>first Bastion is op
>then Junk Rat is op
>then Mei is op
>now McCree is op
Who's next? Reinhardt?
>>339641038
yes, fuck that op son of a bitch.
>>339641038
Reinhardt actually is OP though
>implying reindhart isn't op
>>339641038
Dont think hes op but its certainly annoying as hell to be alone within 15 feet of a reinhart with a health advantage
Junkrat isn't OP just retardedly designed and retardedly easy
A character like that has no business being in a game with infinite ammo
>>339641038
McCree is getting nerfed. they are reducing the power of his fan.
D.Va is getting a damage boost in the meka.
Reaper's teleport is getting color coded so you know which team he belongs to.
Only shitters thought Bastion was OP
But Mcree though, his skillcombo is literally the most skill-less thing ive ever seen in a game.
Thank christ its already confirmed that its getting nerfed
>>339642170
>Reaper's teleport is getting color coded so you know which team he belongs to.
It's not really an issue but I don't understand why it wasn't like this to begin with when every other character has their abilities color coded
>>339642223
Do you have a link to the source on this?
I'd love it but their official forum only has shit from the beta.
>>339641038
Reinhardt either needs a shield with less health or a longer period before it gets recharged.
>>339642276
More than once I've started blasting at a teleport shadow only for a friendly Reaper to pop up. Shit's scary yo, especially if you turn around at it's there.
>>339642170
>D.Va is getting a damage boost in the meka.
Source? Because this would be absolutely great
buff all the weak characters
nerf all the strong one
Make turrets track less aggressively
Limit 2 of the same character to 1 team
>>339642598
>limit 2 of the same character to 1 team
Why the fuck do any of you retarded assholes want this? Yeah blizzard, Please give us LESS options to play the game! I hate fun!
>>339642598
>buff all the weak characters
>nerf all the strong one
>>339642919
Yeah because playing against a team of 6 Torbjorns or 6 Meis is completely fun
>>339643103
Fight fire with fire then, play them with your team of 6 Torbjorns or 6 Meis
>>339643103
then just tell your teammates to switch characters to their counters?
>>339642598
>Make turrets track less aggressively
That is literally their only strong point. Compare it to the engineer's turret in TF2 which is a fucking powerhouse both in tracking and damage where as Torb's is only the strong in former. It's easily destroyed and difficult to repair.
>>339642482
He's bullshitting
The dev specifically said that even though they agree she needs a buff, they are very unlikely to do anything about her damage. They don't want to change her role.
>>339641038
Toblerone killed me. Nerf.
>>339643103
I played against a team of junkrats, mei, soldier 76 and beat all them easily or they had to switch by simply asking teammates to cooperate and change character.
>team of junkrat?
3 pharahs is enough
>team of mei?
junkrat and pharah
>team of soldiers 67?
so many options
>>339643354
They're going to buff her movement speed while firing
>>339643321
>Fight fire with fire then, play them with your team of 6 Torbjorns or 6 Meis
WE. DON'T. WANT. TO.
FAGGOT.
>>339643596
Sounds fair to me.
>>339643645
>Implying anybody cares about what an angry pussyboi like yourself wants
>>339641038
How did you fags not see this coming?
Its a Blizzard game, populated by Blizzdrones.
You don't remember how Blizzdrones are?
They always think everyone should be nerfed except for their favs. Then you end up with just a couple retardedly overpowered classes and a bunch of unplayable ones.
Worst part is...Blizz actually listens to them.
>>339641038
Torb's turret is OP.
>>339641038
if everyone is op nobody is
>>339643645
Then enjoying losing and getting you ass kicked faggot
>tfw a D. Va player who's played three times as much as me tells me Reinhardt should be nerfed
>tfw he's so bad that I almost end up proving him right by destroying his shitty 60-hour D. Va with my 10-hour Reinhardt over and over
>tfw he's convinced Reinhardt beats D. Va 1v1
How fucking bad can one person be?
I like D. Va, but I don't want to be associated with people like this.
>>339643354
The same guy said that dva is tanky, i guess i can just give up any hope of this game ever being balanced
>>339641038
Bastion was never op
>>339641038
Characters that actually need a nerf:
-McCree
-Lucio
-Widowmaker
Before someone argues about Widow
>semi auto sniper
>doesn't need to headshot
>will fucking dominate if she can headshot
>sniper charges fast as fuck
>doesn't even have to charge sniper
>wallhacks up all the time
>assault rifle with good dps
>can fuck up a genji or tracer, her counters
>only reliable counter is winston
>>339641038
I bet I'm the first one to notice your shitty shop job, OP.
>>339644805
>wallhacks
I can't even begin to explain how tired I am of people misusing that term in relation to Widowmaker's ult.
>>339641038
>McREEEEE belt clip
Bane?
>>339643324
>Just git gud and counter it XDDD
Spoken like a Bastion Mainer
>>339641038
Why are people mad that some heroes can usually beat others or mad that they cant solo an entire team with their favorite character in a team based game?
>>339644956
What else would you call it?
>>339643346
TF2 turret actually had nowhere near this good tracking though. Torb literally snaps to you while you could actually circle strafe a engie turret if you knew what you were doing and the engie built it in a terrible place.
>>339644956
it's literally what it is
>>339641038
Snipers.
>>339641038
McCree is actually overpowered, though. Everyone in the competitive scene agrees he's overpowered, everyone in quick play knows he's no fun to play against, and Blizzard have agreed he's too good at killing high health characters with fan. He's gonna get nerfed. Deal with it.
The only people saying Bastion or Mei were OP were shitters with <10 hours in the game that don't know the maps or understand counters. There's a reason why they have nearly zero representation in competitive play (Mei has literally zero competitive usage, actually).
>yfw Symmetra is OP
>>339645291
Players are cheating to turn wall textures transparent? Because if not I guess that "Literally" is not what it is.
>>339644805
Some characters need a bit of tweaks too, like mercy ult needs to charge slower, junkrat needs to not be rewarded for mindless spamming nades randomly,bastion definitely need some damage nerf or longer transformation/bullets reload/something.
>b-but bastion is weak
A bastion have enough firepower to tear apart thru rein shield and still have enough bullets to kill him and anyone else that was close. A team with rein backing him up with shield and a widowmaker to cover the other flanks is just almost impossible to counter, save for mcree that will soon be nerfed.
Better get those achievements quick before he gets nerfed.
buffs and changes ideas?
>D.va can leave her mech freely and re-enter it instantly allowing her to switch between long and short range and be considerable dangerous when she finds a good ledge to shoot down from
>Torb will full heal his turret with the first whack. The heal goes back to normal after the first and recharges after a few seconds, He can now save his turret and deal with the threat himselfOr just let him repair it from afar with his gun
>bastion gets a laser sight on his gun that he can turn on and off, if it's off the reticle will double in size, on the plus side bastion gets missiles that restock over time. he can fire with his right click that follow the laser pointer (similar to half life 2s rocket launcher) allowing him to deal with anyone that's trying to peak him
>>339645386
>Hanzo barely used
bull fucking shit every match there's a shitty hanzo on my team and a good one on the other one
>>339645402
She's only op when played by someone that knows how to play her.
Most people dont and die a lot and think she's bad.
>>339641038
reinhardt technically is OP but not in the way that shuts down entire teams/is an annoying fucker. He's just a vital part of any team.
I would personally have his shield have only 1000 health, and have it start recharging the instant he puts it down instead of that stupidly long delay as a counter-balance, but he is still fine the way he is.
Also, replace junkrat with widowmaker next time for your bait OP. Nobody thinks junkrat is OP.
>>339643584
>Soldier 67
>>339645630
that's a graph of competitive play, not the shitters you play with.
>>339641038
Mcree is easy mode
Everyone is OP that's the point of the game you fucking idiots
>>339645634
That's because most people think they can 1v1 when this is a team focused game.
>>339645548
wallhacks are cheats to see other players through wall, independant of how they achieve that
they're all OP because they can just hit Q moba ultimate key and get free kills
>>339645749
everyone is OP therefore nobody is OP
>>339645696:^)
>>339641038
McCree and Mei are the only two that are super OP at the moment.
Bastion becomes way less of an issue when you get to a higher rank
>>339645402
>mfw full charge one shotting a tracer
>>339645749
>people think this is how you balance a game
Characters can be dangerous, but having abilities that instantly kill another character when they look at you isn't fun.
>>339645617
I got a buff idea for you
>Buy a gun and kill yourself
>>339645645
>Nobody thinks junkrat is OP
Are you kidding me? This board was littered with threads bitching about how strong his grenade launcher is just last week.
>>339641038
Bastion was never overpowered. But he does warp the entire game around him like a blackhole, grinds it to a near halt and makes it boring.
>>339645617
>McCree
Either make Flashbang a root but still interrupt ults.
Or make roll an actual evasive move, and not a free reload.
>>339645883
>edgy faggot that hates discussion
>>339645934
I haven't seen any. I've seen him being called mindless and easy to play, which is true, but nothing about being OP. Junkrat doesn't win games, unless you and your team is fucking stupid and doesn't hear and shoot his goddamn tire.
The "OP character of the week" seems to be going to widowmaker now, which I feel is completely and utterly justified.
>>339644634
Well she sorta is.
Her mech is a massive bullet sponge after all.
I once played a game against an entire team of D.Va's on defense, and they were fucking unbeatable because their mechs would absorb all the damage and then their friends would come in and kill you before you ever got the chance to kill anyone
>>339645934
Hes like mei, hes not actually OP. but the fucker can just shoot all over the place in a tight corridor and get kills.
so many counters to bastion, how is he OP?
>genji reflect
>tracer flank to his side
>reaper teleport or wraith to him
>widowmaker
>>339645978
>Or make roll an actual evasive move, and not a free reload.
Honestly I think this would solve mccree being a tank killer and not completely gimp him.
>>339645826
So you see the use of Widowmaker's ultimate as "Cheating?"
>>339646323
>reaper teleport or wraith to him
>tracer flank to his side
hoo you were right about him not being OP but this is awful advice if the bastion is aware.
>>339644994
>clip
Its a buckle
>>339646587
It's a magazine, actually.
>>339646515
There really should be a louder call on the thing , that and make sure people that died can hear it too.
Or just have an symbol that tells you that you're marked by her. There isn't really a way to fight a team who can kill you when you turn a corner.
>>339646776
No, it's a bounce castle.
>>339646776
Actually it's a speedloader, he uses a revolver and the cylinder isn't considered a built in magazine.
>>339646796
Okay, but you're missing the point. You think her ult is too strong and needs some better counterplay, but that doesn't make it a cheat by any stretch of the imagination. It was put in the game by the developers and is working exactly as it was intended to. Thinking that a character or skill needs balance adjustments doesn't make using them/it "Cheating."
Hey casuals, play smart. There are no op characters, only shit players.
>>339646323
>>genji reflect
Any smart bastion will just stop shooting then heal himself up for free
>tracer flank to his side
You can't bust him down before he turns and shoots your ass off and kill you before you can even rewind
>widowmaker
Only real counter, but bastions usually run with reinhardt/widowmakers protecting him
>reaper teleports
Are you joking? Big ass visual and audio queue, the reaper will be dead before he even finishes teleporting
>>339646982
Saying it's not a cheat because the devs put it in, is the first sign of someone abusing a cheat.
It's a very cheap and unavoidable death
>this single character is OP
>instead of looking at buffing every other character to counter this said "OP"ness of this single character, lets just nerf the single thing and make everyone feel good about themselves
Destiny multiplayer all over again.
>>339646587
>buckle
If I pulled that off would he die?
>>339641038
McCree and Pharah are the only ones Blizzard actually agreed are OP.
>Soldier 76
Increase the cooldown on his rocket.
Add a slight delay between sprinting and performing actions.
>Tracer
Pretty well balanced. Maybe add a trajectory guide for her ult.
>Bastion
Mother of god nerf this son of a bitch.
Add a recoil to sentry form to prevent literal toddlers from getting game-breaking killstreaks.
Decrease clip size or increase reload time.
Increase delay between healing and other actions.
>D.Va
Eh s'alright.
>McCree
High risk, high reward character. Rather not touch him.
>Reinhardt
Pretty well balanced.
Add some way of judging attack distance. Melee is shit in FPS because 2D monitors have no depth perception, so you need some method of compensation for that.
>Genji
See Reinhardt, above.
>Hanzo
Increase arrow falloff, if there even is any to begin with.
>Pharah
Make rocket jumping actually viable. I don't care if it makes it too much like TF2, this is one case where you should follow the leader.
Decrease cooldown on her E.
>Mercy
Fine. Perhaps add something like highlighting corpses to make her ult more intuitive and user-friendly.
>Roadhog
Make his heal act slower and take longer.
>Junkrat
Add damage to sticky jumping. It's not fair that Pharah has both more risk and less reward for the same behavior.
>Mei
Make her E wall semitransparent for allies.
>Zarya
Not sure. Maybe have her ult charge quicker since it's not all that powerful?
>Lucio
Fine the way he is. Although he should be retconned back into being a Canuck.
>Widowmaker
Decrease cooldown on grappling hook, or make the cooldown relative to distance traveled.
>Winston
FOR THE FUCKING LOVE OF FUCKING GOD SOMEONE FUCKING PLEASE FUCKING BUFF THE MOTHERFUCKING FUCK OUT OF HIS FUCKING WORTHLESS FUCKING M1 ATTACK WHY DOES IT DO A GODDAMN MOTHER FUCKING TENTH OF THE FUCKING DAMAGE FUCKING BASTION DOES FROM ACROSS THE MOTHERFUCKING MAP?!
Decrease his energy barrier cooldown. It's not exactly a game changer.
>Zenyatta
I don't play him so I'll just say make him not suck.
>>339645876
Can't one shot but I get your point
.>>339645634
>>339645772
The problem is people don't switch out if/when the first point on defense is lost. That is truly infuriating.
>>339646118
Try having ideas that aren't retarded if you want an actual discussion
>>339647404
>Increase cooldown on helix rocket
fucking what mate? It's just a phara rocket
>>339641038
Reinhardt is the same tier as McCree and Lucio considering every single competitive team autopicks him. The shield is just dumb. Make the shield his ultimate, nerf his ultimate stun (or maybe not since it's legit trash) and demote it.
>>339641038
Zarya is next.
>>339643103
>mfw I played on an all-Symmetra team and completely fucking steamrolled the opposition
>>339647178
Oh ye, let's potentially create something even more broke, so everyone else needs to be buffed again to counter this other new op character. What could go wrong?
>>339647143
>Saying it's not a cheat because the devs put it in, is the first sign of someone abusing a cheat.
That is some insane troll logic you've got there. The closest thing I can think of to what you're describing is when a player abuses a helpful glitch. That is not what Widowmaker's ult is. It is the character's ultimate ability and it works precisely the way that it was meant to. No abuse or cheating is taking place. Please learn what words mean before using them.
>>339647404
>Make Junkrat take damage from his own mine
Way to ruin him if that happens it also has to let you boost team mates
>>339647404
>McCree
>leave untouched
Pressing E and getting a guaranteed killed isn't fair, anon
>>339646323
I feel windowmaker/hanzo/pharah/tracer with ult/roadhog/junkrat are his best counters.
Bastion would fine if he had less hp, 300 in turret form is pretty nuts combined with a self heal. Makes flanking him for a kill tough before he turn and kills you. Especially the case if your team has to blast through a reinhardt to get to him.
>>339646323
Junkrat and phara also
>>339647496
>It's a very cheap and unavoidable death
Not quite; it hits harder and the projectile flies faster.
>>339647404
Forgot to add:
>Symmetra
Add a HP buff equivalent to a Reinhardt swing to the turrets.
Increase shield from 25 to 40. Give it a stacked queue like Tracer's Blink and increase the cooldown.
>>339647495
Cool anon, you wanna tell me how you'll buff zenyatta by 25 Hp again? or do you wanna talk about how mccree will do less damage on his fan the hammer bullets? is that safe enough discussion for you?
You wanna tell me how those are bad ideas maybe?
>>339647836
Goodness me excuse my greentext, I accidentally highlighted part of another post before replying.
>>339647836
>Very cheap and unavoidable
No it's not you fucking faggot. How bad are you to where helix rocket is unavoidable or instant death?
>>339647404
>WHY DOES IT DO A GODDAMN MOTHER FUCKING TENTH OF THE FUCKING DAMAGE FUCKING BASTION DOES FROM ACROSS THE MOTHERFUCKING MAP?!
Because Winston is one of the most mobile characters in the game.
>>339647660
Again, high risk, high reward. Flashbang requires getting in close and tracking velocity ala Phrarah rockets.
>>339647939
Not really Tracer Genji Lucio and Dva can move around better then him
>>339647939
Being mobile means diddly shit when your offense makes Tracer look like Bastion in comparison.
>>339641038
>Playing the alpha
>Torbjörn turret potgs every game
>Retail absolutely destroyed him
When everyone becomes useless, will the game be fun again?
>>339644805
Widows ult is the worst.
>Charges extremely fast if you're not shit with her
>Lasts 15 seconds
>Gives the sniper fucking wallhacks
>Gives the rest of her team wallhacks too
>DOESN'T TURN OFF IF WIDOW DIES
Even a bad Widow isn't completely useless because this thing is so ridiculous.
>>339641038
Mcree, Reinhart and Roadhog are all extremely powerful right now.
Thing is if you nerf them then Reaper, Tracer and who knows what will take their place.
But seriously Reinhart needs a nerf or they need to introduce another actual tank instead of battle tanks like Roadhog and D.Va.
>>339641038
When they buff d.va and everybody starts using her and she becomes the biggest slut in the game
>>339648063
>>339648123
Well how about the fact that Winston barely needs to aim on top of being able to literally jump on top of your ass? He's considered a high pick in competitive play.
>>339648147
>Torb
>garbage
Spot the shitter who only plays torb for his turret. That dwarf fuck does insane damage up close mid range and afar his turret is back up
Every character is broke in their own way. Except D. Va. She's weak.
>>339647404
>Spot the Mcree main: the post
>>339647404
>Bastion
How about his aim speed/turning speed slows down when shooting
He will still be strong, but now it will be harder for bastion to defend himself from fast enemies at close range
>D.Va
Her defense martix now works like titanfall's vortex shield
>McCree
>enemies can still shoot, and movespeed and aim speed will be decreased while flash banged
>Zenyatta
His ult will decrease teammate ability cooldowns by 15% while in he AoE
>Mercy
What you said, and make the healing beam more visible for teammates and any teammates that walk through the beam will get a small heal/damage buff for 3 seconds.
>>339644575
That is a bad match-up, though. D. Va only does decent damage up close.
>>339648024
What exactly are you trying to convey here other than autismal rage? What made you feel that this was a post worth making?
Bastion is just retarded because he gets POTG without doing anything. They should just bar him from getting POTG at all
McCree is actually OP
Reinhardt is fucking garbage if the other team has a roadhog
Everyone is equally OP
>>339646515
in games like csgo its cheating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=392M9z2AgFc
>>339648024
You alright anon?
>>339648164
>>339644805
Widow is only OP because of her ult, Hanzo is just as bad in the hands of a good player.
They need to have Widow's ult replaced by a triple tap that does a ridiculous amount of damage but you only have like 1.5 seconds to fire all three shots.
>>339643645
Damn, in all my years I have never seen such a rustled pair of Jimmies
>>339648262
I play winston all the time and he's fine the only thing he really needs is making his barrier take more damage. 600 damage is fucking pathetic. I understand why his gun only does 56 damage a tic is because it's a aoe canon you don't need to aim. But he is not one of the most mobile heros.
>>339641885
>>339641909
>>339641972
>mfw when I slap a discordy orby on rein and watch melt
>>339648063
>Winston is one of the most mobile characters in the game
>one of the most mobile characters
>one of the most
>one of
>>339648272
His turret is useless, he himself is decent now.
>>339648024
I think it's another one of those "Overwatch sux and is for casuals XD XD XD" trolls that keep showing up.
>>339646805
it's a moon jump
>Reainhardt
>OP
He just has tons of team utility. He's probably one of the most balanced characters in the game, along with Hanzo and Reaper.
>>339648450
Number 6 or 7 depending where you wanna put widow hanzo isn't that great.
>>339648354
Picking a bad niche character to counter a good character is a losing play because sometimes you won't even get into that niche and will be dead weight. The correct play is to pick Reinhardt yourself.
>>339647404
>If bait
8/10
>If not bait
0/10
>>339648272
>>339648480
COME GIT UR ARMUUHR
>>339646581
I dunno man, they work pretty good against me as Bastion. Just reaper doing his stupid bunny hop shotgun shit is enough because I die in 3-4 shots which is faster than I can kill him when he's circle strafing around me with bunny hops.
>>339648425
Winston is easily one of the most mobile heroes in the game wtf you talking about.
>>339648439
Like if you want a hero with zero mobility and needs a massive buff it's Zenyatta who fucking sucks right now. Literal roadhog, soldier 76 bait.
How to fix bastion
>while in sentry mode, his minigun has a spin-up time and can overheat if used for too long.
>>339648394
Okay, that's fucking fantastic, but this is not CounterStrike. This is Overwatch. The ability was intentionally programmed to work the way that it does. Why are you having such a difficult time understanding this?
>>339648317
>>enemies can still shoot, and movespeed and aim speed will be decreased while flash banged
Shit that reminds me
>Mei
Enemies can still attack when frozen.
>>339648439
But you can't orb through the shield and discord doesn't effect the shield if you did get him.
>>339648620
He is 6 or 7 on the list faggot. He's mobile sure but not one of the most. His jump is his only thing going for him and it has a 5 second cd witch is quick yes but not as good as Genjis all around mobile Dvas ability to fly on 7 seconds or Widows grappling hook and Tracers blink and time warp. He is mobile yes but he's not at the top.
>>339641038
You underestimate the power of Zenyatta, destroyer of Tanks.
>>339648354
>Pharah is fucking garbage if the other team has a roadhog
ftfy
I had to learn about hard counters the hard way.
Reminder that Widowmaker is probably top 3 support. Picking off enemies and providing wallhacks is legitimately really good support.
>>339643645
Then git gud skrub.
What if Mcree's flashbang worked like an actual flashbang? Muted sound(you just hear a ringing) and whited out screen for the duration but you ultimately could still act.
>>339648607
>reaper wraith forms towards you
>leave turret mode and kill him from a distance
>reaper teleports behind you
>laugh
>tracer does anything
>shoot her
>is she still there?
>y: shoot her n: heal all the damage because that shit has no reprecussion
Also recon mode is fucking beast.
>>339647240
It would be extremely painful.
>>339648793
>he goes into close range against Roadhog as Pharah
>>339644575
As Rein I've quite happily shitted on two Dvas at once
>>339648724
Yeah, seems like most reins think they can just hammer my face in before I kill them, though.
>>339648620
Zenyatta doesn't need a massive buff at all. I mean, he's not perfect but if you think he sucks, you probably suck.
>>339648793
I bet you use your shift to attack people head on.
>>339648787
This nigga knows what's up.
>>339649047
I denno unless you get the charge d.va will fuck your shit up or any lone tank really.
If it's a real 1 v 1 d.va wins instantly.
>>339648556
>>339648793
You're fucking delusional if you think a reinhardt can go up against a roadhog.
If the other team has a roadhog, you're fucking done for.
I see it over and over. No one learns
>>339648669
im all for all this nerfing his mini gun bullshit as long as he gets his shield back
>>339643645
>WE
Don't speak for me faggot. I'll go 6 Winstons if the enemy team goes all Genjis for those delicious tears.
>>339649162
>>339648787
>tfw got all 3 of zens highlight intros but can't play him
I don't know why but I have 38 unlocks for that bastard but I just can't git gud
>>339645402
how are you suppose to play Symmetra? I wanna get good with her.
>>339647935
>literally three phara rockets with triple the blast radius
>not cheap and unavoidable
The only real way to dodge them is to not exist in Soldier 76's line of sight
>>339649335
Roadhog's damage isn't really that good senpai.
>MUH 999999 DAMAGE IF YOU TIME IT RIGHT
No shut the fuck up, he just puts his shield back up and you can't finish the job. And now your team is stuck with you playing Roadhog.
>>339647961
Not really, if its a 1 on 1 he can just roll in, flash and fan the hammer
>>339649320
>Rein has a charge that one shots everybody, Dva can't move when she's shooting
>>339649514
>three phara rockets
>only equals to the amount of one direct rocket hit from phara
no
>>339649335
I want to say you're wrong but the counter is really there.
>drop your shield for any moment of time, roadhog gets the hook and just ate almost all your health
You can't even do anything if you charge him because he'll just heal it up and then hook and kill you.
>>339646323
>Genji hardcounters Bastion but it's not because of the reflect. He's almost as hard to hit as tracer but also shits damage on you
>Widow hardcounters Bastion but it depends on the map/part of the map
>Hanzo and Junkrat are dangerous but not to the point of being counters
>Zenyatta is dangerous because Bastion relies heavily on his HP to tank his way out of bad situations
>Pharah is a nuisance, not a threat. She can burn her ult to kill you though
>Other characters don't present a particular threat except for Tracers ult, which you can't do anything about. Having situational awareness and functioning ears counters every flanker that isn't Genji
>Winston is free kills, even if he jumps on you, drops a shield, and ults at low health
>Bastion shuts Reinhardt down hard
>Roadhog is countered by good positioning and is generally a good thing to have on the enemy team, because it means you will be using your powerful ult more often. Introduce his big fat hitbox to your high damage smg so he knows how getting aggressive will end
t. Bastion shitter
>>339649593
Reins charge only does 350 damage max and that's if you hit a wall it also has a fall off point
>>339649593
D.va has a shift anon. Unless you're right next to reinhardt which you shouldn't be, you should be above him as d.va. You can just boost away and shoot him in the back.
>>339641038
>BANE? on the belt
>>339648063
>is one of the most
>one of the most
Fucking stupid nigger faggot i hope you die of rape
>>339649673
>Fight an enemy team of 5 Winstons and a Lucio on king of the hill
>We go double Bastion and they can't do anything because they refuse to switch
>>339649790
Oh shit.
>>339648796
there are only 2 real supports in the game
lucio and mercy
the other ones are garbage as support
>>339641038
My wife's son works at Blizzard and he told me they will put a limit on the number of snipers on a team.
>>339643596
I hope that'll be enough to make her viable because she fucking sucks.
>>339649723
>only does 350
>when half the cast has 200 or less
>>339649818
Again faggot read the tread 7 isn't one of the best
>>339649058
He has zero mobility and low as fuck health for an offense hero and no mobility and decent buffs for a support hero compared to Lucio and Mercy.
Zenyatta is too easy to kill, he needs more mobility. Even a speed buff towards the person he uses his buff/debuff would help immensely.
>>339649526
You can literally walk through reinharts shield and shoot him, this is only in case of a 1v1 scenario though as you normally should never attempt to kill a reinhart as roadhog as it is counterproductive unless you have an ult which literally eats reinharts for breakfast.
Roadhog isn't really a tank, he is more like a better Reaper at the moment.
>>339649673
No genji hard counters bastion because the reflect.
If you get hit by genji off screen and instinctively turn to shoot him you'll die to reflect. Unless you just don't shoot him, which means you'll die.
>>339649946
Maybe you should read, because the three heroes listed in the post that was being responded to do not magically add up to seven.
>>339649938
Yeah crazy how he was talking about d.va and then says that it one shots everyone.
>people still haven't realized that all heroes are supposed to be OP in their own way, thus making it fair when you pit them all against each other
>B-but that's bad game design!
It's fun game design. You make everything "fair" and you get shit like League of Losers where the walls are padded as all get out
The only heroes that are just a little too stupid are McCree and Widowmaker because they currently fill the niche of other heroes while not being able to be readily countered as much as the rest of the heroes.
It's just another case of /v/'s kneejerk nature
>>339650047
Them on top of where you want to put Hanzo and widow maker and phara motherfucker
>>339649353
I'm convinced the shit isn't possible. I got a 2k transendence heal, was on fire for over 50% of the game and lost potg to a McRetard hitting Q.
>>339648942
Recon mode is indeed quite solid.
Also you're woefully underestimating how much damage Tracer can do. It only takes 2 burst to take you down to nothing.
>>339649987
>Roadhog isn't really a tank, he is more like a better Reaper at the momen
Hes a tank because everyone wants to shoot roadhog for free ult gain.
>>339646323
also
>pharah rockets
>junkrat
>hanzo
>d.va
>symmetra orbs
>zenyatta full charged orbs
>>339647118
Genji's reflect is instant, so any tracers already fired in the air is getting reflected back at you.
>>339650164
I agree with this.
>Get around a Widowmaker with Tracer
>She turns around and auto blasts me
This is some bs.
>>339649987
That's because he's an offense/support hero, duh. Of course he's so easy to kill, you ain't supposed to stroll out in the front lines with your robocock swinging everywhere, you go in with you're team and FUCK everyone who isn't aiming at you. No offense breh, but I don't think you know how to play the Zenman.
>>339646323
>reaper teleport or wraith to him
His bullets do too much damage per shot. Reinhardt has like 250 or 300hp in armor, which reduces the damage each individual bullet does and still dies within a second
>>339650021
Genji's shurikens make a distinctive noise when they hit you. If you're being attacked by a Genji, you will know it before you even see him. Reflect is only useful against bad players.
>>339649987
Zenyatta is squishy and slow because he's fucking godlike at what he does.
>Harmony orb heals teammates up very quickly and as long as they are near you, you don't need to do anything.
>Discord orb causes enemies to take obscene amounts of damage and has almost zero cooldown. Also provides some tracking behind walls.
>Ult basically makes everyone nearby outheal damn near anything and provides an escape mechanism.
>>339649459
You need to go sanic mode in the start of the round so you can get all 6 of your turrets down. I like to place them on ceilings behind the door frames. 6 turrets will instantly kill a Tracer or other squishy heroes. Also don't die early, dying before you get your teleporter down is almost a guaranteed lost objective.
>>339650021
>hard counter bastion with reflect
>bastion players literally unable to not hold down the left mouse button for a whole 5 fucking second.
>>339641038
Literally no hero is OP, they are all beastlike if used properly.Mei is just a turbocunt
>>339650362
>>339650285
He dies in 1 hit by widowmaker. That alone makes him useless.
>>339650408
All it takes is 0.5 second of reflect to lose 90% of your hp.
Between dash, reflect and shurikens Genji is absolutely a hard counter to Bastion and anyone who says otherwise is fucking retarded.
>>339647496
>It's just a phara rocket
It's 3 Pharah rockets with more splash
>>339650307
Except he can keep plinking at you until you shoot back or move, or die. I'll hold my reflect until you shoot. See how that works?
>>339650530
No it does the same amount of damage as a direct phara rocket hit you dumb nigger 120 damage
>>339641038
I'm pretty sure the complaints on Mcree have existed the whole time.
>>339650408
>5 full seconds
>does 525 damage in 1 second and genji reflects all of that back to bastion in an accurate line
Even if you stopped after half a second you still ate 260 some odd damage that genji can just mop up. And the netcode is going to guarantee this damage no matter what.
>>339650416
>be junkrat
>may coming after me
>shoot at her
>if I get a hit she iceblocks and instant walls when she gets out
>if she lands in trap whether I can nade her or not she iceblocks and instant walls when she gets out
10/10 annoying bitch
>>339650478
So does Tracer yet you wouldn't consider her useless. Remember this is a team game, your team is supposed to keep you alive then you can keep them alive.
>>339650362
He is the only hero in the game aside from zero suit Dva that dies in a single body shot from Widowmaker. Something's not right there, you have to admit.
And his ult is the worst of the three 'healing' ults. People can still get oneshotted and hugely bursted down when they're being healed.
>>339650478
That's why you get a donkey kong to shove his gun up her ass
>>339650478
Wow yeah, who would have thought that a offence/support was squishy? And good on that fucking Sniper, it's their FUCKING JOB to take me out. It's a team game dumbass. They better not miss though.
>>339650560
Bastion is hitscan. You can't react to fire and actually reflect damage if it's just tap fire. I'm guessing you also follow it up with a dash, at which point you die for being a predictable Genji doing the predictable Genji combo.
>>339648330
>>339649047
The only way for Rein to beat D. Va is to land his Lshift.
D. Va can easily avoid it with her own Lshift.
She outdamages him and outreaches him, plus she can crit, which he can't.
D. Va is far better 1v1.
>>339645386
Did Blizzard not say something about not balancing around competitive play? That why Dotaof which I have 980 hours in fuck sake i hate that gameis such a pile of shit imo. They balance it around the competitive scene when 95% of players are scrubs.
I hope to god Blizz don't balance OW around the currently tiny pro scene.
I personally have no issue with mccree as I simplyswitch heroesto deal with him appropriately holy fuck what an idea 90% of cunts don't seem to realise you can SWITCH FUCKING HEROES
I fucking love this game but it is a shitfest of people who have no fucking clue how to play. If you're learning a hero, fine, say so then if/when we lose it's not upsetting because it's only 10 mins. But if you join on attack, instant lock widow or defense and pick mcree/genji/tracer, all of whom can be useful, and proceed to be a shitter and NEVER swap then fuck off you are a shitcunt.
>>339641038
Mccree is a big guy
>>339650767
Tracer has mobility up the ass. Zenyatta doesn't he is an easy target, especially because he suposedly takes the "support" slot.
He isn't better than Mercy and he sure as hell isn't better than Lucio so you would have to sacrifice something in order to use him which out of the cast literally anyone but symmetra would be more beneficial than Zenyatta.
>>339650853
You have to know when and when not to use his ult. It's great for pushing, certain ult shutdowns, blocking, and staying alive. Situations, my dear friend. The name of the game. But yes, we've already gone over how squishy he is and that really isn't a problem for the type of character he is.
>>339650890
>genji fires at bastion
>bastion turns and fires at genji for just a press of a half second
>all of that damage goes straight to bastion
>the netcode guarantees it even if you stop firing meaning he could have reflected everything you fired even if you didn't see him reflect
>he dashes to you and jumps ontop of you making it impossible to shoot him
>>339651078
Wow. Okay, I think you just don't like Zenyatta, which is fine, but you should've said so from the beginning.
>>339650890
Which is why you can react to Bastion firing at you, either way you're giving Genji free damage. I have never not killed a Bastion and I'm mid 50s. He's the intended counter to Bastion.
>>339651078
Tracer is still easy to hit with Widow, everyone is easy to hit with Widowmaker.
>>339641038
McCree has no real counterplay unlike the other 3.
Counterplay to McCree is "don't go where McCree is" or "use snipers" that will do nothing because McCree sticks to side streets and cover (fits his fighting style better anyway) so he's never in line of sight for snipers.
Frankly McCree blocks the counterplay to Bastion which was.. flank Bastion and go around him and crit him from behind.
To "counterplay" McCree, you have to engage Bastion head on down the middle lane.
>>339651301
You honestly can't play zenyatta if the enemy team has two support killers.
>>339651414
I don't agree with you.
>>339651570
Not that faggot I love a good zen but if they have two snipers or a good symtthra say good bye to Zen because hell always be dead outside his ultimate.
>>339651570
That's cool, but it's a known fact even in higher play that if the enemy team has enough support killers you won't be able to play zenyatta because you'll stay dead all match.
>squishy as hell
>his only engage is also his only escape
>fuckhuge cooldowns
>requires near-perfect play to be competent at his job
>aformentioned fuckhuge cooldowns leave zero room for error
>anything he can do, Tracer can do much safer and with a lot less effort from the player
>only plus is fucking over Bastion, an already niche pick that almost nobody picks outside low level pubs
Worse than bad, redundant. D.Va is most definitely getting buffed, but Genji? He's just gonna be left in the dust because
>a good Genji is terrifying! (link to video of one of the best Genji players in the world curbstomping shitters with in a pre-nerf build).
Why would anyone actually pick Genji over any other flanker who can do his job just as well, and doesn't require an amazing player from the get-go?
>>339651639
>>339651570
>>339651301
If you play any teams that know what they are doing Zenyatta sucks balls. On top of the fact he literally has no purpose because of the already existing heroes.
He was like D.Va and Toblerone fun to play until you realize that they suck and there are better options.
>>339651676
>>339651639
You know what, I'll take your words for it. I'm not the best Zen, but I've been in those situations and never had problems with it. But maybe I've only played people who sucked. Symmetra is a tricky bitch, though.
McCree is super fucking overpowered, he has instant inescapable death on pretty much every single hero in the entire game
i dont think blizzard should do the thing where to fix someone being overpowered they just turn them into shit like they do with pretty much every game they've ever made ever
they could make a few tweaks and he would be fine
>>339651929
But you are definitely wrong.
>>339651891
Because he has two mobility moves that aren't on cooldowns, and his shurrican burst combo does 169 damage, and he can easilly chase down anyone trying to escape. Hes basically overwatches scout.
>blizzard balances the game for competitive play
>all these heroes that have this insane niche ability that is Overpowered in the right team setup get nerfed to hell
>on their own and in a moderate players hand are worthless, but still decent in comp play
Blizzard really needs to learn how to nerf and buff.
>>339652085
No I am not Zenyatta is my favorite character he just is so god damn weak any competant player or not so competant Reapers, Tracers, Genjis you name it whoever the fuck can kill Zenyatta.
He can't even fuckin discord a Reinhurt with his shield up. What the fuck were they thinking, I remember playing him in closed beta and his buffs lasted longer too.
Zenyatta just fucking sucks.
They should just remove his HP and have like a soul link thing and sync his HP with another hero on your team.
>>339651334
Genji is the hardest counter to Bastion, but his reflect is a subpar tool for the role. It's very good to close distance, but not good for actually killing Bastion. Not having problems with Bastion isn't a surprise as 99.9% of people who play him are the epitome of bad.
The minimum amount of fire Bastion can put into Genji cannot be reflected on reaction. Preemptively sure, but not reactively.
>>339651235
>Genji fires at Bastion
>Bastion turns
>Genji either preemptively reflects and wastes it, or doesn't
>Poke the Genji with tap damage to bait reflect if he didn't
>Take no damage from the poke
>Wait a small moment
>Predict the inevitable dash, snap 180 and dunk the Genji for being predictable
>If the prediction failed, it's okay because the Genji wasn't being a flowchart shitter and was probably going to kill you anyways since he's still Bastions hard counter
>>339641038
So if everyone is op, does that mean the game is balanced?
>>339643596
.. that's not really going to help her.
Her main issue is that GIGANTIC crit zone on her.
They need to reduce that, or improve defense matrix and allow you to fire while it's up.
>>339652493
Yes but why are you taking one genji skill in a vacuum? His entire character with all of his abilities is a Bastion counter. Certain characters will always be countered by other characters.
>>339651891
Because not everyone spends all their time in this casual game tryharding. He can be fun to play.
>>339652493
>poke genji
How much damage do you think the poke is. I'm just curious because I wonder if you can even poke him without killing yourself on accident.
>>339652578
No, and dont listen to what anyone says about DOTA either. DOTA's heroes are all OP in very specific ways, thats how icefraud has somehow managed to balance this gigantic clusterfuck of a game for so long now.
Just making everything OP doesn't really make the game balanced, you have to be smart about it.
>>339652697
The poke is "shoot at him and stop in random bursts, faking out the reflect.
Don't get greedy and shoot to kill, it only takes a couple of seconds but if he gets his reflect off, you're sub 50% hp by the time you stop shooting.
You will either do enough damage to spook him off or he gets stupid and you kill him.
>>339652689
Sure sure, but a lot of people seem to be of the opinion that reflect does the job by itself. It's not that uncommon seeing a Genji player get visibly confused when his reflect doesn't auto win.
>>339652697
The damage isn't the point. The point is that lightest tap fire cannot be reflected on reaction, because it's hitscan instant damage. No Genji is ever just going to take tap fire and not reflect, because it could just as easily be full auto and melt him.
>>339649009
You're afastguy..
>>339650362
>Near you
Literally retarded. Proximity is pretty much never the limiting factor, line of sight is. #30 Zenyatta by score on masteroverwatch here, would anyone learn from a knowledge bomb/wall of text?
>>339652619
No because then you can't kill her when she walks up to you.
Having a decent damage and in your face high health tank is not a good idea. Like look at winston his damage has to be shit for him to be fair.
>>339653729
DO IT
>>339652782
Oddly enough that's how this game is balanced.
If the enemy team doesn't have sight on you and you get stun ambushed it was your fault for being out of position, just like in dota.
There are actually a ridiculous amount of similarties with how games and fights are won between the two games. I think the smartest decision would be to balance the game like dota, and improve the amount of sight abilities you can get.
>d.va's booster has a reinhart like pull where it forces the enemy to fly towards where you are facing
This allows d.va to corner trap supports and squishes consistently to negate her lack of movement.
thoughts?
This games meta is shifting so quickly, it would be irresponsible of any developer to try and release balance patches at this point. Things just need to calm down.
>>339641038
>playing as male characters
what are you, a faggot?
>>339653729
>unironically thinking you're hot shit based on a ranking from an unofficial site that ranks you against other people who have used the site
Regardless, Zen is shit. You could literally be the world's best, and a mediocre Lucio and Mercy would still be vastly more useful.
>>339654742
Reinhardt charge doesn't counter bear trap though
