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This is a 1998 PC game
So what? This is a 1998 console game.
>>339792448
Choose me or suffer.
>>339792448
God tier game
>>339792643
That looks better tho
>>339792448
It's also the best one in the series.
>>339792448
Remember when dungeon crawlers used to be king?
>>339794010
>tfw own a Vita
>tfw all the Dungeon Crawlers to play
>>339792448
This is a 1988 PC game.
>>339794010
>rpg's used to be all about the gameplay
>eventually console peasants though better gameplay actually meant more simple gameplay with better animations and graphics
>>339794010
>tfw RPGs have moved from games where story comes from your experience with the game and world to story driven cinematic games where you can only do what the developer lets you with the illusion of choice and consequences
What went wrong?
>>339792448
What game is it?
>>339794238
>with better animations and graphics
I wish. In most dungeon crawlers you fight static images which pisses me to no end.
>>339794563
Might and Magic 6: Mandate of Heaven
>>339794128
They're all weeb dungeon crawlers though.
Ah ha!
World Of Xeen was the best M&M you plebs.
Fight me irl!
>>339794773
That's a plus, though.
>>339792448
This is a PC-98 game.
>>339794579
>i wish
No you don't. You really don't.
>>339794837
I was playing that but the game started having weird text corruptions so I moved onto 6. I'll probably go back and play it sometime though I enjoyed it and it's different enough from MM6.
>>339792448
https://youtu.be/s-qxU0MJNhA
>>339794439
cus graphics
>>339794842
Not for me. I have nothing against jap games but I can't stand weebshit.
>this is a 2016 PC game
muh hand-drawn graphics
>>339795207
wat game
>>339794010
shit
i think its japan that only bothers with the genre
>>339794579
>Elminage
My nigga.
>>339795264
The Quest.
>>339792448
M&MVII is a stepback in graphics
>>339792448
This is also a 1998 PC game....
>>339795304
Thanks friend. Blobbers really are a perfect fit for mobile devices. I used to play tons of doom RPG which was a mix between M&M and Doom
>>339795285
Yeah, that is true. Dungeon crawlers are deader than dead in the west.
>>339795341
No way, I always remember hating MM6 because it didn't look as good.
>>339792448
That feel when in nowadays this game would be "problematic" because there are no playable black character and all blacks are enemies, cannibals
>>339792448
How hard is it to get this running on a modern system?
>>339795498
Fuck off with that animu wizardry shit.but i want to play it so bad im so desperate for dungeon crawlers
>>339795498
Not true at all. They're just a niche genre.
>>339795560
I'm pretty sure I just ran the Gog version fine. or that might of been 7
This is a 2016 PC racing game
>>339795207
>>339795304
thanks m8
I'm new to crpg's and dungeon crawls so this looks neat, finished the very first Elder Scrolls so this looks great
>>339795560
You can run it right out of the box with GOG but you have to move some files to get music working with the grayface patch.
this is a 2016 tech demo of the same game
>>339795558
>that impaled girl
savage
>>339794579
I love pretty illustrations.
>>339795341
It's the portraits that make it look worse and MM7 seems blurrier to me
>try to find torrent of m&m 6 gog edition
>can only find heroes
>>339795487
>blobbers
Oh it's you again.
>>339795207
these textures are extremely pleasing
enough to maybe buy it
>>339795575
That's not even a game, it's a manga. All Acquire Wizardry games are animu though.
>>339792448
Yeah... they tried to do an outdoor engine with terrain rendering without 3d hardware. Pure software on a Pentium MMX. Without John Carmack, Ken Silverman, or Tim Sweeney.
Their ambition was greater than their limits.
I like this game
>>339795665
And this is a 2014 PS4 racing game. What is the point of PCs being more powerful?
>>339795742
Why there is a penis spell?
>>339795910
blobber is not an uncommon term for these types of RPGs friend
This is a 1997 console game
>>339795558
pretty sure you can role a m/f orc. and those are the niggers of high fantasy.
>>339796009
you don't cast fireballs from your penis?
>>339796002
so you can play without falling asleep from boredom
Will Bard's Tale 4 be good?
>>339796117
IT'S JUST NOT THE SAME
>>339796002
>30fps
>>339796117
Not in MM6. You can be a homo looking nigger in MM3 though
>>339796002
Holy shit! I thought Grid had terrible physics.
At least it runs at 3200x1800 60fps though O guess.
Should I play this or Ultima 4 first?
>>339796068
The fuck is a blobber?
>>339796229
are you sure?
>>339796346
You quoted the wrong webm,
>>339795207
i like it
>>339796425
>NOT PLAYING QFTA
THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING ON THIS WEBSITE GO GOGO
>>339795186
it's weird how often better graphics are use for can't-see-shit environments
>>339793840
there was actually a decent amount of time where consoles and arcades had better graphics than PC
>>339796116
And this is a 1998 PC game
>>339796443
A nickname for RPGs where you play as an amorphous blob of characters that move and behave as a single entity.
>>339796317
damn you are right. only straight white cis people.
this is very problematic...
>>339795207
>these reviews
shit mang, i really wanted to play a simple old style RPG but these reviews say its bad, could that simply be because its turn and grid based like legend of grimrock? Thats what one of their complaints was. Because this looks more like what i hoped that game would be but i dont wanna get it if its some hipsters art project that lacks a bunch of shit essential to the genre
>>339796667
Do people see themselves as a 6 headed being when playing those games?
>>339796667
so dungeon crawlers? We needed to rename it why?
This is a 2007 PC game
>yfw wow has forever ruined traditional fantasy art
>>339796705
that nigga on the right looks like a huehue tho
>>339794920
Why do people always stand still and allow themselves to be hit in Elder Scrolls combat webms/gifs?
>>339796770
>>339796781
It was used to shittalk the genre at first (because blob combat with no importance with party positioning even though that's not necessarily true) but it lost its negative connotation over time.
>>339794198
Looks like Undertale.
I haven't actually played Undertale so don't sperg me if I said something stupid.
That being said, if a game as simple as Undertale can make you rich, why don't more amateur programmers make games like it?
>>339796946
Have you ever been in combat? You lose the fight the moment you sway and fall over.
>>339796946
Because stagger, recoil, flinching, and basic combat mechanics don't exist in TES. The closest we ever got was morrowind. But even that didn't have the complete basics.
>>339797181
Have you ever played a video game? You lose when you allow yourself to be hit more than you are hitting the enemy.
>>339797145
Wizardry isn't that simple. Look up the SA LP of wizardry 4 if you want to feel casual. It's one of those games I've always wanted to play but don't want to put in the effort to beat it.
>>339792448
It has more role play elements than AAA games these days
>>339794439
JRPGs
Shit like Final Fantasy promoted linear games with cinematics.
>>339797349
role play elements is a meme buzzword. MM6 is just plain fun
>>339797425
what makes it so good? if you were to clone all the core gameplay mechanics, what else would you have to do to achieve the same feel?
>>339797425
Fun indeed. No offense in my previous post, though.
>>339797213
I don't understand what any of that has to do with what I asked. I asked why do the players stand still. As in, why don't they move out of range of enemy attacks and only return into range when they are ready to execute a powerful attack.
>>339794439
A good chunk of western game devs throughout the 80s/early 90s were tabletop gamers who wanted to recreate their campaigns on the computer screen.
>>339797425
fun is a meme buzzword too, anon
>>339797505
World and dungeon design really. I really like the aesthetic and music too. The core mechanics aren't anything special and I'd say wiz8 mechanics would be better to emulate.
>>339797573
what's wrong with that post? saying something is good because its fun is like saying its good because its good; its entirely subjective and adds nothing to a critical view of a game.
>>339792448
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPa3HBVM4_E
>>339795498
Not really. Legend of Grimrock 2 was my gaming highlight of the year 2014. That game was easily the best dungeon crawler I've ever played.
>i also don't consider wiz 6-7-8 to be true wizardry games but random games that happen to feature the name wizardry; and i've already gone over the multiple reasons why. DW Bradley literally killed everything good in the wizardry formula starting with wiz 6 and it took the japs to bring the series back to its glory days
Is he right, /v/?
>>339797954
link?
>>339796116
No it isn't.
>>339798010
>he doesn't know the greatest fps of the 90s
>>339797528
If you don't then you're kinda retarded. There's no point unless you're a range fighter. But when you're mellee it's different. Since there's no basic combat mechanics to force the player to take advantage of trading, blocking, and dodging attacks, all you do is simply attack and heal until you win.
In a game with basic combat mechanics you would just bait out an attack, then respond with your own since the enemy would be open to attack on whiff. In Shitrim there's no concept of whiffing at all. You could simply keep swinging without worrying about getting staggered and being put at a disadvantage on the next swing, leading to another stagger.
Might and Magic 7 >>>> [POWER GAP] >>>>>> mm6 > mm8 >>>>> who cares
>>339794238
>>339794439
>I am a casual who only plays the most mass marketed games, then complains videogames are all dead
End yourselves
>>339797954
They were obviously experimental but Wizardry games all the same. He's just splitting hairs. Might as well say Wiz 3 isn't a real one either.
DUDE WIZARDRY LMAO
>>339794238
>Le consoles boogieman may may.
Here's your (you).
>>339798498
but that's exactly what happened to TES
>>339796116
>hl2 2013
Weird filename
>>339798482
>tfw gave up on this game because I couldn't make the party I wanted because of shit rolls
I'll play it this summer I swear!
>>339796485
wat
>>339797954
Wizardry 6 was the peak, I really wish the nips made something like that. 7 and 8 didn't feel like dungeon crawlers anymore.
>nobody bought MMX
>series is deader than dead
Thanks
>>339798664
There's plenty of Wizardry derivatives that takes elements of 6, but mix it with 5.
>>339792448
Where's the best place to play this game again?
I have seriously fond memories of it and would love to try playing it again.
I looked on GoG but they have so much crap, I don't know which is the right one to purchase.
>>339798562
And Deux Ex and Bioshock
>>339798719
>implying ubishit deserves to profit off of beloved franchises
>>339798887
The GOG version is fine.
>>339798719
well, what did they expect. they did a cheap remake of the pre-6 genre instead of a proper remake of the newer genre
>>339798887
6 pack is the right one, it worked flawlessly for me (w7). Just make sure you install the fanpatch on top, it adds nice utility.
I with RPGs were more like older ones in that you can directly ask about things they mentioned in their talks and learn more about the quest and world that way. Make it feel like you are actually talking to them.
Instead of just chosing a predetermined response.
>>339798887
GOG has a pack for the first 6 games for 10 bucks. Just grab that. 3-6 are all worth playing. Get the grayface patch for 6 and make a music folder and copy the files in your sound folder to your music folder. I would also recommend getting the resolution mod that lets you play in a window at a resolution larger than the default one. For the DOSbox games you can get an MT-32 emulator for better sounding music.
>>339799086
Voice acting ruined it.
>>339798201
>all you do is simply attack and heal until you win.
Or you could attack and avoid getting hit in the first place. Lack of complex mechanics have nothing to do with my observation that these suckers just let themselves be hit! You CAN dodge attacks by just not being there when the attack animation completes!
>>339798953
which was retarded. rather than trying to copy cheap indie stuff, they should have made a proper open world game. The noobs would call it skyrim with a party and more loot, but i would swallow my rage for getting another game like mm6
>>339792448
98 was a good year.
>>339792448
>Playing this with your three friends, each controlling a different aspect of the game like movement/clicking, and having a character each.
Honestly the best vidya experience I ever had.
>>339799250
That shit's expensive and by proving nobody cares about Might and Magic you'll never get a new one
Or maybe we do, by another studio, but people will just nitpick it and it will another thousand copies
>>339798953
Pre-6 would've been fine if they had a decent budget.
>>339799168
Because staggers almost never happen, you can keep on swinging even after whiffing. NPCs do this, so there's absolutely no advantage in baiting attacks since you'll just get hit in the next swing anyways. Baiting in skyrim and oblivion is a worthless waste of time when you're simply reducing your damage output while taking the same amount of damage. The only time you should be kiting an enemy is when you have a superior ranged mellee weapon, or a bow.
>>339792448
So was this.
>>339798948
>>339799021
>>339799153
Thanks anons, I'll definitely get it then. Can't wait to play it again.
>>339799250
With all these indy games, I can't belive no one has tried to mimic mm6. I'd even help fund a kickstarter if there was actual effort in it.
>>339799446
The thing is, other studios have already released games in that genre fairly recently, and they were pretty good.
No one has made a game that's played like M&M6 since the trilogy.
>>339799606
That's true. At least the new Bard's Tale seems to be trying some new stuff.
>>339799168
>>339799529
But in the case of Oblivion you can bait out attacks if you have way more movement speed than the enemy. You can do hit and run tacktics only because of speed and athletics. But Shitrim is completely fucked in that department.
>>339796728
>NVidia tech demo vs lego lord of thge rings
love it
>>339799585
shit's tough, man. it's been a month so far and I think I'll be done in about 5 years, not including art
it doesn't help that I've never made a 3d game before
>>339799402
only if you hire celebrities to do full voice acting, and spazz on special effects. notch the graphics down and stylize them a little bit so you can have vast open areas, and fuck va, you have solved that problem.
>Thread full of people singing praises for dungeon crawlers
>no love for the first two might and magic games
kill urselves my men
>>339792448
what is this looks like might and magic or maybe one of the elder scrolls games
>>339799817
Give me five reasons to play the first two games and I will consider it
>>339799817
I had the genesis port of 2. Fucking loved that game. It might be nostalgia, but it's one of my favorites of the series.
>>339799786
Oblivion also has staggering when you block attacks, which makes the combat a lot better. It's pretty good when level scaling doesnt turn people into damage sponges.
>>339797145
A lot of people don't understand the bits that make Undertale charming. They might be able to make a game that's superficially like Undertale but the meme-mix has to be spot-on for it to really work.
>>339792448
I CAN STILL HEAR THE WIZARD EYE SFX
*BWEEDLEE BW-BWEDLEE...MWA HA!*
>>339794837
Posting best girl
>>339792448
And a damn good one
>>339799805
Godspeed anon.
You leave me no other choice.
PCucks on suicide watch.
>>339792448
WHO /shrapmetal/ HERE?
>>339796616
remember when PC fags couldn't even get smooth scrolling right for years? The NES rolled out with a game that had that shit downpat.
The wars actually meant something back then.
>>339802441
>not having a party of 5 liches and spamming souldrinker
>>339802443
No I don't remember that because I'm not 40 years old.
This is a 1992 PC game.
This is a 1996 PC game
>>339802548
go to bed already, child.
>>339797145
There's a bazillion indie games anon.
It's a roll of the dice.
>>339802395
Fact: nobody intelligent ever used this reactionface
>>339796710
im a huge Might and Magic fan and i loved it, its worth the price just to try and if you dont dig it just get your refund before 2 hours passes
>>339792448
>those russians will never finish the lewd paperdoll mod for 7/8...it was one of the two, added new races like genies or something to the vampire and dragon ones and made them all into nude babes
>>339794128
Enjoy Etrian Odyssey
>>339803056
Fact: nobody intelligent ever used Vita
>>339801925
1992 was heaven on earth if you were Amigafag.
Then 1993 and Doom happened and it was downhill ever since.
>>339802298
Wow, and I thought that the 'modern JRPGS are all moe crap' meme was just a meme. Good god.
>>339803560
Name one thing why that's bad
Sexy girls + Good gameplay
>>339802443
Who could have predicted how would IBM PC skyrocketed after parts manufacturers reverse engineered the shit out of it.
Certainly not Commodore nor Amiga.I'm turning 33 next week.
>>339803968
>thought IBM went bankrupt ages ago
>they are now worth more than they ever did
Life is weird
>>339803560
The vita audience has extremely low standards and is very easy to please.
>>339792448
>clearing tomb of VARN
>spam shrapmetal until sorcerer runs out of SP
>place Lloyd's beacon
>town portal to New Sorpigal
>go to the temple to heal up to full
>Lloyd's beacon back
Who else did this?
>>339804336
>tomb of VARN
Don't you have maxed out energy weapons at this point? You can just click through enemies effortlessly.
>>339804336
I did this in Castle Darkmoor.
Fuck that place. Took me almost 3 hours to clean that place out.
This is a 2000 console game
>>339795558
>>339796705
>mfw all the series that defined the genre are dead
At least wizardry went out with a bang
>>339792448
This game is still fresh. Even today.
>>339802551
Good old Darklands.
>>339804078
If you're talking about corporate computing solutions, IBM always has been and probably always will be the last word.
>>339799786
>But in the case of Oblivion you can bait out attacks if you have way more movement speed than the enemy.
Which doesn't exist in Skyrim
>>339805518
Fucking Castle Darkmoor, man. Worst dungeon in the whole game. Filled with retarded eyes and liches that dispel all of your buffs and drain all of your spell points. Fuck that place.
>>339805320
No, you get the control cube from the tomb of VARN which is required to enter the control center, where you find the blasters.
I really hate the 90's era PC game aesthetic. It's like western devs have no idea how to make appealing art direction. It's a shame too, since there are tons of great games from that time period, but they all look like shit.
It's not the lack of polygons or special effects, but they just have no fucking art direction. Even in fantasy and sci-fi games, where they could do anything they want, it's always "let's make everyone look as realistic as we can make them and then fill everything else with uncanny spritework and poorly textured 3D models."
Japan was the only country that gave a shit at the time. Go and look at something like Panzer Dragoon Saga. Released in 1998 on a system that could hardly handle 3D models, yet I still think that game looks great because of how wonderful the world design and art direction were.
>>339803949
I don't like the aesthetic. Maybe if it was a game full of girls drawn in 80's anime style I could accept it as not being an obvious downside, visually, but then there'd still be the daft stories, and fuck lazy visual novel style storytelling.
>>339792731
I'm the one you want!
>>339794837
I chose to join him at the end. Sucks to be me.
M&M6 and 7 were the shit
Probably sunk 400+ hours into the two of them combined back in the day
![e3fb98c9d099f0c20463cefbddb0285e-650-80[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vXEfzXJ.jpg "e3fb98c9d099f0c20463cefbddb0285e-650-80[1]")
this is a 1992 PC game
>>339807049
>Ultima changed and evolved with each and every game, both its main games and spinoffs setting a standard time and again, ending with Ultima Online
>Last few games of the main series were deliberately shitting on the series because of Electronic Arts's stranglehold on Origin Games
>Might&Magic evolved over the course of its series from simple turn based to semi-active on field combat then to full real time and free movement, effectively becoming a goofy but great first person shooter
>Hit its high point with 6 and the later games hardly changed, games seen as dated on release, an attempted revival was just a mediocre M&M4-like
>Wizardry slowly grew at first and stuck to its turn based guns, but leaped ahead with a kick ass final game that dramatically improved upon itself and adapted to modern conventions and a full 3D world without becoming schlock
>Japan took the series and made a bunch of budget, "hard" generic fantasy early Wizardry wannabes before the series actually became bizarrely awesome science fantasy setting-wise.
Good times.
>>339793840
and might an magic always looked old, point being?
>>339808110
Still go back to it occasionally but one can handle only so many raubritters and satanists before it gets boring.
>>339799805
You are doing god's work, anon. It could help to let know them Russkies, since they all love old M&M games and even are making mods to this day. For both Heroes and 6, 7 and 8.
>>339794439
Console babbies
>>339809295
>Hit its high point with 6
what the fuck do you smoke, the high point is World of Xeen
>>339795192
>I have nothing against jap games but I can't stand weebshit.
you are retarded. and missing out better gameplay than the garbage OP posted
>>339795207
>same panel of wall copy pasted fucking everywhere
>two types of flooring randomly mixed between dirt covered and seeing the bricks.
>the walls dont even make sense from an architectural standpoint just random shapes everywhere
Disgusting.
>>339808743
Still better than anything you can play today, nowadays you have corridors with fite rooms.
What's the fun in clearing dungeons if you can't even lose your bearings?
>bought Legend of Grimrock from steam winter sale 2014
>enjoyed it a lot, but only played for 5 hours and then dropped it for no reason
>haven't touched it every since
H-help... it happened again. I have like 20 games in my backlog that I played for few hours, enjoyed them, and then never played them again.
>>339799530
OMG, thankyou! I've been looking for this game for ages. I remember playing the demo in highschool but I couldn't remember the name.
>>339796116
This is a 1994 pc exclusive
>>339794837
Posts like this are how I know some people here actually played some decent video games in their lives.
>>339811274
What is this?
>>339811583
Gonna take a stab and say System Shock.
>>339811583
system shock remastered
I liked Quest for Glory
>>339794439
Because systems. Good systems are much more difficult to design and execute than whatever writing you have. Shit, Ultima Underworld 2 still wipes the floor with most RPGs in that department. For it's time UU2 was a game out of this world.
>>339809295
I have no idea why M&M phased out that same SF meets fantasy angle as well. Someone actually turned the series into pure fantasy and considered that improvement.
>>339797737
>Legend of Grimrock 2 was my gaming highlight of the year 2014.
I cannot for the life of me figure out why LoG2 did so poorly in sales. Like, it fucking bombed compared to the first game.
>>339814383
>play MM7 back in the day
>think the people in the intro were actual monsters, and the reveal at the end totally surprised me
>replay it as an adult
>they are obviously scuba divers
I felt really dumb
>>339814506
Lack of marketing (it had very little hype compared to the first game)
Looked too similar and people assumed it was a rehash
Personally found the price too high, probably many other people did too
There was also the lack of surprise, Grimrock was really unique, while 2 was more of the same
>>339809295
Wiz8 was a great way out though, unlike U9 or M&M9. Still unmatched character creation in my opinion.
>>339814125
>mfw I realized Looking Glass responsible for Ultima Underworld, System Shock, Thief and then their devs moved to work on Deus Ex
Jesus Christ, how much talent can you have?
>>339794579
>>339795892
reminder that those horn things are real, they were used by desert people to store the piss when they urinated. so they just left them all, pissed in them whenever and when water got short you drank it
so those guys are literally just washing their dicks with their own piss
>M&M
>Heroes of M&M
they're all dead.
>>339802298
>Moe weebshit dungeon crawlers
Only good one in that subgenre is EO though.
>>339794010
I loved the amiga for that.
>>339815684
does anybody still remember lands of lore?
>>339816040
Not after the third game.
>Read this thread
>Remember being a teenager "acquiring" content via forums and CD's sent through the post
>Can't remember which games came out, check wiki
WHAT A GLORIOUS YEAR: Rainbow 6, Thief, Starcraft, Settlers 3
I mean look at this glorious bastard! The hours I put into this... and trying to download naked pictures of Denise Van Outen.
Glorious!
>>339817189
>Thief
Anon...
>>339817381
Dungeon Keeper Mobile broke me long before Thief 4 came out
So THIS, is the power of PC.
>>339808927
Kill yourself.
>>339794198
Wizardry was such an amazing game. Sadly what happened to it.
>>339794010
>Got Wizardry 6-8
>Still stuck on making a party to play through the entire thing
>Bought Elminage Gothic
>Couldn't handle the map being a destructible item or a spell to use
>Just haven't bothered finishing Legends of Grimrock before starting up 2
Modern games spoiled me on playing old Crawlers.
Also not that many new Dungeon Crawlers on PC coming out, But Stranger of Sword City seems interesting at least.
>>339818347
I shouldn't recognzie those "girls" but i do
>>339809295
>an attempted revival was just a mediocre M&M4-like
god M&M X made me fucking disappointed.
Also VI > V Suck it gridfags.
>>339819048
Rondo is the future of eroges.
>>339794579
how the fuck do you pronounce LLLI?
>>339797729
Example of a critical view of a game without being subjective?
Who /lordsofxulima/ here?
>>339810254
lol
>>339792448
Yes. And I still play it to this day.
The irony is it's better proportioned than the typical open world trash we get today.
>those houses in Fallout 4 that just have a flight of stairs
Video gaming sure has gone far in 20 years.
>>339819723
> /lordsofxulima/
Sadly overlooked game, in my opinion. It's not 10/10 but I've never heard it mentioned, not even /v/ goes all alt and decides to suck Serpent in the Staglands and Age of Decadence's dick or something.
>>339802603
>I'm reading this as I'm waking up
>Look when it was posted
You made me wut so hard
>friend tells me how to get to the easter egg dev room at the start of the game
>doesn't mention the dragons
>>339820008
Anyone who has played Might and Magic or Ultima or Wizardy should only be able to look at the game map once and fall in love with it.
>>339818567
Please make your your bloodline ends with you.
>>339820008
I've never heard of any discussion of Heroes of a Broken Land, or The Fall of the Dungeon Guardians either.
>>339820329
Nope.
>isometric trash
>turn based jrpg battles
Call me when someone makes something good like Grimrock.
>>339792448
>map porn
>>339820430
>moefag
>procreating
How does m&m compare to wizardry?
>>339818884
>the map being a destructible item
It breaks extremely rarely and an alchemist can fix it.
>>339820641
it melts in your mouth, not in your hand
>>339820778
Don't you ever reply to me again
>>339820552
>Spider infested cavern
>map is shaped like aspider
guys I'm going to be a fag and ask for help and maybe someone feels like being nice today?
I used to play RPG's like Darksun and other D&D games on the PC. Then I stopped. I really wanted to try and go back to dungeon crawlers and/or more open-ended RPG's but I have no idea where to start.
I tried to play Baldur's Gate 1 but I had trouble getting into it.
>>339820880
vaporwave thread is two blocks down >>339804014
>>339821027
>I tried to play Baldur's Gate 1 but I had trouble getting into it.
You need to be more specific about why. And yes, it is a shame everyone just takes BG1 as blueprint for CRPG when there was an entire SSI generation before with their own take on the genre.
>>339792448
God I love Might and Magic 6. Best in the series.
>>339821126
Don't make me hurt you
>>339821027
Play Lords of Xulima. It's like Baldur's Gate with a food mechanic and combat out of a dungeon crawler.
>>339796705
I wouldn't go that far. A lot of the portraits look like gay people.
>>339821027
Legend of Grimrock 1 and 2.
New games. Easy on the eyes.
Some good puzzles and a good battle system.
If you want an old game - Anvil of Dawn.
>>339821410
How does someone look gay without a penis in their butt.
>>339821489
How come Anvil of Dawn is never brought up? It's a great game and it's rarely ever mentioned.
>>339819569
one schfifty one, but she's more commonly called Stupid Cunt.
>>339821156
it's hard to pin down why. I'm not sure. Maybe I'm a pleb and Darksun and Ravenloft games were a bit easier? BG was super fucking hardcore. Then again, when I played Xcom I played on impossible where it was like a good ol' D&D, one wrong move and your whole party dies.
I don't even remember, in BG do you even make a party? I don't think so. Darksun was just so much easier to get into right at the get-go. You made a party, customizing each character, and then fought in an arena at the beginning. The story was more engaging, imo.
>>339821258
>>339821489
cool, cool, I'm looking them up now, thanks
>>339821526
The same way you can walk down the street, see a dude and think, Yeah he's gay.
>>339821723
I usually figure out a guy is gay when the tip of his penis is stroking my prostate. I'm a bit slow, I know.
>>339822023
That's like iceberg slow.
>>339821575
Ignorance.
What's the general consensus on Stonekeep?
>>339821575
>Anvil of Dawn
Remember it looking like a knock-off Lands of Lore at the time, I'd long shifted to isometric rpgs by the chance I had to get it.
>>339821604
You don't make a party in BG but you get a few good party members almost right after start. It's not a very hard game imo but you need to quicksave a lot to avoid getting frustrated. If someone dies in combat you might as well load your last save instead of carrying all their shit and paying out the ass to revive them at a shrine.
Also you should give everyone a ranged weapon at the start to weaken enemies before they get to melee range. It's a pretty op strategy.
>>339820641
It's easier. You can always see what you're going to fight from a distance
>>339822023
some people just look gay
>>339818740
Wizardry IV happened
>>339822162
It was poorly received when it was released.
The trailer looked amazing back in the day though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9C7-owTpxU
>>339821604
>Dark Sun
>easier than anything
What Dark Sun did you play? Even random encounters pushed your shit in, never mind the late game creatures like Vrocks
>>339822162
Did that release with a novella? Swear I've got one laying about.
>>339822162
Got it for Christmas one year. Was more fun than I expected, not state-of-the-art graphics for the time but a decent first person dungeon crawler
>>339823060
Yes it did. Still have it at my parents house. From what I recall it wasn't too bad either.
>>339822331
My problem with Lands of Lore is the textures. The textures in the wood are too pixel hunty for my taste. On a crt monitor it's even worse.
>>339802298
>nothing but kawaii moe weebshit
>>339823256
Blame dungeon crawlers dying in the west during the late 90s.
>>339823060
I played shattered lands. I don't know.... I beat the game when I was 12 years old. When I played BG I had a few party wipes and wasn't that into it so I just stopped playing.
Then again, I'm sure I had 100+ party wipes in darksun, I just liked it more.
>>339796891
man they really fucked up the foliage in that port didn't they.
>>339794238
>>rpg's used to be all about the gameplay
Don't kid yourself. I like mandate of heaven but that game's combat consists of pressing one button over and over.
>>339795498
Try looking into the roguelike threads on /vg/. Stone Soup alone will keep you occupied for months.
I don't get this thread.
We have mixed games from 2d to 3d, so what?
It's not like 2d games are bad just because they aren't 3d real life graphics.
This is the best 1998 game.
No others are better than this 1998 game.
>>339824217
Modding community a best.
>>339795665
>Those people clapping
Goddamn Americans
>>339824217
Wrong.
>>339824702
War....
War never changes...
>>339824702
>>339824940
maybe you two have some free time on your hands and have not seen this yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa5IzHhAdi4
>>339823389
Why do people keep saying this when we're still getting western dungeon crawlers drom indie studios and yuropoors
>>339825261
>24:25
>how to meme
>the pile of shit that was NG+ Grus
>>339792448
i loved this game.
6,7,8 are best.
i hate it that the "remakes" have the restricted walking, it isn't that restriction that made this games fun you fucking morong devs.
grimrock, legacy, i fucking hate the devs for doing it like that.
>>339794198
NOW WATCH ME WHIP
>>339792448
This is a 1993 PC game
>>339825592
Step based crawlers are fun. Get some taste.
>>339824217
Thief.
Are there any dungeon crawlers which focus on the story without it being an excuse just to descent into the dungeon and whack enemies? No Might & Magic please.
>>339825912
Is that Krondor or Antara?
>>339825913
but i wanted a good magic remake not this fucking grimock like shit.
>>339796705
Is that Christian Bale on the left?
this is a 1998 pc game. all the space sims now are online only, mmo, pay2win beta garbage. what happened?
>>339826241
Grimrock is based off dungeon master not might and magic. Also go play world of xeen you plebeian.
>>339826160
Krondor
>>339810254
>he plays dungeon crawlers with his dick
>>339826419
>Grimrock is based off dungeon master not might and magic.
and this is why i don't wanted the magic remake to be like grimrock but it is more like grimrock than m&m 6,7,8.
>>339826576
It's not like grimrock in the slightest other than being step based.
>>339824447
>modding community
>now $10 shitty indie games
>kickstarter
It's amazing how when shit was released for free it had actual quality and was super fun.
>>339826762
It's also amazing how valve killed off that same modding community with lack of support and updates that broke everything
>>339826695
it is shit, unlike 6,7,8.
See you, cheapskate.
>>339826942
8 sucks.
This is a 1988 PC game.
You didn't savescum dragon/titan corpses for artifacts, did you?
>>339827326
nope but i liked the dragons that you could kill with one shot and then loot them even if you were underleveled.
>>339802298
japan is a moeshit factory at this point
>>339827326
I never savescummed. But I did hunt down every last dragon and titan in the game hoping to get artifacts/relics.
Then I would wait around till respawn and do it all over again.
>>339825261
>post-mortem of Fallout
>STEAL EVERYTHING
The music in this game was godly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ5XjRBTEpU
>>339827326
Only on the island dragon in MM7, and even then it's just til I get a usable weapon for which ever character I consider my main.
Everything else gets discarded, honest!
>>339827326
I wanted to try a breaking run in MM7 and killed the red dragon in the cave on that starting island, took me damn near 10 minutes to kill that thing. Was worth it for those artifacts.
>>339794198
fucking footfags.
>>339796946
because they just came off morrowind.
>>339828213
MM6's OST shits all over MM7's, I wonder what went wrong with MM7's OST.
Is this instant death bullshit as bad as everyone says it is in Wizardry? I enjoy a challenge but RNG isn't challenge.
This is a game from 2008 that runs on both pc and console without any problems
>>339828813
depends on the wizardry game
>>339796728nvidia pixies always gave me a hard on
>>339797252
this rule one of playing video games is don't stand still if you don't have too.
>>339795665
this is a 2016 PS4 racing game
>>339802298
I always thought that "vita in weebshit handheld" is just a meme. Holy shit, was I wrong.
>>339795665
Wow, a 2006 ps3 launch game looked better than this
>>339821575
It's decent but I have 1 major issue with it; no way to rest other than standing still for minutes.
Has anyone played 7 mages? Apparently you can split your team in it during combat which sounds like it could get interesting.
>>339792448
I liked 7 better
this is a 1999 PC exclusive, running in software mode
>>339829961
I remeber Delta force had voxels too.
Is there anyone old enough to know what the M&M fanbase thought of M&M6 when it first released, it was a huge departure from the old grid based gameplay. I imagine can only imagine what the shitposting would be like on /v/ if this happened today.
>>339820552
is this supreme temple of baa?
>>339828213
comfy af, saved
>>339831167
paul romeros music, especially his snow themed music is probably one of the few times where comfy can be used correctly
>>339831167
the whole soundtrack is top tier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3HA-QNYzQs
>>339829961
>muh voxels
Voxels work great for sculpting 3d models. Not much more.
>>339832036
euclidean is "muh atoms" though
>>339792448
I used to play the shit out of that game as a kid. It was the tits
>>339809047
>I chose to join him at the end.
Wait, you can?
>>339832220
They used Sparse Voxel Octree aka the John Carmack Magnum Opus "all games will use this by 2008". Kappa.
>>339829961
>Install game
>Watch the intro
>Game uninstalls
Also all the goddamn times I replayed it I forgot to turn on the subtitles and then was greeted by the deafening orchestral soundtrack.
Do they still make first person dungeon crawlers? Or was Legend of Grimrock the last one?
>>339796946
Its not easy to dodge in Skyrim.
You have to solely focus on that and even then the enemies might one hit kill your with with their "cinematic" executions if you try moving away from them or just standing still near them.
>>339802335
> 2 frames per year
Keked
>>339832560
They still make them. They're just not high profile games.
This is a 1999 game.I miss original EQ so much.
>>339832560
if you can tolerate animu moeshit japan still makes them
>>339798595
I tried to play it and it was hard like balls. Any tips on how not to suck in these kind of games?
>>339833184
I suck ass at these games so I can't give you good advice.
>>339832772
I certainly do not miss UI's taking up 75% of the screen.
>>339833353
Well, waiting for another reply then.
>>339792448
You aren't even trying.
This was actually from 1997 too, although clearly, not the height of graphics. A lot of the prepackaged scenarios are still better than many modern RPG's though, and have more actual play time and content.
The main series games that preceded it, the Exile Series, have far, far more content than many modern RPGS and shit loads of dialogue.
I wish PC still had mid-tier devs making RPGs, now its just indie shit or AAA focus tested garbage
>>339833545
>>339833184
Females get the best gender specific gear in the game and Valkyries are good. Wizardry 8 is easiest for party creation and you don't have to worry about multiclassing in it.
>>339823684
>gameplay is only about controls
I be you think all RTS is shit because you only use the mouse buttons.
>>339823684
You mean pressing 3 buttons over and over.
>>339792448
Anyone have a good setup for playing this game with WASD? The manual doesn't actually list all of the controls for the game.
>>339834580
That's what kikestarter is for
That feel when this thread inspired me
I am going to make dungeon crawler in Unity
>>339837109
Good luck anon.
>>339792448
So is this
>>339838065
so this... is the power.... of Japanese PC gaming......
>>339824217
>Unreal
>Turok 2
>>339815684
>Be a giant
>In a dungeon.
>Your life is basically that vent scene in every movie ever.
>Gotta use the bathroom
>Adventurers are in the way
>There is no way around them
>Because you're a goddamn giant in a goddamn dungeon.
Are there any good amateur dungeon crawlers?
>>339828702
Everything about MM6 was better than MM7. MM6 was just a better game.
>>339792448
This is a 1997 PC game
>Its physics were only surpased by its own sequel and then it got the invitus up to 2007 untill dirt 1 came out
Thanks fagget for remind me how shit it was.
Dungeon crawlers are not dead. They're making a new one, Bard's Tale IV.
>>339839115
Legend of Grimrock was pretty fun. Sequel is better in every way, play 2 if you only have the patience to play one.
>>339792448
skyrim 1?
>>339797528
because combat is so floaty, dodging hits rarely works. You can't even parry incoming blows, because block isn't responsive enough, you can only turtle behind block.
In Skyrim's combat, winner is who can out-DPS the enemy. And if NPC can deal more DPS than you, you still win, since you have instant-healing potions avaliable via active pause menu
>>339801925
weird, I had it for both Amiga 500 and 286 PC, and I don't remember difference beign this drastic
>>339796710
It's got very positive for user reviews on Steam.
I wouldn't put too much stock into reviews of smaller indie games, they can be very hit or miss whether you will love them or not.
>>339797145
>That being said, if a game as simple as Undertale can make you rich, why don't more amateur programmers make games like it?
Because after your game is good enough it takes a certain amount of luck for whether it will sell 10k, 100k or 1m copies.
>>339829553
It also had a very interesting take on a concept of final boss fight...
>>339838065
>jpg
You don't have a .png or .gif version don't you?
>>339798934
don't forget New Vegas
>>339796346
>GRID
>terrible physics
Arcade game, they're not meant to be realistic. I'm just happy it runs on a 2007 AMD laptop CPU.
Could someone answer me two quick questions about Gothic? Playing it for the first time but I don't want to look up a walkthrough.
First, how do I into magic? I wanted to play as a mage but so far I haven't figured this out. Nigga at New Camp can give me more mana, and he apparently sells some magic books, but I have no idea how to use that shit. It's kind of annoying because no one in this fucking shithole pays you in cash, so I need to fight to make some money. But right now my only option is to pump points in sword and strength. Not that I'm completely against going spellsword, but I don't know if this game has enough skill points for hybrid builds. And while I don't hate sword combat, the way blocking works is the most infuriating shit ever.
Second, is killing certain types of enemies level-locked? Because right now I can't damage shit like crocodiles and crawlers. I can hit them, all right, but I do zero damage.
>>339794837
COME HERE TO TRAIN!?
GOOD JOB!
GOOD JOB!
GOOD JOB!
GOOD JOB!
>>339796616
Not in 98 though
>>339844638
You must join to new camp and then after you became a Mercenary you can be mage or join Old camp and became a fire mage
>>339844638
Point is - which chapter. Later in game you get choice to be fire mage in Old Camp, Water - new and get psionic shit from Weed Camp. Just play, you will eventually get toward it.
Many enemies have shitload of HP and on lower levels damaging them is fucking hard. They work as stop element to don't get into some areas too soon. But you can outsmart system in a few points and get sweet items for future.
>>339844757
No, but when the ps2 was released, PC could not hold up, they got stuck in the last days of the original glide (3dfx) and the start of direct3d with dx5 beacuse 3.5 for 95 was bullshit.
This made programming very confusing compared to the ps2 wich everyone knew what was going to be there, its because of this difference that consolefags keep deluding himselfs about graphics on consoles.
Those were shit days, the 1st medal of honor saved the day.
>>339844817
Ah. Welp, so it's not happening for a while. Thanks, anon. Guess I'm buying some more strength. Actually, which is better, getting +20 strength, or getting that second level at one-handed sword?
>>339845276
I have pro tip for ya - go into melee right now. Get better weapon by high str and then train.
>>339832772
That is so fucking dumb.
450pp is a good price for those, why add all the other shit to confuse things?
>>339794861
underrated post
>>339845105
Yeah, I only just started, still in Chapter 1. Got lost like a bitch while trying to find that guy who teaches hunting skills and ended up in New Camp. The main quest right now feels very loose, so I'm mostly just dicking around. My options for movement and exploration are somewhat restricted, to say the least. At level 3 I can kill birds, pigs, and wasps reasonably well, and managed to off the occasional lizard that blocked my way as I was running away from black goblins and wolves. I don't even know the way back to Old Camp.
Weed Camp sounds fun, though. And psionic magic sounds great.
>>339839367
Did Insanity status actually do anything in MM6?
>>339845883
>Birds
>Pigs
Uhh... Anon? You probably mean. Monsters birds and pink skin rats. Anyway, main quest is very easy to follow after you join faction. I suggest Old Camp for first playthrough, but it is up to you.
>>339845883
The best protip:
You have to kill all enemie in Chapter 1 before going to Chapter 2 because enemies respawn in next chapters
>>339846008
Drops your int and personality through floor. But doubles your might and increases endurance somewhat too.
Its awesome for a knight but thats about it.
>>339844638
>Second, is killing certain types of enemies level-locked?
You must just git gud, put all skill points in STR
>>339845543
I might take this advice. Really, my biggest problem with melee is that once you resort to blocking you are at the mercy of the AI. If it moves away for a second, you can turn. If it keeps breathing in your face, you have to stand still without the ability to even change direction, until it eventually gets through your block and you are ded. Being rooted like that feels weird as fuck.
>>339795558
niggas gon get u white boi
>>339845883
The most important thing: DON'T DRINK STAT/+HP/+Mana POTIONS BEFORE REACH MAX NUMBER OF THEM (300)
>>339816040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaprXcO2Hfs
i think my favorite item was the bee stick
>>339846187
>>339846309
>>339846437
Old Camp, kill shit, get STR. Got it. Thanks for the help, anons. Right now I'm basically running around without any armor, with 25 STR and a sword with a 20 STR requirement. How much should I invest in it if I still want to go mage eventually?
>>339847028
Go to New camp's mine and find guy named Swiney, he will give you a miner clothes for free
>>339846353
Hrm I never noticed that when I played before.
But I usually cure it pretty quickly unless I'm in castle darkmoor with thousands of beholders.
>>339796917
Fucking this
I really missed when games looked normal
>>339847369
Thanks, man. I got lost again, but I think I'll find my way back there. Eventually.
>>339848603
GIANT
SHOULDERPADS
>>339848603
This is true. But at the same time, one of those pictures was drawn by Keith Parkinson. The other was not. And Parkinson is the GOAT when it comes to fantasy art.
>>339848903
I really hate that spese muhrines aesthetics in fantasy. That makes no sense, Space marines are genetic ubermensch with robotic armors, giant shoulderpads on medieval guys makes no sense
>>339794773
emulation fucktard
>>339797213
but they do. they are just implemented in such a bad way you'd barely ever notice...
>>339849684
still better than most modern sci-fi armor designs
see doom, halo and other shit
you can't tell them apart, maybe aside of halo's helmet
western designs usually lack a lot of personality
>>339850919
Dunno, mate. To me the nip Kamen Rider and whatever armors look just as unimaginative. They have been rehashing the same fucking design for what, 20 years now? More?
>>339802298
Dungeon Travelers 2 is the only good game there.
>>339851121
thing is - it's recognizable.
you can differ sentai (aka power rangers), kamen rider and space sheriff from each other even without knowing shit about them.
and that's only few popular kids show, then you start adding various other franchises which borrow and explore designs over and over again - and you get variety
variety western lacks.
Can you name some suit/armor designs from western franchises aside of Ironman, Chief, SpaceMarine? Also notice the thing which unites those designs? That they are pretty damn old and changed a little aka being rehashed same way.
recall last sci-fi game you played, can you recall instantly interesting designs? Or they all blended together?
Main problem is overuse of desalination - best example is bayformers - how to lose all identity as characters by adding way too many details to "wow" general public which will forget about everything aside of small moving details after the movie
sorry, just wanted to harp on it a bit
>>339798197
lol you took out the gun
>>339792448
>I was 10 years old when this game out
kill me now
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