanics trying to keep people playing with longer, grinder content that just screws the game over, WOW is a prime example, shit isn't even fun anymore, you just do the same fucking thing every patch/expansion since wrath
>>340022436
All the stuff they add to GW2 is top tier.
And they are adding stuff.
There are big patches with significant new content every 3 months, and smaller patches for everything in between every 2 weeks.
I'm not sure why you would come online and just lie like that?
>>340022436
believe it or not, its sign of healthy MMO, it means they already has established pop that big enough to fund the game from MT. They only did content update when the number is drop.
problem is they knew content update can be gambling, you dont know if the update make people leave or go back again.
>>340028270
same here, brother
>>340028270
They killed a great MMO
>>340022436
>All of their income comes from the subs
what?
shop mounts and pets, level boosts, server transfers, faction change, wow token
nigger
>>340033301
>wow token
they are basically subs, arent they?
>>340033598
Yes and no.
They function as a consumable that adds 30 day's worth of sub to your account, but if you buy one you're likely doing it to sell it on the auction house.
On my server, they're worth 48K gold.
It's literally buy an item in the cash shop so you can then sell if for gold.
Pretty sure Guild Wars 2 also has a form of this.
>>340034204
yeah i know, but it really doesnt matter since you cant buy anything worth for gold this day (except for carries sold by other players, but they are so expensiv, it isnt worth buying gold token for that)
>>340034793
Can't you guy mythic gear on the AH?
>>340034829
you are right, but you only get some items with the ah (like gloves, waist etc.) the good items like mythic weapons/trinkets/itemsets you cant buy from the ah
also they are expensiv as fuck, 1 warforged mythic gloves cost 100k gold in the ah
i mostly play pvp so idc about that, i have lots of gold because of garrison and the only thing i buy are wow tokens so i can play wow for free
My crippling autism and laziness prevents me from playing MMO games. If I'm not playing an RPG in the most efficient way possible I get frustrated.
But I don't want to have spend a month reading a wiki and forum posts to learn what skills to avoid and all the other meta stuff.
>>340028270
Man, fuck GW2.
If it was called anything else like money butt tan 2, I'd give no shits. But GW1 was great and GW2 is the carcass of GW1 being worn by a douche with nothing better to do than to live off the tears we cry every night at the fact he is wearing the skin of GW1
>>340028270
A lot of the people who worked on GW1 aren't at Arenanet anymore, it's literally all a bunch of SJW cucks now
>>340028270
I spent so many hours on GW1 and its expansions, and every second was a fucking blast, even the shit slum city in Factions was good.
I've gone through GW2 twice, did a little bit of WvW and it was just so bland..
>>340033598
no, it's basically gold-selling
>>340034793
>you cant buy anything worth for gold this day
you can buy pretty much everything
rare mounts and mythic gear
especially over the black market auction house
>>340026674
>naval battles
Like archeage style sea sexploration? Because if so I think I might play it
Anyone got a rundown on the status of the US playerbase for Black Desert? Seems like it was popular for a while but I heard it was ridiculous amount of grind
Content seems fun but won't matter if I can't get to it
>>340022436
Have you even fucking played wow in the last year?
>>340036249
>black market
you need so much gold for that, if you want to buy some rare mounts there you will need atleast 1million gold per mount
>>340028270
This image is legitimately physically painful, what the fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuglT9h2jlc
Its not fair ;_;
>>340022436
looks like you haven't played WoW since early wotlk
>>340036746
>you need so much gold for that
which means more wow tokens sold
which means more money coming in through wow tokens
>All of their income comes from the subs
jaja
>>340022436
>>Black Desert
>Same as GW2
Actually, they announced new expansion, areas and shit that are FREE.Unlike GW2 :^)
>>340037164
black desert is a trash game thoughjust like GW2
>>340037220
What's trash about it?
A relative of mine bought it and every time he talks about it, it sounds like full on sandbox game that everyone was asking for
>>340037393
it's korean
>>340037463
I was looking for a more objective argument. Can you elaborate?
>>340037393
Pretty much this >>340037463 It's full on grind for anything and everything, starting from the level, all the way to item and skill enchantment, which is the most egregious part. Because of course that shit is skewed, so have fun failing hundred plus times to get your weapon from +19 to +20.
>>340037593
>>340037463
he is right, its korean which means
>pay2win
>sexual bait (not neccesarry bad, but it gets tiresome to see everyone playing the same slutty female character)
>retarded anime style
>grindy as fuck
>good combat idea, awful implementation
>>340036594
>ridiculous amount of grind
Let me put it this way.
You'll first do nothing but kill mobs for at least 200 hours in order to get to max level.
Then, it's 200 more hours for a single level after that. You've got about six of these.
Now, you'll want your gear set. It's a random drop from a mob or you can buy it from the AH. Buy it.
After you have your gear, you'll want to upgrade it 15 times. Each upgrade is RNG. Every time you fail, it takes off 10 durability from that gear. So, fail 9 times and your gear is going to have 10 points of durability left. You repair it with gear of the same name. So, if your "+12 A Gear" need to fix the RNG fails, you'll use a normal "A gear."
Now you have a full set of +15 armor. Now you need you accesories. These are two earrings and an amulet. The best earrings are extreamly rare drops from a boss mob and the best amulet is so rare that you're better off farming up the 3+ million gold to buy it from the AH.
Once you have those, you need to upgrade them. Remember the gear upgrade RNG? It's worse here.
For each accessory, you need a second accessory to smash together. So, if you have "A Earing" you put it with another "A Earing" and hope that you don't fail the upgrade. You need to pass the upgrade RNG 4 times to have max power on an accessory.
Here's the kicker: If you fail any of these upgrades, you lose your accessory. They are gone. You're not getting them back. They go "Poof."
What you do to avoid this is fail on purpose. Each failure gives you a "Fail stack." Each fail stack is +1 to the chance that you pass the upgrade. Now, while grinding out these fail stacks, if you pass an upgrade that you wanted to fail, your fail stacks reset.
So, you've now played this game for 3,000+ hours, given your life to this game in order to grind failstacks, and you STILL haven't gotten a fully upgraded weapon.
Do I need to go on?
>>340037964
Holy shit.
Is it really that bad? That sounds like hell!
Why would you play this?
>>340038221
It's a grind game. There's always SOMETHING to grind for. It's for people that just want to turn their brains off and grind for hours.
The problem is, it's open PvP, so even if you're just out in the world grinding you'll eventually get shit on by some guy and his guild buddies taking your grind spot by force.
PvP is heavily gear based, so you can forget dealing with these kinds of people. They normally have at least +20 weapons and +15 armor.
>>340037810
>pay2win
pay for convenience in some areas, sure
>muh unrealistic body standards
>the same slutty character
game legit has the most extensive character creator in any mmo
>retarded anime style
there is nothing anime about it other than the black spirit character. European architecture and sand covered akbar cities arent anime
>grindy as fuck
yeah, just like the golden age of mmos
>good combat idea, awful implementation
I'm sure you know all about the combat from a youtube video becuase you clearly havent played the game.
Its not the saviour of mmos and it has its fair share of problems but it is incredible. Its pretty much the mmo "hardcore" fans have been begging for, until they realise that it takes time and effort the the games of old.
>>340037964
This is what nightmares are made out of
>>340029596
>500$ a month gets you the best health care in the world
>meanwhile with yurop's """"free"""" """""""health care""""""" you wait months for an appointment with an incompetent doctor at some run down public """"""hospital""""""
lmao americans am i rite xDDDD
>>340038221
>>340038453
>believing everything you read on /v/
try looking the game up instead of listening to some shitposter
>>340038526
What? How the fuck is what I typed out false?
That is exactly how you progress in the fucking game.
>>340022436
I agree, FF14 is better than all of those
>>340038526
Most of the stuff I find is in ching chong moon runes and google translate a shit
I don't find what he said hard to believe, reminds me of Archeage 2bh
>>340038719
its literally grind hell archage reskinned with arbitrary restrictions thrown in to fuck your life up. Avoid it anon, you know better than this.
>>340038696
Ha.
>>340033598
>>340036197
More like someone else pays for your sub, you pay him in gold. They get money for the month of playtime anyway.
Only thing i'm curious about, did tokens have any impact on china botters and gold sellers in WoW?
>>340039047
>korean archeage
oh trust me I know about their kind, Trion are some filthy motherfuckers and I'm sure the western devs are no different
But Im a sucker for boat sailing sims
>>340039096
same thing
they are selling gold
>did tokens have any impact on china botters and gold sellers in WoW?
yes it has increased the gold selling in wow because blizzard is now doing it officially
>>340029773
care to elaborate some actual evidence instead of claiming such things? i've been playing the game since a year back and haven't noticed anything significant added to the game, the one time year events are cool sure but that shit doesn't stay for long.
>>340028270
you remember the screencap about anon being mad at ME3 ending? I feel this way towards GW2
>>340039214
>make fake, digital money
>sell literal fake currency to people
>make millions letting them use it to buy more digital fake shit from a storethat doesn't exist
>make REAL LIFE money off of these fools
I will NEVER understand this mentality, I get buying games you don't technically own the license or w/e bla bla but digital content in a game like a GW2 pickaxe that makes mining faster or some shit
That shit aint fuckin logical
>>340022436
but wow is not good. conclusion, mmorpgs will never be good. no matter the monetarization model unless its ultima online.
>>340023025
>Actually needing to sit down and consider your finances to figure out whether or not you can afford a 50 cent per day expenditure.
Vegetable level intelligence.
>>340038369
>game legit has the most extensive character creator in any mmo
What is CoH/CoV, or any other superhero MMO to lesser extent.
>>340039606
dead
>>340039493
Stupid people are the foundation of corporations and empires alike
>people spend money of stupid frivolous shit like this
>ogm why do I have no money to do anything please increase minimum wage
I always wondered why guild wars 2 made me buy heart of thorns even though i already paid for the full price of the fucking game a while back.
I guess this is why you guys started hating WoW's bullshit faggotry with the forced expansions and whatnot.
Personally after getting to 90% world completion on Guild wars 2 i gotta say that i am really disappointed that the game doesn't reward such a feat. Guild wars 2 just feels like another shit eating mmo and ill probably quit
But hey at least there's and english patch for Monster hunter online.
>>340039521
I've been playing that "Free to level 20 trial" thing.
It's honestly really fun. More so due to how open the world is and how many people are around than the actual gameplay, but it's still fun.
I was having trouble with a quest because a mini boss was kicking my ass, so I asked some level 100 guy to come help me.
He, along with 10 guys from his guild, came and just catastrophically nuked the fucker from orbit all at once. Even did a "Countdown to assfucking!" and everything.
>>340039606
(you)
>>340039717
By the time WoW came out EQ was already 7 expansions deep. I don't really understand how anyone could've been surprised by the expansion model it has.
>>340029773
Are you talking about the content we paid in the expansion and we are getting every 3 months after the release?
The gem shop spiraled completely out of control, skins and cosmetics is pretty much what gw2 is all about: progress and endgame in form of looking good. And they release EVERYTHING in the gemstore instead. The gemstore churned more weapons and skins in the past 6 months than we got in the fucking 50 dollars expansion, how crazy is that?
They fucking delayed the rest of the legendaries we paid money under the excuse they are "hard" to do, but they can make a new black lion set every 2 weeks, that's fucking disgusting mate. If i could i would ask a refund on the expansion,i never felt so ripped off in my life.
>>340039682
With the advent of technology that allows people to sell stuff that is LITERALLY infinite in supply that they control I can see the future growing dimmer every second
One day we might not even need fucking families, just get raised by a perfectly programmed set of "robot" parents that lead you down a designated set of predetermined stimuli throughout your childhood to shape your malleable mind into exactly what they want with all the behaviors and environments in controlI need to stay off /x/ for a while
>>340022436
>They need to make the whole game good because that's how they keep people playing and paying.
>>340025450
>>a few minipets
>a few mounts
A few dozen. That cost more than the base game.
>>340039493
hearthstone is even worse
>b-but you have to buy cards in paper TCGs too
yeah, but you don't own any of these cards, they are all digital, non-existant
the servers go offline you have nothing
same reason I don't buy digital versions of games
it's one of the biggest scams
you are basically buying nothing
you don't have anything in your hand that you can resell
you might as well pirate the game
>>340040453
>non-existant
*non-existent
>>340040341
That's because the base game is only $10. (If you play with a trial account, you get 50% off making it $10.)
>>340028270
>Mfw my friend still says that GW2 is his favorite MMO
>Mfw he whines that "they ruined it" with updates, even though it was awful from the start
>Mfw listening him saying stuff like "it's the best MMO because they made it for people who don't like MMOs"
>Mfw he goes silent when I point out all the awful things about it then reverts to his normal state whenever it's brought up again
>>340022436
the only reason its this way is just because of the bad design philosophy behind MMOs in the first place
its because they're all just shallow loot treadmills that they even need to constantly keep adding more stuff for people to stay interested in them
>>340040453
>same reason I don't buy digital versions of games
Doesn't really matter with all these online-only games nowadays anyway.
Server goes offline but at least you can still look at your box.
>>340040693
poor doggo
>>340038462
>>meanwhile with yurop's """"free"""" """""""health care""""""" you wait months for an appointment with an incompetent doctor at some run down public """"""hospital""""""
Things that don't happen.
>>340040693
HoT makes me miss Trahearne
>>340022436
A lot of people don't know this, but the WoW sub is for customer service, not for updates. Updates are baked in to the cost of whatever expansion is the latest one. This is why they don't give a shit about giving it all away for free, as long as more people buy Legion.
I've you've ever wondered why most MMOs have the worst customer service imaginable, this is why. They can't afford it, WoW can.
>>340023025
all this fucking whining and histrionics. if you cant pay dont play
>>340023025
>$9 an hour
should probably buy his wife out of slavery before he even considers paying for WoW sub
>>340038462
>best health care in the world
>here, take these anti-biotics once a day
>are you sure it's bacterial?
>No idea, but you should take them anyway
>>340040845
online-only games I don't buy at all for exactly that reason
maybe if it's as part of a humble bundle and I get it for a buck and can give it to charity, but no developer gets money from me for that
>>340037964
That is a fucking blatant lie.
Achieving soft cap (lvl 50) takes much less time than doing max level in wow vanilla
Also there is something called forced enchant where you have to use more stones and you lose durability of item but enchant is guaranteed.
I don't consider myself a very interested player and yet i managed to make weapon to +12 and all armor pieces to +8 before hitting max level
I had 46h playtime on my character when I achieved soft cap which around 8-13h was some random shit.
t. someone who got instantly bored after soft cap
>>340041809
Unless it's how the game works(MMOs, team based shooter). But I agree games that are online only simply for the sake of being onlineor DRMand don't work without an internet connection are shit.Diablo 3 still hurts too much.
>>340022436
This is why I'm worried about Overwatch. New characters are what could keep the game fresh, and it's gonna be a LONG while.
>>340040453
electrons have mass anon
