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Why the hate?
The RPG elements have been stripped bare to the point where the game is basically just an open world FPS with bad writing.
No innovation, same clunky feeling, same engine
so the fuck what? This isn't hypothetical. There ARE mods that make the game better and solve literally all of the problems people in this thread are whining about. Fix the problems with a few minutes effort, then play the game the way you want to play it and enjoy it.
But no, you're mindset is "NO! I WANTED IT TO WORK MY WAY OUT OF THE BOX! BETHESDA IS LAZY!!!!"
Because it was a step back.
>>339852879
Because the cover of F4 is the fucking same as F3 but zoomed in and the color/lighting is different.
>>339853059
This is too small to become a copypasta desu famalam
>>339853059
please try to bait harder, anon. I know fallout threads are free (you)s lately, but have some standards
>>339853059
>it's okay to make shitty games and let the community fix it
Please kill yourself immediately.
>>339852879
Because a sequel is supposed to add more features and remove the unnecessary, not reduce the number of quests from your previous game in the franchise and deliver a product with the least you can get away with.
Pic related, these are ALL the Fo4 quests, even the shitty miscellaneous ones.
>>339852879
Poor FPS masquerading as an RPG.
>>339852879
because bethesda is irredeemable trash and you are a legitimate retard if you enjoy any of their games
>>339853312
For Comparison, here is Skyrim, who people were already complaining about removing too much. They literally did more 4 years ago that in their "most ambitious game" as it was hyped.
>>339853236
>>339853254
>>339853286
Yes. Yes it is absolutely ok to make a game that not everyone will absolutely fucking love, and then make it possible (unlike essentially everyone else in the whole industry) to modify that game to your heart's content.
The first player made free to share mod system that works on consoles ever. What a lazy shit developer they are.... for fuck's sake you people are backward.
>>339853059
Is there a mod that adds a proper karma system?
With that and a full fallout3/NV style chat box I might give the game a second chance
>>339853540
Still too small to become a copypasta desu
>>339852879
- no holster
- shit color scheme (fuck bethesda for listening to its 'fans' on this one. ''more color'' isn't always right, and it pretty much yanked the atmosphere that 3 and NV had out of the overworld)
- voice overs were a fucking mistake and their implementation was the most likely reason that rpg options got canned
>>339852879
Why the bait?
>>339853641
The 26 mods I'm running for FO4 on my Xbox One work exactly as they should. So... yeah, they do - within days of releasing the first system of its kind
>yes
>no
>question
>sarcasm
this is why fallout 4 is terrible. alot of the story falls flat, factions fall flat, there are no real dynamic choices. all endings end the same. the most linear fallout game to date.
>>339853440
They literally cut half of Skyrim to meet that 11/11/11 gimmick.
The Civil War was supposed to be an actual war involving all holds instead of the one fight for Whiterun.
Also everything about the fucking thieves guild is fucking garbage and guess who wrote it
>>339853724
>all the fuckers defending the voiced protagonist after E3
>>339854013
fucking christ this was a terrible decision. this fallout really just killed all the fallout hype to come for a long time for me
>>339853845
>26 mods
>26
Woah there, easy, don't go too wild! You might actually hit 10% of a PC mod load order
>>339853992
I'm not defending skyrim here, I do think they missed many things that could have been there. I'm just pointing out how Bethesda is one of the few game companies that introduces less and less in the sequels.
>>339853286
That's the only reason people like New Vegas. By itself that game is horribly broken and one of the worst rated FOs
Everything in the game is shallow.
I still somewhat enjoy the game, but all they needed to do was expand on Fallout 3, instead they stripped it down.
There's also far too much combat, I don't feel like exploring because every new place I find will just be a room full of enemies with a ramdomized weapon that are mostly shit.
Valentine was wasted on this game.
>>339854013
>it will be fine!
>theres literally no difference except it is voiced now!
>they just cut out useless options or made them sub options now!
God damn they were delusional
>>339853059
Is there a mod that makes the dialog more than
>Yes
>Sarcastic Yes
>More information
>I'll come back to say yes later
>>339853059
>Basically Skyrimjob
Apologise for your fuckery
>>339854182
Spent all day yesterday building a vault in game on console - something I've wanted to do for 8 years since FO3. But yeah, the over 1000 mods added since Tuesday are ALL weapon mods... sure
>>339854456
No, they would have to literally rewrite and revoice the dialog.
They do change it so you can actually see what is going to be said though.
So are they going to try and force a voiced protag in the next TES?
There is no way they would be that stupid, not to mention they would need different voice actors to account for the playable races.
Unless they either force you into a single race, or do the fucking retarded thing and give every race the same voice.
>>339854013
>>339854172
What's wrong with the voice protagonist? It's better than just silence
>buying an RPG game because shooting is fun
God damn it I just can't wrap my head around this
>>339854629
considering that they always recycle their most retarded features from one game to the next, the surefire bet would be yes
>>339852879
1) less RPG
2) less Western
3) Todd Howard
More or less, but that's not how I think about it. But if you were expecting F1/2/NV on an updated engine, your expectation was met with a whole lot of not those three.
To me, it's a case of people clamoring for something different, then getting something different, then disliking it and returning to wanting more of the same.
I don't get caught up in the bitter usomad train on games, life's too short for console wars, or getting jimmies rustled by something that's only a game. That's time better spent talking about and enjoying games you do get fun from.
>>339854629
It wouldn't mind me of a show is getting a bit more focuse. I pretty much played as a nord Skyrim anyway since that is the Canon choice
>>339854385
>By itself that game is horribly broken and one of the worst rated FOs
>>339852879
It's shallow and uninteresting
>>339854629
>Implying they won't change race options to Nord, orc, cat, and elf
>>339852995
>>339853013
>>339853312
Bethesda seems to want to do the absolute bare minimum nowadays, and why not? People will buy it anyway.
>>339853724
>- shit color scheme (fuck bethesda for listening to its 'fans' on this one. ''more color'' isn't always right, and it pretty much yanked the atmosphere that 3 and NV had out of the overworld)
You're wrong about this.
>>339853059
Until 20 minutes ago mods weren't on consoles.
Prior to that
30% played on PC with access to mods.
70% played on consoles with no access to mods.
Keep telling yourself mods are what make Bethesda successful.
>>339854669
part of the fallout/skyrim universe is using your imagination and creating your own experience. using a voice protagonist creates more stream lined thought. this is how your character talks. before you would read the voice in your head as you or whatever voice you made. made it feel more like an rpg instead of this bullshit that came out thats so stream-lined it hurts.
>>339854828
>NV fans so delusional they pair it up with 1 and 2.
NV was shooter trash too kid.
I hated the voiced main character, I hated the dumbed down dialogue options, I hated the lack of none player made settlements, I hated the storyline, I hated the fixed player background, I hated the lack of inhabited vaults, I hated the radiant quests, I hated the factions, I hated the Railroad whining, I hated the Minutemen begging for help whilst doing nothing, I hated the BoS leader being an emo, I hated the building, I hated the tiny Emerald City, I hated the lack of different ammo types, I hated the ripped off borderlands-esque legendary weapons, I hated the lack of unique looking unique weapons, I hated the lack of weapon variety being replaced by the weapon building, I hated the gimping of automatics, I hated the lack of memorable characters, I hated the lack of unique dialogue options related to S.P.E.C.I.A.L. and perks, I hated hastily tacked on female character and I hated the quests which generally needed you to just kill everyone.
Still I love exploring and have put 100+hours into it.
Good timesink, terrible game.
>>339854669
>Want to roleplay
>Instead forced in the shoes of a worrying mother/father with shit-tier voice actors
>mfw they probably put more effort into the robot saying your name once than finding actually good actors
>>339854669
Voice protagonists in rpg's generally means less dialog, less options, and less roleplaying.
In something like the Witcher or Mass Effect it can work, but a game like Elder Scrolls or Fallout that tries to be more of an open sandbox it just harms it.
THERE ARE NO FUCKING SKILLCHECKS IN THIS GAME
HOW CAN ANYONE IGNORE THAT?
NONE OF YOUR STATS AFFECT ANYTHING ABOUT HOW CHARACTERS REACT TO YOU
THE INSTITUTE ALWAYS THINKS YOU ARE A RETARD EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE 10 INTELLIGENCE
AND YOU CAN HAVE 1 INT AND YOU ARE STILL GOING TO BE THEIR FUCKING LEADER
FALLOUT 4 IS JUST SO ABSOLUTELY FUCKING AWFUL
>>339854886
3 got a MetaCritic score of 91
NV got 82
4 got 87
Communily NewVegas is considered the worst of
Voiced Protagonist
Protag's VA is fucking terrible to boot
Speech Wheel
HATE NEWSPAPERS
No Skills
No Karma
Terrible press X to SHAAAUUUN story
Settlement building does nothing to affect the game's world or story - just a shoehorned gimmick for more padding
Pipe weapons
Preston
>>339854629
They'll have a male and female voice and that'll be it.
Argonians and Khajiit will sound like Imperials.
>>339855460
By who?
>>339855027
So I take it you don't like Fallout games at all?
>>339855460
>metacritic
stop
>>339855452
Theres 3 skill checks in the base game and more in FH
>>339855027
Why do people even like Fallout 1 so much?
Its like half of a game its just so fucking tiny and limited.
>>339855452
rofl i havent played this game since the month it came out, just another reason this one was so shit.
Why does Beth always put a mysterious faction of strangely well armed and supplied evil mercenaries in their Fallouts that aren't an actual faction and cannot be wiped out and are all shoot on sight
>>339855627
Ignore anyone who uses the kid ad hominem. They're just baiting.
>>339852879
I never enjoyed New Vegas mainly because of the outdated shooting mechanics and strong RPG elements. Fallout 4 seems like a game I could actually enjoy.
The reasons you dislike this game are reasons to like the game for other people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyVQ9KaPxRI
>>339855868
4 can't even be considered baby's first RPG.
It's barely even that fun as a shooter.
>>339855868
So what you're saying is Fallout 4 is a game for people that don't like Fallout?
Glad we could agree.
Fallout 4 is a great timeline, but as an rpg it completely shuts out any creativity on the player's side. No matter if you are playing a nude, amoral cannibal or a charming drunk in your head the game will always be about an army father or lawyer mother looking for their 200 year old baby boy. The story has no twists you can make through your choices which leaves playing it ultimately a hollow experience. Some of the companions were nice, but fuck were they whiny.
>>339856097
It's literally a shooter with perks.
>>339855580
By everyone except /v/
Fallout 4 subreddit: 204,813 members
New Vegas subreddit: 21,976 members
Face it, /v/ is literally the only place that gets so butt hurt over this game
>>339856097
Yeah, it kind of seems like it's the worst of both worlds.
>>339856125
Yes, pretty much. But then again, game franchises change. Fallout 4 might very well be the new definition of Fallout games.
Because it was soulless and empty as shit
>half-accidentally fall into a huge sinkhole
>expect some Descent type of pant-shitting to ensue
Nope, just radroaches
>get sent into a nuthouse to track down an ancient vampiresque guy
>expect the haunted hotel from VtM:bloodlines
>kill 40 run of the mill gunners and make an arbitrary choice in the last room
Blueballed again
>pre-war chemical-weapons factory
>get inside and see gunners tripping balls
>expect your character to start tripping balls as well
Nope, run to the end, slaughter everyone and get the mcguffin at the end
>Combat zone
just fuck off
The only good things in fallout 4 were dunwich borers and the museum of witchcraft, everything else was just so half-assed and left me so blue-balled I couldn't go on to even storm through the main questline.
>>339856305
It should be a fucking new IP then.
>>339856072
>this isn't loading
>this is learning
every fucking time
>>339856305
I hope so, the perk system in 4 is a lot better than the skill system in 3 and New Vegas, and I love how the cameras is actually Dynamic during dialog rather than stuck in some first person staring contest
>>339856297
>using reddit as a measurement
I was disappointed by Fallout 4 but I'm going to go play Far Harbor right now and there's nothing you faggots can do to stop me.
I'm not even going to reply to any replies to my post so don't even bother replying to me because I won't read any of your replies so it's literally pointless to reply to my post. Don't even think about replying to me you faggots because I'm going to be busy playing Far Harbor and not even going to be aware of anything on /v/ or any other board or even website for that matter so don't even get any ideas. I'm going to be trying to have fun with Far Harbor and I don't know if I will because the main game was average at best but I'm going to give it a shot and that's what I'm going to be doing so you'd just be wasting your time by replying to me. Even if a million times people replied to me there wouldn't be any reason to because I won't be reading any of it so don't even waste the energy that it would cost to reply to me.
>>339856297
yeah fuck off
>>339856440
You do realize that Fallout wasn't an FPS originally? Are you mad they didn't make a new IP back then?
>>339855509
>Voiced Protagonist
Is this just not allowed in RPGs or Fallout games?
>Protag's VA is fucking terrible to boot
Disagree, but I am left wondering why both the male and female VA didn't sound like mush-mouthed Boston townies, so I just assumed they had the misfortune of moving to New England area from elsewhere.
>Speech Wheel
more like a cross of four options, but I assume you mean you wanted more choices like the previous games
>HATE NEWSPAPERS
wut.jpg
>No Skills
>No Karma
Yeah they changed that, but it's kind of more annoying to be told "you're a bad person" when it's obvious that nuking a town or selling children into slavery is not good behavior.
As for skills, they were there, you just didn't need to put a shit ton of points into anything, fair enough.
>Terrible press X to SHAAAUUUN story
Haven't played a Fallout game yet that has me super-interested in the main story, so I get to it when I get to it, usually after tons of side shit.
>Settlement building does nothing to affect the game's world or story - just a shoehorned gimmick for more padding
Fallout Sims was actually kind of fun, but I didn't do much of that until I was done with the quests and the main game.
>Pipe weapons
okay? another wut.jpg, not really sure what's wrong with them other than they're useful starter guns until you loot a proper gun off someone
>Preston
Only mistake there was auto-giving new radiants whenever the player would turn a quest in, there were other radiant-givers who didn't do that, you had to ask for another to get one.
Plus after the first go-through, it's not like you are forced to go to the MM location, just ignore the dog and head elsewhere if he was that irritating.
>>339856430
Fallout is not about lovecraftian memes you know
>>339853125
>Judging game by its cover
Bait harder faggot
I hate that my character has a voice and sounds like a retard
>>339856683
how much are you being paid
>>339855808
I assume they're a kid themselves, I'm way too oldfag for emotions anymore.
>>339856602
Half an hour for this copypasta?
IT'S FUCKING ROTTEN
do it a fucking again
COME ON CHOP CHOP
blimey
>>339856297
Well, they're tryharding to out-do /nma/, but nobody will out-do those grudgemasters.
>>339856557
> using the most popular site and preferred method for developers to connect with their audience
Yep. Like it or not it's more important than 4chan is
>>339856676
Ideally yes, but at the very least it still tried to stick near to the formula outside of isometic turn based.
4 doesn't even do that.
>>339856692
But anon magic is canon in Fallout now.
Plus unfitting Lovecraftian copy and pasting is hip and trendy, especially in games where it doesn't belong.
>>339856683
>Is this just not allowed in RPGs or Fallout games?
No, just Fallout. It kills immersion when every character you make sounds exactly the same. A game that's meant to be played multiple times has no place for a voiced protagonist.
>>339857040
Then why don't you fuck off back there?
>>339857231
I take it this person didn't play the game. Vault tech guy literally says your family is already approved and they're just updating paperwork.
>>339857357
Shouldn't removing the voice with mods be relatively easy? Since it doesn't impact the game at all?
>>339856870
where can I get a Bethesda paycheck, surely they have enough money to pay me if there's 'shill' money going around.
not a proper out anon, try harder.
>>339857443
Still doesn't justify him turning up literally right before the bombs drop
>>339857509
stop with this modifying a game with mods to make it good bullshit. If they did it in the first place it wouldnt even be a problem.
>>339855704
Amazing atmosphere and setting it makes, it just doesn't fill in the gigantic potential it creates in one game
>>339856683
>Is this just not allowed in RPGs or Fallout games?
Fallout games. The best thing about them was roleplaying. This mechanic is fucked when your badass old sniper cowboy sounds like a softcock dad in his mid 30s.
>Disagree, but I am left wondering why both the male and female VA didn't sound like mush-mouthed Boston townies, so I just assumed they had the misfortune of moving to New England area from elsewhere.
So you disagree, but found a major flaw I didn't even point out.
Nice.
>more like a cross of four options, but I assume you mean you wanted more choices like the previous games
Are you fucking retarded or just pretending?
>wut.jpg
Just an example of the amazing dialogue choices available in this masterpiece.
>Yeah they changed that, but it's kind of more annoying to be told "you're a bad person" when it's obvious that nuking a town or selling children into slavery is not good behavior.
>As for skills, they were there, you just didn't need to put a shit ton of points into anything, fair enough.
You're actually defending stripping mechanics so I don't know what to say.
>Haven't played a Fallout game yet that has me super-interested in the main story, so I get to it when I get to it, usually after tons of side shit.
I can understand when the only Fallouts you've played are the modern ones. Maybe you'll actually play 1 and 2 someday.
>Fallout Sims was actually kind of fun, but I didn't do much of that until I was done with the quests and the main game.
That has nothing to do with anything.
>okay? another wut.jpg, not really sure what's wrong with them other than they're useful starter guns until you loot a proper gun off someone
Completely useless weapons that are made obsolete with the first pistol you find at the very start of the fucking game.
You've missed the point of my mentioning Preston. But I know you're trying your hardest to defend this game, so I'll just tell you. MM are fucking shit, and Preston is a shit character.
>>339856692
Fallout and most other rpg's used to be about stories though. Lovecraftian memes sure as hell would've been better than blasting an alien in the face with a shotgun and carrying on like nothing happened.
>>339857509
Except that doesn't fix the shitty dialog and dialog options so it's pointless.
>>339857231
That comment about Raiders is hilarious. The same thing applies to New Vegas but nobody cares if you can't join the Fiends. God forbid Bethesda actually give some backstory to different Raider groups
The complaint about the dialog cross makes no sense cuz the only difference is it's in a cross instead of a menu now. Most dialogue options in the previous games were just yes, no, more info, and sarcasm as well
>>339857642
I honestly laughed my ass off at how convenient everything was in the prologue.
Holy shit it was executed so fucking terribly.
>>339857357
So you want it to be like KOTOR then, fair enough. I didn't get hung up on that for immersion though.
>>339857765
>The complaint about the dialog cross makes no sense cuz the only difference is it's in a cross instead of a menu now. Most dialogue options in the previous games were just yes, no, more info, and sarcasm as well
You're kidding, right?
>>339856683
>HATE NEWSPAPERS
>wut.jpg
How new could you possibly be?
>>339857509
I use Silence is Golden. The dialogue choices and npc dialogue is still shit.
>>339857820
>Try to walk out of the neighborhood
>Instant flop over dead as the bomb drops
>Go to the vault like normal
>Entire family casually watches the nuke explode and don't get blinded, irradiated, or instantly die
What did Beth mean by this
>>339856683
this has to be bait
>>339857671
im sure defender is just b8ing. who actually defends this shit game. its literally a shooter with very very few rpg aspects. its not even a good shooter at that. worst game by bethesda so far.
>>339858017
>hair blows back
>face doesn't melt off
Bravo Bethesada
>>339857671
>So you disagree, but found a major flaw I didn't even point out.
>Nice.
lol'd hard because it's true
The fucking BoS flying around playing the game for me. Lol awesome aircraft no? This retextured skyrim dragon made me murder the entire brotherhood before the main story was over
>leave parents default
>black baby
dropped
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY GODDAMN SUPER MUTANTS IN BOSTON
>>339858494
Irish people are green
>>339858227
>no more skill related options
>can't know what your character will say before they say it
>Limited to only four options per response, drastically cutting down player response options
Nice cherry picking though
i miss the speech checks that gave speech options for faliures that were blatently stupid. like how you had a speech check for treating caesar and if you didnt have enough you could see what possibly stupid thing you would say. now all you get it "sarcasm" fuck off bethesda
>>339857671
>So you disagree, but found a major flaw I didn't even point out. Nice.
If that's a flaw to you, then fair enough, it's being rather picky. Still disagree about the VA quality.
>Fallout games. The best thing about them was roleplaying. This mechanic is fucked when your badass old sniper cowboy sounds like a softcock dad in his mid 30s.
So what should the guy have sounded like besides not a 'softcock dad' ... like Strong, only without the mutant growl?
>Are you fucking retarded or just pretending?
You're not as clear in your reasoning expressed as you think you are.
>You're actually defending stripping mechanics so I don't know what to say.
Are you referring to both statements? Because it's kind of annoying to be reminded something clearly 'good' or 'bad' is in fact good or bad according to the game. It wasn't a huge issue to me in previous Fallout games, but I quite like not having the karma mechanic anymore.
>I can understand when the only Fallouts you've played are the modern ones. Maybe you'll actually play 1 and 2 someday.
Each main story in the Fallout universe is pretty basic. The side quests make the games for me far more than the main quests.
>You've missed the point of my mentioning Preston. But I know you're trying your hardest to defend this game, so I'll just tell you. MM are fucking shit, and Preston is a shit character.
Not a valid reason, you'll have to explain yourself, and I'm not really trying to defend the game, just sharing how I differ in thought about it.
>>339858227
it's so sad how desperate you are
>>339858664
>So what should the guy have sounded like besides not a 'softcock dad' ... like Strong, only without the mutant growl?
He shouldn't have sounded like fucking anything. There's literally no reason to have a voiced protagonist, all it does is subtract.
>>339857710
Except that also happens in FNV if you pick the Wild Wasteland perk.
>>339858590
Have some more
>>339858664
>So what should the guy have sounded like besides not a 'softcock dad' ... like Strong, only without the mutant growl?
implying we even wanted a voiced protagonist.
implying one voice fits every play style.
>>339856297
With that logic, Call of Duty is the best fucking videogame of all time followed by FNAF. Try harder on the bait.
I loved fallout 1,2, 3,new Vegas, and 4. I don't know of another series I've gotten more hours of enjoyment from sans mmos, for me the building in f4 transforms the entire game, it makes all the junk and items I find actually meaningful, I can put the shit I collect on tables and shelves I build and it's like a whole second part to the game cycle, when I get bored of exploring I go back home and build then when I'm bored of that go explore more. I sincerely hope rpgs start doing this from now on, when I try to play Witcher 3 I feel like none of the stuff I find means dick
>>339857509
Voiced protagonists require more money and work than silent one's. If they only have one line to say at any given moment it costs and requires far less work, which is why it doesn't effect games telling a story with no input from the player on dialog.
The more choices given in dialog adds to the work load of the VA and requires more money for said work.
Because of this, Voiced Protagonists limit the amount of choices and lines the player can have, because the developer/publisher either doesn't have the money or time ( or both) to spend/wait for that many lines of dialog to be voiced.
This restricts options for the player and limits roleplaying. Which is a big part of the Fallout series.
>>339858850
Wild Wasteland is a trait, not a perk. And tells you outright its for people that want a wackier experience.
Wait, does FO4 even have traits?
>>339853059
The game's literally unfixable by mods, Todd. You fucked up so hard this time, but hey at least your casual faggot fans ate it up.
>>339858930
>>339858590
One more for good measure.
Because why like a game when I can compare it other games in the series and then tell you I also don't like those?
>>339858806
So you don't like VAs for your character in anything then ... no reason, but first it was only in Fallout games?
What is so hard to deal with about VAs for player-characters?
if fallout new vegas was done by bethesda
>mr house would betray you and try to kill you
>caesar's legion would be evil and would attack you on sight as soon as you meet them
>independent vegas would not be an option
>brotherhood of steel would steel would replace the NCR since they're more marketable
>you can only join the NCR
>get the choice at the end of the game to either become the wasteland version of hitler or become mother teresa
>>339852879
I don't know honestly, my wife's son loves it.
>>339859079
nope
>>339858664
I'm not even going to bother quoting you. just count the lines.
It was a flaw for you too, but you're still defending the shitty VA for being shitty.
You're a terrible shill.
He should've sounded like nobody. This isn't Mass Effect.
You're just a fucking moron who can't even shill properly.
Karma was great because again, it was another element that let you build your character. The world also reacted to you. Unlike 4 where nothing you do has any consequence.
Again, fucking kill yourself for defending stripping features that worked perfectly fine.
They might have been basic, but they were at least interesting. Muh son is actually a step down from Muh dad. I have no idea how they achieved that. Truly amazing.
Not trying to defend the game? You having a laugh? You're literally defending the worst npc/faction in fallout history by saying NAH DOESN'T COUNT CUZ I SAID SO.
>>339859079
the perk system is a little different but I like it, you get levels to perks and you can sort of swap to upping something else if you decide, I think it's alright, each perk I get feels like a noticeable change
>>339859168
I'm a different anon. If you seriously can't see why a voiced protag is bad after >>339859040
and >>339858949 then I truly think you're just baiting.
What faction should I join? I'm thinking minutemen, but I'm okay with any.
>>339859017
I'm just waiting for someone to add lawn gnomes back into it, if they haven't already. And if it's not there yet, then having a room filled with skulls and mounted ghoul heads will have to do.
>>339859168
Not every game needs VAs. Get that through your thick skull.
The VA for Fallout 4's MC for both male and female were atrocious. At least with Mass Effect, the Sheps had suitable voices.
>>339859343
railroad man fucking Harriet Tubman that shit plus I fucking hate the BoS I never side with them, religious fucks
>>339859204
Do you have examples that make you think this? Fallout 3 was pretty one track but they rectified that in 4. You can play the "bad guy"
>>339858590
>>339858930
nice mods bro
>>339858664
>and I'm not really trying to defend the game
>>339856676
3 was shit
>>339859343
literally who cares. all choices end the same. that being said i joind BoS b/c of suprise return of best character.
>>339859204
No, the Legion would be replaced by The Romans, a mysterious group of mercenaries that don't work for anyone in particular and only exist to do bad things because they are bad. You can never interact with them at all and they only exist to shoot.
They would all have combat armor and weapons that are higher tier than the thousands of Raiders that now inhabit the Mojave, but they would have inferior weaponry compared to the Neo Enclave lead by President Jesus, who turns out to be a rogue slot machine AI that went insane from being locked up in the Lucky 38 with no patrons for hundreds of years.
>>339859343
Institute is best choice for humanity
>>339859476
mean ≠evil
>>339859387
they're in Far Harbor, I was excited, I'm impressed by how big far harbor turned out to be, that's a good expansion minus the bugs
>>339856717
I wasn't serious, retard. But it's true though
>>339854669
It really isn't. Voicework is such a massive characteristic that it defines your own vision of your character pretty hard. Notice how in Fallout 4, you're not your character, you're A character that Bethesda already made for you. It's literally like The Witcher, but you only get to pick gender and you expected to be able to make your own character. And then you might as well ask the question, why play this shitty collecting game with poorly written drivel around every corner when you could play The Witcher. Moreover, it adds a fuckton of work for Bethesda for no real fucking benefit other than to please the casual faggots who can rightly fuck themselves in this case. Third, it's a major FUCK YOU to modders.
It's absurd that Bethesda actually did it with the success of modding in Skyrim. Fuck Bethesda.
>>339859017
I wish I was this retarded. Life would be so much simpler and enjoyable. Fuck.
>>339859526
>mod does nothing but expand the already existing list instead of the tight 3 line rectangle
nice non sequitur bro
>>339859643
>Literally siding with The Master 2.0 mixed with the Think Tank: Even More Retarded edition
>>339859476
>You can play the "bad guy"
Saying "No.... but yes!" and sarcastic quips that aren't even funny isn't being a 'bad guy'
>>339859343
It doesn't matter. They're all shit.
BoS has the most action, but half of it is just following Liberty Prime as he does everything.
>>339854930
so you are saying that it is not justified to critizise their cynicism, and frankly, lack of effort, because they have enough idiots to sell to?
On top of their boisterous advertisment that is barely even not plain lying?
>>339859687
lol yeah fuck me for enjoying anything you dislike, clearly it means I'm retarded.
>>339859561
I know Kermit. That guy is full of it.
>>339855702
Yeah, you sure told him...
So I joined the Brotherhood of Steel and have of course been killing filthy Synths where I can. Can I killed Valentine? I haven't met him yet but I know he's a fagbot
>>339859684
>. Third, it's a major FUCK YOU to modders
Then I support voice protagonists, even if it's only to piss off entitled modders.
I never play with mods anyway, so I like the voiced protagonist.
>guys check out how hard Survivor is
>it's so hard you guys
>you can get deceases and barely hinder you
>what
>yes you still get power armor and a minigun at the start of the game
>>339858664
If they really wanted to go for a voiced VA at the very least they could've gotten someone who isn't a bootleg copy of Troy Baker.
Take Mark Meer and Hale for instance, while Bioware told them to be as neutral as possible in the dialogue, they still have a very commandeering voice and one fit for a starship captain in a space opera.
Meanwhile with Delaney you'll have your 30 somethings year old decorated war veteran or a badass survivalist expert sounding like a passive aggressive 24 year old man who just got out of college
>>339859827
thats capitalism. why put more effort into a product when the same amount of people will still buy it? the opportunity cost just isnt there to justify putting a complex rpg when you can just pass by with a shit shooter. although I would also argue that this hurts the company in the long run and hurts their dedicated fan base.
>>339860000
What's with these BioWare fanboys shitting up this thread? No one cares about Andromeda you piece of crap
>diamond city is impenetrable
>can literally nuke it from the towers closeby
>>339859973
>entitled modders
Entitled for what, expecting Bethesda to not do a 180 in design decisions? Bethesda's fucking cancer but at least they allowed you to play as whatever character you wanted and roleplay to some degree, Fallout 4 fucks that in the ass.
I usually don't play with mods in any game. Voiced protagonist doesn't allow me to play whatever character I want, which is exactly what these games are for. if I want to play a specific character, I can play a different game. However I wager that, practically noone who pre-ordered or bought Fallout 4 having played their previous shitfests expected to play as premade characters.
>>339859973
>Entitled modders
What did he mean by this
>tfw playing 4 right now
>made a new scientist build and going to side with institute
My weekend is complete boys
I can only imagine the people who actually like the voiced protagonist in F4 are people with no standards whatsoever.
Even if you're for a voiced protagonist in Fallout, the way it was executed in 4 is below basically any game with a voiced protagonist with dialog options.
I can only hope it is people fanboyishly defending F4 and not actually genuinely thinking it was done well.
>>339860197
Tone down your autism and look at my post very carefully, I was using ME as an example.
And the thread is already fucked for being about a bethesda gamer so not like mentioning Bioware is going to make it any worse.
>>339859204
>mr house would betray you and try to kill you
It's kind of ridiculous that someone powerful enough to clean up the strip and organize a bunch of crazy raiders into profitable running casinos again, plus get the Strip vault to be turned into a hotel would even need the player's help to take over the whole Mojave.
>caesar's legion would be evil and would attack you on sight as soon as you meet them
Meh, that's more like the Raider gangs and the nameless Raiders of F3
>independent vegas would not be an option
technically running the Commonwealth as the MM or Institute qualifies as independent, plus if you choose Yes Man, that's technically 'your' faction.
>>brotherhood of steel would steel would replace the NCR since they're more marketable
dunno where you're getting marketability from, most of the factions in Fallout universe are almost completely undesirable in any of the games tbqh
>you can only join the NCR
Guess then when I played 4 joining all 4 main factions and playing them off each other was not possible, pro tip, it was
>get the choice at the end of the game to either become the wasteland version of hitler or become mother teresa
you don't have a good grasp of the gray area in most games, do you?
>>339860543
*about a bethesda game
>>339860443
what the fuck is that thing
>>339860380
I played multiple different types of characters and the Voice never bothered me
>>339860589
you have to be 18 to post on this site
>>339859421
I disagree, the VAs were just fine for F4. What it comes down to is not for Fallout it isn't, but some people believe that ruins immersion no matter what game it is.
Except this series stopped being totally RPG a while ago, but apparently thick skulls didn't think to stop buying the games past F2 and just move on.
>>339854385
>mfw I just uninstalled 40 mods because they robbed me of the comfy feel of vanilla
>>339860709
What, did you play woman with law degree, dead husband and looking for her lost child or did you play as army veteran man with a dead wife looking for lost child?
>>339860703
best girl
>>339860589
So can you infiltrate the Institute on behalf of the Railroad and then when Shaun dies of mystery disease and you become Director you can announce to the Railroad you control the Institute and they can calm down instead of having to blow up the Institute
Just curious
>>339860885
Shit nigga, sauce?
>>339859657
Nice, about to finish up another run in the game then check out FH for myself.
>>339852879
Because it sucks. What other reason do I need?
>>339860913
What's with ugly people and tattoos?
>>339860917
no you still blow it up.
You save the synths by blowing up the only place in the entire world where they are created, effectively dooming them to eventual extinction.
>>339853059
mods can't add meaningful dialogue choices
>>339859684
So when you role-play, are you actually spitting out the lines before you select the choices, or is the mouth guard that tough for you so you internally say the lines in your whatever manly or womanly voice you want to have for yourself?
>>339860884
Except New Vegas, literally the last release before 4 accomplished what people wanted fine and that was past F2.
Besthesda hate meme. /v/ wants every game to be the next Tortanic
>>339860917
No.
But I was surprised that the Institute storyline differs a bit if you join them before meeting the railroad. That's what I like about 4 that people here seem that gloss over a lot. The game takes notice of your play style and what you have done and changes to accommodate it. Like the Institute quest where you have to recruit the scientist changes depending if you were the Minutemen general or not, or if you even rescue Preston and the Minutemen exist at all in yoir game
>>339853059
Is there a mod that fixes the shitty melee system? Melee attacks are just as limited as fo3 but the animations in 3rd person are locked to perform the attacks in a clunky linear fashion. Try moving left to right and continue attacking in that direction, you can't.
Depth of movement has been stripped, it's a step backwards for bethesda considering the games engine is based on skyrims. 1st person movement and fluidity is aight, but I can't use the trip mechanic, the only worthwhile thing they added to melee.
Honestly, the whole combat system feels barebones as fuck for a game that focuses so much on combat. What is there left to redeem the game? Combat is shit, story is shit, dialogue is shit, exploration is shit, settlements are cool but are implemented casually to not affect the player, weapon system is shit, perk system is shit, etc. Modders are going to have a tougher time fixing this game than skyrim.
>>339861274
Even normalfags are getting sick of Bethesda. They all prefer TW3 to FO4.
>>339860884
>I disagree, the VAs were just fine for F4.
As someone trying to defend them before even said. They don't even have Boston accents. That and they sound fucking retarded when they're trying to be mad, so they remain monotone most of the time unless you're "sarcastic" in which they go way fucking overboard and sound like complete tossers who don't care their son is missing.
>>339860884
>Except this series stopped being totally RPG
It was enough of an RPG with 3 and NV, now it's literally just a shooter with perks.
>>339859846
Pretty much this.
I feel like I'm punting kids, almost feeling guilty about triggering them so hard, kek
I played it for a bit and would probably have enjoyed it if it wasn't for the unrealistic damage sponging. Any mod out by now that fixes that in a way Skyrim was fixed by Requiem or similiar mods?
Not talking about shitty mods that add about 300% damage to everything and cause enemies to literally explode when you shoot them with a pistol.
>>339861182
It's not as autistic as that, it's more abstract, Todd. It's pretty obvious you've never "roleplayed" in a single goddamn game before.
>>339860589
oh fuck another one.
>technically running the Commonwealth as the MM or Institute qualifies as independent, plus if you choose Yes Man, that's technically 'your' faction.
Did you even play? the institute is clearly protrayed as the antagonist of the series. MM are clearly protrayed as the common good of the story. same with the Railroad. BoS is the militant good of the story.
>dunno where you're getting marketability from, most of the factions in Fallout universe are almost completely undesirable in any of the games tbqh
the game literally has BoS on the front cover of 3 & 4, normies clearly recognize BoS over other factions because of their marketing.
>Guess then when I played 4 joining all 4 main factions and playing them off each other was not possible, pro tip, it was
implying any of these choices were dynamic which all led to the same end. these were the most bare bones "factions" in any of the fallout games.
>you don't have a good grasp of the gray area in most games, do you?
thats the point you autist.
holy shit Fo4 is the killer of fallout hype for years to come.
>>339861274
Even casuals who were sucking the games dick at launch have stopped caring about F4
>>339861383
Witcher 3 sold nowhere near as much as Fallout 4 and isn't discussed nearly as much but you go ahead and keep believing that.
>>339852879
consolized garbage
the death of the fallout franchise
hope your "familiar name for a quick buck" plan was worth it
>>339860709
Aha, so concerned parent looking for their child then? Or maybe you played a sarcastic concerned parent looking for their child?
>Guys nukes are bad and stuff, a single nuke made Boston into a retarded wasteland for 210 years with zero civilization
>Gotta nuke Boston again to save it because nukes lmao
Beth just doesn't fucking get it
>>339861383
Eh, its hard to take that seriously, Witcher fans always spam that about whatever games are popular at release. Dragon Age for example was shit posted down by Witcher fans anytime a thread was discovered.
>>339860709
>I played multiple different types of characters that were actually the same character every time
lol
>>339860000
It was never going to be good enough, just admit. No matter who they picked, it wouldn't be acceptable. It's okay to come to terms with your anger, but after 3 iterations of the game that really aren't giving the older fans what they want, you probably should have learned by now in a /nma/ case, and if you're not that autistic, then what the fuck are you so mad about? you didn't actually buy the game you hate so much, did you?
>yfw you stop to think about just how edgy you're being.
>>339861527
How many GOTY awards did FO4 win?
>>339860913
your taste in games is just bad as your taste in hamholes
>>339861557
>the death of the fallout franchise
feels bad man
Bethesda being the cancer as usual
>>339860891
My child of atom build was a pre-war scientist who became fascinated with radiation after he entered the Commonwealth and saw how it affected animals and created ghouls. When he met the children of atom he appreciated them for their worship of radiation although he disagreed about Adam being some deity, but he views them as useful allies/pawns.
>>339861527
witcher 3 isnt discussed as much because the fan base for the same has no need to be triggered because they actually got what they expected. Fallout fans got fucked in the ass by Bethesda.
>>339852879
Todd is a liar, bugs, and modders having to fix the game for like 4 Bethesda game in a row now.
Todd is literally the new Molyneux but with about half the charisma.
>>339861567
I played a black military man who was concerned for his son and occasionally did a fuck ton of drugs.
Caring about my son was extremely immersion breaking for me but not much I could do about it.
>people defending voiced protags
>people defending less reading
this is the future
>its a "Bethesdrones from /fog/ try to defend their piece of shit" thread
God, if the mods should force anyone back to /vg/ its these damn Fallout fags
>>339861747
>GOTY awards meaning anything
>>339861884
>>people defending less reading
What did you expect from American public education?
>>339852879
it still runs like with good computer.
>>339852879
I enjoy it a ton
>>339861963
>they don't mean anything unless it supports my side
lmao
>>339861827
The children of atom are a literal side faction you fucking retard
>>339861963
>sales meaning anything
>>339862030
The only good game that has ever won a GOTY award was The Witcher 3
>>339861747
Next you'll say gone home is the best game because games journalists covered it more
>>339860460
>no standards whatsoever
clearly, you must have some impressive taste anon, how dare anyone with shit taste even speak
>>339862162
next you'll say CoD is the best game because it sells the most
>>339862016
>1/3rd of the map is blocked off and empty
>>339861692
>lol stop meing mad
>ur bein edgy lmao
>>>/fog/
>>339862182
>he says posting arrested lolsorandumb
haha the kid's name is George Michael
get it
>>339862182
try not to wear your butthurt on your sleeve
It's pretty fun now with all the good mods releasing but what I hate the most about this game is the fucking atrocious writing.
>>339862050
......and?
>>339861527
Witcher 3 was plastered all over the place after release. There were an obnoxious number of threads about it. There aren't as many any more because it came out more than a year ago.
Fallout 4, by comparison, has had a very small number of threads and the ones that are posted are near universally concerned with how shitty it is.
>>339862016
>>339862276
And it still manages to be bigger than FO4's map.
Incredible.
>>339862442
on top of this, compare the reception that Hearts of Stone and Blood and Wine got compared to Far Harbor and Automatron.
>>339861395
>implying a shooter with perks is a bad thing
>>339862182
F4 is bottom of the barrel stuff, when it comes to voiced protagonists.
Anyone with a lick of sense can tell it is massively overshadowed by pretty much any other games voiced protagonists and dialog choices.
Do you accept Bubsy 3D platforming just because you want platforming introduced to a game?
>>339862594
A shooter with perks shouldn't be advertised as an RPG.
>>339861425
Except I have, Sawyer, it's just not your narrow pinhole of expectation about how everything should be.
>>339862442
Using /v/ isnt very reliable
What's worth pointing out that the subreddit for Witcher has less than half the people of Fallout 4 subreddit alone. And that includes all three Witcher games combined. If anyone actually tries to say Witcher is more popular they are full of shit. For some reason Witcher fans always have to pop up doing Fallout 4 threads, maybe because they are upset no one is talking about their game
>>339862594
If I want a shooter with perks I'll play fucking Far Cry
>>339862748
>fallout fans are literal redditors
I knew it.
Go back there and stay there, fuckface.
>>339861447
>yfw F5 breaks previous sales heights and gets an even higher metacritic score
>>339862594
>implying a shooter with perks is a good thing
>>339862748
>using /v/ isn't reliable
>but using Reddit is
Go back.
>>339862890
Far Cry is boring and doesnt have the RPG elements like 4 does
>>339862748
no one gives a fuck which one is popular. being popular is the worst because then you have to cater to the majority instead of a dedicated fan base. and people wonder why Fallout went to shit while witcher remained a quality game.
>>339862594
who the fuck bought a Bethesda game for that shit
>>339862748
Yeah no shit Fallout 4 sold better. But sales =/= good game.
>>339862997
>fallout 4 has RPG elements
>>339862997
>and doesn't have the RPG elements like 4 does
Take out the character creator and its literally fucking Far Cry
Hell, i'd say Far Cry 4 is better because exploration in the game is actually fun
>>339862927
>catering to a larger majority to get a higher metacritic score instead of staying loyal to the brand.
fuck off normie
>>339862735
Except it's not fucking narrow at all, you drooling retard. Now go buy Far Harbour and fuck off.
>>339862997
top kek
>>339863226
At least Far Cry doesn't fucking lie and pretend, pretend, pretend that you can play as whatever you want.
>>339861835
You sure about that?
It seems like bethesda fans are still sucking bethesdas cock.
>>339862748
>someone talked about an open world RPG in a thread about another open world RPG
What a world we live in.
>>339861848
>implying that Molyneux made a game that was worth a shit since Populous
>>339863226
Funny how I hated Far Cry and think it's more of a shooter than Fallout 4 is. Lack of quests, dialog, equipment and what perks Far Cry did have where nowhere as in-depth as FO4. Not to mention the settlement building, companions, and etcetera. That's like trying to say Halo and Mass Effect are the same kind of game
>>339863554
Bethdrones have always said "yeah Bethesda games are buggy and run like shit but no one else makes games of this scale!!"
Now that other devs are making open world RPGs and doing a much better job than Bethesda, they're in full damage control mode.
Someone please fucking teach Emil Pagliarulo how to write a story longer than 3 pages.
Anything more than that and he completely fucking falls apart.
>>339861853
>not realizing the macguffin in every Fallout game isn't that important
>>339863496
look at any user metacritic score since all these other faggots are using metacritic.
>>339861935
>implying this is your board only, and that all fags are not accepted here, just the ones you deem acceptable with the exact same opinion on everything that you hold, poorly at that
>>339861338
>actually being able to stand playing through this game multiple times
i couldn't even get 3 hours in what is wrong with you people?
>>339863703
>Bethdrones have always said "yeah Bethesda games are buggy and run like shit but no one else makes games of this scale!!"
implying drones still said that after 1 month of Fo4. even drones knew Fo4 was shit.
>>339863895
>even drones knew Fo4 was shit.
apparently they don't. Just look at this thread.
>>339863703
Imagine if CD project actually tried to do first person open world roleplaying on the "scale" Bethesda does.
>>339861963
They're implying their opinion and /v/'s consensus matters at all
>>339859979
survivor usually means that your health isn't easy to regenerate so it's much more important to avoid damage and manage your health packs better
>>339863954
implying that a vocal minority in this thread counts for the majority.
>>339852879
I hate it being called Falllout, but if I think of it as a spin-off game, it's a good time sink.
Pros
Improved gunplay
Cons
Terrible graphics/animations
Terrible voice acting - especially the protag
Terribly dull story that goes nowhere and a twist seen from a mile away
Shitty attempt at trying to emulate Blade Runner
Pipe Weapons are completely pointless/useless
you know what fuck this
it would take forever to list the cons
>>339855062
>>339855509
there
>>339862016
haven't had a Fallout game played yet that I hate, and I don't expect that to change
>>339857765
>The same thing applies to New Vegas but nobody cares if you can't join the Fiends.
You can actually work with several Raider factions in New Vegas, though. You can work with the Khans, and through the Khans go on drug runs for the Fiends. You can also become a Powder Ganger, though I'm not sure they count as Raiders or not.
You can also roll with the Legion, who are pretty much straight up evil.
>>339863635
>lack of quests
The quests in Far Cry had FUCKLOADS more variety then the ones in Fallout 4
>dialog
Both games have garbage writing, but at least Far Cry didn't pretend you had choices
>equipment
True
>perks weren't as in depth as FO4
Thats implying the perks in FO4 had depth to them
>settlement building
>companions
They're both shit
>>339864107
Oh and also:
tries to be Mass Effect with face-focused dialogue, but game comes out the same year as Witcher 3 so it just looks fucking pathetic in comparison.
The game is fucking repetetive and is only about exploration. Quests are fucking dull and have zero replay value because there are no actual choices and no dialogue options that change anything.
>>339862297
if you're that solid in your conviction, perhaps go to /vg/ and try to topple the flood of people who enjoy it with your sound taste and vision.
we'll stay here, because there's a majority who like the game, and we're not upset over the changes.
>join the BoS
>my character becomes a Sentinel
>never any options to mention my rank to someone outside the BoS
It just doesn't make any sense that my character worked so hard with the BoS and then just doesn't mention it when traveling around. For example, I went to vault 81 after finishing the main story, and it doens't make any sense that I can't introduce myself as a BoS Sentinel and give them an offer to trade supplies or something with the BoS.
>>339864074
Point I was trying to make is that you're so easily OP from the start of the game, so it doesn't matter.
>start survivor
>run to diamond city
>wait for dc security to get killed by super mutants
grab loot
>have decent dc armor
>sell everything else
>loot abit more
>buy house
basically you're now set for easy mode
survivor is a fucking joke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww0elqpZfXo
>>339864336
>we'll stay here
Why? You have your own board where you can circlejerk
Its clear everyone here is laughing at you and knows you're a crossboarder
>>339863721
>Water chip initial motivator, then stopping the Master
>GECK initial motivator, then stopping the Enclave
>Finding muh dad is initial motivator, then wacky magic water purifier for water that shouldn't even be radioactive is the main plot
>Finishing the platinum chip delivery initial motivator, then pick any faction or go your own way to finish plot
>Finding muh son is the initial motivator, then nuking boston in order to save it is the goal because dude nukes lol
Two of these stand out to me as nonsense. Can you guess which ones?
>>339862298
it's okay to be a self-fulfilling prophecy-pusher, just don't expect everyone to agree with your slim opinion on what's great and what's not.
Because Black Isle fags can't accept that It's a Bethesda IP now and neckbeards have garbage taste as well as expectations
I learned all the way back in 2007 that most old school fallout fans are shitbags and really don't care anymore about them.
I dun goofed though and started using the Fallout forums for FO4 suggestions to Bethesda and ran into a shit ton of them there.
The sad thing is that These cunts aren't just content with huddling in groups and circlejerking like everyone else does, they have to go anywhere fallout is discussed and shit the discussion up as much as possible.
Even the fucking official forums for suggestions for the games by the god damn dev company saw nothing but copious amounts of anti-bethesda whores spewing as much toxic waste out of their mouths as humanly possible. Ffs when Mass Effect 3 happened we didn't even do that to the Bioware forums we just made our own and complained there.
>tl;dr - Black Isle faggots who suck Avellone cock are mentally retarded and should be put down
>>339862310
eye-rolling is butthurt? wew lad, you're bad at reading faces, it explains a lot about the whole roleplay and immersion angst ongoing.
>>339864524
>self-fulfilling prophecy-pusher
>tfw you're trying to sound to sound intellectual but end up sounding like a fucking douchebag
>>339862657
price is far more than you can afford, famalam, just become the liquor already
>>339856683
boy you are trying too hard
>>339864557
edgy, but lurk moar-tier bait
>>339864635
You're clearly butthurt over someone criticizing your trash game.
>roleplaying is bad
>in a game advertised as a role playing game
Fucking retard.
>>339864673
Not the person you're talking to but you permeate insecurity.
>>339853312
>Because a sequel is supposed to add more features and remove the unnecessary
This is the only post in this thread I will respond to
YOu are wrong
A sequel expands on the story of it's predecessor and nothing more. The "innovation" movement you neckbearded fucks forced onto the industry was hoisted up by the suits who took over the industry and has turned gaming into a god damn joke.
Fuck you
Fuck Black Isle
Fuck Obsidian
Fuck Chris Avellone
Fuck Innovation
And Fuck anyone who thinks the definition of a sequel is the garbage you shit out of your ass into that sorry excuse of a post
>>339864434
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww0elqpZfXo
The legendary equipment perks they give you are so retarded, and really break the game.
>>339863635
But Far Cry has more quest variety, better equipment, and better perks than Fallout 4. On top of this it actually makes proper use of it's open world.
>>339852879
SPECIAL is shittier than it's ever been. They all start at 1 instead of 5, and are effectively levels instead of a proper rating system, where 1 is awful and 10 is godly.
Removal of skills. Skills are now unnecessarily forced into perks. You no longer have a cool list of skills that show what your character excels in. Now it's messily put into a shitty perk chart.
Perks are forced into a shitty column system that's based on each letter of SPECIAL, just so it can look "cool" and "innovative." And because of this, you have shit like where you need to have a Strength level of 3 in order to craft armor mods. Or how you need to have a Perception of 7 in order to get an energy resistance perk. None of that makes sense.
Voiced protagonist limits roleplaying because it's just the voice of a generic man or woman.
Dialogue options have almost no meaning because the choices are basically or literally the same thing. You also only ever have 4 choices, so there can't be more than that, and there also can't be less, so that leads to multiple dialogue options being the same thing.
They didn't include great things from New Vegas, like the reputation system or the frequent and varied skill checks. Fallout 4 only has the speech checks, and they suck ass. Why Bethesda continues to stick with the easily exploitable dice roll is beyond me. You can literally quicksave within a conversation, and just keep reloading the game to win a speech check. In New Vegas, you had to meet the required skill or bust, which is an infinitely better system for a video game.
The weapons are not as good as they should be. They talked a big game with the weapon mods, but the amount of base weapons is shit. They thought that being able to mod one weapon a bunch of times would make up for it, but it really doesn't.
Shitty naming convention for weapons and armor. If a weapon has certain mods on it, it becomes a retarded clusterfuck like "Marksman Elite Automatic Heavy Sniper Rifle."
>>339865034
t. 15 year old
>>339862678
http://bethsoft.com/en-us/games/fallout_4
They call it "open-world gaming," that should have been your first clue
>>339865262
They also called it Fallout so fuck you.
>>339865034
summer: the post
A sequel is supposed to improve upon the previous game as a starting base, with Fallout 4 we have a massively padded down shit-tier game that takes ten steps backwards for the one it did forward, making a decent shooter. It gets so much shit wrong it's astounding and it's still the same uninspired, piss-poor writing that Bethesda delivers every single time.
They're competing with New Vegas, which despite its clunkiness managed to be a great game still played and holds up well. Fallout 4 won't. Barely anyone talks about it, and the only times it is it's to make a point about how not to make a fucking game and dare calling it a roleplaying game. Because Fallout 4 is not a fucking roleplaying game.
kids listen, you think you have good reasons for being angry that someone likes something, but really you're just mildly autistic and lack self control and awareness to understand that your opinion isn't the keystone of all thought any reason. People like different things, I honestly think Witcher 3 is not fun because when I play it I don't have fun, I think fallout 4 is fun because when I play it I have fun. see that's how a healthy mind works, the way some of your minds work is that everything is shit because you never really enjoy anything anyway so you constantly enjoy shitting on other people having good feelings when really you could just go play the game you personally enjoy. I know you won't understand but please understand
>>339864557
>These cunts aren't just content with huddling in groups and circlejerking like everyone else does, they have to go anywhere fallout is discussed and shit the discussion up as much as possible.
maybe bethesda should have huddled in their own IPs and circlejerked like every other dev does, instead of going into fallout and shitting up the RPG elements and lore as much as possible
>>339863309
nah, I'm stayin' in the comfy zone, the one where the Fallout games are good, all of them, and I merely disagree.
>>339864964
>not him but I'm gonna keep using big words I don't understand
>>339863347
Listen, it's okay to be a spergmaster, but you have to make room for sane people who like to both play all kinds of games and also talk about them, not just the ones you deem not morally bankrupt and an offense to your every over-tuned sense.
>>339865375
I dunno in Witcher 3 can you play your own role and build a home/city/anything really where ever you want on that map? Maybe role playing isn't just the combat mechanics maybe it's about making the world meaningful, I'm pretty sure that's why it's a role playing game and not an action game. Nothing is perfect but fallout 4 actually moves towards more complexity in the sense of you living your own life in the game than any of the previous in the series
>>339865661
>permeate is a big word
top kek
>playing through Far Harbor
>get to the memory puzzle shit
>game went from slightly fun to being more boring than watching paint dry
>>339865786
Riiight.
>>339865840
>maybe it's about making the world meaningful
Fallout 4 sure as fuck didn't do that.
>>339864317
also as someone said
legendary gear perks are buttfuck retarded
also making armor seperate to specific clothing items was just beyond moronic
>get combat helmet
>aawww shit nigga
>add weave to newsboy cap
>it offers 100x the defense my polymer combat helmet does
>get a laser musket that does double damage to enemies with full health
>can two hit deathclaws in survivor
>>339865873
lol that took like no time, how long did Portal take you?
>>339855702
>3 skill checks in the whole game
>3
Even FO3 had n assload of skill checks, AND they actually mattered, unlike FO4 where all three skill xheck are for ONE skill, and even then, they're all part of the SAME GODDAMN QUEST. Listen, I ride Bethesda's dick all goddamn day because I loved FO3 and NV, but with FO4, Bethesda pulled a fucking EA. They promised us a quality product that we deserved, and fucked us in the ass. Fuck Todd.
>>339865398
>you could just go play the game you personally enjoy
they stopped making those 16 years ago because retards like you buy garbage like Fallout 4 by the millions
>autism: the post
>>339853059
Literally, LITERALLY none of the top nexus mods fix any of the game's problems, because the game's problems aren't cosmetic.
The only possible exception is the one that shows the full dialogue, but even then it basically exposes how little difference there is between """choices""" and how little any of them change the world or even the conversation you're currently having.
>>339864467
common sense, we go where we please, but you edgelords are the ones that have so many problems just existing anywhere on 4chan.
>>339865860
funnily enough is that insecurity is longer and is what you're exuding
ironic isn't it
>>339866097
Portal actually has mechanics that support that kind of gameplay. With this memory puzzle shit your constantly fighting with the clunky ass controls of the settlement building system
>>339864479
they should all stand out as nonsense, tbqh
>>339866046
it did to me. I discovered a scientist robot that became my friend, then I was able to transfer her mind into a woman's body and she fell in love with me, then I built a house where her and my dog live and when I sleep in my bed we fuck and I get the we fucked perk. definitely more real than Witcher 3 to me, Witcher 3 feels like an action game with nothing to do but combat, why would I believe in that world more?
>>339857765
>>339858227
>>339858930
>339858930
>>339859148
Does it hurt when you fail to win and we show you how you're wrong?
>>339864673
>getting their jimmies rustled THIS hard
seriously, I hope you're pretending to be this triggered over a game that didn't meet your incredibly-narrow views.
>>339866313
I dunno I can't remember having a problem but I built a ton of shit before FH
>people are actually defending Fallout 4 now
feels bad man. Probably just summer though
>>339866713
No need to samefag.
>>339865318
>yfw it doesn't add up, and you can't even avoid a post about it, if you're not just pretending to hate it
>>339866170
>>339866170
I know you won't understand, please understand
>>339859961
No, he's story-essential.
>>339866882
summer and the weekend
also pretty sure it's the very start of school holidays in Australia as well
ultimate hell
>>339852879
These are in no particular order.
1) Animation is terrible from the movement to the lip syncing. The fact these fuckers can't hire decent animators is embarrassing in 2016.
2) Gun variety is piss poor.
3) Enemy variety is piss poor. Everyone with a gun that isn't Minutemen shoots you on sight for no reason. Also the selection of mutant animals sucks because I'm pretty sure Massachusetts has a pretty decent amount of wildlife to choose from instead of just mutant crabs. Also why the fuck aren't birds mutated? What's that about?
4) It's less about survival and more focused on collecting bullshit so you can horde it all to upgrade gears or build bullshit for settlements because they can't look after themselves.
5) Settlements. Fuck them. Why can't these people look after themselves?
6) Companions. They suck save for Codsworth because he hovers. Is there any reason at all that companions and NPCs in general cannot jump while you can?
Rest of my complaints is shit everyone has mentioned: voiced protag, limited dialogue options, pointless factions, etc. Granted I only played New Vegas as my first Fallout then went onto 4; but the changes are so staggering and stupid that it makes me want to play the first two Fallout games because of the impression New Vegas left on me and how bad a taste 4 left.
I like h Fallout 4 has more grey area while 3 and New Vegas were pretty black and white.
3 came down to just poisoning the water because LOL and nuking Megaton or the Citadel because LOL.
New Vegas was cute in how it tried to portray the Legion as anything other than repulsive evil conqurers. You basically enslave the Mojave because LOL
In 4 there's no evil faction, just factions with flaws in gray morals. The railroad value synths over humans to the point they make Liam a martyr in the end game and have no problem killing Institute scientists. The Brotherhood are xenophobic assholes who hate ghouls super mutants and synths for no reason than what they are to the point they have no problem killing their own if they find out they are a synth. The Institute does questionable stuff like replace people with robots to keep peace But ultimately do so because the Wasteland is hell and needs guidance.
They even carried it over to Far Harbor with no good/evil descisions in the endgame
>>339865398
I concur, it's like it doesn't compute with them that people think things other than what they do, and that it can't possibly be right or even just different.
>>339867064
what the flying fuck are you babbling about
>small map
>very few quests
>4 dialogue choices, no more no less
everything else was good and/or improved though
(except for the bad stiff AI and random bugs, but those will probably never leave unless Bethesda makes a new engine)
>>339867201
>New Vegas
>black and white
>>339866145
There's a luck skill check-in Covenant, actually
>>339867201
>Institute
>Being anything but buttfuck retarded evil
Did you even play the game anon
>>339867109
see when I was a kid nerds would talk about what was fun in different videogames, Diablo had cool looting systems quake was fun combat total annihilation was for thinking and so on. You fucking morons hate literally everything when you're not the one to suggest it's good, your dumb fuck contraian mind can't have the humility to actually listen to anyone. You'll never change your mind about any subject your entire life and you'll die never really being aware of anything. like it's depressing as fuck that you'll never even realize what I'm saying, it's like watching people mindlessly shit themselves forever
>>339867342
3 good options or 1 evil ending
>>339867486
>3 good options or 1 evil ending
just like FO4
>>339867486
Yet they're all more ambiguous than Fallout 4's endings
>>339857231
Saved. Agreed with every single point.
>>339866050
>>get combat helmet
>>aawww shit nigga
>>add weave to newsboy cap
>>it offers 100x the defense my polymer combat helmet does
just tried this and I can't believe it's fucking real
>>339867201
>The Institute does questionable stuff like replace people with robots to keep peace
>to keep peace
there is no evidence that this is the reason they replace people. As far as we know they just do it for experiment/research purposes. Hell, Father goes on and on about how terrible life above ground is and pretty much says there's no way humans can have a sustainable society up there.
>>339867578
>thinking BoS is good
>thinking institute is evil
>>339867201
Who gives a shit about Black and White vs Gray morality? New Vegas handles things realistically. Villains are a thing that actually exists. Bad people with bad agendas are things that actually exist.
Bethesda's recent obsession with "shades of grey" morality just means that they make everyone act retarded.
>>339867578
None of the endings are good in FO4 because you fucking nuke Boston
Then again, nukes aren't a big deal in Bethesda Fallout so its pretty minor
>>339866003
you know it's pretty unhealthy to wage constant war on games you don't like. it's not like I follow every game that doesn't suit my own taste and pretend like I'm the end-all be-all of gaming opinion, and anyone who likes the game is either retarded, a shill, or a shitposter.
plus you could be playing a game you like right now, or talking about one you like, seems like time wasted in spergdom to me famalam
>>339867740
>replace innocent people with robots for shits and giggles
>not evil
>>339863729
Well it doesnt matter. User scores hold no weight.
I look it up on google and i see 9.5-10/10
>>339852879
Its popular with the "normies".
Thats literally it.
>>339867740
they're both evil dipshit
>>339867769
>nuke boston
You blow up one building
>>339866145
percentages are better anyway, if you don't get it just move forward, like you should have with this game thread
>>339867740
>thinking Institute isn't evil
Confirmed never played FO3 nor FO4
>>339868003
shit you hacker snowflake you
>>339867771
No one's waging shit. You're in a thread where op asked why people hated this game. What did you expect to find in here. You're just trying to shame everyone else. Super insecure of you desu famalam
>>339867769
>Then again, nukes aren't a big deal in Bethesda Fallout so its pretty minor
Pretty much this. Oh no all that scrap that nobody bothered to scavenge in the past 200 years will be surrounded by more scrap.
>>339866170
why do u even go here then, /vr/ might be the better place if you really can't find anything fun to play these days
>>339867476
>You fucking morons hate literally everything when you're not the one to suggest it's good
I thought I was just hating on things that were poorly implemented, which is most of Fallout 4.
>>339868025
With a nuclear device
>>339867476
>people compare FO4 to other games to show how certain things can be done right
>WAAAHHH YOU FAGS JUST HATE EVERYTHING THESE DAYS
Fuck off.
>>339868158
everything is broken up into things you like and things you don't, when you enjoy shitting on the things you don't than you do talking about the things you enjoy you turn into an asshole
>>339867937
By that logic the railroad is evil because they murdered a ship full of innocent people and children
>>339868025
You try blowing up the MIT with a nuclear power plant meltdown. Let's see how that's not called nuking the city.
>>339853312
>Because a sequel is supposed to add more features and remove the unnecessary
lol stupid
>>339868347
Everyone is evil in Fallout. Even the Followers of the Apocalypse.
>>339868268
>>339868268
dude what are you talking about? I was saying that we didn't focus on shit we hated, we had fun telling each other what we enjoyed about games because none of them were the perfect game, it's much more constructive to talk about what you like about a game because maybe you'll actually enjoy things that aren't perfect
I constantly forget about this piece of shit game. I'll always see it and say "oh yeah, this fucking exists."
I honestly don't know how people continue to play it. I guess I can understand if you never played the previous games and all you care about is just shooting things. But...fuck, there's just nothing compelling. Even the settlement building is a disappointment. You think they could've at least made that aspect deeper? Same thing with the weapon and armor modding. Even the minimal amount of shit they added to the series was done half-assed, not to mention all the shit they butchered and removed.
>>339867109
>3) Enemy variety is piss poor. Everyone with a gun that isn't Minutemen shoots you on sight for no reason. Also the selection of mutant animals sucks because I'm pretty sure Massachusetts has a pretty decent amount of wildlife to choose from instead of just mutant crabs. Also why the fuck aren't birds mutated? What's that about?
so apparently all the birds and the seagulls along the coast, you didn't notice they were all fucked up and mutated if you got close to them, huh.
>>339868512
Cant enjoy it cuz the game sucks
>>339868512
>it's much more constructive to talk about what you like about a game
this thread is literally titled "Why the hate?"
What the fuck did you expect people to be saying when you clicked on it?
>>339868145
/vr/ is fucking dead, there's a thread from 6 days ago still on the front page. plus, they extended the definition of "retro" to include 5th gen, and as soon as the sonyggers got there the place went to shit
>>339867218
I'm not trying to lose your attention, so sorry if you can't understand simple pointing out of hurling insults about the game and anyone who likes it as kind of a waste of your time
>>339866882
Summer meme is a low point in 4chan traffic. Quit pretending to be an oldfag.
>>339867476
pretty much, they have all the information available, way more than was possible before internet, yet don't read up on what the game's about, buy it blind, then get mad about it even though gaming choice is incredibly easy these days in terms of avoiding a game that isn't to one's taste.
>>339868805
Right so you're retarded. Thanks for clarifying.
>mfw first time seeing a hermit crab in Far Harbor
> seen those big long spidery legs slowly slide out of the van and then the giant eyeballs and head
>>339868805
>hurling insults about the game and anyone who likes it as kind of a waste of your time
convincing people to stop throwing money at shit games is the only way we might start getting good games again
>>339853059
>There ARE mods that make the game better and solve literally all of the problems people in this thread are whining about
eventually I'm sure there will be, the the GECK just came out and nothing has fixed roleplaying and considering the intrusive story it probably won't be fixed for a while.
>>339867760
>New Vegas handles things realistically.
>handles things realistically
So I can walk into Caesar's camp, slaughter everyone in it, something that the NCR should have been able to do much easier in numbers with their better weapons ... and that's supposed to be realistic? An army of me and a useless companion no matter who it is I take along?
I wouldn't go that far anon.
"The critic has to educate the public; the artist has to educate the critic." basically if all you do is shit on things it means you can't possibly actually create anything decent
>>339869384
Don't forget that one Quest where literally right next door to the NCR camp are the NCR soldiers are hanging on crosses and they can't be bothered to rescue them
>>339869502
People aren't shitting on "everything," just Fallout 4. Plenty of other games praised ITT.
>>339869502
fuck off back to art class you flaming faggot
>>339867201
>new vegas is black and white just like fallout 3
>allows you to get the evil supervillains of 3 to help the NCR, who they despise, to take over a region for what the player is the greater good.
right
>Literally 390+ posts in a fallout thread
>Zero Todd posting
What the fuck is going on?
>>339869802
Its the Todd on the inside that counts anon.
>>339868137
The time you spend hating on a game can be better spent discussing games you like, pretty much.
The constant hate spewed on games by anyone is just pants-on-head retarded, it's like these people killed your family or something for levels of sperg among certain types.
Maybe you are that type, maybe you aren't, but being unable to let go the fact that some people like this game and can refute points ... call it shaming, I call it what you're feeling, for even bothering to stop a train with nothing but yourself.
The most gamebreaking stuff for me in FO4 was that it had ONLY ONE, LITERALLY ONE GOOD QUEST IN THE ENTIRE FUCKING GAME.
>>339868773
sorry to hear that, but I'm getting the whole dead thing as far as your previous 16 year statement is concerned.
perhaps it's time to have other hobbies, if this one isn't so fun anymore.
>>339868298
I enjoy sniping, but I can say about any shooter I play. Anything unique to Fallout does not hold up in 4.
>>339852879
Well, a lot actually went quite right. Fallout 4 is miles ahead of Fallout 3.
Is the story better than New Vegas? Not for me.
But I will give them credit for respecting the lore and the older games much more than they did in Fallout 3.
- The gameplay/action is good.
- Some of the quests and story is very formulaic. Not many surprises.
- Some choices to be made in the main questline.
- Im not a fan of the fusion cores needed for power armor. Power armour should have a fusion reactor onboard, should be degredable instead.
- Far Harbor is surprisingly decent.
- Dialogue is limited, but more streamlined. Pros and cons to that.
- Decent crafting and upgrade system.
- Not a fan of building settlements or the Minutemen.
- The glowing sea is pretty cool.
- They got the Brotherhood of Steel right.
- The Railroad is weird.
- Companions are somewhat improved but still clunky.
So its a mixed bag, some is bad but much of is actually a decent overall game.
>>339869138
like pissing into a dry lake bed, you think that's going to bring back the lake? haha, that's such a naive and precious idea.
you're not doing anything but choir-preaching to the small minority in an echo chamber, friendo.
>getting power armour right off the bat
>no special training needed
This game is literally a travesty and I fucking loathe all you 20 somethings enjoying the decline of body's.
>>339869580
To be clear, I'm not arguing that FNV is a bad game. It's plenty fun.
But there's nothing realistic about any of this shit, be it the silencers actually making guns silent, the 200 year old cans of SPAM, stimpaks, fusion generators, or any of it.
They're all just fun to play, each bringing something different to the fun table.
I think Fallout 4 did the gunplay considerbly better than the older Gamebyro games, like F3 and New Vegas. Not saying it's perfect, but doesn't feel as finicky.
If New Vegas was remade in the newer Gamebyro engine, my dreams would be complete.
>>339869770
you won't get anywhere in changing the tides of gaming taste with that attitude, sperganon
>>339852879
The illusion of choice and lack of replay-ability since your character is set in stone and all the choices are black and white morally.
In New Vegas there were rarely any "good guy/bad guy" choices. Not to mention you had a really vague and open background so you could RP as whatever you wanted. I still remember playing as a gunslinging cowboy who chose to take NV for himself, a die-hard patriot who fought for the NCR, and a cannibal slaver with the Legion. With Fallout 4 you're literally glued to
>Dad/Mom looking for son who fought for the Army
>>339870470
>if this one isn't so fun anymore.
thing is, replaying fallout 1 is still pretty much the most fun i can have, even still today. thats why modern gaming, and bethesda fallout especially, is so goddamn personally insulting.
>>339870987
nah mom was a lawyer who can magically kill loads of people and use power armour because fuck training i
>inb4 u were a synth da whole time tweeest
>>339870581
finally, someone who has a sensible pros and cons and doesn't devolve into a mad rage. thank you, it was too rare in this post.
not the best game ever, but it was quite valid among your points, and delivered far better.
>>339870802
But I thought Fallout 2 was universally considered a classic?
>>339870909
I'd like that too, with a major expansion on Legion to make it more of a choice like F4 had among their factions. But I'm def thinking and feeling almost the same.
>>339871563
oh boy a fence sitter
thank you for finally being like me lmao
>>339870802
>Preston Garvey and his group have lived in the Wasteland their whole lives
>you woke up into it an hour ago
>they make you their leader because you know how to make beds
>>339871680
shut up retard it's not the same thing and you know it
It didn't have cool pop culture references
>>339871839
>swear allegiance to BoS
>take a fucking super mutant on their airship
>nobody gives a flying shit
>but Danse has to go
>>339871330
I don't know what to tell you there. Your response actually makes me slightly concerned, for the first time in this whole thread, about another anon.
Things change, anon. And we all have different perspectives on where we think things are and where they're going.
My first home vidya was an Atari 400 and Pac Man was what was for dinner in a gaming sense, for months on it. I also tried typing programs on it, but the Pac Man was more fun.
I don't see bethesda as the source of all evil, there's just too many companies out there to really be concerned that much about it, myself.
I stick to games I enjoy and if I was you and so many games just don't speak to me for fun, then I probably would have hung it up by now.
I've managed to find games here and there that interest me, though, but it's way easier to do that now than it was back in 1989 with just what you saw on TV ads or in a gaming magazine. If you were lucky you could try it out at a video store for rental, if you had a store that carried enough games to do that.
But I don't get insulted by every My Horse and Me or whatever game you might find utterly enjoyably bankrupt.
Maybe because I never expected the market to cater to my every taste? I dunno. Whatever the case, I'm not going to bed mad about anything in gaming, there's just way too much info out there for me to miss what I'd like and avoid what I probably wouldn't.
Don't go away mad, anon. First non-trolling honest comment I've made. TL;DR summary - I've felt that way before in life, and it ain't fun. Just gotta look for it elsewhere.
so basically the only defence people have are
I liked it and mods
that's just sad
>>339872438
>want to make a character who's proud as fuck to be in the BoS
>he never mentions it to anyone outside of the BoS
>>339871820
I've seen too many good and bad games to really jump out and say any one of them is best evarrr or so bad they should be fed to rabid wolves.
>>339872589
>Things change, ano
stopped reading
passive-aggressive reminder that bethesda doesn't know what they're doing with the IP and that it'd be objectively better off with someone who can actually write and make a good game
>>339872438
they make it clear that when you take your ghoul buddy or mutie along with you, if you weren't there, they'd be tossing them off the ship.
after they find out Danse is a synth, having him along in BoS sight makes 'em hostile.
The important question is what will be stripped in 5
will you buy my game anon? Will you?
>>339872873
no help for you then, I see. just pity now, only your jimmies in the breeze.
>>339873240
>>339873240
>they make it clear that when you take your ghoul buddy or mutie along with you, if you weren't there, they'd be tossing them off the ship
never got this
source?
>>339873403
not everyone can lay down and become complacent like you
you've just given up and given in
>>339852879
Because still no sex mods for me to do a second playthrough as a slut lady banging any guy who helps me.
Did Bethesda really confuse West Tek with Vault Tec or is that just a meme?
>>339873353
dialogue options now limited to 2 replies
character creation scrapped
perk system removed
replaced by weapon upgrades
you don't even level up anymore
>>339873428
https://youtu.be/iIkzFmtFVjs
>>339873569
No, I manage to find games that I still enjoy in this era, as I have in all eras of home gaming.
I'm not the one with a life problem, anon.
>>339854385
People hated the non-PATCHED version, not the non-MODDED version. Huge difference.
>>339873859
sure thing snowflake
>>339873772
weird my game must be bugged because I get none of this
still they'd never allow this in the proper games
>>339871839
It's basically just one guy, Preston, who wants to belong to something again. The others are not really MM, he's just trying to protect them after the massacre at Quincy.
That he hands it over to your PC as the new general says a lot about his own depression when he mentions later that he was considering suicide by hostiles had the PC not strolled along.
after all, it's pretty easy to appoint a leader when the faction is just himself.
>>339874148
or you just generally don't notice little details, but I'll humor you and compromise on your 'bugged' excuse.
now, your turn: define 'proper.'
>>339873963
that's where you're wrong, anon, I'm just another fag among all the fags.
life problems are hard, when you're that blind.
>>339874367
the games that Bethesda didn't lore-wise
also it's not an "excuse" as this happened for a fair few people
in a proper game they'd be shot on sight regardless of their allegiance to you
>>339873731
Well somehow Vault-tec built a vault for testing FEV five years before FEV even existed and three years before the pan virion immunity project, the West Tek project which lead to FEV, even began.
On the opposite coast from where all the FEV stuff was developed in the first place.
And the logs in Vault 87 specifically mention pressure for human testing in Vault 87 coming from Mariposa, when human tests in Mariposa didn't start until the same month as the great war. On October 10th the military at Mariposa noticed prisoners missing that were being used for FEV tests, then they mutinied and killed all FEV researchers on the 15th of October. Eight days later the Great War happens.
So either Vault-tec has access to a time machine or something fucked up on Bethesda's part.
I got a copy for free and I still enjoy it base building is fun imo but yeah all hate aside I enjoy it.
Fuck me right? Enjoying things on /v/ is wrong I know...
NV > 4 > 3They're all good games
Debate me
>>339874693
we're here with you, we're just relaxed and post less
>>339874693
t. 13 year old
>>339874693
nah, it's just autistic to spend shitloads of time demanding the world cater itself to one's every specific whim.
internet's a hell of a drug for those types.
>>339874665
Holy shit Dude you're upset by the most inconsequential accident in a random dungeon log, how did you ever enjoy Star Trek TNG
>>339874693
I enjoyed aspects of the game too but I can still admit it's shit all-round.
The fact you enjoyed the autism simulator aspect speaks volumes though
>>339875021
>FEV
>Inconsequential
Nice
The marine armor in Far Harbor is pretty cool
>>339874763
3 isn't due to shit writing, lack of weapon variety, no real choice or morality and muddy tones.New Vegas gets a pass on the tones because it did everything else pretty spectacularly
>>339875021
go away todd
>>339870581
you get like 3 perks and fusion cores last forever
>>339875021
this is the modern fallout fan
>>339874693
I'm not surprised you type like a teenager.
>>339874634
the bible and lore isn't set in stone. it can be retconned and modified just like any comic series, any film series, any game series. not even the Holy Bible itself was done in one rigid take, they rejected a whole shitload of different books and it went through several edits during the early years.
Just because the West Coast BoS would have gone hostile immediately, doesn't mean SpergMaxson doesn't do things differently. Different elders make different decisions.
>>339875021
hmmmm....
>>339875654
this is really stretching
holy shit bethesdrones will go to any lengths
>>339875443
if you prefer games you've already played to new things that's cool, go play exclusively those games, there's probably an autistic kickstarter for a game identical to one from literally 20 years ago that you can buy. Games in general are trying different things, minecraft made people realize that not every single fucking game has to be about killing and destroying, maybe games can be more satisfying in other ways. Bethesda recognized that minecraft had something great and simple to it and put it into a game that never had it before but really actually makes sense for the game. When I first saw the reveal trailer I thought I'd never build anything but then I really got into it equally along side the combat. this is the game I want free of technical flaws, I want to explore a world, do things that are fun and create things. I'm pretty sure that's the game everyone has wanted since the 80s and we're getting closer to it not farther away
>>339875551
I just don't give a shit how I type on an anonymous image board, Not like I'm doing anything important here.
Are you?
>>339875803
stretching what? your anus? needs it, you write pretty constipated for views.
>bethesdrones
>implying that anyone who enjoys something they don't like is a shill
Just keep that tinfoil hat on tight, I guess.
>>339852879
The game is shallow as a puddle. It looked nice and the gunplay was ok, but I was so fucking bored from every quest being the same and there being no way for me to decide my fate.
>>339875654
We both know Maxson would've blown their heads off, and Bethesda couldn't come up with a reason why your followers were with you, so they came up with some bullshit dialogue that doesn't fit at all.
>kills his top paladin for being a synth
>some random brings a synth, super mutant, and ghoul aboard
>lol it's cool
come on
>>339875974
this.
plus if they got exactly what they wanted, they'd probably end up hating it out of reflex.
>it's a "Building on the East Coast is filled with a billion super mutants episode"
>>339875654
After seeing how Maxson behaves when he finds out Danse is a synth, it doesn't make one lick of sense for him to allow abominations onto the Prydwen.
>>339875974
>minecraft made people realize that not every single fucking game has to be about killing and destroying
that's one of the main mechanics though you underage faggot
>>339876252
The Maxson in F4 states specifically that the only reason he spares Danse and pretends that the guy is now dead is because of respect for the PC's conviction against killing Danse.
Because sometimes life isn't so god damned cut and dried, famalam.
>>339876430
Holy god you actually think that don't you, how small is your mind Dude
>>339876469
Why would he respect a BoS member who can't do their job or even follow a direct order? Thats completely contradictory to how the rest of the game characterizes Maxson.
>>339875654
>comparing poorly written Bethesda games to the bible
Now you're just running around trying desperately for it to make sense.
It makes ZERO fucking sense that someone as ruthless as Maxson would let you at a time you're barely a knight, on the Prydwen with synths and the like.
It makes ZERO sense, and you know it.
>>339876376
they're basically allowed unlike Danse because they're not BoS members but in custody of the PC.
Danse is seen as a betrayal by Maxson, basically a traitor, but again, because the PC can stand up for him, his life is spared, and instead is merely banished from BoS company.
Pretty fucking easy to figure out, except for your average /v/ sperg, I guess.
>>339875974
>not every single fucking game has to be about killing and destroying
But that's how you solve every quest in FO4.
>>339876649
this x1000
>>339852879
terrible writing with meme story, annoying voiced character, all dialogue options are basically the same, no way to be true evil, too many characters are immortal, etc, etc
>boring
>stripped of fun
>dumbed the fuck down
>settlements are useless
>recycled music
>EZ mode even on hard
I saw it coming still spent my money and returned that piece of shit.
>>339869384
Are you retarded? The discussion was concerning factions, morals, and the setting. How the fuck you got onto gameplay, I've no fucking idea.
>>339876649
Because Maxson brought his toys to Boston to destroy the Institute.
Only the PC figures out a way inside, and can help to work toward that goal ... at least, moreso than anyone else he brought along, in terms of quickly achieving what he set out to do.
That's not out of character for BoS, using someone to attain their goals, in that regard. But it does seem like he's making exceptions for the PC that he normally wouldn't do, mostly because of the aim to end the Institute ASAP.
>>339876745
B-but quests and story and narrative and balance and everything else doesn't matter anon you just have to ignore all the shit Bethesda does and use your IMAGINATION and then Bethesda games are the best games ever
>>339876706
It still makes no sense they're allowed on the Prydwen. In no way would that ever happen with ANY sect of the BoS, no matter where they are. Especially the fucking ship with fucking Maxson on it.
Defending it just further proves how you have no understanding of the lore like most modern Fallout fans who eat shit like 4 up.
>haha caring about quality in writing makes you a sperg
Go fuck yourself.
>>339875974
>>339876307
samefag
>>339853724
>more color
not really, it pisses me off that there is so little green shit
>>339876664
How dare I enjoy things you don't!
I have besmirched the based Interplay gods, and there will be a special hell for me waiting with nothing but Mario Paint to play for eternity!
Or something.
>>339876943
I'm sorry you can't into reading comprehension.
>>339877045
>That's not out of character for BoS
what
what the fuck
fuck you
they'd just kidnap him and kill his freak companions and force MC to comply
but hurrr it can't happen because he's the MC and this faggot >>339875659 wrote himself into a hole and forgot about it
also it's MC not PC you fucking faggot
fuck you
>>339877061
nah, go fuck youuuuurself!
see how unsatisfying that is? probably not.
>>339877208
summer is officially upon us
>>339877208
butthurt
>>339877492
>literally a redditor
Not surprised to be honest.
>>339877384
so triggered, so mad
>>339877645
Not an argument
>>339877208
>anon focusing on why characters don't make logical decisions
>You respond with that
Stop posting on this site.
>>339877521
>yfw i been here for years, and won't be leaving, long after you have
Because Todd is a fucking hack who hates jRPGs
>>339877208
>>339877492
>>339877645
>>339877521
Yes, this is officially summer. Kids posting their favorite reaction pics with zero counter arguments.
Honestly I liked Fallout 4 as a shooter, as I had mods that turned off the shitty dialogue and everything, but I couldn't fucking believe I could take Hancock, Nick, or Strong into the fucking airport. It blew my mind.
>>339877783
you first, famalam
>u: stop liking things that I hate!
>me: keke
>>339873353
its core supporters what made the company what they are...
>>339877208
>>339877492
>>339877645
So this is the power of the Bethesdrone Defense Force huh?
>>339853059
I couldn't finish the Railroad questline because the Vertibird became un-selectable so I couldn't get onto the Pridewyn
because of this, in order to finish the game, I had to go back to the church connecting to railroad HQ and shoot Desdemona in the back of the head, I got the institute ending when I was trying for the Railroad one, because it was the only way to progress past a bug at this point.
you tell me why that's okay
>>339853540
No your just a retaded cunt, a game should be good and let the community modify it. Are you that fucking daft that you honestly think games should be made bad with the hopes that the community will fix it. your an absolute retarded cunt. btw fallout 4 was shit mods can only do so much, New Vegas was great mods made it even better, although mods will make FO4 better, the fact that it was so bad out of the gate will mean it can only reach a certain standard
>>339873770
You know what.
Scarily enough, this is entirely possible.
>>339877296
The discussion was regarding which factions were morally gray versus black and white. I said that it doesn't matter if a faction is black or white. For factions, what matters is what realistically fits within the setting.
Then you started bitching about how it's not realistic because the game doesn't prevent you from murdering someone, as if that had anything to do with what was being talked about.
I'm sorry you're stupid enough that this actually needed to be explained.
this thread
>>339878106
lol no if you Googled it there was a fix, did you just smash your controller and say fuck this game
>>339877715
point was already made multiple times above, I might add.
you keep searching for things that aren't there, like your common sense.
>>339878278
Every fucking thread, I enjoy the nostalgia threads because I get reccomendations on things I've never heard of and actually can have fun.
>>339878291
I googled it for several hours, why on earth do you think I'd come to such a conclusion in the end?
I still finished the game, anon, I didn't break my controller, you retard.
>>339878489
no
there was no point
you got proven wrong and backed up into a corner which is why you're resorting to reaction pics
>>339878278
pretty much all of /v/'s threads, tbqh
>>339878560
I dunno cause I found a fix the second it happened, it's not even a bug it was something to trigger the event
>>339855009
>>339855207
the voice of the protagonist matters little for the roleplay, and actually adds. to it in some quests, like the silver shroud. Not only that, an option to play voiceless protag could solve the "problem" for you and it's extremely easy to put in the game.
This is only an addition to the game, not something that will make it worst.
>>339878610
the point was, Maxson's reactions are exceptions because of the Sole Survivor's usefulness, nothing more. correct and 100% factual, unlike your lack of comprehension.
>>339878650
you mean the one for /leaving/ the Pridewyn, or the one for getting there? Because I still have a save file at that point anon, I'm all ears
>>339878223
You're that dense, that you can't even follow the discussions.
I'll bet half you spergies didn't even play the game, and copypasta from each other. Which isn't a stretch for /v/ either.
>>339878769
in reality he would've just imprisoned Sole Survivor to do his bidding and killed his freak friends
also you can take your freak buddies on the ship after the events
try to explain the sense in that genius
>>339878981
It was literally a two post exchange concerned solely with the faction writing. What are you having trouble understanding?
>>339878769
>BoS letting ghouls, synths, and super mutants into their base for any reason no matter what it is
>a descendant of the Maxson line being this stupid and passive
>100% factual
>>339879064
because murdering the friends of the only person who managed to figure out a way inside, let alone even find the damn location, accomplishes the goal of ending the Institute efficiently.
I sure hope you aren't that uncompromising around people you need to work with, because that's not going to end well for you.
>>339876789
>EZ mode even on hard
That is until you start the DLC at level 60 because you completed the main game on the week of release and the DLC enemies are scaled to your level because fuck making proper difficulty when you can just bloat enemy HP and give them insane amounts of damage
>>339879195
>implying the lore isn't full of holes and partly-foggy and sometimes total bullshit
>implying nothing can be retconned or changed, evarrrr
>>339879294
Yeah but this is after the Institute is already done.
Also don't bring my personality into this you idiot. We're talking about Maxson.
>>339879397
>it's okay because the lore is full of holes apparently haha
Fuck off.
>>339879141
That's what I'm asking you, drain bramage.
>>339879397
>evarrrr
what's a 12 year old girl doing on /v/
>>339879482
You didn't ask that. You only further confirmed that you had no idea what was being talked about. Now you can't even manage to remember what you said one post ago.
>>339879463
I'll be here as long as it's still amusing and full of easy parlor games to play, sorry. :/
>>339879294
maxson could easily just fuck you over which is canon to how he'd behave but nah let's just keep defending shitty writing
>>339879294
>I sure hope you aren't that uncompromising around people you need to work with
what the hell does that anon's personality have to do with how Maxson would act?
How the fuck is that relevant at all?
>>339879834
It's not. He has no counter-argument, so it's the natural move of attacking the person rather than the argument.
