What went wrong?
>>339696165
It's not Estival Versus
>>339696165
PC fags don't actually buy games, they just want the option to buy them. Mainly because they can't handle the banter when a console series stays exclusive.
Musou shit.
give a week or 2
itll be at 50k easily
>>339696165
It hasn't even been a day.
>>339696165
>$26.99
Come back when it's 5.
>some fag was trying to say a few weeks ago that the SK games will easily outsell the console/handheld versions because there's a huge anime game following on Steam
Ever wish /v/ was a traditional forum so you can hold shitposting to account?
>>339696403
Yeah totally worth the money they spent porting it
>expecting people to pay $27 for a weeb game
I'll wait for a steam sale.
>>339696248
This
>What went wrong
Your timing is wrong. Just give it some more fucking time
>>339696165
It's a three year old vita game pandering to pedophiles. Did you really expect normie Steam users to buy this?
>>339696490
PC fanboys literally claimed there was a huge and loyal fanbase on Steam for these games.
Apologize.
>>339696165
PC gamers are poor and don't buy games
>>339696468
And yet actual fans are more than happy paying full price,
You got the game for cheaper and all the fucking dlc included.
Why do devs pander to pc users when it's been proven they don't buy games?
>>339696424
I'm just saying how peacocks think, I drive past one everyday after all.
>>339696165
It's made very clear that Steamspy is always going to vastly underreport numbers for new releases.
Give it at least a week.
>>339696571
then how could they afford their $900 pcs?
>>339696403
So PC fags don't value games then moan when they get games either late or not at all
Apologize.
>>339696165
Steam is unpredictable, this is a platform where Neptunia outsold Final Fantasy
>>339697118
neptunia was one of the first "big" ironic weebshit to hit steam.
I'll be very surprised if any other game can repeat its success
>>339696612
only retarded weebs are ones who are more than happy paying full price for a shitty weeb game that barely has gameplay and only has tits.
>>339697237
It still outsold a bunch of FF games, no matter the conditions it was in it's still fantastic
Then again the sales dwindled a lot, this happens to almost every release on steam though
>>339697240
>wow why won't japanese devs port their games!!
>>339697449
yea steam is getting oversaturated with mega weeb stuff
the novelty of neptunia is long gone
>>339696559
>>339696748
I'm sorrycuck
>>339697545
You say that yet Megadimension Neptunia is still coming and I hope it's as big a hit as the first one
It really deserves it
Still it happens to a ton of games, I mean look at danganronpa, the first one sold twice as much as the second one
>>339697785
I never said the devs would stop porting their games
I'm just saying that neptunia, or any other kusoge for that matter, will never be as successful as the re;birth trilogy
My guess for megadimension neptunia is 30k units until bargain bin sales
>>339697785
Is there an exception to the rule?
You honestly couldnt pay me to even pirate this game. I do not buy anime games. I built a PC and support Xbox consoles to get away from anime games. 99% of anime games are bad. I have made it past high school, the prime age where one would care for such terrible video games lazily covered up by softcore anime porn made by otaku virgins in Japan.
I have never wanted, nor will ever look at this game again.
>>339697545
>>339697785
And now that I think about it Spike Chunsoft's approach is being kind of backwards
They announce the first 2 DR games but not another episode, and now they're releasing ZTD without releasing 999, and Zero Escape: VLR
These business decisions are very questionable
>>339698042
You seem to be on the wrong website
>>339696165
Game released 3 years ago. Usually hype for a game dies over time and you don't get a ton of extra sales porting it to a new system. There's a couple exceptions to this rule but it's not common.
This hits niche games even harder. Senran games have a decent fanbase but you look at sales numbers and the games at best sell a few hundred thousand.
Nothing went wrong for Steam. It's just another niche game thats fun but is going to be a slow seller.
>>339696650
The ones that actually spend that much on their computer are in the minority. Most just use a shitty laptop or 5 year old toasters.
>>339698071
>every board of 4chan is an anime board
No.
>>339698215
Ok senpai.
>>339696650
it's the family computer
>>339696650
Spent all money on the PC.
>>339698215
Actually yes, when 4chan started out as only an anime board and other boards were added for weebs who kept talking about offtopic shit.
Fucking normaljin are so clueless about where they are. Might as well go into a gaybar and complain about the lack of girls to pick up and start bringing in your own.
>>339698413
Ive been here since 2007 when I was in high school. Believe me, anime and manga is what brought me to the website in the first place. But its all cringe garbage now. The only people who like anime are awkward high schoolers who have nothing else to do with their time and aren't gifted or accepted. Once you graduate, let it settle for a few years, you'll see too how cringe and stupid the whole thing is. But you go on and post your smug anime reaction pics, that'll do the trick.
>>339698006
Most anime games or JRPGs follow this trend
Again look at FF
>XIII 560k
>XIII-2 340k
>LR XIII 150k
>FF4 130k
>FF4: TAY 65k
And other "anime" games
>huniepop 380k
>huniecam 80k
>trails in the sky 180k
>trails in the sky sc 20k
There probably are some exceptions in any case
>>339696165
It released yesterday
>>339698551
Kill yourself.
>>339698551
Upboted
>>339698623
After you, my lonely 10th grade friend.
>>339698684
Kill yourself.
>PS4 HAS NO GAMES!
>game comes to PC because it sold so well on consoles
>no one buys it
>>339698732
Again, after you, my lonely 10th grade friend.
This will be the final (You) from me. You ought to be in bed by now anyway, get your yearbook signed before schools out, well if you can I mean.
>>339698215
You're on 4chan. 4 leaf motherfucking clover chan. the origin of the source code for this site was a fucking japanese message board to talk about what? anime.
>>339698551
t. normalfag
>game goes on sale for $5 and game sales skyrocket
>pcfats try to pass off the sales numbers as if they were full price
>>339698829
>hurr durr I've been here since 2007
>look at me I'm soooo mature talking down to everyone.
*yawns* boring. Can you put some effort into it? The high and mighty act doesn't mean anything on a random image board.
>>339698780
It's a pretty terrible standard to set
It's completely killed off any value digital software could have
>>339698902
>sony shits have been crying about muh sales for years
>anytime cost vs profit is brought up they backpedal like crazy
>>339696165
Frequent crashes
Problem with downsampling
>>339698861
I know exactly where I am. There is variation between boards and I understand people who watch anime generally play video games too, same demographics and all. But we are currently not in the anime subforum/board, therefore it is safe to criticize anime and related weeaboo hobbies.
shit games sell like shit
i don't see anything wrong with this
>not even a day
>steamspy
I knew this thread was coming ages ago and I'm still disappointed.
>>339697240
kek
Meanwhile, there's hordes of people that pay full price for games like Overwatch
Try not to throw stones in glass houses, anon.
>>339698961
Digital software is devoid of value in any case, it's literally just data
It was a great standard to set
If it's only digital with no disc of fucking course it's gonna be worth much less
A console game is worth a lot more because you have a physical disc you can sell
You can't do that with digital media
Why do you think digital console sales are incredibly lower than physical sales?
>>339699140
>full price
>$40
Meanwhile it's $60 on consoles
Blizzard knows where the real money is at
>>339696165
>margin of error is more than 100% the estimate
give it a few weeks. Steamspy tends to be inaccurate for newly-released games
>>339696165
They didn't use Denuvo
>>339696403
So never?
>>339699140
>hordes of people
And you know this how?
>>339699037
Anime images are a staple of every board due to the site's origins. That's just 4chan in general and there's a lot of overlap with anime fans and people that play video games. Go back to plebbit, you sniveling retard
>>339699275
Shovelware drops in price pretty quickly. Give it a few weeks.
>>339698573
>>huniepop 380k
>>huniecam 80k
What the fuck are you doing including this?
The first is half decent and looks anime, the second is complete trash and looks like a shitty flash game.
Frankly, HunieCam did far better than it deserved.
Too much money for a years-old meh tier game, especially considering Estival Versus is a thing.
I'll probably get the PC version when it's closer to $10.
>>339699293
There was only 10-15 threads up almost 24/7 shortly before and after the game came out
Fucking idiot
>>339696301
I have 2 PC friends irl that doesn't buy games. But when Nvidia announced a new GPU both of them were
>Holy shit! Definitely gonna upgrade my pc
>lol anon, sell your PS4 and upgrade your PC
>still using that toaster?
Yeah, they're still my friend.
They ported it too late I think, everyone who wanted it had gotten it before this.
>>339699378
I don't see the connection.
>>339699374
If it doesn't sell PC won't get estival versus anyway
>>339696165
no surprise since it's a terrible port
>>339699313
What part of me saying I know that do you not get...? No need to throw insults either. Just watch, once you're out of high school little buddy, big googly eyes on skeletons and no noses will start to wear on you and then one day, have no effect on you. In the mean time, enjoy 11th and 12th grade. How I wish I could redo those years, except not be an awkward virgin with nothing to talk about but anime. Don't make my mistake.
>>339699410
>I don't see the connection.
You really are stupid, thanks for proving it neo-/v/
>>339699405
>people buying vitas to play senran
>when it was announced around a year ago
Nah
It's the third top-seller on Steam atm. For weebshit, that's more than impressive.
>>339699485
What's the matter anon, are you afraid to lose karma points back your account so you come here to vent?
>>339696612
Fans buy whatever anon, that is what makes them fans.
And honestly - TOO LITTLE TOO LATE, I bought their shitty game for my Vita and now I should buy it again for a good version?
Give me a free copy for my Vita purchase.
>>339698551
>Ive been here since 2007
I've been here since 1983. Step it up, newfag.
>>339699343
Xseed has never gone over 75% off. Even after a year Akiba:s Trip was only 50% off.
>>339699383
Where do you and your friends live?
>>339699515
That means nothing when "Youtuber's Life" is the fourth.
>>339699561
Karma points? Is that from snapchat or tumblr or whatever you high schoolers use nowadays? Never been to a site or used an app that uses such a system.
>>339699374
I can just get it on PS4 anyway.
And I fundamentally hate the whole "buy this thing you don't particularly want so maybe you get this other thing you want" argument, and refuse to let it influence my buying habits.
>>339699562
But again, why do PC users get special treatment?
>>339699640
Actually, it does. You don't know how incredibly many kids are into Youtube nowadays.
>>339699361
Ok fine
>nekopara 1 210k
>nekopara 0 180k
>nekopara 2 80k
>>339699689
>special treatment
>years late shoddy port
Interesting concept.
>>339699669
Nigga who you fooling
Stop acting like you don't know what the fuck reddit is cool guy
>>339699618
3rd world ofc, and three of us were college students.
>>339699669
>I'm gonna gripe about overlap topics
>I-I'm not new, I'm not from plebbit, I swear!
You're as transparent as glass.
>>339699234
DRM is cancer.
>>339698736
>PS4
>Vita game
ok
>>339699735
Shoddy how?
So, how's the port's quality anyways?
>>339699735
>all DLC included
>cheaper than what vita owners got the game for
Yes special treatment
>>339699741
I've definitely heard of reddit yes. Never been on it myself though. You seem to know quite bit on its functions and layout, any reason why that's so?
>>339699767
Nothing surprising there, as someone in the same situation I understand it, though I do pay for more games today than ever before.
And before you feel bad about it - CDPR made all they did on a consumerbase of these people - who only upgrade their pc and pirate everything possible, and they don't use DRM.
>>339699712I bought all Nekopara games
Kill me
>>339696165
>it's possible to count the polygons on those boobs
>minimum hardware requirements are too high for a game that looks like this
>steam is saturated with weeb cash grabs
>it costs 26$£€ on a platform that offers everything for 75-90% discount within 6 months after release, if it doesn't end up in an "indie" bundle within the month
>day 1 DLC
>no actual nudity, while being NSFW
>gameplay is repetitive and pretty bland
People can buy Skyrim and the Witcher 3 for less money and see some nipples. Why would they bother with this?
>>339699873
Why? What's wrong with that?
They are competent at what they do.
>>339699873
>Buying porn
>>339699809
So?
You are calling a company doing very little work for some extra money "special treatment".
Its not that PC got special treatment - they just give you absolutely no respect for being their "fans" and buying on the shitty Vita.
Lash out at the company instead of PC player, they are the ones who fucked you.
>>339699689
>special treatment
>game is old enough for physical release to drop in price
>port is pretty lacklustre with significant reports of crashes
>awkward kb+m controls
>digital tends to be cheaper in general when compared to physical
gee, I sure do like this special treatment
>>339699808
It's fairly good. Not perfect, but better than expected. It runs really smoothly even on the worst of toasters, though only goes up to 1080p. Shadows can be a bit glitchy too, but it's actually not bad at all.
>>339699948
>Vita
>shitty
Please fuck off.
>>339699824
>Never been on it myself though
Euro primetime anons are never convincing
>>339699984
>valid points
>uurrr gotta retaliate
>>339700002
I'm not the same guy, moron.
But the Vita is not shitty.
>>339699897
Anime dood! fight the sjws!! This gamme will trigger them!! Just mash X a million times to watch you cut down the evil SJWs!
>>339699824
lmao this is too good
what are you trying to prove my man?
>>339699897
>>minimum hardware requirements are too high for a game that looks like this
In general, jap devs tend to be retarded when it comes to evaluating system requirements for ports. Don't let the steam page fool you, the game can actually run on a toaster
>>339696418
No never
>>>/reddit/
>>339698551
>Ive been here since 2007 when I was in high school
>saying "But its all cringe garbage now" unironically
Either you're absolutely lying, or went full normalfag. Or you're just very insecure and need to appear very mature in spite of posting on a weeaboo imageboard.
>>339700068
>jap devs
>retarded
More like the average Steam user is.
>>339700039
>out nowhere, mentions sjws
Ah, I see you're that one anon that bitches about other boards and overlap topics every day at this time.
>>339699984
Except he's completely right. The vita is fucking trash.
>>339699973
>awkward kb+m controls
Just buy a fucking controller already. Keyboard is shit as an input for games that aren't RTSs and the like. Always has been, always will be. The only good part of KB+M is the M.
>>339700032
Whatever floats your boat anon.
My point stands, just because a company fucks you over on the Vita, doesn't mean PC is getting special treatment. Shinovi versus was never worth full price.
>>339696165
Too expensive for a Vita port.
Why the fuck would I buy this over Estival Versus? Fuck that
>>339700102
>when it comes to evaluating system requirements
my point stands
>>339700159
Because you can't play estival versus on PC :^)
>>339700123
Now that brings back some memories
>>339699783
Oh yeah
You know what Steam should do?
Used game sales
Allow users to sell a steam game, you give the other user money in the steam wallet and the access to the game is transfered
It would drive up sales like fucking crazy and give them a serious edge in the competition with everyone else
>>339699897
>day 1 DLC
C'mon lad. Inform yourself before shitposting. All DLC it ever had is included for free, there is no additional shit.
>no actual nudity, while being NSFW
That's just the style. Nothing mods can't fix, anyways.
>gameplay is repetitive and pretty bland
Gameplay is honestly alright for what it is.
>People can buy Skyrim and the Witcher 3 for less money and see some nipples. Why would they bother with this?
Because those don't offer jiggly anime tits and fast-paced ninja fighting.
>>339700123
>muramasa
>txk
>delta
>bad
Kill yourself.
>>339699978
Well, that's good to hear. Has anyone tried to look at any of the local files to check for how modable it is?
>>339699997
Euro? I'm an American who doesn't work Thursdays and Fridays. Nothing to do this "weekend". Good try though.
>>339700048
Prove? I have nothing to prove. I'm taking notice that you know more about reddits site functions and accusing me of going to reddit. You have something to hide and are doing a poor job deflecting it. A final (You) from me to (You), friend.
>>339696165
It takes three days for SteamSpy to get accurate numbers.
Repost your thread Saturday.
>>339700123
>moe chronicles
Everytime.
>>339700123
what a fag
>>339700217
You're responding to an old ass troll image anon
>>339700125
While you do have a point where a controller is much better in general, most games made with PC in mind can be played comfortably with a kb+m, this one is way beyond comfortable.
>>339700227
It's theoretically very easy to mod, due to all the files being very neatly sorted and accesible.
>>339700032
>>339700002
>Trip vs quad
We all know who won the argument.
>>339700247
>Euro? I'm an American who doesn't work Thursdays and Fridays. Nothing to do this "weekend". Good try though.
>>>r/games
>>339700123
Oh boy here we go again with this (you) bait, thread derailing picture.
Fuck off.
>>339700247
The reddit point system is common knowledge retard, it's a big reason the site is shit
>>339696165
>using steamspy on a game not even a day old
it reached top 3 on steam so it has easily sold over 10k
>>339700316
No one because neither has trips or quads?
>>339700356
I hate trying to collect all these stupid finishers
>>339700347
At this point /v/ is full of redditors using (You)s for the very same effect anon.
>>339700209
>used game sales
>thinking that it contributes to sales numbers and overall profits
I only give them a pass because the prices on steam tend to be a lot cheaper
>>339700159
Because they need to test the markets, and that was the cheaper option. This is better than Estival Versus, either way.
>>339700123
>remorse
>project diva
triggered
Bought a PS4 just for FT.
>>339700247
I think you should take Takaki's advice and go somewhere else if you don't like the game or the anime.
>>339699468
This argument is terrible. Look at EVERY single other weeb game on Steam and their equals and you'll see you're wrong.
>>339700404
>This is better than Estival Versus, either way.
wat
>>339700408
>F, F 2nd and X on vita
>FT on PS4
>Mirai DX on 3ds
I love Miku
>>339700408
How will you play FT if it's only going to be released in Japan.
>>339700209
Used game sales are pretty much the most profit damaging thing in the industry and you can bet if companies could make it disappear without global outrage they would do it.
Piracy is not one tenth as bad.
>>339700315
Nice. What about any sort of ingame scripts are they tied into the engine or are they also accessible?
>>339700472
If you'd played Estival Versus you'd realize why.
>>339700404
clothes maaybee , everything else? not a chance mate.
>>339696165
Same thing with any port. Everyone who already wanted to play it did. Pc fanboys who hold out for ports are an extreme minority. Most gamers are idorts who have money and don't have a fanatical obsession about playing on pc, especially when it doesn't enhance the experience in any capacity. In addition, sv is a terrible place to start the series since you're skipping the first game. There's also no indication that skb, sk2, dekamori, or ev will be ported, so investing in pc for senran is pretty retarded desu.
Also this >>339696301
Nobody really cares that old games get ported, but this goes both ways. I wish this porting meme would stop and I also wish port discussions were a bannable offense on /v/. Platform choice has NOTHING to do with gameplay and is really irritating in threads because they derail discussion. Furthermore, they don't make any fucking sense. We aren't the publisher; why are you telling us "pc when?" I can't do anything about that, and since I'm in the thread discussing gameplay, clearly I don't need a port because I already own and play the game.
I don't care if it's falseflagging or real; mustards need to be dealt with once and for all. This shit is getting old.
>>339700525
Tell me. I've gotta hear this.
>>339700472
Estival Versus has tons more content and things to do, characters to play, but Shinovi Versus feels smoother if that makes sense. And faster.
>>339696165
The owner deviation is higher than the count. You cannot trust shit.
>>339700485
Jap account with psn jap cards.
SK is kusoge to the max. Extremely uninspired lazy game design that tries to make up with sex appeal. That stuff flies on a no game weeb machine like vita. Pc actually has worthwhile games to compete with though.
>>339700565
>in the thread discussing gameplay
You were doing well until then.
>>339696165
Because I have Estival Versus and it made me realize I burn out from Musou pretty quickly.
>>339700485
JP store my friend.
>>339700485
Account switching on PS4 is incredibly simple compared to vita
Fuck I wish it was easier to switch regions on the vita
>>339700404
>This is better than Estival Versus
What the fuck are you talking about. EV is way better than SV.
Is It because bosses in SV have no super armor? Is EV too hard for you?
>>339700632
Did you not notice I was talking about video games in general? Sorry, I should have written that more clearly. This applies to every game in existence, not just senran. Yes, I know, most threads are just imagedumps and "I want to do x to _____ insert favorite senran here".
I just want to go into threads without seeing port begging.
If anybody on my friendslist buys this, they're getting booted. No degenerates allowed.
Who even likes the artstyle of this shit?
All of their faces are wide and their skin color and complexion is extremely bland.
>>339700565
I have a gaming pc and i've grown to hate pc fags just because they port beg every fucking thread for games not on pc and i'm sick of it
>>339700750
>gameplay discussion thread
Still foils it all anon.
Blame port begging on companies, no matter how much you generalize about PCfags or anyone for that matter.
Release the game on all platforms you wish to at once so people can make their choice, instead of trying to squeeze more money out of them this way.
Considering PC is getting more and more ports, its entirely reasonable now to count with the possbility of one, even if it comes off as annoying to you.
>>339700565
>The first paragraph
I think you also have to take into account the people who are generally apathetic because they aren't aware of it. You only see an increased interest because people who were apathetic, and thus silent, managed to spark interest by suddenly being made aware of the game's existence due to availability of the port. You only see either approval, distaste or port-begging for a game because there is no way to actively state your neutrality on a subject without looking like a shitposter or a total retard
Why is it that fedoras and GGers and anti-SJWs always have anime profile pics? Why is it that most ERP faggots have anime profile pics and shitpost with smug anime girls?
Weebs are the cancer that killed Japan.
>>339700565
>Pc fanboys who hold out for ports are an extreme minority.
What a baseless statement, you're an idiot.
>>339700384
It would be a huge deal, more people would buy with the prospect of selling the game later on, the prices would stay higher since the games themselves have more value
>>339700493
Well obviously trying to shift games from being a product like a book to being a service is trying to curb that but used game sales aren't going anywhere, remember the xbone reveal?
Besides valve doesn't make games anymore, it's a marketplace, they have everything to gain from allowing used game sales
There would be 2 ways to handle it, one is the classic store policy of returning the game at a price the store says, the store then takes that license back and resells it for a profit, or just user to user transactions
>>339700983
>>339700945
t. butthurt pc fanboys who care more about their rigs than actual games
>>339700815
Tasteless weeaboos who could never fuck anything in real life and YET, have the absolute fucking worst taste in anime artstyles. No Jitsuma, Kokonoki Nao, Jun, Murasami Masumi, anyone.
The artist for SK is absolutely terrible. Shovelware game mixed with terrible art. This game is for the lowest of the low.
>>339700565
>>339700837
salty psv cucks mad they beta tested
Is the wedding dress the best outfit in the game?
I can't see anything topping this
>>339696165
Because it's digital only and I don't buy those unless they are at least 75% off.
Besides, I already overpayed for the EU version of Deep Crimson which was supposed to be a very limited pre-order only print and yet it's still in stock on Amazon to this day.
>>339701004
>gain
How?
>Sell game 1x
>User resells to user
>Now 2 people played the game and only one paid, loss of 1 full price sale to steam(and the dev)
or
>Sell game 1x
>person "returns" it (and that would be a nice legal clusterfuck) for say 70%
>Lost 70% of the sale that you MAY get back later, as opposed to just keeping 100%
Theres no lucrative business in it for them, even if they strictly give return funds in Steam credit - thanks to all their jewish schemes you can actually take out the money of your Steam account through their virtual items.
>>339700125
>Keyboard is shit as an input for games that aren't RTSs and the like
Try to play FPS or Warband with controller and you will see
>>339700356
Is this video from the game that was released on Steam or the sequel? Sorry, these names confuse me
>>339701141
She looks like she should be making a lot of robot sounds when she moves.
>>339700921
I can't believe you suggested that developers should incur a financial loss to appease your fanboyism. They spend their time and money making games. They have the power here, not you.
It's not reasonable to expect ports at all. They're random as shit, inconsistent within the same series, and can be traced back to one source: the vita. These are mostly vita ports, west only. Does this really warrant an explanation? The overwhelming majority of my ps4 and vita games are not on pc and never will be. Pcs are for exclusives and great hardware, not cheap vita ports.
I'm not even complaining about the ports. I'm complaining about begging. It doesn't annoy me that games are ported. It annoys me that I can't discuss anything on /v/ without port begging derailing the thread. Fine if you want a game on pc, but I have no ability to make that happen. I'm not the publisher. Go post on their forums where they will actually see your feedback and leave us alone when we're talking about the game itself.
>>339701226
Estival Versus is the superior sequel. What they ported on PC was the inferior Vita prequel.
>>339701379
I see. Thanks
>literally "Tits: The Game"
I bought some harmless visual novel a couple of months ago and when I stepped in the game all of my friends sent me ";)" in Steam chat.
>>339701289
>developers should incur a financial loss to appease your fanboyism.
Fucking lol anon, I guess cows enjoy being milked.
You blame shitposting on port begging but in the end if its not one thing its another, leave /v/ if you don't like the discussion here instead of your crusade against "port begging", and I mean that in a positive way, save yourself the trouble.
>>339701289
>he's unironically trying to get people to stop wanting every game on PC, the ultimate gaming platform
kill yourself you console apologist.
>>339701213
The exact same way gamestop gains from it in the second case
Or they gain because, as I already said
>more people would buy with the prospect of selling the game later on, the prices would stay higher since the games themselves have more value
If you can sell a game you are less afraid of spending your money since you can make it back later on, leading you to buy instead of not buying
And prices would stay higher since games have added value in the form of a potential selling which leads to more money for every game sold
>>339701439
>he thinks he's deserving of everyone catering to him when he and pc users don't even buy games until they're 75% off
>>339701426
>not enjoying things because you're afraid of what other people might think
>>339701452
You realize what happens there is
>Gamestop buys a game givine certain people certain percentages of its price
>sells it to the first person, takes their own cut on it too
>rebuys it from said person
>and then sells it again - TAKING 100% OF THE SECOND HAND PROFITS FOR THEMSELVES
Which is why used games is the "evil" of the industry.
The publisher dev gets paid once - gamestop/retailer gets paid as many times as they can resell a copy.
>>339701004
The only reason why Steam gets away with having no second-hand sales is because being digital, in general, is a lot cheaper. There is the non-existent shipping and distribution cost and holding costs only comes in the form of hardware maintenance and electricity bills. Because of this, they are able to offer games at a lower price and have sales that could dip way down to 90%
>It would be a huge deal, more people would buy with the prospect of selling the game later on, the prices would stay higher since the games themselves have more value
It wouldn't work for digital marketplaces because used-game sales rely on the scarcity or over-abundance of a product. Also, have you actually seen the buying habits of steam users? Why would you pay full price for a digital game when this other dude is selling his for chump change because he doesn't want to play it anymore? And also note that a lot of people in steam have over 300 games that they barely put a few seconds on. It would eat into the profits of the devs and publishers. The main advantage of digital with regards to second hand sales is that they can offer prices much lower than what you usually get for second-hand sales while still being able to give a cut to the developers.
>>339701426
Well, what happened?
Did you have "the talk"?
>>339701492
>the pc market doesn't have that many compulsive buyers
>this is somehow bad
>>339701618
Yes it is, because companies need money to survive.
And they can't survive on 5$ sales.
>>339701437
Port begging is blatant fanboyism, which has always been a bannable offense. Stop posting anytime. You're the one getting milked here. You support hardware manufacturers and software systems that fuck over developers at your own expense. If developers choose a platform I don't like, I deal with it because the platform works for them better than the alternatives. I'm not going to punish them by withholding support just because my preferences don't help them.
>>339701439
If it's so great for everyone, why does nobody develop for it? Why are all these games old ports? Why not just release them at the same time.
Everyone forgets that game development is a two way street. Pc is the ultimate platform for the end user, but certainly not for developers or else there wouldn't even be consoles at this point. Never mind the fact that all this versatility and power is pointless if you don't need it for your game.
>>339701492
I don't think anything like that, all I know is PC is getting all the ports and it's the best platform. More should come because I like video games.
>>339701673
Oh, so I should just start buying each CoD and AC rehash at $100 because Activision and Ubisoft need money to survive?
>>339701725
>fanboyism
I really think you have no idea what that means.
If I "beg" for a port it clearly means I'm not a big enough fan of the game to just get it on whatever system it is on.
A fanboy is the guy who bought it on Vita and then bought it on PC too, because he is a fan he doesn't give a shit about paying twice for the same thing.
"port begging" means basically "I'd be interested in the game if it was on X system"
That is not a stance a fanboy takes.
>>339701673
Actually if you lower the price, you get a bigger chance that more people will buy your product. Of course it depends also on many other factors, but it definitely makes your product much more accessible to a wider audience.
>>339701836
If you liked video games you'd buy the platforms the games came on and supported the devs there instead of making them cater to you
>>339701673
Anon, if they can't survive on those sales, why do so many companies put their games on PC and sell them for that sort of price during sales?
Do you think you know better than these companies that sell their games this way and have been doing so for years?
Why are they not all out of business?
>>339701725
PC has the most developers out of all the consoles though. You could probably combine them and PC would still have more.
>>339701902
>if you liked games you wouldn't about games being available to more people on more platforms
You're a real piece of shit, aren't you?
>>339701426
>friend chatted me up because he saw SK in my library
>asked why
>replied with "for the tits"
>he said okay and proceeded to ask me if he should buy overwatch or battleborn
>I said "your call" since I don't care about arena shooters after being burnt out on tf2 years ago (and I'm still burnt out)
>proceeded to tell me he will buy xcom2 instead
>few days later, see battleborn in his library
I think there's something wrong with him
>>339701903
They put their games on there seeing games sell a lot then think they can hit it big.
Then they see games don't sell, so they slash the price to try and recoup some profits from what they lost.
>>339701946
The devs chose to put their game on a certain piece of hardware for a reason.
>>339701961
And then they put more of their games on Steam... why, exactly?
They want to lose money?
>>339701585
And?
I see no problem with it
Of course gamestop deserves full profit from all future sales if people are going to them for their used games sales and purchases
The devs and publishers are doing literally nothing for that money
What the fuck is wrong with you guys? If I sell my car to some guy and that guy sells it again later on does Ford deserve money on those transactions? Hell fucking no
>>339701598
And?
A digital game should be treated just the same as any other game, just without the physical support with both pros and cons
Pros are no shipping and distribution costs, cons are that you need to download the entire game from the internet and if delete it you'd have to do it again
>>339701949
Definitely, who would buy XCOM2 at this time when it's bound to discounted for summer sale or when the DLC hits.
>>339702036
They think they'll make money
Then when they don't actually make money they slash it to recoup their loses, obviously.
>>339702036
they don't lose money
>>339702009
So you're going with "yes", right?
>>339701725
>If it's so great for everyone, why does nobody develop for it? Why are all these games old ports? Why not just release them at the same time.
It is actually the ultimate platform for devs too - they theoretically could release their games without paying ANYONE any royalties.
That, by default means a 30% increase in profits.
The reason it is not so because none of these people today have the confidence in their product that it'll sell.
Its easier to sell shit on consoles simply because the userbase is far more likely to buy-just-to-try.
Entire prospect of consoles is to condition its users to just buy, fiddle with it a bit and then move on to the next one.
They need the marketing value in the psn/xbone/steam stores to be any succesful.
You can note a developer with some confidence in their product and actual sense when you see that they released their game on Steam - and have it available on their own site for 30% less.
>>339702097
I don't think it's good for devs to throw their software to pirates and people who don't appreciate the value of software yes.
>>339696418
>Ever wish /v/ was a traditional forum so you can hold shitposting to account?
No, but you can fuck off back to http://boards.4chan.org/r/eddit or neofag anytime
Fake and gay
its not even on steamspy yet because it takes a week or so for games to appear there
also i tought steamspy was unreliable ? i guess it's only good enough when it reinforces your point
all the false flagging in this thread is amazing
continue being retarded
>>339701870
Surely you realize that fanboys are not limited to software, right? If you beg for a port, that means you are so much a fanboy of hardware that you refuse to try a game you are interested in. Not only that, but it implies that you will do the same for all games on that platform, regardless of level of interest, because if you were simply waiting for more games to be released on that platform, you would just say "I'll wait a while", not beg for ports. Your endgame is the same every time. You just don't want to buy a non pc platform, no matter the cost. There is no scenario where you would buy other hardware no matter how many games were released, and if you simply didn't get ports, you would just ignore these games like you used to before steam got a few vita ports. You pretend to care, but everyone knows you're just a pc fanboy.
>>339702036
Some devs port vita games to steam for western audiences because the vita isn't popular here. They're hoping that people who were playing on psp a decade ago simply moved to pc. Developers still have not learned that games will not sell like they used to. Tens of millions of people moved away from handhelds and now use smartphones for gaming.
>>339701906
Thousands of shit tier literally whos and indies. Not well known a/aa developers who have been in the industry for decades.
>>339702048
>The devs and publishers are doing literally nothing for that money
Except they made the game anon.
A car needs maintenenace, it loses value over time, it has upkeep, you need to constantly spend on a car even if you do nothing with it.
A game?
A game is the same bought freshly on day0 - and bought second hand as the 96th owner 10 years later.
If people had patience and got organized, 20000 people could play through a game with only paying the creators only once.
Its a two way thing - no used games at all tips the scales far in favor of the devs/publishers, but used games tips the scales in favor of a fucking middle-man retailer who'll NEVER make a game for you.
>>339702165
>Thousands of shit tier literally whos and indies. Not well known a/aa developers who have been in the industry for decades.
Tens of thousands and there are dozens of A/AA/AAA developres too.
>>339702165
Oh I see what you mean now.
In the end though you are not entirely correct.
When one platform is objectively better than the rest - and the competitors cannot provide enough reasons to buy their proprietary computer, it is sensible that I'd rather just hope games get on the better platform.
Sure I have no reason to say this in every thread like some mongoloid retards on here do - but with this we are back to my original point, your problem is shitposting, not port begging, as its just one of its many forms.
New to SK here, should I play this game first or play its prequels (play order?)
because there's absolutely no info about the content of the game
the achievements show there's a shop, what's in it?
is there a lot of combos?
what is the maximum level?
is there a lot of ennemies on screen at the same time?
what are the gameplay quirks?
we know nothing of this game, and when a weeb game shows a lot of boobs jiggle it's almost always to cover the laughable content.
it's like we don't want to waste 25$ or something
>>339702127
If any of this was remotely true, they would all develop pc games. Here's why you are wrong.
Developers always have to pay royalties. Do you honestly think there is no licensing process for an independent release on pc? How do you think ads are financed and distributed? How do you think games are rated? Ignoring steam would be a critical mistake for any developer on pc today, but that doesn't even matter. You know that you can self publish on console, right? That's not a reason to come to pc. People develop on pc because you can release unrated games, ie porn.
Cutting cost doesn't mean increased profit, it means reduced cost. Taking your game off steam also means dramatically reduced exposure, ie reduced revenue.
Funny enough, you explained one of the biggest strengths of consoles and the primary reason developers still choose them. Console publishers maintain platforms. Valve does not run pc, but sony runs the ps4. Sony does a lot of shit that you never hear about, like advertise, localize, co develop, etc. These are all dramatic cost cutting measures that help smaller developers increase their exposure at no additional cost. Sony does this consistently, so tons of developers support them. They gather similar games together so developers can trust the userbase and understand their preferences easily. The process creates what they call a playstation "ecosystem" of developers and gamers being in the same place. Pc is not centralized, so this will never happen.
>game is so bad people talk about ethics and used game ownership and company revenue streams
lmao, anime garbage, not even once
No one actually wants this shit on their steam profile.
If it was sold on GOG it would make a lot more.
>>339702276
Ok screw the car example
Books, DVDs, VHS tapes, Music discs, TVs
Down to tools and well there are tons of literally tons of things that have the used sales market "eating into profits"
I see no reason why videogames should be any different
>>339701946
I think you are the real piece of shit, you fucking crybaby.
>>339702165
>Some devs port vita games to steam for western audiences because the vita isn't popular here
It's not just vita games though, and I'm talking about companies releasing something on Steam, then deciding to release more and more stuff on Steam, sometimes even reaching the point where PC gets simultaneous or near simultaneous releases with consoles, despite supposedly being a platform populated with nothing but pirates and people who only buy when a game is 80% off.
>Street Fighter
>Souls
>Zero Time Dilemma soon
Why do they do it if they aren't making money doing it?
Is it just out of the goodness of their hearts?
Are they running a charity?
Or is it possible that they release games on PC because there is money to be made releasing games on PC?
>>339696165
I considered buying it, but it's like
Does it actually have gameplay? Or is it just panty shots and clothing breaks?
Because, and this is true of most PC owners, if I want to see naked girls, I can do that. Doesn't even cost me $30 and I don't have to hold a controller, either.
I'm not averse to the jiggle physics in and of itself, but looking at Senran Kagura as a franchise it seems like that's where all the actual development time was spent and the gameplay is an afterthought
>>339696165
>What went wrong?
Nothing.
I literally just bought $200 worth of 32GiB RAM so I could work on a 35000x24000 image with 100+ layers. 24GiB and counting, and there's still an outside chance I may not finish it. So my finances are recovering right now. Maybe in a few weeks at the Steam Sale I'll get it, when I can make a bunch of purchases guilt free. (and SV will likely still be at 10% because its so new, so nothing lost to me other than time.)
>>339702554
What I mean by centralized is that valve doesn't own the whole ecosystem top to bottom. Valve could incentivize developers to port, but the benefits are meager since they only profit from additional sale of software on steam. If valve supported developers and increased sales of pc hardware, they wouldn't see a penny from microsoft, nvidia, amd, intel, or anyone. If a hardware manufacturer made better hardware that reduced cost of development and increased game revenues, they wouldn't see a single cent from the games themselves. That's why I say pc isn't centralized. The end product is absurdly powerful and highly functional, but there is no organization for the sake of game development. Sony benefits at every level from helping developers. If they cover some cost of development, they get more games, more hardware, and the additional revenues from every aspect of their operation.
>>339702807
Most of the releases are vita games though. The only ones that aren't are ancient ports, very mainstream western series, or vita games that were also ported to other platforms, not just pc. Street fighter and souls are incredibly mainstream here. That's why you see millions of people play them on pc. ztd is a vita game btw.
I never said ports aren't profitable, but you answered your own question. There's a lot of money to be made porting a game several years later for cheap, but clearly nothing more than this.
>>339702936
Youtube is your friend
It takes 10 seconds at most to type in "senran kagura shinovi versus gameplay"
>>339702746
When did I cry about anything?
I'm just puzzled by that guy getting upset about games being made available on more platforms.
>>339696165
PC gaming was a mistake.
They should stick with their e-sports shit.
>>339697785
>It really deserves it
Neither neptunia shit nor kagura shit deserves nothing but absolute oblivion.
If you want to fap you have enough free porn in the internet to satiate 100 hundred nymphomaniac men for all their lives, and if you want good gameplay there are several much better JRPGs and action games to play.
You fucking weeaboos have less standards than bethesda/ bioware/ blizzard drones, you are the absolute bottom of the barrel.
>>339702554
Those royalties are not required or a must, they do not measure in here because you need to do the same no matter the platform you are on.
You cannot self publish on a console without paying the middle man, you'll start publishin on a console with a fucking devkit that you don't get for free.
Cutting costs DOES mean increased profits - if you make profits.
I like how you tiptoe around my last sentences yet mention "taking your game off Steam".
Yes, Steam is a massive marketing tool but costs 30% of the price - so again, is an investment like any other advertising expenditure.
>like advertise, localize, co develo
These are not cost cutting measures in any way at all, these are again things you have to do on PC as well - and Sony does not do this for free, "increase expsure" is again, marketing.
>They gather similar games together so developers can trust the userbase and understand their preferences easily.
This entire sentence is completely meaningless buzzword tier shit Sony fed you or something.
The "ecosystem" you are talkinga bout is again - a closed shop where they can use marketing to push products on you.
Which is again - my point, MARKETING, ADVERTISING AND PUSHING PRODUCT WORKS A LOT BETTER ON A CLOSED DOWN, SINGLE-POINT-OF-CONTACT PROPRIETARY SYSTEM.
So if you want to spend money to push shit down peoples throat, consoles are a LOT LESS RISKY, which is why they exist today.
If Minecraft released only on consoles and then Steam Notch man would have a lot fucking less money today, but the fat shit was smart enough to sell the game on his own site without paying royalties to anyone, the viral marketing force of the game (inherent from its gameplay - sharing what you create) easily overcame not being in an "ecoysytem" of any kind.
You are basically telling me that consoles are good, because marketing works so well on them, and that we should be grateful Sony lets people pay them to do their job.
>It's out on Steam
>less than 15 bucks
Not sure if want.
>>339702562
Well ok but what is your opinion on the subject?
Are you against used game digital sales?
>>339703012
Watching someone play it tells me nothing about what it's like to actually play it. For all I know that guy has his right hand smashing the X button mindlessly and his left hand stroking his dick
Is there anything deep or complex or challenging about the combat? Or is it just Dynasty Warriors: Pantybra Chronices?
>>339703079
why are you so mad?
>>339699374
Or you could just stop being such a poorfag.
>>339703115
I thought it was $25? It's a lot more in Australian failbux too may I add.
>>339700565
I got a Vita with SKSV on it, however I why would I play on a portable console when the only times I play games are at home? If I try to play it in my bed, I easily get tired so I rather play at my PC.
>>339702674
And they do - and their prices are adjusted to that.
However people like buying new things - they get a warranty, service, deals, sales, they get to do it in a shop, they dont have to haggle, meet strangers, trust strangers that their book is not full of cum, that their tv works, that the dvd is not scratched.
For digital items none of that matters, buying a used digital item would be exactly as convenient as buying it original.
Second hand sales of those things happen simply because they cannot stop it from happening - they would if they could, but usually trying to do so gets too much negative attention to be worth it. (see, xbone)
Digital books? they made "lending" systems, not used sales.
>>339696165
>What went wrong?
Those stats are updated daily and it came out yesterday, you retard.
