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Arguing with a friend over it
No, it's not an videogame
It is however, a videogame
>>339787287
Kinda.
Yes.
They're just games designed for stealing your money.
>>339787582
I meant physical slot machines
>>339787615
Yes.
Gameplay sucks but it counts.
>>339787287
Slots are only cool if you are drunk and have fifty dollars to waste. The pretty colors are nice.
Not in my opinion. Gambling isn't really a game at all, it's just a rigged money sink designed to trap and prey on people with addictive personalities.
>tfw you were born too late to experience actual slot machines with levers and real slots.
Yes, they're just abhorrent.
>>339787287
I went to new orleans last year and gambled for the first time legally. Those slot machines in the OP pic confuse the shit out of me.
>>339787839
It's only rigged in the sense that the machines are designed to take in more cash than they pay out.
Really though, what's the difference between them and a MMO or FPS with a cash shop? At least you can win actual cash and not a bunch of pixels.
They're games but they're not video games.
>>339787615
Go move the goalposts at your friend.
>>339788008
Deceptive business practices.
>>339788113
What's so deceptive about slot machines?
They hardly get advertised as free money.
Depends on the machine.
>>339787287
Any game with a lose state is a video game.
Games with no lose state are typically just art projects
>>339788158
He already gave you a fucking reason.
>>339787893
Have you ever been to a casino? They still have those. Only dumb (for a slot player) people play them because the payouts are even worse than electronic 50,000 line machines.
>>339788208
Really? I'm not seeing one.
Cool your jets, hotshot.
>>339788197
>Any game with a lose state is a video game.
Any game with a lose state is a game, not necessarily a video game
They're games of luck played on a video display (for modern machines, at least.) Yeah, they're vidya.
>>339787607
Or your time.
http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/ultra-hot-pachi-game-spirit-cr-evangelion/92247-road-map-trophy-guide-3889-a.html
>At the time of this writing (2011), no one has the and no one will have it for a long time to come; mathematically speaking (based on the maximum slot spins possible in an hour) it would take 10+ YEARS of running Evangelion Pachinko 24/7 to earn all the trophies. For further perspective, the odds of a $200,000 winning ticket in Powerball, or a $250,000 winning ticket in Mega Millions, are both higher than the odds of ブランク図柄集合 .
There's no skill involved in a slot machine, so it's a lot like modern AAA titles and Hearthstone
>>339788098
I hope you feel smart for saying that, because a videogame simulating a slot machine is hardly a slot machine is it?
>>339788361
If you don't control what is displayed on the video display then it isn't a video game.
Which as far as I'm aware, slot machines don't.
>>339788491
>There's no skill involved in a slot machine
>>339788560
You adjust how much money you're betting with each spin and hit the button when ready. Bare minimum of interactivity but it's there.
>>339788512
I just glanced at it and assumed he was showing electronic slots, not one of those '15 machine' slots computer games. But on that same note, a lot of those box sets use actual electronics slots games you can find in casinos, so if one's a video game, I don't see how the other couldn't be since they play identically.
>>339788667
i genuinely hope you're not implying otherwise
>>339788667
I didn't realize you posted here, Grandma.
>>339788829
There is skill involved in slot machines, someone that has no idea when to hold and such is going to lose far more than someone who doesn't, for instance.
It is majority luck yes, but to imply there is ZERO skill is false.
>>339787615
Yes, they are as much of a game as this.
konami makes em
and so do other japanese "game" companies (pachinko)
>>339789002
we're not talking about video poker/blackjack, we're talking slot machines.
going to the casino next week what should i expect?
>>339789002
>when to hold
I've never seen a mechanic like this on a machine, and I don't know how common it is. That said, even with casino games like video poker where there is some 'skill' involved (even if it can be mastered by a simple flowchart), the odds are set so they're still in the house's favor even when you play ideally, and if you don't, all the better for them.
>>339788197
>boardgames are video games
>>339789265
I think he's talking about fruit machines. Either way, regardless of skill, all players lose money on slots
>>339789294
To lose money and realize that casinos aren't full of glamorous James Bond types they're full of degenerate chinese throwing the last of their inheritance down the drain
>>339787287
>go to Vegas 2 weeks ago
>playing slots n shit in the casino
>realize just how many slow machines look like they're supposed to appeal to children
What is the purpose if it's illegal for children to gamble?
On a side note, made a $150 profit gambling.
>>339789401
>I think he's talking about fruit machines. Either way, regardless of skill, all players lose money on slots
Hmm, slot games like those seem to be very popular on mobile, and IAPs are already pretty much gambling like with buying more chances/plays/etc...
>>339789502
If you have the money, it's fun as fuck, even if you lose your money. Feels good not being a poorfag.
>>339789502
Asians? Most of the people I see are geriatrics who have nothing better to do with their pensions while they wait around to die.
>>339789726
Slots are like that sure. The tables are full to the brim with dudebros using daddy's money and actual rich people.
>>339789518
Have you been in an arcade recently? They don't have games in them anymore, it's all claw games and stacker.
>>339789401
Yes fruit machines, which are basically slot machines.
Not all players lose money on slots, the key to not losing to gambling is to set a small budget and not spend past your winnings. When your winnings dry up, stop playing and move on.
Most people are going to lose money in total if you count their entire life but plenty have been able to keep ahead.
>>339789726
Baccarat room for asians.
>>339789849
Ah so what you're saying is the jews are basically training children to waste their money gambling at a young age, so that they'll be used to wasting their money with actual gambling?
>>339787287
They are now.
>>339789925
That strategy doesn't work to make a profit. A good chunk of the time, you will never break past even and will bust out on whatever you put in, and even when you win, if you intend to leave as soon as your winnings dry up then the most likely outcome is that you will leave that day with as much money as you put in. This is a reasonable technique to not get carried away gambling, but the value proposition on every pull of the lever is always negative, no matter how you swish around your coin cup.
No
But pachinko is
>>339787287
Yes, technically.
I wouldn't count them as such, however. They don't meet my bare minimum level of player skill tied to success.
>>339790226
Intermittent reinforcement.
It fuels the gaming and gambling market.
>>339790281
>if you intend to leave as soon as your winnings dry up
No, leave when you win good.
But also leave when it starts drying up so you don't go down that hole.
>people don't know about machine hopping
>>339787893
you jelly?
>>339789925
>plenty have been able to keep ahead.
Bull fucking shit, if you gamble for a non-trivial amount of time, you will lose money except for exceptionally rare cases.
>>339790281
This is why gambling should be done as a fun night out with some pals where you lose $50 playing a card game.
If you actually go to a casino to make money, you are doing it very wrong.
Even if you did start getting into a win streak, casinos can (and will) throw you out if you win too much.
They don't exist for people to win money. That's not the point, at all.
At least you still get the experience of a fun (hopefully) night. With the Lottery you are literally throwing away money for no gain.
>>339790524
Literally this.
I learned to do this by being in a casino for 10 minutes. Put in 5 to 10 bucks, if you don't win shit, move to the next machine. Made $100 within 30 minutes doing this.
>>339790438
It doesn't matter. Unless you win so good that you never feel the need to go back to a casino, you're always losing in the long run. Actual gambling addicts will remember the night they won $500 but disregard the seven visits in a row where they lost $100 doing basically what you're describing.
>>339790656
So how's it going for you?
Presumably on $200hr with this fool proof system you're making at least $3k/day and only leave the casino to sleep?
>>339790798
The point is, you leave when you're ahead. You don't stick around to gamble all the money you just earned. Made $200 total for that day. Keep being a shitter though.
>>339790545
Got any more pics? Genuinely curious. Also how old is that thing?
>>339790798
You'll get kicked out if you do it routinely
>>339790961
So you didn't leave after you made $100?
I don't think you've thought this strategy through anon
>>339790961
Really, because I thought the point you were trying to make is that hopping between machines is a way to beat the house edge. /v/ does keep telling me to learn how to read though.
>>339791125
I can guarantee you that any casino will let you play slot machines for as long as you want.
>>339790990
Not sure how old it is, just old as fuck
What do you want to see in particular?
>>339791235
Not if they notice you're machine hopping all the time
>>339791125
you can't game slot machines the same way you can card games that have interaction between people. casinos aren't gonna do shit if you go from machine to machine or run one up.
>>339791264
Has it been refitted to accept quarters?
>>339791315
Again, you can hop around machines as much as you want. Do you understand how a house edge works?
>>339791436
Nope (look at the prize bins), I did fix it up though. The jackpot release wasn't working and there was a jam in the prize dispenser and it works almost perfectly now. Occasionally you need to jiggle the handle a bit to get the coin to accept.
>>339791142
I left the casino after making $100. Went to another.
>>339791223
Yes and that it's better to quit while you're ahead. What dont you get about my post?
Proof of one of my cashouts.
>>339791327
>you can't game slot machines the same way you can card games that have interaction between people
except they tend to give out money after a certain number of times, so technically, you can.
>>339788226
I work at a Casino, that's not really the case, one of our machines that paid out all the time was one of the oldest we had.
>>339791264
Honestly I would be interested to see the mechanisms on the inside since these slots were intricate as shit back in the day, none of the computer chips and wires that you have now.
With that said I think it would be a complete bitch to pry it open anyways and I wouldn't want you to break anything or more then it already is. Still a cool piece though thanks for sharing.
>>339791315
You're making at least one of two incorrect assumptions if you think machine hopping makes a difference
1. The machines affect one another
2. Machines have hot and cold streaks
Casinos are well aware that both of these are completely false, but they're more than happy to let you play into whatever superstition keeps you putting money into their machines.
>>339791796
naw, actually super easy to get in to
>>339791685
You've made two statements.
A. Machine hopping gives you the edge over the casino
B. You should quit while you're ahead before you lose your winnings
Do you not see the contradiction?
anyone got any gambling stories?
>>339791803
The only thing that's technically true about it is that if you play low on a lot of machines, you might have a MARGINALLY better chance rather than sitting on only one machine.
>>339791796
2 lewd
>>339792031
What I'm trying to say is machine hop till you make a decent amount, then leave. IF you lose the money you came in with, then don't keep going and LEAVE. My statement isn't really a contradiction if you comprehend what I'm saying.
>>339792154
don't know why that was rotated but whatever
>>339790226
Do jews historically have any sort of connection with gambling?
Serious question, no /pol/ bait answers please
>>339787287
Its more like a Mini-game for real life.
I guess it counts.
>>339791982
That looks neat. Old school stuff like this has a certain charm to it that I am a sucker for. Thanks anon
Absolutely.
As a matter of fact, the MGS3 remake is being done on the pachinko platform
>>339792239
But why would you leave when you have the edge? According to machine hopping logic, you will always be winning in the long run, and if your anecdotes are anything to go by, the returns are fairly immediate. Quitting while your ahead is for people who are expecting to lose if they continue.
>>339792239
What he's saying is machine hop has no outcome on your chance of winning.
It's just something that makes you feel more comfortable gambling on slots.
Casinos are full of things that are designed to give gamblers the impression that they have an edge or that their system works.
>>339792393
Oh, apparently it's pre 1944. That's all I got for the age. It's not as busted up as it looks. Replacing the glass would be trivial, but I wanted to keep everything original.
These are the stats on it. I haven't gotten a jackpot since I started keeping track, but I doubt it would affect much. A jackpot is about $3 iirc.
>>339792803
Have you ever been to a fucking casino? You must always expect to lose at a casino. Nothing you do will guarantee that you'll win in the long run. You're always on the losing side no matter what.
>>339792803
Because continuing when you've exhausted the output for the meantime is literally throwing your money away.
>>339792887
Except it does, it is mathematics.
>>339788667
If the game has any skill involved, it is literally not a slot machine anymore
>>339793053
I'm accepting a premise I disagree with for the sake of argument.
>>339792106
When I go to a casino, I make minimum bets on video poker. I average about -$5 an hour doing this, which I more than make up for with complimentary drinks and underpriced food.
>>339792685
>mgs3 remake
>in pachinko form
What the FUCK Konami
>>339787287
Yes. Electronic game machines count as video games. Same goes for pinball.
>>339787287
Best casino video game?
>>339793686
I don't see what's wrong with this.
I think slot machines are a valid form of video game.
Konami is being very brave and pioneering by taking the series in this direction.
>>339793838
these ones are pretty cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0OnmhhFk9g
>>339793092
>except it does
The house still has the edge. Which is all that matters. The machine hopping reduction is so insignificant it's pointless.
>>339793092
>Except it does, it is mathematics.
If it's mathematics, then prove it.
>>339793838
VEGAS DREAM FOR NES
>slot machine
>machine
>machine
No, dipshit
>>339787287
Modern slots have a video screen, they have a losing condition (press button to lose), as player skill was never a requirement for a video game they do qualify, I suppose. Old reel slots are not, of course.
>>339793758
>pinball
No. There is no video component in most pinball machines beyond a score counter. Pinball is not a video game and in fact predates video games of all types.
>>339794378
Pinball counts as a video game on /v/, /vg/, and /vr/. You are arguing with the mods by claiming otherwise. Enjoy your ban.
about as much of a game as any free to play, microtransaction laden skinner box on smartphones is
>>339787287
Modern slots are video games, yeah.
>>339794157
It isn't insignificant if you're winning more. The house still has the edge only matters in the sense of you literally going in and winning everything and never losing. Which absolutely nobody expects.
>>339794223
You spend the same sum of money on either one machine, or multiple machines, all of which have been used by multiple people prior to you, which has the higher chance of hitting the sweet spot? one or the multiple?
>>339794278
Fucking loved this one. Why was Vegas Stakes so bad in comparison?
>>339794378
>Modern slots have a video screen
Not a game, they are machine simulators like forklift sim.
>>339794378
>Pinball is not a video game and in fact predates video games of all types.
But it can be!
>>339794628
Which is video games.
>>339794598
If a roulette table has landed on red 10 times in a row what are the chances of it being red on the next spin?
>>339794598
>You spend the same sum of money on either one machine, or multiple machines, all of which have been used by multiple people prior to you, which has the higher chance of hitting the sweet spot? one or the multiple?
If all the machines have the same chance of winning, the probability of winning is the same regardless of how many machines you use, as long as you play the same amount of times.
>all of which have been used by multiple people prior to you
Looks like this is your issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy
>>339788158
The fact that they aren't advertised as slot machines and that they are freely available to children with access to a parents credit card.
>>339794598
YOU KNOW HOW I KNOW THAT YOU FAILED MATH?
>>339794796
No, a simulation is not a game.
>>339794807
Roulette isn't slots now is it?
>>339794809
But all the machines don't have the exact same chance of winning.
Slots are more likely to give out after a certain number of uses.
>>339795105
>Slots are more likely to give out after a certain number of uses
THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS, DUMBASS.
>>339795105
You have no idea how many uses or how close it is to paying out.
>>339795084
Yes it is.
>>339787287
Slot machines are skinner boxes
big difference.
same with pachinko
>>339795206
Yes it is, dumbass.
>>339795219
True, which is why more is better than one.
>>339795105
>Slots are more likely to give out after a certain number of uses.
You actually have no idea how slot machines work, and the casinos love people like you because of this.
>>339795394
Because I keep winning?
>>339787287
>Those shit tier slot machines
>Anything of value, let alone video games.
Video robbery.
Try Meteor Storm if you want money.
>>339795105
>But all the machines don't have the exact same chance of winning.
Then you're better off sticking with the machine that has the highest chance of winning, numbnut.
And if you don't know which machine that is, then sticking with the same machine still offers you the same returns, as you have a chance to both switch to a machine with a lower win % and to a machine with a higher win %. It evens out.
>Slots are more likely to give out after a certain number of uses.
kek'd
>>339787287
>Are slot machines an videogame?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myZ6FsjHegw
This one is, apparently.
>>339795385
Guess how I know you went to public school?
>>339795541
>It evens out.
Evidently it doesn't.
More people win coming in and dropping a few than people do sitting at a single machine.
>>339795840
Guess how I know you're a loser?
>>339795857
[citation needed]
>YOU CAN TOTALLY WIN MONEY WITH SLOT MACHINES BRO !!!!
The were designed to squeeze money out of people
>>339796049
Everything is. Doesn't mean you can't win money at it.
>>339794853
>freely available to children
Where the fuck do you live? No children are allowed anywhere near the pokies where I live, and I'm sure any online versions would still have adhere to the region's laws.
>>339795839
MOTHER FUCKING SPACE INVADERS
I FUCKING LOVE THIS GAME, IT IS LITERALLY MY GAMEFU
>>339795268
Nope
>>339795961
It's basic mathematics, you fucking retard. Every machine and every table game is inherently designed with a house advantage.
>>339796106
The slogan of every lottery and casino ever
>>339796248
If it's basic mathematics, then show the proof, fucknugget. As long as you play the same amount of times, there is literally no difference whether you do it on a single machine or multiple.
>>339794781
>Combination Pinball/Video game
>>339796224
>>339796557
I guess it's true what they say about /co/ fags
>>339787287
This one is.based on one
>>339796795
Where do I buy this one? Please I must know.
>>339796557
Spoiler: That game is shit.
>>339795950
YOU LITERALLY CAN'T EVEN DO BASIC MATH. YOU'RE LITERALLY AUTISTIC.
>>339796926
Stop yelling you autist.
>>339787615
if they have a video display than yes. older slots machines no, they're amusement machines like pinball
>>339792685
Vegas here, Konami has a corporate office here, you would be surprised how many slot machines they make and service here in America, pretty much any slot machine like the Walking Dead, CSI or any licensed property they make.
>>339796926
Nice caps.
niggers do we really need a discussion about how how gambling machines are inherently built so that its in the casinos favor? its fact, and theres now way around it. anytime you come out on top its a fluke, plain and simple. and there is absolutely no way to circumvent or predict the odds.
it is a system built for long term profit, and the more people that play, the more stable it becomes, brief play will always be at a manageable loss for you, but cumulative attempts at gambling will make you loose money, and waste your time.
>>339788387
>>339787607
So they are just like all other videogames.
