Find the Flaws.
Protip you can't!!!
In all honesty there's like a billion things to do with no reason to do them all
>>339939501
>unimaginative architecture
>cave after cave after cave
>easy as fuck
>>339939501
Too many to type out. Godspeed to whoever does.
>>339939815
>cave in the very center of the world
>no hills around at all
>once inside you see the cave has a ton of holes in the ceiling people could easily fall through
>no holes outside
>>339939669
Isn't that life?
Wow your right! There's so many mods piled on top that I can barely see any flaws at all!
no sequel :S
It was too perfect and set the bar for open world games too high.
>>339939669
>needing a reason to do "things"
what is: fun
>>339939815
>muh caves
>why are there dungeons in my RPG?
>>339940036
>cant name any
>"t-t-t-t-t-too many to type lol XDD"
>>339940054
>tiny autistic nitpick
>>339940157
>mod compatibility is bad
>>339939501
An ocean with the depth of a kiddies swimming pool, also shit combat.
>>339941179
>i only prefer a deep story with top tier combat like le dark souls
>Quests rarely grant you anything but gold or levelled items
>Final boss is a joke
>Dawnguard bosses are too easy (The ice lake dragons with mods and Legendary are actually challenge though)
>Dragonborn bosses are too easy
>Dragons suck without mods, even on Legendary
>Disarming shout
>No good reason to use shouts outside of disarm and main quest shouts; Hitting enemies thrown by Unrelenting Force while they try to get up is more efficient than using damaging shouts
>No lightning breath
Shall I go on?
>>339941368
>Wanting good combat is bad
Are there people alive who actually enjoy Skyrim's combat? Especially in comparison to shit like Dark Messiah
You just mash M1 and chug health potions, stealth archery trivializes everything
>>339941786
the combat is pretty fun if you use a combination of destruction magic and one handed swords.
Well no, I obviously can't because I uninstalled it after like half an hour.
>>339941786
i'm not replying to anyone who uses anime reaction images
>>339941786
>Intelligence below average
The irony of that image is beyond you, I'm sure.
>>339940151
It literally is.
>>339941996
>I'll just reply that I don't reply
>that'll show him
>>339941786
I find it kinda interesting if you go one hand+shield and never level health and barely use any armor so blocking and bashing actually becomes a necessity.
If the game was built into that it would be far more interesting.
Combat was passable.
Storyline was great.
Quests were great.
Perks system and levelling was great.
Map was great.
That's a lot of grates..
Dungeons were repetitive but varied.. the caves not so much.
Cons..
Weapon variation.
Enemy variation.
How's fallout 4?
>>339941969
>playing a game for 30 minutes before giving up
how's that ADHD treating you, kiddo?
>>339939501
You actually couldn't on release because the game crashed every couple minutes.
Top kek.
>>339942273
>Storyline was great.
>Quests were great.
>Perks system and levelling was great.
>Map was great.
Lol yeah okay kiddo
>>339942315
Triggered bethesdrone spotted
Quests are really uninspired and often only have one way to complete them. No spell crafting.
Those are my biggest issues with Skyrim.
>>339942537
>hundreds of books
>one typo
>HURRR GAME SUCKS TODD LIES
autism
>>339941949
>>339942195
These playstyles don't make the enemies any more responsive to your attacks, nor do they add any meaningful depth to the combat
It doesn't have to be super complex, but considering fighting is what you're going to be doing 90% of the time you're meandering through draugr dungeons, you'd expect a bit more thought put into it
In the end you can respond to any threat in nearly the exact same way, rarely is a stronger enemy anything but a bigger healthbar with slightly more DPS
>>339939501
I guess I didn't much care for the melee combat
>>339942409
>>339942273
I'd give him Map and some of the quests.
But storyline? What? Maybe a cool idea, but executed poorly and shit writing ruined it.
>>339939501
>Skyrim
>No flaws
It's universally known that you can't have both desu.
>>339941604
Come on, anon. U can do it!
Magic sucks. All of the combat spells are beam, bolt, and AoE of the three different elements. Summoning flame Atronachs is the easiest way to cheat the game, since NPCs aim almost perfectly. Other spells hardly ever see use.
Challenge: Post something you actually LIKED in Skyrim
>>339943205
nice shitty opinions anon
>Leveled items lists
>Same voice actors over literally thousands of NPCs, god forbid you find one with a "unique" voice.
>Uninspired quests in general
>Same dungeons, differing context
>Strangely lore breaking puzzles that children can solve. (The combination is on the key/wall!)
>Bad mashy combat
>Easy
>Meh final boss(es) + Dragonborn / Dawnguard
>Some quests have really bad writing (Thieves' guild)
>Can't destroy the thieves guild
>Can't kill children in vanilla
>The single worst beginning in any game ever
>Only one way to solve most quests
>Unbalanced perks
>Animals will report you for crimes in vanilla, so watch out
>So many bugs in vanilla
>Lack of animal pajamas
>Despite being called the companions, you will never fight alongside them in an intense battle as harbinger to avenge Kodlak, instead you just wipe some remnants out for some fortress like every other dungeon. Also, the Silver Hand are totally not renamed bandits.
>I am angry, angry about elves. No matter what you do, you never fight the Thalmor, likely to set up the next elder scrolls. Maybe a minor gripe, but still annoying.
>Some quests assume who you are and don't change based on your accomplishments.
>Also, the only thing you hear about you being the listener, the harbinger, or the arch mage is random passerby dialogue from the town guard.
>Town guards are almost psychic.
>The only way to resolve the civil war is to fight it, barring the speech options from other games.
>Some speech option fail even if you have 100 speech, cementing the "only one way to do this" quests.
>Stealth archery is godly and npc stealth detection is very iffy
Most of these can be fixed with mods, and Skyrim still remains my go to comfort game. The only reason I am willing to point this out is that I love this game and the adventure I got to have.
>>339943934
I liked the dark brotherhood, dawnguard dungeons, dragonborn black books, and the main quest first run through.
Scaling dungeons, Scaling loot, Although it completely btfo fallout 4 in terms of quest/quest quality, I still expected more.
Not enough hidden secrets, "Loot chests" at end of caves (also a problem with fallout 4), Exploration lightly rewarded.
It was a good game, solid 6.5/10, 8/10 with mods.
>>339943060
Okay then.
>>339943205 is spot on about magic
>The most interesting area in the game is DLC (the vale)
>Storyline is poorly executed. All quests consist of "Go here and get this" except for four of them, which all have you fighting one dragon. Two of those four are Alduin.
>Stealth Archery trivializes the game
>No wedding clothes during your wedding
>One ability and one passive per race
>Every character has the innate ability to cast magic, despite the ability being somewhat uncommon in TES lore
>Combat sucks. I'm not going into detail because everybody else already does.
>"I yield! I yield!"
>Cities are pathetically small
>Follower scaling is terrible. On higher difficulties, they become stronger than the player due to how they scale and how the difficulties calculate damage
>Slashing with maces
>Can only adopt, and only after DLC
>>339943934
Dawnguard was pretty good IMO. The vale was beautiful and the fast travel system they had was ingenious.
>>339943934
There's a lot of porn mods
>>339939501
Archery in this game was on point. The rest of combat is absolute shit.
Take best bits of other games and then add them on the good bits of sky rim..
Just cause stuff.
Dsouls stuff.
Witcher stuff.
Mgs stuff.
Borderlands stuff.
Obviously make them better while doing it :/
>>339939501
world building and consistency
storyline and quest
>someone assassinated the emperor lets not look for the killer, offer rewards on any info, no huge upheaval.
>Dragons are the op creatures that use to Rule the world gets beaten up by a bear
>What the hell was the big bad plan? to rule or eat the world then why was his dragons so unorganized?
>a huge civil war going on but no battles taking place outside of the questline
>guilds make no sense hey novice welcome o our secret order and congrats on being the new leader of our guild even though you just joined 2 days ago.
>>339942853
they did good with those deathlord archers, though. trying to fight those niggers as a mage is nothing but misery.
Save games become so bloated they cannot be loaded.
I dont think I've ever gotten to 100% this game because of it.
>>339943934
you can play as a khajiit or an argonian
The entire thieves guild questline is irredeemable start to finish
>>339939501
Its fucking empty.
I walked from Whiterun to Falkreath and i found a castle of rogue mages and some deer, with a draugr dungeon or two.
In Oblivion I found neat shit when i walked places, like a town of invisible people who were the subjects of a wizards experiment. It's just so fucking empty in Skyrim.
>>339941034
Its not that there are dungeons you mong, its that they're all boring and way too similar.
>>339945254
>hundreds of dungeons with varying architecture, layouts, enemies, treasure, puzzles and more
>WAHHHHHH THEY'RE NOT ALL COMPLETELY 100% UNIQUE, THEY REUSED THE SAME DOOR TEXTURE TWICE WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>339945365
>hundreds of dungeons with varying architecture, layouts, enemies, treasure, puzzles and more
Lol good one
>>339945365
what a nice well articulated and informed rebuttal
>>339942273
>repetitive but varied
>story and quests were great
>>339943934
Environments were top-notch. Markarth in particular felt like i was in the highlands
>>339945493
implying "muh draugr muh cave wall textures muh shortcut back to the dungeon entrance" is a well articulated and informed criticism in the first place
>>339939501
Worst guild quests yet. The fucking thiefs guild quest line had nothing to do with stealing it was just a personal revenge story.
>>339946574
Why would EVERY DUNGEON IN THE WHOLE OF SKYRIM have a shortcut back to the entrance? Why would EVERY CAVE look the same? Why is ALL DUNGEON ARCHITECTURE the EXACT SAME? It just doesn't make sense
>>339946574
but that anon never said anything about it you're just saying random buzzwords that make you look like you have autism
>>339939501
Haha
>>339946805
>*adjusts glasses* ugh this dungeon layout is breaking my immersion *snorts phlegm* i wish i had to backtrack through the entire thing like a real dungeon *inhales inhaler*
>>339939501
SHITTY quests, SHITTY writing, SHITTY balance and gameplay, dumbed down as hell
>>339947049
I knew this was a bait thread but i couldn't help but fall for it. Fuck this, i'm gonna play a good rpg like Fallout new vegas. Get cancer and die fucker
>>339946726
Bard's College apparently teaches you that being a Bard is about fetching shit in dungeons.
>>339947049
Yep, you sure showed me anon. What a clever and thoughtful way to rebuke my argument. Your hometown should be proud
>>339947279
And the fighters guild teach you about being a werewolf. Seriously that shit was retarded and forced you to become a werewolf if you wanted to continue the fighters guild quest line.
I actually really enjoyed skyrim because I enjoyed it for what it was. I didn't hold it to anything.
If people stopped stripping games down and instead played/enjoy them you would all be much less bitter.
>>339947279
>>339947392
>>339946726
and you only need one shitty spell to be a leader of the Winterhold Mage College.
>>339947279
And the Thieves Guild is about stealin.....oh w8 your guild is the one that got robbed.
>>339947695
You could join the Thieves Guild even if you completely fail the trial test run.
>>339941034
>doing the same thing over and over for no reason if fun
I believe the correct term is insanity.
>>339943934
walking around was kinda fun.
i like breaking games
mods
dragonborn
shoutsSerana
>>339939501
The cities were fucking shit
>the capital of all of skyrim
>only has like 20 houses and 50 people living in it
>biggest trade city in skyrim
>7 houses and 13-15 people
>biggest port in skyrim
>its just a shitty wooden pier
>>339947602
>>339947392
>>339947279
>>339946726
How would you improve the guilds?
>College of Winterhold
>Random quests that reward you with magic xp and scrolls
>Separate questlines for each school of magic, given upon reaching a certain level
>Main questline that unlocks as you pass certain numbers of school quests
>Quests are affected by what schools you're most advanced in
>>339948151
>you have to complete all the mastery quest lines to become the arch mage of winterhold
>>339948319
I figured that was a given
>>339943934
Throat slitting everyone and hiding in the shadows like a ninja. Only way to have fun with that shit combat. Well, archery is ok I guess, except when npcs do that epic slide even when they don't know you're there
>>339944225
>Every character has the innate ability to cast magic, despite the ability being somewhat uncommon in TES lore
This is wrong.
How have there not been ANY half-decent questioned overhaul mods?
>>339949173
Because the modders worth a damn that still bother with Skyrim only do graphic enhancers or porn.
>>339948151
>College of Winter hold is now more like a school
>The questions follows you and a group of students as you advance from novice to adept to teachers of a new group of students
>Have to fight a student that turns evil (The Climax)
>All sorts of hidden rooms and secrets in and around the college
>Large scale magic battle against a group of evil witches or hagravens or something
And of course, >>339948319
>>339949284
But it's not like there were any overhauls when the modding scene was still big
>>339949173
You need to do A LOT of work, like everything in the game is leveled and all the chests have random leveled items in them so if you wanted to level everything so the game didn't fell like dog shit you'd have to redesign the whole game
level scaling.
>>339939501
It has fucking horrendous combat and is dumbed down in every conceivable way from its predecessors.
>>339949936
Woops, I meant questline overhauls.
I'm talking remaking the guild questlines so they aren't complete ass
>>339939501
The world lacks depth. I remember the Ayliad ruins right outside the Sewers in Oblivion. You can go in there and read notes and diaries of the bandits and there comings and goings and at the end you fight a Necromancer with ties to Daggerfallthe game not the provincewhereas Skyrim its just empty space and draugr
Floatiest combat yet, least interesting world yet, worst voice acting yet, worst quest lines yet, worst leveling system yet.
>>339943934
>Some weapon designs like the Iron Sword
>TWO KEYBLADES!?
>Dark Brotherhood wasn't awful. Not Oblivion good but not awful
>brought back werewolves
>waifus/porn
>>339950498
Huh good question maybe you weren't allowed to fuck with the developer made quests or something
>>339951024
I mean people changed the Alduin fight, so clearly there's some room for things to change
>>339951210
People didn't give shit the answer than
>>339950498
The thing is that most people dont like "remaking" dev content, even if it sucks ass as a sort of principle of modding. If dev content cant be improved without basically remaking it from scratch you may as well just make something completely new instead.
>>339951369
Would it be difficult to do so though? I can't imagine it being too hard to do
>>339942273
>storyline was great
>quests were great
i.e. 'this is the only elder scrolls game i've played'
>>339939815
>easy
isn't that every elder scrolls?
The game is boring as shit and combat gets old really quick.
The dragons were some of the most disappointing shit I ever fought.
Basically as soon as you fight your first dragon outside the walls of Whiterun you have experienced everything that dragon fights would ever offer. They're all the fucking same.
And that applies to the dungeons too. They're all the same fucking shit with the same fucking design and the same layout principle that has a convenient shortcut back to the start once you're done.
The story is garbage and simply not worth talking about.
And holy fuck Bethesda seemingly entirely forgot how to make good menus when they designed this game's horrid interface.
>>339939501
Just remember, you asked for it
>70% of map is caves
>90% of said caves is similarily mapped
>most caves house draugr, somehow being the most common enemy next to draugr
>uninspired dialogue
>no real choices in the game, set story not an rpg
>barely any weapons, any "unique" weapons are reskins with an enchantment weaker than you could make yourself
>mary sue protagonist who can help everyone and do everything anyone has to offer
>even when you try to be evil, you can't
>most dialogue options are pointless, all leading to the same outcome
>invincible dog companions
>level 5 raiders will attack a god amongst men with the powers of the voice in full daedric armor
>terrible pacing, one second I'm escaping from imprisonment, the next I'm acquiring a mythic tablet of the dragons because why not you're an adventurer, right?
Tl;dr I can keep going but it speaks for itself, only saving factor is mods
>>339950498
Voice acting mainly.
