ITT: God-tier level design
You first.
DKC 2
>>339903758
hah, this was retro's first dk and it shows
what an average mess
>Everything explodes the game
>>339903758
>God-tier level design ruined by WAGGLAN
>>339903758
>not tropical freeze
>>339904431
They both have some god-tier level design.
>lets make a game where the character is extremely heavy and JUST out of reach for many platforms and when you land you slide somewhere
>and lets also make levels where the platforms coming up shake or explode or are very narrow and when you land, you have to jump instantly into the shaking/exploding/narrow platform!
>well just put the nintendo logo on it and....bam! everyone will call it a masterpiece!
DK really didnt deserve any games after the snes ones. And even 1 and 3 were lacking. There hasnt been a good dk game since the snes.
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>>339905345
Tropical Freeze made minecart levels pretty creative IMO.
The boss fights also surpass those of the SNES DKCs.
>>339903909
This is the true answer, also had the best music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYyMNXM8Kgg
>>339903758
This game sucks.
I can't stand playing it. I tried like 5 times, but it's fucking awful.
I haven't played Tropical Freeze yet
>>339906193
Same shit just with more ice and fire
>hated dkc3 ever since i rented it when it first released
>never bothered to complete it
>dkc1 and dkc2 are clearly 100% objectively superior in so many ways
>replay it a few days ago
>the level design quality is all over the place
>some levels are tolerable
>some levels are too easy
>some levels are ridiculously difficult on first passing
It's mind blowing how bad that game is compared to the first two games, seriously it is.
>>339905158
This. Personally I liked 1-K in Returns more than any level from TF.Both are better than the SNES games.
>>339903758
The levels in this game are all a scripted, boring mess.
Compare to the original trilogy. Once you get to the end of a level, you could go all the way back in almost all levels. You could explore them and find secrets at your own pace.
DKCR has a bunch of scripted shit that prohibits you from going back. This makes collecting all of the shitload of collectibles they scattered a complete fucking chore and everytime I replay a level and go through that scripted shit I want to kill myself.
It doesn't help there's so many fucking collectibles. Compared to 2 - 3 bonus coins and a hero coin in the other games, 8 pices of a shitty pineaple puzzle and kong letters counting for % is just too much.
Then there's the issue of variety. After the 10th beach or cave level I wanted to turn off the console and stop playing altogether. And the rehashed soundtrack got boring fast.
The bosses are stupid too and the overworld, which was lively and just as fun to explore as the levels were in the original games, is reduced to a new mario bros. style thing.
I really hate this game.
>>339905510
The boss fights are the worst part about tropical freeze
>>339906753
U serious mate?
>>339907695
I'm dead fucking serious
I was so hyped I preordered this shit and couldn't stand playing it. I wanted to cry.
>>339907627
Also the worst part about the SNES games, final bosses excluded.
>>339907971
The first one I'll give it to you, but 2's bosses are fucking great.
3 is so-so.
>>339904252
This
2>1>TF>3=DKCR
>>339903758
>DKCR
>God-tier level design
You just went full retard.
Literally every other Donkey Kong game has better level design than Returns.
It feels unfair because Returns has like 64 fucking levels compared to the SNES games which had like 40. So everyone will naturally think it's the better game just because Miyamoto gave Retro all the time and money they needed to bury the Rare hacthet
>>339909412
Why do you care if people like it better or not? In the end if you prefer the SNES games, that's great. I'm sure everyone likes a game/character/etc that isn't as popular and/or disliked in comparison to something or someone else. That's just reality.
>>339908617
I liked returns more honestly. The level designed actually flowed well and was far more cohesive.
>>339907846
>>339906753
Poor you, and your shit taste.
>>339905158
They're not even remotely at the same level. Comparing it to the gap between DKC and DKC2 wouldn't even cut it, the gap between Returns and Dong Freeze is just so much wider.
>>339912456
They toned down the difficulty but it's not THAT different. The themes are a step up but it's not like the cliff and factory were super generic either.
Music is a given, you know with David and all.
>>339904252
>>339908131
>>339913119
Sure nowadays but back then you had to put up with the fucking shitty wagglan until three years later.
>>339913119
This is the version I played. Had a ton of fun. If this is truly the worst game in the series then I can't even begin to imagine how awesome the other games must be.
>>339917714
it's far better than the Rare trilogy, which are pretty shit games once you remove the nostalgia and dkc2's great atmosphere
>>339918385
I'm sure glad all those explosions and moving platforms appealed to your ADD.
>>339918385
I played the trilogy for the first time 2 years ago and it was great, get fucked.
>>339903758
>ITT: God-tier level design
>posts 2nd worst game in the franchise
You for real nigga?
>>339918561
What's the worst?
Is it Tropical Freeze?
>>339918626
I'd say worst is probably DKC3, simply because it relies far too much on gimmicks in each of its levelsThere's no real bad DKC game, just some are better than others
I really liked how most of the worlds had a transition from the previous world in the first level, and the world setting gets more concentrated (or something) as you progress. Like how the factory starts out kind of dilapitated, overgrown and with daylight shining through broken brick walls. By the end, you're in the most preserved parts of it with crazy technology everywhere.
>>339918385
lolno
It's better than 3 maaaybe 1 but 2 and TF are superior.
>They couldn't get the roll mechanics right in either game.
You had one job, Retro.
>>339918561
>>339908386
It may be the worst in the franchise, but it's still God-Tier. The entire franchise is.
>>339918705
I wish they did more with the jungle encroaching on the factory. You only really see it in two levels and the rest are really fucking dark to see shit out the windows.
Tropickle was better.
>>339913119
>30fps
>>339918873
I never said DKCR was the worst game in the series, but I can certainly agree with you say that there's no real bad DKC game. I wouldn't exactly call it god tier, but it's high up there.
>>339918448
>all those moving platforms in a platformer!!!
rarefags everyone
I was dissapointed with sequels to this game. They were much sillier and childish in style and music.
>>339919491
DKC 2 was pretty somber mate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYyMNXM8Kgg
My problem with the Returns series is how soul-less it feels.
The enemies are generic as fuck
The artstyle is indistinguishable from other Nintendo platformers
There's just a distinct lack of CHARACTER and atmosphere
Best level design literally ever right here.
>>339919675
The penguins and walruses from TF already fixed that. They're a legit enemy army, like the Kremlins.
>>339919491
l agree
2d platformers featuring cartoon apes wearing ties should be dark and mature in tone
vidoe gayme is art take that roger ebert
>>339919864
Without the personality or unique design of the Kremlins
>>339919948
I disagree.
>>339919832
This is true
All hail Romero
>>339919697
>>339919832
lmao these posts reminded me I wasn't in a DK thread holy shit I got distracted.
>>339919948
The vikings were way more varied and interesting than the fucking kremlings.
>>339919871
But really..see the cover and see how it has more agressive tone to it compared with 2 and 3. Those animals are ready to fuck you up! And Donkey Kong looks very determined. In the sequels you can't even play him, instead you have some silly looking apes. That how i feel about these games. Please excuse my autism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0GhpHKOBEw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v18pEFQb3EM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcklfVCEAcg
>>339918760
People wanting the old roll mechanic must be retarded.
>can't only do a long roll where the developers want you to, and put a series of enemies in line to allow you to
The fuck is this shit?
>>339919675
I know right?
Literally NSMB.
>>339919948
The Kremlings only had unique design and parsonality in DKC2.
People seem to forget about the rest.
>>339919864
>>339920145
>>339919948
I think Jungle Beat had the best idea. It should be just DK beating the shit out of nature, other superintelligent apes and the occasional robots to indulge his lazy lifestyle. No Zootopia shit.
>>339908316
TF >= 2 > 1 > Returns > 3
>>339921287
No.
2 is the best. The art style lets TF down.
>We will never get a beautiful world map like this ever again
Why even exist lads?
>>339921416
I found 2 to be annoyingly hard.
And I know people will just meme, but I really think it's just badly designed. It barely ever throws you a bone, and the limited save system was just irritating.
But then 3 went the other way by being too easy.
I think DCK1 was the best.
>>339919592
>>339905992
Fucking nostalgia man, damn I miss playing this.
Another one for you guys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8zIaaU5i_Q
I miss old Nintendo.
Not trying to start a shitstorm or anything, but art like this >>339921416 is what they really need to go back to. That image is filled with color, but it's also bleak looking.
I played this type of stuff when I was a kid, and even now as a 26 year old that art still looks great, so why is Nintendo so set on using an art style made for toddlers. There's no other way to say it really, their new style looks so fucking shoddy and childish.
None of the games I played as a kid looked all that childish, so why do modern day Nintendo games go that route?
Again, not trying to cause a shitstorm, I'm just annoyed every time I think about it.
Part of me really wants to blame 3D. 3D is still fucking ugly. I've always preferred 2D, and even now I still love the aesthetic of a well made 2D game.
>>339922087
I bet it's Myamoto's fault.
>>339921672
2 wasn't really that hard, and didn't 1 have the same limited save system? If you go and play DKC2 right now I can guarantee it won't be as hard as you remember. They're challenging but rarely unfair.
>>339923267
This.
I mean come on, I'm sure most of us beat the games when we were kids...right?
I remember having a difficult time with both DK games back then, but now they're pretty tame as far as difficulty goes.
>>339921672
>>339923267
DKCR shits on the first 3 DKC games when it comes to difficulty, especially when you factor in mirror mode.
>>339922087
I agree with you. Modern Nintendo games look like they're filled with plastic toy characters and too bright colors (or to put it another way, not enough color balance). It gets kind of boring.
>>339923914
Mostly because of the retarded decision to make bouncing off enemies as fickle as trampolines in SMB.
>Press Jump too soon or two late and you do a piddly jump into a hole
>Levels are filled with enemies over pits
>>339921416
DKC3's map was comfy as fuck.
In fact that whole game was great, I don't know why it's considered so much worse than 1 and 2.
i agree. dkc returns has godlike level design. imo i has better level design than tropical freeze, because it has a better gameplay "flow" somehow. i also enjoyed the rocket barrel levels more.
>>339921416
yeah. the new artstyle is too cartoonesque and festive. it doesn't feel like an adventure
>>339923914
>DKCR shits on the first 3 DKC games when it comes to difficulty
>checkpoints halfway through the level
>balloons everywhere
>"let me show you how to beat this level you fucking baby" mode
No.
The only SNES DKC I played was the first one and damn, that limited save system makes it frustrating af
For the multiplayer specifically, though it has great SP missions tooa shame the weapon balance is so utterly garbage and as a result it doesn''t take full advantage of how good the map design is
>>339924051
That's really only true for Mario.
>>339921140
Jungle Beat will always be my favorite Donkey Kong game. Why more titles won't focus on his ability to punch the fuck out of things is beyond me.
>>339924617
Bruh, half of the temple levels in DKCR are harder than any of the levels in DKC2
>>339924262
>I got my ass raped by Bopopolis
Git gud.
>>339925321
the temple levels felt more like a challenge mode to me though. they're optional after all. the main levels are easy as shit for the most part (not denying they aren't fun)
>>339919675
But that's wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdIElhD1gpg
the only thing that I mind is that they didn't have Cranky as an NPC being an asshole
god tier levels
>>339923267
DKC1 didn't have the save coins. You could just go and save whenever. But 2 decided that saving should cost a semi-finite resource.
Shame about the glitches
>>339925068
You're right, I guess it just felt bigger because Mario is what I mostly hear about.
>>339919832
Perfect level design wasted on boring enviroments
>>339922087
>>339924051
Oh, come off it. They've had plenty of interesting visual design lately. It really only goes for the very recent Mario games, and even those have gone from being pretty cookiecutter to pretty great (seriously, you'll see endless hate on NSMBU by people who haven't played it while it's a pretty fantastic game).
>>339926220
>seriously, you'll see endless hate on NSMBU by people who haven't played it while it's a pretty fantastic game
Doesn't matter how good it is. The point is it looks like absolute shit.
>>339926220
Something about Wooly World puts me really off. There's nothing wrong with it but there's nothing that makes me go "Wow that's a cool looking level,"
Like there's safe and then there's wrapped in Bubble Wrap safe.
>>339926616
Did you feel the same way about Kirby's Epic Yarn?
>>339903758
Destiny. No I'm not kidding. It has god-tier level DESIGN. But they ruined it for the player by putting invisible walls and mission specific doors everywhere.
This takes quite a while to realize, but any given "level" (planet) has a ton of shortcuts and connections between areas. They just don't open them up except in missions, and one at a time. Additionally if you could jump over platforms the levels would be fucking fantastic and again much more connected. And these platforms seem to be placed there for that precise purpose, most of them are just the right height to get on top of.
The way the game is designed I am 100% sure it was originally intended to be much more open ended per area. A fucking shame what they did to it.
>>339925852
Remove Badlands.
>>339926616
Wooly World was a bizarrely fantastic game, considering the current state of Nintendo.
Every level was interesting and had a cool mechanic. The challenge levels were especially fun.
DKCR was alright but didn't hold my attention. I'm sure I would have loved it if I had played it the age I was when when I played DKC and 2.
>>339928357
Nothing bizarre about it since it was developed by an extern studio, like most of the good Nintendo games as of late.
>those supersonic fish at the end of poison pond in DKC1
