Its over, Nvidia is finished
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They literally cannot even compete.
DELETE THIS
<$500???
I THOUGHT IT WAS 199/229
FUUUUCK
>Being a fanboy and shill of a graphics card
Legitimately even more stupid than being a fanboy of a video game company.
>>339617514
it says 2xrx480
2x200=400 which is <$500
checks out
>1 game = ever other game
quality amd
>>339617514
It's says 2x Radeon 480
>>339617656
Ohh okay misread it
>>339615767
Too bad you'll need a 1000w power supply for two 480's when you could get by with a 600w for the 1080.
The price evens out eventually.
>$500 for a part for a platform that has no exclusives
>>339615767
It's a great day for AMD fans.
Does anyone remember house fires? It's an old NVIDIA joke
not an nvidiot, but did you watch the conference? AMD was running the game obviously at low graphics, while the GTX 1080 was running it on high. This really doesn't prove anything and we'll have to wait for actual benchmarks as usual.
>Its over, Nvidia is finished
One could only hope.
Unfortunately, some stupid new PhysX or other scamware game will soon come out and produce 60 FPS on the GTX 300 and less than 20 FPS on any AMD card, and all the nvidia redditards will crawl out of their holes to meme all over how "shit" AMD is.
1. Ashes of the Singularity specifically always ran significantly better on AMD. There is no guarantee this performance gap will carry over to other games, especially not DX11 ones.
2. >Crossfire
3. In the demo they showed the 1080 was clearly running the game on different graphical settings
4. At the demo booths they would stop you if you pressed escape to check what settings the games were running on
5. Delete this.
>>339615767
>games in SLI run better
WOW
O
W
>>339615767
You can do 4 way SLI with 1080s
You will need to do 8 way SLI with RX480s which no games support.
>>339615767
LMAO
bad day for #teamgreen
>>339615767
1080 is 700 now?
>>339615767
>using more than 1 video card
ENJOY MICROSTUTTER AND INCREASED TEMPS IN YOUR CASE
SLI SHOULD ONLY BE USED FOR RENDERING. GAMES WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO FULLY UTILIZE MORE THAN 1 SEPARATE VIDEO CARD TO THE FULLEST.
ITS A WASTE OF MONEY
>>339615767
where were you when Nvidia got BTFO hard by AMD in 2016
lol newegg is tweeting "get your Zotac 1080's!"
>>339618230
Founders Edition is 700$.
>>339617851
They've got a tdp of 150w
So 650 would be enough
>>339615767
>buying AMD anything
>falling for the "its cheaper but performs a lot better!" meme
>AMD press benchmarks can only ever be about AoS now
Meanwhile 99% of games run better on Nvidia by a mile. Enjoy your latest blowdryer.
>>339618323
proper custom pcb is 850
>>339618105
>4way sli 1080
No you cant
>>339618068
this, you dumbass AMDrones
>>339618068
The fuck am I even watching? Both of those screenshoots looks like complete hot garbage.
>>339618425
Never falling for this again. Going team green this time. Getting rid of my 7870 for a 1070.
>>339615767
>ashes of the singularity meme game that gives AMD a huge boost seen in literally no other games
>founders edition meme, real 1080 price is $600
>crossfire meme that doesn't work on most games
You just sold me on the 1080. Going to buy one ASAP and enjoy 144hz 1440p.
>>339615767
Why haven't the banned gpu brand war
>>339618631
The snow is using HairFX
>>339618323
But why would you buy the founders edition when any custom one is cheaper, better cooled and has a higher clock rate anyway?
anyone else buy some amd stock. moon mission is a-go.
>>339617857
>being a poorfag
>>339618659
Idk, shouldn't this be in technology, not fucking /v/?
>>339618738
>snow
Anon that looks like some 2004 DOOM 3 plastic and not snow, what game is this? Looks awful.
Problem is Crossfire/SLI is janky as fuck. Devs can barely optimize for one card, much less two.
>>339618865
To be fair it is a jpg of a 480p youtube video
is it better to build an entirely new computer or should you try to salvage some parts? I have a 2011 hp prebuilt and my gpu is the only thing I want to change but I think I'm in for a lot of bullshit if I just try to change that as I will probably need a new psu and motherboard. MY cpu is alright.
>>339618978
>jpg vs PNG format war when
>>339619232
It already happened shitty trip user, kill yourself.
I love how a Shit Game is used as a benchmark these days.
At least Crysis was worth playing.
>>339619481
kill your baby sister, kill your family, then hang yourself, yadda yadda yadda
>>339618068
This. Notice how they have the RX 480 under NDA till June 29th. If it was actually good they'd want reviews out before 1070 comes out so people wait for it. Its going to be awful.
>>339615767
>1 game
>Tries Batman Arkham Knight
>AMD gets BTFO
Get fucked.
>>339615767
SLI/Crossfire usually runs like shit, or only works good on selected games
Unless the benefits are on -everything- and not in AMD's optimized games there's nothing to be hype about
>>339619015
Depends what the rest of the specs are, obviously.
You should still keep things like harddrives etc regardless.
>>339617857
> no exclusives
Extreme bait
>>339620502
>Arkham Knight
as if that game runs acceptably on any card
>>339620896
I get 60fps on my 970 @1080p with Interactive paper and Smoke off.
AMD is literally the Xbox of gpus though.
they're just console-lites
>>339620770
>Yes good goy, buy a $600 video card instead of a $200 one to pair with your current card for the same performance.
SLI and CF are absolutely fine in the vast majority of games.
POO
>>339617862
I remember that shit.... and funny enough it was more than a meme because cards would actually burn out due to shitty nvidia drivers.
Graphics cards wars are literally worse than console wars.
>>339621223
>Implying any part of my post advocated the action of buying a $600 card
>Implying micro stuttering isn't a thing
>>339615767
IT'S NOT FAIR
>>339621605
>>339621605
is someone trying to pretend to be a video game character?
am I missing something
>>339621605
If you want a certain level of performance, your options are
Buy single GPU that achieves said performance
or
MultiGPU
Microstutter isn't a big deal anymore. Frametimes with SLI and CF are way better than they used to be, and with tech like Gsync or Freesync everything is very smooth.
>>339615767
Crossfire/SLI is a meme and people who bandwagon either company are fucking retarded.
>>339621605
can you....can you actually buy this doll
asking for a friend
>>339615767
You mean AMD right
tl:dr AMD didn't do nuffin
>2x Radeon
>2x
ERA OF RADEON IS COMIN BACK BOYS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_3pn7rOfc
>YOU NEED 2 AMD CARDS TO COMPETE WITH ONE NVIDIA ONE FOR +4FPS
MAX FUCKEN KEK
We're witnessing the birth of amdworks. What a time to be alive.
>>339622364
And you could get 4 AMD Cards for the price of a Nvidia.
>>339622692
And even then Crossfire support is so fucking shit that devs will only use one.
>>339621689
Pictures too small to tell, but it looks as if someone photoshopped an action figure to try and look real.
>>339621264
>millionaire Haji
>still awkward and nervous all the time
>>339621689
Jill in Resident Evil was modeled after Julia Voth
Two graphics cards will always offer a worse real world experience than a single gpu. Fuck SLI/crossfire, I'm never going back to multi gpu solutions
>unironically building an SLI machine
It's a meme, the bonuses are theoretical and rarely translate. So many games don't even support SLI, and then many that do only have marginal 10% bonuses. Add in microstutter and you're actually getting shittier performance than you would have with a single card
>>339618523
but you can
you just need an enthusiasts key or something
>>339615767
Benchmark on a game nobody cares about but AMD. Lmao
>>339625085
>Fuck SLI/crossfire, I'm never going back to multi gpu solutions
You can't be this retarded anon
>tfw you didnt buy AMD stock last year
could have made 30k
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>339621264
Linus is so moe
>>339617691
i can buy 2x480 and a stupid xboxone. HAHAH
Why do they call it the 480?
Because when you see it you turn 480 degrees and walk away.
>>339615767
>Ashes of Singularity
>A game built from the ground up for AMD
You can get any more of a biased benchmark than that lol. They use Ashes for literally EVERY SINGLE BENCHMARK THEY SHOW.
>>339625487
fuck off reddit
>tfw they're losing so hard in single card performance they have to use (two) graphics cards to even match any nvidia card in an amd sponsored game
i'd like to see those cards beating the 1080 in arma 3 or an nvidia sponsored game like tomb raider or witcher 3. amd loses once again i guess.
>>339625487
lord jesus is the savior of pc gaming. amd sucks. amen.
>>339625413
I'm not sure what you're trying to imply
>>339615767
3Dfx is superior to any other platform. Glide Api is the future. Prove me wrong.
>protip: you can't
>>339626303
I didn't need this fetish
>>339615767
At what cost?
Quality does not come out of nowhere, especially not from a -$200 gap. Something is going to get sacrificed for that performance output, which is only going to be a short term thing compared to what quirks the card(s) might exhibit over their lifetime.
Do people really still believe that Nvidia's prices are purely artificially and arbitrarily inflated?
>>339626303
Even though I don't have the slightest idea of what im saying, you're wrong
>>339626303
>for AMD
what proprietary software does AMD use that would hinder competition?
>>339626616
>quality doesn't come from no where
>gsync and freesync are impossible to tell apart in a blind trial yet gsync monitors cost $200 more
Lmao
>>339615767
>1.00 AMD points deposited to your account. Thanks for your business, Schlomo Shekelbergstein
>>339626694
not him but optimizing for a single architecture (eg GCN) has much more of an effect on competing architectures compared to the affects of proprietary software. it could be comparable to a game being made and optimized for xbox and then ported over to the ps4. it will run fine on ps4 but it won't take advantage of that extra hardware performance that we expect it to have over the xbox.
>>339626842
>moving goalposts from graphics cards to proprietary experimental solutions for frame sync
Nvidia seems to have taken the inefficient and overengineered route on that one though. Match point for AMD on this issue, at least for the moment.
Sapphire rx 480 when?
>>339615767
Only thing is that crossfire is cannot reliably be compared to a single graphics card because there's a lot of factors other than graphics performance that people may be looking for.
>power usage
>reliability(2x the cards means 2x the chance of failure)
>running heat
I'm a pretty big AMD fanboy I want them to succeed really bad but we have to wait and see. I hope their performance really reaches or even exceeds their claims.
>>339620971
I get 60fps at 1440p on my 390 with Gameworks shit turned off.
>>339617332
feel yah
>>339625413
but he's right.
>>339627291
Freesync isn't proprietary. It's open source. It's part of Displayport 1.2a's standards. Nvidia could easily support it on their GPUs if they wanted to, but they'd rather you pay the Nvidia tax.
>>339615767
Can someone explain to me why they ONLY show bench marks for Ashes of Singularity? *winky face*
>>339628749
first true DX12.
>>339615767
>2 cards
>Twice the heat
>Twice the power draw
>Many applications still don't support CF
>One game no one gives a shit about
>>339628520
Sorry, I worded that badly, but I was referring to GSync as the proprietary one. Both are experiments into solving the screen tearing problem for good but Nvidia took the wrong route this time.
It's not even in common use yet, isn't it? There may be miscellaneous advantages to Gsync that are still unknown, but maybe not. Freesync wins this one for now from what I see right now.
>>339628749
Because it's the only thing they can do well.
For example if I was really got at knitting, I'd challenge an MMA fighter to knitting. And now I'm better than him!
>>339630195
Pretty much every monitor aimed at gaming released in the past 2 years supports freesync or gsync Going forward it's going to expand further for freesync because there is no added cost for putting it in, especially after Intel starts supporting it on their iGPUs, it won't even be a "gamer" exclusive feature, it'll just be a normal thing for monitors to have.
>>339615767
>Implying anymore Amd approved(tm) dx12 games are coming out in the next year and a half.
Enjoy your on paper only performance.
>>339618068
>There is no guarantee this performance gap will carry over to other games
well it has, on every single native dx12 title so far. Like Gears of War and Hitman
>>339618653
>Spending $400 for a 10% performance boost over a $200 card
wew lad. The 1070 was the deal of the decade before yesterday.
>>339630108
>>Twice the heat
>>Twice the power draw
mean nothing
>>Many applications still don't support CF
every video game currently released supports Crossfire
>one game
that's the dx12 performance difference. We dont know about Dx11 performance
>sli
enjoy youre microstutters and incompatibilities you fucking morons
>>339631607
>Like Gears of War and Hitman
>native dx12
are you high?
>tfw sli and crossfire doesn't even work in most game
>tfw have to have fullscreen for it to work
>tfw energy bill
>>339615767
>>339617656
This card will probably be 2x 400 euros because everything imported gets like a 75% price increase
>>339631695
>r9 480x
>not even as fast as a 980
>gtx 1070
>faster than a titan x in many cases
>>>>>10% performance difference
i know which one i'd get. 1070 is clearly the best value. if i wanted between 970 and 980 performance i'd just buy a used 980 for $250 in 6 months time and overclock it to 980 ti performance.
>>339622217
They included it in the price though. The card is only $200, so the value is true if it lives up to what they say.
That being said, do we have real specs on this thing yet or just vague stuff like this?
>>339618068
Official benchmark data.
They're both doing 1440p crazy settings.
The terrains are randomly generated every time.
1 gpu >>>>>> 2 gpus, all day everyday.
>>339632627
>1080 using a newer gimped version specifically made to fuck its performance
welp, at least they tried. still can't wait to get my hands on a 1080.
>>339618068
like the other guy said, the terrain here is procedurally generated.
STILL WAITING ON A LIST OF "REAL" DX 12 GAMES COMING OUT IN THE NEXT YEAR.
AMD maintaining their dominance in the theoretical performance without real world real world results category.
NVIDIOTS IN FULL DAMAGE CONTROL
>>339633671
E3 will probably give us a good idea.
>>339633262
it's normal for a game with async compute to be faster on amd
however, ashes of the singularity will be the only game
you're hearing a lot about how all dx12 will run faster on amd. because i'm sure you can't wait to play those unified windows eXperience games from the windows store on win10, right anon?
>>339626303
Of course they would use Ashes. It's one of the only DX12 games to use Aync Compute, so it works well in their favor.
>a game built from the ground up for AMD
literally no. Async compute is the only thing here, and Nvidia still hasn't put hardware async compute in their new cards, which is fucking retarded really. Their cards use software emulation of async compute, which usually results in WORSE performance in DX12 games that use it. This is why Quantum Break and Ashes run so well on AMD compared to green team.
>>339633784
lol the fact these amd shills are begging for the downfall of pc gaming by actually supporting windows' crazy attempt to wrestle steam out of business with their windows store games just shows how deluded a fanbase they are.
>>339633262
And the dual gpu was only utilizing about 51% from the slideshow. This means theres lots of headroom for this to be better later on with proper implementation.
>>339633671
Hitman? TotalWar: Warhammer?
>>339633784
>ashes of the singularity will be the only game
Quantum Break uses it too.
>>339634075
>Quantum Break
>runs well on anything
you're joking right? are you seriously defending this joke of a development team which produced probably the most broken game in the last year which doesn't even run well at 1080p low settings on either a fury x or 980 ti?
amd fanboys. ill never understand how they could defend these things just because they have a one up over nvidia for once.
They haven't been able to compete for a while and yet they still sell more. It's like thinking Apple is doomed because they have an inferior product.
>>339634490
>amd fanboys
I've never even fucking owned an amd card. I LITERALLY ONLY fucking stated that Quantum Break uses async compute, you don't have to keep going with shit I know.
>>339618654
To be fair nvidia pulled the same shit with DOOM
>>339634657
Everyone who shills async compute is a fanboy.
Reminder, neither pascal nor maxwell does async compute on hardware level.
>>339635041
>Reminder, neither pascal nor maxwell does async compute on hardware level.
I already said that. They use emulation for async compute and that's why they get worse performance in async compute games than when using DX11.
>expecting the marketing hype to be true for either company
I understand this isn't /g/ but come on guys.
>crossfire
Oh, can't wait to wait for every new game driver update. Hope my favorite game will get on the list!
>>339635397
>microstutter
DELETE THIS
>>339617656
>>339617514
>>339615767
$199 - 4GB 480
$250 - 8 GB 480
FYI.
If you want xfire, be prepared for the stuttering games.
>mfw I was actually looking for a card on a budget to upgrade my toaster
>>339635820
http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/09/june-smart-toaster-oven/
>>339635741
With that price point that should be competitive with nvidia's equivalent cards. Let's hope AMD's software takes advantage of the hardware.
>>339618654
>implying nvidia didn't do that with crysis 2 and bitcher 3
>>339617514
It says 2x so you weren't wrong
>He fell for the dual GPU meme
>not going quad GPU setup
>tfw quad 480 would still only be $100 more expensive and get twice than power of 1080
kek
>>339636225
$199 is pretty useless because of 4GB.
$250 is nice, but not faster than 1070.
$500 is amazing deal and faster than 1070, but have to deal with the stuttering games, energy bill, high temp, etc...
Again, remember that 970 in DX11 games always performs better than 390X, which is similar to 480.
NVIDIA SPECIAL SHOW MAY 5-6/2016
HIGHLIGHTS OF THE SHOW:
1. NVIDIA ANSEL
3D screenshots and Super-Hi-Res screenshots capability
Comes to 1000s series with launch, comes to 9xx series later this year. Free, with drivers.
2. PHYSICAL-BASED VIRTUAL SOUND
3. GTX 1070 AND 1080 ANNOUNCED
4. SINGLE PASS MULTI-PROJECTIONS FOR MULTI-MONITOR SETUP (for any 1000s card, free with drivers)
5. SINGLE-PASS STEREO FOR VR (free, comes with driver for 1000s)
AMD COMPUTEX 2016 SHOW
HIGHLIGHTS OF THE SHOW:
1. RADEON 480X ANNOUNCED
------
Damn, Nvidia sure got just told, kek.
>but... but! look at the benchs!
Sure I did, see picrelated.
>>339636874
DELETE THIS
REEEEEEEEEEEE
>>339636835
Why is this only 5 cores.
>>339636660
>He thinks the SLI/Crossfire scales well beyond 2 cards
>>339636835
>970 always perform better than 390X in DX11
What?
Pics related, a "neutral" game with Nvidiaworks
>>339637215
>one of few DX11 games
See >>339637035
So do I buy this budget red meme card to replace my 3 year old budget green meme card? GTX 650. I just want to get by without bottlenecking on 1 GB VRAM since I'm used to playing on a budget card.
>>339636874
>1080
>high end flagship gpu that costs 700$
>480
>medium end gpu that costs 200$
Fuck off Njewdia shill
>>339632627
>Official benchmark data.
I don't understand.
What that image tries to convey?
AllI i see is that AMD GPU, with that mythological Async Compute support, performs 2+ fps better in specifically optimzied for AMD hw game compare to Nvidia top current card?
Like... what? What kind of argument it is supposed to be?
>nvidia card without any optimization literally at no disadvantage against something that was supposed to be an equal competitor
haha what
>>339632627
FUCKING DELETE THIS
>>339615767
>Running two cards
I am all for going with whichever company pushes out the better cards, but I'll be avoiding using a dual gpu setup. That's just asking for trouble.
>>339637368
Well, this chart shows that 970 is faster than 390X. I rest my case.
>Post yfw you didn't fall for the 970 meme and now you can get a more powerful card for half the price
>>339637215
and another
>>339637507
>>339637368
>>339637382
>selected
>https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/R9_390_Nitro/23.html
15 games here. Check mate.
>>339637458
Do it
AMD is way better on a budget, and your card won't get gimped by newer drivers
>>339615767
>People still don't know that different hardware runs different games differently
Seriously people.
>>339637478
1. Only Founder's Editoin is 699, the normal price will be 499$ non-ref wit better cooling like DeepCool or Windofrce
2. Exactly my point, more expensive card perform literally TWICE as faster. That is how it should be and that is why people prefer quality over quantity?
I was promised by AMD shills equal competitor.
In real games I see that more expensive card is way, WAY faster.
Where is the promised "equal performance by the price of 199$"
???
???????????????????????????
>>339637693
This is literally the basis of the graphics card industry. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>339637493
Did you read what the post was linking to? Specifically the 3rd, 4th, 5th point.
>>339637493
>2 480s are $100-200 cheaper than 1080 non-scam edition
>equal competitor
>>339615767
>ashes of the singularity
wew, where is literally any other comparison?
>>339637643
>2% better
>$100+ more
????
>>339637738
>I was promised by AMD shills equal competitor.
What? Nobody told you this. It was reported for weeks that the AMD card that would be announced wouldn't be a high end card to compete equally with Pascal. That will probably be Vega, my dude.
>>339637830
I don't understand this post.
I assume it's point was to point out I was told.
I'm desperately trying to see where and how.
>>339615767
When AMD dies, how much higher will hardware costs be?
One sole company owns all the sunglasses and they're cheap as fuck.
>>339637493
>amd card was optimized
They literally said it was only using 51% of its utilization. Its an unoptimized benchmark for AMD's GPU.
>>339637215
>posting false benchmarks
kek
why does /v/ suddenly approve of race to the bottom product?
>>339637857
Nope. They have to wait longer for the driver that helps 480 performing better on other games. See >>339637035
Enjoy being a waitfag.
>>339615767
>2x anything
yeah, how about not
So what games are you guys trying to run anyways?
All these new cards seem kind of overkill.
>>339617663
>SLI/Crossfire
Ahahahahaha
Enjoy your stuttering you plebs
>>339632627
>those CPU benchmarks
AMD is cooking that shit hard. There's no way anyone would want that.
Where's the Vulkan benchmark?
>>339637962
They'll never die because Nvidia will have an antitrust lawsuit on their hands otherwise. So Nvidia would rather pay to keep AMD around than have them go away completely, same as Microsoft and Apple. AMD will always be relegated to the cuck shed.
Two RX480s will perform similar to this
You forgot to add the part where amd cards are massive power hogs and you'll have to pay 200 for your new 800 psu plus more every month on your electric bill
>>339637937
>What? Nobody told you this.
Are you fucking blind
i will spoonfeed you retard:
https://youtu.be/ZwlQvjwYFEM?t=2264
Literally AMD rep says "same performance by lower price"
literally call it analogue solution
LITER-fucking-ALLY.
get cucked
When you make statement like that you have to understand you gotta hold answer for that in real benchmark. And, oh goyim, I CAN"T wait for these benchmark.
>AMD cucks on suicide watch
CLOCK LITERALLY TICKING
TICK
TOCK
>>339637738
>1. Only Founder's Editoin is 699, the normal price will be 499$ non-ref wit better cooling like DeepCool or Windofrce
>200 less
Source
>>339637962
200% markup minimum with more options that only differ slightly
>>339638173
yeah SLI is less likely to get that than Crossfire. Look at the chart >>339635741
>Worrying this much about pricing
If the price is that big a deal perhaps you cucks should get a real job.
>>339638218
480 is 150W
Fuck you
>>339637998
>Its an unoptimized benchmark for AMD's GPU.
>Ashes of Singularity
>unoptimized benchmark for AMD
you either ignorant faggot or tying to bait me
I think I will stay away just for the sake of it.
>>339637738
>499$
599 you mean. Founders is a $100 premium (for nothing).
>>339638367
You can't overclock it with that power. Unless you better crack up, enjoy your housefire card.
>>339638374
Do you understand what new cards are? Its not optimized for the new 480 dual gpu setup. There's still drivers to be written on AMD's side and there's work to be done on the game side.
They have nearly 50% head room ahead. This would translated well into 60+ fps and maybe even into 70-90 fps category, if the scaling is perfect. At the very least, an optimized version would be alot better than 1080.
>>339638061
>false benchmark
kek
>>339637738
>1. Only Founder's Editoin is 699, the normal price will be 499$ non-ref wit better cooling like DeepCool or Windofrce
Non-reference will be $600, not $500.
>2. Exactly my point, more expensive card perform literally TWICE as faster. That is how it should be and that is why people prefer quality over quantity?
>twice as faster
Anyway, AMD needs more market share, and more people buy $200 GPUs than buy $600 GPUs. They're picking their battles carefully here. So what's the problem?
>I was promised by AMD shills equal competitor.
You were literally never promised this by anyone ever. Everyone knew Polaris was the midrange chip, everyone knew Vega was the high end chip that wasn't going to show, and any time someone spoke with this knowledge you tried the "I thought Polaris was supposed to be high-end, what happened? XDDD" shit, and every single time you were called out for knowing this wouldn't be the case.
>>339638194
>AMD will never die because nvidia would be under anti-trust scrutiny
That's not how it works.
Anti-trust only covers acquisitions, so Nvidia would not be permitted to acquire AMD's assets and IPs. Some other company would have to come along to take up AMD's mantle as competitor to Nvidia.
For a while, Nvidia would be unchallenged and legally obtain a monopoly over their market by default.
>Buying the inferior AMD 480
>He doesn't play it the way it's meant to be played
>>339638262
see>>339638414
I fucked up, was thinking of 1070
>>339638685
>You were literally never promised this by anyone ever.
see
>>339638252
nobody forced that AMD rep spouting these words yet it did.
>>339637942
The point is that Polaris is NOT an equal competitor, and was never intended to be or ever played up as such, yet two of them is just as good as Nvidia's flagshipin one heavily AMD-biased game that actually has CFX supportfor less money.
>>339632627
>Resolution: 0 x 0
>>339615767
Yeah that's great, I'll be much more impressed when they release a processor that at least competes with the 6700k at a cheaper price.
>>339639069
Game doesn't recognize the cards yet. The drivers aren't ready yet.
Keepsweating
>>339638252
He said that for two cards, nice moving goal posts fucking dumbass
>>339639069
>mismatched versions
>Nvidia card CPU performance nearly double all around
The writing's on the wall. AMD's new card is going to eat mainboard bridges for breakfast.
>>339638742
>tfwstill using a GTX 480 in my PCThankfully, my friend is giving me his GTX 970 when gets a 1070, fuck yes.
>>339638579
>Do you understand what new cards are?
It has nothing to do with 'new cards"
AMD480 isn't really new tech like Pascal. It just, supposedly, more powerful Fury analog.
But even if disregard that, devs of AoS were in cahoots with AMD team since day 0. There is a reason why they were spouting that ABSOLUTELY nonsensical irrelevant shit about lack of Async Compute on Nvidia side (something that never became relevant and people and devs forgot about). If you read the blogs of some of the devs or twitter (we have this thread before on /v/ in 2015 when this shit was flying around) you'd see "AMD this" and "AMD that". Ashes of Singularity is literally what these nvidia "Way it meantto be played" games with Gameworks were. The game was developed in mind for AMD, both dev team were in right contact so it is no wonder it runs on AMD better. I mean, it is normal practice, nvidia does that to---
Oh wait,
Except it does not run much better at all. 2 fps, kek.
![very-high-scorching-temperature-shown-on-a-thermostat_fJyN9ZP_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IPS3gxa.jpg "very-high-scorching-temperature-shown-on-a-thermostat fJyN9ZP [1]")
>>339639194
Mom said stop touching the thermostat fuccboi
>>339639054
literally post above you
you can stop talking about things you know nothing about
>>339639204
>>339637458
Almost the same boat, but 650 Ti. I just want 1080p/60FPS on newer games on max/almost max settings, is it safe to assume the RX480 could do that? It's a really nice price.
>>339639426
>AMD480 isn't really new tech like Pascale
kek
>amd is 2fps better and >$200 cheaper therefore is BAD
The shill is retarded.
So, Why wont AMD release a card to replace the GT 610 or the GTX 950SE? if polaris is this efficient and cheap they could be able to do it with no problem.
Will aftermarket sellers make the card look less retarded?
![amd-radeon-split-2015-09-10-03[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/971mNEj.jpg "amd-radeon-split-2015-09-10-03[1]")
Apologize.
>>339639204
>it took 2 brand new champion cards from AMD to top single-gpu card from nvidia by 4 fps
>>339639426
Pascal isn't a new tech like Pascal either. It just, supposedly, more powerful 980 ti analog.
>>339632627
>Those differences in CPU framerate
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>>339639646
I know this is bait but whatever.
2 $200 cards vs a $700+ card.
>>339639606
POO
>>339639606
But I already have a 390x
>>339639518
And you can too.
The only thing "biased" about Ashes is that it uses Async compute, which Nvidia doesn't have full hardware support for (software emulation of it). Nvidia could use it if they wanted to, be for some dumb fucking reason they haven't bothered to put hardware async compute in their cards.
>>339639676
Intel doesn't like AMD GPUs.
>>339639551
>The shill is retarded.
>2x top new champion cards
>only managed to beat single nvidia GPU card by 4 FPS
>in a specifically selected benchmark
You can't make this up. Shit is golden.
Let's take a look at real games then
>>339639776
Its DX12 and doesn't use Gameworks. Therefore bias.
GUYS
GUYS
HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT ASHES OF SINGULARITY IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT GAME IN EXISTENCE AND IS ALSO THE BEST SELLING GAME OF ALL TIME AND IS THE ABSOLUTE ONLY BENCHMARK THAT IS ALLOWED TO BE SHOWCASED. REAL SLI BENCHMARKS OF ACTUAL MAINSTREAM, POPULAR GAMES ARE NOT ALLOWED. HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE FORGET THIS
????????????
>>339639665
>Pascal isn't a new tech like Pascal either.
>>339634296
But everytime someone brings up hitman or rise of the tombraider bechmarks they are told they are not "real" dx12 games and therfore don't count.
>>339639907
kys butthurt faggot
Ehhh I'll only need one 480. Just enough to run newer releases at 1080 60. 7870 isn't what it used to be.
>>339639907
Sweating too much
>>339639863
>doesn't use Gameworks
So this is AMD bias now? What the fuck, this is some retarded bait. Gameworks didn't even exist until 2 years ago. Are you saying every game before was AMD biased?
>>339639940
Its only a "real" DX12 games, if they have gameworks.
>>339639723
I know this is bait but whatever.
2x 200$ cards vs 1x 599$
90fps in real game vs 180 fps in real game
+4 fps in single benchmark with obscure dx12 instruction
kek
Nobody will buy founder's edition in their right mind.
I love seeing the same news piece and repeated reposts of various wojak memes with different hats of different brands.
>>339639054
>heavily AMD-biased game with CFX support
>that shitty CPU performance
Really, now?
The moment your CPU lags behind your GPU, you get microstutter. AMD has always been plagued with that issue, and here we see it assuredly resurfacing in these benchmarks:
>>339632627
Imagine running event scripts, AI, and multiplayer hosting on that machine. The Nvidia rig could take the CPU hit and still run fine, AMD rig is borderline unplayable in those benchmarks and will be tipped over the edge the moment any heavy lifting is required.
That's Crossfire eating the CPU alive. It's no good.
>>339639907
he's right you know. who the fuck cares about a benchmark of some unknown and irrelevant game. showing this game as a ultimate benchmark is like saying 3dmark firestrike is the ultimate benchmark for testing all gpu's. synthetics never mean anything in real world performance. i'd bed $100 right now that these 2 cards won't beat even an oc 1070 in the majority of titles.
>>339639776
>The only thing "biased" about Ashes is that it uses Async compute, which Nvidia doesn't have full hardware support for (software emulation of it).
but that is the FUCKING point retard.
They don't use it and the difference between card that has full optimzied HW suppeor vs card that has none is
FOUR
FUCKING
FPS
Now go back to Google and read the articles from September 2015 about what big deal AMD and AoS devs tried to make out of it
it just pathetic
NOBODY
LITERALLY
CARES
as expected
>>339636874
[X] Doubt
>>339640286
It's a mid range card.
You seem upset.
>>339640083
But its Amd fans that keep telling us those games like hitman are not full dx12 games.
GTX 1060Ti will blow the fuck out this card.
>>339638252
>>339638925
>I am a retarded retard who enjoys misinterpreting unambiguous statements to prove how unintelligent I am
Right there in the very video you link and timestamp - thank you, by the way - you see him pointing out how the 1080 gets matched by a GPU that ISN'T an equal competitor by means of Crossfire while still maintaining a lower pricepoint.
I don't know why the fuck you're still trying to go with this fucking dipshit argument. At the end of the day, everyone knows flagship cards aren't price/performance kings, they never have been, everyone knows AotS is heavily biased in favour of AMD in benchmarks, and everyone knows Crossfire and SLI aren't reliable or widely adopted enough to make the demo really matter. That's all you need, you can stop telling us how fucking stupid you are any time now.
>>339640398
>It's a mid range card.
tell that to the shill who directly position it as a competitor to 1080
Felel free to actually watch the stream instead of spouting your ignorance.
go on
>>339640482
>Buying anything below the 1070
are you being ironic here?
>AYYMD 300W HOUSEFIRES
>Nvidia super power efficient and single CPU with no multi-GPU stuttering
NVIDIA WON
>>339640523
>felel free
Dunno about that anon, but I'll take that lolberty now.
>>339640523
I haven't seen anyone actually use the card as direct competitor. It's mostly just show of technology since AMD started from low-mid end and still wanted to get a piece of Nvidia's high end so they decided to show their new technology with crossfire. Direct competitor was always Vega.
>>339640286
>They don't use it and the difference between card that has full optimzied HW suppeor vs card that has none is
keeeeeeeeeeeeek i just realised this. nvidia cards are gimped with this benchmark yet they still come out on top or at least match amd. holy shit amd are really finished.
>>339640523
Jesus fucking christ how can you go on putting out stupid bullshit like this?
They put TWO of them against a 1080 to show that you can have around the same performance for much less cost. Not a single card competing.
Fucking retard.
>>339640576
thermal throttling
>>339640498
>you see him pointing out how the 1080 gets matched by a GPU that ISN'T an equal competitor by means of Crossfire while still maintaining a lower pricepoint.
No, I see that 2x (TWO) brand new cards that barely manage to match one single (1) GPU card in a SPECIFICALLY SELECTED benchmark -- game -- which supposedly should work way better on AMD.
>I don't know why the fuck you're still trying to go with this fucking dipshit argument.
Because you are ignorant little AMD cuck.
Here is what I see later: unbiased benchmark data from Doom where you can see the performance of spoken 2x 200$ cards that barely reaches 87FPS limit.
And then I compare it with a peformance of a single card that reached 183FPS
Doing simpel crude math: 2x brand new cards on ""supposedly new tech"", as amd cusk trying to tell me here, are literally 2x slower then a single brand new Nvidia card.
let's check the prcie value again? 399$ vs 599$
So the card that 50% more expensive delivers 100% (2x) more performance.
I'm blid but i literally see no advantage of these 2x cheap cards over a single-gpu one.
>>339640523
>directly position it as a competitor to 1080
They literally didn't. He showed two not-competitor midrange cards matching a flagship that is not their competition, and doing it for less money because the midrange cards are not competing with the high-end card.
>>339640828
I never said a single card is a direct competitor.
Sorry of it came out that way, the image clearly shows 2x of these. I heavily based my point of that because I find whole situation pathetic,.
>>339641034
Talking about the Asynchronous computing meme, How important is it for Vulkan?
>if two cheap nvidia cards beat any amd card in an nvidia sponsored title
>"REEEEEE le goyworks"
>i-it doesn't count because nvidia were working with the devs"
>if two cheap ayymd cards *match* any nvidia card in an amd sponsored title
>OMG look at this performance
>this obviously counts because ayymd told me!
kek, amdrones. not even once. these threads have literally become god tier entertainment where you can just laugh at the stuff these desperate amdrones come out with.
>>339641027
>No, I see that 2x (TWO) brand new cards that barely manage to match one single (1) GPU card in a SPECIFICALLY SELECTED benchmark
Both brands use brand new cards retard. One is 200 dollars the other is apparently 599 but 700 in practice. It's like you have literally no idea what card tiers mean. 599 dollar bracket is literally yet unreleased Vega. AMD and Nvidia started from different brackets entirely.
>>339641154
It's not inherently important, it's only important if the devs want to use it. That's why some DX12 games have no real performance difference between the vendors at all.
>>339615767
but drivers and devs only caring about nvidia
>>339641027
$200 vs $600 100% difference
$460 vs $600 1%-10% difference
>>339641154
Let me tell you; one year later there is only one single game uses it.
Can you guess which one?
it has 63 score on metacritic.
you will get a loli for correct answer.
Does amd have decent cpus or is it better to go intel+amd
>>339641067
>two cards
>matching a flagship
>ever
Not even with a top end CPU/mobo and all the software optimization in the world. That benchmark is cherry-picked bollocks for hype.
>>339641385
Intel CPU without doubts.
Just get a cheap I5 if you are on a budget.
>>339641336
>only one single game uses it
Quantum Break as well
>inb4 it doesn't count
lmao shill
>excited for the $200 RX480
>remembered that no upcoming pc games interests me
>my HD6870 still works fine on older games
>>339641284
>One is 200 dollars the other is apparently 599 but 700 in practice.
>dat shilling
>dat strawman
Stop this shit, goyim. 700$ is the founder's and nobody will buy it.
Zotac, EVGA, GIGABYTE, iChill - they all will be selling the 550-599$ editions.
Hell, when MSI jumps on board we will see 449$ variants because they are cheaps a fuck.
>>339641385
Zen might be decent but we literally don't know that for sure yet. If that 40% IPC increase is for real, they could seriously match up pretty good against Broadwell-E.
STILL WAITING FOR DX12 TO BE RELEVANT.
Enjoy your first party Xbone ports.
>>339641385
Wait for Amd's ZEN processors if you want to buy AMD
They just announced 7th gen processors for the FX and A81849297$8@9 series but they were never fantastic
>>339641512
>Quantum Break as well
Feel free to prove it. Where QB uses async computing
reputable sources
>>339641385
Budget? Go AMD.
Cash out your ass? Go Nvidia+Intel.
Don't care about gaming or video editing but need power? Go Intel+AMD.
Need a decent workstation? Don't fuck around with building it yourself, you have fucking work to do.
>>339641635
this
i havent had the need to upgrade in so long since every game with a budget these days is garbage
>>339641560
Currently the only aftermarket ones are still expensive shit.
I guess you just gotta Wait™
>>339641560
>700$ is the founder's and nobody will buy it.
I have some bad news for you anon.
Its popular as fuck, there are even people buying it for $900-1000 in amazon.
So much for humanity.
>>339641621
>If that 40% IPC increase is for real, they could seriously match up pretty good against Broadwell-E.
are you seriously this deluded? that doesn't even put them close to broadwell. it barely even comes close to haswell performance.
>>339641027
>No, I see that 2x (TWO) brand new cards
That cost presumably $250 each, total of $500
>barely manage to match one single (1) GPU card
That costs $600
>SPECIFICALLY SELECTED benchmark -- game -- which supposedly should work way better on AMD.
Which is demonstrated when the cheaper solution matches and just slightly bests the high-end solution.
>Here is what I see later: unbiased benchmark data from Doom where you can see the performance of spoken 2x 200$ cards that barely reaches 87FPS limit.
Holy shit, you are actually more retarded than just being a retarded retard. The AMD Doom gameplay was running one ONE 480, you fucking drooling slack-jawed mongoloid.
Enough with you telling other people to watch the fucking press conference, how about YOU fucking watch it for a change? Then we can talk.
>>339641796
Also those people are the ones reporting the fan, temperature and throttling problems like they didn't knew about problems related to reference cards.
Just probably getting a 1070.
The 200 dollar 480 will definitely run anything this gen, because consoles have capped out and its still better than the new consoles. Its THE 1080p card. I want to jump to 1440p/144hz so the 1070 is it.
>AYYMD & MULTI-GPU
>199 USD for at least 5 TFLOPS
What a time to be alive
>>339641528
What about any games recently released?
DOOM?
Any of the higher end Final Fantasy ports (Type 0, XIII, etc.)?
Alien: Isolation (not that recent, I know)?
Witcher 3?
XCOM 2?
I don't know your interests so yeah.
>>339641665
It's reported in a pretty wide variety of places, don't be fucking lazy. It's supposed to be pretty common information.
>>339632845
how come?
>>339641796
>>339641954
>there are people that have money to spare
I'm envy of their financial capabilities but not in slightest of their intellectual ones.
That being said, my point was to tell that it is pretty pathetic to use "700$" as an argument when it comes to price because real market price will be lower.
>>339641863
And Haswell is basically just as good as Broadwell.
Intel hasn't made a serious jump in CPU performance since Sandy Bridge, my dude.
>>339642197
Games dont like SLI and crossfire.
>>339642197
uneven frame times on multi GPU
>>339641027
this is what i see. amd's drivers will still be consistently shit and as soon as benchmarks come out showing that their cf performance is no better than usual then all this nonsense hype will die. i still can't believe that such a deluded fanbase have resorted so far as to recommend CF over a single gpu, when literally everyone in the tech industry will tell you that single gpu>>>>> dual gpu without hesitation. amd fanboys truly are a lost cause.
>>339641924
>The AMD Doom gameplay was running one ONE 480, you fucking drooling slack-jawed mongoloid.
No it wasn't, these were 2x 480.
Show me where they say it was running on single.
Do it nig.
go on
>>339642095
5TFLOPS are 2x
>>339641924
>matches and just slightly bests the high-end solution.
Not real-world performance.
This benchmark >>339632627 is pure GPU utilization (no physics, no networking, no scripts). Look at the CPU stats.
That's so far in in the high-end card's favor it's not even silly. The low-end cards will be crippled horrendously the moment an actual game is played.
>>339641560
You have to be very very rich, or most likely stupid, to buy a $600 GPU.
RX 480 will be able to do 1440p 60 max settings. How the fuck is that not enough.
>>339642423
No, 5 TFLOPS is only one card, read the specs of the card.
>>339642095
This is the attitude that people should have. A pretty decent card on a budget. Should be perfect for 1080p, I imagine.
>>339642423
And then there are retards like this who literally didn't watch the stream. It's one card at 5.5. Maybe in 2008 you would barely reach 5 on 2 cards.
>>339642098
most of my interests are weebshit that are on the 3ds and ps4. Aside from older PC games, my only interests are DOOM4 and SF5. SF5 already runs fine and DOOM4 will probably run fine as well because id_tech is known to scale well on older systems
>>339642480
More of these cuties?
>>339642480
>You have to be very very rich, or most likely stupid, to buy a $600 GPU.
I will get 1070 nig.
1080 is too much for me, despite the fact I acknowledge its insane power.
>RX 480 will be able to do 1440p 60 max settings. How the fuck is that not enough.
Single one never.
2x maybe,
That's wht they showed in their benchmark in Ashes - 2x 480 scratching 62FPS.
>>339636835
I have an AMD build and even I think that webm is funny as hell.
>>339642480
>1440p 60 max settings
Ok now that's just straight up lying. 1080p yes, 1440p was already confirmed not a chance at max settings, and that was with Ashes of the Singularity as well.
>>339642595
So if the new Zero Escape is a good port, you should still be fine then.
>>339642590
>Should be perfect for 1080p, I imagine.
All I want is to play Witcher 3 and Doom 4 at rock solid 60 fps at 1080p.
My 770 is showing its age already, it's a great card, but I think it's time to upgrade.
>>339642332
was amd's gameplay running on vulkan or opengl?
>>339642697
Bu-but in 3 years the drivers will be better.
The cry of Amd users.
>>339643016
I have a GTX 480, I feel for you. Luckily I won't even have to spend any money on a new card. My friend's going to give me his 970 when he picks out a new card soon. Fucking finally I can ditch this shitty old card that's only good for 720p.
>>339642480
>RX 480 will be able to do 1440p 60 max settings
nigga it's not even as powerful as a single 980 and even the 980 struggles to get 60 fps at 1440p in recent games.
>>339642332
>Show me where they say it was running on single.
>Do it nig.
>go on
Good that you didn't lead off by showing me where it said it was running on two, but since I'm not retarded, I figured out the obvious truth by realizing (1) they didn't mention a peep about Crossfire or multiple GPUs until they put two of them up against the 1080, and (2) the benchmark was hitting numbers consistent with factory OC'd 390X benchmarks after the patch that fixed those framerate issues, which is about where those leaked benchmarks were putting the 480 in the first place.
It was one and you are a brainless cocksucker.
>>339643189
>nigga it's not even as powerful as a single 980
The 980 is 5 tflops just like the 480, anon
>>339643024
it was VULKAN demo, they were talking about Vulkan support
>>339643387
>no proofs
>keeps shilling
talk done
come back with proofs
>>339643573
>no proofs
>keeps shilling
You also have no proof. I came back and fucked you with basic logic. I win, and you are still a brainless cocksucker.
>talk done
Thank you for admitting unconditional surrender.
>>339643189
>it's not even as powerful as a single 980
It is
>980 struggles to get 60 fps at 1440p in recent games.
Only if you run ridiculous settings in badly optimised games. 980/390x offer very good 2560x1440 performance and playable 4k performance. They are overkill for 1080p
>>339615767
>tfw just bought a 9meme
on the bright side when i inevitably will have to upgrade it won't be a bottleneck
>>339643715
>still no proofs
>still shilling
AMDcucks desperate
I can't fucking wait for real benchmarks
>>339643390
>implying tflops mean anything when it comes to amd
>fury x: 8.6 tflops
>980 ti: 6.1 tflops
>r9 390x: 5.9 tlops
>gtx 980: 5.0 tflops
you get the picture. amd always have higher computational performance but it never translated into actual performance.
also:
http://www.techspot.com/news/65054-amd-radeon-rx-480-offer-5-tflops-compute.html
>Compared to Nvidia's cards, the RX 480 will probably slot between the GeForce GTX 970 and GTX 980
it's not faster than a gtx 980.
>>339643958
he isn't lying though. They really didn't mention anything about crossfire performance until the Ashes graph, and the framerate IS around the same as OCd 390x's. It doesn't make any sense that 2 of the 480s would barely reach the mark of an OCd 390x.
>>339644098
>it's not faster than a gtx 980.
It doesn't matter to me, it's between a 970 and a 980 for the low price of 199 dollars, this card is what I've been for to finally retire my 770.
I'd love to buy a 1070 but it's just a waste to use it for 1080p gaming as I plan on doing for the next 2 years or so.
Buy AMD™ Radeon™ RX 480 now and you get a 3.5GB t-shirt to proudly wear and troll Nvidiots with! :^)
>>339643958
>still talking shit about no proof while not only also providing no proof, but also providing no evidence or reasoning, or refuting my argument in any way
Okay Wimp Lo. I have to work now. I know you have no concept of working, but I'll be back in about 8 hours. Plenty of time for you to turn the gears in your head to try thinking of anything to say. Give it the ol' college try.
>>339644252
>It does not make sense that two 250 dollar cards would perform the same as a 400 dollar (at release) card.
>>339644560
>I have to work now.
literally can't make this up
golden
>>339644450
Wrong reasoning.
I buy 1070 specifically for the next 3-4 years and it WILL serve that much. Doubt your 480 will do more than 2 years so you will have to upgrade again and in the end pay more than I will.
>being a GFX loyalist
idiots, just buy whatever is best at the time, wait for the dust to settle, read reviews, if AMD is better get that, if nvidia is better get that
>>339644450
suit yourself. i'd rather pay the extra ~£40 for the 1070 and the 50-70% extra performance over a gtx 970 as seen in reviews.
>480x 4gb: £250
>480x 8gb: £280
>1070 8gb: £320
All this arguing is solved once benchmarks showing 1440p performance is released.
>>339620893
>still biting it
consider suicune
>>339643958
And why don't you post proof that DOOM was running in crossfire? He hadn't mentioned crossfire yet at that point of the conference, so I don't know what makes you think that those were 2 cards
>trusting pajeet
Kek
>>339644582
Do you even understand that card has been done through architectural improvements as well as the die shrink? This shit is common in generational improvements all the time. Is this your first time seeing a new generation of graphics cards?
>falling for AMD's sketchy marketing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04ITA1_XoqM
>>339643949
>no warranty
>no returns allowed
Why do you shop at shit places?
>>339645113
>falling for NVIDIA's sketchy marketing
>>339644808
If the 480 is around 980, then the difference between 1070 and 480 is only around 20%, which can be closed with overclocks.
>>339644582
I forgot to add, it always comes out to the next mid range card exceeding or matching one of the high end cards of the last generation. (470 to 560Ti, 570 to 660, 670 to 760, 770 to 960)
>>339645294
amd is the lesser of both evils
>>339645113
>being a retarded goy
See >>339632627 for more sweating
>>339645113
>falling for you shilling your shitty youtube channel
>>339645294
>NVIDIA's sketchy marketing
twitch tv/nvidia/v/64989878
>whole show is literally what nvidia achieved since kepler/maxwell
>all comparisons are against their own prev gen GPU
>not a single mention of AMD at all. EVER. NONE.
If I had to use stereotypes, nvidia would be a Paladin with a codex of honur and AMD is a dirty barbarian with rogue tricks.
>>339645113
jesus christ they were using the benchmark as well so you can't even use the excuse it was procedurally generated because the benchmark is the same every single time.
yeah i'm done with amd.
>>339644808
>$180 = £40
>not believing 2 different benchmarks that say 480=980
>believing 1070 vs 970 comparisons
Check those reviews again. You will find 970 performing suspiciously worse than an R9 390 in recent benchmarks.
970 got gimped in recent months to make the 1070 appear better in comparison.
>>339645323
So wait for companies to make their super OC editions?
>>339645101
You do realize this is Amd we are talking about right? Also the chain i was replying to was claiming same performance as the 390.
>>339645535
>not a single mention of AMD at all. EVER. NONE.
The best competition is the dirty kind where they directly go up against each other. Were you even around for Genesis vs SNES? That shit was fucking good. I want it back.
>>339645535
>If I had to use stereotypes, nvidia would be a Paladin with a codex of honur
Worthless fucking shit, no wonder AMD is so far behind. Im picking up a 1080 because I'm not poor.
>>339637930
>1080
>>339645535
>If I had to use stereotypes, nvidia would be a Paladin with a codex of honur
>3.5
>planned obsolescence
>no async compute for no reason
>thermal throttling on 1080
>hagging on Tom
What the fuck
>>339645113
>People try to argue procedural generation when the terrain looks exactly the same (except for clearly lower graphics settings for AMD)
>>339644767
>>339644808
Well, enjoy your planned obsolescence with "goyworks" edition.
>falling for the multiple GPUs meme
>slightly higher frame rates but occasionally one frame will take 4 times longer to render so you get a noticeable hitch
>literally happens in every single game
>>339645708
The competitor that talks shit is always inferior, every fucking time. Sega talking shit about Nintendo, Pepsi talking shit about Coke, Apple talking shit about MS....it never fails. The winner doesn't have to talk shit because they're on top and they know it.
>>339645708
>The best competition is the dirty kind where they directly go up against each other.
i think the best competition is when you are so confident in yourself on a rightful ground that you don't even bother to mention opponent.
it just literally does not exist for you
then it gets mad and comes directly at you for ignoring him
and get punched right in the face
I admire this attitude and respect nvidia here.
>>339646052
>>339646084
hivemind
>>339646084
>and get punched right in the face
the only thing punched right in the face was the 1080, dude, what are you fucking blind?
>>339646013
That's assuming that multi GPU is even supported, since they're leaving it up to the developers now.
>>339645601
>gtx 1070 FE £399
>gtx 1070 aftermarket £320
please, show me where nvidia say the gtx 1070 msrp is going to be more than £320.
>Check those reviews again. You will find 970 performing suspiciously worse than an R9 390 in recent benchmarks.
>970 got gimped in recent months to make the 1070 appear better in comparison.
proof? where's my numbers to back this up? oh wait, it's more amdrone damage control
kek, try harder next time.
So AMD is now better then Nvidia?
>>339645535
>nvidia would be a Paladin with a codex of honur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdwUsalwBJ8
>>339642239
Implying skylake is not 30-40 percent ipc improvement over Sandyvag.
>>339646052
>>339646084
Right. The "winner" just has to use software which directly degrades the performance of competitors product via "shillworks". So confident, much respect.
threadly reminder that the 970 >3.5gb is literally a non issue and only buttblasted amdrones mention it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COEwgUI6D3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW-H0qNw38M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljHgKO1E3s4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6MDUjFiUR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx9YVklTYTk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnQW-60ZaA4
:^)
>company loyalty
Lmao people actually pick "sides"?
>>339646624
It's not like they're accessing some features that are outside of DX/OGL. If AMD can't handle some sequence of DX/OGL commands that is a fault in their driver, not the software written for it.
>>339646243
Pic related shows 970 performing considerably worse than 390. It shouldn't be, but Nvidia wanted to show some big improvements so they let 970 performance slump in recent months. It's genius marketing.
>>339645535
>nvidia would be a Paladin with a codex of honur
Gee already forgetting about this? It hasn't even been a month.
>>339640142
Always wondered about the stutter. You've answered some questions thanks my dude
>>339644808
>>339646243
>$380 = £320
>$200 = £250
kill yourself
the problem with buying AMD is that you know half the games released will have major performance problems thanks to Nvidia's scummy tactics.
I wish more people wised up to that, but until then I just stick to Nvidia. Being moral is great and all, but sometimes I just want 60 fps
>>339647380
I hope you like monopolies then, I know your wallet won't though.
it's too hard to say right now because dx 12 is currently full retard, hitman breaks every patch since adding the dx 12 stuff and the performance at times isn't even better than dx 11, think there's similar shit with warhammer as well. dx12 and devs just blow ass at the moment, it'll probably be another year or two before we actually see if amd or nvidia are winning the dx12 battle
>>339647292
>i am a retard: the post
thanks for sharing
>>339645935
>Well, enjoy your planned obsolescence with "goyworks" edition
Sure senpai.
If you will need any game screenshot in 8 or 12k just lmk, I will start ANSEL
any game for a fellow AMD poorfag
or may be you would like a 3d screenshot? sure thing, just drop a note!
>>339615767
>$700 GTX 1080
>when I can get the $400 GTX 1070
>>339647708
Nah, it's ok. Seeing how nVidia rapes the performance of their own cards is good enough for me: >>339647190
>>339645652
Yes, because the 200 and 300 series cards are rebrands of 7000 cards. The 400s are actually entirely new chips, this isn't hard to understand.
>>339647897
I'm supposed to take it as a valid argument against the statement that Nvidia has better features and software solutions for their cards?
oh pardon.
That Nvidia actually HAS these solutions. for free.
and they are amazing
kek
>>339647380
This just means parity is needed instead of monopoly.
>>339647190
how does this show the 970 is getting worse? where are the old vs new comparisons?
>there isn't even a Shadowplay equivalent for AMD
>it's been 2 years since
>>339615767
2 gpus and a furnace PC. Enjoy your shitty frame rate.
>>339646560
Maybe barely 30? Have you seen the benchmarks?
>>339648073
>for free.
Didn't know that GPUs are free. God bless nVidia.
>>339648485
So, AMD gpus are free?
>>339648140
If the 970 isn't getting worse, why is it so far behind a 390?
>>339647236
What's going on here? They literally don't even say what they have running, or what card is being used...?
>retards thinking the R480 is high-end
>it's barely mid-end
>>339648140
The 970 isint getting worse Amd fans have convinced themselves that their drivers finally not being shit years after release means Nvidia gimped their own cards.
>>339647874
late this month
>>339648257
Your gaming channel isn't going to grow, guy
>>339648718
>Your gaming channel isn't going to grow, guy
>amdcucks consider this a valid argument because they literally have nothing else to say
kek
What the fuck would I even get if I were to build a gaming PC these days
Should I just use Logical Increments or some shit?
>GPU wars
They both have shit points and neither one is directly better than the other in any signifigant way. It really boils down to wether you like red or green better
>look up prices
>1080 is literally $1,200
Jesus fucking christ
>>339648567
>why is it so far behind a 390?
how do we know what games have been used? recently the 970 has been losing out in dx12 games like gears of war, quantam break, hitman, aots by a few fps but that still could add up to ~5 fps difference in the averages. that picture literally means nothing until you can explicitly prove that it's losing performance. it really looks like you're just clutching at straws and are in denial that the 1070 is at best 70% more powerful than a 970.
>>339648932
I'm not saying it on amd's side, I literally never used an amd product since Athlon XP. I'm just telling you the truth.
>>339649040
those are sharks selling the founder edition cards that have already been sent out. the actual price is 600$ for the 1080 and 380$ for the 1070.
>>339641863
>>339642239
Last time Intel and AMD were equals was Phenom 2 vs Penryn, where they had virtually equal IPC
Phenom 2 is also equal with Steamroller roughly, note Bulldozer/Piledriver both had less IPC than Phenom 2
Steamroller/Phenom 2 -> Excavator: 10%
Excavator -> Zen: 40% (claimed)
>Penryn -> Nehalem: 12%
>Nehalem -> Westmere: 1%
>Westmere -> Sandy: 18%
>Sandy -> Ivy: 4%
>Ivy -> Haswell: 7%
>Haswell -> Broadwell: 2%
>Broadwell -> Skylake: 3%
Penryn -> Skylake: 56%
Phenom 2 -> Zen 54%
Welcome to the return of competition. Next stop: whether the clock speeds and power consumption are good.
>>339649040
You can get one for $860 in amazon.
>>339649086
What OS is that on?
>>339649291
I don't understand this chart
>AMD is basing all of it's newest products around DX12
>Which basically means you have to go to W10 or your fucked
>>339642098
Alien Isolation runs on a fucking toaster mate. It's easily the best optimised PC game in years.
>>339649407
texas instruments
>>339649086
>that 20FPS difference
>card is 4C coolers
amd is just sad
>>339648565
You were talking about free nVidia stuff, not AMD, cuck.
>>339649291
Oh man Amd will finally be competitive with chips Intel does not even produce anymore.
>>339632627
>1080
>Game Configuration
>Version 1.12
>Rx 480x2
>Game Configuration
>Version 1.11
hmmmmm
>>339649081
it's only 40-50% more powerful than a 390, which is the minimum performance expected of a 480. This would give the 480 a massive lead in price/performance.
>>339649563
Or Vulkan.
>>339649430
Phenom 2 and Penryn, the 45nm Core 2 arch, had virtually equal IPC
I compared IPC growth since then.
>all these delicious nvidiacucks tears
Keep them coming, bitches.
>>339649647
So, they are free?
So I got this new monitor because my old one shit the bed, it's a 4k and in a later patch it got freesync supoort added in for free.
Should I go AMD, get a shittier card the RX480 but save some money and get freesync. I'm not really sure buying two is worth it since multicard performance is usually all over the fucking place, some gets do multicard really well while others have a huge disadvantage if they even support it at all.
or should I get a GTX1080, blow some extra cash for better performance and deal with vsync and let my monitor's freesync update go to waste?
I'm primarily looking at playing Witcher 3, hopefully in 4k but I might settle for 1080. Witcher 3 I know has some Nvidia exclusive features but I'm not sure if that's worth giving up freesync for.
Historically I've been going back and forth between AMD and Nvidia and my current card is a HD5870 so it would be Nvidia's turn but I am kinda tempted to break my pattern for freesync but I dunno, what do you guys think?
>>339647580
My wallet alone won't prevent monopoly
>>339649834
I don't know. If you get free nVidia GPUs then good for you, shilly mcshillington.
>>339648967
If you were to build a PC literally right now, disregarding release dates of other CPUs or GPUs, I would say go on pcpartpicker and filter CPUs to i5s, RAM to 8GB or 16GB DDR3 or DDR4 depending on the i5 you get (4460 is the cheapest for DDR3 and it's still really good).
For graphics cards, 1080p get a 960 (or you could wait for the RX 480 for that). For 1440p, get a 970 or 980Ti or wait for 1070. For 4K, get a 1080.
Get a decent power supply, like an EVGA one or something (if you get a single card you'll only need a 500W PSU with 80+ efficiency).
Pick whatever case looks good to you, with any thing that fits your needs.
Obviously should have a keyboard and a mouse, doesn't really matter what you get.
Pretty much everything else is up to personal preference.
>>339649563
Vulkan would be just as much for them as DX12 is, so no, not really needing W10.
>>339649565
Well shit, I was under the impression it was a demanding game. Hmm
>>339649741
>Intel no longer produces Skylake and Broadwell
I mean sure Kabylake is a thing but that's virtually a Skylake stepping, there won't really be performance growth, just bugfixes.
>>339649586
tfw people unironically buy amderp
>>339649323
Amazon only ships books and movies to Australia for the most part.
>>339649168
I'm looking at the retail price, although it is in Australia.
Paying literally twice as much for a card that would only be ~$800 with the exchange rate is ridiculous.
>>339649851
Witcher 3. Good luck I get ~75fps at 1080p with an i7k skylake and oc 980 ti with max settings.
>>339637368
nigger are you using a from software game as a benchmark?
>>339647292
Holy fuck how retarded are you?
480 =/= 480
True AMD disappointed revealing a subpar card that is not competing with Nvidia head on.
But the issue here is nvidia's credibility , im sure you people are aware of the gimping fiasco that happened with the 7xx series so nvidia could push forward their 9xx series.
Or the over tesselation in Crysis 2
Or the AA blocking on AMD cards in Batman Arkham Asylum
i currently own a 660.. and im close to an upgrade. i doubt ill support those dirty jews at Nvidia
>>339650026
>implying Xen will be within 30 percent ipc of skylake.
>>339628749
Hue Hue
>>339618068
>>339649749
Pic related is the actual configuration used by AMD.
dual 480 beats 1080 at identical settings
Same as dual 390x
Reminder
>>339646013
>the amd rx490x will exist and completely stomp the gtx1080
>the amd rx480 is just the calm before the storm
>>339650623
>dual 480 beats 1080 at identical settings
see
>>339637493
>>339639426
>>339640286
>>339640819
>falling for the multi gpu meme
Don't do this. Just get the strongest single GPU solution you can afford and save yourself the headache. The constant frame drops and micro stutters, the console ports that don't even support crossfire or SLI, the heat and noise. I am speaking from experience.
Save your allowance or autism bux and just get a single strong card.
>>339647236
computer is literally sitting in idle with no applications running
>>339650623
****on this one single dx12 amd optimized game.
>>339650715
>>339650808
got told by clockwork
>>339650450
As Raja himself explained. The high-end market is too small.
Most of the market is in mid-end and Polaris 10 beats the GTX 1070 clean.
Vega 10 is the competitor against the 1080. It's a few months away.
>>339650546
So I am doing better than average for my setup and no card out now will do 1440 @ 60 fps with max settings? Im not sure what your point is.
>>339651041
No particular point, just showing off some factual data
The specs:
Intel Core i7-5960X (o/c 4 GHz);
16 GB DDR4 G.Skill Ripjaws4 F4-2800C16Q-16GRK 2800
SSD/HDD
ASRock Fatal1ty X99X Killer
>>339650623
>Hardware Configuration
>Different processors
>AMD is using the objectively newer CPU
Still feels cooked bro.
>>339621264
Look @ how he rubs his hands.
That has to be on purpose.
RIP NVIDIA
>>339651221
Im so glad i went with skylake instead of falling for the six core meme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak01X8-mVlA
ez pz
beautiful
Why do you people care so much about two corporations that would literally not bat an eye over the idea of bending you over and raping you and taking your wallet?
>tfw you're technologically illiterate and have no idea what 90% of this thread means
>>339651954
I was just about to say, I'm not sure why there has to be dedicated fanboys for one side or the other. I've been looking at the options and I think a 1070 would be the best thing right now, that doesn't preclude me from purchasing AMD in the future.
>>339652094
what is your current PC set up?
>>339652210
also, why is Metro Last Light so fucking intensive? didn't that come out a few years ago?
>>339652210
This, honestly. I'm looking at both the 480 and the 1070 for a new build.
>>339652278
Dunno senpai how do I find out?
>>339652438
Download speccy and post a screenshot of it. Although, by the sound of it you're on a prebuilt or a laptop.
>>339652438
>Dunno senpai how do I find out?
ur kinda cute
Get http://www.aida64.com/downloads
or betetr: http://www.hwinfo.com/download.php
and print-screen summary results
>>339652337
insane texture and shadow res
and SSAA for AA
Is g-sync/freesync a meme or is it actually worth having? I'm looking at 1440p monitors.
>>339651954
I don't really care for each company, but AMD dying and giving intel/nividia monopoly would be terrible
>>339652821
Yes, it is pretty good technology if you have a buck to spare
>>339615767
Wasn't this chart comparing the power of 2 of the 490s to 1 1080?
Wouldn't you need 4 490s on crossfire in order to get close to 2 1080s?
>>339652831
You'll have a post rationalizing why a company having a monopoly and being able to price control the market is nothing to worry about in a minute or two.
>>339652998
Well, it's not really a full-on toaster. Is it prebuilt?
>>339652821
Its got slightly better performance/less input lag than vsync by a handfull of frames. Good if you cant hit 144 and stay there.
>>339652821
you can see virtually no tearing on a 144Hz monitor anyway. g-sync/freesync are placebos
>people are proud of paying for 500-700 cards
I'm buying a 1080 reluctantly. Fuck Nvidia for being jewish, fuck AMD for having shit drivers.
To make things worse, 1080 is actually a shitty DX12 card which only gets by from the sheer amount of power it throws at it. But consoles are holding everything back again so whatever.
>>339653127
If I decide I don't want to deal with the input lag assuming there is any can I just disable it or is it always on?
>>339653181
>proud
Nobody is proud. 500 is a hetty price, but you aren't getting some cheap amd knock off for it either.
Altho I will settle with 1070 for now.
>>339653137
I get occasional tearing on Ggxrd with a 144fps monitor and vsyc turned off. Not sure if that will apply to other titles that are not locked at 60 fps.
>>339653127
it has zero input lag whatsoever
literally fell for input lag meme
only Source engine games had this weird bug and there is an easy workaround
Can anyone who's gone from 60fps to 144 tell me if the change is worthwhile? I'm used to sub 60 on my shittop so I think steady 60fps would be enough for me, I don't want to miss out on something significant though.
>>339653137
>you can see virtually no tearing on a 144Hz monitor anyway. g-sync/freesync are placebos
I don't think you understand what causes tearing and how to avoid it
it does not matter if your display is 60 or 999Hz
>>339653287
Sorry if that was not clear, freesync/gsync have less input lag then v-sync.
>>339653596
It was clear, I just thought that there might still be some, enough to be bothersome.
>>339653543
if you don't understand or can see or WANT the difference there is literally no reason for you to bother
Trust me.
>>339653543
According to the US military, any doubling of FPS is noticable, and they tried up to several thousand hz
>>339615767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPzBh_sufKU
>>339653750
>>339653886
Okay, I'll probably be fine with 60hz then. However, I also have the issue of TN vs IPS. The main thing I see about TN is that it's good for competitive FPS players, but I fucking suck at those anyway so would IPS be fine?
I'm going to buy a 1070 and theres nothing AMD fanboys can do about it.
>>339653707
Iirc its not even a frames worth, like 10msec or so. If thats a problem for you you should stick with CRTs.
>>339653543
Its a big step up, not as dramatic as 30 to 60 but its very noticable.
>>339653886
According to the US military the F-35 was a good investment
>>339654069
TN usually have terrible colour reproduction, IPS have good colour but most have bad latency. Find a good one and either way its fine.
>>339654069
Anon, I think you are on some meme knowledge here.
TN and IPS is a matrix type and theey have nothing to do with competitive gaming.
Higher refresh rate does.
Difference between TN and IPS is usually visual and color quality. IPS has better colors, no gamma shift and betetr viewing angles. It is usually that type of matrix that is used in pro-display for photo-editing.
However, it is also usually slower than cheap TN+FILM. That's why first models of gaming display were TN+FILM based.
However, nowadays you can find 144HZ IPS based solution (althro "true" 180hz and 244HZ are still TN+FILM only. Yet).
if you aren't competitive gamer you can save on refresh rate and buy a decent 60HZ IPS model.
I personally use Dell P2414 and happy, since it can be overcloked to 80HZ, has good IPs matrix and decent response time.
But I bought it in early 2015. Right now there could be better candidate.
>>339654450
And who are you to say that is isn't?
>>339654464
>>339654501
I found this monitor that seems to suit my needs but it's fucking expensive so I'll probably be saving for a while. Thanks for the help.
>crossfire
enjoy only using one card for a month until a driver update xD
>>339654702
>unironic xD
these platform wars are getting way out of hand
>>339654629
>filename
Fuck off
>>339654629
you might wanna read [H]ardForum thread about Acer Predator before purchasing it
stepstones, etc.
>>339654770
it's true though
it takes them like a month after a new game's release before they can work out all of the crossfire bugs
>>339654789
...what?
>>339654792
sounds good
>>339654789
I set my sharex to name things a random string of numbers so I'm not immediately recognizable every time I use it for something
>>339654564
Cousin is in the Navy
He has to remove the entire skin of the F35B every 5 STOVL's, so he can check the structure for stress cracks.
>>339654789
Oh I realized
>>339654951
>>339654629
fuck off
>>339654968
So is he a wrenchmonkey or an engineer?
>>339655202
shit, I've been foiled again
Mr. Shekelberg will be on my ass for this. -0.01 rubles from my account.
No wonder AMD has shitty drivers.its because their CEO is an asian woman
>>339655731
lol
>>339635741
Sure maybe on dx11 games. Dx12 though on new games will supportt it flawlessly
>>339652821
It's pretty much a meme.
If you can't get 60 fps, you shouldn't be spending obscene amounts of money on a monitor. Money is better spent on a better GPU, or even better, a 144hz monitor and a GPU can that push it.
However, when they become the standard on monitors and the price drops, it'll just be a nice thing to have to potentially extend the life of your hardware if you're fine with low frame rates.
>>339653543
It's definitely worthwhile if you play anything in first person.
The worst time for me was when my CRT finally died in 2007 and I was forced to buy a shitty LCD with 60hz. My god the input lag and latency were unbearable. I'll never go back to 60hz as long as I live.
I want to upgrade from my PowerColor HD7870 2gb soon.
Are prices down for cards that are noticeably better now? I got this card almost 3 years ago and it's honestly one of the best and most trusted thing card I've had. I keep it clean and it almost always performs better than what I expect it to even for today's vidya.
I don't care what graphics card the company is from I just want it to be at a reasonable price and be reliable.
