Is this the new WoW killer? Legion looks like shit compared to Heavensward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAubpv_5DYM
>2.5s GCD
Into the trash it goes
Does it still have the long ass global cooldown?
MMOs suck
>>339584803
GW2 is the only MMO worth your time.
Everything else is just copy paste WoW.
>>339584908
>>339585092
>Le 2,5s GCD maimai
>>339585603
Is that supposed to be fast? Because it isn't.
Best game feature
>>339585093
This
>>339585603
>>339587443
Hell yeah
>>339585603
I'll have you know that in WoW, I mash three buttons and the skills go off instantly. That's the epitome of MMORPG combat.
Waiting 4 months for content that will last 1 week.
>>339584908
>>339585092
doesn't matter if you're playing black mage
Wowee muh 2.5 gcd meme! Works everytime! REKT!
>>339584803
I don´t play FF 14 but I must say weeping city looks rad as fuck
>>339590581
>mashing
>>339584803
WoW has been dead for a long time now
>>339591892
And it's still more deep than your 2.5 second Global Cooldown
>>339584803
what's BIBI doing there?
What class should I play in 3.3?
I spent 2.0 to 3.0 playing consistently as a WHM, but switched to AST for Heavensward and got bored during the wait for 3.1, levelled half the classes to 60, unsubbed and I've now lost any sense of player identity.
>>339584803
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYNCCu0y-Is
>>339591164
>1 week
more like 2 days. 1 day if you skip the ex trial.
>>339590581
>I mash three buttons and the skills go off instantly
you mash 3 buttons and you only see 3 numbers floating while your character does the same animation he does for every attack. Even SWTOR has better combat than WoW where you watch in real time lightsaber clashes and blaster deflects.
>>339591164
When was the last WoW patch released? 1 year ago?
>>339584803
Is it no longer a shitty WoW clone?
Has it managed to recapture the soul of FFXI?
Does it have SAM, GEO or BLU?
If the answer is no to any of these it's still shit.
>>339592281
Play le balanced shield healer
>>339592281
WAR
>>339592970
FFXI still exists if you want to play it.
>>339592886
>real time
>>339592483
>Comparing an ingame patch trailer with an Expansion cinematic trailer.
At least compare cinematic vs cinematic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFUx6xH1VlA
>>339585191
Fuck off, that game raped everything Guild Wars did right.
>>339593047
No, no it doesn't. FFXI hasn't existed since Abyssea was implemented.
>>339592970
>FFXI
>"Good"
Nostalgiafags are truly the worst
>>339592829
Every game has no content if you skip it. How's savage going?
>>339593117
CGI wow studio (i don't think it's blizzard) > Visual works square enix
Never played FF:ARR
How easy is it to get into as a new person?
I've heard it damn near impossible to catch up.
>>339593060
Yes.
Is this worth the subscription fee? How is the PS4 version player number wise? Can I use a mouse and keyboard on the PS4 version?
>>339593348
Every even patch increases the ilvl and every odd patch makes it easier to get to the new ilvl from the previous patch. It's easy to catch up.
>>339593386
Yeah for the mouse and keyboard.
>>339593348
decently, having friends to help you clear stuff definitely helps
catching up takes a bit but they keep adding welfare patch to throw high level gear at you so you won't need much to gear up to do endgame stuff
>>339593386
yes
you play with pc players
yes
>>339593386
Ps4 plays with PC players. There's no divide.
How is it on ps4?
>>339593348
>I've heard it damn near impossible to catch up.
How? It's just the opposing.
Just play it as a new game, the people with most trouble are the people that think it's just "another wow" because it looks "similar" but the gameplay is totally diferent and aoe works in a diferent way.
>>339593386
>Is this worth the subscription fee?
Yes. The ammount of content is impressive, at least give it a shot.
>How is the PS4 version player number wise?
PS4, PS3 and PC share the servers so the population is high. Tanks and healers get almost no wait time for dugeons and DPS usually have only to wait 10 minutes for anything (except Bahamut Coil...nobody does that).
> Can I use a mouse and keyboard on the PS4 version?
Yes but you would be surprised of how confy is the game with pad. I play it on PC with the DS4, it's so good it's unreal. At least give it a shot.
>>339593386
>>339593348
There's a shit ton of story content before you ever get to Heavensward. Piece of advice though, don't buy the expansion until you hit level 50, because none of the expansion is accessible until you clear the story from ARR, however, you can proceed past the level cap when you have HW installed.
If you like lore and story, it's a great game, but the gameplay is nothing innovative. It's your regular MMO with FF thrown on top.
Also, don't freak out over deciding a class, you can switch between all of them freely once you hit level 10.
>copies everything from WoW
>new expansion literally copies the Horde
jesus fuck
>>339593348
it's very easy to start, game teaches you very slowly (and starts very slowly), which can be irritating for mmo veterans, but for me was ok. It's also quite easy to get in and catch up, even easier if you make friends who can help you. At this moment game has ~3 month patch cycles, where you either get new tier of items or make current tier more easy to obtain. It's possible to get into any content quite fast as you level up your character, just don't focus your game around itemesation itself, focus on the content.
>>339594104
ebin
>>339593507
>>339593541
>>339593569
Sweet!
>>339593761
How would you recommend I learn more about MMORPG terms and mechanics, by the way?
>>339585603
why do you trick at the end thats retarded
>>339594093
Saves me money for a while, I guess. Is Heavesword worth it by the time I can play it though?
WoWfugees will be fucking off to leigon and FF fans will be able to play XIV in peace once again.
Who hype for their absence?
>copies everything from WoW
I played 4 years of wow
I played 3 years of FFXIV
I still don't get the "WoW clone" meme. Both games are totally diferent. The only similar thing in both is that you can jump and watch other people playing.
>>339593761
>Tanks and healers get almost no wait time for dugeons and DPS usually have only to wait 10 minutes for anything (except Bahamut Coil...nobody does that).
Healers have longest wait times for almost anything at level 60. I rarely wait longer than 5 minutes for ex roulette or alex normal/void arc, but can spend about 20 minutes waiting as healer at the same time of day. Healers are just most popular classes in this game.
>>339594326
It'll be on 3.3, possibly even 3.4 by the time you reach it, so I would say yes. There will be quite a bit to go through by the time you finish 2.55. I wouldn't say double the content, but close to it.
The expansion also goes on sale for $20 every now and again, so there's some incentive.
>>339594238
>How would you recommend I learn more about MMORPG terms and mechanics, by the way?
Just jump in at the deep end and start treading water.
>>339593127
Nobody does Abby anymore. Asura is still populated. I went back after Heavensward and between the thousand QoL changes and a chill player base in their 30s on average I'm having more fun with it than I did in XIV. I do miss playing TT.
>>339594348
The way to see if a sprout player is a WoWfugee is doing Titan Hard.
>He dies because of a landslide? He's a wowfugee
WoW players have the reaction time fucked up because they are so used to DBM telling them what's going to happen in 10 seconds, they can't react quick enought withouth "sharingan" addons.
>tempted to play FF14 again
>need to buy expansion
>it's still full price
>doesn't even come with a free month
Forget it.
>>339594496
Alright, I'll keep that in mind.
>>339594497
Will I be at a a massive disadvantage if I play alone a lot?
>>339594623
>saw sprout in Titan EX yesterday
What the fuck
>>339594238
FFXIV recently implemented a place called Hall of the Novice, it goes over typical MMO terms and teaches you the basics of whatever combat role you have picked. completing all of the tutorials there awards you with full set of equipment as well
>>339594668
You can play almost all the content alone, and using the Duty Finder.
>Blatantly rehash a model from another game
>Let's just call it allagan made the WoWfags wont know where it's from
Seriously, Yoshida?
>>339594326
Plotwise is just like playing a main line FF game. Shit was so good.
The endgame is good but people will moan because it's not as "epic" as Bahamut Coil (pre-HW raid) but Alexander is ok.
>>339594668
>Will I be at a a massive disadvantage if I play alone a lot?
Not really, the community aspect only hits full swing for raids and the most recent trials at end game.
>>339594104
>blizzard now owns the word horde
Anon, please. Although, I agree they should of brainstormed a different title, but what else do you call packs of dragons?
Also, Blizzard is starting to copy FFXIV now. First it was relics and now I'm sure they'll do the same with their new raid finder and it's practice options.
>>339593348
>>339593386
If you like Final Fantasy and like to see old FF things be implemented in a theme park style game then it's a good game.
Just play the free trial faggots.
>>339594736
>>339594758
Nice. Any classes I should avoid?
>>339594785
What's the world exploration like?
>>339594238
Search for a social guild and do the Hall of the Novice quests as >>339594736 said
(easy as hell to find, NPC's with a giant plant icon over them).
>>339594770
nobody who likes FF played 13 anyways
>>339594770
Final Fantasy has been reusing sprites and stuff for a long time.
>>339594902
You can play what you want, It doesn't matter really.
>>339594770
>A FF game using other FF monsters
>New
We have the same "fauna" in FF games since FFII. References to other FF games is literally what makes this game good.
>>339594826
Sounds good.
>>339594923
I'll give that a go.
>>339595036
Sweet. I hate when one class is awful.
So I quit right before 3.2 came out, have no guild, no friends, and a day job. How fucked am I if I rejoin?
I've got a max level WM with good "for 3.1" gear
>>339595086
What server
>>339594902
every class is good at max level, but some start out slower than others in terms of fun factor
for example pugilist gets a full combo at level 6, while some other classes like lancer or rogue don't get a full combo til level 26
in general though tanks and healers have faster queues for content since they are overall less popular than damage dealer roles, but overall there's no wrong choice. you can level anything you want on a single character
>>339595101
fucking smn sch blm shiters.
honestly if you play any of these classes you should be killed dead.
>>339594624
>i played arr from 1-50
>lol give me a free trial for the expansion too
>>339592971
>using "le", even ironically
Get the fuck out of here, redditfag.
daily reminder that ast is still the worst healer.
>>339595069
enemy types =/= model recycling
I will delete my account if a pulsework knight shows up in Final Fantasy XV, protipthey wont
everything else from the 2-D games is a reference because they didn't have 3-D models to port over.
>>339595135
Leviathan
>>339585603
Ignoring how slow that still is for a moment. What's with all the blinding particle effects?
>>339592950
6/22/2015, so not quit yet. Legion's confirmed for 8/30/2016, so it'll be 14 months between the two, same length as MoP->WoD. And to top it off WoD has had half the post-launch content of MoP. An absolute fucking disgrace.
>>339595210
>best single target
>best aoe
>best healer
jelly aetherless pleb spotted
>>339595253
It's not a trial, it's "Here play the game you just bought."
>>339585603
Embarrassing. Isn't that the only class that is that "fast"? Sorry, its just not fast enough to care about.
>>339595339
>blinding particle effects
>ninja
don't play any of the casters
>>339595409
>>best healer
pfft.
>>339585092
Yes. Don't even bother, have fun with actual video games.
>>339594902
>What's the world exploration like?
MMOish. Not pure open world but the areas are SO BIG and full of life you really won't care.
Another thing the game has on the overworld are random events called "fates" where you and other players have to defeat a boss or kill a lot of enemies before the time goes out. Also there are high level monsters for Hunting with a big group.
>>339584803
>Most of the trailer is on some linear ass quest bullshit
>have to advertise new gear like thats a feature and not exspected
that raid looks cool though. I just don't fucking get Final fantasy XIV I guess. What I played of it never engaged me.
>>339595339
That's what post 2006 games have.
>>339595793
>screenshot from 2014
Anon, I like this game but come on: in most zones you'll be lucky to run into two or three other players.
It already killed WoW a long time ago
People just don't want to admit it.
>>339596083
wow killed itself
>>339596083
WoW killed itself with Cataclysm
>>339595951
The villages even the little ones always have people on it.
That screenshot might be a party of hunting.
>>339596163
>>339596142
Good point actually
So WoW killed itself and FF14 finished it off and is now eating on it's corpse
Someone should draw this
>>339595951
I constantly walk into people in most area.
Active people that greed back when you greed them. God I love Odin
>>339596232
I agree, but the blizzard kiddies will probably report bomb us for not praising their gods and their mediocre games.
>>339584803
nah the new wow killer are the free wow private servers.
>>339584908
I liked it better than WoW's. If I make a mistake I have 2 seconds to think about and reflect on how fucked I am rather than spam something else to repair the rotation
>>339591873
when i was playing, their city locales and sanctioned player housing areas are so much better than anything else on the market. limsa laminsa is the most beautiful city in a mmo.
>>339593291
Keep telling that yourself
>>339595101
I'm tired of this misinformation. I main whm and if you're intelligent you will never run out of MP. If you do run out of mp either your group is garbage or you're spamming cure 2.
>>339596689
I should point out that the weeping city is a 24 man raid, not a "city".
>>339596689
>limsa laminsa is the most beautiful city in a mmo.
Best music too. Would eat seafood, drink, and sleep with miqote wench.
>>339595101
I want to be bullied by a WHM into using Ballad.
>>339593348
Easy to get into, hard to catch up
most people who are playing now have been playing since the start so good luck finishing the ARR storyline. And yes you have to finish every single story quest in the game before you can get to Heavensward content.
Quests themselves are generic like every mmo "kill 5 bugs" but they add some variety with guildhests and fates. Unfortunately most fates are not soloable despite what others will tell you. Sure you can attack one creature and kill it, but if a pack of them attack you in the fate you're as good as dead.
Don't really get into dungeons until late in the story and the quests come to a stop until you do complete that dungeon. Most players in the dungeons though are leveling another profession so usually it takes about an hour or so to finish, and since you're a new player the whole party gets bonus xp since you've never done that dungeon or guildhest before.
Where the game gets difficult imo is the instances. You have to defeat one boss with difficult mechanics and most of the time your party are too stupid to follow them, but you have to finish it or you can't progress and if you don't progress through the storyline you don't get to the latest content. Helps if you have friends playing with you, otherwise the experience will be a slow one.
Thankfully there's guides to just about everything in the game https://www.youtube.com/user/MTQcapture in that channel
>>339596958
it's really is true. Between those 2 cinematic, no matter how you can shit about wow, the legion cinematic is superior.
>>339596689
It's too bad all the meme lords hang out in limsa
I prefer Gridania's look myself.
>tfw you just want to play an archer without all this gay ass bard shit
>>339594348
>who hyped for sub numbers to drop?
>>339597938
WoW had yet to have a better cinematic than End of an Era.
>>339595409
>SMN 50-60 quests turn them into dragon wizards
>BLM 50-60 quests are about literally nothing
Yeah I'm jealous. Even their anima weapon is called the fucking draconomicon.
I'm too addicted to BLM explosions to switch over though.
>>339597732
is there a way to get a house there instead and change the GC?
I really regret picking gridania
>>339598460
You can change grand company once a month and you can buy a house anywhere you want anyway.
I'm already bored of 3.3, holy shit!
>>339597856
its not as bad as this guy is making it seem. One thing this mmo has done thats pretty astonishing is keeping older instances and content relevent and getting people in to do older stuff via roulettes. You won't be waiting long for anything to do with story unless you're a dps and even then maybe 15 mins tops. Also anything to do with story is ridiculously easy and harder content is pretty much separate entirely (Like extreme primals or the current raid tier).
>>339598694
>wait 15 minutes
>then wait another 45 for dps queue
>then another 5 for a dungeon server to free up so you can enter
>>339594348
I wish XIV was more like Final Fantasy than WoW, especially with the summons. I wanted to be able to summon Tonberry, have him cast Chef's Knife and fuck off. Like an actual Final Fantasy summon.
Ironically, Legion Warlocks are more like summoners now that they have demons that cast one spell and leave.
>>339595101
>whm
>spam dps spells all day long
>when I am oom I simply shug an aether and heal the piddly damage the tank has gotten and go back to dpsing
I recently learned there are healer who do not dump their entire mana into damage, instead standing around useless. Why?
>>339584803
And people say the FFXI and FFXIV aren't 'mainline' games when they had the best stories in years.
>>339598859
They should simply change Rouse and Spur to transform the egis into their proper summons, getting new skills while doing so for the duration.
>>339593348
This is literally made for casuals and people with jobs that cannot play like a NEET. Just follow the story, they shit exp and gear with each main mission so as long as you don't forget to equip that gear, you are set
>>339599054
That and it's better then Metzen's wank fest
>>339599056
That Ultima boss summoned primals to cast one spell.
>>339594624
Full price? Last time checked it was like 20 bucks
>it's a paladin who doesn't use cooldowns because he "doesn't need them" episode
I swear the job just attracts retards just like dragoon and bard, at least most retards who flocked to DRK gave up after a few levels and stopped embarrassing themselves.
>>339599545
every job attracts retards for different reasons
DRK, NIN and WAR are usually the worst
>>339599646
I can't remember the last time I had a NIN in my group. Everyone switched to MNK it seems.
>>339599646
DRG too, almost forgot
>>339598924
As a Tank my healer won't be just standing there with full MP. If I see them doing this I don't use mitigation skills and stand in a few AOEs, so that they they burn the mana by healing me, no one should slack at their job when I'm tanking, if they say something I respond back by saying, oh you look bored back there just standing
>>339599646
No way, pld, brd and whm are catboys magnets.
“I am a shadow… The true self…”
>>339593348
As some one who wasnt at all interested in FF series FFXIV manges to blow WoW out of the fucking water because I actually get to use buttons not have a million fucking passives
>>339599646
PLD attracts the actual white knights.
DRK attracts emo edgelords.
NIN attracts Narutards.
BRD attracts the turbo-casuals.
DRG attracts BRs and edgelords, though most of those moved on to DRK.
WAR attracts egotists and people who'd rather be playing DPS but play WAR for the shorter queue- expect them to be in DPS stance 24/7 and make your healer's life a living hell.
Did I miss any?
>>339600282
You forgot most casters
>>339600282
Figured PLD attracts people who wanted ez tanking or just a class that uses swords.
>we fixed mudra in 3.1
>fast for one good week
>now slow as ever
>no one is saying anything, pretending it's still fixed
>>339600425
A blind spot I suppose. I mostly play casters so the percentage of retards in my caster lineup is a bit lower.
>>339600483
It's mostly 14 year olds trying their damndest to get some virtual pussy by being a yes man to any female that acknowledges their existence.
>>339600282
BLM attracts autistic tryhards who stand in aoes because muh leylines and enochian
Haven't seen a SMN in ages
>>339600531
I finished leveling NIN to 60 about 2 weeks ago. Mudras are fine.
>>339600531
I haven't touched NIN in a bit but it was working great for me in 3.2
>>339600282
>>339600483
>>339600613
I've been playing blm for the last two years and I was thinking of breaking into tanking. Who ironic paladins here?
>>339600804
I got pld to 60 because fast queues are addicting, but endgame tanking is too stressful
>>339586393
Why doesn't my Final fantasy play like quake?
>>339600613
I haven't met any PLDs who did that, doesn't seem like a class-specific thing to me.
>>339600804
BLM main here. I don't know much about PLD other than the early levels are shit. You don't even get your tanking stance until 40. I went with DRK, aoe enmity management is piss-easy. Thought about trying PLD again sometime soon just for shits and giggles.
>>339600870
Oh, I just want to do roullettes and fill the tank gap when friends are on
>>339600613
>play a female character
>had multiple people who main plds try to give me flowers and shit
Pretty sad tbhfam
>>339599646
PLD players are by far the biggest shitters ive ever met. I almost always get PLD in DF and 9 times out of 10 they OT in sword oath spamming halone, and they run around lost as shit when they dont MT because apparently putting on sword oath and using royal authority wih goring blade every now and then is a lost concept to them.
>>339601041
then go for it
tanking levelling dungeons is piss easy
>>339593605
good. Controller rotations work surprisingly well
Is the pvp scene in this game picking up speed? I remember seeing a patch that encouraged pvp or something like that. I always wondered if it could get on its legs. I like the aesthetic of this game but enjoy pvp in my mmo's.
Also I'm aware of the 2.5s gcd and that sounds disgusting ion pvp ._.
>>339600870
Agreed.
I always end up criminally underestimating myself when I do harder and newer stuff due to my lack of gear.
But jesus fucking christ some of these tanks that play are braindead, I've lost count of how many times I've had to pick up the harder stuff when the raid geared tank ate shit and whiffed everything. Its fucking embarrassing how bad they tank at times.
I always get the jitters when I head into a new fight with fresh info on how to do it, gotta live up to that "fearless and perfect leader" role that all tanks are required to be nowadays.
>>339599646
>>339600613
>>339601240
As for all the class stereotypes, not all PLDs are rage of halone spammers or whiteknight "yes men".
Same for DRKs being edgelords with macro binds to all skills and WARs being assholes and only caring about DPS instead of survivability
Sadly, they are stereotypes because they happen frequently, just don't judge everyone before things get going.
BLM or SMN for general use?
I just want to have fun casting magic.
Man, I've been out of the loop a long time, people used to hate getting WAR and DRKs, and would be surprised if they ever saw the elusive and rare PLD tank. (I was all 3, since I actually love tanking)
Seems everyone hates PLD, and sees PLD all the time now.
>get a newbie ice mage in thousand maws
>Explain how astral fire and umbral ice work
>he says OK and awkwardly fumbles around with the order of spells for the rest of the dungeon
But at least he changed something right? I want to believe he figured it out after the duty was over.
>>339601592
Do you want to gitgud and try to play your best to get the best results? Go BLM.
Do you want decent results without too much effort? Go SMN.
>>339601656
The class/job hate gets passed around all the time.
>>339601668
The seeds were strewn at the very least.
You did a good thing.
>>339601575
PLDs and WAR fit that category a lot more than any other class. DRK earned the title of edgelord just because of the job itself, at least they as of right now are clean of actual stereotypes.
>>339601656
Who hated getting WAR or DRK in DF? People just hate PLD in DF because they do no damage and are generally clueless with cooldowns.
>>339601712
Honestly, the rest of what was said has generally been true for me, since the beginning.
(Except BRDs, as they started off as ARC, and were typical wow huntards, until they were given cast times, to get them to behave.)
>tfw people thought this map was a joke image when it was unearthed three months ago in the game files
>leveled pld to 60 in full str in sword oath.
Fuck bad healers.
>>339601847
Is this FFXIII?
>>339601240
they also a lot of times act like "star tanks" and everything rounds around them.
typical ex roulette scenario with PLD with nothing but weekly tomes items
>pld loses aggro to mnk on random monster
>starts yelling at him to not overagro
>ranged guy accidentally pulling ahead
>healer dpsing
>pld goes all crazy about how everyone is shit and will wait in queues for ages for tank
any dps can tank this shit dungeons without problems even if he leaves or gets kicked
>>339601941
I'm more surprised if you actually manage to hold aggro
>>339601831
When HW came out, all DRKs and WARs didnt use their tank stances, and wouldnt use CDs, as they were in all STR, trying to max their leet deeps.
PLDs were known to be the only tanks who actually used CDs, and in worst case scenarios, at least had tank stances on, and could hold hate (despite how much harder it was for them at HW release)
When I leveled up DRK, I had many ppl groan at having another DRK, but then they would all start a conversation, mid battle, to praise me for actually using my tank stance on big trash pulls. (Had a few try to tell me not to use it, on bosses, when im undergeared, but then they saw the error in asking that when I complied.)
Same with PLD, the moment i zoned in, everyone said "Oh thank god, its a PLD, and not a GD DRK, or WAR!"
It literally was 99% of all groups as I dungeoned my way up.
>>339601847
>Void Ark 2
>a supposedly huge area
>really just a bunch of disconnected arenas with warp points "connecting" them
They can't keep getting away with this
>>339601998
No. XIII didn't use circular platforms connected by lanes as frequently.
I'm gonna pick up AST.
With the EXP ring and 100% armoury bonus how long is it going to take to get Swiftcast and Stoneskin?
>>339602125
>PLDs were known to be the only tanks who actually used CDs
Hell no they weren't
>>339584803
>Legion looks like shit compared to Heavensward
Well HW is already out and so far it's been a trainwreck
>>339602121
>I'm more surprised if you actually manage to hold aggro
not him, but it's quite hard to not hold aggro, because most of playerbase so shit, that you can burst some aggro on the start, change to dps stance (or just drop grit if you're drk) and noone will ever come close at aggro even if you just spam full dps combo, except that healer that spams medica 2
>>339602127
It'll be pretty boring unfortunately.
>>339602125
>pld
>hold hate
>>339601592
BLM starts being fun when you get your proc abilities and fire/blizz III. As of 50 your main job in dungeons is to flare everything into oblivion. Your greatest joy will be to see tanks gather up as huge a pull as they can for you to explode into nothingness. This changes the instant you hit 60 when the SMN steals your job and does it weird, they only have one explosion they can use every once in a while and the rest dies to dots. Your new job is to explode a single target over and over again, micro-manage several several timers, and never move. You get huge DEEPS and get to feel like the greatest wizard if you can do your new job well. There's also nothing quite as wonderful as two or more good BLMs having their rotations sync up.
Not sure about SMN. I could never really get into it. 50-60 is different and your class quest ends up being pretty neat. In the end it's a question of whether you want to explode everything all the time or become a dragon-wizard. Maybe I'll look at SMN again when it gets egi-glamours.
>>339601847
Is that a case of PS3 limitations that they can't make one big area?
>>339602251
If you got someone to boost you through the hunting logs and have a decent amount of people still doing low level fates you can have it done in maybe 2 hours or less, I went from 19 up to halfway through 21 in just 1 low level roulette as well.
>>339602340
My memory of DRK might be bad atm, but doesnt dropping grit take a GCD? or is it just putting it up?
(If it takes a GCD, it will do less dmg taking it off, and or slow the over all run down, if not done between fights.)
PLD generates a lot more threat currently, but it goes back and forth from generating too much, to generating too little.
It always seems like the patch I'm on, is the patch their threat is nerfed, as I'll read everyoen saying threat is drastically lower than the prior patches, and then after I quit, I'll read people asking if threat was raised, because it got easier.
Granted it might just be their opinions, as I dont keep up on patch notes myself, to double check.
>>339601575
>gotta live up to that "fearless and perfect leader" role that all tanks are required to be nowadays
They're just required to not spit out their dummy when shit doesn't go to plan.
>>339601847
W-well maybe the bosses will have some interesting mechanics
>>339601668
It's a start, and you caught him early. I've had to teach BLMs from 30+, often 50+. You did good.
>>339602606
No, it's just designed it around time/budget expectations. Easier to make a dungeon like that which reuses a lot of the model assets you create for it.
It's also why a good chunk of Antitower was just 2d textured planes floating in space. Speeds up dev time despite it being BORING AS FUCK for the viewer.
>>339601575
>fearless and perfect leader
>mfw I am just that as healer
A stern hand and the ability to type quickly is all that is needed to bring most groups up to snuff.
>>339602014
>"star tanks"
Oh god don't remind me
That staple is so fucking annoying to deal with as a tank because I'm humble as fuck, try my darnedest to be helpful and keep moral high at the low points. Even moreso when you're stuck with one as a partner.
>He tanks like shit
>Gets called out
>"You can't kick me! You'll have to wait hours for a replacement!"
Its like dealing with fucking spoiled brats that didn't get any discipline growing up.
>>339601656
The only tanks I hate are idiot DRKs.
An idiot on the other 2 jobs is much more manageable and easy to work around (as a healer) than the retard DRK.
>>339602714
>New experts end up being easier than the previous two experts which were the easiest the game has ever seen
>Pulls now limited to two enemies max
> Any time a tank tries to pull more the extra adds just hang back and wait to jump in when you kill another mob
>Still have to kill everything to open the gated passageway
>Enemies do so little damage a tank could solo the zone using healing CDs
>Still takes 20min for scrubs because of terrible rotations and HP bloat
>>339602714
>interesting mechanics
Only interesting thing in the current antitower roulette is whether the healer will fucking esuna the stun on the first boss or not.
>>339602575
I've already gotten BLM to 54 and SMN to 52. I'm just not sure how I feel about how tight the rotation is compared to other jobs. I tend to like the ability to move around so I guess SMN is kind of the answer.
>>339602919
>dispell the stun with impeccable timing
>DRK still stands in the AoE
>"Free mana regen, lolz!"
>die inside
>>339602827
I'm going to marry Y'shtola!
>>339602641
Thanks. 2 hours sounds pretty quick for getting Conjurer to 34 though.
Nonetheless I'll ask someone in the novice network to merc me the hunt log kills then.
>>339602827
As a tank, I'm not fearless. Not from game mechanics/enemies, but from other players, and their constant complaints.
As a healer, I'm like "LEEERRRROOOOOOY!"
And dont care what peopel say, and it's so weird why I'm a completely different person.
Too bad I find healing boring in most MMOs, and have only found 2 healers I actually find fun.
(DNC in FFXI, and MNK healers in WoW)
>>339587443
>>339590403
this is why i dont play the game, it only took 10 posts
this game is a degenerate playground for furfags and waifufags
>>339603059
Go away Alphinaud you're still useless
>>339602575
>Your new job is to explode a single target over and over again, micro-manage several several timers
Enochian, the circle thing, and the archer buff?
>>339595376
why does blizzard think it's acceptable to make it's players wait one year for anything, and better yet why do the people who play keep on putting up with it
>>339602908
>Pulls now limited to two enemies max
Preventing speed runs is honestly the worst change. Still remember how much fun it was doing wanderer's palace normal in 3 big pulls.
>>339602827
Hats off to you friend, I love it when other classes take the leadership initiative for once.
I don't really mind doing it, but its nice letting someone else do it for once.
>"A stern hand and the ability to type quickly is all that is needed to bring most groups up to snuff."
Reminds me of when I did early CT and accidental pulls happened all the time on behemoth king.
Had to tank and explain everything mid-fight, and we actually beat it.
Did that fucking place 57 times in a row for 3 days just to get my hands on the warrior of light chest piece. So the strats were down to a T for me.
Heavensward was great but the patches that followed were absolute garbage.
Just kill me already senpai.
>>339585191
literally who?
>>339603069
I doubt you'd get to 34 in 2 hours, getting blm to 26 might be doable in 2.
>>339603214
Casuals whine they can't keep up with the basic-level of competency needed to speedrun.
You always felt like a fucking boss if you ended up with a tank and healer that could managed the three mob-pack pull in WPHM when the average group would struggle with two just due to how long the pull was, and rouding up everything at the end.
>>339600282
MNK attracts OPM and Hokuto no Ken memesters.
>>339595339
that shit is all over the combat, gets downright blinding at times. GCD sucks but it doesn't feel too bad in game. The game as a whole is just boring as fuck though, so little content, real content patches now come once every half year.
>>339602014
>tanks crying about not being able to hold aggro
I'm not going to gimp myself because you can't do your job.
Then again, I'm the kind of BLM who doesn't use quelling strikes.
>doing fractal
>tank already loses aggro to my openers during bosses
>just pop mana wall, take tanking position and continue until tank recovers aggro or I die
>next boss coming up
>cheeky fucking AST drops a balance card on me and time dilates
>mfw I use raging strikes and ley lines on top of it
Good times. I felt a little sorry for the tank. They like being pressured anyway, right?
>>339602997
Yeah, if you like to move do not go BLM. BLM do not move, and their rotations are not very forgiving.
>it's a jam boy thinks he's the leader episode
>>339602875
Personally, having purposefully trying to do the least amount of work, the tank that can do the most, with the least effort in leveling content (not endgame) is DRK.
Put on grit, and spam unleash (or even flash)
You hold more hate than all 3 tanks, w/o needing to look at the screen (this was in all VIT gear, back when it didnt help with your dmg.) and you get your tank stance sooner than a PLD.
Every time I got whiney people in Duty Finder, I'd swap to pure VIT gear (If I was under geared, then I had VIT on to begin with), and purposely just spam until the dungeon is over. (usually using flash, just to make it take longer, and annoy them more)
Though DRK does lack CDs for a long tiem, and instead has to actively react to procs from parry, and lower enemy dmg, and stun the mob that will be 1st to die.
But it's not needed, it just helps healers DPS, rather than just only using heals.
>>339594693
i've seen sprouts up to level 56
>finally finish ARR's post-2.0 MSQ's
>gosh that was a fun ride at the end
>kick off the first heavensward MSQ
>mfw alphinaud's new va
fuck
Sam Riegel why
>>339593348
Don't worry about playing catch-up that's a recipe for getting burnt out and quitting before you even get to what you want to do, just take the game at your own pace.
>>339603224
>Heavensward was great
It really wasn't. The story was an improvement over 2.0's but that's it. At least it was better than 3.1
>>339594624
hardly any mmo expansion comes with a free month
>>339594770
can you link the original?
>>339594693
to lose your bud you need 168 hours of playtime and to complete 2.55
>>339603382
If I like to move and murder things what's the best for me?
I have MCH at 60 and I played it a lot but honestly I couldn't get the opener down and it discouraged me as I like to perform very well.
I cleared all of the 2.x raids on DRG/MNK so I'd prefer to avoid melee again.
>>339603516
lvl 55 warrior sprout here
when does this thing even go away?
>>339602125
>PLD
>good at holding aggro
>stories about people praising tanks
>>339603646
bard pre wanderers minuet
>>339602125
You sure most of that wasnt in your head? no one liked or likes having a PLD in a party let alone two of them.
WAR was pretty overhyped in 3.0-3.1 because you knew it was going to be a fast run and there wouldnt be issues with hate. DRK was shit in 3.0 until it was buffed and in 3.1 they got their act together, now they are doing alright.
PLD hasnt changed since 2.x. They spam nothing but halone in shield oath, dont even attempt to DPS and dont use CDs because "I dont need them right now"
>>339594902
everything is pretty ok to play as,i will say every class has skills they can use from other classes so it's pretty mandatory to level up multiple classes for certain things
Mika Mirkas, I know you're in this thread you memeing faggot. Are you still shitting up Adamantoise?
>>339603172
Enochian, ley lines, astral/umbral, all your CDs, your procs. Mostly you cannot allow enochian to fall off before it goes off CD, because fire does shit damage compared to fire IV, and you can lose enochian either to the buff running out, or accidentally dropping astral/umbral since fire/blizz IV don't refresh it. This is why BLMs hate moving, literally anything that isn't part of their rotation puts enochian at risk.
>>339603713
I mean at 60 endgame content though. I've got BRD at 52 and realized that I'd rather just play MCH even if I'm poor at it than stick with that crap.
>>339603646
MCH is actually pretty mobile if you manage your ammo well. But if you struggle with the opener it can be pretty frustrating.
>>339603382
>Then again, I'm the kind of BLM who doesn't use quelling strikes.
You should on bosses at the least because a competent BLM is going to rip hate off any tank due to their insane opener burst.
>>339594770
Makes sense that Allafag technology looks like 13's.
>>339603813
no such thing at 60. brd/mch are casters and can't move
as a bard turned warrior, i look forward to them removing WM and just giving a flat dps increase to bard
>>339603608
That is the original. Pulsework Soldier from FFXIII
They got renamed to Clockwork Soldier in FFXIV. FFXIV has ripped models from FFXI, XII and XIII
>>339603682
It used to be 40 hours, but now it's something like 400?
>>339603838
Is there an easy way to break down the opener?
>>339603926
Once I got into the rotation with MCH I felt like it was mobile enough to sate me, I just struggle with the opener so hard.
>>339603926
>60 mch
>only spell you have to 'cast' is your first shot
>all other shots are instant with ammo or proccs
>if you have neither good MCH will simply take off their Gauss Barrel for a moment
Honestly, when it comes to ranges classes MCH has most mobility, hands down.
>>339603808
maybe if BLMs stopped using swiftcast in their rotatation instead of saving it when they need to refresh enochian / fire / blizz it wouldn't be a problem
>>339584803
Oh my fucking god, my sides left the orbit.
Cutscenes will not make the game infinitely better, fix all the fucking flaws such as its laughable tick rate, or make me go back.I stopped playing because combat is extremely awful, started playing monopoly to craft/gather and RMT. I no longer RMT.
>>339603382
>They like being pressured anyway, right?
I cant speak for everyone, but as long as they aren't doing anything "underhanded" to "win at deeps".
If your rotation/skill actually pulls threat from me, no big deal, unless I'm required to not exhaust my resources for an endgame boss phase.
But if its like WoW huntards, who sprint ahead of the group, when there's 2 mobs left, just so their AoE can hit 3+ mobs, and then claim they had the highest DPS, then I'll get pissed. (Which is pretty much every single dungeon in WoW, and roughly 50% of runs when ARCs havnt unlocked BRD yet, they just want to be 1st to start hitting enemies, so they can brag about their 2% higher dps from the rest fo the group...)
>>339603942
A good 50% of XIV's enemy models are ripped from XI. It's rather sad since some of them blatantly stand out without any touched-up textures (they generate a quick and dirty specular map for some and that's it)..
>>339595339
Eyecandy bait
>>339602575
Can't wait for Ala Nhiggo and the super ability bloat it will bring.
>>339604074
This is what I do. I usually as a last ditch effort to swiftcast Blizzard IV if I have to move too much
>>339595951
I'm a relatively new player on Shiva and I never had the feeling the servers were anything near dead.
Constantly run into people to the point where it's sometimes annoying even.
>>339603682
I've seen it on level 60s in Antitower. They recently made it stay longer because the devs thought 40 hours wasn't long enough as a new player. They're right, really.
I'm not sure how long it lasts now, though.
>>339603696
I even said they had it worse, or do you not even into reading m8?
>>339603493
It's a good job populated by an immense amount of shitters.
I was not commenting on the road to 60 and the shit they go through.
When I have to sit there and cure spam to keep them alive, something is wrong. This happens a lot, through tank stance no less.
A shitty WAR and a shitty PLD can still be kept alive with nothing more than Tetra/Regen and the occassional Cure II if Tetra isn't back up.
Compared to shitty DRKs where I'm actually forced to Benediction the cunts, with no sign of Living Dead, if I want to dps or sit there and spam heals because for some fucking reason they manage to take like 400% damage from everything.
I know good DRKs, they can be fucking incredible. When it comes to the idiots, if they're on DRK it's just depressing from start to finish.
>>339604172
Did you notice that the mammets in Antitower use the Tarutaru frame?
>>339592046
But not as dead as FFXIV. I remember seeing queues on my server 6+ months ago. Now I'm lucky if I see more than 2 parties in party finder
>>339603598
>The story was a lot better than 2.0 aka Return to the Waking Sands Simulator.
>Better new characters and improvements to old ones (Fuck you Scions).
>Maps are bigger and fun to explore as a result.
>I liked a few dungeons.
>Some 50-60 skills and changes to old skills are questionable and make me sad (rip flare and holy).
>Crafters/Gatherers get fucked in the ass.
I liked 2.0+its patches more in gameplay and content, I'll admit. I just think 3.0 is solid too.
Fuck everything past 3.0 though
>>339594348
I played WoW for years and FFXIV is the least Final Fantasy game I have ever playedImplying anyone gives a shit other than those in damage control, sperging "wowfugee boogeyman"
>FFXV will never have half the personality that FFXIV does
>>339594348
>Who hype for their absence?
So hype because game will finally have less than 100k subs?
