>Destiny comes out, lacking in several aspects of the PvE, PvP and balance departments. In general making it a bad value proposition
>critics and players have a field day hating on it
>Star Wars Battlefront comes out, lacking any kind of meaningful singleplayer, depth and in general just very little content for a full-priced title
>critics and players have a field day hating on it
>Overwatch comes out
>has exactly the same problems as these two games (in fact it has even less content than SW:Battlefront in terms of maps, gametypes and singleplayer availability)
>gets a pass by critics and players
How come Overwatch isn't judged by the same standards? It's not a F2P game yet people treat it as such.
>>339588014
All of those games sold like crazy so it hardly matters.
Blizzard is just another Bioware. Critics will forever fellate their games whether deserving or not.
>There's only eight Overwatch threads better make a new one
Why do you insist on ruining this board?
I don't fucking know, I asked my friend when Overwatch came out...he's a fucking blizzdrone who got triggered
>>339588014
Because it's Blizzard, anon. Stockholm Syndrome.
Mix of waifu circle jerking and it's direct competition's failure.
>>339588014
Because it'sfun
>>339588314
But Star Wars Battlefront provides exactly the same kind of fun (mindless shoot em up with no flavour for a few hours until you get bored) yet it was hated for it.
>>339588014
Can't say anything about destiny since I've never played it, but battlefront bored me within minutes. Overwatch at least has a bunch of classes that play differently allowing you to mix up the gameplay.
Having only 2 game modes at release is pretty bullshit though.
>>339588395
Have you played both games? Battlefront is horrible, dumbed down, console-friendly and pretty much dead by now. People hated it because it's fucking Battlefront, it was expected to be as good as Battlefront 2, which is legendary.
Also, content locked behind paywall on day one
>>339588540
I've played both games yes, I find Battlefront to keep me more invested due to its progression system (albeit inexcusably small) than Overwatch. It has both long and short games, a -lot- more gametypes available and doesn't adhere to a fixed playersize for all of them.
Basically it offers a lot more flexibility and doesn't get old after a few games since you can jump to another gamemode. This isn't me saying it lived up to the name or that its a great game. I'm just saying it does some things a lot better than Overwatch, yet the later was given a complete pass by most critics who gives it 9 and 10/10. Seems very biased to me.
>>339588540
>dumbed down, console-friendly
That all applies to Overwatch.
>>339588720
hey breh should i buy the season pass? i know it's shit but i kinda want to use the shit in the expansion
Overwatch has lots of characters, abilities, and teamwork based gameplay. Battlefront and destiny don't really
>>339588720
O I don't know. Maybe because the later isn't a fuckin sequel to a series that has provided way more fuckin content out the box then battlefront has provided in its vanilla + season pass? You can forgive overwatch for its short comings because it's the first game in its series and is blizzards first try at a fps. You can't forgive dice for giving us less content while locking 90% of it behind a pay wall that surpassed the price of the full game. It's the same problem with destiny. Both games locked content via pay walls thus leaving a sour taste in people's mouths. Ideally , if they had opted into the idea of free content then both would've been better received . But that wasn't the case so both got shit for it
>>339589737
lmao destiny has guns and requires skill, in overwatch you need only to pick 2 heroes and you win the game
>>339590049
>Destiny
>Skill
Yea alright bud
>>339590049
Overwatch has 21 heroes
Destiny has 5 guns
Blizzard's name still holds weight for some reason. It's literally the only reason anyone gives even two shits about this game.
If Overwatch was made by anyone else, it would be a footnote of a footnote release and have a cult playerbase of like 1000. But because it's Blizzard, people go apeshit for it.
>>339589978
>you can forgive overwatch for its shortcomings
No, you can't. Fuck off you retarded drone.
I'll just point out, dont know if anyone has before me, that all future Overwatch maps and heroes added will be free, compared to the other two games.
Battlefront has a season pass that costs just as much as the full game.
Destiny backstabbed everyone who bought the first season pass, released The Taken King with all DLC + the base game for the same price as the normal game.
Overwatch has replayability due to the mix of the heroes and abilities instead the: so this gun is the best I have so far and I shoot people with it.
>>339590489
Are we now reviewing games on the basis of how we think they will be in several years time? No? Then stop making this shitty argument.
>>339590903
What? Don't tell me that you're pro-DLC.
People were making a big deal out of the two things i mentioned. Dont pretend otherwise.
>>339590489
What about sf5?
It has schedule of steady new free contebt added with actual storymode coming soon yet it got 7/10 ratings for lacking content
I swear if ow was also a sequel of a game with more content people would only then realise how barebones this game is.
>>339591240
Because that's things you expect from a Fighting game. You dont expect Singleplayer in Counter-Strike, now do you?
Both OW and CS are their own style of competitive shooters.
>>339591221
Your argument doesn't fucking work. By the time Overwatch has had all these "FREE HEROES AND MAPS XD" updates the other games will have had just as many, and the game will have seen a price reduction which means you can pick it up much cheaper than OW and get more for the pricetag.
>>339591383
Destiny and Battlefront never gives out free content last time i checked. Else they wouldn't advertise their new and shine $60 season pass.
Also, Blizz does plenty of price reduction and sales. For example, you could pick up WoW a week ago for 7 dollars with all ex-packs except Legion.
>>339591349
Except cs doesnt cost 60$
If it did it surely wouldnt get high scores
>>339588014
Comparing Destiny at launch to Overwatch is just stupid. Destiny was marketed as a full MMO experience with free content updates, it also had the Bungie name on it, you just knew the campaign would be good! And then it wasn't. There was a lot of stuff Bungie said that turned out to be lies, a lot of cut content, and a lot of laziness in the designs, not to mention the campaign had to be remade since Joseph Staten left mid development. With Overwatch, you knew exactly what you were getting.
>>339591574
Of course, it's the Valve way of running things. Their games are always dirt cheap.
all future dlc will be free, nothing announced about what exactly is coming, maps, heroes, modes. inb4 the gold received in lootboxes is used to purchase that "free content"
>>339591574
Also, Overwatch is $40 on the Battle.net page.
>>339588091
i'd trace her ass if u kno wat m sayn
>>339591535
>you could pick up a subscription based game cheap
Wow its fucking nothing. Way to also completely miss the point. But you are also a braindead blizzdrone so it makes sense.
>>339590489
I own OW (friend bought me it) but my response would be
>What additional content?
They don't have to release anything, it could be lazy stuff, we don't know at this point.
>>339591771
DELETE THIS
>>339591601
>With Overwatch, you knew exactly what you were getting
So as long as you make sure people know what they're getting you can make shitty and overpriced titles? Good to know.
Because of PCfats starving for games and blizzcucks that eat up anything.
The game will not survive a year.
>>339591890
The answer is yes, of course.
>>339591601
So you are saying that ow deserves its nearly perfect score JUST because we didnt had high expectations for that?
Thats not how rating works. You still only have to take into consideration the final prodilucts and their pricing
>>339588014
>people expected and wanted singleplayer content in OW
Who wanted that? And for what reason?
>>339588014
because it's not trying to be those games
it's not an rpg centered around pve and loot drops
it's not a game with a story mode, vehicles, a 30+ year old well loved setting and 50 dollars in dlc
it's a multilayer shooter more akin to old quake mods where players meaninglessly shoot at each other. It never pretended the gameplay was anything more than that unlike those other games you mentioned
>>339591771
They sell the game for 60$ for half of their playerbase. Your argument might be valid if the game wouldnt get nearly perfect scores even on consoles for their pricing, but this shows that reviewers are just fucking biased.
>>339592063
Splatoon's single player was great, but the mechanics lend more towards single player in general though.
It's also funny that Splatoon had more content than OW and got shit on harder but I mean let's face facts Nintendo vs. Activision-Blizz when it comes to "professional" reviewers.
>>339591803
It was an example, doo-doo head.
I'm just a person who likes to pay my hard-earned money on a quality product with future content hat i know will be free.
I hate having to purchase the 'same' game twice to get all the content, but no extra copy to use.
Listen to yourself, if we're going to drone-mark each other, then you're an Activision and EA drone. Way to stamp yourself.
>>339592157
I'm not the one desperate to justify an extremely poor release with the notion that you MIGHT get more good content in the future. Reviews aren't based on the state of the game in 2 years time. Which is what this thread is all about. Since you had no way to defend that you decided to make it about something else just so your new favorite toy wouldn't recieve bad press. This is known as fanboyism.
>>339588014
To a certain degree, people are beginning to accept this as the status quo.
>>339592081
It doesnt matter what the game is trying to pretend itself. You are paying a price for an amount of contnent and quality and the game should be reviewed by those standards.
If that was a valid argument people wouldnt shat all over sf5 for only having the core fighting gameplay
>>339592081
Another one who misses the point (most likely on purpose) to have a way to defend the game.
>>339588014
Destiny and BF arent' team based shooters though. Overwatch is different, sorta
>>339591871
They have new characters and maps planned and said that they'll all be free content updates. Compare that to Battlefront which was $110 on launch for all the content, and still doesn't compare to what the previous two games in the series had
>>339592359
what point?
it's tf2 2.0
>>339591915
It won't survive when Battlefield comes, lets be real, everyone is going to play Battlefield, at least a chunk will play final fantasy before it too.
>>339592134
>it must have singleplayer to be a good game
Lets face it. its an casual, have fun alone or with friends game, basicly a "fun game". But in todays game world if you are making a shooter (fps) it has to be competetive, in it to win it. Anything else is a tf2 clone
>conveniently hiding behind the fact that Overwatch has no predecessors to justify its lack of content
>>339592489
>it must have singleplayer to be a good game
Didn't say that.
Overwatch isn't a full-priced title.
>>339592331
The game is high quality. It's one of the most polished, bug-free games I've seen at launch in a long time.
shit's fun yo
>>339592262
And yet, when Battlefront was being released, and when Destiny was being released, it was critiqued for it's horrendous Season Pass.
People care about the support their product gets from day one, if you don't, you're a retard.
Also, another thing about Battlefront that i remember very clearly, is that alot of people were upset that the full version had just a little bit more content than the Beta.
Atleast with the Overwatch beta, you knew exactly what you got yourself into.
Also, if it's not about how the game is in the future, then why are you comparing games that has gotten PAID content updates to Overwatch?
I never saw you compare launch-day Battlefront to launch-day Overwatch.
But hey, someone has to defend EA for them.
>>339592516
Quoting the interwebs
>>339592386
I'm not trying to argue Battlefront is good in any way. I'm just saying they could have no additional significant content.
>OW
>A Multiplayer only TF2 clone
>$40 with free content in the future
>Destiny
>An FPSMMO, nah just kidding it's Borderlands with half the content despite the 500 million dollar budget
>Full price + Season Pass + New DLC that doesn't come with Season Pass
>Battlefront
>Battlefront 2 with better graphics, nah just kidding it's a dumbed down Battlefield 4 with a Star Wars skin & no campaign/galatic conquest/space battles/no clone wars
>Full price + Season Pass more expensive than fucking Overwatch
>>339592489
No you fucking retard, stop being intellectually dishonest and look at what is being said here. Giving a game a 10/10 (Aka this game is fucking perfect) when it has no singleplayer to speak of, very barebones multiplayer (which is the only type of gameplay you get) is plain fucking stupid.
The game isn't being judged to the same standards as other full-priced shooters when it ought to be.
>>339592576
I did in the OP you mongoloid, maybe you should learn how to read.
>>339592539
it is on consoles, and given how whiny OP is he's probably a consolebabby
>>339592582
Well anyway, my point is that Splatoon had more content but was rated more harshly. More content does equal a better game unless the content is shitty which it wasn't.
I can't take reviewers seriously anyway but this just provides more direct examples of why.
>>339588014
people were pissed about Destiny and Battlefront mostly because they had an idea of how the games were going to be, then they came out and people realized they were stripped down garbage.
For Overwatch, everybody knew from the get go that it was going to basically be a TF2 clone, and it delivered on that, so there was nothing to be disillusioned about when it came out. Stop trying to draw false comparisons.
>>339592643
>its okay because it has free content in the future guys
Top cuck
>>339588014
Because you don't have to like or know Star Wars to like the game.
Because it doesn't only aim for mature teenagers with a wicked sense of humor.
>>339592651
Except you didn't.
w-what happened, bros?
>>339592768
Except I did, but as you're demonstrating you can't read for shit. Just gtfo you blizzdrone.
>>339592850
You're not willing to prove it, so i have no reason to believe it. :)
>>339592576
>Also, another thing about Battlefront that i remember very clearly, is that alot of people were upset that the full version had just a little bit more content than the Beta.
>Atleast with the Overwatch beta, you knew exactly what you got yourself into.
So Overwatch beta is the ENTIRE full game and this is a good thing, but Battlefront's full release adds more content over the beta and this is a bad thing?
Isn't that backwards? Aren't those the same exact double standards OP is talking about
>people get tired of overwatch threads
>shill falseflag and make "overwatch hate" and "battleborn" threads where all they talk about is overwatch anyways
>there's like 8 of these fucking threads up at any time
>>339592885
>look at how retarded I am
Cute. Does your parents know you're using the family computer to embarass yourself?
>>339592887
Because, people liked it because they were fully honest, it was essentially a demo and if people liked it, they bought it. It was super popular.
Battlefront however? Even the fucking beta screen had an advertisement for their season pass, and when the full game came out, they got barely anything more than the measly little beta content there already was.
>>339592754
>I want to be charged double for future content
literal cuck
>>339592964
>he doesn't buy games years after release when they're $30 and has all the content
No, you're still the cuck.
>>339592939
Nope. Wanna watch My Little Pony together?
I'm sure you'd really like it.
Battlefront was so jewish on the fact it didn't tell you what the season pass had at all, they knew people brought it thinking it would have Clone Wars & Force Awakens content
I feel so sorry for them
>>339592915If they keep it up long enough they'll start crying about how Overwatch is being "spammed" and demand it get a containment board.
>>339593019
>he doesn't buy games years after release when they're $30 and has all the content and about 1/10th of the playerbase
mega cuck
>>339588720
Lolno
>>339588014
because the league of legends fanbase is migrating to overwatch
because tumblr made it its new league of legends when it comes to fan drawings
because its easy as shit
>>339591729
I could see Blizzard doing this.
Either purchase with gold or get lucky and get it with a lootbox.
>>339593019
You can't get Destiny + all content for $30, and it's been more than a year.
>>339592572
I'm having the time of my life with it. It's too bad people in this thread can't just be happy with their own games. Is this what people call Autism?
>>339593110
Not like it matters in Overwatch case since all you need is 12 people in the whole playerbase to find a game ;)
>Blizzard is as bad as EA
Go fuck yourself /v/
>>339588014
Waifus. It's brilliant, really.
>>339591729
Yeah exactly, that is the type of shit Actiblizz would do.
>>339593173
But what if there are 13 people playing?
>>339593180
Who are you quoting?
>>339592081
Tell that to Titanfall
>>339593019
>Waiting a year for a 10$ discount
Fuck I'm a poorfag and even to me that sounds cheap.
>>339593180
Activision is NEARLY as bad as EA and they are merged with Blizzard, corrupting them to their very core.
-Directed by C. Metzen
>>339593250
Then one can spectate the game and enjoy the quality gameplay footage until someone leaves
>>339588395
Overwatch has more depth through teamplay
>>339588014
>destiny comes out
60$ and a 30$ season pass
>Battlefront comes out
60$ and a 30$ season pass
>overwatch comes out
60$, or only 40$ depending
So why are we holding them to different standards again?
Star Wars has a history of having single player in their games. Also MANY people who bought it didn't know it was multiplayer only. Also it was super bare. It was a normie magnet and most a lot of them have cold feet when it comes to online competitive play.
Destiny at launch was a mixed bag. The PvE was there but limited. The PvP wasn't really fleshed out or balanced either. There was something missing from both the storytelling and the gameplay. It's a great game now.
Overwatch has 21 characters that all play differently. Its not unbalanced beyond belief, and I daresay its fine as is (minor buffs to maaaaybe 2 characters). No one bought it thinking that it was a single player game. Tons of unlocks that are purely cosmetic, meaning that there is no real grind like Destiny. You have all weapons and abilities unlocked from the start.
It's a formula that is the opposite of all standard fps games that promote grinding for better weapons for a competitive edge. Couple that with characters that have character, teamwork as the focus, and pretty good map design and you have a recipe for a fun game.
>>339593350
But less depth with only a single teamsize, less gamemodes and maps.
>>339590489
This is a big one for me, OW is 40€, BF is 60€ and another 60€ in day 1 season pass
I'd have gotten BF if it was 40€ period
>>339593403
The former two are shit. That doesn't mean Overwatch is a great deal because it's mildly less shitty. $40 is a high ask for the limited amount of modes.
>>339593403
BF's season pass was $50
>>339593417
Yeah but it turns out that games with heavy focus on teamplay have a lot of replayability as long as they have a good character roster
See dotoclones, one single map that has been played with little variation for over a decade
>>339588014
>destiny and battlefront were based on previous franchises
>advertised as eternally played, foundation games
>actually shallow as fuck
>full priced with dlcs and season pass bull shit
>overwatch is a completely new setting
>advertised as a goofy, shallow team shooter
>actually is a goofy, shallow team shooter
>almost half the price of a new game
I can see where people don't enjoy Overwatch, but it really didn't pull wool over anyone's eyes. Not really getting the hit piece out for it on /v/. I like being contrarian as fuck too, and Blizzard has eternally rubbed me wrong with what happened to WoW, but I'm not going to bash my head against a wall about it.
>>339591915
>This game will not survive a year.
If you seriously believe this game will be dead in a year you're seriously deluded. It's going to be around for a very long time.
>>339593403
>reviews are now based on what you think a game will look like in several years time after all their content updates as opposed to at release
Only when its a Blizzard game though.
>>339588014
difference is overwatch never claimed to have a 10+ hour 'cinematic' experience story.
>>339588720
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe people don't like the progression system? That maybe they want to be able to pay for a game and have access to all of the gameplay?
What sounds better, a $40 game that lets you play however you want right out of the box, or a $60 game with some gameplay content locked behind a $50 paywall, and other gameplay content locked behind a 50 hour timewall?
haha us gamers, huh?
>>339593498
fucking wow.
>>339593532
Dotaclones are also F2P or very cheap games.
>>339588014
Destiny = 60 dollars = paid DLC
Star Wars Battlefront = 60 dollars + paid DLC
Overwatch = 40 dollars
>>339592463
They're completely different games that scratch a different itch. I'll be playing both.
>>339593403
Because Destiny had more content than Overwatch and Battlelel combined at launch.
>>339588014
Destiny and SWB are generic shooters where every encounter is the same shoot'em'up.
In OW, encounters are wildly different and terrain matters much more. Facing a lucio with a pitfall nearby forces you to make certain maneuvers in order not to fall - unless you're Roadhog and feel evil enough to drag him down with you. Or a tracer and want to trick him into thinking that you fell. These kinds of things just don't happen in generic shooters.
>all the blizzcucks on /v/
Are they shills or just deluded fans? I'm having trouble seeing the difference these days.
>>339593567
battlefield will take 60% of the playerbase easy
>>339588014
Overwatch is $40 at launch with totally free content patches being added later on, consisting of new heroes, maps, and probably game modes.
Battlefront was $60 at launch, and you were expected to fork over another $60 to get all the DLC (cut content) coming out this "season".
>>339591729
They only say heroes will be free. There will be paid expansions like every Blizzard game. Probably with a PvE system
>>339593823
$40 on PC*. Don't lie anon :)
>>339593679
Back before League of Legends, dotaclones were either mods or buy2play
>>339593610
>reviews
arent they those weird subjective things?
>>339588014
You also forgot to add SFV that was shit on by critics on release because the absence of muh arcade mode
Also I can guarantee Acti-Blizz is way fucking deep in every reviewers wallet. I'd be curious to learn how much money went to just shilling this game
>>339593890
They're also the topic of the thread.
>>339593773
Consolefags will abandon this game in a month
But PCfags tend to stick around for certain games, especially Blizzard ones
Guys
GUYS
What ifOverwatch is a $20 game with a $20 stealth season pass for those "free" future heroes and gamemodes?
It's because overwatch is just better. In every sense. The shooting controls are incredibly tight, the characters are all very well balanced and fun, while being unique and allowing for many styles of play. There isn't any pointless grinding to unlock cool abilities or anything like that.
You shouldn't compare it to destiny or swbf because it's not an rpgfps and it's not just a straight fps/vehicle fps. It's a moba mixed with an FPS, and it works incredibly well.
It's like how Blizzard wasn't even close to the first team to make an mmo, but when they finally arrived they completely changed the landscape.
>>339593823
>totally free content patches being added later on
>suspiciously not mentioning when the patches will be released, what's in them and how many we will get
Classic Blizzard
>>339594054
>it's a moba
no its not
>>339588014
>How come Overwatch isn't judged by the same standards?
it came on PC, you don't need 500$ in a brick (+ online) to be able to play a FPS with a pad
>>339594054
>30 Blizz-Bucks™ have been deposited into your account.
>>339594031
Eh.
If they do come out and say that later it'd be okay I guess. Would they then start selling the 20 dollar version of it though?
>>339594193
So did SW:BF
>>339594054
>It's a moba mixed with an FPS
no, it's a class-based shooter
All it has in common with dotoclones is skills on q and e
>>339588014
Overwatch didn't make promises it couldn't keep, it's exactly what was promised, a basic FPS with abilities as a gimmick.
Destiny tried to be too many things while the gunplay was worse than Borderlands, All the enemies just had a lot of health; there was no good AI like in the Halo games where Elites would roll out of the way or Grunts would throw grenades back. Battlefront had a $50 season pass and gameplay that was too different from the original Battlefront series which people expected. The power-ups system was retarded.
Overwatch is a typical Blizzard game. Basic gameplay with a few gimmicks with added polish. It isn't like this hasn't worked out for all their other games like Starcraft, which was basic RTS with really good core gameplay. There wasn't any major gimmicks like unit happiness or food or anything. It was all action and strategy.
>>339594117
>$50 content patches being added later on
>suspiciously not mentioning when the patches will be released, what's in them and how many we will get
Still better than the other games OP brought up.
>three whites and a blue
EVERY FUCKING LOOTBOX
>>339594213
Time to buy crates
>>339594229
another battlefield, we all wanted that right?
>>339593318
>6v6 with bots
Titanfall shot itself in the foot. Also didn't help that they picked xb1 instead of PS4 to go "exclusive" to.
>>339594054
>The shooting controls are designed for consoles
ftfy
>>339593875
>playing games on consoles
dem blizzard reviews, 93 across the board, ty angry joe for giving it a 7, shoulda been a fucking 6 though
>>339593704
Destiny 60 + paid DLC
SW Battlefront 60 + paid DLC
Overwatch 40/60 + Micro Transactions on random loot boxes.
All just as costly. All just as bad. Maybe OW is worse because shop is already in place to charge even more for Unique items.
>>339594382
>battlefield
stop comparing it to battlefield, they're not even close, it's a CoD clone if anything
>>339594470
>Micro Transactions on random loot boxes.
Do people even consider this when thinking about buying it? It's all cosmetic shit with 0 affects on gameplay mechanics, which you can get through normal gameplay, and it's all RNG either way. Are people so weak willed as to fall for this shit that they shy away from it?
>>339594491
>cod clone with vehicles
This is EXACTLY what Battlefield has been since the series' inception.
>>339594618
They think it's okay because their neighbour's nephew used all his weekly allowance to buy a few boxes.
>>339594470
and you can probably get the base Destiny game for under 10 dollars now and Battlefront for under 30
>>339594618
>which you can get through normal gameplay
This statement triggers me more than it should because of how fucking dishonest it is. No one is going to be playing long enough to unlock all the content for free.
>>339594680
no anon, just no.
>>339594618
>implying adding more cosmetics will not overtake working on balance
This is what happened to SWTOR
New skins every so often, Guardian is still completely broken.
>>339588014
>How come Overwatch isn't judged by the same standards?
Hordes of Blizzdrones.
Why do people get mad when I say "Nice Q pressing" after each PoTg ? I'm just celebrating their skill
>>339588014
two of those game doesnt have waifu bait
>>339594760
and no one is going to be crazy enough to buy so many RNG boxes that they get all the content they want.
because overwatch is tf2 with waifus and tf2 is a fun game.
>>339594893
So then you're not really getting all the content for the price of the game, are you?
>>339588014
To make you mad, son, and you fell for it.
Look how many angry nerds keep posting every kind of logical attack they can muster as if that'll keep someone from playing it or Blizzard from investing in it.
You fell for the Overwatch meme, not the players.
>>339594924
TF2 isn't broken as fuck
>>339594618
>cucks in the year twenty sixteen still think micro transactions and buying random cosmetics based on RNG just to fucking rip people off is a good thing because you could play 2 million hours and unlock it for """free"""" *
>>339588014
Destiny has always been critically acclaimed, and had a massive player base at launch (still does). Nice try faggot.
>>339594868
Blizzcucks get triggered because they know how little skill is required to play their game but they refuse to acknowledge it
>>339594968
>lost 350k twitch viewers in the first 3 days
>doesn't have anywhere near the 9 MILLION BETA PLAYERS!!!! that was so obnoxiously advertised everywhere
The angry nerds don't really need to keep anyone from playing it. The game will put people off well enough all on its own.
>>339594964
You are. Again, you can get it ALL through playing the game.
And none of it even affects the gameplay in any way so who gives a shit? Who spends $40 on a game to spend $400 more on dress up? Why do you even care about these people?
>>339594974
>heavymedic
>>339595153
>hey guys if you play for several thousand hours you can unlock it all for FREE ;)
This is literally the most intellectually dishonest argument for F2P games ever concieved.
>>339595139
Even you know the logical rebuttal to those meaningless statements anon. If the game will put people off then there should be no problem for anyone, but not for OP & other shitposters on this board who are simply JUST-tier mad.
>>339588014
For the following reason
>Was not promised to some massive game with crazy amounts of content that did not get lived up to, IE Destiny
>Was not just a reskin of BF.
>Was not following up a legendary series, Battle front.
The reason overwatch did so good is for a few reasons.
Yes, blizzard drones helped, but thats not the real reason. Overwatch does not pretend to be something its not. Its a nonsensical shooter with over powered character, gimicks, and silliness.
Blizzard never bit off more then they could chew, they presented the game as is. Did not make any promises, did not make any claims as to being the best, biggest, craziest game.
Blizzard just said, "This is a shooter we made from the scraps of our canceled game, its sillly its fun, and thats about as far as it goes." Games today try to be so much more and end up getting lost, IE destiny, and BF. But games like overwatch who are just simple games, sell well and get great reviews, another example of this is the new DOOM. DOOM is an amazing game because its not trying to be something its not, its a pure run and gun shooter, no deep story, no deep character development, no BS, just here is a gun, go murder deomons as violently as you can.
TL;DR: Overwatch is doing good because its simple, and did not promise anything or what you see is waht you get. So there was no hype for it to live up to.
>>339594924
this
>>339595309
You didn't bother reading the OP then? It's a discussion about biased reviews.
In complete honesty, one of the reasons for overwatch's success has to do with the fact that it is talked about constantly on imageboards and social media sites like facebook, reddit, and tumblr.
In essence, you are the cause.
>>339595294
To add icing to the cake Overmeme isn't even F2P
Blizzard really knows there audience will buy anything they shit out
>>339594054
How exactly is it like a moba?
Moba didn't invent cool down abilities or classes
>>339590112
Bungie shills btfo
>>339595294
And if it had shit like weapons or skills in them, I'd agree with you that it shouldn't be allowed. But literally all that's in the boxes is shit to play dressup with. Shit that you don't even need to spent real money on to get. The game's only been out a week and I already have good cosmetics for the characters I play most.
>>339595347
>>339595494
This doesn't address the OP's point at all, which is about how reviewers decided to ignore issues with the game when they've been complaining about the same issues for other games in similar genres.
By this logic the new DOOM should be a 10/10 because it wasn't trying to be anything more than blood and gore no fucks given shooter. It was also advertised as such. Yet reviewers once again decided to say it was "missing something" or that it didn't have enough content.
>>339595447
Oh i already posted my two cents about that here >>339594968
Reviewers are trolls who draw attention to themselves by making people mad. I bet most people visiting IGN & co from here are visitors who are mad from one of their scores. I bet they read every metacritic review as well.
Biased reviews are the lifeblood of review sites. Fair reviews? Boring. Why do you think Yahtzee is so popular?
>>339588720
>I find Battlefront to keep me more invested due to its progression system
Modern.
Gamers.
I didn't need a progression system to keep me entertained for a million hours of CTF_Face, I didn't need a progression system to keep me entertained for a million hours of any other shooter before progression systems were a thing.
You know what kept us around? The gameplay. Which Overwatch has in spades.
Why do you guys NEED to unlock something? What if the game is just fun
>>339588014
You were 8? That's old enough to beat a woman in a fight. Should have taken that hammer and gone to town on her ass, then told your Mom to thank you for getting rid of a shitty family member.
>>339594031
stealth season pass is better than "you dont technically need it".
>>339594974
Demoman pre nerf might has well been called a Hero Class or something
>>339595153
Can you get that special Widow skin or Tracer skin if you don't buy the collector's edition? Otherwise you aren't getting the full game.
>Find game
>Game found
>Defend Rou- DEFEAT
There really needs to be a "Join game in progress" box to click
>>339595714
Where did I say I NEED a progression system? Which by the way Overwatch still has in the form of cosmetics. My point was there's a lot more variety to be found.
>>339591085
>ninja with abandonment issues
>mad bomber with abandonment issues
>Outdated technology with abandonment issues
>__________ with abandonment issues
Kojima is a hack
>>339588091
First post best post.
>>339595714
There are unlocks so players that join late from buying the game discounted can pay to get all unlocks to even the playing field right away.
See BF3 where you don't even get flares or missiles for the jet without unlocks. It also had unlock pack for 15 dollaridoos or somesuch.
>people talking about price
Looks like upgraded blizzshills know how to steer topic in wrong direction.
Both Destiny and SWB were aimed at "gamers", whatever that means now. Destiny rode on assumption Bungie can do another good FPS (this is information known only to "gamers"); SWB rode on Star Wars fans which will eat everything and on starvation for good SW game.
Overwatch is aimed at "normies" or however you want to call them. It's genre is as "video-game-y" as you can get, but under the hood there are all things which may interest "normie". It's bright and colorful, it has simple and distinguishable characters, it gives many rewards for doing nothing particularly outstanding, and, finally, it doesn't require player to care at all. You don't need to think about your aim much, you don't need to think of limited supply of ammo (it's unlimited, right? I can't remember from beta), you don't need to think of movement. It's game easily "digestable" and aimed exactly at crowd which demands it.
It's not exactly bad, in fact. Such games can keep away people which just want to be hip and with times, but don't want to spend even speck of time to learn anything or involve themselves with something. Sadly, "video games" as a hobby is yet to be separated in many tiers like it happened with movies, books and everything else. Whenever new Overwatch of month comes, every idiot and their dog start howling about Citizen Cane of games and best game ever ever ever in all parallel universes. I can't understand this, why movies can be separated in mass-produced stuff for masses and niche things for the ones invested in movies, but games are to be strictly for one part of population? Why is it taking so long for people to realize this?
>>339592081
Comparing overwatch to Quake is overly generous.
>>339595875
>There are unlocks
there shouldn't need to be any
at all
>>339595964
>you don't need to think of limited supply of ammo (it's unlimited, right? I can't remember from beta)
You are worse than normies.
>>339594760
>No one is going to be playing long enough to unlock all the content for free.
Say what? There were people who nearly did exactly that in the closed beta phases. You know, the ones that lasted two to three months.
Everything that isn't the legendary skins can be binged purchase with ingame currency which you get a hefty amount of. It's not hard to get almost every skin you could ever want within the first 100 levels which is maybe 90 hours or so.
This isn't league, my man. Leveling is fast and you get plenty of shit from it.
Destiny is primarily a PvE game, so yeah, lacking in PvE content is going to count against it.
Battlefront was a sequel, so naturally it's going to be compared to its predecessors, which did have proper single-player as well as more features in its multiplayer.
Overwatch is a new IP, and the closest game to it is TF2, which also didn't have single-player and generally launched with roughly the same amount of content. More generally speaking, Blizzard has always been a PC-focused developer (Overwatch wasn't even confirmed for consoles until a year after reveal) and PC games being multiplayer-only is a much more common thing relative to consoles (see also: Quake 3, Unreal Tournament, pretty much every MOBA under the sun)
There's also the fact that Overwatch has already confirmed that post-launch maps/characters will be free, whereas Destiny and Battlefront demand more money if you want more content. And the fact that it's Blizzard also has a bit to do with it, I'll admit.
>>339588014
Battlefront was fucking terrible. From a gameplay standpoint it was more shallow in almost every regard. It wasn't interesting, it wasn't unique, and most of all it just wasn't fun.
Destiny actually turned out pretty well after Taken King.
>>339595996
It was the reasoning behind unlocks other than to simulate a skinnerbox for ADHD players. It brings in the money from some people who join late by buying the game at a discount. The unlock package fills the gap left by the discount.
>>339595689
No it does.
reviews over look those issues, because blizzard never made the claims of them being amazing like that.
From day one blizzard was very transparent about the game, and said this is what it is no more no less, so reviewers were not expecting anymore then they got.
In the case of BF, reviewers had no idea what they were gonna get, and so they got a fullprice game that only had multi player.
Overwatch was always, hey, this is a simple multiplayer shooter, judge it for that.
>>339588014
40 Dollars
That's most likely the only reason.
>>339596137
This once again doesn't address the fact that reviewers didn't extend the same standards to DOOM yet the game was advertised and played as nothing more than what it was meant to be. You don't have an argument if you can't explain this.
>>339596098
>Leveling is fast
For the first 20 levels maybe
>you get plenty of shit from it
Completely RNG based and you're more likely to get shitty duplicates than getting anything cool.
Blizzard obviously designed it so you would be incentiviced to use microtransactions later on instead of mindlessly farming for a skin you didn't get.
>>339595971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTMnJ5XJH6Q
Blizzard did it.
>>339596225
Honestly i cant speak for that because every thing i have read about the new DOOM as been, best reboot in a long time.
The only knock i find against doom is the multiplayer sucks, and thats because it was outsourced. Every other review has said DOOM is an amazing first person shoot for the single campaign.
Do you have a link to the reviews saying its missing something? Cus honestly all i have seen are 10/10s (or relatively close) for the game.
>>339595875
Guy you quoted here.
You're not arguing against my point. I didn't ask "why are there unlocks" I was just questioning why modern gamers would rather play something that has a progression system vs a core game that is deep/fun enough to sustain itself without the fluff
the difference is simply this
Overwatch "feels" different
Destiny and Battlefront play and look very much like most fps that have come out in recent years
Overwatch, by contrast, is very colorful, has charming characters (even if they're cliched and disney-esque), and the skill system each individual hero has makes people feel like they're doing something more than pointing their gun and occasionally throwing a grenade
>>339588014
Overwatch knows how to market, just look at the front page.
>>339588014
i wish overwatch had a single player mode
>>339596356
No, because none of the loot items fucking matter as they do nothing in the game other then stroke epeen, and 9/10 times the original skins look better, and they dont even matter because your enemy will always see you as a red version of your skin to indicate you are an enemy
>>339594468
>caring about what a mad mexicunt has to say
>>339596405
that's weird. I was playing OW and felt like it was more old school than anything I've played in a bit despite feeling so fresh.
Nice to know they set out with that intention
>>339596356
>For the first 20 levels maybe
It caps at level 22.
Every level 22-100 takes the same amount of XP, and then at 101 it resets
>>339596460
IGN gave it a score of 71 and complained about how you had to circle strafe most of the time to kill enemies (even though that's part of the essence of DOOM). Just an example.
>>339594468
He can only give 7 as per the amount of dollars he will eternally have.
>>339596356
>Blizzard obviously designed it so you would be incentiviced to use microtransactions later on instead of mindlessly farming for a skin you didn't get.
If you have so little self control as to feel the need to spend money on cosmetics, then you deserve to get ripped off.
Good job, Blizzard. You finally did something right.
>>339593646
I'll say!
Hey, shouldn't we be playing video games instead of bitching about games we don't play? W-we are gamers, right?Right?
>>339596612
>IGN
Might as well tell me kotaku gave it a bad review.
>>339596356
>you're more likely to get shitty duplicates
Well I'm at level 41 and I've received around 13% of my drops as duplicates.
Legendaries are rare as fuck though. I've got 2 or 3, can't remember atm.
>>339588014
>has exactly the same problems as these two games
>exactly
You're fucking retarded.
>>339590239
>if Overwatch was made by anyone else, it would be a footnote of a footnote release and have a cult playerbase of like 1000.
Battleborn has around 2000 now, I'd give it a couple more days.
>>339596579
>I don't like the cosmetics therefor there's no problem having them locked behind microtransactions or thousands of hours of farming XP
Okay, but you not liking it isn't basis enough to excuse bad business practises.
>Team needs a tank
>Someone picks D.Va
>>339596472
Because american education system influences.
I bet someone has the image with a summary how that shit goes down over there. Basically teach kids to never fail and lead them into the correct answer to make them feel good. Failure leads to depression and questioning of authority making them look bad.
>>339596356
>For the first 20 levels maybe
No? XP required to level stops going up after a certain point, dunno where. Plus when you break 100 you basically prestige and the exp you need to level is reset back as if you were at level 1. Playing at a fairly steady and moderate pace of about 20 hours a week you could reach level 100 in maybe a month and a half, tops. Then it resets. It's literally been a week and people have broken level 100.
If you play like an hour a day, yeah, I guess leveling is pretty slow. Any multiplayer game with a progression system would be slow to level if you played that fuckin' little though.
>Blizzard obviously designed it so you would be incentiviced to use microtransactions later on instead of mindlessly farming for a skin you didn't get.
>Blizzard designed it so that your stupid ass would spend money in hopes that you randomly get a cosmetic item like a fucking moron
How hopelessly retarded do you think people are? You'd have an argument if any of the shit you get from loot crates mattered, but none of it does. The only people that would blow money on the things are the kind of complete fucking dipshits who would buy cosmetics whether or not it was difficult to obtain them.
>ranked mode delayed 2 months
overwatch is dead now hype cant sustain with casual mode
>>339596725
>it's a Winston is better than D.Va episode
You're in every thread right?
>>339596612
>>339596672
Even you said that the running around is part of DOOMs essence, so even you agree that the example you gave me is a bad one because the knock a core element of the original doom
>>339596723
They have no affect on the gameplay. Anyone who spends money on those things knows what they were getting into. There's no reason to buy them from a gameplay perspective (the only perspective that matters in a video game). Only an e-peen perspective.
>>339596656
>If you have so little self control as to feel the need to spend money on cosmetics, then you deserve to get ripped off.
Attitude like that only means that every game in the future is going to have random loot boxes and shitty microtransactions. Because the fact is, a lot of people really don't have fucking self control, and you're not punishing those people, you're just rewarding the company. Rewarding companies that do shit like loot boxes leads to more games having loot boxes in them..
>>339596781
No, D.Va is just trash.
>>339596723
No its that there is no bonus to buying it, its not a bad business practice because it offers no advantage over anyone else.
If you buy a shit ton of loot create, it does not make you better at the game, it only changes your appearance so you can look 'cooler'
>be competitive fighting game player
>try out an FPS for the first time
>its overwatch
>everytime I get fucked up learn from my mistakes
>eventually shitting on everything with smart Dva movement and Tracer disruption
>go to the forums
>NERF NERF NERF NERF
lol
>>339596893
You're just bad.
>>339595964
What are you going on about?
>>339596895
>It's okay because its cosmetics
>it's okay because you can farm it for FREE ;)
>It's okay because its blizzard
Jesus fucking christ, how cucked can you be.
Oh boy
Getting cross about miniscule details because of ideological puritanism is pretty childish you know
>>339596870
>leads to more games having loot boxes in them..
That isn't a problem though because you have self control so it doesn't impact you.
:^)
>>339595964
Autism speaks
>>339596781
Winston is literally better then D.va though and consistently is pick over her by professional teams on control point maps.
>>339596723
>locked behind microtransactions
But they aren't.
>>339588014
shills and blizzard payed review sites.
>>339596992
How is it not a problem when these would otherwise be readily available without having to farm them? You not caring about cosmetics is completely fucking irrelevant.
>>339597040
>professional teams
That is adorable.
>the last DICE games and every Battlefront game had some sort of singleplayer
>the new one doesn't
>Destiny is an MMO, which absolutely relies on the amount of engaging content it has
>it doesn't have any
>Overwatch doesn't have a singleplayer
>neither does Hearthstone, HotS, Team Fortress 2, DotA, League, Counterstrike or Unreal Tournament, which have a similar scope
GEE I WONDER
>>339588014
>Destiny
It's an MMO shooter. MMOs need content
Star Wars
>Costs $60 and obviously a lot of content was cut
>Overwatch
Starts at $40, the $60 version only has cosmetic bullshit (Except console cucks, but who cares about console shooters?)
I think $30 would have been the perfect price for Overwatch, but close enough.
>>339597049
>It's a you can farm it for a few thousand hours and get it without paying so therefor its completely free episode
Every time.
>>339596967
You are literally retarded. The idea that microtransactions are inherently evil is fucking retarded. Microtransactions like the ones in Overwatch and DotA2 literally serve only to generate money for the developer at no cost to anyone.
The only argument against cosmetic-only microtransactions is being a moralfag retard who claims that gaming companies are taking advantage of people with gambling problems by selling stuff like loot crates, which is fucking retarded and you're an idiot if you even begin to let that cross your middle-finger-to-god of a brain.
>>339596870
If it wasn't cosmetics I would have a problem. Like when they added non-cosmetic microtransactions to Payday 2, people bitched and they change dthem to only be cosmetic.
>>339596967
Apparently im pretty cucked because i
>Dont find the need to buy cosmetic items
>Willing to play the game to unlock the cosmetics i want
>Enjoy the fact that i can unlock stuff rather then have it all given to me at the start.
Just cuck my shit up senpai.
Why are there only 4 gamemodes in Overwatch anyway?
Doesnt every multiplayer shooter have a shitload more?
>>339597136
What would even be the point of having every costume? It's not like you can use multiples at a time and chances are good you like one skin more than the others.
>>339597094
>Hearthstone
>No singleplayer
Please anon, at least looks stuff up before posting, it doesnt take long
>>339597094
This goes back to my point of, overwatch is not trying to be something its not.
Its a WYSIWYG
>>339597198
Because its catered to Blizzdrones and normalfags. Neither of which have any kind of standards as long as you show them pretty colours and characters.
>>339588014
Waifus
>>339597198
TF2 is 9 years old and only has like 4 game modes that anyone actually plays (payload, koth, control points, ctf). There's a bunch of dead fluff like territory control and arena I guess, but imo multiplayer shooters with an overabundance of game modes that mostly suck just appear cluttered and unfocused. It's better to have just a few game modes with a plethora of quality maps (but Overwatch is currently a little low on maps as well imo).
>>339597092
I have a friend who changed his blizzID to thatboi without knowing you cant switch it.
>>339597198
4 is pretty common
>>339597387
i've had shitloads of fun with arena though
I don't know why they discontinued it
>>339597207
I'm level 15, I've not recieved a single costume for a character I like to play (I play 7 of them regularly) nor have I recieved enough gold to buy one. At the current rate it'll be several weeks before I can get a single skin.
>>339597136
>thousands of hours
>played 45 hours
>got the three skins and couple sound bites I wanted
Do you want EVERY skin? Yeah, Bliz is taking advantage of people born past 93 that need a skinner box and have to 100% dressup, I guess.
Certainly doesn't take THOUSANDS of hours. Especially if there's just a couple you want.
>>339597092
Yup. Pro teams. It's a thing.
And Winston is much, much better than D.VA. Sorry about your delusions.
>>339597445
You'll get 1000 cash before long.
>>339597464
>>339597445
Like poetry. This is the problem with completely RNG based loot drops.
>>339596926
>massive headbox for easy headshots
>low damage
>bad range on her only attack in mech
>very slow movement when firing
It doesn't matter that she's your waifu; D.Va is a shitty character and you're dragging the team down when you pick her.
>>339597474
You're just bad. Skill matters and context matters. No character is objectively better.
>NO U SEE BECUZ MCCREE AND LUCIO
I will kick your ass in any match up.
>>339597441
I reckon because most people don't enjoy dying then sitting there for 5 minutes while an engie and heavy sit in a corner and a spy with the cloak and dagger crouch walks across the map to uncloak in front of them and die.
It's just not fun to die then have to wait several minutes before you can do anything again. If you found it fun, power to you, but it's not mystery as to why people abandoned it. It's a pretty terrible game mode. It's basically sudden death: the game mode, which is fucking stupid.
>>339597079
If they remove cosmetic content to not make them purchasable or found in random drops I really don't give a fuck. Nothing of value was lost. Come back when actual gameplay affecting things are in question. Unlocks ONLY matter when it's not cosmetic.
From the videos and Webms iv seen Overwatch just seems like a massive clusterfuck because of all the different abilities getting thrown around
Is it like that when you actually play?
>>339597595
In your opinion ;)
>>339590112
Destiny has 6 classes, at least ten weapon types, like 40 exotic weapons at this point, far more game modes, and has the best feel of any console shooter.
>>339595714
>You know what kept us around? The gameplay. Which Overwatch has in spades.
>gamplay
>Which Overwatch has in spades
No, delusional faggots like you are the problem with "modern gamers".
>>339597624
No. It's a fairly fast paced shooter compared to most, there's some visual clutter you need to adjust yourself too, and there are 21 heroes with their own abilities that you need to learn. It takes time to get comfortable with the gameplay, but once you do, it's a perfectly clean experience. It only ever seems like a clusterfuck to people who have never played it before, much like TF2 probably appears to people who have never played it before.
>>339597293
If that counts, you might as well count the vs AI mode in Overwatch
>>339597518
>omg lookit this guy rng!!d
Level 15 is nothing. Like 8 hours of play. Once you get items you already have, dupes turn into money. You use the money to buy what you want. It goes pretty fast once you start getting more and more dupes. Then you just buy what you want.
>>339597536
She's not my favorite, I can just outperform any character you pick with her, because skill matters more.
>>339597785
I've got several dupes, all of which has been worth 5 gold. RNG is fucking terrible and faggots like you who got lucky and therefor don't have a problem with it are cancer. It should have given you straight up gold instead so you could just buy what you wanted.
When do you think Blizzards first tourney for this is gonna be? I like they're ones, they always make it very nice
>>339597660
How is it a problem to not look a certain way? How does this affect your enjoyment of the game in any way?I replied to bait
>>339597546
Are you fucking serious with this?
>>339598123
ANOTHER shitter.
Go to the forums to add to the deluge of
>pls buff X and nerf Y
>>339597961
Why do people wear makeup? Why do we buy new clothes? etc etc
>>339597720
>n-no it doesn't
>y-you're wrong
Is this your only argument?
>>339588014
Blizzard and Waifus.
>>339597912
>lucky
I got one legendary from 1 to 35 and it was fucking young hanzo. Then I got the same one. Wouldn't call that lucky.
But I literally do not care. I check boxes as a log off for the night routine. Guess I'm a faggot for playing the game instead of giving a shit that I have 4 if the same dress in a different color for my waifu.
>>339598165
Because it makes a real life difference in thegameplayof IRL. There are no such things in Overwatch.
>>339592802
almost all the negative reviews are people bitching that it isnt free
>>339598163
Why do you think heroes get nerfed or buffed
>>339598386
>Overwatch
>F2P
Considering the quality of the playerbase right now I don't want to imagine what it would be like if it was F2P. I still remember TF2 going down that route.
>>339598331
That is lucky. Duplicate legendaries give a lot of coins. Get enough and you'll be able to get any fucking cosmetic you like. I got 1700 before I was level 40. That's more than enough to buy a legendary skin, victory pose, highlight intro, voice line, and spray for your main if you have one.
And the game's only been out a week. People are acting like it'll take an impossibly long time to unlock what you want through normal gameplay, but that's false.
>>339598462
They do when there are legitimate problems, like Bastion's shield.
Any EUPS4players want to play?
>>339598497
550 loot boxes and 5500 games to unlock everything, on average.
Math has been done.
>>339598484
Whats wrong with it, do people just bitch about your hero choices?
>>339597701
9 Classes
>>339588014
The Blizzard magic give a +2 points to any score.
>>339598817
What's wrong with what? The current playerbase?
The average skill is downright terrible. F2P would sink it additional 800%.
>>339598791
I don't understand gamer entitlement. I need to have everything, also right now. Why though?
>>339588395
Confirmed for not playing Overwatch.
Nothing mindless about a DOTA-FPS
>>339599113
>DOTA FPS
Looks like you're the one who hasn't played Overwatch.
>>339588014
>Battlefront didn't have single player and people were mad! Why are they not mad about Ovewatch not having single player!?
Probably becauseOverwatch didn't have previous games praised for their single player experience.
>>339599205
He's baiting.
>>339598497
By 43 I got scarecrow junkrat and mecha Pharah. Only legendaries I really wanted. Cobalt Rein too, but that's a cheapo skin.
I really don't get the issue, this isn't setting a precedent. Fucking EA had microtransactions to buy vehicle upgrades in bf3. You were literally at a disadvantage flying a vanilla plane against people who had unlocks, and that was a full price game WITH epac dlcs, and this was years ago.
>>339597546
>context matters
Like the context in which the best players in the world are playing against each other and D.va is never picked and Winston is always picked? That context? The professional context?
>>339595971
What was the last FPS released that gave you a rocket launcher kind of weapon that felt very much like how rocket launchers did in the 90s? Tribes Ascend spinfusor?
>>339599361
>best players
wew lad. I bet you think you're one too.
>>339599314
>I got all the things I wanted
>I really don't get the issue
Hmmm
>>339598685
And blizz are planning on nerfing mcree and buffing Dva
>>339599405
I got it with in game currency in under 48 hours of play time?
>>339593780
Overwatch is the only blizzard game I've ever bought and I enjoy it. It fils tf2s void.
>You have to buy unlocks with real money if you are unlucky besides the game itself
>This isn't horseshit guys, Blizzard is just based!
>>339599667
Congrats? its still entirely dependent on RNG
>>339599667
But how can you be enjoying the game if you haven't unlocked every single collectible immediately?
>>339599810
>better hyperbole so I don't have to deal with legitimate criticism
Okay shitposter
>>339599393
Nice argument. Make sure to reply with another meme next time, maybe "top kek"? You seem the hyper-original type to go for that.
>>339599770
It's dependant on RNG even if you spend $10000 on loot boxes
>>339599927
You have no legitimate argument.
>The best players play these characters, no evidence just trust me
That's ignoring that even if they did, there aren't objectively better ones because context matters more.
>>339599770
>optional cosmetic skins that have no impact on gameplay are based on rng loot boxes that you get from playing the game
Okay?
>>339599768
You don't have to buy anything. Blizzard is banking on the fact that compulsive completionists like you will blow your autismbux on booster packs though.
That's their prerogative though, I'm fine just playing OW with my buddies.
>>339588014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9aMpjYFaTk
Joe did a completely honest review praising the game for it's good gameplay but criticizing the lack of content, the price and the microtransactions.
The comment section is burning down.
>>339600027
>projecting this much
Okay goyim.
>>339600134
>I don't know what projecting means
please, gb2reddit
>>339600119
lack of content is empty phrase due to the fact that multiplayer either provides someone unlimited content or none.
it all depends how much that certain gameplay engages you personally
>>339600258
>calling people you don't know compulsive completionists
>not projecting
You need to be 18 to post here.
>>339600119
Of course the comment section is burning down. The blizzard manchildren can't take any kind of criticism without getting defensive. Just look at
>>339600362
>>339599907
>he's used a meme so his point doesn't count
>>339600004
What metric do you consider players to be "good" or "the best"? Why don't you think professional players aren't the best there is? What better metric is there than dedicated, experienced players competing against each other for a living?
Never mind the fact that you're saying there's "no evidence" even though you could just google comp pick rates.
>>339600000
>$10000
5 0's
>>339600547
Why are you replying to yourself?
>>339600660
Why are you getting so desperate you have to accuse of samefag? It's really pathetic anon.
>>339600728
Because nobody else talks to you but me.
>>339600374
projecting is when you project your own traits or shortcomings onto someone else.
Projecting is NOT when you make general assumptions about someone else.
For him to be projecting, HE would have to be the compulsive completionist spending autismbux, and there's nothing about his posts that indicate he is
>>339600362
I dunno I payed $40 for a Black Ops 3 key as a game to fuck about with when i'm too out of it for anything that requires more brain power.
It has more maps, more gamemodes, more progression and customization, two single player campaigns, coop zombies, arcade mode, offline multiplayer, all kinds of shit that OW doesn't have.
I didn't expect anything from it yet I got all that, while OW is being hailed as the new king of multiplayer shooters and it's barren.
>>339588014
Fanboyism, plain and simple.
>>339600641
i just threw a random amount in there to get the point across that even If you spend an extreme amount of money you're not guaranteed anything substantial
>>339588014
the game has waifus and husbandos. that is all/
>>339600829
>Blizzardshill
>not a compulsive completionist spending autismbux
All right senpai.
>>339601197
>projecting this hard
Thinking of getting this, the user scores on sites are far lower than I expected though
What are peoples major complaints about it?
>>339601245
I haven't bought a game in 4 years mongoloid.
Fuck back off to reddit.
>>339601339
Then what the fuck do you give a shit about cosmetic microtransactions for?
>>339588014
This is not even a debate. The expectations is what the problems were.
Destiny was supposed to be this complete near-MMOFPS experience, yet there was no content to back it up.
SW: Battlefront was supposed to be this epic continuation of the Battlefront series, yet it turned out to be a very shallow Battlefield experience.
Overwatch is exactly what it is, a somewhat improved version of Team Fortress 2 that is polished and is relatively balanced with content coming that doesn't require users to pay any additional fees (see Destiny expansions or SW: Battlefront DLC's)
At this point you poorfags are just going over the line with this cherrypicking bullshit.
>>339588014
because it's actually fun to play
Remember fun?
>>339588014
Except that it is
>fun
>cheaper
>no seasons pass (yes there is cosmetic micro-transactions but only autists buy them)
>>339601416
Because it's a greedy business model?
Holy shit, you ARE retarded.
>>339601259
>few gamemodes
>characters aren't perfectly balanced
>playing solo matches you with retards 90% of the time
>nothing really new, just a classic shooter
>limited to 6v6
>>339601559
"Fun" is a meme for when you can't think of an actual reason as to why the game is good.
>>339601637
One that doesn't affect the gameplay in ANY SINGLE WAY
So again, who gives a shit other than compulsive completionists?
>>339601259
Blizzard made it.
>>339601559
>he thinks "fun" is a reasonable indicator of quality
Remember when /v/ wasn't this dumb?
>>339601559
No, all I remember is grinding for hours and hours on end to unlock a new gun so I can grind for hours on end to unlock a scope for it.
>>339601559
Yeah it's fun for about 4 hours until you've seen everything and you run out of stuff to do.
So that's $10 an hour, Overwatch is being paid more than the guy who makes your burgers.
>>339601758
>people are having fun with an almost half price game
>they aren't actually having fun
wew lad
>>339601705
>locking content behind a paywall when you have bought the game
>lol who cares Blizzard strong am I right guys?
You can fuck off with your shilling.
>>339601953
The content isn't locked behind a paywall. You can get all of it through normal gameplay. You literally don't know what you're talking about
>>339588014
Destiny advertised itself as more than it was.
Battlefront III was the 3rd game in the series so you could directly compare how much less content there was from its predecessors.
Overwatch takes itself less seriously and because of the beta, everyone knew exactly what they were getting with their purchase when it came out, so no salt.
>>339588014
The difference is that Overwatch was sold for $40.
>>339600845
HAHAHA
this fucking game has broken weapons in their rng box + dlc + microtransactions. You're a fucking retard
This is an easy question anon. People are inherently bias. And maybe Overwatch is good at marketing.
>>339602038
>You can get all of it through normal gameplay
After hours and hours of grinding that you can only skip by paying up.
Is shit.
>>339591771
consoles when?
>>339597701
in which that only 5 of all of the above are used because Bungie can't balance for shit.
>>339602087
>because of the beta, everyone knew exactly what they were getting
You mean the Beta nobody could get into that they used to advertise their game on Twitch?
>>339602168
Ok let me just read my post back to you.
>>339600845
>Black Ops 3 is a perfect game without any flaws, it is my favorite game and the best game anyone will ever play, I enjoy every aspect of it's gameplay and I find the microtransaction crates and the RNG weapon drops to be appropriate and enjoyable.
Ah looks like you got me there, champ.
>>339602224
I mean they manage to convince their buyers to actually buy the game and even manage to justify it to be not F2P because you need all the heroes or some shit like that. It's not like dota2 has all free heroes.
>>339602227
There's no reason to skip it, though. And the people who try are idiots anyway because even if you dump hundreds into it, there's no guarantee you'd wind up getting what you want since it's RNG.
It's an idiot tax just like the lotto, except the shit you win won't have any real impact on anything, so it's a double idiot tax.
>>339602446
I've never seen that argument. The only one I've seen against f2p is >>339598938
>>339602376
You brought up a game with actual content locked behind microtransactions. You spent 40 dollars but didn't get the entire game upon purchase.It's automatically shit. Lemme guess, you got your bat so it's okay right?
>critics and players have a field day hating on Destiny
The critics glance over most of Destiny's problems, to this day, and the playerbase is probably the biggest of all console games right now, even if the game has been basically left to rot by Bungie until the next 40 Dollars expansion.
>>339602498
>There's no reason to skip it, though. And the people who try are idiots anyway because even if you dump hundreds into it, there's no guarantee you'd wind up getting what you want since it's RNG.
Why do you keep replying if are just gonna agree with me in the end?
>>339595964
>I can't understand this, why movies can be separated in mass-produced stuff for masses and niche things for the ones invested in movies, but games are to be strictly for one part of population? Why is it taking so long for people to realize this?
I think if movies had started out as purely for children or at least viewed that way, it would have taken much longer to gain respect as a medium. Film has always since its inception been a medium for high artists with money backing them, and very early on these high artists developed whats now the basics of film theory and began critically examining other films from around the world.
Games have yet to develop that almost monastic class or genuinely respected analyzers, i mean we all know the state of games journalism right now. Without that respected upper echelon audience to impress we dont get the flow of high end products designed for connoisseurs that film does.
>>339593873
They said maps will be free too, and since maps are tied to specific gamemodes, we can reasonably assume gamemodes will be free, too.
>>339588014
Because while Destiny was marketed as a full MMO with all this content and Battlefront advertised actual singleplayer capability OW just came out and said that it was a multiplayer only team based shooter. They didnt say it was anything that it wasn't. Its not that hard to understand.
>>339602573
http://www.polygon.com/2015/11/7/9688324/overwatch-buy-to-play-blizzard-pricing-model-plans
>>339588121
>Gets mad at people talking about video games on a video game board
Why are you here?
>>339600845
Black Ops 3 is also the 12th entry to the franchise. Comparing it to a new IP is stupid.
>>339602832
My point is that it isn't an issue with the devs/publishers. They can be as greedy as they want as long as it doesn't have any impact on gameplay.
But it seems like you're blaming a company for some of their customers being retards, and that's justretarded
>>339602938
>linking to polygon
>>>/out/
>>339603142
You want me to quote that for you?
>"We really made the decision on the business model based on what we thought was right for the gameplay," Kaplan told Polygon in an interview at BlizzCon. "If you've played a lot of Overwatch, you know that hero-switching [mid-match] is a core part of it — it's a really fun dynamic part. The difference maker between ... Overwatch and other games is the fluidity in the team compositions and matching what the other team's doing.
>>339603056
I'm blaming for knowlingly using a method that takes advantage of retards and is obviously greedy as fuck when we could have all that shit for free.
Is not only the retards that buy it that's retarded however, but the idiots like you that think is fine to buy a product that has locked content that you can't have a way of unlocking everything even after you spend hundreds of hours upon it. Seeing how your mindset isn't part of the problem is just sad.
>>339602720
I never even mentioned microtransactions in that post, it has exactly the same loot system as OW, besides a few weapons they added as an update later on that only dropped from crates.
Do I defend that? No.
I don't like the loot crate system in any game, I think it's gambling, and because of the inclusion of RNG weapons in Black Ops it's loot system is objectively worse than OW's, which for the time being is only cosmetics.
That doesn't draw any attention from the fact that I paid the same amount of money for BLOPS and it has ten times the content and effort put into it that OW has.
>>339603007
So because OW is a new franchise it can't have
-single player campaign modes
-offline multiplayer with bots
-coop horde/survival modes
-far more gamemodes and maps
-more meaningful progression and customization?
Games with far smaller budgets backed by far smaller companies have released with triple or quadruple the maps and game modes OW has, and with all of the above.
Those games were $60, Overwatch is $40
>>339603407
>Games with far smaller budgets backed by far smaller companies have released with triple or quadruple the maps and game modes OW has, and with all of the above.
Name 5, preferably new IPs
>>339588091
This is exactly why. This right here.
>>339603401
>a product that has locked content that you can't have a way of unlocking everything even after you spend hundreds of hours upon it
At least one of the games in the OP also does that, and it does it as a core facet of gameplay progression.
>>339603407
>So because OW is a new franchise it can't have
>-single player campaign modes
>-offline multiplayer with bots
>-coop horde/survival modes
>-far more gamemodes and maps
>-more meaningful progression and customization?
Because it's a new franchise, it can choose what it wants to have. Stop expecting every game to have the features you personally like.
>>339603538
>Name 5
How arbitrary, but I'll bite.
Gears of War.
Time Splitters.
Battlefield 1942.
Insurgency.
Warhawk.
You've already seen everything in Battlefront before you play it.
Whereas the shitty Overwatch characters are diverse and each have shitty stories that you haven't already seen in a movie or different game. The cliches on the other hand...
But really it should be obvious to you that it is easier to beat up Battlefront with what we got.
>>339595964
Oh great, here come the "normie/casual" and "hardcore/gamers" group distinctions, which actually don't really exist
What is actually meant by these terms WHEN /V/ USES THEM
>Normie/Casual = someone who enjoys playing games in their free time, but have other interests and a social life too, so they don't let gaming entirely consume them. Usually check out games based around the tastes of their social circle, which is typical human behaviour
>Harcore/gamers = someone who has allowed their hobby to absolutely consume them that they are inflexible to anything non-gaming related. Usually draw up a fuss when game mechanics aren't pandering exclusively to them, further complaining they're not "deep enough" because they are not fulfilling their arbitrary definitions of "skill based mechanics". Contrarian in nature and holds a bitter and distorted worldview, somehow believing the world has wronged them because they spent their entire childhoods on video games and therefore missed out on all the experiences of average children. Usually use this "wrongdoing" to justify their bigoted beliefs and further indulge in their mental illness.
>>339594868
"lmao ggez" triggers blizzcucks
I'd be shocked if I find something that DOESN'T trigger them
>>339590049
Okay Overwatch is a no skill casual shitshow, but you are fucking delusional if you think Destiny ever and I mean EVER took the slightest modicum of skill whatsoever.
>>339603650
I'm not talking about the OP games, ding dong. I'm talking about Overwatch and it's greedy business model.
>>339588121
>an overwatch thread critiqueing it is the same as a thread jacking off to tracer
ok
>>339603401
It's cosmetics, I couldn't give less of a shit about them. It's a shooter, not a fashion show. One of them is the reason people play the game and is what matters. The other is a sideshow attraction.
>>339603772
>Gears of War
didn't have a horde mode until the second entry in its series
>Time Splitters
Which had 64 characters, yes, but most were simply palet swaps and only 18 maps, which isn't triple or quadruple of 12.
Try again.
>>339603730
/thread
Can we stop with the constant shitting on games because they're popular now and maybe just leave people to enjoy games they like? If you dont like OW or TW or literally anything then why are you going out of your way to post in the threads?
>>339603973
Exactly. The cosmetic is already in the game. The only reason they add microtransactions was because they made they made it hard as fuck to get all of them. You shouldn't have to do this random loot shit to get what you want in a game you already bought.
>>339588014
Friend of mine joked with me about Overwatch being TF2 with waifus and a price tag. I laughed at him and bought the thing.
It is TF2 with waifus, a price tag and shitty gameplay.
>>339604086
>>339603772
also Gears 1 only released with 10 maps.
>>339588014
>Less content than Battlefront
>Lacking in fun compared to Destiny
Overwatch has a nice roster of character that play differently that offer the content. Maps help, but the game comes down to how different each character and team comp can change a game so much. Battlefront is generic FPS without much variation or variance with guns. If the game had more characters that actually feel different, then the game wouldn't have gotten such a hard time. Then they just buried the game with DLC for a shitty underdeveloped game
>>339591793
Nigga I got ya
D va best girl
>>339604168
There is literally zero reason to get all of them unless you're a compulsive completionist. I already have dozens of skins and shit I'm never going to use.
>>339592081
>like Quake
You have got to be fucking kidding me haha
>>339604094
The games are already shit so we don't need to shit on them. What people are doing here is exposing the bias of reviewers and players with a blizzard game.
>>339588540
Overwatch had a cash shop on day 1.
>>339604168
Well when theyre giving away future characters and maps for free there has to be some sort of long term revenue. Hence cosmetics that dont affect gameplay at all making them the perfecr thing to have for miceotransactions.
>>339604328
>girl
>>339604349
There's also zero reason to make it a random loot shit to get all the stuff. I imagine that they do that solely for the purpose of microtransactions. I mean getting the stuff through achievements is a lot better and actually make the microtransactions stuff obsolete.
>>339604201
>Shitty gameplay
explain
>>339588014
Because both Destiny and Battlefront are not as fun to play.
Hate it all you want, but a pretty, simple, fun game will win over pretentious trash and horrible looking paywall garbage.
Plus Bungie actively, and I mean actively, fucked over Destiny players so hard and so often that anyone left playing is literally getting pissed on and calling it rain.
>>339604426
If you're a free game like Dota 2 it might make more sense.
>>339604379
Bias with players? Are you actually autistic? Enjoying a game just because you personally find it fun isnt bias you moron. Sure game journalists are biased towards shit so congrats for explaining something literally everyone knows. This still doesnt justify going out of your way to involve yourself in something you dont like. Its retarded. Just let people have fun.
>>339604328
hello shadman
>>339604510
You're acting like the shit players get out of loot boxes actually matters
>>339604426
If this game had a F2P and a B2P model, that would be acceptable. As a B2P though? That is unaceptable.
If you disagree, you're just a shill.
>>339604387
Nice try, but literally all of Overwatch's cash items are strictly cosmetic.
And can be got playing anyway.
>>339604606
>2 million people buy it
>now all of them get all future gameplay content for free
>even years later after they've given you their $40
That's not long-term
>>339604569
not him but
>when a decade old f2p game has better gameplay than an AAA hyped release, the latter has shitty gameplay
>>339604629
It matters because you already bought the fucking game. You don't need a fucking random roll to get your stuff. That's really the only reason microtransactions are there. Make it achievements and as I said the microtransactions will be obsolete.
>>339604575
This ALSO over watch never made the bullshit promises destiny did and overwatch didn't ruin an already established game series by catering to casuals
>>339604708
>years later
You don't know Blizzard by any means, do you?
>>339604426
only a fool would buy non existent content. gambling mechanics do not help either. ow is not a 40 or 60 dollar game. it's a cash grab.
>>339604687
>It's not a cash shop because it's just cosmetic.
You are retarded, aren't you?
>>339604738
You havn't explained anything, what makes Overwatches gameplay worse?
multiple characters with multiple matchups adds more depth than something like battlefront where everyone has the same movement and access to the same guns.
Playing Pharah vs Genji is going to be different than Winston vs McCree even if it's on the same map.
The game is fun because its accessible
Every fucking shooter is the same, Just get kills, that all that anyone ever fucking cares about, Weapon varity tends to suck in most of these games too.
Overwatch succeeds for the same reason TF2 does. It gives people more options of how to play and makes the game more than just 20 players running around individually shooting at random enemies. Its just more fun and has more varity. but it doesnt matter because even those babies who cant enjoy a game without trying to kill everything with edgelord or mcree players who complain about everyone else needing to be nerfed
>>339592458
It has some significant downsides compared to TF2. Including: a horrible tick rate, clusterfuck look, very casualised elements (ultimates, heroes that don't require any aiming skill) and last not but least: the 40$ price.
I know TF2 costed 40$ on release, but that was nearly a decade ago. TF2 was a genre definer back then. Overwatch is not.
>>339604826
Yeah, this is gonna be B2P like Heroes of the St-
Oh wait.
>>339604758
Are you ok? Why do you want to buy characters and guns? Why do you want buy to win? In what way is a strictly cosmetic skin in a cash shop that can be gotten in game a bad thing?
>>339604850
There's no way to gain any form of advantage by paying so why would you care about a cosmetic cash shop?
>>339604086
Regardless of the specific modes they all have far more content than OW, but again:
Titanfall.
Serious Sam.
Shattered Horizon.
HAWKEN.
>>339604850
It is a cash shop. It's also strictly cosmetic and has zero impact on the game: ie, what a buyable hero or gun would do. All things you're actually using are available to you. It literally does not matter.
Your reading comprehension isn't the best, is it?
>>339604968
Because if I bought the game I don't have access to all that content and I might want to play a character with another costume?
Jesus. You guys are dense.
>>339604656
>If you disagree youre just a shill
/v/ in a nutshell. Kill yourself
>>339604920
>Wahhh waaahhh only 10 year old games can charage a few trips to fast food for a online game
Its 3 months of WoW or a few trips to the movies. Why do so many people complain about the price, are you really that fucking poor that you cant give a company $40 for a game that has been in development for years e
>>339605070
It's not content. It's a costume.
You can't even see your costume when you're actually playing the game.
>b-but I WAAAANT it
You're fucking retarded holy shit
>>339604940
When does having achievements mean buy to win? In fact doing this will make the game better and will make the microtransactions in the game that /v/ complains about useless. But Blizzard wants to milk you guys dry.
>>339604968
It's still content locked behind a paywall/loot crates.
Why didn't they put the skins behind a progression system instead?
>>339600000
checked
>>339604931
>Blizzard
>expansion pack culture deep in their roots
>current year
>diablo is literally unplayable without them
>starcraft used to be literally unplayable without them, then they pissed off old players by telling the new expansion pack would be standalone but they'd need to pay
>wow is unplayable with or without expansion packs
Blizzard can make great games, it's what they do; but sometimes it feels like they are way more skilled on stealing players' money than making great games.
>>339588540
>content locked behind paywall on day one
>dumbed down, console-friendly
Literally all of this applies to Overwatch.
>>339605241
They did, you can get them through ranking up
>>339604758
>mad about cosmetics behind timewall in a thread about games that lock actual items behind payways and timewalls'
>games cant have unlocks now at all
>no game is good
>>339605209
The costume is a content you dumbass. It isn't gameplay but it is a fucking content. Do you actually support RNG for the content that you actually buy?
>>339604851
>a decade old game has better gameplay than an AAA hyped release
Bitch, you are in denial.
>a fucking state-of-art release has worse gameplay than a decade old game, are you a nigger by any means?
>>339605214
>they want to milk you dry
>by putting completely useless cosmetics in a cash shop
That will only milk retards dry or anons like >>339605070 who can't play the game unless they have a skin they want.
>>339604880
imagine if the characters had different weapons too wow wonder what kind of game that would be like
>>339605259
>Content
>skins and sprays
Is it GW2 again?
>>339605061
All of the above released with less (Multiplayer) content than Overwatch and still don't have more than Overwatch in some aspects (Hawken still has less maps and it "came out" 2 years earlier)
Try Again.
>>339590101
>>339590112
>>339603880
Have any of you played destiny?
It's literally an MMO, I don't care about how much skill it takes, but you're retarded if you don't think Destiny has 100x more content than Overwatch.
>>339605259
Why does that thing have a butt on its face?
>>339605209
>Costume is not content
Are you retarded?
>>339605407
You mean, that game where you cannot communicate with players and suddenly have to fight bosses with friends you have not made online? k
>>339604758
Yes, customers paid 40 bucks for a casual team shooter. That's there. THAT is the game that was paid for. I would hope people didn't spend 40 bucks on waifu dress up.
I may be wrong, but they didn't market the game for alternate skins? It's just a tacked on cosmetic addition to an almost half priced game. Nothing is locked. You can buy the shit with in game currency that doesn't take that long to obtain. Unless you're gunning for every skin, 90% of which you will never use.
>>339605376
But you havnt explained why you think the decade old game has better gameplay, so you havnt answered my question
>>339588014
The multiplayer is good enough on its own. It's about quality, not quanitity. Also,
>TF2 has no single player
>CSGO has no single player
>League of Legends has no single player
>DOTA 2 has no single player
2 of those game both run on the exact same map each and every game with one of them being the most played game in the world. This is because they are good enough to stand on their own, rather than needing more modes that are actually shit.
>>339605316
lottery bullshit isn't an "unlock"
if you got a legendary skin for doing a really difficult achievement with a character, that would be much better.
>>339605350
It's literally not content. It has zero anything to do with the game.
I support getting a reward for leveling up, sure.
does overwatch have destiny-style supers?
ITT: people paid 40 dollars to pay more 80 dollars to play TF2 with waifus
Where did this "Overwatch lacks content" meme come from??
>>339605391
>i-it's not kahntent if it's skins!!!
>>339605407
of course Destiny has more content than Overwatch, it has single player campaign for starters.
There is loads more to it than overwatch, how can you even deny that.
buying loot crates are essential for marketing department to pay reviewers and shills, really miss the old times when marketing and gameplay was not that tied.
>>339605436
>WAAAH WAAAH why did i have to unlock this skin in this RPG
>WAAAAH why didnt it just unlock for my character right in the beginning
>>339605436
You are m8, it's a fucking skin.
>>339605407
Destiny is not an MMO.
They tried to take things from MMOs without actually implementing the things that make MMOs work.
>>339604920
If you are still thoroughly enjoying TF2 then keep playing it. Theres nothing wrong with TF2 and pretty much everyone agrees its one of hte all time greats.
but its also tired and old and dated. I know ive played 1200+ hours of TF2 and im just kind of done with it. If that isnt you then great, keep playing TF2, But i have a feeling there are a lot of people like me out there. The game doesnt need to be strictly better than TF2 in every possible way, it just needs to be good and fill a similar niche, at least as far as im concerned.
>>339605541
when it was announced there are only 4 gamemodes
>>339588014
Because blizzard pump tons of money into marketing it as super challenging esport
>people STILL arguing about destiny, battlefront, and overwatch dlc
>when overwatch's will be FREE maps and characters for a game that is $40
>literally only buying cosmetic shit if you really care about that stuff
>when destiny and battlefront have $50 season passes on top of $60 base game
This is absurd.
>>339605505
>creative material viewed in contrast to its actual or potential manner of presentation
>not a costume
Dude...
>>339605593
It isn't, though.
Shit, I got a new magical girl costume for an npc I see once in a game. Look at all this CONTENT
>>339605493
>It's about quality, not quanitity
Then why isn't Overwatch being shit on? It has neither.
>>339605593
>FPS skins
>its content
>Game locks skills and items
>its the same as skins
Wat
>>339605693
>I'm really upset that this thing that has nothing to do with the game is in a cash shop
>it's not like I can get them in game either
>man, they're holding back so many things to do in game
Lady
>>339605687
Have blizzard confirmed that maps and characters will be free?
and if so, do we have any reason to believe that?
>>339605407
I'm not arguing that Panderwatch has more content, or that it even takes skill to play, I'm merely saying that Destiny's PVP gets a lot of unfair praise when it is essentially no-skill garbage. At least it was before they released The Taken Shekels, at which point I dropped that piece of shit after they removed the fucking Nightfall Strikes, Heroic Strikes, and the fucking Level 20+ Strike playlists from players who didnt have The Taken King. Fuck Activision, fuck Bungie, both of them are bigger fucking niggers than even EA.
Game was a 6/10 up until that point though, I enjoyed it with my friends and had some good times.
>>339605505
It is content. If it's in the game it is content.
So, which do you think is better?
Doing some specific things to get a specific achievement to get a specific costume or level up and get random loot box and hope you get the shit you want and if you don't get it you spent literally hours playing it try to get until you gave up and but the loot box and fall for the microtransactions?
>>339605687
>Blizzard is the saviour of gaming!! they don't even want your money they just want you to have fun!!!
Yeah, it is absurd.
>>339605954
*buy
>>339605786
I guess you just don't have friends then
>>339605869
>Destiny's pvp gets praise
Gonna have to stop you there, friend, Destiny PvP is damn near universally panned.
Because of those three games OP, overwatch actually has fun gameplay.
Destiny is a shitty MMOFPS.
Battlefront is an arcade shooter that is boring after 3-4 hours.
Overwatch hits all the right notes for a class based objective shooter.
Whenever anyone complains about a game not having enough content, what they are really saying is that they got bored of the content that was there too quick. If your game is fun, people will happily play it for hours on end and still have fun.
>>339605805
>oh shit guy literally blew me the fuck out in an argument and made me look like a retard
>better greentext about something else we already spoke about, that will show him!
You forgot to tip your fedora.
>>339605970
To think people are unironically saying this about the fuckers who shit Diablo III and Starcraft II on our doorsteps in multiple and costly installments.
>>339605863
They have stated it yes
Reason is like it or not but blizzard is a big enough dev to have a public image. Overwatch is obviously a massive IP for them they have been working on for years. If they want to keep fans (especially console fans) they will keep going with that promise. It also helps that they are more than stable enough from all the other games so its not like that cant take a loss to some degree.
>>339606093
>Because of those three games OP, overwatch actually has fun gameplay.
I love the "fun" buzzword too anon.
>>339592134
>Splatoon's single player was great
It was four hours of floating islands and reused multiplayer maps. The bosses are the strongest aspect and they are fairly standard "hit 'em three times till they die" besides Octavio.
It's the very definition of a tacked on single player.
Not saying "it was bad, you didn't enjoy it", because I enjoyed it. But was it great? Hell no.
>>339592081
This.
Battlefront was a fucking BATTLEFRONT game with none of the depth or features. Of course the critics tore it apart for not being a proper sequel.
Destiny was a goddamn MMOFPS on consoles that had enough content for two weeks at launch. g fucking g
Overwatch sold itself for what it was. Critics tend to enjoy not getting lied to.
>>339606054
>the game IS quality
>y-you just don't have friends!
Blizzcucks.
>>339606063
Hey, if thats true I'm happy, but I've been in the Generals and a lot of threads on here and people masturbate over the PvP like you wouldn't believe. Not to mention the normie opinion, those guys think ots the second coming of Halo 3
>>339605970
I am really hoping you aren't one of those retards that buys cosmetics in games and then calls the company who sells them greedy.
>>339605863
http://www.inquisitr.com/2617994/blizzard-confirms-overwatch-dlc-will-be-free-after-launch/
http://twinfinite.net/2016/04/overwatch-dlc-free/
>>339606238
Critics also enjoy shallow and lazy experiences that doesn't require any measure of skill. So indeed Overwatch does fit that bill.
>>339605863
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKG8Yx6F7uc#t=58
Maps and heroes, yes. "Game modes", not technically
>>339605954
Costumes have nothing to do with the game one way or the other and I'm not an autist who considers skins the reason to play.
So I guess I just play the game and am happy. Wew.
>tfw level 30
>stonehart, toasted junkrat, valkyrie, Ra, Hippityhop and Huntress
Damm, never touched a cash shop and still got all this content
>>339605863
yes they have said that. They dont want to split the playerbase with maps and since character swapping is such a big part of the game they know they cant really sell characters without having a huge impact on gameplay.
It would seem loot boxes are the only ongoing monetization for the game. We likely wont have anything we "need" to pay for until the inevitable single player campaign that will come out at some point.
>>339606238
Critics tend to enjoy money*
>>339606289
It is true. Look literally anywhere else except an echo chamber circle jerk general long dead and in a war of attrition at this point.
>>339606238
Critics also usually don't play the whole game. It's a good thing that Overwatch only have the multiplayer.
>>339588014
Because it's actually fun.
>mfw Blizzard later releases these new heroes as a gold purchase
>its free because you can farm gold in-game ;)
>>339605398
Bullshit, Titanfall has more maps than Overwatch, and more game modes, and horde mode.
So does shattered horizon.
Anyway we're straying from the point, that OW is barren of maps, game modes and single player content, which is indisputable. They don't even have TDM or CTF.
Whatever game we compare it to it's going to be lacking in some factor, the point isn't what specific mode the games have in common but overall how much variety and how long the game will stay fresh.
Less maps, less game modes, less characters, less variety, whatever, the point is you get less for your money.
>>339594279
>in beta in rained legendary skins
>reset accounts
>twice as many levels played, fucking nothing
>Destiny comes out, lacking in several aspects of the PvE, PvP and balance departments. In general making it a bad value proposition
>critics and players have a field day hating on it
"Wooow why did a console MMO that has shit balance and fuck-all content get blasted?"
>Star Wars Battlefront comes out, lacking any kind of meaningful singleplayer, depth and in general just very little content for a full-priced title
>critics and players have a field day hating on it
"Woow why did the third game in a franchise, that had an abysmal content ratio in comparison to the previous ones, get blasted?"
Fucking retard, here's your u's
>>339588014
As other anons have said, Blizzard didn't try to sell it like it was hot shit. They definitely have been pushing it in people's faces nonstop, but never made it seem like it was gonna be the ultimate gaming experience that Destiny or Battlefront did. In fact, I'd be willing to wager that Blizzard WOULD have done the same thing, but after seeing what happened to Destiny and Battlefront, changed their minds. Especially when you consider the fact that all 3 game are the same: play for a few hours, get bored as Hell, never touch it again.
>the best console shooter of our generation was, after all, splatoon
>reasons: players had fun
>>339588014
yeah we also watched that angryjoe video
fuck off
>>339606423
>Bullshit, Titanfall has more maps than Overwatch, and more game modes, and horde mode.
Which came out AFTER release.
Keyword anon, you gotta follow it. Overwatch may not have Mall of America content, but 2-3 years from now, especially since it's a success, it's going to generate more content.
Also Shattered Horizon is literally dead, which Overwatch will decrease over the years, it will at least have diehard Blizzdrones playing it.
>>339606316
Who cares if you're an autist or not. You buy the game. The costumes are already in the game. But you need to do random hours of gameplay to get a fucking loot box that is basically just a rng roll.
So, you're happy and okay with this just because you got lucky? Welp, now I know what kind of people that actually support this kind of thievery.
>>339606582
People are having fun with OW too, and it's hated for the same reason
This board is literal shit
>>339606532
Fucking retard missing the point and thinking you're clever. Here's your You.
>>339606659
I didn't say the games were good or popular, just that they had more content and more replayability than OW.
OW is more popular right now than probably all of those games combined but that doesn't make it good.
>>339606698
I thought fun was forbidden in vidya.
>>339606687
And now I know the people who don't are the ones who would rather play dress up than a game.
>you don't get all the cosmetics at once!! I'm so angry I'm gonna not play and not get any of them even though I totally can
You win
>>339606697
You overcucks aren't prepared, watch what actiblizz does this month
>>339605635
But that's 2 more game modes than TF2 had on its launch
>>339606798
Decs have literally said they're not putting anything out until the first round of ranked ends.
Dumb frogposter, believing everything anon says
>hiroyuki senpai finally concede to 4chan users and split /v/
>/vw/, for western games, is for skin discussion, waifu customization, hardware bragging and fanboyism
>/vj/, for japanese games, is a desert because everyone spent their time typing friend codes and having fun
>>339606793
What you get is a chance of getting the cosmetic. You really need to understand that I'm not mad at doing something to get that but what I'm mad about is that you need to be lucky to get that.
Just tell me anon, why is getting stuff through achievements bad?
>>339606793
I'll be sure to screenshot this post and bring it up anytime someone complains about custimization in any game.
>>339606394
Well to be fair, I havent given the game or the community the time of day since Taken Shekels came out. The second I saw the results of the update for non TTK players, I traded the game in at the local shop and used the money to buy Soviet Strike for the Playstation. I'm just saying this is how things appeared when I had left the community. Frankly I was surprised the General kept going after TTK was released. Some people will put up with an incredible amount of bullshit from companies.
>>339606849
Yeah, but in the decade since TF2 came out youd think the standards would be a bit higher for amount of gamemodes
>>339606918
first round of ranked, what does that even mean you retard
>>339607032
>>339606849
>>339605635
>overwatch fags get this BTFO
>>339606687
>So, you're happy and okay with this just because you got lucky?
in an era where cash shops are ubiquitous yes i am pretty happy that I can easily unlock all the cosmetics by just playing the game which i was going to do anyway.
Unlocking cosmetics through gameplay is as old as gaming. There is literally nothing to complain about here.
>>339607032
Overwatch has double what TF2 had at its launch. That is higher, anon. Maybe soon your school will teach you that > isn't just for meming on the internet
>>339605259
There is no Overwatch content locked behind a paywall.
>>339606960
No. Instead tell me why a cosmetic skin that has nothing to do with gameplay is a deciding factor of content for you.
>>339606964
Please do. If it's free and can be gotten be playing, not locked behind any paywall, and has nothing to do with the outcome of a game it's still relevant.
>>339606687
I feel like it doesn't matter if I buy these games or not, because people like him make these games successful and then their terrible business practices end up in the games I do buy because they were successful and their fans let them get away with it.
It happened to Halo already.
I pay full AAA price for a game these days without knowing if I will have access to all the content or if it wants to float around in this grey area between F2P and AAA that bad consumers have allowed to exist.
>>339588014
It's okay when Blizzard does it. Muh waifus!
>>339606918
I posted that so I will believe myself
>>339592754
I really doubt that they'll even keep up with that promise anyway
It'll be turn into expansions
>>339607178
Stop avoiding the question. If you do it again it just means that you have no actual reason.
>>339607046
It's Google
>>339607178
Good, can't wait for when the new heroes are only available for gold and cucks like you will still claim they're "free" because you can grind to unlock them. It's the telltale argument of an autistic mongoloid. Well done.
>>339607142
You can say that of any shitty F2P title too.
>there's no locked content in this game you just have to play for 4000 hours and hope you get that 0.2% drop chance :^)
>or you can buy it now for 5.99 it's just a shortcut guys it's available to everyone for free
>>339607268
You have no actual point. I don't care about achievements to unlock something that, once again, has nothing to do with the actual game.
>>339607458
>I-i can't wait f-for you to be wrong
Keep waiting
>>339606421
I believe it, that's the only reason it's there in the first place with duplicates
>>339607606
>d-don't insult me and my b-blizzard ever again
>>339607487
and if unlocks had any impact on gameplay you would have a point. but its all cosmetics and cosmetic unlocks that require a lot of gameplay or possibly doing some crazy in-game shit have been around sine the early days of consoles.
I get the anger at cash shops getting pretty stupid these days, but let's keep shit in perspective.
Blizzard has literally
LITERALLY
SAID that all new maps and heroes will be free. Shit, this is so easily found I'm citing Google as your source.
>>339607785
Blizzard has also LITERALLY said they were going to do shorter expansions for WoW anon. Instead they're longer than ever. But sure, they'd never lie to you, sweet summer child.
>>339607740
You'll be waiting a really long time m8, can I get you anything to soothe that rectum?
>>339607785
overcuck spotted
>>339606421
>>339607885
Whatever you're using, considering how much of Blizzard's cock you take on a daily basis I assume you're well versed in anal soothing.
>>339607882
they have a schedule and that's available too.
The point is that they're completely free and you memeing fucks will try anything to say they're not because you're upset you wasted money on BB
>>339607972
Damn, you got me. I can't believe I'm having fun with this game and my ass isn't flustered because I can't get my waifu's skin RIGHT NOW
