What does /v/ think of pic related?
It's fun but I can see why people don't like it.
The sequel improves every part of the game except the loot system, which is way, way worse then in 1, and is the most important part, so it's shit as a result and all the other improvements are wasted.
>>339858828
Having a four player co-op FPS Rpg for console was rather a treat back when it came out. But the sequels didn't stand out enough in my humble opinion. They boasted (A FUCK TON OF GUNS) in the second one but didn't seem to alter the looks much, just stats.
The borderlands thread from the other day got me to go back to 2. Gonna be leveling up Gaige to OP8. Any superior build for her?
Literally meme-tier writing.
How the games were ever praised for their writing is beyond me.
there is something in that game that makes it more fun to play with a gamepad and i don't know what it is.
i liked the concept of the weapons and killing shit while increasing your level was fun andvdid not feel like work and i liked that a lot when i first tried it
Don't know. I just played Tales from the Borderlands and thought that was pretty good. I might check the first one out and see from there
>>339859271
Only 2 had that writing, because that's when Burch was the writer.
>>339858828
Played the first one, still play BL2 to this day for fun. The series are pretty nice, despite all the memes. I evenliked TPSQand enjoyed that game from Telltale.
Feeling that BL3 is going to be a disappointment though.
>>339858828
BL1 was pretty fun and way better than BL2.
Less micro-transaction bullshit, too.
>>339859023
>The sequel improves every part of the game
The fucking sounds are horrible.
The dialogue got worse too.
I think it reminds me of the dark days of 2007 when Bobby thought it would be fun to burn down /v/.
Other than that, i played it once for 20 minutes got bored and never played it again.
Can't believe people like BL1 more than BL2.
>Bland characters and dialog
>Mediocre skill trees
>MMORPG tier quests
>Shit story
>Lame and repetitive environments
>Guns look way less unique than the ones in BL2 and are pretty much recolors.
>Terrible boss fights besides (maybe) Knoxx.
I don't see it.
>>339858828
Still the best in the series, imo. Best environments, best weapons, best playable characters.
I hope they release a remaster of it. No character in the later releases compared to Brick. Fuck, that guy was fun.
>>339858828
It's okay, best in its series at least but the series is pretty mediocre.
At least it isn't touched by the Burch taint.
>>339861456
>>>/gearboxforums/
>>339861924
>the undertale pic
>anthony nominated for BTFO
Every fucking time.
Fuck you Randy. I'm not buying BL3.
>>339862414
Yeah, fucken oath.
Was thinking about that the other day; after playing all of the BL releases, I think Gearbox saturated the market so much so that I honestly am worn out on the series & have no desire to play a new one. The Pr-Sequel was just a big pile of shit.
Though unpolished and rough around the edges, the game had its quirky charms and made it a good game. It didnt take itself seriously, and what dark humor was there was often subtle. The fact that there was more reading compared to voice acting when it came to missions gave it even more of a proper RPG vibe, because you really did have to read all of the text on missions and shit to understand what was happening around on Pandora.
Gunfeel was solid in the first, everything responded and felt just as the weapon looked. You could really feel the power through a Jakobs Revolver. Still cannot understand how bad they fucked up gunfeel in 2 and the pre-memequel.
>>339862192
Spoken like a true hipster.
Boring as hell and BL2 is superior in every way
>>339862676
TPS wasn't terribly bad, it just had fuck all to do content wise.
>hey guys just letting you know all DLC will be covered by the season pass
>here's 2 characters, a shitty arena and one bonus campaign
>that's all! And it's all covered! you're welcome ;^)
It wouldn't have been so bad if the main campaign itself didn't feel like it was meant to be DLC for BL2.
>>339865697
Nah, the main campaign was too big for a DLC. It should have been marketed as an expansion though.
>>339858828
It's alright. It's really fun until the tedium from all of the recolored, bland areas and having to fight bandits and skags for 90% of the game kicks in.
>>339865697
I just want to use TPS characters in 2. Just add all the characters from each game to a dlc pack.
>>339861456
The real problem is that while BL2 did fix several of BL1's flaws, it fucked up several things BL1 got right at the same time.
>>339866274
>muh loot
>>339866405
Yes, because fucking up the original game's scaling and shitting up the loot drop rates in a game that severely punishes you for not having good loot past a point for no reason is a good thing.
Oh wait no, fuck off retard.
BL1 Tannis is best waifu.
>>339866405
Did you play UVHM? only 10 guns are viable and to get them would take weeks of farming and when you finally get the drop its got shit parts and you need to do it again.
>>339867121
This.
I cbf farming to that level. They used the shit loot drop rates as padding, and it worked on all the OCD cunts. Fuck BL2.
>>339866851
>Yes, because fucking up the original game's scaling
They also increased weapon damage, so this isn't really a problem.
>and shitting up the loot drop rates in a game that severely punishes you for not having good loot past a point for no reason is a good thing
Do quests and then do raids/bosses. That way you can get useful weapons easily.
>>339867121
UVHM is for autistic motherfuckers that want to break the game or those who want a challenge though. You have Normal and TVHM already and you don't need to touch the latter at all since you barely gain experience in those modes past lvl 50.
>>339867996
Off to the gearbox forum with you, faggot.
>>339868305
Epic counterargument.
>>339867996
Even those people who want to break the game cant because the shit balancing. Theres never a point where you can just have fun fucking everyone up unless you go to a lower difficulty.
>>339868685
Off you go.
>>339868694
>Even those people who want to break the game cant because the shit balancing
Salvador's money shot, A good Krieg build.
Didn't even need to read the rest to know you're full of shit.
>>339867996
>They also increased weapon damage, so this isn't really a problem.
Bull fucking shit it's not, enemy health scales so much faster than player damage and enemy damage makes player shielding almost completely useless beyond utility.
I have well over 450 hours playing BL1, multiples of each character maxed, and enjoyed myself immensely. I only have one character in BL2, got up to the "plot twist" with Angel/Roland/Lilith. I just don't have the desire to play any more. It took me 5 characters up to Sanctuary just to find one that I wanted to play. The way that guns feel so different from 1 just put me off, and even with some of the changes that are good, I just can't get into it.
Creatively bankrupt, painfully unfunny, dull gameplay and graphics and gimmicky weapon system.
How it took off is beyond me.
>>339868694
>Even those people who want to break the game cant because the shit balancing.
Flakker+Torgue Rocket Launcher on a character with swap speed bonus makes the game a cake walk, all the way through to OP8. The best part is you only ever need to worry about replacing the Rocket Launcher every couple levels.
>>339869275
I loved that it was basically a FPS Diablo 2, and it was fun to play with friends. Plus, running through the farmory or killing crawmerax, and seeing what loot we got never got old. The 4 of us still get together occasionally and play for a couple weeks.
>>339869118
>Bull fucking shit it's not, enemy health scales so much faster than player damage and enemy damage makes player shielding almost completely useless beyond utility.
Learn how to play the game and put more points into defensive skills and find good shields, dumbass.
>>339869506
> fun to play with friends
I want this meme to die.
>>339869662
Sorry boyo, not a meme. Friends in college and I would get on ventrillo, load up the game, and go to town while having some beers. Harder to do now that we're all married and one has a kid, but we still set time aside to have some fun.
>>339869557
I've done that, it doesn't do shit.
>>339870023
the point is that literally anything is fun with friends.
>Borderlands 1 end game
>multiple choices for loadouts
>different types and many viable weapon choices
>fun
>memelands 2
>double penetrating unkempt harold + bee shield or go home
>>339858828
It's the only game I've ever played that is STILL boring with a friend.
>>339859023
No the sequels do not improve everything. Part 1 had
>more likeable characters
>a non in your face SJW dialogue and story
>better balance with health and shield
>better loot
>better handling of DLC's
>no forced memes like MLP for example
The sequels are obnoxious with shit humor and shit story that should have been more in the background if they were going to make the dialogue such cancerous shit. There is no need to have made the health and shields such ridiculously high numbers either just because of the stupid perception that "hurr higher number means more awesome!" shit is stupid. The damage is also fucked in 2. There is even a picture that shows how much they fucked it up. 1 was the only great game of the series. Series improves greatly if they remove all the cancerous SJW and memes.
>>339870338
Monopoly. All it does is end friendships.
Checkmate.
>>339870363
>>339858828
Really kicked off season passes so im happy about that
>>339870363
Yep i just want to use my favorite gun but cant. Also the damage reduction on OP levels is dumb. You will do only 20% damage to some enemies and cant do shit about it.
>>339858828
It was pretty good when I first played it. Really fun exploring the world and doing online co-op but after doing all the achievements like the 3-hour arena dlc, I never want to revisit it again or play the sequels.
>>339870446
>There is even a picture that shows how much they fucked it up.
This one?
>>339859271
>>339858828
a game ruined by a single faggot meme. People of /v/ hate it for a single reason and it's the most retarded reason in the world. Most of them never even played it.
>lol meme SJW tier anthony burch cuck writing
>please accept me /v/
>>339870787
I think so. I haven't seen it in awhile. When BL2 was more new I do remember seeing many anons saying the damage seems all fucked up. Especially when enemies fire at you.
>>339870446
>more likeable characters
You lost me there. BL1 didn't have a SINGLE likable character besides Knoxx.
Give sick.
>>339871894
>Tannis
>Scooter
>Moxxy
>Ninetoes (also 3 balls)
>start a new character
>find a Hellfire outside of Fyrestone
>all other drops are invalidated for the next 30 levels
Writing gets stale. Bit everything else is great. I just listen to a let's play of another game instead of borderlands 2 while I'm trying to get these last trophies..
>>339872408
0/10, see me after class.
>>339872575
I had the same happen to me, except it was an equalizer masher on NG, on my gunslinger with tresspass, from the first red chest in the descent. I was one shotting most of the eridians along the way, and didn't need to upgrade it until I came back through there in NG+.
>>339858828
Sequel is better, writing aside.
It's still a fun enough dumb-fun RPG-element shooter.
>>339870787
The scaling in BL2 is retarded but it's pretty clearly intended for group play. Me and a friend finished UHVM for the first time last night and the enemies in the pirate DLC seem to have way less HP than anything in the main game for some reason. I dunno if that'll hold up for the other DLCs but it's not too bad at all.
>>339871894
The original 4 were so likeable that they all appear in 2.
Way to fail.
>>339870446
I literally said in my post that 2 fucked up the loot system and balancing, and because of that 2 is a worse game despite all the shit it does improve
>>339858828
Gameplay wise
>Awful compared to 2
>Rakk hive
>The hitbox on those scag jumps
>Badass enemies are generaly less of a threat than the normal variant
>Legendaries are 90% ammo regen guns
>With few overpowered options like Orion and Hellfire
Writing wise
>Borderlands story is barely there, "Hey go kill this guy i guess"
>Borderlands 2 story is there but i dont want it to be, "Wow loud noises and swearing is the way to victory! Wohoo" type of thing
I LOVED Borderlands back when it came out, Was a fucking beast playing as Mordekai, But at the end of the day i'm gonna pick BL2 simply because the combat and the legendaries are a ton more interesting.
>>339870363
>different types and many viable weapon choices
Would you like a very specific Lilith build or Hellfire for the rest of your playtroughs?
>>339873737
>>339859023
>The sequel improves every part of the game except the loot system
>>339870654
OP levels are kinda pointless and pretty clearly designed for the crazy bastards that actually enjoy BL2's absurd enemy HP scaling for some reason. Sticking at level 72 is fine as long as you're playing in a group.
>>339858828
back when it came out Borderlands was the shitBrick was a god but roland was my nigga for that full party ammo regen
It was a game that was pretty damn against the grain for most "fps" at that time, having a loot and skill tree system, big ass bosses and farm-able enemies
it created one of the more interesting universes i'd seen in vidya at the time.
Tales from the Borderlands was fucking great too, fit the style so much more than an FPS.
>>339874229
whilst that may be somewhat true, its not 100% necessary like bl2's builds were
iirc you could get lucky as fuck on a blue or white and it have crazy strong stats on part with a legendary/gold whatever the fuck they're called
>>339875202
I had some fucking absurd blue Vladof pistol on Mordecai that carried me most of my way through my first playthrough.
I really hope the next game fixes loot and the level scaling at least a little bit, as long as the writing doesn't get any worse I'd be fine with those changes.
>>339858828
I believe 2 is better than 1.
The only thing that held 2 from being a very great game was the burch writing and the level scaling.
Bl1 got a western theme to it, GB just add alien and they profit, which is nice, given how little western game out there.
The gunplay is pretty good, you don't have to aim downsight everytime, the gun shoot from the hip is pretty acurrate, even for the shotgun.
The intro is better than bl 2
The dialouge from the enemy isn't just "i'm gonna mutilate your corpse" and it have good voice acting, not like the goliath in BL2
The character ability is much more boring thaan BL2, i give you that. However, there were no more Ammo generator
>>339875416
>BL1
>play Roland
>make machinegunner build out of sweet as fuck S&S purple gun, drop an entire room in seconds with massive rate of fire, refill ammo with supply drop
>BL2
>play Axton
>game fucking ruined the equivalent of BL1 machineguns by making them have shit tier accuracy and slow firing rate
>saber turret is shit compared to the scorpio turret, can't make it dump ammo anymore, and its support tree is totally fucking worthless
I am still fucking mad.
Was psyched about the artstyle but found it boring as hell
>>339875995
What support tree? Axton's trees are basically
>Damage (+Slag turrets)
>Damage
>I'M FUCKING INVINCIBLE (And have two turrets)
It does suck that most rifles are pretty shit in BL2 though, surprised they never tweaked that or anything since they tweaked the stats on some other weapon categories before.
>>339875995
agreed
they fucked the soldier up so bad in bl2
i still dont know what the best build for him is
that nuke when it deploys seems like a PoS. yet its on the most "soldier" of all the skill trees
the double barrel one where it shoots slag is pretty good though
>>339876348
All the way down the left tree, all the way down the right tree, get teleporting turrets from the middle tree (and any leftover points in Battlefront, more gun damage for you while your turret is up, if you're using an Engineer COM). Then just get a relic that boosts whatever element you want and use guns of that element. Explosive or Shock are good options.
The nuke is okay up to level 50 but past that it kinda sucks, not worth going that far down the middle tree for it. Having two turrets that both slag enemies for you is amazing.
>>339876348
>>339876551
Actually it looks like I still had my build bookmarked
http://bl2skills.com/commando.html#55055140015104014000005050144151
Tried playing it coop with my lil brother one time. It's mechanically shit.
>PLEASE TALK ABOUT MY DEAD MEME FRANCHISE
>Remember buying BL1
>had a blast playing through the whole thing
>Bought all the DLC, Zombie Island of Dr. Ned being my favorite
>Hear BL2 being made
>Bought it a week after release
>Played through
>Had a blast playthrough 1
>Playthrough 2
>Die
>Build not viable
>Read online
>Gotta get Legendaries to cheese the entire thing
>mfw
No Gearbox, this is not fun.
>>339877256
>mfw that doctor Ned finale
I wish the game existed without the game existing. Yknow what I mean? It's like my favorite sort of gun porn mindless grinding rpg sort of experience but its also borderlands and carries all that luggage with it
Basically good game in terms of formula / core design but with bad writing etc
Better then the sequel
>>339858828
It's good because it takes itself more seriously than the sequel.
I loved the Mad Max / Fallout humor and setting
It's a shame 2 was a meme game though
>>339858828
Cage the elephant
>>339867121
You can beat OP8 Digi Peak with all non-unique loot.
I enjoyed Borderlands. I find it weird they make a fun game like that and ruin everything else they seem to touch.
>>339874134
Rakk Rakk City bitch
>>339877889
Got any videos of this cause thats goddamn impressive.
>>339877623
I think they just need to go back to their core of crazy characters, not wackyXD, just lost it a bit because of the shitty world they live in.
I didn't really have a huge issue with the bl2 writing, beyond some seriously cringe dialogue with tina and some other characters, but i know what you're saying
Im not sure why people havn't delved into the diablo shooter hybrid more
dont say the division, that shit was...i mean not bad but not even close to good either
>>339877818
fuckign this, pretty much every Borderlands game including tales has top tier intro songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkvScx3Po8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MsP-87pACY
Official ranking:
Borderlands (1): Fun with friends, splitscreen co-op made it great, guns feel fun, writing isn't cringey, skill tress don't feel like they have enough substance, repetitive enemies. 8/10
Borderlands 2: Better environments, still fun with friends, guns don't have any weight, memes, guns feel same if from same manufacturer, WAY too much DLC, damage scaling and enemy hp is horribly skewed making the game sloggier. 6/10 with friends, 4/10 without
Borderlands The PreSequel: You got what you deserved if you paid for this rehash
>>339878684
>Borderlands The PreSequel: You got what you deserved if you paid for this rehash
Don't fucking remind me
>>339878861
There there anon
We all make mistakes
>>339878684
>Borderlands 1
>8/10
Is a 5/10 at best.
>>339870446
I agree with this anon
>>339877256
>Needing legendaries in TVHM
Git gud.
>>339872408
Don't forget
>Ned and TK Baha
>>339878186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NMONfzkpQw
Is Borderlands a prime example of DLC done right?Minus Thunderdome
>>339880007
Damn i might try to do this but i had a hard enough time using all the best shit.
>>339880420
Tiny tina's keep was actually pretty great.
Borderlands had a better loot system, better loot, and better scaling. There was next to no real presentation or exposition and the only thing that anybody remembers it for is the Knoxx DLC which was great. Every other part of the game was forgettable.
Borderlands 2 had better gunplay, better presentation, more and better playable characters, better bosses, and better locations. The scaling after a certain point is definitely fucked but is manageable if you're willing to put in the effort. Similarly the only real good DLC is the Tiny Tina one though the headhunter packs were decent fun.
I certainly don't like the way legendary weapons were handled and I used cheat engine to adjust the drop values to a point that I thought made the game much more enjoyable. If you haven't played the game yet, I recommend doing this, or else you'll miss out on many of the notable weapons and shields in the game. Not that those are the only weapons that can be used as many others like to claim.
Also I played Roland in the first game and was forced to switch to Lilith to stand a chance against Crawmerax. Fuck anybody that says Axton's turret sucks, if you build him properly and know what you're doing you can wipe the floor with any group of enemies and solo raid bosses. Every character in BL2 is capable of playing through all of UVHM. It's certainly easier to play Gunzerker than to play Axton, but at least it's possible. You can't scratch Crawmerax in the first game with anybody other than Lilith.
>>339880930
I was able to routinely beat craw solo with my hunter, but it was by no means a sure bet every time. Even if you abused the cheat spot, there was no guarantee. Had to keep killing the minions until the slow purple ones were all that was left, then just keep running around that pillar to keep craw turning. Maxed pistols tree for the extra damage/accuracy/reload speed, and a powerful 2 shot/3 shot masher were necessary for making the most out of hitting his back. I had maybe a 20% success rate solo, but it is doable.
>>339876270
Also EXPLOSIONS
>>339879263
>Git gud
You mean:
>grind to get damage resistance 'cause of higher level
>farm to get blue+ loot everytime you level up
And most of importantly:
>Play it using covers like fucking call of duty
GF wants to co-op this game, and she wants to play as Zero. Who would be a good partner for Zero? Siren to hold enemies for criticals, gunzerker for a tank, Gaige for death? I'm thinking Krieg may not work, especially if I need a kill to keep going and she snipes the fucker in front of me.
>>339882940
I want it like BL1, where as Mordecai I would regen health when I killed a guy. Make me wants to run through a couple areas and get 20 guys chasing me, for me to turn around and start laying waste to the horde of enemies, spreading fire DoT's with my firehawk, and finishing them off with headshots from my masher, my shields down, and only staying on my feet because I am killing them fast enough for my health to regen.
>>339883057
Melee zero or a sniper?
>>339883298
She prefers to stay at range. When we played 1 together, I played Mordecai with revolvers, and she started as Roland with 3-round burst rifles, but switched to snipers. She wants to start with a focus on snipers and a secondary weapon this time around.
>>339877256
>Needing legendaries for TVHM
Dude what? Literally git gud.
>>339865697
There were too many shitty Australian accents in that game
When I was 14 I spent all day playing this on splitscreen with my friend, and that's how I spent my summer of '09. One of my favorite games, even if I don't get much fun out of it anymore, just because of the memories.
>>339880420
Thunderdome was decent though
The endboss of it was pretty horseshit but besides that I liked it better than the pirate DLC
>>339878684
I like playing as Crapflap though
>>339883428
Krieg makes it fucking impossible for anyone else to see a goddamn thing in a 50ft radius around wherever Krieg is currently exploding so probably not that. Anyone else would work just fine.
For me, Borderlands 2 started out great but the flaws became painstakingly more apparent the more I played. 600 hours into the game and I can barely boot it up without wanting to vomit.
I got the Borderlands series in one of those Humble Bundles about a year back and damn, never have I been so bored so soon into a game. The graphics were awful, and shooting around that desert starting area was horrible. Some of the loot was neat, but I lost interest very quickly as the fetch quests did little for me.
Not sure if I should give it another go... I like Diablothough it did get dull after a whileand I love FPS, so in theory I should like it, right? Is it one of those games that's only fun with friends, or does it just get better later on?
I guess I could run through it on co-op but none of my friends have the gameon PC
>>339884263
Yeah, the opening is kind of a drag. Weapons selection is limited to pistol/shotgun/bad combat rifle/bad SMG. For some reason, weapons won't start to appear until certain levels. Like snipers won't show up as loot or for sale until level 5 or so, revolvers around level 15, RPG's around teh same level. Also, you'll start to get ore elemental weapons as you level, and then you unlock more of your skill tree, which makes the game much more enjoyable.
If you can, play with a friend, it's cheap enough on PC to grab a copy, and just go at it.
>>339858828
Kinda shit, but was neat.
Too bad gearbox apparently had no idea why people liked the game so the sequel fixed none of the problems and made zero improvements.
>Playing Borderlands 2
>"Wow my guns are fucking awful, all these enemies are sponges."
>Find higher grade weapon
>"Finally shit will get easier."
>Feels the fucking same because the enemies just scale to your weapons
Also what irked me from the beginning was finding out the QT Mechromancer was locked behind $10 DLC, fuck that noise.
>>339884115
>he wants boring, edgy, Callofdooty writing
Jesus fuck, children.
>>339884676
Got that shit with the season pass was well worth it.
>>339884923
I've already played the whole main story and a handful of sidequest, I don't feel like it'd be a good investment to buy any of the DLC at this point because there's nothing left to discover.
>>339884676
Enemies don't scale to your weapons, they scale super fucking hard based on level.
Played the first half of BL1 ages ago, now playing the rest (finished Ned DLC today)
playing roland.
I remember running out of ammo at one point, and being unable to escape, but also being unable to progress, and unable to get more ammo, and out of cash. I think it was just before the big bandit boss in an arena thing.
Then I found a lvl18 assault rifle with ammo regen. 20 levels later and I'm still using it.
I tried an SMG but burned through the ammo super quick.
found an ammo-regen mod, but I like my +clip-size% mod.
how do you manage ammo in BL?
Never going to touch BL2 because of the meme-fest
>>339886907
Use multiple weapon types mostly, and scrounge through as many containers as possible
If you were stuck somewhere with no ammo you could just quit out of the game and come back in to start the area at the beginning near Marcus' vending machines.
>>339886907
Use the ammo regen mod when you're out of combat. Switching them in and out sounds tedious but it will make life so much easier until you get the care package skill for the Scorpio Turret.
>>339887616
I was thinking more about it if I want to play another character, probably the siren (lilith?) who has SMG skills
>>339887784
Early game siren with an SMG will blow through ammo very quickly. A few options, get a mercenary mod with ammo regen, find a savior (SMG that regens ammo), or do some sequence breaking.
Once you get to fyrestone, you can port to the DLC areas. If you go to T-Bone Junction (There will be some end game spoilers in the opening cinematic), there are 4 chests (2 grey 2 red) that you can open in the hub area, and only 2 places where enemies can spawn (the fridge in the shrine to Lillith and the courtyard across from Marcus's shop). Avoid those areas, loot the chests, reload the game, sell the loot, repeat. There is an ammo vendor right by the spawn point, and you can buy the second to last ammo upgrade there. With about 45 minutes of running around and selling, you'll be able to carry a ton of ammo.
I loved the first game.
I REALLY loved the second one.
And ihave yet to playthe presequel.
I will preorder BL3 and its 2 season passes, of course.
Come at me.
I liked it, BL2 was a mistake.
Fun to play with buddies, boring as fuck alone.
Bigguest issue for me is how there's no punishment at all for dying. You get killed, you respawn to the last checkpoint, whatever enemies you didn't kill are still there, and all that happens is you lose some money? Lame.
Other thing is that I just hate all the dialogue and 90% of the characters.
Looking forward to 3, hopefully they cut out the meme faggotry.
>>339874417
Balancing the loot is part of loot
>>339858828
