The great debate.
>>339819080
No debate literally 90% agree Paper Mario is much better
>>339819080
Ttyd
I love both.
>>339819080
Ttyd
>>339819331
>tfw i will never be stupid enough to support my opinion with fake statistics and say that they are "literally" true
64.
The padding isn't nearly as awful.
>>339819080
There isn't a debate, TTYD takes literally everything and improves on it several times over. Anyone who says PM is better is literally just saying it to be a contrarian.
TTYD's better combat, music, partners, script etc amp it up
TTYD. The combat alone makes it superior, but it's also better in every other way.
>Level design:
PM
>Everything else:
TTYD
>>339819080
TTYD is better in almost every way except level design. A lot of the areas in TTYD felt kinda boring
>>339819080
No. PM fans used to be pretty unified and we had good threads.
It wasn't until the last couple of months that ttyd and og fans have started going at each other.
>>339820267
>TTYD is better in almost every way
KEK
>>339819080
Left is much better compressed, right looks pixelated as all fuck
>>339820870
Not him but
>humor
check
>story
check
>battle system
check
>graphics
check
>side quests
check
>characters
debateable
>>339819512
this
>>339819080
Ttyd is just a better game
level and world design and atmosphere : 64
gameplay and characters : ttyd
overall :i enjoy 64 more because it's less of a slog on replays. TTYD replays get old fast
>>339819331
Literally 86.3% of statistics are made up.
That being said, the correct answer isboth.
couldn't finish TTYT. that 3rd (or was it 4th) star has way too many talking without any fights.
I prefer paper mario but the thousand year doir is very good.
Paper mario has much better aesthetics and tone, characters feel more alive, and I prefer its soundtrack.
I love both but I think TYD improved upon a lot of things in PM64 (which was already a very solid game).
I'm working on a wallpaper/drawing right now, pic related
>>339819080
Definitely TTYD.
>>339821706
cute
>>339822006
Nevermind, I didn't read the last part. I'm a faggot.
Excess Express > Crystal Palace > Flower Fields > Lavalava Island > Shy Guy's Toy Box > Bowser's Castle > Keyhaul Key > Palace of Shadow > Tubba Blubba's Castle > Dry Dry Ruins > everything else
Prove me wrong.
>>339822781
GLITZPIT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALL
i liked PM's pacing, characters and humour better but TTYD everything else
Who was your favorite, /v/?
>>339823131
Goombella for personality
Bow and Watt for battles
Yoshi for out of battle companion
>>339819080
They both have their strengths and weaknesses.
Paper Mario has a safe main story but each chapter is pretty much consistently great & the gameplay was still fairly new, even if SMRPG did a lot of similar things.
TTYD expanded upon everything it could, super guarding, interaction crowd, stylish commands, bingo, grander main story & more unique areas. The backtracking & chapters though are a hit or miss, like look at Chapter 4, great atmosphere, interesting characters and plot, but suffers from the whole chapter being backtracking.
Basically it's up to you to determine if expanded gameplay & story is better than not as consistently good chapters & also backtracking. Personally I prefer N64 one but I still adore TTYD, it's very close to being better than 64 to me.
>>339822927
This
>>339823131
If you don't say Bobbery, you don't know shit about taste.
>>339823131
PM
Goombario > Bombette > Watt > Kooper > Bow > Parakarry > Sushie => Spike
TTYD
Goombella > Bobbery > Yoshi > Koops > Vivian > Flurrie > Mowzneither image includes sushie, lol
Best bro is either Bobbery or Yoshi kid, best girl is Ms. Mowz.
>>339822927
It's bretty gud.
>>339823131
Watt and Parakarry for PM, Vivian and Bobbery for TTYD.
>>339823307
>>339822927
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-cdNgezswM
>>339822927
I would rather strangle myself than sit through 30 rounds of Paper Mario's barely acceptable combat (outside of bosses) made worse by that fat fuck's orders.
>but the plot
Read a book.
>>339823386
I will post this every day until E3
I will cling in hope to the possibility that Color Splash will not be shit.
>>339823131
Goombario
>cute, basic design, unique enough to stand out but not different enough to be jarring
>best personality
>best dialogue
>character development
>a fucking beast in battle
>just a goomba in a hat who does his best, and that's okay
In TTYD it's Bobbery
>>339823131
N64:
Bow for waifuing.
Watt for battling.
TTYD:
Goombella for both waifuing & battling.
Yoshi for fast travel.
Bobbery is worth noting for being generally cool though.
>>339823443
The combat in Paper Mario is more enjoyable than combat in Pokemon games, Final Fantasy 7, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Monster Hunter...
>>339823596
Any amount of interaction > no amount of interaction
>>339821706
Looking great anon! Are you going to post the finished result anywhere?
>>339823443
It's 20 rounds. Also a balance of both gameplay & story is best for a game, at least an RPG. I gotta ask though, if you don't care for plot & don't seem to like the gameplay for the series why are you in here or playing the games at all?
>>339823596
>Press a button and then do a quick-time event.
>Repeat until the battle is over because it's near impossible to lose.
Fighting normal mooks is completely mindless.
>TTYD has the Excess Express chapter
>and Bobbery
>>339823849
Doesn't change what I said. Also you don't have to fight them.
64 didn't have a massive obsession with backtracking aside from FF.
TYD had better battles and better overall moments in the game but I feel 64 was the most consistent in terms of quality.
>>339823770
>if you don't care for plot
I did not say that.
>don't seem to like the gameplay
I did not say that.
You're 0/2 on the reading score there, buddy. I love Paper Mario -- but the combat against regular enemies is terrible. I liked the plot of Chapter 3 -- but the gameplay portion is a slog.
>>339823301
Poor Sushie, I swear she's the one that's always most forgotten.
>>339823901
>Also you don't have to fight them.
Only people who have actually played the game are allowed to talk. Go play a pacifist run of Glitz Pit if you really believe this -- and don't tell me that scaring all the enemies away isn't fighting them; that would be an even more tedious way of avoiding a tedious battle.
To everyone ITT who wants more Paper Mario, I suggest Barkley, Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden. In addition to being funny as fuck the gameplay has QTEs much like the Mario RPGs.
Sequel's coming on 11/11/23.
>>339824289
Last I checked, the sequel looks like it's using a completely different battle system, though.
>>339819331
This.
>>339824130
>Plot
Then why mention "read a story" then? It heavily implies you could not give a rats ass about plot & feel it's pointless.
>Gameplay
You said "Paper Mario's barely acceptable combat (outside of bosses)". While I did read over the boss part, a lot of the game is focused on normal enemies which includes the same gameplay/combat you have when you're fighting bosses.
Just word things a bit better or you're gonna give people like me the wrong idea. It sounded like you're just simply shitting on both the gameplay & plot.
>>339821706
Koopa Troopas are cute! CUTE!
>>339824531
Well yeah, that part was unrelated to the Paper Mario thing.
>>339819080
Paper Mario has better on-rails content, The Thousand Year Door has better off-rails content.TTYD > Paper Mario
>>339824581
I wish /jp/-isms were a bannable offense.
>>339824289
>four characters with unique moves in paper mario style RPG
>sequel is a top down shooter
>>339824572
>It heavily implies you could not give a rats ass about plot & feel it's pointless.
And you're heavily implying that you're an ass. Don't put words in my mouth. The read a book comment was to preemptively shut up anyone saying I should enjoy the slog because of the plot.
>a lot of the game is focused on normal enemies
No, a lot of the game is focused on exploring areas, interacting with NPCs, solving puzzles, and so on. This is all fun, this is all great.
And then the game sticks me in a small area and tells me to do the worst part of the gameplay 20 times but with an additional, annoying restriction. Note the last bit, another part of my initial post you conveniently forgot to read.
>>339824842
Looks exactly like Zombies Ate My Neighbors, which I'm cool with.
>>339824956
>solo ZAMN
ehh
>>339822781
>Excess Express > Crystal Palace
>comfy snow level that ends with a great dungeon
>small train
>>339824949
>No, a lot of the game is focused on exploring areas, interacting with NPCs, solving puzzles, and so on.
Actually it balances it out since they're all a big focus of the game.
>>339824949
The battle system is one of the best parts of the series, you fucknut.
>>339819080
64 is better because it has less filler content and just higher quality content throughout the whole game. TTYD has several shitty chapters, in fact, the only chapter that really stands out as something special is the train.
64's combat system is just right, where TTYD tries to expand on it but ends up making it unnecessarily convoluted and annoying. I don't want to have to press buttons 3 different times per turn, and keep an eye on the audience and the background. I prefer 64's combat as it is based more on making the right choices, and only slightly based on action.
>>339825167
Can you go one post without correcting me on things I never said? If you're going to lecture me on on wording things better, don't say something stupid like
>a lot of the game is focused on normal enemies
When you agree that focus is split between many things.
Of course combat is once of the focuses in the game; I'd be stupid to deny that.
Just let me have my opinion on the Glitz Pit without acting like a pedant.
>>339825156
The train is pretty comfy too, anon.
>>339825335
Maybe compared to other JRPGs, but that's not exactly a high bar.
Forgive me if I don't find Wario Ware minigames without a single ounce of challenge to be fun.
>>339825483
Then don't straight up say no to what I said. If anything you should say "Yes, it does, but it also does X thing".Chill out, my initial reasoning was just to word things better so you don't give the idea, you're taking this way too close to heart.
>>339825654
>without a single ounce of challenge
So your gripe is that the games are too easy? Congrats, that's been our criticism since the beginning.
>>339819512
/Thread
>>339825156
>murder mystery
>public rejection in 2 different towns
>long dead merl- cousin
>comfy
It's still a great chapter, though.
Do you guys think they intended to phase out RPG elements from the beginning? Look at the way the combat system transitioned from Super Mario RPG on the SNES, to Paper Mario, to TTYD. It gradually became more and more action oriented, eventually abandoning RPG elements altogether. It's almost as if they think action based gameplay is inherently better than turn based combat, and clearly a logical evolution.
>>339825813
Don't act smug like you made some kind of point -- you act like difficulty has nothing to do with a combat system. If I never have to make any decisions and the simplest method is always the most effective, then the deepest combat mechanics in the world won't save it.
>>339826110
You can say this about every nintendo game. A lot of elements are being cut, to make them simplier and "easy to new players".
>>339826321
No, the creators intentionally put in easy options and difficult options for winning. One is for the little kiddies who play with their parents to use. Guess which category you just admitted to fall into?
Super Mario RPG
>>339826551
>If I play poorly, I can make the tedious battles take even longer. I'm so hardcore.
Unless you're referring to danger Mario, which boils down to "Power bounce the enemy until it is dead."
>>339826110
I read elsewhere that in a 2007 interview in Nintendo Power the Director for the first 3 games was contemplating on whether to go back to the first 2 games traditional RPG gameplay or Super's. I've been looking for scans of this issue but I can't find jack for downloads/torrents on Nintendo Power for issues in the mid-2000s. If it's true that then just shows Sticker Star wasn't originally gonna happen.Also the back of the box for Paper Mario 64 straight up says the game is a Action-Adventure game.
>>339826873
>Also the back of the box for Paper Mario 64 straight up says the game is a Action-Adventure game
I don't think Nintendo would put the words "RPG" or "role-playing game" when neither children nor parents have any idea what that is.
Heck, I can't think of any JRPG that actually calls itself that, but I'm not thinking very hard.
>>339826873
The nip version has "RPG" right on the front.
>>339821170
>debatable
If by characters you mean the partners there's nothing to debate TTYD wins by far, half the partners of PM are bland as fuck.
Heck and I'm being generous because the only partner I remember is that ojou-sama ghost.
>>339827705
Frankly, I prefer bland over Flurrie and a Yoshi that can't be assed to learn my name. Everything else is correct.
>>339827705
>bland
No they aren't.
>>339827616
Ah, you're right, I didn't even notice that & I own that box. Never mind then on the latter part of that post. Plus come to think of it the beta name was Super Mario RPG 2.
>>339827924
On Yoshi's defense, he calls you Mario at the very end of the game & almost all the chapters have 1 character that doesn't know your name, it's pretty funny actually.
>Chapter 1
Mayor calls Mario Murphy
>Chapter 2
The Puni Elder calls him Marty-o.
>Chapter 3
The Great Gonzales
>Chapter 4
You literally lose your name.
>Chapter 6
You're called Luigi.But yeah, Flurrie is definitely shit.
The first Paper Mario is my favorite Mario RPG.
I'm torn on this one. The gameplay of TTYD is superior, but I prefer the setting and chapters of Paper Mario. The partners are almost on a 50/50 split for me, too.
Goombella>Goombario
Kooper>Koops
Ms Mows>Watt
Bow>Vivian
It's a strange feeling.
>>339830228
>Goombella>Goombario
False
>>339830228
>Kooper>Koops
True
>>339830228
>Ms Mows>Watt
True
>>339830228
>Bow>Vivian
I like them about the same
You forgot to mention
Lakilester > Flurry
Bobbery > Bombette
>>339819080
More like stale bait
