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Behold, the WoW Killer.
https://youtu.be/rAubpv_5DYM
Why aren't you playing already?
>>339854769
>WoW Killer
LOL
>>339854769
>le wow killer
This time it'll finally happen guys, i'm sure of it.
>>339854769
>Static died right before 3.3
Well I guess I'm not doing Nidhogg
>>339854769
WoW is already dead though.
>>339854769
>WoW Killer
>>339854769
played this for a while. it looks nice but it's boring as fuck
the only good mmo is runescape
That third armor better be available for Dragoons
Lel
>tfw red scrips
>>339855761
It looks good, so of course it is, my nin armor make me want to barf.
>>339855761
where do you get those armor sets?
MNK is best DPS job
>>339855429
Did you at least clear A6S?
>palace of the dead
so she's back?
>>339854769
>a single player game with multiplayer capabilities
>WoW killer
>>339855880
You mean the first one?
It's a reference to the Conqueror from The Last Remnant.
I think it looks cool bar the skirt.
>>339855761
Oh wow, caster armor that actually looks somewhat unique.
>>339855993
These are pics of the new patch.
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/06/03/final-fantasy-xivs-patch-notes-give-depth-look-patch-3-3/
>themepark mmo
>boring uninspired wow-clone classes
>hotbar spam combat
i can go on, the game has potential, like, if they just stop doing everything they are doing right now, and do something different, but , they keep just digging their own grave, catering to stupid tryhards for like the better part of 2 years, when literally only like .003% of the players actually completed those tryhard dungeons
they need to start being creative, start making the combat fun and enjoyable, start making the classes more enjoyable to play, because its just so shit.
>>339856235
That's monk, nin is the catboy.
>>339856370
>>339856408
>>339855761
Why does ever armor set in HW have a fucking skirt.
>>339855761
I like these, hope they're the dungeon armors. Monk/nin set looks like it's absed off that bad guy from Last Remnant.
I really like the tank/drg set and the mage/healer mask.
>>339856408
That's the Void Ark gear.
The pic I posted is the new dungeon gear.
>>339856575
Only 4 for all roles?
>>339854769
because even though it's better than wow, it's still mediocre
>>339856698
Gay cowboy is BRD/MCH
Valkyrie wannabe is Tank/DRG
Tribal goonie is Healer/Caster
Roman visionary is NIN/MNK
>>339856698
That's how it always is isn't it? Healing one will be the Casting one but a white version. Tanks share with dragoons, except tanks get an extra tabard/skirt. Monks share design with ninjas, bards share with machinists.
>>339856698
Yes
I think first one is NIN/MNK,
Second one is Casters/Healers,
Third one is Tanks/DRG,
Fourth one is Ranged DPS
how did FFXIV go from this...
>>339856947
Lazy shit again. At least ironwork had different set for monk, drg and nin.
Anyone know what that "New Placeholders have been added" thing is all about?
Will we eventually be able to see Monster HP values?
>>339857151
to this?
>>339857275
Yoshi
Played it a lot, probably done until the next expansion though. Don't feel like playing catch up without a guild.
>>339854769
>Tera
Hurr durr le WoW killer
>Guild Wars 2
Hurr durr le WoW killer
>Wildstar
Hurr durr le WoW killer
>>339857227
Ironwork was tome gear, this is just gear from the expert dungeons
>>339857275
They didn't release it in an alpha state, thinking they could just patch it later.
>>339857492
Expert is not different.
>>339857275
by removing unique inspiring concepts and game design and resorting to copying world of warcraft
>>339857227
Ironworks MNK and DRG were similar
Ironworks NIN was similar to BRD
>>339857275
Make the game ugly for consolefags.
resubbed recently
>tfw no static to raid with
>tfw log in and don't want to do anything, get beasties done and then maybe do a roulette
>tfw fc is just a core group of people who all know each other really well and don't really engage with me because I'm not part of the cult of personality and they've been around since before I even started playing over a year ago
>tfw haven't even done a5-8 because just hit i200 and don't really want to play BLM anymore
>tfw leveling other jobs is boring as shit but I did it anyway
>tfw don't really know what job I even want to play
>tfw 3.3 is coming soon anyway so I might have something to do but not for long
>tfw not even really good at the game in the first place, fuck up any job I really try to get into and can't even pull great dps on my main job
>tfw don't really feel like playing anything else
please kill me it hurts to live
>>339857412
To be fair, anet didn't expect GW2 kill WoW, they expected it to be an alternative. Which it would have been if it were like FUCKING GW1 INSTEAD OF WOW ON ICE
>>339857890
What kind of gameplay do you like?
Try to repeat your rotation on a dummy until it sinks in and you can do it with your eyes closed. Don't hesitate to train with Stone, Sky, Sea.
So what race do you people play as? I wish there was a way to permanently change the idle stance, had to role with a Roe because thats literraly the only role without a diva stance, how can square make something as good as highlander and then give them the most uninspired, lady like stance?
>>339855429
>static kicked out their own leader
>he sit's in PF for 3 weeks looking for new one
I wonder how did he come to the point of being kicked out from own static
>>339858214
I play female Highlander and I love the idle stance. They're fit without being too bulky like the femroes and their stance make them look like they don't take shit from anyone.
>>339858214
You can change stance, I'm a female cat with I'M CIA stance.
as soon as the game started adding dumb new races, and when collecting mounts and pets were considered 'content' i knew it was time to stop playing
>>339857890
What server you on?
>>339858138
I enjoyed the big numbers of BLM, but I stopped loving it when I had to become a turret or lose 50% of my DPS for a huge amount of time.
I've got MCH to 55, but I'm not really sure how good I am with it because there's no real reliable way of knowing how I'm doing until I hit 60 and can compare my parses to others. Same for DRG, which I got to 50 for no fucking reason.
I managed to level ACN to 60, but SMN isn't my speed and I'm not too keen on having to manage pet stuff for SCH (but maybe that's just because I'm bad).
Currently trying to get WAR up, but I'm not a good tank. I end up either DPSing too much or running out of TP.
>>339858957
Ultros.
>>339859287
Also, MCH has a turret mode anyway, so I'm not even sure about that anymore. Half of what kept me going was the sweet draw animation of the Ironworks gun.
>>339858505
Yeah love the way they look, im a guy though, so I im only talking about the male classes, all female classes look great imho, besife the lizard one, which looks kawwai desu.
>>339858571
You can change the pose, butthe stance is always the same, poses only kick in after 5 seca anyway, I meant the default idle stance and animation.
Has getting gear moved beyond doing roulettes for tomes? That shit was annoying a year ago, and I can't imagine it would be any better while trying to play catch up.
>>339855761
>Caster armor is semon demon tier
>not gay long robes
Finally we're making the transition from stuffy aristrocat ishgard shit to slim ala mhigan clothing.
>>339857890
Are you on leviathan? I'll play with you!
>>339859287
Damn, I'm on Exodus.
But it's normal for a WAR to bleed TP while leveling. Especially at earlier levels. You should avoid spamming Overpower and throw in some Flash from GLA if you have trouble managing AoE threat.
But tanking in non-savage content is pretty easy and as WAR you're basically a 3rd DPS role anyway
>>339859287
SCH pet mechanics are pretty bare bones.
99% of your interaction with the fairy is just positioning and recalling Selene before and after a pull. Eos doesn't come out that often, and even then she's just clicking a few abilities sometimes.
>>339857890
I'm on Ultros and always play with new people, if you're in ZR I'll play with you when I resub, in 4.0.
>>339856109
where is that armor from?
>>339860073
Hello fellow ZRian
>>339856109
>same chest on female
They could have edited it a little.
>>339860305
well.. most male characters feel the same way about 80% of the armor sets
>>339855863
I always forget to do Gathering and Crafting Red Scrips.
But then again, my HQ Crafting gear doesn't have materia in in yet so that sucks. What's the best profession to get red scrips from anyway?
>>339855761
FFXIV needs more of these kinds of references.
>>339860068
My biggest concern with trying to heal as SCH (Mid 40s right now) is that I have trouble trusting a pet to do the right thing.
How closely do you watch HP meters as you help DPS?
>>339860552
Clerical clothing are always dresses, it's not like they were designed for females.
>>339854769
I'll play if they do a 7-day trial thingy for returning people again. Mainly interested in seeing how dead the game/server is before I spend any shekels.
>>339860850
If you know the fight, not very.
Just don't account for fuck ups on their behalf and you're good. As much as people like to talk shit, people generally don't stand in orange circles so with a little bit of experience you can predict exactly when people are going to take unavoidable damage.
>>339860750
Hope the chest is braless.
>>339861091
Yeah, my biggest concern was triage.
I know most fights pretty well from the tanking perspective: got all three to 60 but never really worked on healers or DPS all that much. Finally got a few above 50.
So I always heard about the lolDRG meme but I never really paid it any mind until I started playing healer. Then it became glaringly obvious that it was always the DRG I was having to heal because he simply refused to dodge shit. I even wound up taking DRG to 50 myself later just to see if there was some reason why these shitters were having trouble dodging and I think I can count on one hand the number of AoEs I ate during the entire process.
What is it about that job that transforms people into drooling retards?
>>339861841
If the healer isn't DPSing I'll just stand in shit. The healer can handle it and it keeps my damage up. No reason to move out of anything that isn't instantly fatal.
I'll dodge shit if the healer actually goes into cleric most of the time, though.
considering WoW's popularity for the last 12 years, how much money has Blizz made from it?
>>339854769
but wow already killed itself
>>339859410
>Also, MCH has a turret mode anyway
that's not even close to turret mode, most of your skills instant when you actually need them instant
>>339861841
You can't move for a good 10 seconds when using jump, spineshatter and dragondive.
Currently holding onto 1340 Lore.
Buy the Tank weapon, or get the rest of the Aiming stuff, keeping in mind that the belt, Neck and Head suck ass entirely.
>>339860068
Generally, is it a good idea to just stick the fairy as close to the general party center as possible? What about during bosses? Should I just stick Selene in the center and pretend mechanics don't matter?
>>339860073
>>339860250
ZR is pretty ded right now, yeah.
It's sad seeing the login totals now compared to 3.0.
>>339861090
They had one a couple months ago. Probably not going to have another for a while.
>>339861841
I think what really got lolDRG going was the jump animation lock getting a lot of people trapped in AoEs.
>>339861841
Dragoons has several off GCD abilities that lock them in place for some time and make them vulnerable to AoEs.
>>339862746
that was pre 2.1, now its only 5 seconds
>>339862803
Just get a Nidhogg weapon next week.
>>339863119
So.. Tank armor? Alright.
Are there any good players on Balmung here? I just recently came back and would like to do Nidhogg EX next week.
>>339855761
>Same fucking hat from Neverreap and Fractal for MCH/BRD
YOSHI PLS
>>339863235
>same hat
>Baldur was a Cowboy hat.
No, no it wasn't.
>>339863235
??
The Neverreap thing is like a domed cap. This is a cowboy hat. The fuck are you smoking.
>>339863516
>>339863419
I know that hat was in before because it looked like Skullface's hat from MGSV. It might have been Pharos/Saints.
>>339862841
Fairy placement sometimes depends on the fight, but I usually just stick it between the ranged and the melee.
Just make sure it's within range to give the melee it's haste buff.
>>339863235
Wrong dungeon.
>>339863697
Nope. Completely brand new hat. Lost Thief set doesn't look like that.
>>339863861
My bad then.
>Heavenshills still trying to get people to play their fashion catgirl simulator
>>339860850
You manually use Embrace to tell your pet who to cure. While the pet's natural AI is passable, you can be more efficient and effective if you place your pet's Embraces. It's a good habit to develop early.
>>339864109
Hard to play fashion when nothing look good.
>>339854769
>WoW Killer
Stop this meme jesus fucking christ. 10 years and it's not been funny once.
>>339855761
I actually really like that MCH one. Might look good on my c@. Of course i'd have to level MCH...
>>339864109
>that one faggot who comes into a rare instance of /v/ actually discussing a video game and shitposts strawmen
>>339863953
You forgot to update it
Have they showed off the new DOL/DOH gear yet?
>>339864756
First one is DOL, second one is DOH
>>339864756
Yeah, its the Ironworksesque armor.
>>339865316
>>339865324
So uniclass armor. Not bad, will make getting everything that isn't my specialty caught up. Will probably be needed to craft the dyable dreadwyrm gear anyway.
>>339865316
Hm, that looks pretty cool don't get me wrong, but I like my Botanist to look.. natury(?).
>>339864581
Are there any numbers for 2016?
>>339865809
You can always glamour. I think they only did one set people had enough of having to make multiple sets for each profesion.
>>339865937
None, that stops when they stopped giving out numbers.
It can't have gotten better, there hasn't been a fucking content update since before then.
>>339865937
They stopped reporting numbers after this. I'll let you guess the reason.
Good patch for BRDs.
> /mogdance
>>339866001
I know, and I will probably try something new out since it'll be new gear. I understand why they do it for sure.
id play it on ps4 but im so far behind ill never catch up
>>339866197
>song cast times down
This is all i've ever wanted. Thank you Yoshi-san.
>>339864138
Do you play with a keyboard? If so, can I see your keybindings? This has been my biggest issue so far with non-tanks; getting a comfortable layout with the bindings. PLD, DRK and WAR felt pretty natural to layout compared to what I've been doing with SMN, WHM, BLM and SCH.
>>339866457
As a caster, BV getting knocked down to 3 minutes makes me moist.
>>339866197
>Battle voice recast time has been reduced from 300 to 180 seconds
I don't even play BRD and I'm happy about this. No more waiting a billion hours for the BRD to get all his CDs back.
>>339857890
This is either ZR or GAF.
>>339866359
me again, its a shame really. because I think FF14 looks super fun. I just dont see myself catching up ever. I can only play a few hours a day as well
>>339866359
What server are you on?
And where did you last leave off?
Get with some friends, and you'll catch up in no time.
>>339867073
I only play it for an hour or two a day, every other day and I'm caught up. It isn't too bad to stay up to date.
>>339867073
>I just dont see myself catching up ever
You're wrong. This game is designed from the ground up to be easy to catch up on. The hardest thing is just getting up to 60 and reaching the minimum ilevel requirement for expert roulette, after that its just a matter of being able to cap the current locked tomestone, which takes a minimum of 6 expert roulettes or an average of 30 minutes over 6 days.
>>339866359
they make odd numbered patches specifically to catch up
>[3.0] The drop rate for luminous crystals required to undertake the quest "Soul without Life" has been increased.
Should I even bother trying to level a secondary class or two on FATEs for this bullshit. Getting to i200 doesn't look too bad, i210 looks awful and i230 seems okay
>>339854769
>Buy to play
>Buy subscription to keep playing
>Buy mandatory expansion packs worth 1 full retail game each release
Who has money for this shit
>>339867589
The only hard part of the anima weapon is the 210 step. We're going to have to see how bad the new lights are though.
>>339867637
You're telling me that you can't afford 60 dollars total then 10 bucks a month? Do you live on shitty autism bucks or work at McDonalds?
>>339867637
>base game and expansion costs $20 at gamestop
>30 days gametime included with purchase
>$13 a month to play after that
who doesnt have $13 to burn every month
>>339867589
Holy fuck how could they think keeping the 80 fucking item shit was a good idea still.
>>339867708
The new step will be exactly like the Novus Weapon except you won't need materia.
>>339867898
There's someone in my FC with 3 i230 relics. Supposedly there is a simple way for the items, but I don't see how outside of the maps for the shells, then beast tribes for the others.
>>339867708
I guess I should throw in that I'm currently at i210 weapons because I'm a lazy shit.
>WoW killer
>plays just like WoW
>becoming what you murder
Sure thing anon I'm right behind you!
>>339854769
Behold the WoW clone that has less than 400k subs.
>>339868035
>plays just like WoWLOL
>>339868115
That rotation looks overly long. Isn't it just the same thing repeated?
>>339868035
Having many friends who either like one or the other, I'd say it's more like the preference between Pepsi and Coke.
There are some differences, while remaining more similar than different.
In the end, you'll easily prefer 1 over the other.
>>339868357
Not exactly. I don't even know what the fuck at 60 but at 50 DRG had a staggered rotation where you only did the Chaos combo after two Full Thrust combos, so while there was an easy to remember pattern if you wrote it out it was long as shit.
>>339868115
As someone who is literally playing both currently I like WoW's classes more for the most part. That chart is a prime example of disinfo that is exagerrated in image form. Dragoon is seriously like 1234 then 1567. I like WoW classes because they have a lot of random procs.
So if i want to play this game I'm gonna have to buy the base game, heavensward and this new expansion pack all at once?
>>339868357
That picture is trying to "Maximize" the dmg, by showing what ability would be best used, while others are on CD. THEN shows how many times you need to pick that priority, until it finally repeats itself.
Thing is, technically the same can be done with WoW rotations, and so the picture is misleading. (WoW rotations do tend to repeat with less abilities, but that example tries not to show it.)
>>339868357
The game lags so bad that melee are largely irrelevant anyway unless you're in an encounter that forces a melee setup which it normally does. And I don't need to tell you that encounters that force extremely specific setups is bad design, right?
>>339868437
That's a strange way of saying they're both shit.
>>339868639
>Thing is, technically the same can be done with WoW rotations, and so the picture is misleading
This is what I was getting at.
>>339868637
There is only 1 expansion, which they are bundled together usually. (both pretty much go for $20, or $40 together)
>>339868637
You would only need the base game. Heavensward is the only expac right now. You don't need it right away, just if you want to play the new race.
>>339868637
you don't need heavensward until you finish the base game
there are no other expansions
>>339868598
>I like to mash 3 buttons in hopes of getting a random number increase
>>339868357
It's skipping all the off-GCD skills so it's even longer.
>>339868709
>melee are largely irrelevant
>monks are the top dps
Alrighty then
>>339857151
>>339857275
so how different was the game back then?
>>339868935
Everyone I know who plays Monk in savage says the job is pretty braindead after a certain point. High floor, low ceiling. Not sure what this is trying to illustrate.
>>339868935
Monk is the same shit as DRG as I just said. Its two combo lines and a DoT if I recall correctly.
>>339869102
Everyone I know who plays [insert class here] in savage says the job is pretty braindead after a certain point.
>>339869014
Top DPS in stand-still fights, maybe. Any fight that requires you to move a ranged DPS will take top billing. Any fight that has AoE a ranged AoE class will take top. And let's not start on PvP.
>>339868115
That's not fair, should compare warrior vs warrior.
>>339869020
It was shit, it looked pretty, but it was basically trying to be an update version of ffxi, combat was slow too until they updated it to today's "mmo standards"
>major content patch
>not even a followup to the triad/regulus thing or main plot
Nerf that 200-210 relic step and maybe I'll come back for a month.
>>339868637
you can't even touch HW content with clearing all of ARR's main story quest
but buy both so you don't waste your time with extra leveling by getting locked at level 50 cap as base games content can get you to around level 53
>>339869232
Aoe I won't argue, but even in fights that require lots of movement dragons and monks are consistently top, the biggest exception being a blm if they don't have to move a lot
>>339869259
>2.5s GCD
>""""mmo standards""""
>>339854769
Does anyone have a link to the song that plays during the new MSQ presentation?
>>339869227
Sure you could say that about any job but seeing as these people actually know what the fuck they're doing, I believe them.
Monk players are usually the only people I see saying "My job is easy."
>>339869350
There's a story quest about what Regula is up to.
>>339869383
>the biggest exception being a blm if they don't have to move a lot
Translation: BLMs that are catered to in Midas
>>339869020
1.0 had better graphics, better crafting, a player-driven economy, a world that had some risk while exploring and less instances. Most dungeons were in the open world. It failed because it was an alpha version of a game. The players who payed for the update - legacy account holders - all asked them to update the game so it wasn't an alpha anymore. Yoshi P ignored it and made a WoW clone.
>>339869396
it's a remix of ishgard's theme
>>339869383
I should correct myself, highest single target goes to monk or drg
Drg being overall raid damage because litany, monk being meh because t offers nothing other than damage, dragon kick being hit or miss if you have a drk
>>339869626
Translation: monks are shit because of the overwhelming lag melee DPS have to suffer through but you're forced to bring them because dispell.
>>339869145
Not in Heavensward it isn't
>>339869227
Monk is VERY easy. The fact that anyone can be bad at it makes no sense.
>hurr youre just a DRG/NIN trying to make MNK look bad
I been monk since 2.0
>>339869570
>better crafting,
Fuck off
>>339869403
Everyone who mains a job says their job is easy. I've played every DPS class at 60. If I were to rank the DPS by difficulty I'd say
MCH
NIN
MNK
DRG
BLM
BRD
SMN
from hardest to easiest. Yes I'm an SMN main.
>>339869813
What lag? I never experienced any during my savage days
>>339869532
what is every top parsing blm ever
>>339869813
what the fuck are you talking about
>>339870049
>Everyone who mains a job says their job is easy.
This is probably the case.
I main SMN but I can't really compare it to anything else at 60 yet. I don't find SMN particularly easy though.
>>339869813
>Translation: monks are shit because of the overwhelming lag melee DPS have to suffer through but you're forced to bring them because dispell.
There's no lag for melee DPS, you can reliably hit a moving target with close to no problem. Also dispell is useless in PvE.
>>339869813
Translation: nice shit posting cuck
Because I can't afford a time card. My Thaumaturge sits in wait.
>>339860195
PvP
It's the i180 monk/ninja set, "Set of the Rising/Falling Dragon."
Most ballin outfit ingame.
>>339870049
Even if there is some truth to it.
>nin
>hard
>>339869915
The main complaint about 1.0 crafting was that you needed multiple crafted items from other crafting and gathering classes and leveling those classes took a long time. In 2.0 you still need multiple reagents from multiple classes and it still takes a long time to craft. The only difference is that you can no longer make something that's HQ+2.
>>339870052
>>339870076
>>339870123
>>339870201
>>339870216
If you're clear out of the giant red AoE circle of death that melee have to deal with the server will still count it a hit if you're still inside the giant AoE circle of death if it thinks you're still in it, which is normally a good half second behind what's on your screen. The only way to guarantee yourself not to be hit by those things is to do it pre-emptively.
>>339870175
Here is the thing with SMN
You put down a shadow flare, apply your 3 dots, and have your pet on target. Until bio drops off in 18 seconds, you can do NOTHING else and you'll still be doing 50% of your total damage output.
50% OF YOUR TOTAL DAMAGE OUTPUT!
That needs no more mechanical input from you.
>>339868035
>plays just like WoW
>>339855761
They finally added a cape!
Time to resub
>>339870508
>Getting hit by AoE's as melee
Not everyone has cup and string internet, anon.
>>339870175
i've played every job at 60, smn is definitely hard to play, but i feel like even though it's strong, it's just a poorly designed class in general, it doesn't feel like it has a natural flow to it unlike pretty much every other class
one thing that pisses me off still is you can't use direct pet commands at the same time you cast spells still
>>339870508
no it won't lmao, you just have to move out before the cast bar is full
you sound like those shitter who keep getting hit by titan's landslide because they think they can move out before the animation plays
>>339870526
Fair enough. The part I find the most difficult is awkward add phases (where AoE isn't an option) or molding your play around a specific fight in raids.
But I guess that's most jobs for the latter and not specific to SMN.
>>339870526
I main SMN and if you do what you said your dps won't even reach 600. You have to be very active with the SMN to do high dps on single target. Yeah, we don't suffer as much as the BLM when we have to move to dodge something but in echange they can deal a fuckton of DMG every time they cast Fire IV while we need to have every debuff on, cast every ruin we can, manage the egi, use our dreadwyrm trance at the right moment, etc.
SMN is easyer on the theory but when you need good dps it's a real pain in the ass to compete against single target jobs.
>>339870508
>not learning the fight rotations so you get caught by AOEs
Sure thing guy
when did mmos become muh rotations
>>339854769
>stopped playing right after knights of the round ex got released due to college
>havent played since
Tell me,what did i miss, and will i be able to do everything up until the current patch? Surely theres still people doing old content right?
>>339870735
at least ruin III helps a little against weak adds
before HW it was a nightmare
>>339870672
You could have god tier internet and it wouldn't help because square has toaster servers.
>>339870726
>they think they can move out before the animation plays
Why is this such a strange thing to request from developers? Everyone asked them to fix this from 1.0 to 2.0 and they clearly never did. It's bad design. It's only compounded by the fact that you could be well clear of the giant red circle of death and still get hit.
>>339870857
You could give me more than 2 minutes to write a reply you fuckwit.
>>339870972
When devs stopped making good MMOs and started making WoW clones.
>>339870952
Hardly the point.
>>339871016
Oh absolutely. That recent buff is a godsend for that. Way better now then what it used to be like.
>>339870526
It's just irritating how SMN does less single target damage than BLM. BLM seems so boring by comparison, but because of the way SMN is designed it's just not as good for anything outside of A2 or The Vault or other shit where tons of AoE is useful.
>[2.0] Reputation points awarded for completing the Amalj'aa, Sylph, Sahagin, Kobold, and Ixali beast tribe daily quests have been increased.
Time to get the Goobbue and Bomb mount.
>>339871098
Sorry I don't wait for you to react
>much like those aoes
>>339870719
>smn is definitely hard to play,
It's not
>it's just a poorly designed class in general
It's literally the most elegant class in the game
Everything, EVERYTHING run on a 60 second timer. The entire class is based around Aetherflow. It's cooldown dictates everything you do. Unlike other classes where the player has to build an internal clock of where their rotation should be, Aetherflow does it for you. Aethertrail stacks work into this system perfectly as well. You can extend your trail stacks over 90 seconds to insure you have 3 available when Aetherflow comes off cooldown, so you can go into trance with 3 flow stacks.
I did it /v/.
I just got my3rd 230 relic
>>339870049
Different people are better at different things.
Despite how similar they can all seem, the small differences make some classes easier for me, than others, but those very same classes, prove to have a different difficulty for friends of mine.
But there are some scenarios where a class ends up being considered easy by the majority of people, like Paladin. (Depending on which patch you played it, its only difficulty was enmity at certain level ranges)
But back to DPS, I'd have to say they all seemed challenging in their own way.
I'd agree with MCH being the hardest,but i find more challenge in BLm than the rest, while my NIN and MNK feel easy to me. (and my DPS results show I suck at BLM)
>>339870952
Wait, are you saying you learn the fight just so you CAN be caught by the AoEs? You must really like dying,friend.
>>339871257
Way to not argue the point at all.
>>339871164
if SMN did as much single target damage as BLM it would be completely broken, anon
>>339871098
>Why is this such a strange thing to request from developers? Everyone asked them to fix this from 1.0 to 2.0 and they clearly never did. It's bad design. It's only compounded by the fact that you could be well clear of the giant red circle of death and still get hit.
It's not bad desing, it's how the game works. The enemy cast an aoe, if you are inside the aoe when the cast ends you are hit. It works in both sides and the game's tutorial tells you about it.
You totally sound like that kind of guy that keeps dying at landslide. I had the same problem as you had when I started playing FFXIV after 4 years of wow, just get over it like I did and pay attention to the cast bars.
>>339870508
The game has done some improvements to help avoid this issue, but sadly, it still remains server side.
I find Titan a joke now, even with the same internet connection, but sometimes, i still find myself hit by some of the shorter AoE indicators.
But yes, this wasn't a 100% the games fault, though it did need to be client side.
>>339854769
>PC is straight garbage
>No PS4
>PS3 version is virtual cancer
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Is this better than GW2?
>>339871098
If you're getting hit by AoE's a lot and don't doing damage like you're suppose to do as a melee DPS. You should honestly just off yourself.
>>339871292
How bad is the 210 step if I have 1 ARR Beast Tribe maxed and both HW?
>>339871292
Absolute madman
>>339871431
>not using best girl tsuyu
You lost your time card
>>339871509
Anything is better than GW2.
>>339871509
I don't think it's a fair comparison because GW2 is complete fucking dogshit
>>339871573
Enjoy running every roulette every day for about 3 weeks.
>>339871509
It's not the same as gw2
>>339871292
other than playing the game for 20 hours a day what are doing to get items that fast?
I've been at it for weeks and only at 40/80 unidentifieds
What anime do you guys like watching while grinding?
>>339871573
You may as well kill yourself now to save the pain.
>>339870947
That's what I always try to explain to people, but it seems you said it better.
They all can "Seem" easy, but to actually get the numbers, they all have their challenges.
>>339871587
welp, might as well just kill myself
>>339871292
>still need to max cabbage and lizards
>dol/doh at 50
Hate this step so much, fuck crafters
>>339871732
>sword art online for 1000% immersion
Jk no but mushi shi is nice when gathering in those forests
>>339871732
I watch pro wrestling pod cast.
>>339871593
>>339871641
Welp, I'm itching for a MMO, been playing GW2 lately but the fact that I have all the skills available right of the fucking bat makes me wonder how monotonous the game will be later on.
I even bought an Elder Scrolls Online key very cheap, 15 bucks, the game itself took 85gb to install but looked worse than vanilla Skyrim, what the fuck.
>>339871724
Expert, 50's roulette, PvP roulette, Vanu, Vath, Amaj'aal and Sylphs. And the odd hunt here and there if they get called over the linkshells and i can be bothered to go out and kill it.
But from what ive listed takes only about 2 hours or so a day, which i do before and after i go to and come home from work.
>>339871782
Much better
Jk anon I'm broke too and sad I won't get that cool gnath shawl chest piece for a long time
>>339871573
Wait until the nerf tier
>>339871438
>>339871503
>>339871552
>if you are inside the aoe when the cast ends you are hit
But you're not inside the AoE. That's the entire point. It was exactly the same in 1.0. You could be well clear of the AoE and still get hit and often do, and for no real reason other than shitty game design. Server-side turtle-slow hit detection combined with AoE boxes that will hit you unless you are as far as humanly possible from it when it decides to go off (which is also seemingly random due to the lag.)
If I sound like that guy that dies to landslide it's because the guy that dies to landslide is correct. You're only avoiding landslide because you know it's coming and moving to the opposite end of circular boss arena #104934 pre-emptively. This is a disadvantage to melee because melee need to be in melee range to do damage. What a shocker. Meanwhile ranged DPS can move or just stay out of harms way indefinitely. This is why I said that melee DPS is largely irrelevant in the game unless the developers FORCE you to take melee DPS for dispel, or box you into a fight that requires you to do physical damage instead of magical which (AGAIN) is bad design.
>>339871364
Yeah I know, but the point was simply that it's a more fun job that's not as useful or desired for most things because it's designed for things that aren't in high demand. It's just silly that you're ace in A2 but second fiddle in pretty much everything else.
>>339871732
>still playing this game
>>339871909
You sound like a smart guy
Download the FFXIV trial and see if you like it, but keep in mind the combat is very slow at low levels
>>339872023
at least we have memes
>>339871757
>but it seems you said it better.
And english is not even my mother language. Guess I'm improving it a fucking lot.
>>339871917
MORE
HOLY SHIT
>>339871431
>>339870331
>can't afford a $13 sub
Don't you fuckers have jobs?
>>339872127
I dont have anymore
>>339854769
Gw2 is a thing
>>339871732
What the fuck am I watching. This isn't GuP is it?
>>339872197
lol
>>339872069
Unless those peopel experience what you and I went through, they won't know about needing to "pre-dodge" all the while, as you dodge before an AoE even shows up, they will still call you a sh*tter.
They aren't going to get it through their head.
>>339872069
For the last time retard, play attention tot he cast bar of the enemy. Now you'll never get hit by an AoE ever in your life.
kys for being this bad
>>339872196
I wanted the seinen artstyle with the froppy face.
That was really exciting.
>>339872187
No because the economy in Alberta is shit and nowhere is hiring, even shit like McDonalds isn't
>>339871909
ff is slow as balls early, but once you start hitting 35-40 it picks up, and then you HAVE to perform good rotations at 60, or be an asshole like me and only spam overpower as a tank
![[AK-Submarines] GIRLS und PANZER der FILM v2 [835F8E63].mkv_snapshot_00.08.41_[2016.05.31_14.17.10].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Cr9l0xX.jpg "[AK-Submarines] GIRLS und PANZER der FILM v2 [835F8E63].mkv snapshot 00.08.41 [2016.05.31 14.17.10]")
>>339872235
Movie of the year.
>>339872105
Oh shit waddup!
>>339872257
Yeah but like I said theres no more like that
>>339872069
Dude, I'm from spain. I have fucking 20Mb connection and I was "that guy that dies to landlside" until I git gud, stopped to care about the circle and cared about the cast bar.
Once again, if you are inside the aoe when the cast bar reaches the top you are hit. Doesn't matter if during the animation you move 200000 miles away, you are hit.
If I can kill Titan EX with a fucking pseodo 3rd world connection withouth dying everybody can.
Git fucking gud.
>>339854769
>Why aren't you playing already?
I did and it was boring as fuck. Not to mention the art style was so bland.
>>339872069
>This is why I said that melee DPS is largely irrelevant in the game unless the developers FORCE you to take melee DPS for dispel, or box you into a fight that requires you to do physical damage instead of magical which (AGAIN) is bad design.
No one takes Melee DPS for Dispel or even the physical damage. They bring utility to the group as well as high damage numbers. Thats why the most used party comp for Savage is 2 tanks, 2 healrs, 2 melee DPS, 1 Ranged DPS, and 1 Caster.
>>339872257
Be a part of the tsuyu asui fanclub, she's best girl
>>339872302
>>339872080
I don't even care much about the combat being slow, I just want to feel immersed and have comfy places to explore and chill.
GW2 has amazing soundtrack and maps to explore, a shame everything else feels very mediocre.
who here is on balmung
Im moving there sometime
I'm going to fuck that frog.
>>339872610
Oh shit yea then ff is the best for comfy spaces, they added lighting options to houses and oh my god dim lighting is great, world wide it's all really pretty and you get lost in the scenery
>>339872256
For the last time retard that cast bar is unreliable. It lags because of the shitty servers and even if you're outside the box when it ends you're still likely to get hit.
1.0 players asked specifically for this to be fixed and Yoshi Piss didn't deliver. In-fact he didn't deliver on a lot of promises, but because the game now plays and smells like WoW western critics suck its cock.
>>339872484
You are dodging it pre-emptively and you're required to do so because the server lags and the game engine is shit. Learn to read.
>>339872532
Nah, they bring it because they have to. If melee weren't shoe-horned in you could clear everything very easily with just ranged.
>>339872610
FFXIV is all instanced, but the zones are so huge it's not even a problem
It definitely has amazing atmosphere and probably the best soundtrack out of any MMO
Seriously that shit is tight
>>339872484
not him, but as someone who watches cast bars, and stuns/interupts them, back in 2.0 it didnt matter.
Now its possible to still dodge, even if you waited till the bar is at 90%, due to fixes, but back then, you could move while its at 10%, and still get hit.
THAT is LOOKING at the cast bar, and having decent internet. (Dont have that issue in other MMOs, like Tera, where you need to dodge stuff as a WAR tank)
>>339872658
not allowed
>>339872809
That's right. BACK THEN, but not now.
>>339872807
>walk two steps
>zone into a new instance
HUGE ZONES
>>339872758
Sorry I can't help retards since you're so bad at video games you have to make excuses about everything even though Monk and Dragoon do the most DPS by themselves without anyone catering to them. Name any of the Coil and Savage Fights where you have to bring a Melee DPS. I want to know right now.
>>339872963
Careful who you call a retard, XIV player.
>>339872658
>that feel when you'll never have a real life tsuyu qt
>>339872913
le waking sands meme
>>339872807
>>339872735
Guess I'll buy it then, it's not very expensive and also comes with free 30 days.
Can I pay subs with my Steam wallet? I have almost 150 bucks on it, would be very convenient if I could.
>>339873005
At least I'm not telling lies to make up for the fact I'm an awful player and can't get good.
>>339872608
I tell you whut, I'm gonna put that froppy face on some seinen anime bodies.
>>339873070
Yup
>>339873070
Pretty sure you can.
>>339873070
Honestly dunno, but i know buying the game can be done on steam (but all expansions need to be on steam from now on)
>>339872069
Git fucking gud holy shit
>>339873073
Nobody is lying. If they did fix this it took them over three years to fix it. Pardon me if I'm skeptical but I unsubbed a long time ago.
>>339873070
Don't do it man.
>>339873228
So you don't know shit and talking out of your ass? Good to know
>>339873075
That's the way to do it, attaboy
>>339873224
>move well out of warning circle
>get hit
>git gud
XIV players everyone. They'll literally defend anything. How's Yoshi's tiny yellow cock taste?
>>339873224
Either you need to Git fucking gud at reading comprehension, or Conceptualizing the fact not everyone has the same situations happen to them as you.
>>339873345
That's the old pepper, that's the stuff?
>>339873036
its not even 2 zones at all times, just a loading screen to fuck you
>>339872069
rofl you're a fucking idiot dude
>>339873317
Obviously I know enough to know that melee were useless for 3 years straight, and are probably still useless. Gee why doesn't this game have subs?
>>339873359
I've had that happen, I've also had it happen that I've been inside the telegraph and did not get hit for some reason. Shit like that's going to happen in an online game, but I've never found it to be anything aside from occasional. It doesn't happen nearly enough to where it makes sense for people to complain about it to the extent that I see.
>>339873462
>probably still useless
But anon this isn't 2.0 anymore, melee dps cuck your dps in terms of single target these days
>>339873376
What exactly do you think I have not experienced in 300 levels of playing melee classes on bad internet?
>>339873402
Give her the Ol' toblerone
>>339873462
Like I said name one Coil or Alex turn where Melee was 100% needed or you're literally retarded and making up shit since melee has been used for their DPS. btw you can also link your lodestone if you actually played.
Is it worth it to resub a few days earlier just so i can play the seasonal event that is currently going on?
>>339873718
Might as well, it's a neat little event if you avoid spoilers, and you can always get ready for 3.3 in the downtime anyway. But monday the servers will be down for the day, so keep that in mind
>>339873462
That's why they are 100% required for all content since release, right?
>>339873687
I only have snickers.
>>339873683
Currently looking for a youtube video, where someone had to actually prove that getting out of AoEs, long before the cast bar finishes, still has them getting hit.
Since you're clearly unable to grasp this point.
>>339873718
The only decent reward is the emote and it's a pretty small event but it's mildly interesting I guess.
>>339873809
My main worry is that if i subscribe even a couple of days early i dunno if i would be able to complete the moogle tribe quests before my subscription expired
>>339873598
I'm being nice enough to give you the benefit of the doubt even though people who still play this game are saying that shit like that still happens. The problem is that shit like that is only the tip of the iceberg with this shitbiscuit ToRtanic rerun of a game.
>>339873698
>>339873853
There was that one fight where things were invulnerable to magic and physical in coil. If it weren't for shitty gimmicks like these you'd never need to bring melee. It was like turn 5 or 6 or something. Requiring you to take melee is basically them saying "we know we fucked up but we're going to require you to take these classes because otherwise nobody would ever take them." It eliminates agency which - again - is bad design.
can I play this game if I never played a final fantasy before
>>339873985
>There was that one fight where things were invulnerable to magic and physical in coil.
That excuse isn't gonna work since you can just bring Bards and Tanks for that retard.
>>339874083
This would be the worst game to introduce yourself to final fantasy with.
>>339873683
Not the same video, but it shows him out of the AoE when the cast bar is still only 60% full.
https://youtu.be/Wbaqy_rUxys
>>339873915
Yeah and I've had that happen when I'm lagging like a motherfucker too. The same fucking thing would happen if I was dodging animations or whatever it is you want.
>>339873985
Nothing of that kind in Turn 5 or 6. Good try though.
>>339874128
Bards were too busy running auras and didn't have enough def / HP and tanks were too busy tanking. You literally needed melee DPS to clear that fight and it was a fucking blunderfuck because of the lag.
>>339874230
Which is why I said "or something." Sorry, I didn't memorize turns. The other anon knows what I'm talking about, why don't you?
>>339874225
Except other games handle it better.
I can play FPS and have no issue doging attacks, I can play action MMOs, and have no issue dodging.
And with WoW's client side hit detection, I've had no issues dodging attacks.
Like stated before, its been improved at some point after 2.2 but before 3.0
"Git gud" doesnt actually mean shit, other than the person saying it is retarded.
>>339874151
Yea, he should play FFXIII instead.
>>339874471
That would be the second worst.
>>339874403
>Bards were too busy running auras and didn't have enough def / HP and tanks were too busy tanking. You literally needed melee DPS to clear that fight and it was a fucking blunderfuck because of the lag.
AHAHAHAHAHA. This clearly shows you haven't played the game. Kill yourself.
>>339874184
are you implying that's the norm and not some third worlder with a 2 mbps connection?
>>339874448
>I can play FPS and have no issue doging attacks
Funny because I die the instant after I get in cover in FPS all the time
>"Git gud" doesnt actually mean shit, other than the person saying it is retarded.
>being this mad
>>339874527
>This clearly shows you haven't played the game.
Is this where you fail to explain why?
>>339874184
Not everyone is in Australia
>WoW Killed
wew laddy
>>339874559
Not him but yes.
>>339873876
Looks like you're gonna lose her
>>339874691
you'd be wrong
>>339873985
Listen here, retard. Melee dps have always been good and desired. They always will be, just like casters and bards/mch. They all bring something to the table.
The lag in the game barely effects melee dps, if anything it hurts casters more. The lag is present, yes. But melee is the least likely to be effected
>>339854769
I'll admit I'm kinda tempted to resub.
BLM at level 60 was some of the best gameplay I've ever had
>>339874786
see
>>339874184
Now imagine melee dealing with this at all times, while keeping in mind that they can't deal damage at range.
>>339873985
>don't need melee
Why don't we just take tanks out of the game and make it a range fest
>>339874596
RIght here
>Bards were too busy running auras and didn't have enough def / HP and tanks were too busy tanking
Bards should have to to put up Foe which you put up around the start and middle end of a fight. The rest you're doing DPS. P.S Foe doesn't decrease your damage like Mages Ballad.
Same with Tanks. There is Offtank which what usually grabs the adds so DPS don't have to. Not to mention you can replace the Bard with another tank since we don't have any melee DPS anyways
>B-but mages ballad
any healer worth their shit isn't gonna need it if the team is good. If they DO need it its was only 3 seconds of casting before going right back to DPS. Then turn it off after the WHM gets enough Mana back which takes about 30 seconds.
Like i said, Kill yourself
>>339874184
Probably a EU player.
Eu servers were located in Canada or something before 3.0 so it was laggy as fuck for most European players. They moved them to Europe a few months ago and now it's fine.
>Mor Dhona growing into a city ultimately goes nowhere meaningful and its development is discarded as soon as HW hits
>the same thing will happen to Idylshire
It all feels so hollow
>>339874559
>>339874648
Not the person in the video, but I lived in the US, and have 3Mbps, still no issue dodging attacks in other games, but did in FFXIV.
Even with 1Mbps, you can still dodge attacks in other games just fine.
They made it server side, and assume everyone runs with perfect connections like a lot of eastern MMO players.
How do I have fun in this game
>>339856225
>Post Cata WoW isn't a singleplayer MMO
>Sit in your fucking garrison the game
>>339875036
>3mbps
no fucking shit it's laggy you moron
starving kids in africa have better internet than you, jesus christ
>>339874951
Because tanks are locked to a tank role. STR Warriors know what I'm talking about.
>>339874976
>mage ballad
>any healer worth their shit isn't gonna need it if the team is good
And what about magic dps
>>339875036
>he thinks download speed has literally fucking anything to do with this
>>339870972
Thank WoW.
>>339875116
that picture always depresses the shit out of me
>>339874714
It's literally 8''3/4ths
a toblerone is like 12-13 inches.
>>339875138
I still have 3Mbps, and dodge the AoEs just fine now. Don't even have to worry about them getting to 90% and late dodging either.
Don't delude yourself into thinking you need more speed than that.
2.0 was a mess, and 2.0 beta was even worse.
>>339875307
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that 3.0 is a mess too.
>>339875218
STR warrior was fun, kind of fucked up healers towards the end in 3.0 and 3.1, but pushing bigger numbers then most bards was hilarious
>>339874184
I raise you T13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrlovhOUqIE
Its an AoE Heavy Fight where no Melee DPS has to be there.
>>339863221
iirc Balmung is full of shitter RPers
>>339875475
ERPers.
>>339875435
>UI and floating numbers take up 50% of the screen
>the other 50% is white and neon flashing
JUST
>>339869816
Yeah, in HW you get some OGCDs to press on cooldown
And Tornado Kick, which people are unclear on whether it's advisable to use in any situation besides "you're going to lose GL3 anyway for whatever reason so sacrifice it for a big fuck you"
>>339875435
>actually engaging someone who thinks that all AoEs are boss centered on this level
>>339875218
>And what about magic dps
You really just did hammer the final nail int he coffin. You have no idea how the magic casters work in this game. ahahaha. You still haven't showed us your lodestone. OH WAIT YOU CAN'T. Ahahaha.
>>339875568
you can customize the UI however you want
that guy did a really shitty job
I mean what the fuck
>>339875435
Except, you know, the better damage overall when compared to blms, smns, and brds.
>>339875401
For me, no, but I do get occasional lag spikes, and on occasion, it can cause a wipe for the group.
(All the more reason I still think the game should have client side dodging at least)
>>339875435
Hate to break it to you, but I'm not the guy saying melee are useless.
I'm just fighting about the dodge issue not being a "git gud" problem.
>>339875593
You know I was actually taking that to be about DRG for some reason, which now has some wacky uptime mechanic of its own to keep track of.
I leveled MNK to 55 and then realized I was still bored to fuck.
>>339875708
Actually MNK did the most damage in that turn. BLM did trump them in T8 though if they didn't get assigned to do any mechanics.
>>339870624
>I fucked up and lost Enochian
100% accurate, can confirm
>>339875681
And this is where you fail to explain why I'm wrong just like last time. Don't ask for my lodestone. Just argue points. I know it's hard to defend this failure of a reboot but if you're going to try at least do it right.
>>339875735
Or they could have made a good MMO in the first place.
BRD and MCH have a comparable DPS output
MCH slightly edges it out due to fight design in this raid tier and hypercharge being a bit more valuable for a normal comp
Most complaints about BRD were "the playstyle is clunky"
So what do they do?
JUST BUFF THE DAMAGE 5% LMAO
>>339874184
No lag here guys.
>>339875939
This one you'd legit know why you would be wrong. Its a fucking main mechanic to BOTH classes. I'm not explaining anything that somebody who has actually played the game would know. Liek I said I would liek to see that lodestone so you can prove that you actually played the game.
>>339875939
>dude look at me I'm trolling this thread without even playing the game holy shit I am so ebin
Dude get a real hobby or masturbate yourself to death or something.
>>339854769
>Behold, the WoW Killer.
>That music
It's a good time to be alive.
>>339875939
You obviously already know "good" is subjective, and I don't need to explain that.
While I dont find the game perfect, it tends to have the "most" features I want in an MMO.
(And it still leaves me wanting, which is why I haven't stayed subbed to it)
So I still put it into the "good" category, but not "good enough" category as well.
>>339876068
If you're going to claim your game is a WoW killer you should probably expect someone to reel you back in to reality.
>>339875306
That's like 3" 1/4ths you could have used to save her
>>339875939
not him but you're not even worth arguing with because you're spouting such asinine retardation that it's pretty obvious you haven't touched the game for more than 2 hours and you're just looking for an excuse to keep shitposting
don't even bother replying, we both know I'm right
Please how do I enjoy this game
>>339874184
>user name is some ting bong name
Nice shill china
>>339876117
>You obviously already know "good" is subjective
Really debatable. Poop is not good food. Someone may like to eat poop but that doesn't mean poop is good food.
>>339876203
Notice how you can't explain how I'm wrong.
>>339876283
Uninstall and play something better.
>>339876018
The playstyle is clunky because Wanders Minuet and Gauss Barrel.
Literally the worst thing to ever happen.
>>339876341
Notice how you don't know whats wrong. You'd know right off the bat why Casters don't need Ballad at all.
>>339875435
>That music
>That phase transition
I might actually sub if all the raids are that cool.
>>339875036
Bullshit I would play on 1.5mbps and the only time I was hit by aoes was when I couldn't git gud
>>339876439
I don't know man, I seem to remember someone needing auras.
>>339876018
I don't understand why they did that. There was the whole issue of MCH just really being underpowered than the rest of them, fixed it, and now they buff BRDs up???
>>339876480
Sadly Alexander will never be as cool as Coil.
>>339876018
you can't just remove MW without reworking everything else unfortunately, all of BRD's post 50 toolkit revolves around that shit
maybe in 4.0
>>339876480
>all that cool
Yes, they're all in that same circular arena with loud obnoxious music and neon lights.
>>339876283
Make cute grills
>>339876439
can you please stop feeding that retard
>>339876506
>was when I couldn't git gud
You mean "dodge pre-emptively"
>>339874184
>>339876517
You're right, Casters need Army's Paeon for TP since the spells they cast use TP. (Telekinesis Points)
>>339876283
Prey on people's irl social
>>339858214
Dunefolk Lalafell because I'm autistic about my BLM DPS, but also because I'm autistic.
>>339876704
>You're right
Glad we agree, finally.
>>339876694
Nope, I'd sit there when the cast bar finished like a retard because "MUH GL3"
>>339870624
I always enjoy these.
>>339876801
Nice cherry picking there famitsuan
>>339859441
>poses only kick in after 5 seca anyway,
You can change the timer to where you just transition through the idle straight to it.
>>339876341
>Poop is not good food. Someone may like to eat poop but that doesn't mean poop is good food.
In this example, while sorta true, it's using the word "good" in the "It is beneficial" definition, while the prior example was being used in the "enjoyable/likable" definition.
Granted I didn't specify, and nor did you, so technically you can still be correct.
>>339876907
>>339876957
I don't need to cherry pick to show how shit XIV is. It's child's play.
>>339876902
My favorite was always the sch one where you sic eos on a teammate, afk, and get commendations
>>339877082
works 100% in dungeons up to level 30
>>339877013
>I child
Glad we finally agree on something
>>339877006
It's the perfect analogy. XIV players eat poop. They think poop is good even though it's toxic. They themselves become toxic cancer by eating said poop (see: /xivg/ and Balmung.)
>>339877082
Don't have that particular one, but enjoy all the same.
>>339877173
It's unnerving playing mnk in instances roulettes, feels like a vacation getting synced down to only spamming bootshine and true strike compared to the faceroll it is now
>>339877184
>glad
ally we i some agree ting fin
>>339876572
Midas is cool enough. It's just completely different and cool in it's own way. That brute justice fight and theme...
>>339876517
If you can't even name a simple mechanic like that, you obviously never played at the level where your opinion or knowledge on the game means shit.
Healers need the ballad, no casters need mages since they can regen their MP in their own way.
Melee are always needed because they bring better damage over all, on top of their LB being better overall for single target damage on the bosses which can skip entire phases.
You don't understand the basic fundamentals about how roles work, what makes you think that what you have to say on the game has any merit what so ever
>>339877295
Good news I found it
>>339877337
>a
TUNGA BUNGA
>>339877456
>Melee are always needed because they bring better damage over all
This is incorrect because lag and some fights requiring you to run back and forth between targets. Gimmicks like LB and "immune to magic damage" and pure tank and spank are the only reason to ever take melee.
>>339877417
btw are those robots goblin tech or some sort of alex self defense system? I just don't get it
>>339877771
Alex tech taken over by the Gobbies.
>>339877819
>I SHALL SHOW YOU MY TRUE FORM
I've been shitting on this game all thread. I came up with a good question though. You can change jobs in the middle of a dungeon now, right? Can you roll on whatever loot your current job is or is it still only the job you entered with?
>>339877724
That's why melee have gap closers, you dumb fucking faggot. Even then, casters will have to move and interrupt their casts. I guess that makes them shit in your crosseyes too. The delay of lag effects everyone the same way, its just not magically melee only. Casters can get fucked just as hard as melee when it comes to it.
Melee DPS will always beat out casters 3/4 floors of every tier. Casters will only really shine in AOE situations, even then melee AOEs aren't bad.
>>339878197
>You can change jobs in the middle of a dungeon now, right?
No.
>>339878197
no, you're locked into your job when you queue up
you can still change jobs and do stuff but once your queue pops you have to go back to your old job to join
>>339878216
he's seriously throwing the shittiest bait he can and you're still falling for it
>>339878216
>That's why melee have gap closers
Which have cooldowns.
>casters have to move and interrupt casts
Bards don't.
>the lag affects everyone equally
But some are more equal than others.
So are the fights just totally tank and spank now or did they just buff melee damage that much?
>>339878285
>>339878317
dead game
>>339878464
>Bards don't.
lmao
post lodestone
Still no heavensward promotion
>>339878541
So you're saying bards need to stand still? Post lodestone.
>>339870342
>not Infantry set
>>339878558
There was one a month or so ago
>>339878621
Yes they do since HW you fucking moron
>>339878690
>bards outdamage melee
>hmm how can we fix this
>make them stand still!
Dead game.
>>339878621
>What is Wanderers Minuet and EmpArrow
>What is Gauss Barrel
Level 50 detected.
>>339878803
I quit after coil.
Tempted to resub
Another thread ruined by shitposters and the fucking retards who can't resist bait.
Kill yourselves, seriously. The general is better than this shit.
>>339877724
well you bring NIN for Trick Attack
>>339878803
>>339878690
WM/GB cast time is 1.5s so you have an entire second of movement every GCD.
Plus procs.
Plus you can take WM/GB off and move if you really need to without having a significant damage falloff.
Unlike you know, actual casters (and even then only really BLM).
>>339878880
After Twin, I should say.
>>339878923
Don't.
>>339878936
Found the furry.
>>339870624
I never understood john madden, is it just when you mess up your rotation and just use random skills until you get it together?
>>339878647
But the infantry set looks pretty bland.
>>339878992
Still a second you need to remain still.
>>339879138
You just go crazy with it.
>>339878936
Is this bait?
>>339874184
>>339879138
It's when you fuck up your "good" rotation and have to use a "bad" rotation till you get what you fucked up. In the BLM example is using the Fire 1 + lighting spam till enochian is again up.
>>339879146
>baller-ass black cape
>(why aren't you wearing the dyable version)
>rad skirt
>dem boots
YOU'RE bland
>>339879138
it's an old meme from one of those for WoW Druid
>60 roulette as SCH
>Check parse at the end
>Top dps
>(You)
Help me
Best raid party
>PLD
>BLM
>BLM
>AST (only spread ewer burn everything else)
>BLM
>BRD (only have foes or mages)
>MCH (bishop on mp regen)
>BLM
>needed a second healer, just don't get hit faggot
>needing an off tank, if you're not getting hit the AST only needs to heal the tank bro
We got Sephi to phase 2 so I know what I'm talking about.
>>339880220
Replace PLD with another BLM, melees can't hit the boss because of the lag.
>>339880220
>not a clear
>have to complete all of the moogle sidestory quests in churning mists to unlock the dailies
My weekend will be suffering
>>339880378
What's the difference between a tank and a DPS, right? There can't be any possible difference.
>taunt / provoke
>AoE that targets the DPS and not the tank
Nope, no difference here.
>>339854769
>WoW killer
But that's WoW.
>>339880220
Novel, how did you guys plan to deal with double towers?
>>339870624
This rotation is shit. Does this fucker have no spell speed or what?
>[3.0] A command to toggle the display of the machinist's gauss barrel has been added.
Oh ne-
>* Please note the gauss barrel will still be displayed for other players.
ONE JOB
>>339880835
AST can LB3 or something. I don't know, it's not my job to think about mechanics, I'm a DPS.
>>339880868
That rotation is how exactly you play BLM
>>339880926
PS3 limitations~
>skim through /xivg/ hoping for discussion on the patch
That was a mistake.
I'm glad /v/ threads are a thing.
NIN AOE BUFF BOYS
>>339881037
That's way too lazy. Only six fire ivs in the opener? You a shit blm if you use that.
>>339880868
Looks like it was made prior to 3.2 when Astral/Umbral was only 10 seconds. With the Astral/Umbral buff and crafted i220s, any raid-ready BLM should easily be able to fit 3 FIV and an F1 in a single Astral.
>my face when I don't meet the minimum ilevel for Final Steps of Faith
>>339881172
Well maybe if the fucking Bard would start using his fucking mana for something instead of fucking aoe dpsing a raid boss I might cast more spells.
>>339876902
>Mutilate before Shadow Fang
RUINED
>>339881297
Just drop one item or two from Sor Khai and Weeping City of Mach and you'll be fine. Nidhogg trial is probably at the very end of the main questline anyway.
That Gnath armor is perfect for Ninjas. I never played rogue/ninja though.
>>339881835
As a NIN main I'm prepared to spend a small fortune to get that set if necessary, it's amazing.
Gives me a reason to glamour Hive daggers again too.
>>339882008
They sell mounts for 120k. That's about what I'd expect to pay.
>>339881167
So you can't stand talking to the people who play this game?
>>339880220
>Not instapicking SCH
Shit list
>>339882119
If ERPing in Ul'dah and creating high school drama is considered playing the game, yeah.
I miss when Diadem was kind of fun.
>>339881167
/xiv/ should be permabanned at this point.
>tfw all your mains are already overpowered and will never get buffs
It hurts to never get new toys.
>>339882119
>/xivg/
>playing the game
The game is merely a platform for their cringy RP and internet drama.
>>339856370
the third one from left to right, for what job is that armor set?, please tell me its for PLD
BIG FISHING NIGGERS ITS FUCKING BACK IM SO EXCITED
>>339882239
>>339882335
But that's XIV's player base.
>>339882290
>Diadem was boring but useful
>Square nerfs the useful part
ok yoshi
>>339882386
I'm 90% sure it's the tank set but it could also be the DRG set.
What's going to be the top DPS class in the new patch?
>>339882290
What is this "diadem" thing? What quest should I do to do it?
>>339882119
Call me when they start playing the game
>>339882495
MNK
>>339882495
BLM all year every year, as per usual
>>339882452
I mean, my FC alone has 7 A8S clearing statics.
People out there do actually play the game, /vg/ is simply the worst place to discuss it.
>>339882495
Same as always, NIN.
Trick Attack, Goad and Shadewalker are too much to pass up.
BRD and MCH are gonna be pretty balanced, SMN and BLM too.
DRG is a bit ahead of MNK though.
>>339882495
Still MNK and BLM
BRD is getting QoL to bring them in line with MCH, but their damage is still going to be on par with them. NIN is only getting buffs to AoE damage.
>>339882465
It truly was a mistake. Now It's only useful for potionmaking and relic. They also decided not to update its relevance for 3.3.
>>339854769
Because I'm not a weebshitter like most of you here subbed.
Because I'm someone who can actually be good at videogames, unlike everyone here.
Because I noticed since 2.3, its the same carrot raid bullshit, and even more pandering to faggots who cannot do endgame to give them gear just below the top raid gear.
Because I noticed they still haven't delivered on promises since launch, like UI modification or other bullshit.
Because I noticed how small zones still are, even in HW, and how lifeless and unfufilled instanced bullshit is.
Because I noticed how fucking retarded the community that latched on to this, when it wasn't nearly that full of shitters or cancer before 2.0, even if you want to pull that no one was playing it, at least shitters could listen and not drop party and then go jerk off with another LFR/LFP queue.
Because I noticed the "modern WoW" enhancements like the queueing system being more detrimental than ever.
Because it's shit.
>>339882556
>MNK
Anon, don't lie on the internet.
>m-muh parse
>stop looking at overall raid dps that doesn't count
>>339882645
>Because I noticed since 2.3
>not 2.0
>>339882656
I don't play MNK, I just thought that by top DPS he meant the job who parses highest.
>>339882469
fuck I hope not, it looks fucking rad, im tired of the shitty looking ifrit set, whose idea was to put a mother fucking cleavge to a male armor set, thats just ultimate laziness
>>339882119
>he doesn't know
lucky you
>>339882592
NIN damage sucks
>>339882638
I hope they aren't updating it because they're planning on an overhaul.
Make it like Sky or Abyssea in terms of popping things and getting gear from it.
The random stats have to go, dropping relevant gear is fine but getting gear with 4 maxed out stats because you're luckier than everyone else isn't okay.
>>339882656
Parses don't mean anything.
>>339882856
>NIN damage sucks
Dude, what
NIN personal damage is just barely short of MNK/DRGs in favor of Trick Attack being dropped during everyones burst phases and Shadewalker allowing your tank to pull in DPS stance, and NIN bursts like a motherfucker.
How do I find a decent raiding guild?
>>339882935
>Parses don't mean anything.
Excuse me?
>>339883230
Be good at your job, sociable and join PF groups for anything.
My FC has a ton of people looking for something to do at all times, so we'll all just fill up a Thordan or Sephi farm or some Midas Savage clears for fun and we tend to meet and recruit people that way.
>>339883261
The only thing they're useful for is finding out who fucked up. If you're posting parse numbers after every fight you're using it wrong.
>>339883537
That has literally nothing to do with what we're talking about
The point is MNK will have a higher personal parse, and a NIN will amount to a higher raid parse - overall, worth more DPS.
What the fuck are you honestly going on about?
>>339882763
If I simplified any further, I'd have more people wanting to lynch me and tell me 1.0 "died for a reason".
1.18-1.22, where did all that hope and promise and content go?
>>339883651
I'm saying you're using DPS parse wrong. It's only useful to find out who is screwing up. If you're posting it after every fight you're using it wrong. You're probably not even reading it correctly.
>>339883670
Yoshi P. lied and ignored the feedback of legacy players.
>>339883789
>I'm saying you're using DPS parse wrong
Are you fucking retarded?
How is determining the value of a job wrong?
Please stop posting.
How long will it take me to get geared for this new raid? I haven't played in about a year.
>>339883789
>>Yoshi P. lied and ignored the feedback of legacy players.
And to think, I tried to tell all the newfags who shill this piece of crap since Beta (since Alpha was only for Legacy, iirc?) that Yoshi didn't do anything good or decent for this game.
It was still Tanaka that made the latter patches great with his team before he got the boot. He just got too overboard at launch, using A) Crystal Tools, which was a horrible idea and B) Making the game super hard when it came to the basics, almost pre-EQ/FFXI days, when it came to crafting/getting new gear/maintaining gear.
>>339883947
It wont take you long, but you probably missed out on any enjoyment you'd get from Midas.
Any group you join now is going to be late on clears simply because they aren't good and need to get carried by welfare gear.
Next one isn't too far away though and the game is simply made to help people catch up.
>>339883915
>How is determining the value of a job wrong?
If you clear the boss everyone did their job. If you didn't clear the boss you can open up the parse and see who isn't doing enough damage. That's the only usefulness to a DPS parse. That and e-peen, which isn't very useful at all.
>>339884135
isn't there a new one coming in this patch or whatever?
>>339883973
Tanaka mainly stayed in his office and read manga instead of making a game that ran on the PS3.
>>339884179
>If you clear the boss
Okay, so show me your A8S clears with your special snowflake setup because it doesn't matter and DPS checks aren't real or anything.
>>339884194
This patch is bringing a 24 man which isn't a difficult progression based raid, 24 mans are much more casual.
>>339883947
Depending on how time you want to spend playing each day, up to a week.
>>339884194
There's two types of raids. The full raids (24 player alliances) that are released every odd patch, and the 8-man instances that are released on the even-numbered patches.
Midas was/is a lot of fun because of the progression groups, and in general the 8-man instances are a lot more enjoyable than the clusterucks that are the alliance raids.
>you will never full wipe to J Kick with a bunch of undergeared idiot friends again
>>339884382
SE learned their lesson after Labyrinth. Even one year later, people still can't coordinate the Atmos.
>>339884382
Well how long until the next good raid is coming out? I only resubbed because I thought the raid coming out in this patch was a normal raid.
>WoW killer
lmao
Wait til Legion comes up, this game will be more dead
>>339884301
If it's a DPS check and you're not clearing the boss then clearly using a parse to find out who isn't doing enough damage is a good way to finally clear the fight.
>raid wipes at 20%
>open parse
>"why did you do less damage than this other guy xXxSephirothxXx?"
>"healer didn't top me off before aoe"
>okay, let's fix that
If you clear the boss and you're posting a parse then you're not using the parse correctly.
>literally have to reboot the game to play more like WoW
More like WoW-clone killer
>>339884562
>"why did you do less damage than this other guy xXxSephirothxXx?"
reported
>>339884515
Next big patch, 3.4.
Few months away at least, I believe.
>>339884562
It's hilariously obvious you don't raid, and it sounds like you're afraid of friendly competition between DPS.
>>339884835
>It's hilariously obvious you don't raid, and it sounds like you're afraid of friendly competition between DPS.
I raided hardcore in vanilla WoW. In other words I was part of the group that invented that shit. And I mean that literally. My guild leader literally wrote a script for a damage parse before anyone else.
>>339885023
And we didn't post it after every fight to show who has the biggest damage e-peen. We posted it to find out who died, who wasn't healing, who wasn't dealing enough damage, who went afk. If you're not using it for that then you're not using it correctly, and you're probably reading it wrong too.
>>339885023
>my leader did this thing so I'm relevant
DPS checks weren't remotely an issue in WoW at any point in the same manner they are in XIV
It isn't a matter of "DPS is alive and doing things so we can clear, more DPS means we clear faster"
A lot of groups struggle with the enrage timer in 7 and 8, and a proper job setups greatly helps to alleviate the issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ForHMX-xs
This song is so comfy.
>>339885140
>And we didn't post it after every fight to show who has the biggest damage e-peen
You act like there's something inherently wrong with wanting to be better than those around you.
You're pretty beta if you're afraid of comparing your DPS to someone elses honestly.
>>339885198
Best starting town, best market area, best GC.
Are the others even trying?
>>339885165
>DPS checks weren't remotely an issue in WoW
There were a lot of DPS check fights in vanilla. At least one per raid.
As long as you have enough DPS classes it shouldn't be an issue of what job to bring, since XIV is pretty hands-off about group set up aside from trinity and shoehorning physical / magical damage into some fights.
>>339885306
>You act like there's something inherently wrong with wanting to be better than those around you.
I'm acting like you don't know how to use a parse. People who post parse in XIV normally only do it when they're top damage and somehow forget to do it when they're not. I could have posted my best damage in vanilla every single fight if I wanted to, but I wasn't an idiot. I knew it didn't matter so long as we cleared.
>>339885341
I started in Ul'dah and I regret it. Limsa Lominsa is definitely the best town.
dead game dead thread
Daily reminder that WIPING= FUN
If you are doing Primal ex fights and old content unsynced, with echo or with the max ilv possible you are a fag and should play WOW.
>>339885341
>best starting town
lol no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf4m56zzQaE
I bought FFXVI for no reason then...?
>>339885341
Ul'dah would be best if only it had the arcanist guild. at least the smn 50-60 quests are there.
>>339885571
Yeah, I'm sure you never wipe.
>>339885482
The thread is literally at the post limit and still going
>>339885571
But I did that all back in the day, and am doing relevant now instead
stop making me want to resub
I should be doing more important shit like getting a new job
>>339885794
>wanting to eat shit
>>339885684
relevant content
fuck
>think I do pretty good as a Monk but I'm usually middling DPS
>take suggestion from linkshell friend to NOT use Tornado Kick
>mfw my trials lately
Goddamn I feel like a moron but I'm glad I finally realized what I've been doing wrong this whole time.
>>339885980
You were just using Tornado Kick off cooldown?
Holy shit dude
>>339885980
You were playing outside the box? Holy shit dude.
>>339885678
I do, a lot, hence the WIPING= FUN
>>339886063
>outside the box
Objectively bad, throwing stacks away
Yeah it's bad
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