Will it survive after EVO 2016?
>>339863326
yeah
It will have the longevity of SF4, but definitely not the same level of popularity.
It has too many problems to achieve widespread appeal right now.
Anyone up for a /v/ lobby?
DEAD GAME
It's flourishing in the FGC so I don't see it going away any time soon, but if Capcom doesn't get its shit together the casuals will never latch on.
SFV G-
>>339863857
Oh someone beat me to it.
Sure.
CFN LordNuva.
>>339863326
Honestly it doesn't deserve it and i don't care anymore. i ahd so many problems just trying to play SF5 that i simply wont play teh game anymore.
>Buy it in japan on launch day
>No one is at akihabara to buy it, which is already a red flag
>On my way back sees a bunch of people trying to game and making strange faces, they really didn't like the game.
>Risk it anyways
>Very few people playing teh game online
>Find lobbies is a fucking mess
>ranked is a mess, players disconnecting left and right
>Sp is garbage
>The game is easier now but it is kind bring
>Tries my previous main Vega
>they changed him so much it is not even fun to play him anymore
>goes back to Brazil, my home country
>Finding ONE ranked match takes aroun 15 to 20 mintues
>can't find lobbies in my country
>friends who used to p-lay teh game a lot, some even on gold league, simply quit the game because it was too boring.
>Even when i do find some people to play the connection si fucking terrible 80% of the time even after i did the port forwarding.
The game is literally unplayable for me and i deeply regret buying this shit. Sadly it is the only fightan people around here even try to play, any other franchise is DOA around here most of the time. I hope GG Revelator is at least playable or else ill simply give up fighting games, at least fightcade has a playerbase.
>>339866538
>Lying
no. it's too simple.
hitboxes/hurtboxes don't matter. in 3s or 4 i could do stuff like alex s.hk or ryu/akuma s.mk to hit low limbs while my own legs hurtbox went over their hitbox, preventing a trade.
hurtboxes in this game reach down to the very ground on every move except for the rare hop attacks like mika hk or chun hk. so the only thing that matters for a char is the frames on startup and for how long the hurtbox stays out after active frames run out. this is why chun, karin, nash are strong as fuck. they can use their long as fuck limbs with fast startup and fast recovery all day and you're likely to lose every time simply because your moves have less reach and are much easier to hit due to hurtboxes staying out forever.
when i play alex in 5 and i do a hk, karin can just mash jab or cr.mk from 3/4 of the screen away and still hit me out of it. its retarded. you're gambling every time you stick out a long range poke, theres no strategy. you cant use certain moves to beat others because hurtboxes are the same all the time. just do your fastest shit and hope for the best
>>339867660
Lying
>>339863326
>Ibukis english VA
How come they aleays find the most unfitting voices for the dubbed version
evo make it $30, end of year make it $20, next evo make it f2p or earlier if its fucking worse
>>339866629
Not lying mate, the game is fucking unplayable around here. I've spent hours trying, with a groups of friend, to create a lobbie and play only 2 out of 5 people were actually able to play some matches without capcom's server fucking everything up,e even after we all forward ported all routers. I even went to SFG on /vg/ to see if it was only with me and my friends but the dude from there had the same problems.
>>339863326
>surviving after evo caters to smashkids
>>339867660
>you cant use certain moves to beat others
Sorry mate, i kind of agree with some stuff but that is what counters are for. I kinda hate that vega has shitty normals though.
>>339869004
they're not counters though. literally every move works against every move (with the exception of the very few hops that actually raise the chars hurtbox)
every single button can hit every other button. you can stop an attack with jab, with sweep, with whatever you want. you just have to get lucky and get your active frames first.
thats why ryus mash s.mp. it hits everything
thats why chun mashes s.mk. it hits everything
thats why karin mashes mp and hk. and all these buttons are unpunishable. you can know they're coming and theres not a single thing you can do to punish them except gamble on when exactly they will come out. then you press your button 3 frames too early and eat a s.mp super because theres no way around these moves. there is no counter, only a gamble
>>339863326
of course
It will survive until the end of the year because sony already paid capcom 500 million dollaroos.
Who knows what will happen after that.
>>339866538
This guy knows his shit
It will survive until SF6.
Even if it's a shit game people stop playing the previous games permanently when the new iteration drops and will stop playinh it only when the next one drops. It's what happened to every street fighter series since 2.
>>339866538
i am also from Brazil and i get stable matches 80% of the time, and matchmaking usually takes around 1 to 2 minutes.
>>339863326
no
>>339870923
Same here, that guy is full of shit.
>>339863326
EVO yes. The end of this yeas CPT I don't know. At the moment it is definitely riding the high of having new players+oldies coming back. And the people who want to play USF4 basically being forced to play SF5 or have nothing to play. We don't really know how much of the "hype" is genuine and how much of it is just momentum.
Wait for the True Emperor to show up and everything will get fixed.
>>339863326
If Capcom doesn't do something drastic and un-fuck SF5, then it is in danger of dying.
However, Guilty Gear seems to be picking up the market share where SF5 is dropping it... Which makes me conflicted because I love both games.
>>339866538
>brazil
>the only fightan people around here try to play
>when KoF exists
You're not fooling anyone.
Sega really fucked up not releasing a new VF at this critical time.
>everyone bitching that SF5 is too simple, whether it's true or not
>suddenly new fucking VF, the only series to hit the new 2009 fighting game wave a little too early to catch on
>>339871560
What ate you talking abour? Xrd only has 115 entrants for CEO. It's losing popularity
It will not die outright because it's street fighter but it will be permanently crippled.
Reminder that 3 (three) months in (90 fucking days), the game still lacks basic features as:
Fast matchmaking, there is a huge, multiple minute downtime between matches (in the most popular fighting game with crossplay)
Region filtering
Latency that is not equalized unlike every other rollback netcodes and instead puts all the burden in one player
Training mode that remembers your settings
Stats that work
Proper ragequit punishment
Directinput or key rebiding (wtf lol) for the pc version
Arcade mode, a simple, easy to implement feature for casuals present in every fighting game since the begining of time
An online shop that works.
And this is only on the top of my head.
Honestly this game should have come out this holiday season or early 2017, at the very least they shouldn't have released a game with less features than the previous one. It scared away a lot of players and people that wanted to get into fighting games for life.
>>339870923
>>339871276
I guarantee it is not my itnernet though, i even changed to a better plan last week.Depends on the server you are redirected, even after port forwarding you can have shitty connection. Again i can actually play some people but most of my matches ends with lag or teleporting.
>>339871683
You mean just like KOF13 is extremely successful around here? Only people i've found that plays KOF is on fightcade.
>>339870045
ain't this all related to pressure?
>>339870906
>people stop playing the previous games permanently when the new iteration drops
Lol no. 4 still has a pretty active scene, and even 3 still has people playing online. I still easily find games on USF4 every day.
>sfv fucked up
>mkx fucked up
>no news on tekken 7 release
tfw we're on our way to a new dark age of fighting games
>>339873287
>revelator on pc never ever
i never buy gg cause pc port is always so fucking late and theres already a new version out every time
any news on uniel pc release?
>>339873287
"dark ages?"
This is the beginning of a new era my nigga, a world where Capcom doesn't have a stranglehold on the FGC and the fighting game genre is allowed to actually progress beyond aping SF or MvC3.
Hell, I'd love to see more smash bros inspired fighting games come out every so often that aren't Sony Brawl.
SERIOUSLY THIS IS NOT A MEME. I AM NOT A SHILL.
PLAY K.I.
ITS A REALLY GOOD FIGHTING GAME.
JUST GIVE IT A TRY.
ITS FREE FOR FUCK SAKE.
>>339872329
Locally it's picking up in comparison to SF5. Yogaflame is also going to start posting Guilty Gear footage. Revelator's tutorials are also pretty legit, which would help new players become competent.
>>339873704
I would but I don't want a bone or W10.
>>339871896
Except majority of complaints from SF5 were content related
>>339873694
>Hell, I'd love to see more smash bros inspired fighting games come out every so often that aren't Sony Brawl.
What does that even fucking mean?
>>339873704
I tried it and thought it was shit, it crashed on me constantly during the tutorials and i hate that i could randomly mash buttons and get a huge combo going. It feels incredibly casual. I also could only play as a giant rockman online which i didnt like either. Why isnt Jago free?
>>339873704
i would if i could but i have a toaster and i ain't stupid enough to get a Xbone.
>>339873287
other than the pc releases what did it fuck up
>>339873931
More fighters that are like smash, but not shit like Playstation All Star
>>339873704
I'm not updating to w10 just to try out a fighting game.
>>339873931
Smash bros. inspired gameplay that isn't shit like PSASB or Sm4sh.
>>339873287
Meanwhile anime fighters are still going strong.
>>339863326
Didn't SF4 have like 5 different versions?
So couldn't a "Ultimate SFV" fix the game?
>>339873694
It pains to say but general gaming audiences don't care about non capcom/MK/namco fighting games. Almost no one gets in and stays in fighting games through anime, SNK, VF or whatnot. Most can't even name a character.
>>339873889
Amongst the average joes only interested in it because it had a new number. For the people that play fighting games it's the game itself that bugs them.
>>339874280
Capcom stated that they intend to only release one version of SFV and update it constantly (about once a month) and aside from the may update that they missed they've been true to that.
>>339872540
>>339868667
>lying
>>339874280
Not really, because people would start shitting on Capcom for releasing an updated version just to give us basic shit that every fighting game should have by default.
No seriously, what fighting game in 2016 is released without a fucking arcade mode?
>>339874018
>i hate that i could randomly mash buttons and get a huge combo going.
Who were you playing as at the time?
>>339874451
in 2016 which first person shooter releases without a single player.
>>339874357
Maybe it's because most fighting games nowadays are too complicated for the angry birds audience.
Capcom needs to relaunch the game (as Super Street Fighter V or something) and release along with it a free-to-play version where you have one character and can unlock others.
Also make sure it is FINISHED of course.
Game is quickly getting exposed for its bad gameplay mechanics. Grapplers are dying a slow death.
>>339874640
the reason why fighting games are not that popular or that people pick them up and drop them a lot is that getting good in those games comes with a lot of loosing and people don't like to fail to learn.
>>339874629
What does one have to do with the other?
people will probably leave after melee it wont even survive till then
>>339874629
Except it takes work to make a campaign. An arcade mode is just bot matches (which the game already has) and stringing them together.
>>339874710
Birdie is doing pretty good. Its just Gief needs a legit buff.
>>339874519
Jago in the training room.
>>339874640
Not necessarily, it's just that those franchises have popular appeal. Even people who don't play videogames know what SF or MK is, everyone knows marvel characters, and for most people 3d fighters = tekken or soul calibur.
There is also smash but that is more of it's own thing.
>>339874825
Arcade mode needs extra lines and at least a animated or at the very least a full VA'd slide show.
>>339874867
Really? How many tourneys is Birdie winning? Game favors characters with low startup moves, since the gameplay has devolved to just mashing buttons on wakeup.
>>339875023
So this is your first fighting game and you forgot the BS that was AE and Super?
>>339875019
Shouldn't be hard to get. I'm sure they've got the 20 bucks necessary to pay off the homeless man that did the story mode art.
>>339875019
Which they already made for a "storymode" where you fight 2 matches.
All the had to do was pad it up. It was the simplest thing.
It will survive thanks to the FGC. You underestimate the FGC if you think otherwise. Fucking Skullgirls still has a scene.
SFV is also popular as FUCK at locals, with more and more locals popping up every few months in my area.
>>339875023
I Really fucking hate that Heavy characters have such shitty buttons, Alex Gief and birdie have extremely shitty normals, most of them are slow and unsafe.
>>339875198
If you are online warrior the game is trash.
>>339873107
>4 still has a pretty active scene
New York City here. the Ultra scene is fucking dead, m8.
>>339874895
Most likely you was using his combo trait where you can do combos without linkers. You can literally mash buttons with him and get a combo going. The only other characters who can to that is Sabrewulf and Omen.
Things that were promised before the July update:
>daily challenger
>fully working shop
>extra battles
>rebinding controls on PC
>Ibuki
Reminds me if I missed anything.
>>339875396
A deep game
>>339875201
they really need to double or even triple active frames on slow attacks for those chars. chances of hitting a counter hit/cc are so low that the attacks are never actually worth doing, especially since faster chars can easily hit the slow recovery with medium into combo every time.
>>339866538
>>339872540
>Brazil
>Complains about disconnects
It's like fucking poetry.
Maybe they're disconnecting because your Internet is shit, bud?
>>339873704
If it wasn't that absolute WORST optimized game on PC I would play it.
If the corpse of 3rd Strike could maintain a competitive scene for nine years, anything can. It will stay in the limelight due to CPT as long as Capcom doesn't go under completely. The playerbase could die entirely and it would still pop up at tournaments until a new SF comes out in 6 years.
>>339875396
>"Promised"
>An internal roadmap that Capcom USA made public without permission
>>339874867
If PS4 didn't have +4 frames of delay compared to PC, Gief would be viable. Snake Eyez was a monster with Gief in WNF, because it was ran on PC so he could actually use reactions in footsies
>>339875643
>without permission
>>339873704
Online doesn't work for me because of Teredo adapter issues and non of the steps to fix it in the XBL guide helped at all. So I guess I'm not playing it.
>>339875617
>It will stay in the limelight due to CPT as long as Capcom doesn't go under completely.
Daily reminder that Sony basically funded the entire game. And they are going to want a return at some point.
>you want us to give you how much money for your tournament season?
>>339875547
i only play with other Brazilians bud.
Also my internet is 30mb with 3 to 5mb upload. Never had problem with my internet before.
>>339875496
Get framekill setups on wakeup you scrub. I can go look at frame data and within 5 mins have meaty/frametrap setups off of every knockdown any character has.
Not if Mika wins, even if it's Fuudo, the most fundamental Mika.
Capcom said they are looking at solutions to the 8f input lag, so maybe the game will get polished enough.
>>339875685
you know the reported difference is 1 frame between PS4 and PC.
>>339875969
turn off V-sync
>>339875891
>wakeup
>>339876021
Even with it off.
>>339876103
Ps4 is 8
PC is 4 with V-sync off
>>339876091
Opponent's wakeup.
>>339875726
Well then they're at least going to survive this CPT season, considering e-sports is exploding, SFV is breaking entrant records, and ubiquity of Twitch alone means that SFV at Evo will in all likelihood will be in the same ballpark for viewership as any other fighting game, save maybe Melee.
I can see it surviving, yes.
If Street Fighter could survive fucking New Generation, it can survive V. They aren't doing new editions this time, but they are patching in the equivalent once a year anyway.
>>339876223
>wakeup
who gives a shit about wakeup, its always the same with every char. medium medium frametrap hurrdurr combo. im talking about neutral
>>339863326
Needs a new waifu that could get /v/'s attention for months and also needs meme power for relevancy in discussion
>>339876303
There isn't going to be a CPT in anything but name if capcom doesn't open up the shop and start making money.
I already gave up on it.
Would I be a massive memer if I played captain falcon in melee?
>>339876303
SF always outdoes melee at evo viewership numbers.
>>339863619
>no arcade mode
>a few laggy online matches
That's it. It's just a meme to hate on this game right now.
>>339871276
Also a brazilian over here. You are indeed full of shit.
>>339875023
>TOURNEY RESULTS!!!
So all the cast need buffs, aside from Ken, Ryu, Nash and Karin?
If Jwong, Tokido or Infiltration played Gief, Fang and Birdie, you'd see those characters on top 8 all the time.
>>339876303
>save maybe Melee.
Street Fighter is the only game that beats Melee in views at Evo
>>339876751
Whuops. Meant for>>339866538
>>339876580
And SF always has the most retarded timeslot for people in Yurop.
>>339875396
You forgot to give the source on that information.
>>339877027
It's always the final game. Never won't be, it's the foundation of Evo.
>>339876592
>not adhering to a DLC schedule that they promised after a barebones launch
Oh yeah, everything's just peachy.
>>339877248
If it's about making sure they don't deliver half-assed content, I'm all up for it.
>>339876793
Buffs won't do it. Some characters like Fang are just outright useless unless redesigned from the ground up.
>>339877248
>DLC schedule
It was an internal roadmap, and wasnt meant to go public.
>>339863326
The question is will it survive after CapCup.
If KI has managed to survive this long after having a similarly barebones launch stuck on a console nobody owns, I see little reason why SFV would fail in any notable way.
>>339877673
Fang has a damage issue. They don't want to make poison op, but poison is almost jokes atm.
>>339876793
Or maybe those guys have an actual reason not to play anyone but Ken, Ryu, Nash and Karin.
>>339874270
SF5 had 5x the entrants at the last major and SF5 is a shit game.That being said, I am still interested in GG. Call me when they put FRC back in and remove danger time.
>>339876380
be less shit at footsies and learn how to whiff punish, then
>>339878719
Not him and his argument is probably shit, but you're joking if you think SF5 has any semblance of footsies or whiff punishing with 8 frames of input delay.
UMvC3 has managed to last 6 years at Evo, despite ALL odds.
If that can still be around, SFV is going to be around until SF6
I still really enjoy the core gameplay in 5 but everything else about it just fucking depresses me, looking forward to Revelator at least.
>>339879078
It does have some semblance of footsies and whiff punishing with 8f delay. I can do it, and sure as hell Momochi & Co are doing it.
It would be easier for everyone if it was way less delay, and the game would be better for it.
You can't just blame delay for your failings tot git gud - but you can blame delay once you reach the highest reasonable plateau.
>>339879614
You can definitely blame 8 frames of delay at any level of play. Do you even play fighting games?
>>339863326
If it dies I hope the story mode has some kind of conclusion. Harada was smart and called T7 being the end of Mishima saga.
>>339876592
And also the huge waiting times for matchmaking, the pointless timewasting "loading screen" animations that don't actually load anything, minimal ragequitting enforcement combined with long, borderline masturbatory attack animations that give your opponent ample opportunity to decide to alt-f4...
>>339879472
I blame capeshit movies.
My sides
>>339880054
Bullshit, Marvel 2 lasted 10 years, and what did we have back then? The mediocre Toby McGuire spidey films?
People just like Marvel. It shows that a competitive game is incapable of dying as long as people want to play it on a competitive level.
>>339875726
Daily reminder that literally no one knows how much Sony contributed to the game.
>>339880413
Capcom said that V would have been years later without Sony.
>>339863326
it's already dead, the rest of the playerbase will switch to kof 14 and tekken 7 soon enough
>>339880574
No they didn't. The guy who said 2018 was fucking joking about how the gaps between numbered SF entries had always increased over time, and he didn't say anything about Sony.
>>339879472
SF6 won't happen without some external backing, because Capcom is close to the shitter financially.
>>339880152
Marvel 2 was also a good game.
>>339880071
>>339880851
You're right it was. But 10 years is still a long time for Evo
Is there a /v/ lobby up?
>>339880071
>>339879614
>want to call people out of blaming the 8f shit
>realise I would be able to punish Nash's dash with a move instead of teching his throw
Also, why people complain about his dash? I'm barely silver and I can react to it if I'm expecting it. But Ken's faggot run, holy shit.
>>339881007
America or EU?
>>339881229
There are plenty of complaints about his dash, dude. Most notably the fact that he stands perfectly still for the first couple of frames, making it even harder to react to.
>>339881229
Agreed, ken's dash is a fucking headache
>>339881229
8f is a long time.
8f is the difference between punishing a whiffed throw with hp/hk and not just a jab.
8f is the difference between whiff punishing medium normals and not being able to whiff punish anything except their slowest normals.
8f is the difference between an easy AA and trading with their jump-in.
8f is the difference between punish that unsafe move on block and having to let it slide because you couldn't react to the startup.
I can go on but I won't.
>>339881229
There's full out videos about why is dash is annoying, I find his Slice move much more annoying though I've been teaching myself to counter it more and more
>>339872337
>still whining over no arcade mode
Just play survival. It's the exact same fucking thing
How do I deal with Ken's who just rush at me and hit buttons/shoryuken nonstop? I can never tell when it's safe to hit him and I just eat shoryukens
>>339881432
I know. I've seen the Eventhubs breakdown on his dash, but I'm always able to react to his dash and tech his throw. Sometimes he is the one getting thrown, but I don't know if the guy tried to do a light or a medium.
My point is, I'm a 16'er Mika mainer scrub and I can react to it, so why people overreact so much about his dash?
>>339881819blockor maybe evenv-reversal
>>339881819
learn his unsafe shit
block until he does said unsafe shit
>>339881721
The difference is 2~3 frames if you compare it to SF4.
only if they allow IBUKI ON THE SCENE
>>339881819
I had a Ken player who mashed medium DP during every fucking blockstring. It was impossible to maintain pressure against such a faggot, so I interrupted them early. Got him out of the habit fast.
>>339881819
Learn to anti air and punish
>>339882314
That always annoys the hell out of me, I can't adjust fast enough to it and generally end of playing scared.
>>339882314
>fighting a Ken
>I always hold back waiting for a dp
>throw
Really, 80% of the Kens I face do wakeup throw isntead of wakeup dp. It's like the flowchart evolved.
>>339882383
It's annoying, but you learn to remain calm and deal with it appropriately.
Thing with Ken: His range is abysmal and most characters can simply outpoke him. Use that to your advantage. Also, those types of players will do something crazy once their gimmick falls flat, like a fullscreen HK tatsu or something, so just be patient.
>>339873931
Brawlhalla my nigga. Had almost as much people as sf5 at combo breaker
>>339882570
Exactlly, everyone plays too passively against ken because of the dp, but think about it like this, which does more damage?
>>339882240
SF4 was pretty unacceptable too, especially on PS3.
PC wasn't so egregious. I think it was like 1-2f delay on PC? I know Xbox and PS3 were like 3-4f.
>>339882859
my biggest gripe is kens insane setups on knockdown, but everything he has gives knockdown
any button with v-skill is knockdown
every special is knockdown
but the kicker is the spacing he gets from them, he's always right there and ready for oki no matter what he hit you with
fuck ken and fuck anyone who plays him
Holy shit Capcom need to fix Karin's cr.MP after cross unders. This bullshit has lost me so many games now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHu7oME0t-M
>>339883171
>my face when I will focus on Ken once I have earned Karin's minimalistic title
Soon.
>>339883171
Just don't get knocked down, and the run is punishable on block unless done hella meaty.
And he doesn't really have insane setups on knockdown, the trickiest thing he has as meaty cross up tatsu, which is still punishable on block (if blocked)
>>339863326
What game is this?
>>339883384
oh so play perfect at all times, got it thanks
>>339883335
Just delay the input a bit.
>>339883554
you don't have to play perfect, just learn how to block. Also minimize the amount of times you get knocked down. It's really not that hard. Unless you play fang or something. BTW, who are you playing?
>>339883038
>I think it was like 1-2f delay on PC?
The only fighting game that has gotten that low is skullgirls because mikez is a magic jew. PC and xbox versions of sf4 have 4 frames. the ps3 version has 5 frames. The ps4 version had 8 frames until they patched it down to 5.
>>339883826
>Magic
Is that what they call good programming and GGPO?
>>339883351
How do you get those?
>>339884348
Honestly, I have no idea. I heard they will drop once you have won enough ranked matches, but I recently unlocked the 300 wins in ranked achievement and still no yellow title. Will keep grinding however.
isn't yellow tittles earned by being gold with that character?
>>339884895
No.
>>339876103
This is wrong.
>>339884575
It's 500 ranked wins.
Ibuki looks really fun and I hated her in SF4
the DLC characters keep getting better so I am exciting about the future tbqh
wonder what urien will be like
>>339887058
Seriously? How do you know?
>>339866538
Just wait for Tekken 7. The revival of the fighting genre.
>>339866538
>Brazil
If I play SFV in a pile of dogshit too I'd probably get the same experience.
