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How the fuck has this absolute KEY TO VICTORY gone under the radar on this board?
Zenyatta turns the tide of every conflict.
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/W9tleyL.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
Like Symmetra, people assume they're only good for their support roles and don't offer much to a fight. Both are squishy but can deliver massive dps is done right.
He's WAY too easy to kill which goes against his role as a more offensive support. He's useful, yes, but he needs a buff in this health/mobility.
>>339987169
>massive dps is done right.
So can McCree and just about every other offense character can do this too, hell even a few of the tanks bring some decent DPS to the table.
Give him at least 100 more armor and 25 more HP and he'd be an excellent support.
As he is now, it takes next to nothing to kill him. It's really fucking hard to be offensive with him when 1 body shot from a Widowmaker / 2 shots from anything else smear him across the floor. Literally.
>throw orb on enemy
>charge up M2
>unleash anal anguish
Only thing that breaks the deal is if he even catches a fart in his direction he dies. Makes him hardly worth it unless you have a Reinhardt to hide behind.
>>339987786
>>339987926
I normally hang behind a rein-shield or keep a low profile until there are other fighters to draw enemy fire. He's not meant for 1v1 conflicts.
Just unlocked the Sunyatta skin for him. Shame he's so squishy. I really enjoy him.
>>339987595
symmetra is a trash damage dealer. Zenyatta can spit out tons but his heal is shit. Both need a secondary lucio or mercy to get a functioning team
>>339988704
>symmetra is a trash damage dealer.
Looks like somebody didn't charge up their weapon.
>>339987786
>>339987926
>>339988009
Just sit back. With Zenyatta you're supposed to watch the battle and place heals and debuffs where they will be the most effective.
I got a 10 kill streak with him the other day just by keeping my distance and staying behind my team.
Needs 200HP imo, but I may be bias since I like him to much. Won so many games thanks to saving dat delicious ult for the right moment.
>>339987926
>needs at least 250 hp total, one third being armor and another being shields
Obvious bait.
Report false flag shitposters for a clean /v/
>Friend someone from /v/
>we play a few games together, I get POTG fairly often
>he starts complaining that our zenyatta isn't playing mercy or lucio
>he removes me from the group
>he removes me from his friends list
but why
>>339989156
>payload
>overtime
>been a long fucking match
>trigger my ult right at the end, get the payloaf over fucking one last team push
>bastion gets play of the game
I wish the game had a better understanding of key plays
why does Lucio have more health, better mobility, and better healing than Zenyatta?
>>339988980
It's really hard to get hit by her right click charged.
Shit is slow as fuck, it's only good against tanks.
>>339989451
He doesn't hit as hard as Zenyatta.
>>339988980
>letting a symmetra stay in melee range for 3 seconds
i guess it's possible on console
>>339989451
and a smaller hitbox
it's because Discord is OP, so the rest of Zen has to suck shit to balance it out
>>339989335
>/v/ is autistic
Who knew. Although from my experience you will heal a lot fucking more and easier with both Mercy and Lucio, but Zenyatta can also shit out damage.
He's in an awkward sort of spot I feel, it's almost worth having him on top of a Mercy or Lucio at times since he brings so much DPS with Discord. I think they're a bit harsh on his health right now though.
Randoms lack the coordination for his ult to be the best it can be, and I am shit at aiming his left-click. It's really hard to also pick Zen on a team since you need at least Mercy/Lucio to support the team.
pssh nothin personell kid...
*changes character*
>Discord is X2 damage
>Requires actual teamwork, most of the game is still soloshitters who communicate 0 information
>Has 150 HP, so if he economizes on it, Widow just snipes him ANYWHERE and he's instantly dead
Symmetra is amazing in good hands, but as long as Widow exists with 150 damage bodyshots, Zen is a pretty shit character.
>>339989401
>reaper teleports into the middle of my team
>starts his DIE DIE shit
>pop Zen ult and save everyone from it
>PotG is Hanzo killing 2 people with dragon shit
>love combat medic playstyle
>mfw fucking Zenyatta
This guy was made for me
>>339990219
I love combat medic too, but man Zen can't medic that well when playing solo support and he dies really quickly. If only he had anything that helped his mobility, like Mercy can fly to people and Lucio can increase his speed and wallride.
>>339990219
soldier 76 is more of a combat medic than zenyatta
his heal is useless as fuck
>>339989992
Going against a Widowmaker is fucking hell as Zenyatta, especially if you have retards for team mates. Whoever the fuck thought one hit kill sniper body shots were OK in a """""competetive""""" game needs fucking shot themselves, Widow is pure cancer right now.
Yet somehow, SOMEHOW, most of the faggots who play her are complete dogshit. Fucking sniper classes attract the absolute biggest shitters.
>>339987169
>>339987595
Yes and yes. Zenyatta is a long distance headshot machine and Symmetra's auto target laser gets really painful really quickly
>>339990219
>>339987169
>>339990167
How the hell does someone get POTG with Zen?
>>339990405
I think how Sniper was designed in TF2 was fine. No escapes, ok bodyshot damage at 100% charge and his machine gun doesn't do as much damage as like every other character. Too bad Blizzard didn't look into what makes a proper Sniper.
>>339990405
I know your pain well, I bear the Ifrit Zen skin with pride, for one day, we shall rise up and become gods.
>>339990386
>his heal is useless as fuck
He needs to be able to orb 2 people or get some mobility, right now you're a sitting duck with the lowest health pull in the game. Nothing more frustrating than dying to a single Widow/Hanzo chest shot, a lucky Junkrat grenade or a single Pharah rocket from almost full health.
>>339990628
See webm
>>339989156
Basically choke points + discord + headshots + finisher kills
>>339990956
I don't think I have been as mad as I ever have when dying to a random Junkrat or Pharah shot as Zen, holy shit it's so bad.
I love zenyatta.
It's just most teams have a widowmaker and she is the hardest counter in the game for him.
I went widow to kill a bastion on LALOLIIIII and I killed a zenyatta the moment he stepped out of his spawn 9 times.
Nine fucking times.
He quit, and I felt really bad.
>>339991557
Balance patch can't come soon enough, but I know Blizzard will just change shit that never was a problem.
>>339989156
>not discord orbing
Glad he got a potg but if the person you or another team member is shooting at doesn't have a dicord orb and an ally doesn't have a healing orb you are a bad zen.
>>339991194
>>339990628
BLIZZARD SAID they had to change how it was for Zen, because any time he did his Ultimate, it basically resulted in a POTG, so it needed changing.
>>339991739
theyve confirmed so far
>McCree fan the hammer nerf
>some type of Widowmaker nerf
>D.Va hitbox buff
>Reaper teleportation color tweak
>>339991983
Knowing Blizz, I wonder if this patch is coming before or the day of Ranked.
>>339991983
>ass blasted babies destroyed by snipers cry for nerfs
>>339991983
>D.Va hitbox buff
I hope so. It seems weird for a mech to have a head hitbox.
>>339987169
Until a widowmaker bodyshots him.
>>339988980
The one that travels .01 mph?
He's okay but he's giga hardcountered by like 3 heroes that are in every game.
>>339992202
Widowmaker's damage is overtuned, you'd have to be a retard not to notice that. She shouldn't be able to do as much damage as she does and she shouldn't charge as fast as she does.
>>339992202
People have cried just as much for Mei nerfs but unlike hers WMaker nerfs are actually justified, Blizzard agrees
>>339992202
she's the TF2 sniper except they removed all of the TF2 sniper's weaknesses
>>339992202
>Guaranteed replies.png
>>339992348
just make her sniper rifle reload after a full charge. fixed
>>339991557
>>339991745
I wish blizzard would jsut copy the snipers damage and charge time from tf2.
70 damage bodyshots uncharged, 150 damagee headshots uncharged. 150 damage bodyshots fully charged, 450 damage headshots fully charged.
Up fully charged headshot damage to 600 or something because widow players will cry
Also, dear widow players, fuck all of you. Widow has the best sniper kit in any online fps EVER. It is pathetically easy to get potg as her and she needs a nerf harder than Mcree. You are not good at the game if you play widow.
in b4 a dozen butthurt widow players try to convince people they are actually good at the game and not playing easy mode.
Damn right I mad, no other character in the game instantly sucks the fun out the round like a widow.
>>339992318
You know her primary fire charges up damage as you continually hit enemies yea?
>>339992350
I don't know why people think Mei is OP other than her ice block having a short cooldown and it healing her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3vrtbgfaWE
>passing into the iris
>current year
>>339992514
cuz she's a 1v1 flanking character and in a game with little to no coordination she catches a lot of genjis off guard
>>339992202
>dude what if we gave an hero a retardedly powerful sniper rifle and also soldier 76s main weapon and a mobility skill and also one of the best ultimates in the game and 200 hp
>Super wide model
>Dies to sniper body shots
>0 mobility
>>339992695
>dude, lets make it so she has one of the only ults that doesn't broadcast it to the other enemy team and is completely global for yourself and your teammates
>>339992695
>and also made movement completely static aside from 10 second cooldowns so you can't outplay a skilled sniper by making yourself even harder to hit dude what a good idea I bet this game will last a really long time lol
mccree has nothing on this disgusting slut
>>339992790
it's announced shitter quit being deaf
I love being the motherfucking robo Buddha.
Fuck Widowmaker though.
>>339992845
How fucking loud is it? I was told she announces it, but it must be the quietest shit on the planet.
>>339990628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDC_Kp9Wrio
fuck off shill
>>339992879
>see enemy zenyatta
>go back to spawn and main widow till he changes
>>339992695
>dude what if we make a hero that has no counters aside from someone more skilled playing the same hero or double winston
>>339992943
>see enemy Widow
>discord her from behind Reinhadt's shield and watch a Hanzo 1 shot her
>>339993017
>dude what if we make her grappling hook have a far range and you don't even need to aim it
>>339992941
Go back to battlestillborn you cock smoking faggot. It needs all the players it can get.
>>339992845
Retard, it doesn't broadcast to the enemy team, it has an "audible range" unlike EVERY OTHER Ult in the game. If you're close, you hear it as a single line in French. If you aren't, you don't hear it.
>>339987169
>Want to play more Zenyatta
>Play solo
>Implying people play healer
>If I pick Zen people assume it's covered and will run away as soon as they see an opportunity to flank easy kills leaving me dead
>Have to pick invincible breakdancing black man again
Game needs more healers.
>>339993105
>Say that to my face fucker not beind that Reinheart shield and see what happens
>>339993330
>team picks Lucio
>go Zen
>Lucio gets mad we have 2 supports and changes heroes
I can almost never find an reason to play Zen
>>339993105
Because Hanzo cannot oneshot her without a damage amp.
>>339993330
We got the direct healer, the AoE healer, the heal over time healer and soon we'll get the long range burst heal healer, what archetypes can they even add?
>>339989583
Circlestrafe, my friend.
>>339993353
>something something harmony ult's away
>>339992496
You know most characters insta-kill her at close range, yeah?
How to fix zen.
200 health.
WAS THAT SO HARD BLIZZARD?
>got all 3 zen PoTG screens
>have never seen them once outside a menu
sadface.
>>339992915
Sometimes it's either not broadcast or is very quiet, I'm not quite sure, but I've noticed it in the killcam when I previously had not heard it announced, so it's either bugged or quiet as fuck randomly.
Also, Zenyatta is complete shit. He was unfairly nerfed into the ground considering just how strong Lucio and Mercy still are. Sure, he does damage, isn't that quaint? It's a shame that he's far from able to outperform anyone else in the damage department unless he gets a random charge gib from around a corner. He's the worst character in the game by a significant margin because outside of his ult countering a few others, he doesn't outperform anyone else at anything relevant, and so there is no real reason to ever pick him.
Symmetra, the butch and Mai are going to be called broken and all that jazz after McCree get gutted.
>>339989154
>just sit back
then you could just change to someone who doesn't need to do this and is equally as useful
>>339992915
It's way more quiet than others, most will shout it throughout the entire map, you have to be relatively close to her to hear it
>Enemy team picks Zen
>I go Widowmaker and kill him
>He never switches
>He only gets one ult all match because he dies so much thanks to me
Why do people like this exist?
How to fix Zenyatta:
>increase health
>decrease weapon orb damage
This way he's more survivable, yet that won't allow him to become a one man damage dealer. He's support, after all. His primary role is to debuff enemies, followed by healing, followed by damage.
>>339993514
Ranged single target res.
>>339989154
>Support sitting alone in the back
>>339993469
Not with a chest shot m8.
>>339987169
Ssshadduup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8DXE5Sx5m8
Can we talk about how invincible Zenyatta is on Hanamura(defense) where a decent Zen player literally becomes a god. The medical zone is literally three seconds away from the back wall of the dojo if he stays in the right corner, discording and decapitating with zero worries (as long as he doesn't stick his head out like a dingus) as bodies roll in. Put a Tobjorn or a Bastion beside him and its game over. The rest of the team can just stand around, smoke herb and sip tea.
I honestly feel bad for the teams that get /v/ shitters.
>hurr durr I'm 2 unique so I play Symmetra or Zenyatta I swear I'm helping I don't know why we lost
>>339992318
>>339989531
>He doesn't know that her primary fire gets stronger the longer it's latched onto people, turning her into a melee-range tank melter
>He doesn't know that the secondary fire penetrates shields and people, making her great at pressuring enemy Reinhardts
>>339993665
>have to be near her to hear it
>entire team gets a global wallhack regardless of her position
Pottery
>>339993719
>not landing headshots
Shit sniper.
Ignore the shitposting Widowmakers in this thread, I think I've only encountered like 2 good Widowmakers in my entire time of playing Overwatch thus far. Doesn't matter that Zen has no mobility, you degenerates can't hit anything unless you spam your shots or it's sitting still.
Meanwhile, Roadhog eats supports (and snipers) for breakfast and it's one of the many reasons that I love playing the fat piggu.
>>339989154
enjoy getting flanked by all the offensive heroes that absolutely destroy zen one on one
>>339993824
Roadhog is one of the best pubstompers in the game.
Too bad he doesn't fit into pro play.
I have the feeling he won't be seeing too much play in higher ranked when competitive releases either.
>>339993537
>Standing still holding M1
Learn to dance around your opponent
It's piss-easy to melt D.Va's and Roadhogs
completely agree OP, instead of playing an pharah i just use him instead for that extra utility. lets face it pharah dies pretty quick anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6-PWh_6c24
>>339993745
>Play Symmetra
>We win with a total shut out on Numbani
>Get Play of the Game
>claps are had all around
I honestly feel bad for retards who think /v/ is nothing but shitters.
>>339991983
The only one I've heard of is the fth, and dva buff, where's the rest of this shit coming from?
>>339993897
I enjoy Roadhog and Winston since they are more active and useful tanks, as opposed to Reinhardt being 100% reliant on your team.
>>339993596
He has a point but could not have put it a worse way.
Zen has the power to decide who lives and dies.
It is nearly impossible to lose a 1v1 if the enemy has a discord orb on them and the ally has a Harmony orb. Zens projectiles have infinite range and no damage falloff, so there is no reason to be within the enemies range.
But none of this maters if the enemy team has a widow. fuck widow and anyone who plays her. Hanzo players are cool, but fuck widow.
>>339993973
>Symmetra walks up to me
>Tries to do that autistic jumping around like a retard dance
>WOAH SLOW DOWN THERE
It's just too easy.
>>339993897
>Too bad he doesn't fit into pro play.
I welcome this, actually. The more I know about an unfolding meta the less I tend to enjoy a game just because competitive metas are anti-fun by nature, especially in a game like this. I also love McCree for being a cowboy but he had the misfortune of being picked up competitively and now everybody shits on him.
Rather Roadhog be left alone and not put in such a dumb spotlight.
>>339989992
>>Requires actual teamwork, most of the game is still soloshitters who communicate 0 information
Actually, that's why Zenyatta is so good in PUGs. As soon as a whole team dies, people start running in solo so Lucio becomes useless since they don't teamwork and stay close to him/you get close to everyone. Mercy, while healing or damage buffing, can't do damage on her own and has to stay close to whoever she's healing/damage buffing. Zenyatta is in a good middle ground where you can heal solo players and damage buff at a good distance while still providing tons of damage yourself. Problem is, his low hp doesn't help that playstyle, which is kinda dumb. Just 50 more hp would be perfect.
>>339993973
>>339993973
>>339993973
THIS bitch is secretly OP and no one knows it.
Her gun destroys people even tanks.
And she can have 6 sentries at once.
Put them in good places and they wreck retards walking into buildings and around corners.
>>339994073
>anyone
>enaging mcfree at close range without knowing if his flashbang is down
well no shit, sherlock
>>339994171
Just 50 more HP would make him OP like he was back during closed beta.
>>339988704
>Symmetra is a trash damage dealer
u wot m8?
Learn to use M2 and be more aggressive with M1.
It's like you want Reinhardts to live.
>Zen can get caught in Juckrats trap during his ult
This fucking game I swear.
>>339993973
Just started playing Symmetra, seems useful but I find it hard to justify using her over Lucio or Mercy,
>>339994185
She's not OP. She's just excellent when she's defending. She's misjudged because she's miscategorized as Support.
>>339993973
>Character's theme is Indian dancing.
I love how thought out these puns are.
>>339994276
For fuck's sake. ANOTHER dumb gimmick to Junkrat's trap to the list.
Don't forget it can LITERALLY EAT HEALTH PACKS
His orb of Discord is really good. The problem is that he dies so easily, and his heals aren't nearly as useful as other characters'.
One or both of these should be fixed.
Maybe instead of healing, his orb gives a heavy damage reduction to the ally, as a thematic opposite of the Discord orb? That might give him a bit of a different niche than the other healers.
>>339994251
Then change the power of his orbs, don't actively impede his playstyle.
>>339994342
I'd rather have a good Sym than either desu, he portals and turrets are OP as fuck for defense.
>>339994263
>10k higher than career average
yeah man thats a typical symmetra game right there
>>339987169
He is good against tanky characters but I wouldn't really use him against a team of highly mobile players.
>>339994342
Would that be maybe because Symmetra isn't a healer?
>>339994420
He's technically a support rather than a healer so that could work.
>>339994251
He was OP because his orbs weren't affected by LoS.
>>339994276
It says SPECIFICALLY that you can knock him away or trap him during his ult and that makes for a good counter in the ingame hints.
>play solo pubs
>encounter varied teams, lots of un
>play in teams with 5 friends
>encounter other teams picking the absolute most cancer setups that even if you win you had no fun fighting
>aimbotting widowmakers, double mccrees, meis spamming walls all fucking day while the team makes sure noone kills the meis
They might be playing better than us but the game gives them the perfect tools to never let people get any chance to get better either, you get totally cockblocked by certain setups done by the right people
>>339991983
where was the D.va buff confirmed?
>>339994342
I heard that Mercy/Symmetra can be a powerful combo. Keeping sym alive and boosting her already increasing auto-aim dps.
>>339987169
He needs 25 more health to be viable. Right now he is squishy which is good but hes way too squishy. Tracer is as squishy but she obviously has tons of escapes, mobility and the capacity for self healing.
>>339994545
If a team has no healer, yeah, nobody goes healer when I play.
Or if a team has Torbjorn already which it always seems to have, even some retard attacking as one.
>>339994445
>rather have a good sym than lucio
what, lucio is considered the best character in the game right now, the only character who would dethrone him is mcree because they both work in nearly every situation except lucio has more utility
>>339994237
>Symmetra walks up to me
>Tries to do that autistic jumping around like a retard dance
>Freeze her
>Taunt
>Headshot her with icicle
It's just too easy.
>>339987169
Yeah Zenyatta turns the tide against the team who's using him LOL!
>want to play as robotbro
>get bodyshot by Widowmaker
>all the other support people are more mobile/faster
>lucio and mercy heal better and have reliable ultimates
>Mcree, Tracer, Roadhog, Junkrat, Pharah, Mei, Reinhart, Reaper, and Winston all chew me up and spit me out like nothing unless I am the first one to shoot/discord
Who's fucking idea was it to make this character so delicate? Playing on pubs solo as him is the fastest way to a stroke.
>>339994342
You don't.
She's like Zenyatta in the fact that she's a secondary support but doesn't work well as your only support.
She's absolutely amazing at holding points, zoning (these photon blasts scare the fuck out of people and melting tanks.
Symmetra is a Reinhardt's worst nightmare, cause he needs to dance around her photon balls while defending his allies and it makes it hard as hell for him. + Reinhardt is huge so often the photon blasts will hit allies behind him who couldn't see it before it was too late.
Her alt fire at max damage does 125 damage. ONE HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE. That's a fuckton and while it's slow you can totally play around it, fire it around corners, in chokepoints, yadda yadda, it just melts people.
And her M1 does 120 damage per second at max power.
Yeah she is squishy, yeah she needs to get close for the M1. But she is the strongest sustained DPS in the game after Bastion. (her gun does double Winston's)
>>339994751
>Tracer is as squishy but she obviously has tons of escapes, mobility and the capacity for self healing.
I thought Zenyatta's entire health bar could regenerate passively in the form of shield?
>>339994276
You can also hook him with roadhog during it.
Shit's cash doing that and watching the rest of his team die because they thought they were invincible.
>>339993745
>play zenyatta
>having an absolute blast, blasting niggas 1v1 left and right
>game is really close, down to the wire
>just barely manage to win
>guy_on_team: gg, we had a shitty healer and managed to win anyway lol
>confused, thought I was doing great, check stats after POTG
>silvers in damage/elimination, <3000 healed
Zenyatta is super fun to play as, he's fucking ass at healing team members. Orb of Harmony's healing is slow, restricted to one player and requires you to babysit that player to keep it from being returned. He's only really viable as a secondary support and even then why not just go an offense character?
>>339994445
>I'd rather have a good Sym than either desu,
t. low MMR shitter
>>339994865
You have to not take damage for 3 seconds and then it takes another 3 seconds to get topped of.
>>339992494
Eh, I just play her as an assault with a sniper option.
Her venom mine is actually pretty versatile.
>>339987595
i'd dps her massive
>>339987169
You're right, he does turn the tide of the conflict. You know, by being the first one to get shot in the face because he's slow and squishy and isolated. That means less bullets are flying at important people. He's like a defense character, sans bullet sponge.
>>339994880
Even then why not go Mercy and Lucio instead of Zen, Blizzard is dumb.
>>339994849
>Her alt fire at max damage does 125 damage. ONE HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE. That's a fuckton and while it's slow you can totally play around it, fire it around corners, in chokepoints, yadda yadda, it just melts people.
Considering it needs like 4 seconds between shots, even a Lucio can passively heal all of that up.
It just tickles, really.
>>339994880
if a team really needs a secondary healer they'd just take a Soldier 76
Zenyatta honestly has no place in this game
WHO /revengeance/ HERE
>deflecting Pharah's JUSTICE right back at her
>alt-fire + melee + dash for maximum damage in melee range
>jumping around and making yourself hard to hit with anyone who isn't used to aiming properly
>25% movement slow with Orb of Discord
>25% damage reduction with Orb of Harmony (the 25% reduced counts as blocked damage for Zen(
Balanced?
>>339994880
I normally get 5k-6k healing with Zenyatta, you sure you're healing the right persons?
>>339993686
He just really wants to play Zen. It's probably his favorite character.
And you're ruining it for him.
>>339994865
He also has fuckall for mobility.
Shields can't recharge if you're already dead.
>>339993973
DESIGNATED
>>339993730
Isn't Hanamura his level?
>>339995069
Discord is already fine as it is.
A harmony buff is what you want.
>>339994185
>Put them in good places and they wreck retards walking into buildings and around corners.
Yeah exactly. She's only good against retards. Just like Zarya. Only dumb people fire at her shields
>>339989154
the problem is he needs a coordinated team
if any shitter assault class breaks through the front lines and finds zen, he's toast unless he gets help (and even then he's probably still toast), because for some reason he's made out of wet paper. widow doesnt even need to be next to him to ruin his day
he needs at least 200 health and maybe people will see more zen - it's pointless for a character like him to go down so easy.
>>339995193
50% reduced damage on Harmony?
>>339994865
he has 100 shields and 50 actual health
>>339995029
Because they don't do fuck all damage?
>>339995092
You're talking about a character that always gets up close (Tracer) who has a lot of mobility and a character who's supposed to attack from way afar (Zenyatta) having less mobility.
>>339995053
Well you are rarely alone that's the thing.
125damage a pop is enough to finish off everything that's not a tank, and allows ally to finish them off quickly as well.
She's a support after all.
>>339994880
I wish Harmony Orbs stayed on people who break line of sight. Not like in the beta where they were permanent but like if the guy you're healing is still missing health let the orb top him off before returning. Or maybe persist for 10 seconds out of LoS, resetting the count if they come back into view. I'm constantly throwing an orb on some poor schmuck with critical health and he'll inevitable break LoS before he's even back up to half and he'll feel the need to blame me.
>>339990167
hooking reaper out of his ult is the best feeling in the game
once did it to the same guy four times in one match, guy was tilted off the planet
>>339992639
Honestly, Mei COULD use a single nerf.
Her icicles should travel about 15% slower and have a slight arc.
>>339995219
>walk around corner
>enemy zarya fires her laser
>kills me in nearly 1.5 seconds
>killcam says she has over 90% charge
why cant people realize to not shoot her
>>339994185
she isn't op at all.
>tries to dance around me
>walk backwards and shoot
>trace can blink away
>reaper can go invuln
>winston can jump away or just fuck her shit up with shock gun
>reinhardt would just fuck her up in melee/charge
>76 drops heal and shoots
>widow hooks away
>implying she'd get to bastion before she was dead in .02 sec
and so on
>>339995403
Just stand in the grenades that junkrat is blindly chucking over walls
Free charge :^)
>people say Zen is a good second support
If you are having TWO supports, wouldn't you want Sym teleport or Mercy revive?
>Play Mercy with a Pharah
>Damage boosted direct rockets one shot zenyatta
I feel bad for enemy zenyatta's, they never live long.
>>339995525
Literally no reason to not go Lucio and Mercy on attack and Symmetra with Lucio/Mercy on defense.
>>339995062
>Zenyatta honestly has no place in this game
He's good at destroying Bastions and Roadhogs when other people won't even bother. Seriously, I'm surprised at how much people won't even try to kill them sometime.
>>339995525
No, nothing is better than a Zenny giving good discords
>>339987169
>Really want to play a lot of Zen because he looks fucking amazing and I love shooting his little orbs about
>Mercy/Lucio are straight up better
>>339995657
You say that until he starts dying to random attacks.
>>339995403
smart people bait enemies into opening up on her or an ally before they pop shields
its one thing to see a zarya or zarya teammate walk around a corner shielded and not fire, its another to think "hey maybe her shields down" and open fire only for her to get 30+ charge when she pops it
its great to be zarya vs a roadhog, keep an eye out for your teammates to get hooked and you have plenty of time to pop a shield on em and get a free 45+ charge just from that
>>339995719
I protect him
>>339994617
No shit. And I hate getting teamed with people grouping together because then I get played against groups that coordinate and fuck me in the ass. I lost a hanamura defense map in less than 5 minutes total today because they perfectly coordinated everything. Drove me nuts.
>>339995523
>my high noon is aimed at the whole team on anubis attack point B got 3/4 red skulls
>one of the is coming back into the open
>fire
>its zarya with her bubble up
you out smartted me this to, dyke
>>339989154
Then a single tracer rapes you. I play Zen a lot, his health is absolutely a problem. If you stay too far back, a flanker kills you, if you go to close you die to spam. Blizzard has no idea on how to balance these heroes when a sniper has as much HP as pharrah and soldier.
>>339995682
What would you want Mercy for anyway once Lucio is there? She can't attack when she's healing or damage boosting and when she damage boosts, it's only for one person while a Zenyatta boosts everyone on singular targets that change all the time.
>>339995319
If you're taking full teams into account, then this discussion becomes meaningless since like I said, the enemy will have a Lucio+Mercy easily outhealing your 125damage every 5 seconds.
>>339995823
ok? then u just flashbang & fan that bitch after you do your 420 ult
>>339995452
That's playing Symmetra badly though, she's not supposed to 1vs1 people although she is certainly capable to win against a ton of characters if they're too cocky to flee (Genji comes to mind, never lost against a Genji).
Where her M1 shines though is when it's extremely chaotic, then she can just backstab enemies and they'll be too distracted to figure out where the damage cmes from, and by the time they figure it out, you've got a pentakill.
I wish I knew how to make Webms back then, but despite it being laggy, it shows what I mean very well.
A team who values their Zenyatta is a winning one.
>>339995908
im not saying i couldnt kill her, also
>let me run into the point alone to try and kill one person against the entire other team
>>339987169
I got his Ra skin in a crate and it's so fucking good looking.
>"Death is whimsical today"
>>339996068
I agree with this, her M2 is just for harassment, but she shines in a chaotic teamfight where she can do absurd amount of damage quickly.
>>339995193
Harmony heals a lot very fast. The only issue is it goes away after a few seconds of no LOS.
>>339996068
>run around in the open
>follow people with your mouse
>kill everyone
kek get this trash game off the board
>>339996092
Same can be said about Mercy and Lucio and they don't die by being sneezed on
Harmony is actually really good if you were to add a chain heal to it. That is, It doesn't heal your target but your target and ANYONE NEAR THEM. If it detects someone hurt that is worse off than the original target, it jumps to them.
This isn't full on heal, but a passive heal at 50% efficiency.
Another thing it could do if it's not in LOS, it doesn't keep the chain heal and simply heals at a passive rate for the single target. (50%)
>go into game
>don't really do well with many heroes, so get scared to play them
>95% of the time nobody goes Lucio or Mercy
>I always end up going Mercy cause I can do well as her
Lucio is when nobody picks a tank, as he's pump it up heal can keep most DPS topped up, but will do shit all for a targeted tank.
>>339996068
>>339996170
I got a POTG in the beta with me walking around doing nothing while my sentries got me kills.
Wish I coulda saved it.
>>339994472
hmmm i wonder why a support class would have low average damage
>>339996068
>symmetra hexakill
>Her gun only even touches Zen and Genji
>>339994945
You are by far, the least cancerous person to ever play widowmaker.
I wish you luck, as I cannot think of a single time I have seen a widow on offense.
![91144da398b8c165a33c2523d38c51b5[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZTr2RiK.jpg "91144da398b8c165a33c2523d38c51b5[1].jpg")
Let's clear the air, is Poo in the Loo useless or just upstaged by better supports? I want to give her a shot but not if I'm going to die constantly and not contribute anything.
>>339996609
Touches Lucio as well, but I guess the rest is turrets.
Also
>nobody is shielded
>>339996743
Why would a non support by upstaged by supports?
>>339996743
her main problem is that she's classified as a support character
if she was defense no one would complain about her since she does defense really well
>>339996743
she's map and mode dependent. She's definitely not useless, but shouldn't be your main in every situation
>>339996849
>>339996863
>>339996904
Right that brings me to another question, is she viable outside of first round defense?
>>339996743
Symettra is a defense character mislabeled as support.
>>339996743
She's not a support, but a defense.
As a defense character, her usefulness depends on map and how skilled the enemy team is.
>>339996665
Well, thank you. As a whole, I feel as though standing still and sniping is using the character WRONG. He has an auto rifle FIRST and a sniper SECOND, and a huge chase/getaway, with a DOT to negate healing.
I will typically just 3-4 shot and headbang people, and then if it's pertinent, pop in headshots, since you don't need any true amount of charge to really hurt/kill people.
>>339997001
if your team is getting their shit pushed in on the second point enough that her teleporter really makes a difference then a defense character that can deal with large groups would be a more ideal pick
>>339992202
Anyone that has splash damage can counter a widowmaker with common sense. Find her. Peek out from behind a pillar or wall and just give short bursts of fire until you see her pop up, then back to cover. Play peek-a-boo until she's down. Soldier 76 is incredible good at this; Using those missiles alongside some steady fire whittles her down in under 6 seconds, or forces her into the open to relocate.
>>339997147
Alright, thanks all for the responses. I'll add her to my defense pool (which is basically just Toblerone and filling right now) at least.
>>339987169
Yeah, that extra charge for a kill he gives on body shots really helps things along.
>>339987169
>>339987595
>Aim for these two heroes
>They escape from me every time
>>339997147
>>339997256
Also forgot to actually respond to this, this would be assuming we already had a tank or two.
>>339997001
It depends. She completely FUCKS rein, but the issue is if ANYONE is paying attention, they won't let that happen.
>>339997262
I want Amelie to look disparagingly at me!
>>339997431
I was also planning on using her as a Rein counterpick if he got to be problematic, so there's that.
>>339997013
>>339996904
>she's map and mode dependent.
I disagree. There are few maps where the teleporter isn't a big help to the team, The spawn is often a good running distance from the objective and that's time the enemy can use.
Besides, her turrets are great for quickly sticking behind cover and slowing the enemy in the middle of a fight. That's why she has 3 queued up.
>>339997489
Yeah I bet you do, loser.
>>339997510
Here's how it works. Her M1 does more damage as it charges and is held down AND hits targets.
Not people. TARGETS.
Mei's wall counts, Rein's shield counts, Turrets count.
So essentially, you just walk at rein when he isn't paying attention or you ACT retarded and then as you hit lvl 2, you walk into him and around him. If he doesn't know about Sym, he'll just laugh at you and then panic as his health literally vaporizes.
>>339997548
There's a reason why she's only picked on A defense points in competitive.
just play symmetra and give your zenyatta shields
>>339997548
Placing turrets slows her down and makes her an easy target, however. Plus on offense you'll have less enemies moving toward you around corners, less opportunities to hit charged shots. And less enemies moving into your turrets.
This all leads to less teleporter uptime.
On the plus side, her orbs are uncontested at dealing with Bastions behind Reinhardts.
>Players try to do all Soldier
>we all lose
>There's a racist guy
>Clearly a Pol cuck
Couldn't even say anything back, pol.
>all D.Vas
>only me as Zenyatta to heal
>we completely crush the opposite team on Hollywood defense
>>339996849
She becomes support when she lays down the portal. Then she's a shield booster who only engages enemies when backing allies in close quarters defense, and also puts portals down to support the team not having to walk across the whole map to get back into the fight.
>>339987169
because the skill cap is lower than the tick rate in overwatch
>>339998761
dank memes bro
>>339990628
I got one killing 3 people pretty quickly then popping the ult which restored a lot of my teams health
>>339996269
They can't DPS like Zenyatta tho. And when he discords, he can kill squishies by breathing in their general direction.
>decent as Genji
>still feel like I'm not really contributing to my team even though I'm always trying to flank and be a general nuisance to the enemy
Being Genji is suffering in general. I've had some amazing games as him though, especially on KOTH since it becomes such a clusterfuck at times no one pays attention to me.
>>339993730
That's pretty much the case for Hanamura anyway, that your team has to be fucking retarded to lose the second point. It's hilariously broken.
>>339994276
>>339994872
All of this and zenyatta STILL can't outheal bastions deployed attack with his ult
I don't think bastion's damage needs a nerf, but this situation in a vacuum is ridiculous
>>339999294
Yep. Hanamura B is heavily stacked in favour of the defenders since it's only a 5 second walk from spawn.
How the fuck does one break post three torbs in Volskaya Indus.? Running pub groups is shit when we can't coordinate.
>>339999249
Just be an annoyance and distraction. If your team can't capitalize on that, then they deserve to lose.
>>339999469
That's what I'm doing but unless I'm in a stack with friends almost nobody will take advantage of it.
>>339992382
This. Whereas most of the classes in overwatch are gimped TF2 classes, Widow is a straight up sniper on steroids.
imagine if the TF2 sniper was as thin as a rail, had 0.7 charge time, had 200 hp, had one of the best mobility moves in the game, and was strong in close combat. What the fuck was blizzard thinking.
>>339992514
She shouldn't get heal from her ice cycle safe space shit.
What did they mean by this?
>>339999421
winston, symmetra, hanzo , and junkrat are good at breaking turrets
>>339999738
It's a 2s charge time bruh.
Her zipline is definitely not one of the best mobility moves since it's a 12s CD.
>>339987169
>Zenyatta can't heal for shit
>Too squishy
>Why not just be another damage character?
>No mentions of Discord Orb
>Get 4-5 gold medals in multiple matches
50% extra damage on a target is a pretty big deal. Zenyatta is hands down the best counter to multiple tanks.
Headshots almost one shot the lower health characters.
He's the only healer in the game that can heal from across the map and doesn't require babysitting.
66% of his health is shield, so you almost always fully heal if you don't get hit for 3 seconds and play smart.
He's one of the harder characters to play, but very viable.
>>339999961
her charge time is definitely 1 second or less. not two.
>>339997001
She hard counters Tracer, Genji, Lucio, Mercy, and Rein. If they don't have 2 or moree of those character on the opposing team, switch.
>>340000139
As a hardcore D.Va player, I fucking hate that Orb. It has gotten to the point that if the Zen isn't at less then 25% hp and I get orbed, I just boost away.
>>339999868
Objective B is such a bitch to capture, though. I'll try them out the next time.
>>339999421
https://youtu.be/pOlBcMLyqkk
>>339996131
I bought his Sunyatta skin. Shit is amazing.
Can look baller as fuck now while pissing off snipers and defense.
>Lucio as a healer
>Faggot never stays near the group
Why is EVERY Lucio player like this?
>>340000996
They had a Phara and I didn't want to put up with being bombed to hell.
>>340001195
Shut it. Imma gonna ride these walls.
>>340001195
just play more Junkrat and stop caring about shitter pug healers
>>340000232
Why even shitpost if you don't know what you're talking about?
Headshotting discord targets feels so good, I wish I wasn't so shit at aiming.
>>339987169
He's the 3rd best support, out of 4, so he should be under the radar. There is no reason to play Zen or Sym, as any sort of impact or stats you could achieve with those two would be outshone by the things you could do with Mercy and Lucio. Unless you just wanna fuck around and don't care about winning.
>>340001279
At that point your team is at fault if they're being shut down by a pharah and two others while the other half of the enemy team is playing bunker on the point. But you're still wrong for not swapping to Junkrat immediately when the enemy starts setting that shit up
>>339989401
Apparently they had to adjust how the system looks at Zen's ult because for a while he would get PotG almost every time because the amount of healing he did overloaded the system.
>>339987169
During the 25h I played of the beta I quickly realized how Zeny and Lucio in the right hands can be monsters.
And in not a OP kind of way cuz not everyone can use them well.
Zenyatta is more of a glass cannon than anything, but fucking Lucio can heal himself and jump around at the speed of sound.
